The State of Minnesota's Canvassing Board has finished adjudicating challenges brought to the Board by Al Franken. They will begin evaluating challenges brought by Norm Coleman's campaign tomorrow.
The Star Tribune has logged 391 challenges made by the Franken campaign. Among these, 225 ballots were counted for Norm Coleman (57%), 56 for Al Franken (14%), and 110 (28%) either for a third-party candidate or for nobody. (The Star Tribune did also identified dozen or so challenges apparently made by the Coleman campaign that had somehow found their way into Franken's pile; these challenges are not included in the totals above).
There seems to be something of a consensus that these results represent good news for Al Franken, as a fairly high number of his challenges were successful. For a variety of reasons, I am less than certain about this, and think that we haven't yet learned very much about the ultimate outcome of the recount.
For one thing, the information provided by the Star Tribune is incomplete. We now know something about how the challenges ended up, but we don't know anything about how they began. That is, we don't know what the initial ruling on the ballot was at the county level, nor the reason for the challenge.
To tackle this question, I evaluated 155 challenges brought to the Board by the Franken campaign, as available on the Star Tribune's website. (Why 155? Because this is about all I could handle before becoming deathly bored). We can classify these challenges into four groups:
I. 87 ballots (56%) appear to initially have been counted for Norm Coleman, and the Canvassing Board upheld that ruling upon review. These represent unsuccessful challenges.
II. 18 ballots (12%) were initially counted for Coleman, but were ruled as nonvotes by the Canvassing Board. These represent successful challenges.
III. 31 ballots (20%) were initially counted as nonvotes (or for third-party candidates), but were deemed to be Franken ballots by the Board. These also represent successful challenges.
IV. Lastly, 19 ballots (12%) were initially counted as nonvotes (or for third-party candidates), and the Canvassing Board also deemed them nonvotes upon its review. These represent unsuccessful challenges.
In total, about three in ten Franken challenges -- everything in Groups II and III -- appear to have been successful. This is a reasonably high success rate. However, we should have expected the Franken campaign's success rate to be reasonably high, because it withdrew the vast majority of his challenges. Taken as a percentage of the 3000 or so ballots that the Franken campaign challenged initially, its success rate is more like 4 percent.
A couple of other salient points from these statistics. Firstly, quite a decent fraction of the challenges did not concern potential Coleman votes that the Franken campaign was trying to get thrown out. Instead, approximately one-third concerned potential Franken votes that the campaign was trying to get included.
This distinction is important because, when the Franken campaign challenged a legal Coleman ballot, this resulted in a temporary deduction from Coleman's total in the Secretary of State's running count (essentially, such ballots were treated as guilty until proven innocent). By contrast, when Franken challenged a nonvote that he wanted to have counted for himself, this produced no immediate adjustment to the state's totals. Long story short, the greater percentage of challenges that were made to nonvotes rather than to Coleman votes, the better off Franken is relative to the state's accounting.
In addition, the different types of challenges were associated with vastly different success rates. From among the 105 Coleman ballots that the Franken campaign challenged, 18 challenges were accepted, or 17%. By contrast, from among the 50 nonvotes that Franken challenged, more than half (31 or 62%, to be precise) were counted for him by the Canvassing Board.
Even these numbers, however, are hard to place into context, because we don't know anything about the nature of the thousands of challenges that Franken withdrew. The state does not appear to have added the withdrawn challenges back into its totals; in fact, it does not appear to have done anything with them. We don't know, among other things, how many of these withdrawn challenges were made to Coleman votes (in which case, Coleman will now get credit for them) as opposed to nonvotes (in which case, they're basically irrelevant). The Coleman campaign has also withdrawn the majority of its challenges, although fewer than the Franken campaign has (in fact, yesterday Coleman unwithdrew about 200 of his challenges).
With these withdrawn challenges existing in a state of limbo, we have very little idea about where we stand. We might know now something about many votes a candidate has gained during the challenge process, but we don't really have a good idea of where he stood before the challenge phase began.
We also know nothing so far about the nature of the Coleman challenges. Since Coleman withdraw fewer of his challenges, does this mean that the challenges he retained are less likely to be successful? That seems highly probable -- but, we can't be certain. Also, will Coleman's challenges have a different typology from Franken's? For instance, will a significant fraction of them concern nonvotes, as opposed to Franken votes the campaign is trying to have excluded? We simply don't know.
I do consider Franken the favorite in the recount, but that is because it appears that erroneously rejected absentee ballots will be considered by many counties; these ballots could easily tip a net of 100 or so votes to Franken. Without those absentee ballots, the recount still appears to me to be too close to call. Until we learn more about (i) Coleman's challenges and (ii) the withdrawn challenges, I would be suspicious of overly-specific claims about the status of the recount that you might see elsewhere.
12.17.2008
Hold Your Horses, Minnesota
by Nate Silver @ 10:20 PM
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why did the right side of the page get all blurry all of a sudden... from super tracker down to senate scorecard it's blurry...
then sharp by poll detail
First class analysis as usual. Most reporting on this as well as public opinions and ideas are rather poorly informed. The fact that we know nothing about the withdrawn challenges and how they affect the totals means specific predictions are fairly meaningless. Watching the canvassing board is like watching a basketball game in the fourth quarter when the scoring in the third quarter is not included on the scoreboard. I am happy when my team scores, but I really have no idea if we are winning or losing.
I watched much of the canvassing board procedings this afternoon (via Web TV).
The Coleman campaign has decided to try to make things as difficult and murky as possible. Based on the uneven and decentralized way the county boards handled the election and the recount, that's not going to be hard.
The Republican Supreme Court Justices who are on the Board are only to happy and helpful in this endeavor. It's congenial there but obvious what's going on. Franken is getting fucked.
Coleman's strategy is to tie this up in the courts for as long as possible. Guess who gets to be the Senator from Minnesota in the meantime?
It's not Al Franken.
QUESTION
Franken initially challenged 3,000 or so ballots. He dropped all but 300 or so challenges. Do we know what the net impact of the 2,700 abandoned challenges is? I assume it is not just 2,700 to Coleman because I assume some of those challenges were attempts to get overvotes or undervotes counted as Franken votes. Any stats?
Let me add for clarity. Many of the challenegd votes came to the Canvassing Board with only the original ballot, not also the "copy" that the parties agreed would be the actual ballot to be "counted." The "copy" is annotated with the basis for the challenge.
Two days into the proceedings, with it becoming obvious Franken was gaining, the Coleman lawyers contended (for the first time) that original ballots were not to be counted, only the copies. In many cases the copies were lost or are floating around somewhere without their originals attached.
This mess was created by clerk negligence. The Coleman campaign says this means that many votes may be counted more than once. The Republican Chief Justice, a recent Pawlenty appointee, pretended to be concerned and not yet sure what he was going to do, using typical judicial-speak, but it's clear that he and the other Republican Justice are not going to count those votes and are going to call the integrity of the entire recount into question.
It's a mess. And Coleman and his lawyers are thriving in the confusion. It's possible no clear recount will ever be possible. Whom does that benefit? The guy in the Senate, who is also by the way under investigation now for accepting bribes through his wife.
It's not a pretty picture and the guy who's about to get screwed in Franken.
Ugly. Ugly.
So, Nate, good analysis but I'm afraid it may not be relevant to what's really going on.
I stopped by the recount today and enjoyed it quite a bit. There's a lot of peer pressure in the voting process.
SOS Neil Ritchie asserts the most dubious interpretation of any given ballot first and makes a motion in support of that assertion. While I was there nobody voted in support of the first motion. Then SOS Ritchie would move a more reasonable interpretation which was always accepted -- unanimously.
In essence, the board is not presented with the reasonable and allowed to argue against it. It's presented with the dubious and given the opportunity to support the dubious (which of course thy don't); then it's too late to argue. Very effective.
Also -- the room only had about 35 spectators while I was there. And it looked like 15 or so were blogging on their laptops. Beautiful!
Nate, since we don't know what what happened with all the retracted challenges, any margin numbers posted are meaningless.
We do have one baseline, however. The Franken campaign has claimed that if all challenges were rejected then Franken would be up four votes. It is probably close to true. Let’s say that if all challenges were rejected then it would be a tossup.
This makes the challenge process like cricket. One team bats first and puts up a number. Then the other team gets to bat all its players and put up a number in an effort to beat the first team’s number.
Franken's score includes the 56 votes that the board awarded him, plus some percentage of the 110 votes awarded to others. Some of those included now in the “others” were initially for Coleman. These are successful Franken challenges that have not been recorded as such as they count just as much in the margin between the candidates. This is your Type two. Your analyses suggest that Franken won about half of these, though unfortunately no one calculated all these separately. Let’s call it an additional 50 or so votes to Franken’s margin. Franken has 28 challenges remaining, and let’s say he gets another six or seven out of that.
And so Coleman in his turn at bat needs to win about 112 or so challenges to catch Franken. Again these would mainly be converting "other" votes to Coleman, and Franken votes to "other." Coleman gets to bat (for far longer since he has decided to have more challenges), but and will have to win more than 100 of his challenges to win the game. If he is successful at the same rate as Franken, Coleman will win easily. Coleman will have more chances to get to his 100 or so, but he is going to bat a very low percentage if other analyses of challenged ballots are to be believed, probably probably at a less than 10 percent rate. And I think the Coleman people may know this as the Coleman reps were up in arms about over duplicate ballots at the end of today’s session.
You right that we don't know the nature of Coleman's challenges and any analyses with Franken up by triple digits have to be off. But Franken being up about 100 going into Coleman's challenges is not much of a lead, but probably it is insurmountable.
Hi - I posted this in the old Minnesota thread but would like some feedback. I think this is another reason to 'Hold the Horses'.
I'm hoping that Franken's high challenge success rate is good news for him, but I'm not 100% sure it really is. Most challenges are not stand-alone cases, they fall into a category. For example, I've seen several single ovals filled in with an X in them. Those were deemed to be votes by the local judges but they are now deemed to be undervotes by the CB. This appears to be good news for Franken, but only because his challenges are the ones being evaluated first. The only way this is good news for him in the long run is if Coleman has challenged fewer single ovals with Xs through them than Franken has. It also appears that there are a significant number of ID mark ballots that the CB is rejecting that the local judges didn't. Again, Franken's increased success at this point doesn't necessarily bode well for him in the long run. It just depends on how many of each type of challenge each camp has. I think I'd be happier if the judges had rejected everyone of the Franken's challenges, at least then we would know that we were on track for Franken plus 4, now, I think all bets are off... but I hope I'm wrong.
this spreadsheet on the secretary of state website has the list of 1017 challenges that coleman is making and the initial ruling of the recount official--which is a proxy for type of challenge...as you can see roughl 900 of these challenges were votes that were called for franken. clearly coleman is trying to keep franken votes out, rather than bring votes in.
here is sec of state link:
http://www.sos.state.mn.us/docs/colemanchallengelist1217.xls
Nate, were you on TheUptake.org earlier today? There was someone claiming to be you, but I wasn't sure if it was the real deal.
I watched the board for an hour and a half or so. That ending, with the Coleman lawyer having reneged on the agreement to make the "actual ballots" the real standard, was very discouraging. I agree he was basically trying to muddy everything up, and it essentialy ground the CB to a halt til tomorrow.
What will happen then is anybody's guess.
STepper's comment above is incorrect. The debate about the copies vs. originals related to ballots that had to be duplicated because they were not readable for some reason by the machine. When a ballot is unreadable the local election judge is required to make a true duplicate and to feed the duplicate through the machine. Both the original and the duplicate are supposed to be marked and numbered. During the recount both campaigns agreed to use the original ballots and not the duplicate ballots. However, several hundred times it was not possible to match the originals to the duplicates. There is some concern then that BOTH the original and the duplicate will be counted. Both campaigns challenged (when and where allowed) ballots that were marked "original" or "duplicate" and were not paired properly. There were incident reports filed and all of this is going to be adjudicated, however, the canvassing board cannot do that adjudication even though most of them are judges. So nobody really knew how to proceed with ballots in that condition. "Count all the originals" would have been a solution, but Coleman was essentially arguing that there was no way to know if some of the duplicates were not also counted unless the incident reports were reviewed. Since the incident reports are not reviewable by the canvassing board it caused them to have to "sleep on it". It may or may not be a legit issue raised by Coleman's team, but it is certainly more legit than has been presented in other comments.
"The Franken campaign has claimed that if all challenges were rejected then Franken would be up four votes. It is probably close to true."
Why should we assume that anything a campaign spokesperson says is true? In fact, we should assume the opposite. Refusing to say anything that could possibly hurt their candidate is a part of their job description. So if their own honest tally showed that Coleman was winning they would certainly manipulate the results until they got a result more in their favour.
After all, we have no idea what they did to get their numbers. So why should we take them at their word?
I'm just thrilled to have a careful analysis available. Even if it has to make some assumptions since there's so much about this process that's opaque. It's better than any newspaper reports out there, that's for sure.
Good job, Nate.
Questions. Just how political is the Minnesota Supreme Court? Are there clear political divides between the seven justices? If it is is as far right as the U.S. Supremes then Franken is Screwed.
hold your horses MN? oh well at least its a colorful heading.
thanks UWBHS i think that's good news for franken. after watching the CB today i think they are bending over backwards to count anything-over or undervote be damned!
i am learning to really loathe those coleman lawyers in the meantime.
The CB ought to just say we are going ahead as per the agreement about dupes. if the coleman camp doesnt like it let them take it to court. which is where this is all headed anyway.
Ok, this one is for Xtreme nerds. Here's a calculation based on the assumption that the challenge numbers are irrelevant, since both sides saturated all questionable ballots with challenges, and then added more challenges at their own discretion. What counts is ONLY (other than accidents) the difference between the leniency of the Board and the initial counters, together with the differential density of F and C votes in the gray area.
If we say that the ratio of the density of 'gray' F votes to gray 'C' votes is r, and the number of C votes tossed due to F challenges was M (about 36) and F votes added due to challenges is N (56, apparently) the extrapolated change of of the margin from the initial margin (said to be +4 for F) is
N-Mr-(N/r)+M. This function has zeros at r= 1 (same density of gray votes for each) and at r = N/M. In between it is very slightly positive. It happens that the range 1 < r < 1.5 corresponds well to our prior knowledge about r. The implication is that on the basis of today's results, you'd guess that F might pick up a net 2 or so net, with error bars of 15 or so from pure statistical effects.
So if this process were the only one (no absentees, no SC weirdness...) and if F got that +4 right, extrapolation gives F about +6, +/- 15.
Pure nerd exercise, but it confirms Nate's analysis.
I want to make one comment on what STepper said as well. The ballots that the Canvassing Board are reviewing are in fact the original ballots WITH a sticker on them. That sticker has the reason for the challenge. Those stickers were applied at the recount sites after the challenges were explained by the challengers.
To modify my accounting in the other thread for Nate's figures---and also UWBHS concrete report that Coleman includes about 117 non-vote challenges.
IF we assume Coleman hasn't discarded any non-vote challenges, Franken therefore originally had 117+101 = 218 such challenges, say +/- about 10 for 3rd-party (e.g. Lisa Fobbes) and other factors. This is based on Elias' reporting, which to answer shma here, is trustworthy because it is objectively verifiable---a historian who tabulates all 6,655 original challenges and has the initial rulings will be able to check it.
Extrapolating Nate's sample (dangerous to do when you're under 500), (19+31)*(394/155) = 127 of the challenges were non-vote challenges, and 263 were vote challenges---at least the latter is close to my "264". But if Franken kept up his 62% success rate on the 127 from the portion-of-50 that Nate observed, he'd have shown 78 new votes, which he didn't. Thus the extrapolation seems to be actually proven wrong: maybe Nate got 1-2 sigmas more Franken success in his sample.
So I'll adjust my original figures, remembering to subtract out the 20 Coleman challenges from the STrib's table:
From Franken's 391 resolved challenges:
225 Coleman, 56 Franken (incl. 2 "flips"), 110 Other
If 33 vote-challenges succeeded, then 31 went to "Other", 2 to Franken, so Franken netted 54/(54+79) = 40.6% from his 133 non-vote challenges. But including the 85 we deduce he discarded, it's 54/218 = 24.8 call it 25% of his non-vote challenges.
Ugh, this is small-digits blather. I've no more reason to figure this than to suggest Coleman's 117 is a similar % of his original undervote challenges, which makes things shoot past my original guesstimates. But to press on:
() Since the above accounting gives 54 + 35 = 89 net "challenge wins" to Franken, Coleman's "target" is 93 challenge wins.
() From 117 non-vote challenges, Coleman may expect +29.
() From his first 263 vote challenges, he can expect to match Franken's +35 (including 2 flips),
() So he needs another 29 from 1,017 - 117 - 263 = 900 - 263 = 637 "excess" vote-challenges left active.
And 29/637 = 4.6%, almost exactly the 4.4% rate I got from my original figures. Whew!
Doing a line integral, I see him getting 18 of those, so falling 11 short of Franken. With a breakdown of +32 from the +29 plus 2 "flips" + and 1 extra "flip" that TheUptake will show, and 50 Franken knockouts joining his 88 unsuccessful undervote challenges in a pile of 138 "Other".
Of course, this whole projection is probably a pile of "other"...
WV "munco": rhymes with "bunco".
@SHMA
The AP Reviewed the ballots and came up with a Franken plus 8 estimate which is very close to the +4 estimate given by the Franken Campaign.
Well hey, mbw, I got a projection of Franken +11 with +/- 20. Wanna fight about it? :-) :-)
While the SOS doesn't post any data concerning the nature of the withdrawn challenges, it needs to be pointed out that the Star Tribune made >6000 challenges available for review and several dedicated souls made their way through them all. Results from individual reviews of the contested ballots suggested Franken winning by about 100 votes (gaining >300 votes from the challenges). So there is some good data to suggest that Franken will fare well when all of the contested ballots (those still being contested, those that were determined, and those that were withdrawn) are put back into the mix.
The reason that we don't know about the withdrawn challenges is because they have not yet been "finally" withdrawn only tentatively withdrawn. Thus, they have not yet been officially adjudicated.
However, it is possible (but very tedious) to figure out what is going on with those ballots. All of the transmissions from the camapaigns are on the SoS website.
As to the procedure, every ballot that I heard for the past two days, the procedure was the same. For all of them the SoS starts with a motion to reject the challenge. If that motion failed, then he went to a motion to accept the challenge. By using the exact same procedure for each ballot, he is doing his best to avoid an appearance of acting as a partisan.
The two saving graces of my way of laying out the figures are:
() they're independent of whether Coleman removes more of his challenges, like Franken did today---indeed, that's the point I started with in the other thread, and
() it gives you something concrete to watch if you view TheUptake's running tally, which is broken into +Coleman +Franken +Other, but doesn't say how many "Other" resulted from granted-vs-denied challenges. So long as the +Coleman stays < 35 and the +Other stays < 145, or near that, Franken is doing OK.
And, nice to see the AP is exactly midway between me and MBW ;->!
WV "stionci": detailed election forecasting is an exact stionci.
@John Curry
Actually, Ritchie is being very consistent: he always first moves to accept the original judgement of the election judge who was doing the recount.
If this isn't obviously the consensus (and it's immediately clear if it's not), the board members then discuss, vote the original motion up or down, and then (perhaps) vote on a different disposition.
Looks great for Franken! The StarTrib Ballot Challenge (the public voting on all 6700+ original challenges) has F winning the election by 275. F has won 14.3% of his challenges, a high number. 57.5% have gone to C and the rest to other. If those same percentages hold for C's challenges -- roughly 1000 -- then 143 votes will go to C and 575 to F. More than enough to make up the deficit. Given his higher number of challenges, one would think C would not win the same 14.3%. The one disturbing note is that C has in fact won 7 of the 20 of his challenges that have actually been considered -- a frightfully high number in a small sample. But I give high weight to the public's vote, with +275 for F.
Can we please have a vague recount timeline? I want to know when to pay attention again.
to 538'staff.
I am still waiting to see one of your amazing analysis about the accuracy of the pollsters during GE 2008.
I am not suggesting how to do it,at all,it's not my business...but please do it.
good night.
:)
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THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR McCAIN!
It looks also that the withdrawn challenges are in the pile that they are looking at. Because sometimes they take a ballot, and the franken representative says withdrawn. Then the SOS still goes and has the motion to reject the challenge (although very fast), and count the ballot for coleman or as nonvote.
When ballots are withdrawn late they were left in pile and the secratary of state does not move to reject the challenge as nazar siad. He just moves to count the ballot whatever the election judge said at the recount.
It's amazing how clean and orderly this all goes when you don't have the Secretary of State shitting on the institutions of democracy.
Franken better fight this to the bitter end. And the Democratic leadership, including Obama, better back him up 100%.
Morning all,
my thanks to Nate, mbw and KWR for the great analysis. I feel stupid now that I forgot to take away the Coleman challenges that "wormed its way into the Franken pile" (c) KWR.
To add to the comments about theuptake.org live blog of the CB meeting: my frustration of how they report the results. I pointed out that it's a misnomer and more than just a bit misleading. Theuptake calls its categories something like "challenge wins, coleman wins and other", while the former is not really a challenge win, but a "vote to Franken that was previously ruled as something else by the election judge".
Thus, what we have is a total uncertainty of the total number of actual CHALLENGE wins further obfuscated my the misleading title. It does no good to gripe about theuptake accounting as they are all-volunteer organization that needs money and volunteers. (I keep getting emails from them to staff/moderate their coverage of the senate race).
I am not able to watch this either MPR site or on the Strib site, but if anyone here watched them - do they provide a better way of tracking/accounting challenge resolution?
TIA
~Latte
Hi, Latte and all: I too forgot that Coleman's team got to bat before stumps, with the nightwatchmen putting up 13 runs in 3 overs (incl. 2 wides). Well, it's not clear to me from the reporting how "double-challenge" ballots were accounted---were any of the 20 challenges ascribed to Coleman such cases? Anyway it's all "small data".
I gather that TheUptake's scoreboard will start with "Coleman +234, Franken +64, Other 117", so the numbers I'm saying to watch are whether the Coleman # hits +265-270, and whether Other hits 260. Hey, almost the same number! Although people will draw attention to the +Franken number, IMHO it's meaningless from now on---except for the spin value!
More regarding the STrib's projections later---I'm not sure how to interpret what they say here and here. I did 20 more ballots and got what looked like a noticeably more-"random" sequence.
@UWBHS-
Thanks for the link- excellent. Do you know that this sheet is of the current challenges and that it is not just data from an earlier part of the process?
@STepper
Are you sure those MMSC Justices are actually being partisan? It was not that obvious to me. It seems that they are helping to add fodder for courtroom consumption,but they also seemed fairly even handed.
What do you mean by:
"Guess who gets to be the Senator from Minnesota in the meantime?
It's not Al Franken."
Do you think the US senate will seat Coleman in Jan, will MN actually have Junior Senator?
@Nate: Thanks for sorting through the 155 challenge ballots- I still think Franken will have a net gain of well over 200 vote relative to Cole from the challenged ballots reviewed by the CB board.
Final comments:
Franken's lawyers should have a number of valid, potential, double- vote challenges ready and waiting this a.m., and I hope that number should be OVER 150.
MOE reigns in elections this close, which is why the lawyer are able to take over the process so readily.
The solution in hindsight:
The MN Democratic Party (DFL?) should have picked a better candidate than Franken-Was their "bench" really that "shallow"? Sure Al is fun may be even the best option on the bench as a Senator- but the MOE in MN should NOT have been this wide. How many points did Obama win by?
Thanks Dimple Chad- I would bet you are right on!
Who are those souls that went through the >6000 challenged ballots???
Many thanks to them.
mhz:
Franken was the candidate because we wouldn't have had a chance of matching Coleman's warchest if not for Franken's ability to raise money...
Duluth-
Does that mean Franken was not willing to act as a fund raiser if he was not also the candidate?
I am not from MN- Who else could have run? I guess I should find info on the primaries for the MN senate race-
How big was Obama's win in MN?
Hey Nate; will you move update the site to have the win margins posted state by state? It would be a nice change in the right column. Maybe you could even put them on your final map- or is that too messy?
WV sessub- what all the cheaters and big fat liars should do-
sessub, get out, and let us clean up this sess pool you have left US.
Any chance that the UN or some other nation is gonna do us (and Obama) a favor and try Cheney on war crimes. I am hoping Bush's inevitable Jan pardon of
Cheney will not be binding on other nations.
This is the election that never ends
It just drags on and on my friends
Some people started voting and
they didn't know what they were doing and
This is the election that never ends
It just goes on and on my friends
Because the Coleman campaign withdrew about 400 of the 1,016 original Coleman challenges before today's start, and then added about 200 more, it's hard to gauge what % of progress was made before today's lunchbreak. Hence I make some inferences:
() The last ballot mentioned before lunch (and not yet acted on?) was Hennepin---MPLS W-11 P-08 #13. This is the 344th ballot (line 345) on the SoS Excel list of 1,016. Hence they have made 343/1,016 = 33.7% or 344/1,016 = 33.8% progress relative to that list.
() If Coleman's "extra" 200 challenges were not mixed in with ballots reviewed this morning, then the progress is 343/1,217 i.e. only about 28%. But maybe Franken has "extra" challenges coming too...and 23 lines in the 440-line Excel list of actions on 4ranken's challenges shows 23 lines yellow-highlighted with no resolution indicated. Hence I'll call that factor a 'wash" and go with exactly 1/3 progress.
Now, comparing a boldface 12:30pm lunchtime summary posted by Mike McIntee at TheUptake's live blog (just re-stated as "better numbers" by Noah Kunin) against their 4:30pm CST summary at close yesterday, the movement has been:
Coleman +11 from 238 to 249.
Other +46 from 114 to 160.
(Franken +210 from 63 to 273---this doesn't matter to my analysis)
Multiplying by 3 gives close-of-Friday projections of
Coleman +33
Other +138
versus my saying above that so long as +Coleman stays < 35 and +Other stays < 145, Franken will be fine (i.e., getting those values would produce a near-exact tie). Hence my projection of Franken +11 based on this phase alone (blithely ignoring some bigger factors) seems OK so far...
This morning is pretty good evidence that the Coleman campaign does not have an overall superior basket of challenges compared to the Franken lot, which leads me to ask why the Coleman group has not been more studios in withdrawing challenges.
They want to piss of the CB ? Nah.
Hoping for a CB bias ? Very unlikely.
I vote for choice #3: They are anticipating that the challenged ballots will be the basket of votes for the next sorting, according to whatever criteria they decide to sue on. Crafty; the Franken party better think ahead and match or parry effectively.
If you add up the results of the Coleman challenges and the Franken challenges at the Strib site, they don't equal the results for the total challenges.
Most interstingly, the total Coleman votes are only slightly higher than the sum of the Coleman votes from the Coleman+Franken challenges (as of this moment, 250 versus 17+229). But the total Franken votes are much higher than the corresponding sum (164 versus 79+58).
Is Franken winning the "double challenges"?
As Emily Latilla might say, Never Mind!
I did a refresh, and the latest update had Franken and Coleman with total votes both only slightly greater than the votes from Coleman+Franken challenges.
As Columbo might say, One More Thing.
Coleman is winning a much smaller percentage of his challenges.
It would be very helpful if someone (anyone) could split the "No votes" (on both sides) into challenge won versus challenge rejected.
And then I refresh again, and Frankens total vote adds are more than 100 greater than then his adds from Coleman+Franekn challenges (!!??)
At the definite risk of being accused of having a conversation with myself, maybe the excess Franken totals are for ballots withdrawn by Coleman on the spot (they don't appear as Coleman challenges anymore).
TheUptake commenter NotThatJoe tracks Franken's vote-challenge wins (subtracting from Coleman) as having been 57, not 33 as I used above. Nate here stated Franken as winning "115 of 393" challenges, so he won 58 new-votes plus the 2 "flips". I.e. Franken won 22 more vote-challenges and 2 more non-vote challenges than I thought. That leaves 4 more in the SoS spreadsheet showing Franken +64 from "his" resolved challenges that may have really been by originally by Coleman, and there were some ballots challenged by both, so the STrib's "+7 from 20 Coleman challenges" may not be inconsistent...
...None of this really matters to my analysis!---because
() I projected separately that Franken had 218 non-vote challenges (based on Elias' and UWBHS' reports and an assumption about Coleman's behavior which jives with his retaining so many more challenges overall) and based Coleman's projected new-vote success rate on that, and
() I gave Coleman the same success-rate as Franken on the same # of vote-challenges, whatever it was.
The only place this changes my pre-today prediction is in the final size of "Other". To wit:
I thought Franken had won 87 challenges, with 2 double-wins, plus his "Elias +4 margin" to make a target of 93. Instead he's at 115 + 2 + 4 setting a target of 121. (Nate thinks Franken may net 7 more from his unresolved challenges, and doesn't count or "washes" the 2 flips, so he pegs it at 126.)
() I still have Coleman getting 25% from his 117 reported non-vote challenges (regardless of how many he chose to withdraw today), for 29.
() Franken made 225+57 = 282 vote-challenges, so I figure Coleman has 282 that were as good, netting 59 including the same 2 flips.
() That leaves about 1,017 - 117 - 282 = 618 "excess" vote-challenges compared to Franken, not much less than the 637 I got above, and needing to net 121 - 29 - 59 = 33 from them, 4 more than the previous 29.
The only other change is that I probably have to suppose that Franken's threshold for withdrawing a vote challenge amounted to more than my original 5%, since Franken succeeded on more than I'd thought. In proportion, that would be 8%. Line-integrating, that gives Coleman 4% of those 618, for 25 votes---leaving him 8 not 11 short. [Exactly what the AP projected now.]
The fact that Coleman subsequently withdrew 400 challenges and added 200 more doesn't affect this mode of analysis so much, because it just nibbles at the tail of this "line". The basic reason my projection is reduced from my Franken +20-30 projection last weekend is that the vote-challenge success rate (based only on Franken's performance, mind you) came out higher, which helps Coleman because he had yea-many more vote-challenges. Or put another way, Coleman with his 600 excess challenges is indulging in an exercise in "bottom-feeding".
So my "amended original projection"---not taking into account today's results at all---still says that Coleman will add 31 (or 32 with a third "flip") new votes to the +238 he had after Franken's turn, so TheUptake will show Coleman +270 at the end. Meaning 17 more tomorrow from his +253 today (per STrib's table). And "Other" projects to add 88 unsuccessful Coleman undervote challenges to 57 + 25 = 82 Franken knockouts, making 170 added to this morning's start of 114, for 282 by close tomorrow (currently 198 per the STrib's table).
Now finally looking at today's figures, Franken seems to be doing 5-10 votes better, so maybe Nate's ancient "Franken +27" will prove right after all :-).
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