12.31.2008

Franken May Be Ceding Ground on Absentee Ballots

In St. Louis County, one of the bluest areas in Minnesota, the Coleman campaign succeeded in blocking more than a third of absentee ballots set aside by the state for potentially being wrongfully rejected from being counted -- including one ballot from an elections judge. Per the Star Tribune:

DULUTH - Shirley Graham was astonished to learn that a lawyer from Norm Coleman's campaign on Tuesday blocked her absentee ballot from being added to the U.S. Senate recount.

"I'm an election judge," said Graham, of Duluth. "I expected to be the last person whose ballot wouldn't be counted."

Her sealed ballot was among 60 from St. Louis County that were blocked by representatives of Coleman and Al Franken during the first day of a statewide review of absentee ballots that may have been wrongly rejected in last month's election. Under a state Supreme Court ruling, local election officials and the two campaigns must all agree that a ballot was wrongly rejected for it to be sent along to St. Paul for inclusion in the recount.

Coleman's camp, which rejected 59 of the 60 ballots set aside Tuesday in St. Louis County, objected to Graham's ballot on the grounds that the date next to her signature did not match the date next to the signature of her witness, Jack Armstrong.
There are a couple of things in the preceding paragraphs that the Franken campaign ought to be worried about. Firstly, quite a high percentage of absentee ballots were rejected -- 60 out of what had been reported yesterday to be 161 ballots under consideration in St. Louis County, or 37 percent. All but one of those objections were made by the Coleman campaign. Secondly, the Coleman campaign is getting away with blocking ballots for asinine reasons. In the case cited above, for instance, the ballot was rejected because the date provided by the voucher did not match the date the date provided by the voter. Not only is there no requirement that the dates of the signatures match -- there is no requirement that the signatures are dated, period (see the applicable statutes for yourself here and here).

Now, it's not clear that the Franken campaign can do much about the Coleman campaign blocking any one individual ballot, since the process that the Minnesota Supreme Court set up essentially gives either campaign a unilateral veto on any ballot they do not want counted. The risk to Franken is that the Coleman folks will be applying one standard in St. Louis County, where the average absentee ballot would probably help Franken, but another (more liberal) one in Dakota County, where Coleman won the plurality of votes. If Coleman is blocking 37 percent of the ballots in blue counties and not blocking any at all in red counties, then it is far from clear that Franken will succeed in gaining ground from the absentee ballot phase and in fact the opposite might turn out be true.

The Franken could take one obvious counter-measure: move to reject a high percentage of absentees in red counties. Perhaps they have been doing that; reporting has pretty sporadic between all the different counties where this process is taking place, so we really don't know.

For the time being, however, they seem inclined to play it cool and maintain the moral highground, perhaps believing that they'll have a strong argument on Equal Protection grounds if they need to contest the election later on.

From my vantage point, Franken could possibly have played his hand more strongly on Monday, once it became clear that the Coleman campaign was making no pretense whatsoever of attempting to establish an objective, statewide standard for the counting of absentees, essentially just cherry-picking ballots and daring the Franken campaign to call them on it. The result of that process was that no statewide standards were agreed upon, enabling either campaign to apply different standards across different counties.

The upshot of all of this is that Franken probably now has grounds to contest the election if at any point he falls behind, either after the vote is certified or, as is somewhat more likely, following a successful Coleman challenge on the question of duplicate ballots.

68 comments

Joe Benevides said...

First!

Jake said...

The Supreme Court fucked this one up big time, and it was completely foreseeable. Embarrassing. Franken should be adamant about accepting all or none of the ballots. Letting the candidates decide was literally the worst possible decision the court could have made. It speaks to an amazing lack of foresight and general ineptitude. They should all resign in disgrace.

green libertarian said...

The process is deeply flawed.

I'll say it again, ALL rejected absentee envelopes are going to have to be analyzed by a bi-partisan or neutral entity, perhaps a Special Master appointed by the MN Supremes, as the earlier ruling, "work it out" has not been amenable to a reasonable, fair, process.

Opus 132 said...

I'm beginning to feel very nervous.I agree Al has got to go "all or none".And yes,the Supremes scewed up.

Why weren't all pile 5's turned over to the CB for resolution?

Zane said...

Not sure what camp Franken could have done differently in St. Louis county. The only action they can take is to reject ballots, and there doesn't seem to be much motivation for him to be doing so in the blue districts. I imagine we'll see inverted figures in the red districts. Al isn't taking the high ground, he's just highlighting the profound idiocy of the supreme's decision.

kjvd00 said...

And the drama continues. This seems to be heading to court, no matter what the "official outcome."


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eggroll said...

The 3-2 split Dec. 18 decision by the Supreme Court says in convoluted fashion that the parties are expected to act in good faith in deciding which absentee ballots were improperly excluded and that if such exclusions were made in bad faith, the excluding party could face court sanctions in the subsequent election contest. Ultimately, we will all know how the votes went down, but it may not be until the election contest. At that time a misbehaving party could be punished by the court and publically denounced. The flimsiness of the decision seems to reflect a feeble hope from the court for a showing of Christmas/Hanukkah spirit. I think this is covered for Franken: the only problem is that Coleman is now enjoying a short window of opportunity to act in bad faith. In the end, however, it will only add to his court costs and humiliation.

gotoran said...

Franken doesn't have the luxury of taking the moral high ground....not against a GOP machine that will use every single dirty trick in the book to win. This, they have proved time and time again. The will do WHATEVER it takes to win. Franken MUST do the same or he'll lose...period. Great analysis as usual, Nate.

LDW said...

Perhaps Franken's team is waiting for the first opportunity to demonstrate conclusively to the MSC that the Coleman team is not operating in good faith, and that the MSC must change the counting rules if the voters are to get a fair shake.

Such a needed action by the MSC could be prejudicial to Coleman in any future Coleman election contest challenges.

The opportunity to demonstrate that the Coleman team is using different standards for different voting districts should come soon, when the deeply red counties are evaluated.

D said...

While I agree that Franken can simply return Colman's favor by rejecting ballots from red parts of the state, the problem is all along everyone has assumed that counting these absentee ballots would likely add more votes to Franken's total than Colman because of the where's and why's the ballots were originally not counted in the first place. Having them not counted was a victory for Colman to start with, so if ever last absentee ballot is "agreed" to not count now, I don't think he'll shed too many tears.

As long as Franken remains ahead in the count, it just becomes a matter of swatting down Colman's legal challenges, but the Minnesota Supreme Courts decision was a complete joke, and this is exactly why.

wv - uncou: I had no idea how uncou Norm Colman really was until this process really started to unfold.

Ben said...

Hi Nate,

You've been doing a great job of reporting on this recount fiasco, and it's much appreciated.

However, I don't think your logic w/r/t to the Coleman challenge cited above holds. Even if the statutes don't require any signature, having a witness give a different date than a voter could still be seen as problematic, even under an objective standard. If both signatures are dated and don't match, it almost certainly means that the "witness" did not actually witness the voter fill out and sign the ballot. I don't think you'd necessarily need a specific statutory mandate to see that as invalid, by the plain meaning of the word "witness." If neither signature were dated, or if exactly one were dated, you can much more charitably assume that the witness did their job, especially given the lack of statutory requirement to prove it. But in the case cited, the voter and witness explicitly provided evidence to the contrary.

fred said...

I have no idea what the MNSC was thinking, but I think Franken needs to go back to the court TODAY to point out this issue and request relief.

Alternatively, the election board needs to go through all the rejected ballots (just like they did in the original recount) and put the ones back in that were wrongly rejected. Are we sure this is not the plan?

PorridgeGun said...

Don't cede anything to the scum. You've got this thing won, that's all there is to it. Now shut out your opponent, which includes being seated by senate Dems.


I'm telling ya, Franken better not fuck up my new year.

fred said...

What could make you feel the republicans were even more out of touch than you felt when you woke up?

How about lots of powerful Republicans DEFENDING the clearly racist "Magic Negro" song.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/12/republicans_popping_up_to_defend_saltsman_for_magic_negro_cd.php

Davy said...

Look, all I've been hearing is that Burris is not a bad guy. I haven't heard one thing that convinces me he is qualified to take Obama's place in the senate. OH WAIT, he's black. Well, that makes all the difference in the world (sarcasm). Well I would think the citizens of Illinois would want someone who represents their best interests, not someone who is the least reprehensible.

REgarding Franken/Coleman. Coleman is the one who seems to be trying to win this on a technicality but he knows he is losing. I truly hope every legitimate vote is counted. Democracy depends upon it

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fred said...

Davy-

He is highly qualified and well known in IL politics. He is an attorney, the former AG, the comptroller, has a well known name, and is well liked both in Chicago and downstate (not an easy feat). Go find a fact.

If Burris were put up by Quinn all you idiots in the cheap seats would be cheering the choice.

Davy said...

Here's an irony. Burris keeps showing up on newscasts trying to distance himself from Blagojevich's scandal saying, "Gosh darn it, I'm good enough, qualified, and untainted".

Whatever, dude

Matthew H said...

Um Davy, Burris is a former state Attorney General. That's as much qualification as most Senators have.

Actually, I'm not sure the dates matter, as long as the witnesser is later. I'm the voter, I fill out everything (including the envelope), take it to work the next day, have my coworker sign and date the envelope, put in the ballot, and send it. There's no requirement that the witness witnesses me acutally filling it out (since then it's not a secret ballot, is it).

WV: Terouslu- what usually gets created when I try to cook a desert.

fred said...

Davy-

You are pretty clearly not from IL and have little idea what you are talking about. If you don't trust Burris, fine. He is well known in IL and will poll well.

Davy said...

@ Fred

He has been labeled the 'lovable loser'.

Look, I'm not trying to diss the guy. He seems likable enough. We don't need a likeable enough guy in the Senate. We need someone with good judgment, Burris hasn't been vetted, and furthermore has been nominated by a Governor who is likely to be indicted. The fact that Burris accepted this nomination is an example of poor judgment.

This isn't a G-d %$#^%# popularity contest. It's my country.

Davy said...

Nope, not from Illinois. Don't have to be to see that things are done differently there.

Darren Lenard Hutchinson said...

I think it's probably safe to assume that Franken is applying a tough standard when it helps him, and a more flexible one for the same purpose. Coleman = Franken = politician trying to win.

Davy said...

Blagojevich is a chump. He threw Burris into the ring to try to save his ass by playing the race card. It's not gonna fly.

Michael (mbw) said...

Fred- I don't think you have a feel for our politics, even if you're also from IL. Blago was running 13% approval before the arrest. D's in the state house were talking about impeachment. Others were talking about amending the Constitution to allow recall. Both my state Rep. and state Sen. openly discussed hating Blago. You think that somehow all that will be forgotten, even though every ongoing state govt dysfunction is a constant reminder.

No Blago appointee can successfully run for reelection. If lucky, Burris will be taken as a chump, which he is,rather than a crook, which he isn't.

Candidates with no recent association with state govt, e.g. US reps, are our best bets, but only if they've stayed away from Blago.

Spam210wal said...

"The Franken could take one obvious counter-measure: move to reject a high percentage of absentees in red counties." - I have a feeling that's exactly what he IS doing. He'd have to be an idiot not to.

Wayward Son said...

The problem is that the MNSC set it up so that Franken's strategy must be communicated and implemented across the state in real-time.

Coleman always knew he was going to be an ass and challenge in Franken areas and go easy on ballots from Coleman areas. As he sent out his people, he could give them specific instructions on what he wanted them to do based on where they were going.

Franken, however, started out by asking for every 5th pile ballot to be included. When Coleman began selectively excluding and including ballots, the 'Franken response' would have needed to be broadcast immediately across the state, with tons of dependencies on what the Coleman team was trying to do in that specific area.. a coordination nightmare.

I don't see how it is possible for Franken to effectively manage a correct response statewide, but he's going to have to find a way, or risk Nate's continued disapproval.

hill.tops said...

Al,

The little Neo-con will say and do anything to hold office.

Take out a chain saw and cut off Norm's legs, right now!

Kr said...

Anyone know enough about the law to know about the possibility of a third-party challenge?

Could the election judge (or any other whose absentee ballot was rejected) sue to get her ballot counted? Could she get class-action status, or does that not apply to these kinds of things?

livemild said...

good posts from just about evryone.

i am so tired of demos playing "nice" and losing badly. franken needs to play mean.
i wouldnt count on the SC for beans. they have already proven they are worthless.

if franken wants to win he has to win here and now.

moondancer said...

Coleman and the GOP election thieves are still in a lose/lose situation. If they are able to undo the will of the people(I don't care if it is by one vote) they face a year or two of horrid press as he gets indicted and convicted. Even if Pawlenty chooses the replacement, it will crush what little favorable ratings he has left.
Of course if the current count is to stand, it is reinforcement of the GOP being a regional party of racists.
Goopers would be better served to cut the unctuous Coleman loose, work on a makeover of the sow they call their party. Plus I suspect they can use Franken to refill their coffers quite nicely.

Craig said...

Could the election judge (or any other whose absentee ballot was rejected) sue to get her ballot counted? Could she get class-action status, or does that not apply to these kinds of things?

Individual voters whose ballots were incorrectly rejected can file a fairly simple suit with the MN SC to get their vote counted, but I don't know when the court would decide to hear those cases....probably after certification. I suspect there will be quite a few of those cases.

Joseph said...

People are fooling themselves if they think the "upshot" is that if Franken loses based on absentee ballots, it will be "easier" for him later on.

That's make-believe bull.

If there is systematic crap going on that risks the election, it needs to be challenged right now and directly (go back to the MSC). Either that or Franken needs to go the same route in the red counties.

That is the bottom line.

Personally, the only upside I see in this is that I suspect Norm's campaign realized they could only pick up so many votes no matter how dirty they played the game in each county. Even a total scoundrel would have a hard time being able to justify rejecting and accepting ballots in the same county that are essentially filled out in exactly the same fashion. You can't just say, "we don't particularly like that ballot - you have to have some consistent rationale within the same county). I suspect the Coleman campaign wanted to add additional very-specific type cherry-picked ballots because it is the only way they could make the numbers work to their perceived advantage while still pretending to apply a uniform standard.

The fact that was kicked down may have greatly harmed their ability to overcome the deficit with the number of ballots remaining to add to the tallies.

Cugel said...

This case is clearly heading back to the MN S.Ct. and they will have to have the entire court re-consider their idiotic opinion and come up with a ruling on how to determine whether to count or not count the wrongfully rejected absentee ballots -- one that doesn't depend on good will from the campaigns because there can't be any.

The parties cannot agree on an overall strategy because every strategy is a zero sum game. Either it results in Coleman or Franken losing ground.

And if it means Coleman loses, then he's not going to certify any approach regardless of logic or the court's order. He's behind and can only lose if all the ballots are counted.

He MIGHT lose if his antics piss off the MN S.Ct. but he doesn't care.

It's scorched earth or nothing for him. If he loses in the State court there's always the federal courts and an election contest.

He's just posturing and waiting and trying to drum up as much dust as he can to argue that the recount was fatally flawed.

This is just like Bush and Gore "meeting to discuss" the Florida recount in 2000. Nothing came of the meeting with James Baker because it was all or nothing. You either win or lose and there's no grounds for compromise.

This is the same.

Mark said...

Unless I'm misunderstanding the situation, it seems like the Supreme Court's decision has put the Franken camp in a lose-lose situation. First, it has already declared that all the 5th pile absentee ballots should be accepted. Since acceptance requires unanimity, it seems that the Coleman campaign basically now has unilateral veto power across the state as to determine what gets counted and what doesn't, thus giving them carte blanch power to cherry pick.

If, on the other hand, the Franken campaign can shift course and now move to exclude ballots in some red counties, it is thus permanently conceding to the fact that a considerable number of absentee ballots across the state should be excluded, and thus probably narrowing Franken's overall gain from the 5th pile and narrowing his overall margin of victory (leaving it more likely to be overthrown by any future court reversals, such as on duplicate ballots).

Am I wrong?

green libertarian said...

Actually, I'm not sure the dates matter, as long as the witnesser is later. I'm the voter, I fill out everything (including the envelope), take it to work the next day, have my coworker sign and date the envelope, put in the ballot, and send it. There's no requirement that the witness witnesses me acutally filling it out (since then it's not a secret ballot, is it).
-Matthew H.

Incorrect.

Here's what the relevant Statute says:

The certificate shall also contain a statement signed by a person who is registered to vote in Minnesota or by a notary public or other individual authorized to administer oaths stating that:

(1) the ballots were displayed to that individual unmarked;

(2) the voter marked the ballots in that individual's presence without showing how they were marked, or, if the voter was physically unable to mark them, that the voter directed another individual to mark them;

(203B.07)

The plain language says the witness is supposed to actually witness the voter in the process of filling out their ballot.

Joseph said...

Mark,

I do think your statement does miss something in the sense that if Franken rejects ballots in red counties for the same reasons Coleman did in blue counties, and use that fact as their rationale, it just levels the field a bit all around.

Nothing they do in the next two days necessarily prevents them from claiming as they always have that all wrongly rejected ballots should be counted. They can honestly say they tried to apply the SC ruling from before during the pre-certification counting (i.e. that is, finding a "consistent" standard with the counties and the other campaign), but that the higher standard should be that ALL of them should have been counted.

The MSC created a situation where there could be a lower standard by giving the campaign's arbitrary "veto" power on ballots. But that doesn't mean someone couldn't argue a higher "correct" standard that allowed all legally cast votes should be counted regardless of what flaws were applied during the initial tally.

I'm not saying I'd want to go there, but I think it is too simple to say that if Franken excludes ballots during this phase they can never ask for them to be counted later - particularly if they were "trying" to make the flawed situation set up for them by the MSC work.

Todd said...

After the senate recount, each side has vowed to use the legal system to further challenge the outcome.

Rather than spending millions of dollars and a ridiculous amount of time trying to figure out intent of Minnesota voters, why not flip a coin and call it done? When the vote count is essentially a tie, do we really think that legal challenges and arguments are going to resolve this in a satisfactory manner?

No matter who wins after the recount and legal battles, there will always be a cloud of suspicion and skepticism hanging over the heads of the election officials and perhaps even the state supreme court.
I think the election officials should do us all a favor - when elections come down to a dead heat whereby the public is not going to be served well by splitting hairs from a bald head, then perhaps it is best to flip a coin so that the job of governing can continue and the job of litigation and senseless arguing can end.

Jon said...

I don't know the legal ins and outs of this but it's not clear to me as a matter of fact that the date written on the envelope by the voter not matching that written by the witness means the witness didn't watch them fill out the ballot. I can't see why it couldn't simply be a matter of one of them being confused as to the date and the witness not looking at what date the voter wrote or, if the witness was pedantic and the transaction occurred around midnight, of the date changing between the time the voter dated it and the time the witness did so, or of the voter writing the date on which they mailed the ballot rather than the date on which they filled it out. I won't claim any such scenarios are likely other than confusion as to the date (if I had a nickel for every time someone has asked me what day of the week it was, let alone what day of the month...) but neither are they impossible.

peter said...

Can someone explain to me how in the world the MNSC came up with the idea that the Coleman and Franken campaigns could choose to accept or reject the 5th pile ballots? Don't the voters have an independent right to have their ballot counted, irrespective of any input from the campaigns?

It seems to this naive observer that this is a clear violation of the Equal Protection clause.

Mark said...

Goddammit. Franken obviously won, and if Coleman steals this, I'm going to be seriously pissed off.

1sunnyday said...

It certainly appears as though Franken is allowing Coleman to cherry pick ballots. If this is true, Franken will almost certainly give Coleman the lead at final certification. The lead at certification means a lot, it probably means everything , as the onus of proof for any challenge is always the put upon the loser.

With a margin of just 50 votes, I do not for a minute believe the Franken camp is stupid enough to allow Coleman to gain a single vote through cherry picking the absentee ballots.

Clearly, the most logical course of action for the Franken camp to take would have been to shut down the counting the moment Coleman started cherry picking, effectively locking in Franken's 50 vote lead.

So why is the Franken camp seemingly letting Coleman cherry pick ballots when allowing such gaming will almost certainly result in Coleman being certified the winner? I don't for a minute think the Franken camp is that stupid, so I've a few guesses:

A. Perhaps the rules allow Franken another opportunity to reject ballots prior to them being opened and counted? If this is the case, then Franken is simply giving Coleman enough rope to hang himself. Franken would do this to acquire ample evidence that Coleman has violated the court's ruling and is rejecting ballots on purely partisan grounds.

After the rejection phase and prior to the ballots being opened, Franken would petition the MN Supreme Court to rule on Coleman's unlawful and partisan rejections. Franken would likely request that the court appoint independent observers (the Canvassing board?) to decide the validity of each ballot. If such a petition were rejected, Franken would then object to any of the absentee ballots being opened, locking in Franken's victory margin at the current 50 votes.

B. If the rules don't allow Franken another opportunity to object to the opening of ballots he has previously approved, it would suggest Franken is not at all confident about post-certification challenges. This could indicate that Franken is taking a huge, but calculated risk that the MN Supreme Court will strongly disapprove of Coleman's cherry picking.

I believe Franken would only dare take such a chance if his side truly felt a 50 vote lead wouldn't carry them past post-certification challenges. An independent counting of the fifth pile absentee ballots would probably bring Franken a many hundred vote lead.

C. The most unlikely possibility, but still possible is that Franken's camp is gullibly allowing Coleman to cherry pick ballots because Franken won't stoop to Coleman's tactics. If this is the case, Franken has been unbelievably stupid and truly risks losing.

If Coleman's cherry picking isn't disallowed by the court or checked by Franken, things aren't just bad for Franken, they're much, much worse than most suggest. The reason is that both Coleman and Franken's people have long known the actual names on the wrongfully rejected absentee voters.

Both sides have probably performed investigations on each and every name, trying to suss out the vote of each and every one of those voters. A lot of this could be done with a simple phone call to the voter asking how they voted. If the voter refused, knowing their exact name and exact address would give any good researcher a very high level of confidence of the voting habits of that particular person. Were they registered Democrats or Republicans? etc...

All that said, I cannot imagine the MN Supreme Court would be at all happy to hear that such a list had been Coleman's primary seive in the culling of ballots. Were one of Coleman's rejectors asked by the court (under penalty of perjury) if such a list existed and was used to cull voters, I can't imagine that Coleman's rejector (probably a lawyer) would risk disbarment and lie to the court.

Perhaps that's what Franken is counting on.

moondancer said...

1sunnyday-

I doubt Frankens lawyers went stupid after all this time. They are not going to let Coleman steal anything. The only way they lose is a complicit court somewhere that is in the GOP pocket. SCOTUS comes to mind. Sad when one can straight faced say that a partisan opinion is likely from them.

1sunnyday said...

Moondancer-

I agree that it's highly unlikely the Franken camp just lost all their sanity. On the face of it though, the Franken camp's decisions regarding the absentee ballots makes absolutely no sense at all.

The MN SC gave Franken clear authority to reject any or all of the fifth pile ballots. Why then is he risking his lead by allowing Coleman to cherry pick ballots? It just doesn't make sense.

I suspect the reason these decisions make no sense to us is that the Franken camp has some key bits of information that we don't have.

In my post above I guessed as to what that information might be, but it could be something else entirely. Or, yes it could be that Franken's camp has make a massive miscalculation. Although I do share your doubts that this has occurred.

gotoran said...

Occam's Razor suggests that it may be as simple as Franken suffering from terminal Good Guy syndrome.

polls_apart said...

We should remember that the MNSC ruling called for sanctions against either party if they were found to be gaming the absentee ballot selection procedure. A number of people pooh-poohed this as a weak reed, but I see Franken as filing suit under that provision before Monday rolls around. It shouldn't be difficult for his forces to produce a statewide summary of the handling of the improperly rejected absentee ballots, with counts of the rejections relative to the original totals. In fact, a decision by Franken to issue minimal challenges to improperly rejected absentee ballots would make it easier in this regard, since his lawyers could then pin most of the rejections on Coleman, making their argument clearer.

Joseph said...

Looks like Norm Coleman's team is tossing one back to the MSC. Wanting to make sure that all those ballots the MSC ruled must be decided on by the counties and the campaigns are instead kicked up to the state level. (Oh, and of course adding the 650_ cherry-picked ones they want considered as well).

Here's hoping the MSC just kicks them in the nuts.

The fact that the games are still being played is the best sign I've seen all day that the Coleman team is convinced they are headed for a loss.

What an embarrassing spectacle.

ABowers said...

I think maybe I agree with Norm Coleman for the first time ever. He is now petitioning the Minnesota Supreme Court on the absentee ballot issue. He complains that there is no statewide standard for deciding that an absentee ballot was WRONGLY rejected. He wants ballots sent to the SOS for a determination.
The Minnesota Supreme Court's decision to allow political campaigns to reject valid ballots was crazy from the start. The local boards should send any wrongly rejected ballot to a central site, with the accompanying documentation, for a final review. The central site can set uniform standards. For example, do the witness's date and the voter's date have to match? Yes or No, it would be the same for everyone statewide. If someone was rejected as not registered, they could sent a copy of the voter's registration, etc.
This was always the only fair way. And it will prevent Norm Coleman from cherry picking which ballots to reject which was threatening Al Franken's count - as Nate pointed out. So it drags on a little longer. Lets do it right.
Obsessed Observer.

Mike in Maryland said...

Could it be that Franken is letting Coleman pick and choose certain ballots in blue counties to exclude, then using examples of such same type ballots in red counties NOT rejected by Coleman to set up the court case?

Joseph said...

Do you realize, ABowers, that you are leaving out one critical piece of information in your explanation.

Coleman does not want JUST the wrongly rejected 5th pile sent up to the state for review. He wants to add to that pile the 650+ cherry-picked ballots his campaign selected specifically from counties friendly to his campaign - including ones from reports I've read that are CLEARLY not acceptable ballots (missing signatures on the envelope entirely, etc). We're talking about ballots which have now been rejected TWICE by those counties as being clearly not acceptable.

So are you saying you agree with that as well? And don't you find it the least bit suspect that this is not what Coleman wanted just two days ago, or two days before that, or when he filed his initial suit?

Coleman is clearly dancing and writhing and weaving any way he can to turn the tide in his favor. The fact that he happens to stumble into one (half-way) logical argument hardly makes him a candidate for sainthood for free and fair elections or a hero of disenfranchised voters.

Opus 132 said...

Question:

What was the last date approved by the MSC for the completion of the counting of the absentee ballots? Wasn't it Jan 2?


wv; frankler Horefully,this is a good sign for Al.

Opus 132 said...

He wants to add to that pile the 650+ cherry-picked ballots his campaign selected specifically from counties friendly to his campaign

Didn't the MSC reject this the other day? Or am I dreaming?

Opus 132 said...

Coleman asks Minn. court to change absentee ruling

the latest from Minnesota,50 minuters ago:

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/36953744.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUec7PaP3E77K_0c::D3aDhUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiU


wv:surli What Coleman is making me,

just_looking said...

The MSC ordered the campaigns, the SoS, and the counties to come up with a process in which 1) the counties would identify the "fifth-pile" ballots, and 2) for the subset of those ballots where both campaigns agreed, they would be opened and counted. Coleman claims in response to the MSC, a process was agreed by all parties where the candidates could suggest additional ballots beyond the 1342 already identified. Some counties accepted the suggestions, others did not.

On first principles, Coleman has a point. It is not proper for different counties to have applied different standards in creating their "fifth-pile" ballots, either before or after considering the campaigns' suggested additions. So, to the extent that the additional suggestions are attempting to apply a uniform standard, that would now be centrally judged, that's defensible. And as ABowers pointed out, a central judge makes it easier for Franken to insure Coleman isn't getting away with rejecting ballots only in blue counties.

On the other hand, if Coleman's additional ballots are cherry-picked, and it would be up to Franken to find his corresponding cherry-picked additional ballots, we are back to Coleman's selective-county game, and that should be rejected.

If the Court feels there is enough time, they could request all rejected ballots be sent up for a fresh look by a central authority applying a consistent standard.

green libertarian said...

Minnesotans don't register their party preference, else it would be REALLY easy cherry pick this from either side.

Coleman has a point, and Franken has basically said the same thing.

We don't KNOW that county officials have handled Absentee Ballot Envelopes in a consistent way.

I can see at least 5 different standards that were used for simply the date issue:
1. Completely ignored.
2. Voter dated, witness didn't, some officials accept, some don't.
3. Witness dated, voter didn't, some officials accept, some don't.
4. Voter and witness dates match, AE accepted.
5. Voter date is after witness date, some officials accept, some don't.
6. Voter date is before witness date, some officials accept, some don't.

What if a voter and their witness put down 11/06/09, supposedly AFTER election day, but the AE without question arrived before the deadline, which I think is 3 pm. on election day? Reject the AE because the voter and witness are confused about the date?

If there were erroneously ACCEPTED ballot envelopes, I don't think you can do anything about that. The envelope was preserved, if I read correctly, but the envelope was opened and ballot separated and counted, and could not be matched back, even if it's an (counted) AB pile.

The universe of possibly erroneously rejected AE's is not 1350, it's the total amount of them, some 12,000, I think.

The fairest and most accurate thing to do would be to have the CB or some other body, judicially ordered perhaps, to define EXACTING criteria, and go thru ALL 12,000 rejected AEs using the exacting criteria. At 1000 a day, that's 12 days.

THEN, you'd have to go thru the actual hand count of these, and then the challenge process.

Yep, tedious, menial, and ugly, but it's the only fair thing to do. The logistics will be difficult.

green libertarian said...

I've said all along Coleman has a point about this, with Franken reluctantly agreeing in that he came up with a (much smaller) list of Pile 1-4 AE's he wanted reexamined for inclusion in Pile 5.

There is already evidence of disparate treatment of AEs, not surprising, with what, at least 8000 different people (on election night) examining and making a decision about them. (4000 precincts with a least 2 Election Judges examining.)

green libertarian said...

Oh, and speaking of disparate treatment, SOME voters in SOME counties who sent in their AE early enough, and such AE had a flaw, were contacted by their county officials to come in or mail in that necessary to cure the defect. SOME of the time.

polls_apart said...

Coleman's latest action of appealing the absentee ballot procedure to the MNSC looks to have two motivations:

(1) Coleman is trying to cover his tracks in counties (as reported in Duluth, St. Louis Co.) where his forces forced the rejection of a large proportion of improperly rejected absentee ballots.

(2) Coleman is trying to expand the universe of previously rejected absentee ballots beyond the 1342 previously accepted.

I predict that he will be successful in achieving point (1), not so much with point (2).

just_looking said...

why would Franken's requested additional ballots be much smaller than Coleman's. Is there any reason to believe that red counties applied a more restrictive criteria than blue counties?

green libertarian said...

(2) Coleman is trying to expand the universe of previously rejected absentee ballots beyond the 1342 previously accepted.

The original MNSC allowed either side to expand the universe, of course, with veto power by the other side, or, I believe, elections officials.

Coleman is claiming that some county officials denied outright any ability for the campaigns to ask for consideration of AE's that the campaigns identified. Coleman is also alleging that some counties would not provide the necessary documentation such as absentee ballot applications, so that the campaigns could conduct their own signature match procedure.

Coleman is asking that the SC order the counties to provide all relevant info for evaluating the accept/reject decision made, allow either side to add additional AEs not identified by the counties put in the pile, and then all these relevant docs be sent to the SOS for evaluation by the SOS and representatives of the parties.
(sorry, I can't cut and paste out of a pdf right now, or I'd give you the exact language Coleman asked for.

I don't think that's clear enough as to a procedure to actually make the decision, doesn't say how any dispute would be resolved.

The first part of Coleman's approach seems sound, and would result, it would seem, with some subset of the 12,000 rejected AEs being evaluated for inclusion in pile 5 or not.

But as I said before, an EXACTING criteria must first be established on how to evaluate such info.

The first thing I would suggest is that the date issue be completed ignored, as it's simply irrelevant. You have a voter who's signature matches, a valid witness (registered, address matches) saying they saw the voter mark the ballot, who the hell cares what dates they put down.

Speaking of addresses, there's another area of minutia one could get into, and we've seen some of that already.

Some counties rejected AEs outright if the voter, and I presume, the witness, didn't write their city name down. Other counties, hell maybe other precincts within counties, just ignored that issue, if the street address matched their existing records.
Disparate treatment again.

Should somebody's vote get binned because they or their witness didn't write their city down? Seems absurd.

Another example was where the voter's address as written down was slightly different than existing records, like 17895 E. Broadway Ct., #117, and county records had it as 17895 E. Broadway Ct. #171.
Minor transposition error most likely? Should that get the voter's ballot tossed?

By the way, if anyone has any links to images or pdfs of actual absentee ballot envelopes (blank or not), instuctions for "certifying" such, or related info, please let us know.

ABowers said...

Green Libertarian -
Yes, I mostly agree with your procedure recommendations. The Minnesota Supreme Court should charge the SOS and some Board Judges to lay out exactly how to treat questionable issues of date, addrsss, etc. Then all 12,000 should be gone through again and sorted into three piles. 1. Rightly rejected absentee ballots, 2. Wrongly rejected absentee ballots, 3. Challenged ballots. Pile 2 would be sent to be counted. Pile 3. would go to the CBoard for final, final determination.
And of course the campaigns can challenge again during counting.
The Supreme Court really blew this one. What are the chances that Coleman can get an injuction to prevent the ballots from being counted on Friday?
Sure is fun to watch.

st paul sage said...

I have been working against Norm Coleman since he ran for Mayor of St Paul in 1993. He is perpetually unprincipled and insincere.

And Nate is brilliant and has been right about almost everything this year.

But the point of this analysis is quite possibly wrong. The point of this post as I understand it is that we should assume wronglfully rejected absentee ballot voters are the same as the regular voters in a given precinct. So if Coleman won a precinct 46-40-14, then we assume that that's how the wrongfully rejected ballots will come out.

But my sense is that wrongfully rejected absentees are seen as relatively pro-Franken, partly because of the places where the bulk of them come from, but also because like the hand-recounted ballots, the absentee and early voters were more democratic.

If that's so, and I don't know that it is, but I'm hoping that the army of smart lawyers helping Franken do, then Franken can let Coleman deny a few more than they deny and still come out ahead.

Also to give the latest examples, in Ramsey County (the 2nd largest with St Paul) 71 of the pile of 133 were agreed to by the campaigns, with the Coleman camp rejecting 21 and the Franken camp rejecting 33! In Wright County, a conservative area southwest of Minneapolis, the campaigns agreed to send 17 of 29, Franken's camp nixed 11 while Coleman rejected 1.

So it looks like Franken's people are protecting his flank.

I am delighted by the Coleman camp's desperate attempt to blow up the process that they agreed to last week. It clearly suggests that they don't see it likely that they will prevail with the 425 of the 800 ballots that are likely going to the state, that they need to win. Woo hoo!

Coleman's current request is all about the 654 cherry-picked ballots that were rightfully excluded. I can't see how the Supreme Court would agree (as stupid as their original move was) since they would then have to allow Franken to add whatever pile he would like to as well.

The rules are very clear about what a correct absentee ballot is and the rules are applied consistently across the state (that's what the first four piles are).

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政府有关部门统计调查取得的统计数据,与本级人民政府统计机构统计调查取得的统计数据不一致的,县级深圳翻译以上地方深圳同声传译人民政府设立广州翻译公司独立的统计机构翻译公司,,乡、法语翻译
上海翻译公司镇人民政府设置统计工作岗位上海翻译公司
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