11.04.2008

What Will We Know by 7 PM?

Andrew Gelman of Columbia University has taken a recent set of our simulations to look at what may happen conditional on the outcomes of the first states to close their polls at 6 and 7 PM. The bottom line? If those states go roughly as expected (meaning, say, an Obama win in Virginia and a close race in Indiana), we can conclude with almost literal 100 percent certainty that Obama will win the election:

Now, what if the vote margin in Virginia, Indiana, Georgia, South Carolina, and Kentucky were to equal the expected -5.7%? We pipe this assumption through our model by calculating, for each of our 10,000 simulations, the average vote margin in these five states, and then restricting our analysis to the subset of simulations for which this vote margin is within 1 percentage point of its expected value (that is, between -6.7% and -4.7%). Out of our 10,000 simulations, 2800 fall in this range; that is, we predict there is a 28% chance that McCain’s average vote margin in these five states will be between 4.7% and 6.7%. What is of more interest is what happens if this occurs. Considering this subset of simulations, Obama’s expected national popular vote margin is +4.7%, his expected electoral vote total is 343, and the conditional probability of an Obama victory is 100%: he wins the electoral college in all 2800 simulations in this condition.
Andrew's full paper can be found here. (And don't forget to buy his book).

307 comments

Shap said...

First? Wow.

Dmitry said...

SEAN IS A FAT LOSER DOUCHEBAG. FUCK YOU SHAWN.

kilioopu said...

Ohmygod! I'm first??

Dmitry said...

shap, no one's amazed.

PeteKent said...

Ready for a MCCAIN LANDSLIDE, LIBS?!?!?!?!?

Dmitry said...

No, you're not first.

Shap said...

Uh oh. DNFTT

Smunker said...

Poop.

Nate, will you be doing a 'wrap-up' post to analyze how close you were, and if you weren't, the reasons why not?

dineu- self cannibalistic restaurant.

PBizzles said...

FOURTH

phil said...

I'm increasingly doubting that we'll have fully reported results for any of those states anytime soon when the polls close. It'd be neat if you could run the same recalibration tests with county results instead of statewide results.

Dylan Hardie said...

Nate, how did you write all that within 2 minutes of going off air on Fox?!

livemild said...

thanks Nate , worried you were going to leave us with your last post.

dmitry -just leave

Shap said...

When do we start getting (meaningless) results from the exit polls?

dedduct: exemptions from your estate taxes

kilioopu said...

Okay. Real comment. I plan to watch the returns come in state by state. I'm eager to see how Nate's model does in predicting across all states.

Nate, do you make it out to San Diego ever? I'm the chair of the CSE department of UC San Diego. It might be really instructive for our folks here to hear about the web side and computation side of your site. It's awesome and would be inspiring to our students.

thene said...

I'm not betting on BHO to win in GA, but I'm definitely expecting McCain's margin to be under 4.7%. I guess he'll have to rely on South Carolina and Kentucky to pull his average up...

wv: lazenyls: a cyberpunk weaponised manicure.

Jason said...

Sixteenth!!!

windsurfer_2003 said...

anyone know how heavy the turnout is in philly? it is very heavy in virginia.

livemild said...

i am getting mixed word of the election turnout.
anyone hear much if it is a high or low turnout?

Josh said...

Hey Nate, how did you make this post when you were interviewing on Fox News at the EXACT SAME TIME huh? Riddle me this

Dmitry said...

livemild, you leave, liberal loser douchebag. Leave America.

YOU STUPID LIBTARDS WILL BE WISHING MCCAIN WON WHEN YOU'LL BE STUCK AT 59 SENATE SEATS.

t. lief tepper said...

7 pm?! PST or EST, gee Nate, that's all that counts. The rest is proving the obvious

Jack-be-nimble said...

You may know the final outcome, but all networks are prohibited from calling the election prior to when the polls close in the Pacific time zone.

We have many critical undercard races as well ballot initiatives that shouldn't be influenced by idiot networks.

The media should let the election happen and stop trying to influence it.

Norm said...

Dmitry

Why so serious?

GaMeS said...

Ooooh, that looks cool. Wish I had the raw simulation data to play with. =)

livemild said...

dmitry-
i am an american-
NO ONE WANTS AMERICANS-
havent you heard we are ugly and warmongers. i cant blame them for not wanting us we have behaved like total jerks.

btw- i will be happy with 59 this election next we will make it 99.

Becky Sharp said...

77-78% turnout predicted for MI Warmest election day since 1973

rodrett said...

Where's petekent? Must be busy fitting a condom on a banana.

Blame said...

Josh said...

"Hey Nate, how did you make this post when you were interviewing on Fox News at the EXACT SAME TIME huh? Riddle me this"

The secret is out. Nate is really a consortium of scientificly engineered clones.

tony said...

I've waited nearly thirty years for this.

A message for Kristol, Cheney, Perle, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Libby, and the other PNAC wackos who hi-jacked the Republican party:

It's over. Your plans for hegemony and full spectrum dominance, far from strengthening America, have almost destroyed her as an international force for good.

Likewise Rove:

The game's up. You can't fool all the people all the time with the politics of fear and smear, and the ruthless waging of culture wars.

Idem Milton Friedman (deceased) and the Chicago boys:

Your snake oil economic theories have been exposed for what they are: as a toxic mix of ideology and false accounting that benefits only the ultra rich.

Let us fervently hope that this massive defeat will consign you all to the dustbin of history.

To the American electorate:

Good job, and a great day for Uncle Sam's fair land.

wv: weerro how Neo-cons will be feeling tomorrow

RWD said...

"i am getting mixed word of the election turnout."

that's because all you're getting are anectdotal reports, which will be all over the board.

MysticLaker said...

ohio = 80%
virginia = 75%

turnout...

MysticLaker said...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1108/Virginians_flock_to_polls_.html?showall

virginia turnout

PorridgeGun said...

How McCain Could Win

http://www.gregpalast.com/section/articles/

http://www.truthout.org/110308A


Steal Back Your Vote

http://www.stealbackyourvote.org/




This Election's Katherine Harris, Glenda Hood and Ken Blackwell

Indiana Secretary of State: Todd Rokita

http://www.in.gov/sos/

Colorado Secretary of State: Mike Coffman

http://www.sos.state.co.us/


Georgia Secretary of State: Karen Handel

http://sos.georgia.gov/

GUD Magazine said...

Here's to hoping for prop 1 in michigan, 1a in california, and NO ON 8 in california.

my polling place was possibly busier than previous times, but there were no lines, so hard to say. we have a lot of booths for a pretty small area. rural north-east los angeles.

A friend says he saw long lines at his polling place, which is (he says) usually empty. That's in hollywood, give or take.

petrag - tagging in the style of petraglyphs.

Becky Sharp said...

>>"i am getting mixed word of the election turnout."

Most of the MSM write the turnout headlines the day before

coagra: medication for senior orgies

mizack2 said...

My nipples are rock hard in excitement for this election.

sherifffruitfly said...

hahaha!

You realize that at some point you're going to have to explain the difference between "probability = 1" and "certain" is.

I.e., you'll have to explain what a measure 0 set is.

I look forward to the attempt. :P

Dead Cat Bounce said...

Yeesh, who are you guys listening to? All I hear are reports of massive turnout everywhere.

Mule Rider said...

tony,

Too bad you are too much of an ideological bigot and moron to get it. Probably didn't finish high school yet you speak of economics as if you understand it in the slightest. Quit regurgitating liberal talking points. No one likes to see vomit spewed everywhere.

wv = nicater - a distant cousin of nicotene

St. Nick said...

All you need to know:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuhpO9xG2MY

Chak said...

Any indication of the youth vote? Are they coming out to vote?

GUD Magazine said...

p.s. long-time reader, first-time commenter. ;) occasional spreader-of-word.

bulnese - nationality referring to those swayed too easily by politicians.

lars said...

In a distant but happy future an old man is talking to his grandchildren...

"Yessiree, back in '08 I first voted for Obama. and THAT was before he was cloned!"



wv: rathend Nate ends the campaign with Rather tonight.

jeremy said...

Why is everyone from the Obama campaign acting so freaking dejected in their interviews?

murrman said...

So what will we know by 7pm tomorrow? What does one say to a troll like PeteKent? Will they choose to get on board to build a better America or will they try everything they can think of to hinder, disrupt, or de-legitimize the Obama presidency?

Go read the posts on fox news. They're going to be one depressed, desperate group tomorrow, liable to do anything. I'm not sure they'll buy into the whole we're one America thing. Thoughts?

mizack2 said...

only 3.75 hours until real joe's surprise.






WV= Nalin

.......uhh..... hmm. I won't go there.

David said...

take the old Janet Jackson song...Rhythm Nation and change it to Obama Nation....that's about to be our new National Anthem...ha ha ha

Mule Rider said...

We are not one America. Obama himself had to demoralize and demonize and attack several subgroups and segments of it to gain broad and massive appeal in many of the other groups. Fortunately for him, he appeals to a majority of voters. That doesn't change the fact that he has led a campaign of hate and attack against several blocs of voters within the electorate.

Sedi said...

"If those states go roughly as expected (meaning, say, an Obama win in Virginia and a close race in Indiana), we can conclude with almost literal 100 percent certainty that Obama will win the election"

Yep, that's about right. The only possible chance that McCain has is if ALL of the polling is way off and in the same direction. If Obama takes VA by anything more than a razor-thin margin, he's the next POTUS. There is no chance of PA flipping if Obama holds VA by even a couple of points, and McCain has no plausible path to victory without PA or VA. None.

Voice of the Midwest said...

"YOU STUPID LIBTARDS WILL BE WISHING MCCAIN WON WHEN YOU'LL BE STUCK AT 59 SENATE SEATS." (Dmitry)

Read what you wrote and you will realize how desperate it sounds.

Collins and Snowe of Maine make 60. They can't afford to be tied to the hard right. Lieberman is only off of the reservation on Iraq and that ends soon.

59 seats with friendlies on the right is MUCH better than 51. Veto proof majority is not a problem with a steady, populist agenda.

I suggest a political science course at a local community college.

SP said...

Only 75% turnout in Virginia? That's a bummer. We netted somewhere around 70% in 2004, and considering this one is supposed to have a more motivated electorate, I'm really disappointed.

Drew914 said...

We are not one America. Obama himself had to demoralize and demonize and attack several subgroups and segments of it to gain broad and massive appeal in many of the other groups. Fortunately for him, he appeals to a majority of voters. That doesn't change the fact that he has led a campaign of hate and attack against several blocs of voters within the electorate.


And McCain/Palin have not? That's hypocritical

Shap said...

What does one say to a troll like PeteKent?

NOTHING. Do. Not. Feed.

Mule Rider said...

Obama HAS and WILL CONTINUE to divide this country.

He IS NOT a uniter. He has used digusting and hateful rhetoric against several demographic and socioeconomic voting blocs within the electorate.

He wants to rule with just as much (or more) fear and hate as the last (current) administration.

mizack2 said...

Man.. Jerome Corsi really influenced the outcome of this election, didn't he?

wv=arysti

Becky Sharp said...

I'm glad the regulars are back. All those hippie song lyric were weirding me out. Thought I was in Marin County

trosser: how Scotsmen keep their legs warm

David J said...

Uh oh, Nate. The guys over at Free Republic have concluded that you are a paid operative of the Obama campaign, and have MANY problems with your statistical modeling! They're on to you!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2124541/posts

(Just to be certain, my tone above is intended to be sarcastic. But I'm a quivering mass of anxiety today, so don't know if I'm able to adequately convey that right now.)

MysticLaker said...

@jerermy

My guess is that they don't want to gloat. I think the message tonight will be getting us to come together.

That's the campaign message the whole time, and Obama will stick to it today.

I didn't see the interview you are referring to.

obama's grandmom died as well. probably not a great time to gloat.

Mason said...

kilioopu-
How's the surf today?

War Hussein Obama said...

dmitry and mule rider.

maybe the two of you should get together and cry while the rest of us celebrate tonight

good ole fashioned pity party

i want to watch your frowned up faces on webcam as the results come in.

obsessed said...

on the subject of expectation management

I assume that for the early closing states like FL, GA and VA, the first results that are released are likely to be the early votes. If so, it will give us a ridiculously high early total for Obama. So I guess we need to take the most reasonable poll that has crosstabs for early voting and compare the first results to that.

justin32099 said...

"Only 75% turnout in Virginia? That's a bummer. We netted somewhere around 70% in 2004, and considering this one is supposed to have a more motivated electorate, I'm really disappointed."

sp--

Well, the statement was "more than 75 percent," so it could be even better. Even if it was only 77%, for example, a 10% improvement is considerable. Put another way, a quarter of voters who didn't vote in 2004 would this time. That's substantial.

Neal said...

Jeremy -

Probably because they are running on fumes right now after working so hard to get here. Plus, I am sure they are nervous, because while things are looking good there are no sure things until the votes are counted.

wv: hangsv (someone who hangs out in virginia)

John said...

Mule Rider said...
Obama HAS and WILL CONTINUE to divide this country.

He IS NOT a uniter. He has used digusting and hateful rhetoric against several demographic and socioeconomic voting blocs within the electorate.


Provide one concrete example of this - a direct quote from Obama where he specifically attacks a demographic - or shut the fuck up. Provide proof or SHUT THE FUCK UP.

RWD said...

"Only 75% turnout in Virginia? That's a bummer. We netted somewhere around 70% in 2004, and considering this one is supposed to have a more motivated electorate"

Turnout doesn't rise in a linear fashion like that. The potential to increase gets smaller as the turnout goes up...in other words, it takes a lot more to get the turnout from 70 to 75 than it does to get it from 50 to 55.

PeteKent said...

I am hearing anecdotally about an explosion in turnout, white middle class for the most part is swelling. I think this is a pro-Obama vote.

I am calling it:
O -- 54%
M -- 44%

I think Obama will get upwards of 400 EVs and am putting a floor at 375.

McCain will be lucky to get OH or FL.

The white flag of surrender!!!

I can read the polls and filter in the media reports.

On the Senate side, McConnell will hold on by his toenails and all but Coleman and Stevens will win.

Upsets? Not McConnell, but Dole will win only if McCain pulls NC well (unlikely). Expect Lautenberg to be turned aside as NJ will want to voice its frustration against one party rule.

Shays will survive and Murtha will fall.

Murtha will be the story of the Night -- that and Obama's huge mandate.

TBender said...

He wants to rule with just as much (or more) fear and hate as the last (current) administration.

Have we been watching the same election?

Mule Rider said...

McCain/Palin are not the issue. Yes, they too HAVE BEEN divisive. No question. But they are destined to lose and lose badly.

Thus, the issue is over who actually will lead us. And he is a divisive and fear-mongering leader.

wv = senet - what our Senate will be referred to once we become a socialist, third world backwater

Shap said...

Mule Rider:

Is that how people feel in 'real' America?

Out here in fake, anti-America (aka Denver), people are excited to unite and help this country heal.

Real Joe said...

sp said...
Only 75% turnout in Virginia? That's a bummer. We netted somewhere around 70% in 2004, and considering this one is supposed to have a more motivated electorate, I'm really disappointed.




"It's a phenomenal turnout," Virginia's secretary of state Jean Jensen

mizack2 said...

David J,

My job blocks free republic, can you copy and paste any good tardisms from over there? pleeaseee?

Shap said...

And he is a divisive and fear-mongering leader.

Of course, what could be scarier than Hope?

Daver said...

Isn't Libtard a sandwich spread?

War Hussein Obama said...

NO MORE JOE THE PLUMBER!!

WakeUpEverybody said...

Thanks Nate. All these polls are so interesting. I'm geekin out here.

obsessed said...

i want to watch your frowned up faces

I want to watch your frowned up faces 2 years into the hoped for Obama presidency and see how much better your economic, health care, and personal liberty situations have become.

janicestarrb said...

Please vote Obama! I'm poor and want your money. Thx!

rodrett said...

mule rider you just love to read your own posts, don't you? You are just a big republican blow hard. You obviously haven't been to a McCain or Palin rally. Talk about hate and divisiveness! Please go sell that to some like minded people like yourself that'll believe just about anything.

Gen Sherman said...

There is no massive turnout in SW MO. Maybe lines of 3-5 with less than a minute wait. Looks like in this area the Republicans are demoralized (being heavily Republican).

Compared to Democratic strongholds in KC and St. Louis where the turnout is enormous. MO blue.



wv: mistio, Spanish for mystery.

tony said...

Mule Rider said...

tony,

"Too bad you are too much of an ideological bigot and moron to get it. Probably didn't finish high school yet you speak of economics as if you"


Actually sonny I went to a rather good university. You may have heard of it. Oxford, the same university that boasts one William Jefferson Clinton as one of its alumni.

The only bigot round here is you.

You lost. Grow up and get over it.



wv andod: and an overdose (of neo-con trolls)

mizack2 said...

sp, consider this. There are more REGISTERED VOTERS in Virginia this year. 75% of the voters including the thousands that have signed up is actually a good sign.

TBender said...

My job blocks free republic

Bless your IT department.

murrman said...

Mule Rider said...
Obama HAS and WILL CONTINUE to divide this country.

He IS NOT a uniter. He has used digusting and hateful rhetoric against several demographic and socioeconomic voting blocs within the electorate.

He wants to rule with just as much (or more) fear and hate as the last (current) administration.



See what I mean?

Dead Cat Bounce said...

They have problems with his statistic modeling because he doesn't apply an arbitrary 10% shift toward McCain the way all the wingnut bloggers do in predicting McCain will win.

samule said...

honestly porridgegun, no offense but you're starting to be annoying posting the same alarmist post on every single thread...

just saw some McCain spokesperson on Msnbc, still the same BS about being really close in Pennsylvania and turning all the other battleground states...but with less and less confidence

apparently the Obama campaign only managed to rise the AA participation by 1%...ROFL

obsessed said...

I'm surprised McCain hasn't pre-announced Joe the Plumber for Secretary of State. He and Sarah would make a fine nucleus to build a Republican administration around.

War Hussein Obama said...

obsessed, are you scowling? I wish i could see, describe your little scrunched up face?

hi ho said...

I saw Nate on Fox! Good job, Nate, and they were very well-behaved over at Fox news.

I'm glad you're on tonight with Dan Rather. Even though I like Chris M. and Keith O. I'm not sure I can stand a whole evening of election returns with them.

wv: foaxing: what Fox had to do to get Nate to give them an interview!

David J said...

"Only 75% turnout in Virginia? That's a bummer. We netted somewhere around 70% in 2004, and considering this one is supposed to have a more motivated electorate, I'm really disappointed."

Also, isn't that 75% of registered voters now compared to 70% of registered voters in 2004? Dems have been so active in getting new people registered since 2004 that you have to consider that this is 75% of a much higher number than it was in 2004.

jpindenver said...

Verily, on the fourth day of November, there was much gnashing of troll teeth upon the 538.com board.

Pole Rider, dim-witry and Jack-be-losin' - please stick around today. It's soooooo entertaining~

Delicious.

SHERWICK said...

"PeteKent said...
I am calling it:
O -- 54%
M -- 44%"

What happened to the people in the woods? Did they get lost?

Real Joe said...



'Unprecedented' turnout in key states

Becky Sharp said...

link real joe?

Mule Rider said...

Proof?

The "cling to guns and religion" comment.

The constant smearing of people who are more well-off than the majority of society. He is constantly deriding those people about not paying their "fair share" and how they need to share the wealth. Whatever your feelings on the tax code or whatever, it IS an attack to demonize people who have more money than everybody else.

Andy JS said...

Sorry to have to say this, but I think from now on those Republican blogs are gonna be a lot more fun to look at.

War Hussein Obama said...

i'm enjoying the trolls getting sprayed with poisonous reality.

shadow7 said...

Correction: The faux 'news' networks can predict the election once enough states are called that total 270 for a candidate. They do NOT have to wait until all the polls close across the country. We will know early in the evening that Obama will be tne next president. The rest of the evening will cover Congressional and local results and the margin of victory.

Bilbo Hussein Baggins said...

Some of the "reserve" shown by Obama folk may have to do with his grandma having died yesterday...apppearances and all.

*proprown* How one pronounces popcorn with a mouth full of popcorn.

bamaObama said...

Repug UNDERvote will be the other story of the day, nationwide.

termometropolitico said...

Folks, have a look at those articles:

USA Presidential Election - Projection!

why Obama will win Virginia and Colorado!

The definitive proof that McCain can't catch Obama!


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We will call the states few minutes before the CNN and the other media using the Lollomedia
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SHERWICK said...

Breaking News Alert!

Tens of thousands of McCain supporters lost in Yosemite Park! National Guard called in for mass rescue!
Developing...

El Oso said...

IGNORE THE TROLLS!

They will go away just like every other thread. They're not even there

Mason said...

What happened to the people in the woods? Did they get lost?

The ultimate allies of America-haters ate them on their way to the polls.

Colbert was right. All Ursan-Americans are traitors.

andrewswift said...

First drink in barely over an hour.

Becky Sharp said...

>>IGNORE THE TROLLS!

Oh but the trolls are fun when you're winning!

waxcali: hair removal, west caost style

Sedi said...

"I am calling it:
O -- 54%
M -- 44%

I think Obama will get upwards of 400 EVs and am putting a floor at 375."

Um...[looks around to make sure that the world still exists]...I think that your analysis, though generally on target, is slightly optimistic for Obama. Seriously, though, I find it so puzzling that you are capable of producing cogent analysis, Pete Kent, but simply choose not to. Of course, those of us who were around for the bizarro post knew that you are capable of it.

Beckee said...

"anyone know how heavy the turnout is in philly? it is very heavy in virginia."

Philly report from about an hour ago says it's heavy:

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/cityhall/So_far_so_good_says_Watchdog_Group.html

wv: miscep, as in McCain choosing Palin was one

Buckeye said...

Only 75% turnout in Virginia? That's a bummer. We netted somewhere around 70% in 2004, and considering this one is supposed to have a more motivated electorate, I'm really disappointed.

--------------------------
75% of the numbers for 2008 and not 2004. and polls have not closed yet. ANd, maybe the McCain support is down from what Bush's support was in 2004. QUit bellyaching!

Dead Cat Bounce said...

One cautionary note, though: You guys expecting the freepers and other wingnuts to admit defeat are going to be disappointed. The instant Fox calls it for Obama, the discussion will shift from "How McCain will Win" to "How the Democrats and ACORN Stole the Election." You can expect Malkin, Hannity et al. to milk this for everything it's worth.

Personally, I'm a little concerned about another Oklahoma City in a year or two.

K from VA said...

Anyone else notice that the McCain/Palin ads are gone from 538?

I havent seen one since very early this morning

PeteKent said...

Watch the margin in KY. Under over is around 10% early in the night.

IN could speak volumes, though bear in mind it bucked the late primary trend.

Once we see how VA and NC are shaping up we will see how the evening is shaping up. Nothing profound there, except it will give us a sense of Obama's propensity to over poll. Bear in mind though until we get at least 50% of the precincts we can't say too much about the extent of it.

Of course if McCain loses NC and VA the election is over, as Nate has noted.

Any word on early exit polls? Nothing on Drudge – must be bleak.

Sign me, A McCain Concern Troll/Ex-PUMA

Real Joe said...



Va. Gov Tim Kaine :

“Virginians are turning out in record numbers to vote in today’s historic Presidential election, despite the weather. The State Board of Elections is working closely with local election officials to make sure that voting runs smoothly, and we are confident that the problems that some precincts have encountered are being addressed promptly and resolved quickly."

Mule Rider said...

I agree with what obsessed said, I hope to see your frowned up faces in just a year or two when Obama hasn't done a damn thing to improve anything - and it's far likely to be much worse.

You will see. This will be a failure of colossal proportions. Bad. To Worse. To Irreperable.

PeteKent said...

Watch the margin in KY. Under over is around 10% early in the night.

IN could speak volumes, though bear in mind it bucked the late primary trend.

Once we see how VA and NC are shaping up we will see how the evening is shaping up. Nothing profound there, except it will give us a sense of Obama's propensity to over poll. Bear in mind though until we get at least 50% of the precincts we can't say too much about the extent of it.

Of course if McCain loses NC and VA the election is over, as Nate has noted.

Any word on early exit polls? Nothing on Drudge – must be bleak.

Sign me, A McCain Concern Troll/Ex-PUMA

Mrs B said...

@sherwick

the people in the woods didn't have transport. It's a long way to walk to get to a polling place if you're out in the forest.

samule said...

The "cling to guns and religion" comment.

The constant smearing of people who are more well-off than the majority of society. He is constantly deriding those people about not paying their "fair share" and how they need to share the wealth. Whatever your feelings on the tax code or whatever, it IS an attack to demonize people who have more money than everybody else.

I'm not sure the people he meant earn more than 250.000 $, so what the hell are you talking about, lol

and yes there are people who are frustrated and have nothing else to do than shooting around in the woods and they mostly vote republican.

TomA said...

Huge Turnout = Long Night, right?

I'd love to be able to see such positive signs early (Virginia and Indiana as predicted by the model) -- but while huge turnout is great for democracy and probably favors Obama, doesn't it mean that we'll have to wait longer for the results to be tabulated?

Don said...

Some of the meanness here does a serious disservice to the candidate purported to be supported. Neither is perfect, but neither is an angel from Hell, either.

Lighten up.

Antmatic said...

*** cue ominous music ***

Who is Real Joe?

He says "I have a surprise to announce at 7 PM"

How mysterious.

He acted like a conservative, but now is content with an Obama victory?

How confusing.

Real Joe. Too mysterious for 538.

*** cue disclaimer ***
I'm Antmatic, and I approve this message.

Mrs B said...

...forgot to say, nobody ate the people coming from the woods. That would be horrible. Maybe under a Bush presidency, but THOSE DAYS ARE NEARLY OVER!!!!

SP said...

Don't get me wrong, 75% is great. Pre-election estimates were along the lines of 90% however, and that would've been mind blowing.

Any idea which state has the highest turnout, historically?

obsessed said...

"Only 75% turnout in Virginia? That's a bummer. We netted somewhere around 70% in 2004, and considering this one is supposed to have a more motivated electorate, I'm really disappointed."

Also, isn't that 75% of registered voters now compared to 70% of registered voters in 2004? Dems have been so active in getting new people registered since 2004 that you have to consider that this is 75% of a much higher number than it was in 2004.


And remember - we were all excited at this point in 2004 because we thought the huge turnout just had to be people who couldn't possibly have failed to see all the negatives about Bush that are now hopefully more apparent.

As it turned out, the massive turnout was in large part due to the vaunted 72 hour Repub GOTV. So it's very hard to evaluate that 75% because a less enthusiastic GOP effort is equally beneficial to the Obama cause.

In other words, to paraphrase Sgt. Schultz, and date myself:

we know NOTHING!

lars said...

About Luke Russert on MSNBC...

Gag.

In the dictionary under the word "nepotism" is Luke's picture. I mean, MSNBC, give me a break. What other 23 year old would be pontificating about the election like they let Russert's kid do? No one.

Just a pet peeve.


wv: comyo Sorry, I can only get a bad porn movie vibe from this one. lol

samule said...

Va. Gov Tim Kaine :

“Virginians are turning out in record numbers to vote in today’s historic Presidential election, despite the weather. The State Board of Elections is working closely with local election officials to make sure that voting runs smoothly, and we are confident that the problems that some precincts have encountered are being addressed promptly and resolved quickly."

November 4, 2008 2:57 PM
Blogger Mule Rider said...

I agree with what obsessed said, I hope to see your frowned up faces in just a year or two when Obama hasn't done a damn thing to improve anything - and it's far likely to be much worse.

You will see. This will be a failure of colossal proportions. Bad. To Worse. To Irreperable.

the only irreparable (that's how you spell it btw) things I can think now right now are the Bush administration, you and your troll friends

Andrew Foland said...

Seeing 1000 out of 1000 does not imply 100% probability. Strictly speaking, all you can do is set a confidence interval that stretches from some number, up to and including 100%. Based on Feldman and Cousins 98, at 95% CL that interval would be roughly (from memory, don't have the tables in front of me) [99.8%, 100%].

Dead Cat Bounce said...

@obsessed

Except--in 2004 we knew the GOP effort was massive and Kerry's was weak. It's the opposite this time around.

Radical_Center said...

Blame said...
Josh said...

"Hey Nate, how did you make this post when you were interviewing on Fox News at the EXACT SAME TIME huh? Riddle me this"

The secret is out. Nate is really a consortium of scientificly engineered clones.

Awesome... line up the test tubes and culture some more Nates..

wv colmor A soothing chant sung by tribal shamen in the hours leading to the closing of the polls.

Real Joe said...

7 ET - polls close in Indiana, Georgia, South Carolina, Vermont, Virginia

samule said...

sorry for the first part of the post, it wasn't me, some weird stuff happening on blogger.com today

beek said...

ref. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2124541/posts

Wow, that's really an epic monument of delusion. I particularly like the passage where he uses Nate's Friday evening post on Zogby as proof that Nate cannot possibly be as busy a man he tells the public and is therefore a fraud. Great reasoning.

Mule Rider said...

Obama has demonized and attacked most people making more than $250,000/year.

Say what you want, but that is being divisive. Those are productive members of society (for the most part).

It's likely that very few of them got to where they are by doing anything illegal and most are very blessed and share that (their wealth) generously with others.

To attack them as "horders" and not paying their "fair share" just because they have more money makes him divisive on the issue of economics. He doesn't get it. He never will. He comes from the farthest left wing in the school of economics.

This country will become a flaming shit hole with him as president.

SHERWICK said...

Breaking News Alert!

Real Joe may postpone release of his secret.

Developing...

Mason said...

I agree with what obsessed said, I hope to see your frowned up faces in just a year or two when Obama hasn't done a damn thing to improve anything - and it's far likely to be much worse.

You will see. This will be a failure of colossal proportions. Bad. To Worse. To Irreperable.


We'll just act like the GOP did and blame the previous president.

For EIGHT. FUCKING. YEARS.

alafair said...

I drove by my polling station at lunch today. No line. Hearing reports of 30 minutes or less wait time here in Pitt County, NC.

We're a traditionally deep red county.

El Oso said...

@Mule lover

Have you had your head buried in the sand for 8 years? Jeebus, pal. Give us a break

obsessed said...

Mule Rider said... I agree with what obsessed said, I hope to see your frowned up faces in just a year or two when Obama hasn't done a damn thing to improve anything - and it's far likely to be much worse.

So we can actually agree on one thing: the proof is in the pudding.

Bush's 8 year pudding was laced with salmonella and e coli.

God willing, we will get to see the results of an Obama presidency. An interesting question will be whether we agree in our assessments of its success. It's not entirely impossible that it might be as obvious or more obvious than the Bush result.

Dale Petrie said...

Nate,

Can I ask a favor of you from those of us who have been loyal to your site for months, and who have no access to HD net.

Will you consider posting any "Ratherisms" you hear tonight? You know, like if he says something like, "McCain's chances are roughly that of a boa constrictor passing through a midget's urethra".

Wesley said...

Yes, but it will be our flaming shithole. :)

iHEARTpalin said...

Don't worry. Our voter suppression efforts will not fail. We cannot allow this great country to fall into the hands of baby killing terrorists.

Tonight we bathe in liberal tears!

eponymous said...

Hmm... A presidential failure of epic proportions...

I WONDER WHAT THAT WOULD BE LIKE.

TomA said...

Mule Rider said: "He IS NOT a uniter. He has used digusting and hateful rhetoric against several demographic and socioeconomic voting blocs within the electorate."

I haven't been on the boards much and I know I'm probably feeding a troll, here -- but does this guy ever back up what he says with specifics or does he just spew senseless bile?

If the latter, then I don't suppose there is much Obama's victory can do to help with his sort -- except maybe reveal them for the utterly marginal whack-jobs that they are.

Savitri said...

I feel stupid. That's just too many numbers.

Mason said...

Nah, Oso.

It's fun to watch him melt down. Thing is, I'm not sure he thinks that McCain would do too much better. It's kinda, well, sad.

Decline to State said...

All I see/hear in the Repubs I know/talk to is dejection. They all know what is coming, and know there is no way to stop it.

I also remind them that if McCain somehow won, nothing he proposes would get done. Not.A.Single.Thing. They peg their hopes on the *chance* that some of his ideas would make it through. Fat chance.


My longtime R father told me last week that he just can't vote for McCain, and was checking the Obama box on his absentee ballot. He asked me not to tell my hardcore R brother. I LOL'ed.

Dead Cat Bounce said...

Multiple reports coming in of GOP operatives being thrown out of polling places for overzealous challenging and general disruption. Got to love it. LOL

penumbralheart said...

i'm probably not the first to ask, but has fivethirtyeight's polling data affected the Las Vegas odds on the Obama vs McCain spread?

PeteKent said...

Any reaction to the nightstick wielding Black Panthers trying to intimidate voters and Fox News at polling place in Philly?

The polls workers had no trouble with the Black Panthers in paramilitary uniform patrolling the precinct, but asked that Fox News leave, saying they had no right to have a news crew there.

This was apparently one of those polling places were there are more registered voters than residents.

WV: blavap -- he inane utterings of those here reading tea leaves and trying to predict that which we will know with virtual certainty in absolutely no more than five hours.

Bill said...

Mule Rider, anyone who thinks that the Obama camp has done anywhere near the number and intensity of smears as the McCain camp has had their head under a rock for the past 2 years.

SP said...

I know better than to feed the trolls, but I'm going to do it anyway.

The "clinging to guns and religion" was taken out of context. Here is the actual text, and what he's really trying to say is that people who have been passed up over and over again will turn bitter and cling to something due to their hopelessness.

"And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

And as someone who is the target of the Obama tax hike plan, I can assure you that I'm not in the least bit offended by his words or his intentions. I've seen an obscene amount of growth in my personal wealth due to the Bush tax cuts, while I've watched friends, family and acquaintances that aren't nearly as fortunate suffer through it. I'm okay with contributing a little more so that those that aren't as lucky in life can catch a break. I have been there before and identify with those struggles.

Ross said...

Hi, all. I'm pretty confident that Obama will win tonight. What I'm bracing for is the R's 'moral victory' of us not getting the veto-proof majority as we desired (looking now like we're gonna fall short a couple).

So, when Rush & Sean are gloating over that tomorrow, should I feel a twinge?

If that's how it turns out, what should we expect to change and what should we not?

My main gig is to block any more conservative SCOTUS justices, so I don't think that will be affected, so "whew".

Thanks for the input.

Bush Whacked said...

Funny, I will find my taxes going up under Obama and I don't feel attacked or demoralized. In fact, I voted for the guy.

I have no problem paying more taxes to an adminstration that actually wants to make government effective in doing the things that private enterprise will never do because they aren't profitable.

And don't tell me that's what charity is for. I donate every year and took a year off to volunteer after 9/11. Charities are never going to improve our infrastructure or our education system.

Nicholas Warino said...

Pollster.com has an awesome new map to follow the election coverage with:

Our 2008 Election Night Map
from Pollster.com by mark@pollster.com (Mark Blumenthal)
by Mark Blumenthal

As you may have noticed, we have inserted a new map at the top of our main page. The classic maps for President, Senate, Governor and House races are still there, just use the "map chooser" pull-down menu to see them. We will be live blogging tonight, starting a little after 5:00 Eastern Time.

Here is a quick description of the numbers in the map and where we get them.

First, we will be monitoring the five major television networks and the Associated Press and tracking the calls that each makes in the race for President. Once one network projects a state for a candidate, we will color the state light red or light blue for McCain or Obama. When all six organizations have made their projections, we will change the map to a darker shade of red or blue. States where the polls have closed, but where it is still too early or too close to call, will be colored yellow (also the color we will use in the extraordinarily unlikely event that any of the networks make a conflicting call).

To see which networks have made their projections, just point your cursor at the state to see an expanded "tool-tip" displaying that information. The tool-tip for each state will also display two important columns of data:

Pollster Trend -- The far right column will display our most recent trend estimate based on the pre-election polls. And just like our standard map, you can click on the state to display our chart for that state. See our map FAQ for more information on how we compute our trend estimates.

Est Result -- Shortly after the polls close, we hope to display the "estimated result" of the vote shares in each state culled from the network exit poll tabulations posted online (by CBS, CNN, Fox and NBC). These tabulations show the exit poll results by demographic and other subgroups (age, race, party, etc.). We will extrapolate the underlying vote estimates used to weight each table and display these in the Estimated Result column on the tool-tip.

During the course of election day and evening, the people who run the exit poll and projection operation have various estimates of the outcome in each state, estimates that gradually improve as they obtain first exit poll interviews, later the actual vote cast in random samples of precincts, and ultimately the actual vote count. When the polls close, and at two or more additional times during the night, the analysts will re-weight the tabulations based on more current and accurate estimates.

Important disclaimer: These estimates are most likely not undiluted "exit poll" results. At poll closing, the exit poll tabulations that appear online are most likely weighted to a "composite estimate" that averages the results of exit poll interviews with the averages of pre-election polls (not at all unlike the trend estimates we post here at Pollster.com). Also, as we learned during the primaries, the weighting of the cross-tabulations frequently falls far behind the up-to-the-minute estimates that network "decision desk" analysts use to call the race.

Note that we have added separate labels for the individual congressional districts of Nebraska and Maine, since these states allocate Electoral Votes partially by district and may split their electoral votes. Unfortunately, we were only able to obtain public polls for Nebraska-02, so that label is the only one of the districts that will click-thru to a chart.


www.pollster.com

Dead Cat Bounce said...

Pete, my comment to that is that the story has already been pulled from Fox's web site. Was up there earlier--no sign of it now. LOL

bamaObama said...

To all of you responding to Mule Rider's drivel, I ask this: does a rabid dog know that it is rabid? or does arguing with a rabid dog make it less rabid?

Mason said...

Ross-
60 isn't a "veto-proof" super-majority. It's a cloture/filibuster proof super-majority.

Cheers.

Bryan said...

I bloody hope you are right nate :( getting late here in Dublin.. don't fancy an all nighter..

R. E. Hartman said...

Does anyone know of a news outlet that ISN'T bothering with the exit poll nonsense? Trying to find one with little luck.

wv: twingene.... some part of the human genome that we'd never know about if neanderthals like Palin had there way.

PeteKent said...

Mule Rider

Mule Rider reflects a real segment of the population. Whoever can capture his view point pretty much holds the center.

His anger is not so much over policy, but over process.

He feels the election has been stolen and that the people have been bamboozled by the Sly One.

WV: menes - - The genetic inheritance of the Republican male

weinerdog said...

I think us Minnesotans have the highest turnout -
http://tinyurl.com/575cu8"

Chalk up two votes for Obama, Franken, and McCollum. Here's hoping to Bachmann going down in flames.

Mule Rider said...

Specifics?

Obama has repeatedly attacked people making more money in this country. If you make more than $250k per year, he has derided you in some way for not paying your "fair share" and for "hording wealth" and not sharing it.

He has created division on the economic front through class warfare tactics.

Tell everybody making less than $50k/year, which is half or more of the country, how bad they've got it and how much they're being screwed by the upper income earners, and you're bound to get broad support.

But at what cost? Demonizing some of the most successful and entrepreneurial people in this free and capitalistic society?

He is dividing the country along economic lines. The proof is there. Repeatedly.

El Oso said...

iheartpalin said,
"Tonight we bathe in liberal tears"


Tears of joy because we won. Don't worry, it'll wash away the shit of the GOP campaign

Dave-london said...

From the last thread about norweigan football, i have had this in my head for weeks [Holyfield wins World Champ]:

There is a new president of the united states of america, and his name is barack obama!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CR1Yq-0ghXo&feature=related

am i right in saying that anything over 10% difference gets called almost immediately? If so if SC istn called straight away its going to be a good night.

bundh - even al bundh is voting for BO

Bill P. said...

MR -

Your logic, as usual, is an epic fail. Telling folks he's going to rescind the irresponsible Bush tax cuts for people who make over a quarter million dollars a year is most certainly not hate speech. Get a grip, son.

Now, when I tell you to go shove a telephone pole up your ass...that's hate speech.

Reality has a liberal bias.

Becky Sharp said...

bush whacked - you earn over 250K?

pucties: panties for Hockey moms?

El Oso said...

@mule fucker

And it's about damned time, too. Down with the rich! Up with proletariat!

March on, comrades!

ThinkingMan said...

I disagree that Obama is a "divider," but he really does need to be careful with the anti-CEO, anti-business rhetoric. I personally don't think that he really believes it, but I do think he overuses it as his own form of "red meat" to fire up the lefty base (and in turn to win the election!). It so happens that his form of red meat is more digestible for most of the electorate, so he doesn't get called on it as often or as loudly as McCain-Palin do for their divisive comments.

I think that, once the election is over (assuming BO wins), you'll see a slight toning down of Obama's speeches as it relates to big business (exception: oil companies). As a businessperson myself, I'm hoping that he'll start speaking to all parties more equitably. He's not stupid. He recognizes that businesses can't be taxed to death and that big businesses really do drive innovation, production, and national income to a large degree.

As for other elements of divisiveness (clinging to guns and religion), I agree that they are seen as divisive. He may be right for a small minority of people, but others aren't "clinging" to those things as much as they firmly believe in their duty/right to live by them. Again, I think he was talking about the 3% sub-minority, but then 30% group rightly took offense to it.

Rachel Maddow said...

Someone said high voter turnout is bad news for Obama. Somebody talk me down.

obsessed said...

Obama has demonized and attacked most people making more than $250,000/year.

That's absolutely wrong and an unethical straw man tactic.

Obama has never demonized people making $250K.

Nor have I in my many posts questioning the logic of people making LESS THAN $250k.

If you make more than $250k, vote for McCain with my blessing. You might choose not to out of charity or out of a longer term view that he might screw the country up so much that you no longer make $250k, but the logic and sense of self-advancement of your McCain vote are not going to be questioned by anyone with a brain (and I would question you progressively less as that income figure rises).

But if you make $250k or less and vote for McCain, you are simply a fool who will learn the extent of his foolishness when the full extent of the healthcare and employment situations inevitably comes home to roost for you.

Ross said...

Oh, I had a brain fart above. I meant "filibuster-proof" majority.

I predict the repugs will be yuk-yukking it up tomorrow about their "moral victory".

beek said...

"Any reaction to the nightstick wielding Black Panthers trying to intimidate voters and Fox News at polling place in Philly?"

The only thing I saw was a confessing Republican student outraged and making a big fuss about an obviously small incident. FOX made lot of noise about it (as did Drudge) but the reporter on location was very short on hard information, especially regarding what the police did after they the student called them. Even the student din't claim that voters were actually intimidated, he only said that it "could intimidate voters". No voters saying anything about being intimidated emerged. Since the New Black Panthers where still there, the police does seem not to have thought it was something big.

Besides, what has that to do with anything?

SP said...

He feels the election has been stolen and that the people have been bamboozled by the Sly One.

Welcome to the club. Guess how half the country has been feeling for the better part of the last 8 years?

Redemodent said...

Too funny! Yeah, what voters should do is listen to people who voted twice for George Bush, because, you know, they really know hot to pick 'em. And the Republicommies can't figure out why people just laugh at them.

I love to read that stuff, cracks me up every time....

Eric said...

So, when Rush & Sean are gloating over that tomorrow, should I feel a twinge?


Not at all! The Dems don't need to have 60 seats in the Senate to make effective progress on their agenda. 57, plus Bernie Sanders, and peel off a handful of moderate Republicans, and you're all set. The Republican party is going to be much more fractured after today, and as long as the Dems do things in a reasonable fashion, they'll easily be able to get through legislation and appointed judges without any real threat of filibuster.

And then you can enjoy all the tears and whining from the Rush and Hannity shows that you can stand. Although, aside from schadenfreude I'm not sure why you'd waste too much time on those blowhard idiots.

bamaObama said...

Rachel... it matters where that turnout is. St. Louis=good. St. Louis County=not so good. Springfield (MO)= bad.

Lee said...

I might actually tune in to fox news for the first time in a long time after this election just to see their faces.

El Oso said...

@rachel

The Dems have signed up millions and MILLIONS more voters this year than the GOP. High voter turn out would mean they're going to vote, and history has linked low turn out with GOP wins.

PeteKent said...

Robbed in the Woods

The people in the Woods have been waylaid by the young and the chic!

Obama, it’s the fashionable thing to do!

WV: usteliab -- secret place at which reposes all important state secrets; a Bi-Partisan Comm chaired by Senators Mikulski and Collins is the final arbiter of what Obama needs to know until his security clearance can be obtained

Beckee said...

Here's the panther story: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCeD1RcJjAg

I agree with SP and Bush Whacked. My taxes will go up under Obama's plan, but they are my contribution to civilization.

rodrett said...

Rachel Maddow, for the love of God will you jump to your death already so we can peacefully enjoy an Obama victory to come.

gougef said...

lars said...

About Luke Russert on MSNBC...

Gag.

--------------------------------

He definitely sucketh.

WV: suacr - What Luke R. is.

Bill P. said...

Erm, "Rachel Maddow" is doing a clever take on the REAL Rachel Maddow's 'talk me down' segment on MSNBC. :~)

John McCain is my Love Child! said...

Just got back from my 2:30 class.

+/- 50% of the students had "I voted" stickers. Five students were going directly to the polls together after class. If this microscopic sample size in any way reflects the broader trends, then I expect to be pleasantly surprised from the youth vote.

This is U of M Ann Arbor, so I expect a certain degree of political engagement, but still, its gratifying to see.

Becky Sharp said...

folks - I think Rachel Maddow is spoofing the real Rachel Maddow. Its called satire

reforna: what yogurt does

jonathan said...

My wife and I make $270,000 per year combined. Let's assume we don't have deducations and instead take the standard deduction, $7000. Then we take personal exemption of about $3000. Our adjusted gross income would be $260,000.00.

The top tax rate of 36% would be going up to 39.6%. That means every dollar over $250,000 would be taxed an additional 3.6 cents, so we're looking at a tax increase of $360/year.

$360 per year? That's nothing. If we can pay that and insure others then what's the problem?

I'm a reliable Democrat and my wife leans Republican and we've both voted for Obama, because $360 is a small price to pay for changes that are long since overdue.

wv: stativa - STAT in VA. We want the results STAT in VA!

Ken said...

Can't wait to get home and vote tonight, line or no line. Hope it won't be too long, I don't want to miss any coverage of this.

wv: morugg - Someone so moronic they make you groan

(this reminds me of Sniglets)

tjonsek said...

Now I remember why I liked statistics in college. And why I am such a geek. Talk like that thrills me... assumptions, correlations,simulations, margins....

and the outcome gives me hope to.

Bush Whacked said...

Becky Sharp: Yes, but I don't admit it in polite company.

I know many folks who are voting for Obama even though their taxes will go up.

He said...

Barack Obama drawing a crowd of 80,000 in normally-Republican Manassas Park in Northern Virginia the night before the election is great news...FOR JOHN MCCAIN!!!

Ross said...

So, when Rush & Sean are gloating over that tomorrow, should I feel a twinge?
==================
@Eric
Not at all!...
aside from schadenfreude...
-------------------
Thanks for the reply, Eric, I feel a WHOLE lot better now! And, yes, schadenfreude is what it's all about starting tomorrow :-D .
(I know, I'm not being a good lib with that attitude, but hey!)

PeteKent said...

Neal Cavuto is prefiguring Obama winning Indiana!

Mule Rider said...

ThinkingMan,

Bravo. You are pretty much on target. Obama has benefitted from his "red meat" being much more tolerable and having mass appeal. But if he really attacks the institutions of business and entrepreneurship the way he says, we will all be effed badly.


El Oso,

The rhetoric he is using, and that you follow suit with - the "down with the rich and up with the proletariat" - is exactly the bs that started being used by fascist and communist powers in the old U.S.S.R. and is still used to keep people in check.


Bill P.

You are so disconneected from reality that I'm surprised you're picking up any kind of bias.

rodrett said...

Yes I have seen the Rachel Maddow show and like it except for her "talk me down" segment. I guess I just don't take well to emotional cripples.

EmonOkari said...

Rachel Maddow, for the love of God will you jump to your death already so we can peacefully enjoy an Obama victory to come.

Rachel Maddow is a sweet, intellectual goddess who makes my brain tingle with delight. She gets a pass.

Deadpixel said...

Intrade Market

Obama 93.0

McCain 7.5

PeteKent said...

Mule is right: Obama has demoninized the wealthy, esp the Wall Street crowd. What suprises me is that they all live in deep blue states? More's the pity for them! A double soaking and they will have been so shamed by Obama and Biden that they will nary voice a protest as they are taxed and unemployed.

CloudyFuture said...

watching CNN this came up - Ohio republican party has filed an amended lawsuit in OH....something to due with the provisional ballots and how they are counted.....again on CNN...

PorridgeGun said...

Other than Jack Cafferty, Roland Martin, Suzanne Malveaux, and occasionally Carville and Begala, CNN's Election Board is the only thing of value, it's fascinating to watch. And John King should stick to fiddling around with it, his punditry sucks balls.

Ken said...

Also, Win or Lose I'm glad to see such a huge turnout.

wv: euratiz - European girls who don't go all the way ("you're-a-tease")

Old Gaming Mama said...

As far as Obama's tax plans I'm in agreement with a couple of other posters.

I've been so poor I used to buy based on calories per dollar and at one time ate nothing but flour for a week because I had no money to buy food.

For more than 10 years now I've been doing much better than average. And this year I've been doing incredibly well and would be one of those to get taxed at a higher rate under Obama's plan.

I just went a voted for him. As a veteran, as a christian, and as someone who has been there, for me it feels like the right thing to do. To pay more to help others, and to help this country grow strong because I can afford to give a little more than most.

Thanks Nate and co. for a wonderful site. I wish I had known about it sooner being a math & stat geek myself.

Becky Sharp said...

Rachel Maddow brings out the "bi" in me. Except when she goes all wussy.

tardep: pithy but ultimately dumb