I've been turning my attention recently to the House, which is almost certain to be the more active of the two chambers in the first 30-60 days of the Obama Administration. One thing I've determined is that the Democrats turned in a truly dominant performance in elections for the Congress this year, to an extent understated by the 79-seat advantage they now claim in the House.
We can calculate an aggregate popular vote for the Congress simply by adding up the raw vote totals from the 435 elections for the House of Representatives across the country. The Democrats won this year's House popular vote by 8.9 points, roughly matching the 7-8 point advantage they had in partisan identification on national exit polls.
That figure, however, tends to understate the Democrats' advantage. The reason is that in 40 of the 435 Congressional Distrcts across the country, the Republicans did not field a candidate. (This is actually a modest improvement for them; the Republicans failed to compete in 46 races in 2006). By contrast, the Democrats failed to field a candidate in only 14 races.
What happens when a candidate runs unopposed varies from state to state. Some states automatically award him the seat without putting him on the ballot or tallying his votes. The House popular vote total, therefore, will not give any credit to the Democrats when this happens. Other states will put the candidate on the ballot by himself (or against third-party opposition), let the voter punch the card for him, and then tally the results. When this happens, though, there is often a rather severe undervote, since there's not much reason to vote in a contest where you have only one choice.
The upshot of this is that the House popular vote tends to discount those areas where a party is so dominant as to discourage competition, because less competition in a district also means fewer votes in that district. Congressional Districts have roughly the same number of people as one another, and so a fairer way to evaluate the House might simply be take the average of the vote share received by each party across all 435 districts (giving a candidate credit for 100 percent of the vote when he runs unopposed). If we do things this way, then we find that the Democrats won, on average, 56.0 percent of the vote on November 4th, and the Republicans 41.3 percent. That's a difference of 14.7 points, far more formidable than nominal 8.9 point advantage that the popular vote total gave them.
Even in districts where the Republicans did compete, moreover, they were often not truly competitive. The Democrats had 126 districts that they won by 40 points or more (including races that they won uncontested); these are what I call Democrat-Dominant Districts (DDD's). These districts represent approximately half of the Democratic seats in the House, and nearly 30 percent of the House in its entirety. By contrast, the Republicans had only had 30 districts that they won by 40 or more points, of which 22 are in the South.

What characteristics did the DDD's hold in common? In general, they were more urban, younger and poorer (although not any less educated) than the country as whole, and contained a significantly higher share of minorities. But, with 126 such districts, there was quite a bit of room for diversity between them. Basically, the Republicans aren't competitive virtually anywhere on the Eastern Seaboard north of Washington, D.C., and virtually anywhere on the Pacific Coast north of Monterey. They aren't competitive in virtually any dense urban center, or in virtually any majority-minority district (such as the black belt in the South or Hispanic-majority districts in South Texas). Finally, there are a dozen or so districts where Republicans are virtually nonexistant because of the presence of a large College or University. Collectively, that adds up to a lot of districts -- almost a third of the country.
Conversely, the Democrats have very few districts in which they can't play some angle or another. Nearly all of the Republican-dominated districts fit into a particular template: white, Southern, rural or exurban, lower-middle class (but not usually impoverished), low-mobility, with poorly-diversified economies reliant on traditional sectors like manufacturing or agriculture. There are only a couple dozen such districts throughout the country.
One can argue, I suppose, that the Republicans' vote is distributed rather more efficiently than the Democrats. Indeed, they have far fewer wasted votes than Democrats, who have thousands of largely redundant voters in urban centers like Chicago and New York. On the other hand, I can think of at least four long-term structural advantages that the DDD's provide to the Democrats:
Firstly, the Democrats have a pretty strong buffer against Republican gains at the margins, which might be pretty useful to them since parties taking over the White House typically lose seats at the next midterm election. For example, suppose that Republicans gain 5 points across the board in 2010 (so that, for instance, a district which they lost by 3 points in 2008, they'd win by 2 points in 2010). If the Republicans managed to do this, the Democrats would lose just 15 seats, still holding 242 to the Republicans' 193. Suppose instead that the Republicans gained 10 points across the board. Surely that would give them back control of the chamber, right? Not really -- it only nets them 7 additional seats, giving them 200 to the Democrats' 235. Finally, suppose that the Republicans gained 15 points across the board. Even then, the Democrats would retain possession of the House by a narrow 219-216 margin. Put more succinctly, an outright majority of the House is now controlled by Democrats who won their elections by 15 points or more. Even if the political climate shifts back toward the Republicans, they may have trouble getting much bang for their buck.
The second advantage that comes into play is redistricting, which will take place after the 2010 census is completed. If the Democrats' voters are less efficeintly allocated now, they would seem to have more to gain once redistricting takes place and reshuffles them.
The third advantage is resource allocation. Seats that are won by 40+ points require next to nothing to defend, allowing the Democrats to concentrate their resources in more competitive areas.
Finally, there is a synergistic relationship between the vote margin in a particular district and the ideology of the congressman. That is, districts that are won by wider margins can support more progressive policymakers. The Congerssional Progressive Caucus now has 71 members, considerably larger than the Democrats' 47 Blue Dogs. Many congressional districts are so blue that the congressman is theoretically under more threat of losing to a primary challenge on his left than a Republican challenge on his right.
Although the Republicans face an arduous task in crafting a path to 270 electoral votes, finding 218 viable seats in the Congress might represent the more difficult challenge.
12.16.2008
Are the Republicans Still a National Party?
by Nate Silver @ 6:43 PM...see also demographics, house, house democrats, house republicans, ideology, meta, popular vote, redistricting
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I vote NO on the Q
the GOP is now a regional/southern 'party' of limited interests in a small pup tent...
WV - twitie... Sarah Palin is a...
"Many congressional districts are so blue that the congressman is theoretically under more threat of losing to a primary challenge to his left than a Republican challenge to his right"
Colorado 2 aka home of the Boulder Liberals.
Jared Polis spent $5M of his own money on the primary and 38 cents on the general.
Minnesota Canvassing Board Coverage
5:07 PM CT: Coleman +97, Franken +22, Other +41 (After 160 Challenges)
The Canvassing Board has concluded reviewing ballots, for today. After the final ballot was reviewed they went on to talk about the need for each campaign to further reduce the number of challenges brought to the board. The board reviewed 159 challenges put forth by the Franken campaign, and a single challenge by the Coleman campaign which was mistakenly in the wrong pile. Coleman's challenge was overruled and the vote went to Franken.
Very interesting article. The Republicans would be completely powerless if it were not for the filibuster threat in the Senate. The media keeps telling me that the country is still "center right". Wonder how the they would back up that claim? Of course, the media never has to back up anything they say.
"Democrats ... seem to have more to gain than to lose once redistricting takes place."
Really? The state legislatures do that, right? I would be interested seeing a prediction as to how the Congressional districts overall are likely to be affected by redistricting, taking into account which party controls the process in each state.
Great post.
Interesting that I read your post, while happening to watch Huckabee get owned on gay marriage by Jon Stewart.
His insanity on religious is the REASON the repubs are not a national party. Powell is right, Reagan's using the religious right to win, has grown into a Hannity party that lives on hate. Welcome to the South! The home of the America-hating republican party of today!
Wanna see some good lies? Google the Gateway Pundit - a guy with a tax dodging record, spewing lies about the left.
(to prove the tax dodging, search James Hoft on Missouri case.net)
its the old north vs south civil war thing again. but the southern confederacy will never rise again-thankfully.
repubs are all washed up.unfortunately america as a whole has seen a much better day too.
Are the Republicans still a National Party? I asked the same question of the Democrats after 2004.
I was somewhat surprised by the geographic distribution. Not too long ago, everything North of SF, other than Portland and Seattle, was either competitive or leaned GOP. These were logging towns like Eureka, Humboldt and Mendocino in California, Aloha, Corvaillis etc. in Oregon. I can't imagine all the rednecks in Volcanoville and Gridley have suddenly become enlightened, so I wonder if this advantage is anything but evidence of the GOP's organazational disarray in these places?
While just adding up votes in the house may possibly understate the democrats' advantage, your alternative of averaging together percentages almost surely overstates the advantage.
In the 40 races where the GOP did not field a candidate, surely they could have easily won some of the vote, say 15% if they had fielded someone.
I don't want to be critical, but you are out of your element here Nate. It's not strictly a numbers game. The reason that the dems picked off a number of R seats in 2006 and 2008 is that they recruited center right candidates but put a D next to their name.
If they don't vote how they campaigned, they will lose their seat at some point soon.
This is why the house is so volitile. In the house, a small majority is not much different that a large majority on crucial issures. If the leader says they need your vote, you will vote. Too many votes outside of the box and you won't be in leadership and you might find yourself outside of campaign funds next time.
Many congressional districts are so blue that the congressman is theoretically under more threat of losing to a primary challenge on his left than a Republican challenge on his right.
'Theoretically'? Tell that to Al Wynn!
While this is an interesting analysis, I think these things can change rather quickly. I remember being in my college library ~1998 (as far-right Republicanism seemed to be an ascendant and permanent political force) and finding a book published around 1992 talking about how Repubs were unlikely to ever again gain a Congressional majority. We all know how 1994 turned out.
Simply put, while there may be a majority of Dems who happened to win their districts by 15+ this year, with a bad economy, an ineffective or scandal-prone Obama administration, or an effective political effort by repubs to paint congressional dems as far-left socialists, those races could suddenly be toss-ups.
Any Repub with a decent pollster knew that 2008 was going to be a strong democratic year. Given that running for Congress is no small task, I imagine that many solid potential contenders sat out this cycle, staying in their current business, or state gov't role, etc. If 2010 looks to be a better cycle, I can bet they'll be back in force.
A regional party? That's giving them too much credit! We have a majority of congressional delegation in Mississippi, Virginia, North Carolina, Arkansas, Tennessee, and West Virginia. They don't even have the South locked up anymore! Hahaha!!
65 Democratic Congressmen hold seats in districts with a PVR of R+1 or more.
Don't mistake Democratic for liberal. Constituencies that are traditionally at least marginally conservative can still swing either way.
Could you post of map of these districts across the US, like your states, from dark blue to light blue to light red to dark red? It would be interesting for seeing trends and anomalies.
"Many congressional districts are so blue that the congressman is theoretically under more threat of losing to a primary challenge to his left than a Republican challenge to his right"
That almost happened to Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (MI-13) this year. Because of her son's misdeeds as Mayor of Detroit, she barely managed a plurality in the primary. Kilpatrick narrowly won with 39.1 percent, Mary Waters cam in second with 36 percent and Martha Scott earned 24 percent.
As much as I would very much like to see the GOP disappear completely, lets not get too full of ourselves just yet. Remember, it wasn't that long ago they had us on the run.
The GOP does not see itself as losing yet. This is evidenced by the lack of introspection even after their humiliating defeat in this year's electoral cycle. Now, that can be good or bad. One the one hand, they're likely to repeat the same mistakes in 2010; should we function so effectively that the Electorate becomes more open to our Party's platform, we will do well in 2010 is we run against the same platform we did in 2008. The bad side to this is that the GOP still has alot of fight left in them, they have not abandoned the 'win at all costs' approach of Atwater and Rove, and if we let down our guard, they will only be all too happy to kick us below the belt.
Don't celebrate their demise just yet. If we play our cards right, we can render them toothless. There was a period in American History when the party that preceded the Republicans in ideological terms, had ceased to exist, which resulted in an era of non-partisan development and national unity. So it's not inevitable that they will last forever. But it will take alot of work to send the greedy hate-based war hawks packing again.
One word.
Gerrymandering.
Both parties are guilty of it.
The result is a paucity of competition in most districts.
I'm for drawing boundaries with a nod to equalizing party affiliation. Not the only criteria, surely, but it should have more influence than the exact opposite of such that it has now.
Because, unlike greed, competition is good.
The hard-right neocon wing of the Republicans has been damaged, but they won't go away without A LOT of kicking and screaming, every step of the way.
The way I see it happening is that all the hard right social conservative wingnuts will throw out all the moderate Republicans, who will then become Democrats or Independents, and the Democrats gain even more control until the wingnut Party finally evaporates because humanity is advancing.
The overall trend of the country is changing due to DEMOGRAPHICS. The parts of the country, like Northern Virginia, that are experiencing tremendous growth, are become minority-majority. They are filling up with people leaving urban, traditionally liberal strong-holds. They are filling up with immigrants that left areas of "conservative" repression and/or have "socialist" societies. They are often astonished that words like socialist and liberal are treated as deadly insults in a country as prosperous as ours.
And, best of all, THEY ARE LEARNING HOW TO MOBILIZE AND VOTE. The United States are far more progressive and liberal in 2008 than they EVER were in 1908.
I'm not sure redistricting will really distribute liberal voters more efficiently, given the nature of the states that are gaining and losing districts. Gaining: Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Nevada, Texas (2, or maybe even 3 new districts), and Utah. Losing: Iowa, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Missouri, New York, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. Conservative areas are picking up more House seats (and electoral votes) than they're losing. I wouldn't say that this gives the Republicans a huge advantage, but it doesn't give the Democrats one, either
I love this site and read it all the time. Like many people, I'm only commenting now because I dissent somewhat from this post.
Frankly, I would be careful about drawing inferences about either party having an advantage in future elections. Not so long ago people were writing about a Republican "lock" on the electoral college. The GOP also has a slight advantage in House districts because the majority-minority districts "bleach" neighboring districts of Democratic voting minorities (Democratic distribution inefficiency).
Despite both of these structural disadvantages Democrats won the White House and US House. Neither party has a structural advantage large enough to resist big swings in the popular vote.
Finally, I'm also skeptical that redistricting will substantive alter the Democratic disadvantage and produce a more efficient voter distribution across House districts. First there are legal requirements that prevent the dilution of majority-minority districts.
Second, there are political splits between White Democrats and minority Democrats on maximizing the number of minority seats. In numerous state legislature minority Democrats have voted with Republicans to increase the number of majority-minority seats--which render the rest of the House districts friendly to the GOP. State legislative Black and Hispanic Caucus would have to set aside their own self interest in favor of maximizing the Democratic Party interest and the 1990 and 2000 cycles suggest that is unlikely to happen.
Three districts I know of that are misleading are the three Dem-held districts in Arkansas. I have no idea why all three Democratic Congressmen went unopposed, but Obama's best district in Arkansas only gave him 44 percent of the vote.
To: Green Libertarian.
Gerrymandering is vastly over-stated. If you look at the distribution of the presidential vote across all 435 House districts it is close to a normal distribution with the big exception of a spike over on the Democratic extreme for the majority black and latino seats.
Yes, there are states where one party screws over the other party, but at the national level this appears to largely off-set.
Tim, Georgia, Florida, Nevada, Arizona, and Texas are changing rapidly in terms of demographics. Texas in particular is on track to rapidly become "majority minority". As these states grow in population, their urbanization is leading to a shift toward the blue.
Nevada is perhaps the starkest example of this -- rapid population growth combined with strong Democratic party outreach led Nevada strongly into the blue column this round.
Also, the D's control the majority of state legislatures, who do the redistricting, and the majority of the nation's governorships.
The additional structural advantage there is a growing deep bench of experienced candidates willing to run for higher office. There are places where the D bench is deep and the R bench is very, very shallow (I again point to Nevada as an example).
I do still caution, as others do, against interpreting "Democrat" as "progressive", though in many places the word "liberal" has even stopped being a bad word. :)
Funny how people are so short-sighted that they are completely unable to understand that pendulums swing *both* ways.
Tim,
You make an excellent point. Things may not be so simple, however. For example, Nevada and Florida both went Blue this year, and Arizona might have were John McCain not on the ballot. With the right demographic changes, Arizona, Georgia, and Texas could all be swing states in 2012 (certainly by 2016).
Of the states you mentioned, only Utah will be solidly Blue far into the future. Part of the reason why those states are growing is that Democrats (whether from overseas or from Blue states) are moving into them.
I thought all along that Obama was brilliant to put energy into growing states like Nevada, Florida, and Georgia that will have more EVs in 2012.
Of course, this post is about House races, but you get my point.
The real fact is that people are tending to move to places where they'll fit in ideologically, which leads to more "safe" districts. Can you imagine how convoluted a Bay Area district would have to be to even be competitive between the parties, much less a Republican district in the Bay Area?
It's true that the states that are growing the fastest (and therefore getting new districts) are also experiencing demographic changes. But, at least in the short term, I suspect that most of the new districts will be suburban (for instance, suburban Phoenix, Atlanta, Las Vegas, Dallas, and Houston), which, if anything, will slightly favor Republicans. I hasten to reiterate that I wouldn't expect the difference to be decisive.
I assure you Nate that few people, and I mean that sincerely, would like your argument to be valid more than I would. But it's just not.
The truth is that politics is cyclical. It always has been. In fact, I can recall, and with painful accuracy, the number of obituaries written about the Democratic Party following the Gingrich revolution.
And it will come again.
The Dems will screw up, or at least a few of them will. One or two or eight Blagojevich's from now and things will not look so rosy. The problem with political organizations is that no matter how ideal, moral or just are the platforms, in the end they are made up of individuals and individuals are flawed. Throw in a terrorist attack or some other crisis and we will be primed for another Republican takeover.
We are glowing now, yes.
But let us not get arrogant.
The optimum isn't to make all districts competitive. A slight political wind could blow that toward a very unrepresentative result- and maybe not our way. Likewise it's not best to have gerrymandered safe districts, with a near-lock, and often built-in net bias. A disorganized geographically-based mix of safe and swing would be best. We used to have something closer to that than we do now,
Not only did W finish off the GOP's image in the last eight, he's further securing their demise by his non response to immigration. I don't think it'll go blue this next round. But, I'd put money on it we'll see it trending blue. Once the GOP loose their stranglehold on Texas, it's over for a long time to come, unless they evangelize all the immigrants and turn them monolithically into a one issue, pro-life voting block.
Despite recent history and the fact that we tend to remember big wave years the House has very little turnover and incumbants have a built in advantage regardless of party. I think I live in a Dem PVI (almost surely in the 2008 PVI but might not be in the 2004) district that just gave a blowout to our Republican rep mostly through inertia (Damn anyone in VA-11 who was a Obama-Wolf voter). So the Republicans are more likely to win a D+4 that was vacated due to retirement from us than an R+4 against the guy who's been the rep forever. And since the D dellegation will be full of people who want to stay on and continue to work out their pent up ideas from when they were in Minority (despite gains most Dems are either of a vintage between 1994-2004 where they entered with an R majority or they rode out their minority position in congress for more than a decade from a pre-94 vintage), Democratic retirements will be low. The rest are freshman/sophmores who aren't yet acclimated/disillusioned.
On the other hand the R delegation is full of 94ers and later who aren't having any fun as the minority, a position totally outside their carreer frame of reference. A number dropped out after 2006 and more will after seeing 2008 as confirmation that the *best* they can do is ranking minority member on a subcommittee. 2010 will have more retirements from the Rs than the Ds again which will benefit Dems.
And from what I've heard the state house picture has changed substantially for the better of Dems since 2000 so the 2010 redistricting should make a slightly more efficient split of the electorate for Dems (geography will hurt because the dem vote is more urban and heavily concentrated with adjoining Reps harder to find and cancel).
The pendulum swings both ways?
2010.. the year of the Bull Moose Party! (or will it be the Whigs?)
When I hear Republicans talk, they seem to think their big mistake was not being conserative enough. I encourage them to follow that path as far as it takes them.. oh, and to insult Latinos along the way.
WS,
This is predictable. Most of their moderates were wiped out in the general election, and the ones who are left are the party extremists.
Now, I'm sure I don't have to remind you that times of economic chaos make otherwise abominable extremists attractive to desperate people. During the Great Depression, political movements that would never have seen the light of day in less dire times became successful the world over. In the US, figures such as as Eugene V Debs, Father Coughlin, Huey Long, and even Charles Lindbergh (who should have stayed out of politics and kept his reputation intact) all made their debuts on a political scene with desperate audiences willing to listen to just about anybody. This was the era when a third party came the closest one has ever come to viability.
This election was a repudiation of Bush, but the GOP can't see past the man and see the ideas he represented as being odious to the electorate, because their extremists did not fall during the election. Had McConnell and Inhofe lost their Senate seats, then the GOP would be more introspective; as it stands, the evidence supporting the theory that the moderates lost because moderation itself lost is still a possibility to them.
It's winter in America, in more ways than just the one. The economy is frozen, and many people are exposed. If Obama can hasten the coming of spring and summer, then extremists will be less threatening than they are now. Fanatics lose their appeal when things are alright. But for now, they are more dangerous than they seem.
The problem here is that Nate is a numbers guy looking at an issue that is way more complex than just numbers.
Let's not forget that the Republicans controlled the House and Senate just two short years ago. That fact alone should be evidence enough that they quite capable of doing so again.
Make no mistake: if the Dems fail to govern well in the next few years, the GOP will exploit that failure and retake Congress and the White House.
And even though I'm a liberal I think that's a good thing... because while our two-party system definitely has serious flaws, it sure as heck beats a one-party system.
It is easy to have a short term structural advantage, hard to have a medium term structural advantage, and basically impossible to have a long term structural advantage. (A place like Sweden is probably the best example of this, other places with long-serving governments are uncompetitive due to other reasons).
The reason is the opposition party eventually adjusts. Maybe they spend a couple of election cycles deluding themselves as to their optimal winning strategy (see: Limbaugh) but eventually they get sick of losing. And they reposition themselves in a way that makes them structurally even. There is no way, for instance, that demographic changes can result in a long term structural advantage for the Democrats. Either minorities will start voting less Democratic or whites will start voting more Republican. The reason is the median voter theorem: eventually the Republicans will position themselves so as to appeal to about half the voters in an average year.
The democrats are clearly getting cocky. Remember after 2004 everyone was focusing on Karl Rove's infinite majority. The only way to prevent this is to crack down on corruption asap. Make internal punishments so large that not a single human being in their right (or wrong) mind would consider it. Voters don;t just don't like corruption, they hate it. (see: Delay, Tom)(Jefferson, William)
Also, check out my political analysis at lanewsdesk.com
You're going to have to do better than this to convince me, Nate. For example, explaining HOW and WHY things have changed since 2004, when the Republicans were in the majority. Is it just demographics? You are taking a 2008 snapshot, and that just isn't enough to reach any conclusions, IMO.
The doom of the Regressives isn't a near-term threat, although they took a well-deserved beating these last two cycles. Their doom is spelled out as each passing year the population becomes more diverse. The "Party of White Intolerance" works pretty well when the country is 80+% white, and a majority are intolerant whites. It doesn't fly so high when whites are just a plurality.
The "Southern Strategy" chickens are coming home to roost, year by year, as the composition of America changes. Pretty soon, the only thing the "Southern Strategy" will serve up is the south. And that alone isn't going to run the country.
Finally, there is a synergistic relationship between the vote margin in a particular district and the ideology of the congressman. That is, districts that are won by wider margins can support more progressive policymakers.
Nate, the rest of your analysis is reasonable, but this last point just sounds crazy. How can it possibly be a structural advantage for the Democrats to have their national-level politics set by their least-moderate subgroup? Aren't you one of the people who would say that being overconfident and moving too far right is exactly how the Republicans screwed themselves? So why can't it happen to the Democrats? Unless you're going to make the blatantly self-serving argument that the left wing is always more persuasive and electable than the right wing - if so, that would be propaganda, not analysis.
Psst,
I agree that we need an opposition party. I just don't want THAT particular opposition party.
The GOP has drifted very far from it's roots. It's become a religious cult rather than a voice for conservatism.
I'd gladly have the Libertarians as an opposition party. Hell, bring the Greens in, too. But the GOP? Fuck em. If an argument against bailing out companies with bad business models is valid, then so is keeping a party that alienates the American people, foments division, and at best can muster a few crazy religious extremists, corrupt or sexual hypocrites and that's about it for candidates, then they have to be allowed to go extinct. This isn't Jurassic Park here, and if they want to be dinosaurs, then let nature take it's course with them.
No, I see no reason to spare the GOP. If we work hard enough, we can make them an ex-party. The Democrats have outlived the federalists and the Whigs, and a host of third parties, they can outlive these bastards too. We need the GOP like we need cancer.
If they go back to the Eisenhower or Teddy Roosevelt style of Republicanism, I'm okay with that. Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal are not of that caliber, and neither is Mitch McConnell or Tom Cole.
There is a rather large difference between how the republicans gained power from 94-04 and why they got their collective ass handed to them in 06 and 08. Clinton was fairly popular and well liked despite his personal actions throughout his presidency.
That difference is the incompetence and outright anti-constitutional actions of Bush and his barnyard friends.
That is why the republicans are not going to get back up unless they clean out the extreme right wing of their party.
"Aren't you one of the people who would say that being overconfident and moving too far right is exactly how the Republicans screwed themselves? So why can't it happen to the Democrats?"
The dems could never go as far right as the republicans did. As far right as the dems could go would still be considered left by the republican base.
Oh, I'm not suggesting that we write them off as dead yet. I'm saying we need to bust our asses until they are gone, which can happen, and has happened twice already, with the Federalists and the Whigs. This isn't a call to mourn the GOP, it's a call to action. We need alot more of what we gave out during the 08 election cycle, we need good governance, we need to show America the Democrats are a party they can believe in and we need to restore the Constitution, civil liberties, and financial security. Keep punching, and punch harder till the motherfuckers drop.
If the Democrats are going to remain in power for awhile, they're going to have to learn the lesson that the Republicans did not.
That lesson isn't "we're the party of inevitability and the other side is evil!" That didn't work long-term for Republicans and it won't work long-term for Democrats.
Looking at demographics in the long-term and assigning them into today's parties and today's issues is extremely short-sighted. One doesn't know how well various minority groups will integrate into society over the next few decades, what issues will become more important (and which ones will become moot), and even what the political alignment parties will be. The current major parties aren't the way they are due to some Calvinist inevitability.
jdizz-
There's a reason why TR's on Mount Rushmore and has an island in the Potomac River named after him (the whole thing is a giant monument to him- go there and check out the massive statue in the middle of the thing, it's freaking huge), but Reagan never will have any such lasting monuments. The best he can muster is a crappy airport, which I insist on referring to by it's old name, Washington National Airport.
The GOP used to be about 1) conservationism 2) protecting the citizen from corporate trusts 3) protecting civil liberties 4) defiance of the 'military-industrial complex' 5) The Bully Pulpit (read: Give the People What They Want) 6) Equality.
Sadly, the party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and General Eisenhower is now quite dead. All that lives on is this zombie of a party, the same corpse, but no longer vital.
Lincoln would weep if he saw Bush. Roosevelt would throw up. Eisenhower? My guess is he'd throw his shoes at the bastard, which is what every patriotic American should do to commemorate his Presidency-throw their shoes at anyone that evens speaks his name.
I am not sure. One of the blogger here said that people in desperate time turn to extremist people.
Will, the far right Churches are converting more affluent people into their circle because of the economic crisis. The mainline protestant churches are not getting enough convertors.
Since so many people are converting to far right churches and many of them tell them to vote republicans, I am not sure what to think.
Take the blue collar workers and the auto bailout thing. Since blue collar workers are being laid off because the southern republicans destroyed the bailout, than suppose the far right church could go up there and convert them to the far right churches.
Suppose that the unemployed blue collar workers are born again far right Christians in Michigan, and suppose they start voting for southern republican like candidate even though these southern republican like will destroyed more of their jobs?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/nyregion/14churches.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pagewanted=all
If this economy get any worse and southern republicans are doing their best to destroyed it, and the article is correct, than these southern republicans might just be back in power again.
This might make the southern republicans tried their best to destroyed as much jobs as they can in America because they know that they will gain more power thanks to the far right churches.
What is my point you asked?
First, read the article.
Southern Republicans - > no to auto bailout - > economy become worse because blue collar workers get laid off in MI and democratic heavily areas- > far right churches convert them - > votes for a southern republican-like candidate - > Southern Republican has more power to destroyed blue collar workers - > economy become even worse - > more far right Christian converters - > repeat whole process again
"Lincoln would weep if he saw Bush. Roosevelt would throw up. Eisenhower? My guess is he'd throw his shoes at the bastard."
Or, as Jerry Ford was once said to have declared, >"If LIncoln were alive today, he'd roll over in his grave."
wv: scerocus (That's what the Bush administration has done to us)
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There is no way, for instance, that demographic changes can result in a long term structural advantage for the Democrats. Either minorities will start voting less Democratic or whites will start voting more Republican. The reason is the median voter theorem: eventually the Republicans will position themselves so as to appeal to about half the voters in an average year.
That's true...but only matters if what you care about is party levels. If the nation shifts, that "repositioning" that Republicans have to do may be becoming a more progressive party. Liberals should be happy with a competitive two-party system, if it means two progressive parties fighting, even if one is called "Republicans."
The ideals are what matter. If Republicans start winning elections by "repositioning themselves" to be in favour of gay rights, social welfare, universal health care, etc, I'd be happy to see them win elections, as a liberal.
Great analysis about the GOP being a regional party but I think you can measure the Dems party advantage nationally more from the Presidential and Senate races.
Obama will end up winning the GE by about 7.3% when all the numbers are in and Dems won the Senate races by 7.5% in total. So the Dems national advantage is a little lower methinks. But on the local level where populations matter not just electoral politics the Dems have a wider advantage.
Eventually the middle class will tire of being taxed to death after they see what the Democrats have in store for them over the next few years. They will get sick of their money going to bail out overpaid union workers and to pay for benefits to endless waves of illegal aliens. If the Republicans can point this out, and smother the goddamn religious fanatics, they will win again, and the Democrats will be left as the party of those too rich to care and those too poor to pay.
This supports the claims of a lot of conservative pundits who say that the Republican party desperately needs to reinvent itself. It clearly needs to evolve as has happened with the Democrats since Reagan.
Some of this could just be the tail end of the Bush backlash, though. Two years from now, the Dems will likely control the house, but four years may be a completely different matter.
All will depend on how well Obama does during his first period.
Atleast he will be better than Bush, but honestly that is not very difficult...
@Berkeley Bear
The I-5 corridor has more population than rural WA, OR, and Nor Cal.
jdizzle said...
"...And last time I checked the bail out was for the company, not the workers..."
December 17, 2008 2:53 AM
@jdizzle
the same impression crossed to this side of the atlantic ocean.
so you stated deadly correct.
good morning folks.
:)
I have one small quibble with your analysis. On advantage number 2, redistricting is handled by state legislatures, so potential gains for Democrats are much more complex than having massive advantages in congress. Any gains they have will be dependent on their pickups in the state races. If their wins in swing states were accompanied by shifts in state legislatures, than they have real potential to really change things. Otherwise, red states will get more red and blue states will get more blue.
@matador
bon giorno and buona notte,
I've got to get some sleep.
Your west coast insomniac
@ Tim
You stated that while the growth is occuring in the Suburbs and that this favors Republicans, the growth states of Virgina, North Carolina and Nevada has tremendous swings away from being traditional Republican safe states.
Their suburbs themselves are experiencing demographic changes, along with the country as a whole.
Nate's point, if I were to narrow it down correctly, is that the platform and messaging of the CURRENT Republican party just does not play in vast swaths of the country, IN TERMS OF ELECTORAL POWER. While there may be vocal minorities in many of these areas, they do not have enough strength to push the CURRENT socially conservative platforms they desire.
When I lived in Massachusetts, the NUMBER ONE non-sports talk show was hosted by a local conservative. Plenty of people called in to agree with his points. I guess this helped Republicans elect Mitt Romney as governor and got no other significant posts.
"Congressional Progressive Caucus"
Yah, I've been saying for years that if the Republicans kept doing the Religious Right thing, they would eventually fall out of power. You can't make a big stink about abortion, et al., once every four years, then get into power and ignore the issue.
They painted themselves into a box with the religion thing; outlaw abortion and you end up alienating most of the country and destroying your party. But they couldn't shift on the abortion issue, without losing the fundies who made up half of their party. And so, eventually, they'd be screwed.
And now they finally are. Took long enough.
Of course, the abortion example is just one example out of many.
Let's not let up, Democrats. Now that the Repubs are on the ropes, let's smash them down. Don't let up. Sow their fields with salt. Etc...
If the Republicans want to re-form into an actual T.R.-style Progressive party, then I'm all for that. But I never want to see the George W. Bush/Sarah Palin-style wacko religious party rise again. Eight years of that was more than enough, thank you. Reagan sort of started it, which makes for twenty-eight years of gradually increasing craziness. Enough. Let's end it here.
wv - subile - Sort of an intruiging combination of subtle and nubile. Like a more nuance-y Lindsay Lohan, say.
Bill Clinton was a Blue Dog - he campaigned heavily for his wife, especially against Obama.
Obama is a liberal.
America did not choose the Blue Dog over the liberal.
I'm not pronouncing conservativism dead, I'm suggesting that there is more at play here than a mere rejection of Bush. The Democrats did not want to resurrect the Clinton administration-they wanted JFK reborn. They didn't go as far as I wanted them to go (Kucinich would have come out as Prez with Mike Gravel as his VP), but the did move toward liberalism and away from conservativism, even though the Blue Dogs had been pronounced 'inevitable' at the start of this election.
The BD's are still a valuable asset to the party. But they must understand that they are not the majority within the party, and therefore should not be so quick to dismiss liberalism. The Progressive Caucus in the House is larger than the BDC or the New Democrats, or even both combined. Our President is liberal. 4 of the SCOTUS Justices are liberal.
We are not to be fucked with.
1) Obama never tried to portray himself as a centrist. I don't know who you've been talking to, but I come form a place where liberal (despite the GOP's best efforts) is not a curse word. The most popular Presidents of the 20th Century (FDR, JFK, LBJ) were all proudly liberal. Why hide the pride? When you say I admit it, you make it sound like I'm confessing to some sort of crime. Fuck you. I'm a liberal, and proud of it. You're a known neo-con, which is like every other kind of con. And America woke up to the con-job you were trying to pull. That's why you lost.
2) McCain was not maverick. He called himself that. I can call myself an astronaut, that still doesn't mean NASA's going to let me pilot the space shuttle. The American people did not fall for that. His voting record, his embrace of ultra-conservative religious fanatics like John Haggee, his choice of Phil 'Mental Recession' Gramm to as finance chair, no, he was exactly like every other GOP extremist. His choice for VP reflects this. If he were a 'maverick', he would not have sought the approval of the hate-mongering war hawk pseudo-religious pastors of churches that ignore the humanitarian parts of the Bible and insist the rest is an endorsement of a political party.
3) Charisma's only part of the equation. People loved JFK for what he represented-liberalism, peace, unity, equality, an openness to science and new ideas-not just because he was likable. Giuliani is likable, but nobody wants him to be the President. Obama won because of his ideas, because the American people want what he's trying to sell. He's no ruse- he's the real deal. And we're going to prove that to you over the next 4 years, so it's a little early for you to be writing him off.
4) You're in no position to scold me over my tone of voice. You did lose, remember? Unless you want to lose again, step the fuck off.
> They didn't go as far as I wanted them to go (Kucinich would have come out as Prez with Mike Gravel as his VP)
Come on. They may share your views, but they're as unpresidential as one can be (and that's putting it mildly).
As for the GOP's longterm future, well, I don't think they now have the ability to come back to the center. Their base won't let them.
But the Democrats can't destroy the GOP on their own. It'll need a strong third party challenge.
Then the GOP might well go the way of the Federalists and the Whigs.
Charles
Well, look, I really like Kucinich and Gravel alot. I think they'd have made a great ticket, and that's primarily because I think that ideas are what drives the Presidency more than anything else. The best Presidents are the ones who have ideas about how to improve the quality of life for every American. The worst are the ex-frat boys who think that all they have to do is stick a yellow ribbon on their car and wrap themselves in the flag and the cross. Chant a few mindless slogans, or maybe a platitude here and there, "Stay the course!" or maybe a "These Colors Don't Run!". No, I want a President that actually thinks things through. So neither Kucinich or Gravel look like they were the most popular kid in school or football stars. So what? This is the Presidency, not the High School Prom.
I agree, their base has pretty much locked them into an extremist path, and since most of their moderates lost in the general election, it looks like there will be a tendency toward more extremism.
Third party? Shit, bring in a fourth and a fifth while you're at it. I'm okay with that. I like the Greens, and although the Libertarians sometimes look like anarchy-for-the-rich, they're more tolerable than theocrats. Invite your cousin to come along and start another party while you're at it. I'm perfectly okay with multiple parties. I'm a Democrat, but i'm okay with other people having a party to express points of view that differ from my own.
Right now, the Republican Party is the same as the Democratic Party from 1880 to 1960, it´s a southern party.
> So neither Kucinich or Gravel look like they were the most popular kid in school or football stars. So what? This is the Presidency, not the High School Prom.
Sure. It's not on looks that I object to either. They're clowns. Kooks. I don't say so because of their agenda, but because of their overall bearing.
Reminds me of that classic movie line:
"You know it. I know you know it. You know I know you know it. We're a knowledgable family."
As for a "third party", I'm not talking about a party catering to 5-10% of the electorate as the libertarians and greens do (that's about the success their counterparts have in countries with proportional representation).
I'm talking of a mainstream moderate party to the right of the Democrats. A party built around say Bloomberg, Powell and Schwarzenegger. Such a party would have considerable draw.
> I'm talking of a mainstream moderate party to the right of the Democrats. A party built around say Bloomberg, Powell and Schwarzenegger. Such a party would have considerable draw.
Think of Israel's Kadima. Many moderatish Likud defectors plus some Labour stalwards like Shimon Peres. That third party redrew the lines in Israeli politics.
Now it's tougher to pull of the same with the US election system, but a party with the people I named would have huge appeal.
@Charles: the new party could call themselves the "Tories", since "Whigs" has already been used up?
I would like to see a reasonable-conservative party: believers in fiscal discipline, not voodoo; live-and-let-live on social issues, no matter how straight-laced-proud-of-it they are in private life; for strong defense, but not invasions all over the place; in short, an opposition I could disagree with on some issues but not DETEST.
The problem with any supposed pendulum swing back to the Republicans someday is that I meet too many people, in real life as well as on the boards, who DETEST the Repubs as much as I do, and are determined never ever ever ever to vote for anyone from that party again. I don't know exactly what percentage that is (maybe Nate has enough pull with the pollsters to get them to ask such a question?) but I think it is large enough that the GOP can never come back again.
Which means we do need a replacement 2nd party, but that can't happen until the existing one is destroyed. Will it be like the dissolution of the Federalists, followed by the "Era of Good Feelings" and a split in the surviving party? Or like the dissolution of the Whigs, followed by the "Era of Bad Feelings" sliding into civil warfare? Knock on wood.
Nate's analysis is only 1/2 of the story. The REASON Democrats are now the dominant party is that minority voting as a percentage of the total vote is increasing at a rate of around 1% per year.
And non-whites vote Democratic by around 70-30%.
The ONLY region of the country where Republicans can now compete and win at the national level is the South. And that's because white Southerners still vote Republican by 40-50% in some places -- and whites are still the majority.
Everywhere outside the South, Democrats either win the white vote outright or are competitive with Republicans. If you split the white vote and lose minorities by 40 points you lose.
Thus, only in the deep South do you see elections like Mississippi where Obama brought out a huge AA vote, but still lost by over 20 points because he only won less than 20% of Whites. Georgia was another example of this phenomena.
The other places Republicans can still win are the great plains states from Oklahoma to North Dakota, and throwing in Idaho, Wyoming and Utah. None of these states has a lot of EV though.
In short, this is AGING, WHITE RURAL AMERICA. It used to be dominant in the 19th century, and as recently as 2004 Republicans had enough regional appeal in the Midwest to narrowly win the election.
But, that worm has turned. Minorities are starting to vote in the same percentages as whites. As that happens, the Republican party is totally doomed -- unless they can start to appeal to Hispanics and Black voters.
And they've shown no signs of being able to do that -- quite the reverse, their numbers among Latinos are going DOWN as younger, more liberal Latinos replace older more conservative voters. (FL Cuban-Americans under 30 for instance are MUCH more likely to vote Democratic than their elders).
Just to add to:
"The third advantage is resource allocation. Seats that are won by 40+ points require next to nothing to defend, allowing the Democrats to concentrate their resources in more competitive areas."
Dems also probably have an additional advantage in resource allocation in that Democratic seats are in urban areas and would therefore probably cost more to take because of the high price of TV in urban areas.
Without the Powells and his type, the answer is no. The party of Fats Limbaugh and DeLay are a tenuous 5-6 state party with waning ability to steal moderate states.
Third parties have played a larger role in recent years than you realize.
In 1912, the Progressive Party captured 27.4% of the popular vote (!). In 1992, Ross Perot (my friend actually has a car he's nicknamed Ross the Peugeot) captured 18.9% of the popular vote and introduced the half-hour prime time infomercial to electoral politics. The most frightening third party win came from the America Independent Party (George Wallace-AKA America's Scumbag) won 13.5% of the vote, and in 1924 the Progressive Party mentioned aerier came back with a 16.6% share of the vote.
Now, if we're talking fringe groups, I think of that as being like what, maybe 5% or less of the vote. Extreme fringe probably being less than 2.5%. But 25% is not the fringe. That's Main Street, USA.
The political system we have here in the States tends to favor movements within parties rather than multiple parties; however, whenever a party refuses to acknowledge a significant movement within itself, third parties can and do emerge, providing a voice to those who feel disenfranchised by party hardliners.
This can affect either party; should the Dems drive out the Blue Dogs, there may develop a Blue Dog Party. Should the GOP drive out the paleoconservatves, the Libertarian Party could absorb defecting Republicans by offering up a candidate that represents their interests and stands a good chance of winning - Olympia Snowe, are you listening?
And of course, there are always the populists. In times of economic distress, people will listen to extremists and populists when the major political parties are both caught up in the echo chambers on either side and out of touch with the middle. We are now in an economic crisis. While it is hard to imagine it reaching the scale of the Great Depression, it is possible to perceive a return to the economic malaise of the 1970's, especially if there is another oil shock like what we had earlier this year.
Hopefully, Obama will listen to the concerns of Middle America. So long as he stays attuned to the needs of the working class and the middle class, he will not have to worry about third parties or splinter groups. The GOP is in danger of losing it's moderates to a third party, however. Such an entity may or may not replace them; even if it doesn't a spoiler candidate like John Anderson or Ross 'anybody but Bush' Perot can wreak alot of havoc at the ballot box.
So I wouldn't write them off too easily.
If you look all the election between 1992 to 2008 the democrats are very competitive.
I think Bush victory in 2004 against the worst democratic candidate since Dukakis was by more than 300 EV and he won only by 30 EV. The 2004 election and the issues (national security, moral values) was a landslide for the GOP and they only won by 30 EV.
The republican electorate declined after 1988.
Can you imagine how the Roosevelt-Taft-Wilson race would have gone down now in the YouTube era? Taft was what, 350 lbs with mutton chops? Roosevelt had the crazy mustache and monacle thing going, but he looks like the kinds guy that would be fucking awesome to roast a bowl with. Wilson looked like a nice guy that's a bit of a killjoy, and that crack about DW Griffith's Birth of a Nation being what Wilson called accurate history would have come back to haunt him in a seriously bad way. I'll bet you Roosevelt would have swept that election solid had it happened today.
Well, it's not so much that you bag 15%. It's that this only leaves the other two with a max of 85% to get. Split even, that's a smaller than desirable mandate for the winner. It also opens the discussion to larger issues; had Perot not kicked up such a fuss about balancing the budget, Clinton may not have made that a priority; because he did, we zeroed out the national deficit in 1999. So it can have a positive effect to involve third parties/independent candidates.
Besides, it was a cool infomercial. I saw part of it on Youtube.
jdizzle, i compared Dukakis with Kerry.
> @Charles: the new party could call themselves the "Tories", since "Whigs" has already been used up?
He, "Tories" we're the losers in the first American Civil War aka War of Independence. Rather unfortunate name for those reasons, I should say.
Such a mainstream third party would probably go with some vague banality. Some of those banalities have recently been used: "Reform Party", "Unity", etc. It'd be a marketing term rather than ideologically descriptive. Though "CENTER" sounds pretty assertive. We in Germany used to have a party using that name - the precursor to the modern Christian-Democratic party.
> Which means we do need a replacement 2nd party, but that can't happen until the existing one is destroyed.
Well, the GOP is vulnerable to being replaced since its brand is discredited and in the toilet.
Now consider what a genuine centre-right third party challenge could achieve. Perot managed to win nearly 19% with his flaky campaign! At a time when the GOP brand was in reasonable shape.
Now consider what a challenge with respected individuals like Bloomberg, Powell and Schwarzenegger might achieve. I think they could quite easily vault into 2nd party status within one election cycle.
Who knows, if Romney and Hillary had been nominated instead of McCain and Obama, who both had significant crossover appeal, that might have tempted a serious and respected figure to run on the "Unity 08" platform. Bloomberg sure had his weaknesses, but against Clinton and Romney he could have easily outperformed Perot, methings.
I dunno. I mean, the Repugnants were the guys that ran up the deficit under Reagan-Bush, weren't they? It's hard to credit them with balancing the budget, especially since the next GOP President after that was George 'Big Spender' Bush II.
Well, here's another thought. TR and LaFolette both gave voice to disaffected Republicans thru the Progressive Party, and both did surprisingly well at the polls.
If the modern day version of those disaffected Republicans, the guys in the GOP that are all about the economy and slashing budgetary largesse, and not all that concerned with social issues that are really not the government's place to get involved with, if those folks were to bolt from the GOP and rally behind a popular, well-respected moderate Republican (say... Our Lady of Maine), this would achieve the same effect that TR's run against Taft accomplished - it forced the mainstream GOP to do some heavy soul-searching over issues they previously ignored. Sadly, none of that introspection bore any fruit until Eisenhower came along, and only continued until Ford.
Would such a thing shock the GOP into looking inward? It would be pretty hard to wipe them out, and to be honest, I'm not sure I want to. I just want them to stop attacking gay people and the environment. If they could just get back to the separation of church and state, and the TR-style of respect for other living creatures, I'd be okay with them.
Shit, I'd even start wearing a monacle. the moustache, well, I dunno if I could do that, but the monacle, wel....
Bully! Bully!
> In short, this is AGING, WHITE RURAL AMERICA. It used to be dominant in the 19th century, and as recently as 2004 Republicans had enough regional appeal in the Midwest to narrowly win the election.
I'd love to see how a McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis would have done with their historical coalitions but with the 2008 demographics.
Has anyone done such analysis? It would be really interesting to see.
@Charles: yeah, probably the new party will just call itself the "Conservative" party or something similarly drab; I just thought "Tory" would be an awesome name.
It is true that one election is far from enough to kill a party. But with such a sizeable bloc of utterly unpersuadable voters, I just don't see how the GOP ever becomes competitive again. This is not like 1974: I hated Nixon, yet considered voting for Ford in 1976 (didn't, but thought about it). I don't anymore, and won't anymore ever, consider voting for anyone on the Republican ticket, and there are a lot like me. What if in 2010 the GOP still gets 55% from Ozark to Appalachia, but under 35% in the Great Lakes and Pacific Coast, and can't even field candidates in New England? What if there is no sign it will be any better for them by 2012?
wv: ask your doctor about Derensol for your flatulence! Side effects may include impotence, incontinence, and your face turning blue.
What if the GOP were to split?
One party could call themselves the Christian Democratic Party (like the European CDPs)
The other could call themselves the progressive Conservative Party (like the Progressive Conservative Party of Newfoundland and Labrador)
better yet, they should call themselves the Fiscal responsibility Party- to remind themselves never to repeat the big spending neo-con error.
I just want to point this out, my Democratic Representative went unopposed this cycle and I live in West Tennessee. My district includes a lot of small rural towns and cotton fields. I am one of the few liberals I know anywhere near me. I had to argue that Obama wasn't a Muslim before, the only one who dare make the suggestion. In fact, in most of the counties in my district McCain won by more then 20 points. I am certain that if it wasn't our incumbent running, the Republicans would have won.
I'll use the State Senate race that happened near us. The Democratic Senator there was retiring and though he would have easily won if he had run, the Republican beat the Democrat by 7 points and this included a very black county, which was the only one in the state the didn't vote for Alexander for the US Senate.
Now, I bet you the same thing will happen when our Representative retires, so don't just assume that the Democrats are in the bag just because the Republicans decide not to run a candidate against someone as entrenched has Rockerfeller is in West Virginia and spend their limited resources there.
On this whole topic of a third party, wouldn't a party already in existence have the best chance? I was thinking the Constitutional Party would replace the Republicans especially considering they agree on everything.
> What if the GOP were to split?
> One party could call themselves the Christian Democratic Party (like the European CDPs)
Perhaps.
But contental Christian-Democratic Parties are centrist in nature (i.e. less conservative than the Anglo-Saxon brand of conservatism) and while they draw on Christian ethics as part of their philosophical foundation, they actually tend to "talk God" less than most US Democrats.
The stronger Christian-Democratic parties are also to be found in countries with plenty of Catholics, who are far less zealous and more open-minded than many Protestant evangelicals.
Also, Christian-Democratic parties are also very socially minded since the Christian trade unions historically were a major pillar in their movement.
All that makes them more like the US Democrats than the US Republicans.
> On this whole topic of a third party, wouldn't a party already in existence have the best chance? I was thinking the Constitutional Party would replace the Republicans especially considering they agree on everything.
Nope, Danel.
The one only genuine opening I see for a third-party making it big and get beyond mere fringe status is the gaping political vacuum at the centre-right the GOP has vacated.
That's where a Bloomberg/Powell/Schwarzenegger
Eisenhower/Rockefeller party would strike gold.
The Constitution Party is one made up of paleoconservative types like Buchanan, if I'm not mistaken. That's far from being moderate and center-right.
No, you'd need a new party infrastructure. With the right prominent faces defining the party, I think you could very rapidly build up your infrastructure.
I'd like to propose a new party:
The Dress to Get Laid Party.
Let's face it, Obama only had it half right when he said that people cling to guns and religion because the government has refused to help them in times of need.
These people need to get laid. They're not red or blue- just blue-balled.
The problem is, they wear all that plaid, which is very unsexy. Hunter orange is not a fashion statement you want to make. Ask yourself, who in their right mind would want to blow Larry the Cable Guy?
Help Larry get laid by instilling real American values, and good fashion sense, into these poor, depraved souls. They need to discharge something, which is why they turn to guns when they can't get what they really need.
Give the Midwest a decent haircut. Let's abolish the mullet once and for all, and make America beautiful once again.
America, I call upon you to buy a decent suit for your neighbor. Teach him that polyester is not the way. Show them that cammo and paisley are the root of all evil. Open their eyes as to how much more kissable they become when they quit chewing tobacco.
America, you've got alot of pent up tension in you. And we know that when you hate to pull out of Iraq before your done. Nobody wants to discharge too quickly. But the Iraq War was not consensual. And when we send our troops in unprotected, you invade not only Iraq, but every country Iraq has ever invaded too. Which means, America, Bush is a slut.
But this does not mean Amer4ica that you cannot get laid. It means we must pursue healthy, protected intercourse with friendly neighbors. Canada is your condom, America. Florida is your penis, and Cuba your money shot.
We must unite as one, and get a grip on ourselves. We must gently ease our way into better relationships with our neighbors, in a committed, loving way. No more of this brutal, violent and non-consensual behavior. I call upon you to reform your fellow citizen, and help this country get laid.
Love thy neighbor Canada as thyself! Spread joy to your brothers in Mexico, not forced economic submission.
Yes, America, you can still be kinky. By adopting the SAFE WORD Act, we will promise as a nation to pull out immediately when our partner countries have been satisfied.
I call upon you to join me in achieving this release. Give your neighbor a hand. Reach over to the South and give Florida a good wank. End this division and strife with a loving touch. Place your lips upon the South, and gently blow away the frustration!
Unite, America! Join the Slap an Tickle Ticket today, and Do It For Your Country!
Danel: I'm sorry but you can't tell anything by Tennessee! Tennessee is a right-wing cracker state where scum like Mule Humper form the majority of the white vote.
Tennessee has been moving in the OPPOSITE direction from the rest of the country, as has generally the rest of Appalachia.
You can't tell us anything about America by talking about how Appalachia is turning more red! KY, TN, WV, these states used to be more swing-states that a moderate Democrat could win.
But, while the rest of America has been moving left -- led by minorities and urban dwellers, Appalachia has been moving back into the 19th century.
I fully expect them to try and resurrect Jim Crown any time now.
Fortunately, they are also totally irrelevant! Republicans can have Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas and Oklahoma which have all been tending more red. They're losing Virginia and Florida and North Carolina. They've permanently lost the mid-west and the west (outside of Utah, Wyoming and Idaho). They're simply absent in the Northeast and in the far west they're limited to rural areas far from any city.
For what it's worth, I did a similar analysis of state House & Senate races in Missouri.
The situation is that you have basically four types of districts:
1. Competitive.
2. Democrat lock. Typically urban, usually votes 80-90% for the democrat, most often the candidate is unopposed.
3. Republican leaning. Typically rural or small town. Usually seemed about 60%-40%.
4. Republican lock. 80-90% Republican votes, usually running unopposed. There are only a very, very few of these.
Districts seem about equally distributed among types 1, 2, and 3. There are only a very few type 4.
The result of this situation is that depending on which races you look at, the popular vote was somewhere between a 50/50 split and a 5% Democratic lean.
Democrats won almost all statewide races (Governor, Attorney General, Auditor, etc. The Presidential race was of course very close to a tie.)
But despite the good-sized advantage for the Democrats in the popular vote, the Republicans are *firmly* in control of both the Missouri House and Senate.
MO Senate (half of senators were up for a vote this year)
Popular vote: Dem - 49.9%, Rep - 48.9%
Democrats lost two seats to Republicans this year and made no gains.
Total Senate Seats: Dem - 11, Rep - 23 (32% to 68%)
Diff between popular votes & seats: 36.3% in Rep favor
MO House (All seats up for re-election this year)
Popular vote: Dem - 52.1%, Rep - 46.7%
Seats: Dem - 72, Rep - 89 (45% to 55%)
Diff between popular votes & seats: 15.9% in Rep favor
The interesting result is that rural and small town interests dominate the Missouri legislature, even though they are a minority of voters in the state. For instance, legislators from the St. Louis & Kansas City metro areas hold almost no leadership positions in the legislature, despite the fact that they hold about half the state's population.
You can find all the election data here--you're welcome to do your own analysis and find all my mistakes:
http://www.sos.mo.gov/enrweb/allresults.asp?eid=256
As others have noted, this is a very problematic analysis. Yeah, there's 126 (I actually counted 129) districts where the Democrat either ran unopposed or won by 40 points or more. But a lot of those seats aren't actually safe for any Democrat - just for the current Democratic incumbents. Note the following representatives, supposedly in "Democratic Dominant Districts":
1. Marion Berry in Arkansas 1
2. Ed Snyder in Arkansas 2
3. Mike Ross in Arkansas 4
4. Charlie Melancon in Louisiana 3
5. Collin Peterson in Minnesota 7
6. Dan Boren in Oklahoma 2
7. Bart Gordon in Tennessee 6
8. John Tanner in Tennessee 8
9. Rick Boucher in Virginia 9
10. Alan Mollohan in West Virginia 1
More broadly speaking, just because a congressman won by a huge amount, or was unopposed this year (or won by 20, or whatever) does not mean that they need a huge nationwide swing against the
Democrats to be defeated. There's plenty of Democrats who won by double digits this time who could theoretically be beaten by a much smaller swing in the national numbers - assuming the Republicans can recruit a decent candidate to oppose them, and raise the money to make the race competitive.
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