11.04.2008

Today's Polls and Final Election Projection: Obama 349, McCain 189

It's Tuesday, November 4th, 2008, Election Day in America. The last polls have straggled in, and show little sign of mercy for John McCain. Barack Obama appears poised for a decisive electoral victory.

Our model projects that Obama will win all states won by John Kerry in 2004, in addition to Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado, Ohio, Virginia, Nevada, Florida and North Carolina, while narrowly losing Missouri and Indiana. These states total 353 electoral votes. Our official projection, which looks at these outcomes probabilistically -- for instance, assigns North Carolina's 15 electoral votes to Obama 59 percent of the time -- comes up with an incrementally more conservative projection of 348.6 electoral votes.

We also project Obama to win the popular vote by 6.1 points; his lead is slightly larger than that in the polls now, but our model accounts for the fact that candidates with large leads in the polls typically underperform their numbers by a small margin on Election Day.

This race appears to have stabilized as of about the time of the second debate in Nashville, Tennessee on October 8th. Since that time, Obama has maintained a national lead of between 6 and 8 points, with little discernible momentum for either candidate. Just as noteworthy is the fact that the number of undecided voters is now very small, representing not much more than 2-3 percent of the electorate. Undecided voters who committed over the past several weeks appear to have broken roughly equally between the two candidates.

Our model forecasts a small third-party vote of between 1 and 2 points total; it is not likely to be a decisive factor in this election except perhaps in Montana, where Ron Paul is on the ballot and may garner 4-5 percent of the vote.

Any forecasting system is only as good as its inputs, and so if the polls are systematically wrong, our projection is subject to error as well. Nevertheless, even as we account for other cycles in which the polling numbers materially missed the national popular vote margin (such as in 1980), a McCain win appears highly unlikely. It is also possible, of course, that the polls are shy in Obama's direction rather than McCain's, in which case a double-digit win is possible.

Nor does McCain appear to have much chance of winning the Electoral College while losing the popular vote; in fact, our model thinks that Obama is slightly more likely to do so. McCain diverted many of his resources to Pennsylvania, a state where he narrowed Obama's margins somewhat, but which our model concludes that Obama is now virtually certain to win. This may have allowed Obama to consolidate his margins in other battleground states, particularly Western states like Colorado and Nevada to which McCain has devoted little recent attention.

Thank you for placing your trust in FiveThirtyEight.com over the course of the past several months. We hope that you will join us both on the website and on HDNet tonight, where I'll be providing election coverage for Dan Rather's team. FiveThirtyEight intends to continue to apply our unique approach to politics after the election, and we hope to have several announcements about our future plans in the coming days and weeks.



*** One very quick technical note: I have removed the regression estimate from the final projection for the five states that are the home of either a presidential or vice presidential candidate (Arizona, Alaska, Illinois, Hawaii, Delaware); we have plenty of polling data to look at in these states and the regession model was having difficulty accounting for home-state effects.

539 comments

Barack Obama said...

first!

Chris said...

Yeah!

Darryl Pierce said...

Nicely done.

JMNorris said...

Like my bank used to say before it went belly up:

Whoo Hoo!

As they say in Chicago:

Vote early! Vote often!

DaWolf said...

5th or something!

but more importantly! 1.1%...wow

Obama wins or the election is rigged

davidteich said...

When all the dark clouds roll away
And the sun begins to shine
I see my freedom from across the way
And it comes right in on time
Well it shines so bright and it gives so much light
And it comes from the sky above
Makes me feel so free makes me feel like me
And lights my life with love

And it seems like and it feels like
And it seems like yes it feels like
A brand new day, yeah
A brand new day

I was lost and double crossed
With my hands behind my back
I was longtime hurt and thrown in the dirt
Shoved out on the railroad track
I've been used, abused and so confused
And I had nowhere to run
But I stood and looked
And my eyes got hooked
On that beautiful morning sun

And it seems like and it feels like
And it seems like yes it feels like
A brand new day, yeah
A brand new day

And the sun shines down all on the ground
Yeah and the grass is oh so green
And my heart is still and I've got the will
And I don't really feel so mean
Here it comes, here it comes
Here it comes right now
And it comes right in on time
Well it eases me and it pleases me
And it satisfies my mind

And it seems like and it feels like
And it seems like yes it feels like
A brand new day, yeah
A brand new day
--------------------------------

In a few hours, 8 years of darkness will officially be behind us.

Book Surgeon said...

I don't care if I'm first. I just care about basking in those bee-yoo-tee-ful numbers and enjoying watching the returns roll in and my crazier Neocon acquaintances foam at the mouth.

Nate and team, you're incredible.

Jackie said...

98.9% is GOOD NEWS!!!!! for AMERICA!!!! :)

Zenu said...

I would just like to say--on behalf of thousands of thousands of people, I'm sure--thank you for doing such outstanding coverage and analysis during this process, Nate, Sean and Brett. I look forward to the things to come from you all!

<3

Festeria said...

Man, those are pretty numbers. I'm getting my singing pipes warmed up for this:

Donuts & Bacon!
The James Rocket

Syrlacc Daggerstryke said...

#7???

Your word in the flying spaghetti monster's ear! May we all be touched by his noodly goodness tonight!

WV: depheara: The process of de-republicanization

no mercy rules said...

there is NO red on that middle pie chart.


this is great news... FOR JOHN MCCAIN

Yaksha said...

MAC IS BACK!

You know, back to being a senator, not a presidential contender.

Jo said...

In case anyone else wants to stand up in their cubicle and sing along with Ray Charles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghz4_kikLkE

This was my polling line soundtrack.

AxmxZ said...

I <3 Nate Silver. U of C geekery 4eva!

wv: dikes. Are voting down Prop 8 as we speak.

chris said...

what about ohio?

MysticLaker said...

u forgot ohio

fullbodytransplant said...

Sweeter and sweeter.

Almost as beautiful as Barack's stand on the arts:

http://fullbodytransplant.wordpress.com/2008/11/02/obama-for-the-arts/

I love this election. I love it a lot.

spam210wal said...

A 1.1% chance win is great news....FOR JOHN MCCAIN!

Radical_Center said...

1.1% I am loving it.

wv: wansa, n. an Afro-Cuban dance, traditionally performed on election night after 353 EV victories.

Real Joe said...

Nate

OH ?

goatdan said...

Thanks again for this. I used to have to look at lots of different polling sites to try to figure this stuff out, and it has made my time spent a lot more organized...

Although I spend a lot more of it here now looking at this stuff and re-analyzing to see what you've done.

I hope over the next few months, you look back at the campaign strategies and try to link what worked when and where during the election. Politics is a fascinating chess game, and I think McCain mistakenly went in playing checkers...

Dead Cat Bounce said...

Um, Nate, something is wrong:

Today's Polls and Final Election Projection: Obama 349, McCain 189

Our model projects that Obama will win all states won by John Kerry in 2004, in addition to Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado, Virginia, Nevada, Florida and North Carolina, while narrowly losing Missouri and Indiana. These states total 353 electoral votes.

Which is it?

Ben said...

Thanks Nate, for everything. Hopefully the good guys will win in the end. GOTV

Jackie said...

Also, heh @ the 0.0 weighting for the ARG poll of AK.

lars said...

Wow.

The Obama/Biden ticket is the first presidential campaign by a major party with NO WHITE PROTESTANT on it. That is why the Palin-supporting xenophobes are freaking out.

Obama will be our first African-American president and Biden will be our first catholic vice-president.

Expect much gnashing of teeth from people still living in a more bigoted past.

Dave said...

I can't wait to hear the results, and it will be fun to nit-pick Nate's model to see where the model got it right, and where it didn't. I have a feeling 538.com will remain a high-traffic site for a while yet as the election is picked apart ad nauseum. =)

/I voted for great justice! And Obama, too. =)

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bee said...

Thank you, Nate, and your team, for all the splendid work. True democracy in action.

Michael said...

Ohio?

corey :: yeroc.org said...

This was my projection too!

(Although I posted mine two days ago)

http://yeroc.org/?p=199

Obama '08! 5 hours away!

He said...

A 1.1% chance of winning the election is GREAT NEWS....FOR JOHN MCCAIN!!

Jay said...

It's weird being a post-2000/2004 Dem. I literally cannot believe that things look good. There's no way that I can be confident or assured or even cautiously optimistic about the outcome tonight. Fortunately we've got a candidate with a little more fortitude than I've got.

brogedic: the quality or property of being a bro.

James said...

You have Obama winning Ohio, right?

Vince said...

Great work. It's been a pleasure to follow. It almost makes me look forward to future elections (but, a breather first, please).

Frank said...

Awwww... Shit, Son!

Badgerhair said...

This seems as good a time as any to express my thanks not only to Nate, Sean and Brett for running the site and providing the wonderful meat for the rest of us to feast on but also to the voters, activists, election junkies and even the sock puppets and trolls for making this such an enjoyable spot from which to observe the events.

Herunar said...

Indiana polls are a bit disappointing. Missouri is okay. Florida and Ohio is good.

Michael said...

My humble take -
BHO 400+ (430 likely)
Why? Because I beleive in nationwide 11-12% margin, and that's a direct translation of it into state-by-state results.

As an aside, repub psych ops are becoming really really amusing. I am particularly loving a bit about high turnout benefitting McSame.
Brainwashing the masses to the bitter end.

Now - go VOTE ALL of YOU :)

syclat - the end of an election cycle.

Loralee said...

What does Nate mean by his little technical note? What does it look like when a model has "difficulty" with something?


wv: unleent
Zogby appears to have unleent his final polling numbers.

Pot Kettle Black said...

Good news....

For John McCain...

and his Golf Game.

Mac is Wack.

Clearly, your trendlines ignore the McCain SURGE!!! *sigh* Mockery is too good for these bastards.

wv: imakibu(bu): What McCain will say when asked about picking Palin as his running mate.

Pinyan said...

349 was my call as well, though I had Obama winning Missouri and not North Carolina. It looks like your map would become 353 unless I'm missing something.

My popular vote was 52.5-46.3, so that's scary close.

TDefren said...

Thank you for your exceptional coverage and analysis during this election. This site's confident predictions allowed me to sleep through the night on more than one occasion. I wish you all the very best in the future.

You're bookmarked permanently!

Looking forward to the Obama v. Palin match-ups 4 years from now. ;)

Adam said...

Nate,

You're on your way to an even more promising career. If your predictions come out correct (not saying they wont!), I'm sure you'll find yourself a job as a top end pundit for a major news corporation. My congratulations to you and thank you for all of your hard work!

Deleres: What the Fox news tinfoil hattery commentators are since they still think McCain will win

lexigeek said...

Thanks for all the hard work, Nate! You've created a phenomenal resource, and I'm very grateful.

Four hours and 33 minutes until the first polls close!

RocketRay said...

In the words of a great American:

Jeff Spicoli: Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!

Wow, my WV is "bushy"!

GO OBAMA!!!!!!

Decline to State said...

1.1% here, PEC at 352, GA & AZ in play.

Yes, today should be a very good day.

Laurel said...

THANK YOU, GOD!

THANK YOU, AMERICA!

THANK YOU, 538.COM!

THIS IS GONNA BE GREAT, GUYS!

The first election I've ever gotten to vote it; and I'm so frigging proud. I'm going to run up and down in the streets singing. I'm getting drunk and watching FoxNews tonight. I'm eating an entire chocolate cake. I'm SOOO GIDDY!!!!1

Stephen said...

PLEASE, Nate, in the post-election coverage, give us a cartogram! I love those things!

musefree said...

@Dead Cat Bounce

353 is the median, 349 is the mean.

To put it more simply, 353 is the single most likely outcome, 349 represents the average outcome.

Personally, if I am projecting, I'd use the median, but it's a matter of taste.

joel said...

I think Missouri will go for Obama, they always go with the winner. I also think North Carolina will end up for McCain. I bet Indiana won`t even be that close, they will stay with their republican tradition.

Evan said...

I think some note should be made that while the model predicts the 311 number as most likely, there are several other possibilities that are almost equally likely, and in fact for Nate to say that this case is what The Model predicts is deceiving. The Model only gives a 1% chance of this, so perhaps some kind of statistical range (with SD) would provide a more accurate description of today's outcomes. 311 is below even the median, and should be understood in that context.

Jeremy said...

I'm 98.9% nervous!!

This is insane.

pawels said...

Awesome!

Keep GOTVing people!

Take the are you more qualified than Sarah Palin quiz

GH said...

Great work, Nate. Whatever the outcome, your website has been a wonderful resource. Thank you!

mjfrombuffalo said...

I've been lurking for months here and have to comment to express my thanks for all the hard work you've done in synthesizing all this polling data in a way that makes sense to amature poll-watchers like me. You've done a fantastic job and no matter what the results, you've helped educate a lot of people this campaign season. Thank you!

goatdan said...

@ dead cat bounce - the 348.6 is the average of all of the scenarios run on the test, while the 353 that was mentioned is the most likely scenario. Look at paragraph 2 for full explanation.

Mrs B said...

As someone who came to this site later than many, I would just like to say thanks for everything, not just to Nate, Sean and Mr Marty (great photos), but also to the many excellent people who have been posting frantically - but also doing their civic duty. Respect to you all.

PS BBC radio 5 now talking about circular firing squads in the Rep camp. Grant Woods (?? think that's the name) appears to be criticising McCain for going with the "Washington know it alls" instead of his local people in AZ helping with his campaign.

GaryB said...

Nate, I've been asking for a sub-1% win chance for McCain for months now. But you've been working hard ... I'll take the 1.1%

Um: "GREAT NEWS FOR MCCAIN" ... and the rest of the nation.

markymark said...

I am predicting 375 electoral votes for Obama, I am assuming a small amount of polling error and a few states tippingover to Obama because of that. But that being said I am not gonna argue with Nate!

ahecht said...

What do the polls in the sidebar that are in orange and have a date of "T3" or "T5" mean? I see them in NH and PA.

Herunar said...

Michael said...

My humble take -
BHO 400+ (430 likely)


Impossible. Obama will have to win states where he's behind by more than 10 points currently to get 430. That is, he'll have to win by about 18 points nationally. He'll get 434 if he takes SC, LA and AK, and those states are about 7-8 points Mccain right now.

Loralee said...

Here's my vote for today's theme song:



Here comes the sun, here comes the sun,
and I say it's all right

Little darling, it's been a long cold lonely winter
Little darling, it feels like years since it's been here
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
and I say it's all right

Little darling, the smiles returning to the faces
Little darling, it seems like years since it's been here
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
and I say it's all right

Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...

Little darling, I feel that ice is slowly melting
Little darling, it seems like years since it's been clear
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun,
and I say it's all right
It's all right

Becky Sharp said...

Me, I'm 1.1% nervous!

categen: feline power comapny

stewartmcgovernm said...

Nate, thanks for all your hard work this past season.

Now, voters who have not yet voted, GET OUT AND VOTE!

purplesaurus rex said...

Blue Pacman sez: "OM NOM NOM NOM NOM"

wv: boltsail - Sarah Palin wishes she could bolt/sail away from the sinking ship of the McCain campaign.

Alberto said...

on the other hand, pollster reduced the count from 311 to 291

Brian said...

EV: 356 Obama
Senate: 56 Dem (1 run-off GA)
House: +32 Dem vs 2006
Pop. Vote Obama +9.5% (0.5% for 3rd Party)

Larry Seiferth Jr. said...

Nate - great job on the blog and TV, and btw you are hot.

ChrisG said...

Just voted in St. Paul Minnesota: Obama, Franken, McCollum. Didn't have to wait long. Minnesota is always one of the highest turnout states, and they know well how to work with it. Man I wish it was that way for everyone (in other parts of the state there are lines but nothing like the worst of what other parts of the country will experience). Did notice a good deal of young people there.

mac_1103 said...

...so if the polls are systematically wrong, our projection is subject to error as well...

Bingo. I just have to say this somewhere: if there is some kind of McCain miracle, it will not be a great comeback; it will be a systematic failure of polling. People don't change their minds in the last six to twelve hours before going into the polling booth.

Dead Cat Bounce said...

Aha.

This is why I dropped Calculus and went to law school. lol

solitudincarnate said...

Thanks for all your hard work, Nate.

That said, I couldn't think of a sweeter number to end this on:

1.1%

It's almost poetic.

Roadysf said...

God bless Barack, God bless America, and God bless quants who bring us relevant information. Now go out and vote!

Barbara said...

Awesome, just awesome! I hope you're right on the money, Nate.

Thank you for keeping me sane since primary season, and good luck to you.

Shap said...

My vote for theme song of the day:

The Times They are a' Changin':

Come mothers and fathers, throughout the land
And don't criticize what you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command

Your old road is rapidly agin'!

So get out of the new one, if you can't lend a hand,
for the times, they are a' changin'!

mizack2 said...

Thank Goodness.


WV = Duckee

"Even though he's a lame duckee, waddling his way back to Crawford Texas, George Bush still more than likely has one final, massive screw up left in him."

Research-China.Org said...

I bought my daughters Obama buttons for every State that I felt would go for Obama. Nate doesn't project victory in Missouri and Indiana, but my button collection begs to differ!

Nate, a job well done. I have enjoyed following your website, and the excursions into America!!

Without Bush we would not have Obama. Perhaps that is a silver lining to the last eight years.

All the best America!!!

marco said...

It's a BEAUTIFUL DAY in America! Barack Obama will change America and the world! Only 8-9 hours for the BUSH NIGHTMARE to be over! I'm very proud of being an American today! I'm so happy I became a naturalized citizen in time to be part of this campaign and this historical moment!!!

Thank you Nate, your site ROCKS!!!

Greg Smyth said...

Thanks for all your excellent work over the past months.

Dead Cat Bounce said...

Were we dealing with a few polls, I could see them being "systematically wrong." But we've got polls coming out our ears, and all of them consistently predict an Obama victory. Hard to see how so many polls could be so wrong for so long.

musefree said...

Regarding my previous comment, median was the incorrect term to use. 353 is just the number you get if you give each state to whoever is leading.

Basically if you place a bet on the exact outcome, you should probably go with 353 (or 311 which is the mode). On the other hand, if you want to make sure you are not off by too much, or if you want to pin a point that represents the typical range if outcomes, you should use 349.

Bryan said...

What is happening in Virginia? I heard bad things.

Becky Sharp said...

379EV and I'm sticking to it

Even Nate's model is based on available polls - and most available polls use the traditional methodology for predicting voter turnout.

That's why Gallup stands out there alone - they updated their methodology based on early voting

Robbie said...

Thanks for all your hard work, and a lovely set of numbers.

Andy JS said...

Wow! I don't like to boast but my prediction on Dave Leip's uselectionatlas.org site is: Obama - 353, McCain - 185. My username there is ajs41. I made that prediction on October 11th.

Sedi said...

The good news is that Nate has provided yet another smart, fair, and insightful analysis. The bad news is that the probability that I will be fully cured of my 538 addiction in the next couple of weeks has dropped precipitously. Eventually I'm going to have to start getting more work done...

VSAvatar said...

It's unfortunate that the polls can't account for poll rigging by Diebold and the Republican party. I'm interested in seeing what kind of biases those two factors will add in to this election. I voted for Obama and am from Michigan. Here's hoping that 538 is right on this one.

John Sidney McCain said...

So you're telling me there's a chance?

Brian said...

Celebate good times, woohoo!!

zzyzx said...

I hope you're right. I can't find any flaws in the argument and the polls do seem awfully good, but I'm going to be nervous for the next 10-12 hours...

Nate said...

What about Ohio?

Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...

Joe Biden is Catholic---well that changes everything.

Dead Cat Bounce said...

Everything I'm hearing tells me the Obama GOTV effort is swamping McCain's from coast to coast. I'm still betting on 375+.

I predict a few surprises like Obama flipping GA or AZ.

Andy JS said...

Ohio is Obama's on these figures.

David said...

Thanks Nate, for all your effort and insight during this season! I hope fivethirtyeight sticks around for many years to come!

Torsten Adair said...

As a fan of the Nebraska Cornhuskers since 1977, and having seen so many possible National Championships slip through our fingers, let me just say that you shouldn't count your chickens before they come home to roost.

I'm not taking anything for granted until I hear the words from John McCain himself.

However, I do wish to thank the 538 crew for a job well done. You've condensed so much data into understandable facts, allowed us to follow the bouncing ball on the Super Tracker, and given us some beautiful pictures to look at when we grew tired of reading.

My only question is... how do we top this incredible election? How do we keep the electorate engaged? And what are we going to follow when the election blogs go into hibernation?

Becky Sharp said...

@deadcat:
GA will be the big shocker

mench: wench munching

igwespike said...

Best. Site. Ever. Thanks!

Jacqueline Hope Derby said...

Nate! Thank you for doing such an amazing job with this site. The hard work of you and the rest of the 538 staff has added so much to this election cycle. I know you support Obama, so to see the numbers go the way of your team has to be a great joy on the personal level as well. I know I just about fainted from joy when I saw the last projection!

hurn0003 said...

My Prediction:
Obama 391 EV Kerry + NV AZ NM CO MT ND IA MO IN OH VA NC GA FL
McCain 147 EV

Between +10.5-11.5% popular vote

Senate +9
Warner
Udall
Udall
Begich
Shaheen
Merkley
Hagan
Franken
Martin (via runoff)

Guy said...

Hello from South Africa. I have become obsessed with this election and checking this site every 5 minutes for the last couple of months. Now I'm going to have to find a new addiction.

This site rocks!!!

Just out of interest, is the site-master pro Obama? I did detect a bit Probama language in some of his posts...

Looking foreward to an Obama victory! And 8 years of sanity.

Thanks!!

thene said...

Nate got this!

goatdan said...

On my way to work this morning, the local radio station was talking about the 'predictors' that you can use to determine who is going to win the election, and they were making it sound FAR too credible. My favorite was when they said that you were 80% more likely to vote for the taller candidate. 80%?!? If so, then shouldn't McCain be looking at 10-20% of the vote?

I was wondering how the 538 model takes into account stupid stuff like this, as well as the Redskins loss last night. And, if it is true, why don't we just run a couple basketball centers against one another?

Eric said...

@john sidney mccain

Fuckin' hilarious. Actually, most of his campaign speeches do sound like the most annoying sound ever.

Becky Sharp said...

@hurn0003

Identical to my prediction except I have McCain narrowly holding IN

bitparity said...

Thanks for your insight Nate. Your work on the polls has helped keep me sane amidst all the craziness. I look forward to seeing you again in the next election.

VOTE FOR CHANGE!! GO OBAMA!!!!!

Ronin said...

For the last few months, 538 has been the first site I opened every day as I drank my morning coffee. Thank you for all the number crunching, and you deserve the amount of success and esteem you have built among the press lately. You can be assured that this reader will stay tuned to see where things go after the election season is wrapped up.

Matthew H said...

This was over after the first debate- it just took a few days for the polls to catch up.

All in all, it's been a boring election pollswise. Obama had +3 all summer, then there was the usual chaos after the conventions, and then Obama rocketed up to +7 or so after the first debate, and stayed there.

noidlycl. This is a noidlycl commercial- the stupid thing comes on every 10 minutes!

Here's still hoping that Georgia, Indiana, and Arizona go blue!

jnorthrop said...

@thene --

HA!

david said...

@ loralee: "difficulty" can mean several things. In these kinds of statistical analyses you want to avoid including variables that "perfectly" predict an outcome (e.g. the prediction that "candidate from state X is going to win state X with 100% certainty"). When you have those kinds of predictions in a model the statistics program sometimes cannot produce an outcome (that is, the model does not have a probabilistic "solution.") Well, I tried to explain it...the bottom line is only that "The Model" assumes with 100% certainty that we know who will win those states.

LJay said...

that percentage is admissable in court
if obama loses this site is dead

aaron said...

I've been reading since before Nate stopped posting as Poblano and through many of the contentious developments in the model, and now that we are at the end I want to thank Nate, Sean, and Brett for all they have done in providing the most statistically rigorous polling aggregation site anywhere on the web and some of the most thoughtful political analyses and insight period. Have fun tonight and I look forward to seeing what you have in store for us until the 2010 elections start revving up (hoping to see predictions for state executive positions next go around)

rcnj3890 said...

No more Today's Polls after today! That really stinks. Still, it's been amazing. I hope the final prediction ends up being right...or that it wasn't optimistic enough.

Terry Hayes said...

Thanks for everything, Nate. See you at BP.

Steve said...

Wow, this is great! I'm not going to breathe easily quite yet, but this is very reassuring news. Thank you, 538, for doing such a fantastic job!
You're helping to make sense out of the world, keep it up in whatever form that it takes you!

Andy JS said...

Thanks so much Nate, Sean, and everyone at fivethirtyeight.com.

I have to confess I'm feeling pretty good right now. I didn't expect my prediction of October 11th to be the same as Nate's final forecast!

Lawrence said...

Keep your fingers crossed for the Georgia shocker, people.

zzyzx said...

dcb - what are you hearing? I'm reading reports of heavy turnout in red areas too so I'd love to hear some good news.

"What is happening in Virginia? I heard bad things"

You want to vague that up some more?

Kurt said...

Just wanted to share a voting story.

There's a Republican that works in my office (yeah, I know not that strange, but out here in San Francisco there are more open gays in the office then Republicans, so it kinda stands out). She voted for Obama (yes, even the rightys in San Francisco go blue). That's not the story.

She talked to her parents in Ohio this morning. Her parents are dyed in the wool Republicans. And I don't mean in the tend-to-be-conservative San Francisco way. I mean in the "life-long, don't even know the candidates names because they vote straight ticket every year like they have since they were 18" Republicans. They both voted for Obama.

Reason: McCain/Palin was just "too scary".

Gobama! Barack the vote!

K from VA said...

It's almost sad the pie chart doesn't even have room for red just white for McCain.

Last gasp of the Bush dynasty...

Ty said...

I didn't see Ohio included in the states Obama will win in addition to what Kerry won.

V for Vacuous said...

Remember, remember, the 5th of November, a day she'll be just a blot. I know of all reasons and will cherish the seasons when Palin will be forgot.

Ed said...

Thanks, Nate (and Sean) for putting together and running such a fantastic site. I had been hoping for years for a site like this, and you could not have done a better job. Now let's sit back and witness history in the making!

Anne said...

@jo: More than once I've found myself wishing that Ray Charles had lived for this day.
Thanks for the link (tears coming yet again).
Just voted: yes on O, no on 8.

dk_brown said...

I took a screen shot at 10:25a PST and would love to see this confirmed at about 9p PST. If CA's Prop 8 goes down to defeat (I am not optimistic, unfortunately), this will be the best election in my voting life.

Antmatic said...

Anyone have a link to these YouGov state polls?

Lauren said...

I look forward to consoling my Staunch Republican father, just as he did for me after the last 2 presidential elections!!

muzzybeat said...

What about Obama winning Ohio?

Uh... your article excludes Ohio from the states that you project Obama to win tonight. This contradicts your sidebar, which gives Obama a 3.4 point edge. I assume this is an erroneous typo omission... a significant one, though.

Please explain either way.

Thank you.

John O said...

Amazing website, incredible pictures, great commentary and storytelling from the road. Thank you guys for all that you did!!
Keep on keepin' on.

Cody said...

My polling station ran out of ballots at 10:45 am in SF today and the ballot reader was broken...

Amazing...

wv: Cryar - what McShame robo wife will be after realizing see spends the rest of her life staring across the cold room at that mean old man.

Gavin said...

Thank you, Nate. You've been a class act. I've enjoyed following your site, and I've been appreciated seeing you on various news shows.

I look forward to seeing what you do next.

Dead Cat Bounce said...

Oh my God--I just realized it as well. We've had our LAST poll update!

I'm going into withdrawal already!

One$Earned said...

In the last hour in my neighborhood
in Brown Deer WI I've seen four
Obama/Biden volunteers canvasing the
neighborhood doing what they do
best, GOTV. Impressive, at least
from my vantage point.

I almost forgot, WI is 'Safe Dem'
according to fivethirtyeight.

Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...

Nate, Sean and Brett---thank you so much---and please do a book---get it out by Christmas.

Robert said...

Thanks for all your work Nate and congrats on your new stardom. This site deserves all the attention it's getting and I'm looking forward to what you and the team will do after today.

All we can do now is hope the polling has been decent and watch the returns come in.

Andy JS said...

ty:

Yes, Ohio should have been in that list of states Obama wins in addition to Kerry.

Grabloid said...

really great work. i saw about your site and linked up from democracynow.org
...keep it going...

Rache said...

Thank you Nate, for the awesome tracking, late nights and 'unleent' numbers!

I've been a 538.com junkie since I found you! Keep up the great work.

Obama/Biden 08!

Wormfather said...

So is FiveThirtyEight calling the election?

David said...

I've become addicted to this site...just want to say what a terrific job you've done.

Kudos.

Obama08 said...

Is there a way to print out only the last line of every state's little box? You know the one with the Projection in it? I would like to bring it with me to the rally.

oct said...

Best election polling site on the web. I'm a fan forever.

snurersa

Tgold65 said...

Thank you Nate and Sean for creating such a great site and allowing us all to embrace our inner geeks.

Speaking as someone with an electical engineering degree, I love the fact that I can come to your site and put my faith in statistical calculations and numbers and not in the pundits and their desire to have a close race so people tune in.

Fabulous job, wonderful site, keep up the amazing work!

Oh yeah. Go Obama!

Lady said...

Hey Nate, any way we can get a picture of YOUR campaign headquarters, the nerve center of FiveThirtyEight? I'm incredibly curious to get a behind-the-scenes look... :-)

Andy JS said...

Some of the exit polls in 2004 showed Kerry winning by 5 million votes. I hope that doesn't happen again.

tomthress said...

"My Prediction:
Obama 391 EV Kerry + NV AZ NM CO MT ND IA MO IN OH VA NC GA FL
McCain 147 EV

Between +10.5-11.5% popular vote"

This is where I'm leaning right now, too. But your math's wrong on your EV:

Kerry(252)+NV(5)+AZ(10)+NM(5)+CO(9)+MT(3)+ND(3)+IA(7)+MO(11)+IN(11)+OH(20)+VA(13)+NC(15)+GA(15)+FL(27) equals 406. I'd add one for NE-1 just for kicks - 407 total.

The Big Picture said...

Nate,

Thanks so much for all the work you've done. I've been checking the site incessantly over the last month and I couldn't have made it through without it. I hope so much that your projections are accurate!

Batamm said...

There is not a RED AMERICA or BLUE AMERICA there is the UNITED STATES of AMERICA

Dead Cat Bounce said...

Seriously, though, I'm with Nate on ignoring the exit polls, just as a sanity-protection measure.

It's guaranteed to go more or less like this:

-First results indicate a big Obama victory
-Fox News et al starts screaming "Ohio 2004"! and takes this to mean McCain will win
-Obama supporters go through several hours of unnecessary panic

Really, save yourself the anguish, people.

Nicolas said...

Suggestion: It would be great to see you guys do an analysis of the most surprising/interesting/important poll results after the election. In other words - what does this election tell us about electoral changes that will impact future elections?

SuperstarJ2ThaR said...

Dead Cat Bounce,

Yes, please share stories of Obama's GOTV. Please. I'm begging you.

Andy JS said...

The best moment of the night would be if Obama wins Arizona. I don't think that will happen, but you never know.

Katherine said...

Thank you guys so much for such a fabulous site and for giving us great insight into this election. I talk about Nate and Sean so much that I've given people the impression that I actually know you. Information I can trust is so invaluable - thank you and keep up the great work!!

O-BA-MA!!

champion88 said...

"People don't change their minds in the last six to twelve hours before going into the polling booth."


Some kid today told us that he is a registered Democrat and decided to vote McCain on the way to the booth this morning!

Isotopeblue said...

Thanks for your exceptional negative impact on my productivity this year!

Obama08 said...

Or could we even get a single chart like the one above with todays polls on it, but instead have the chart contain the Projection line for each state?

eddiesocket said...

Wait...who is "YouGov" and where have they been this whole campaign, and why should we trust their numbers?

Cameron said...

Nate,

Thanks for the chance to spend more time on the Internet. Great work this election cycle!

goatdan said...

Oh yeah, been meaning to do this. Official prediction for tonight...

What Nate said plus:

Georgia
Indiana
Missouri
North Dakota
Montana

Total 396 - Obama, 142 McCain

Georgia gives me the feeling that its going blue with all the activity and voting down there that has already happened. Out of all the states, it gives me the largest 'gut' feeling of enthusiasm.

Indiana is very close, and I think that the manufacturing center and the fact that Obama is paying extra attention to it will put it over in a squeaker. If their polls were open later, Indiana would be blue for certain.

Missouri has been floating back and forth right at the cusp for a while, and I think the superior ground game will push it over the top.

North Dakota and Montana are similar, and I think that the fact that Obama has talked about how his energy plans include wind energy that would be created largely in these two states which would mean multiple high-end jobs as well as a large boost to their economies (especially with a small number of people in both currently to reap those rewards) and I think that they could both swing into blue territory.

I also think that Arizona will be extremely close, although not enough to make it blue, and Louisiana will be closer than predicted thanks to the still semi-fresh memory of Katrina.

Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...

Sweet Potato/Pecan Pie will be done in 5 minutes.

GARF FILTER said...

NATE SILVER ROCKS!

having this kind of comprehensive info for the past fews months has been really interesting. i hope your efforts and skills continue to be a force for good.

damn, i cant wait for 4pm here in the west coast. party at the hyatt in century city tonite, woooooohoooo.

Gen Sherman said...

Going out on a limb here, but MO is going blue. Here's why:

Got a call from my wife in her polling place. There's no line overthere. I'm over here at my polling place, and no line. Where's the turnout?

We live in the heavily Republican SW section of MO. The low turnout here compared to the massive voting going on in the Democratic strongholds of St. Louis and KC must mean only one thing.

GREAT NEWS FOR JOHN McCAIN!!!

Ben said...

GOTV in VA from another board I post on:

Quick note "from the field." Obama's office in Arlington, VA had too many volunteers. So my buddy and I are headed out to Herndon, VA. Others are being sent down to Springfield...pretty impressive.

Andy JS said...

538's figures shows Missouri on a knife-edge:
McCain + 0.2%

Arizona is predicted to be: McCain + 4.9%.

Chance that Obama wins PA? 100%. I like that.

Rightwingsnarkle said...

538 ROX!!11!

Glenghis said...

A last snippet of conspiracy for the republicans out there - while watching the Obama Votes vid on the Huffington Post, I was struck by just how much like a black Prince Charles he looks - those ears!

IS BARRACK OBAMA THE SECRET LOVE CHILD OF PRINCE CHARLES AND MOIRA STUART? I THINK WE SHOULD BE TOLD1!!1!!wun.

Blue_in_CO said...

Thanks so much to the entire 538 crew. One less addiction for me starting tomorrow :)

goatdan said...

@ guy -- Nate is pro-Obama this year. Read through the FAQ where he explains his choice, although he also explains that he hopes that it doesn't influence his numbers.

I'm relatively certain that we'll soon see that his numbers were low, anyway.

Peter said...

Nate -- thanks so much for all of your great work, amazing analysis and keeping us all informed. Well done! It is very much appreciated by those of us who care!

rosaqueen said...

I don't think Obama will win Georgia. It's too close. The Secretary of State there won't let that happen.

Hannah said...

I am 22 and I'd like to capture my thoughts before America either elects a president who its first 26 presidents could have legally owned, or brazenly subverts the very ideals it was founded upon by manipulating numbers in a final embarrassingly overt goosestep towards corporate totalitarianism.

I am nervous. And not night-before-the-swim-test nervous or even night-you-lose-your-virginity nervous, it's a low rumbling primal panic which I can only liken to Star Wars panic. Disney panic. The edge-of-your-seat-terror that makes you wonder if Skywalker's doomed after he refuses to join Darth Vader and drops down into the abyss, if the wicked octopus or grand vizier or steroid-pumping-village-misogynist is going to wed/kill/skin the dashing prince and then evil people in dark funny costumes are going to take over the world... if it wasn't a movie of course.

And tonight it's not. It's not a movie and yet I feel like Obama might as well be wearing an American flag cape while a decaying McCain, in a high-tech robotic spider wheelchair wearing an eyepatch and stroking an evil cat, gives orders to a sexy scheming Palin who marches back and forth through their sub-terranian campaign lair in four inch thigh-highs and full-body black leather catsuit bossing around the evangelical ants with a loooooong whip... umm... is this just me?

Anyway, the point is that things feel weird folks. I have friends who have peed in waterbottles to keep from interrupting a Halo-playing marathon who got off their asses/couches to volunteer for the Obama campaign not once, but many times. Friends so cheap their body content is at least 1/3 Ramen Noodle who donated a good deal of their hard-earned cash to the campaign. People have registered to vote in record numbers, and yet, something just doesn't feel right. I think we should stop congratulating ourselves for just voting. To vote is a privilege which people have died for, and I think there's a whole lot more to be done for the country than to simply help win an election every 4 years.

Hundreds of millions of dollars, hundreds of thousands of man-hours spent on both sides by good-intentioned people who want to make a difference in an historic election, so many resources and voices and energies devoted to a single day. After tomorrow, half of that is going to have been a waste. And I can't help but wonder what could have happened if all that muscle had been put towards something else, and what will happen to its momentum after the election has come and gone. Shouldn't we be donating our money to good causes whenever we can? Helping people who don't have? Dedicating some of our time to contribute to making the country which provides for us a better place? Of course a power shift is a hugely significant step on the path to great reform, but worrying about this election has been a wakeup call for me:

Even if Obama wins, we have not "won." This isn't a movie and we can't toss every greedy lobbyist oil fatcat bigot down a reactor shaft. I think if we dedicate ourselves to the ongoing welfare of the country as much as we have to the outcome of this election, we'll have a much better shot at coming closer to the overwhelming good the liberals hope Obama will usher in, but which no mere mortal could fully realize alone.

Which brings me to the other side. I've heard a lot of people claim that if McCain wins, they're leaving. I heard the same thing about Bush's reelection, and his unelection before that, and nobody seems to be leaving. And that's fine. Because as much as I complain about certain political happenings, atrocities, etc., I really do like it here and I suspect most other people do too. We have New York and Hollywood, purple mountain's majesty and sea to shining sea, we created jazz and country music and baseball and cars and lightbulbs and computers and that movie with hundreds of animated singing Chihuahuas! I mean who among the shivering Plymouth pilgrims ever imagined ordering hundreds of animated singing chihuahuas onto a magical box from an invisible information superweb?

The point being, if things don't turn out the way I want tomorrow, I feel compelled, as a college-graduated adultish-type-person, to take a stand. And if I'm going to leave I'm going to leave. But if I'm going to stay I'm not going to sit around whining like I have for the past 8 years. It's like when I don't clean my room because it's dirty and then I blame the dirt. So in my very indecisive way, before you and your screen, I'm declaring my intention to make some kind of stand in the event of -(Ican'tevensayit)-, and encouraging you to consider making one too...

Jump the ship or grab a bucket?
-Sigh-
Wasn't everything so much easier back when the worst possible affront to your values was a PB&J sandwich cut diagonally with crust?

Anyways, I guess what I'm saying is that if we're going to stay on board, we should probably be generous with our time and resources when times are tough even more than when the hero saves the day. Because what if he doesn't? And what if he can't? "Yes we can" should mean more than just winning an election if we're really committed to change.

Best,
Hannah Friedman
www.writinghannah.blogspot.com

Carlo Graziani said...

To use Fivethirtyeight as a basis for predictions or bets:

The mean (currently 348.6) is probably not the most useful point estimate. If you have to pick a single value, pick one of the modes (most frequent simulation outcomes), that is 311, 353, 364, 338, 291.

If you're in a pool, and get to pick (say) a 5-EV range, slide a 5-EV window across the EV distribution plot until it brackets the most blue. Working from the plot by eye, I'd say that the range 376-380 might be optimal, or possibly 364-368 (which has that nice peak at 364, plus that solid-looking shoulder to it's right).

WV: Neolob -- new-fangled pitch?

Patrick said...

Nate,

from a keen British observer I'd like to say thanks for a really solid piece of work. You've made the process of turning a massive amount of small bits of info into a single understandable overview quite simply excellent.

Word of warning to most of your commentariat - we have suffered cruelly in the UK from redistributive high tax high spend policies over the last decade. Yes, the Liberal joy of seeing Bush go will be high. You may not be quite so delirious in a few years' time. Enjoy your moment while it lasts.

SlipperySlope said...

I predict 400+ EV based upon my belief in the (1) Obama GOTV effort (2) undecideds break for Obama due to a desire to vote for the winner and to participate in history, and (3) McCain constituency demoralized thus less likely to turnout.

Each of my points are not incorporated in the polls.

Andy JS said...

John McCain's advisers must have told him he's not going to win tonight, after these predictions from 538 and also Rove.

Giuseppe Di Fazio said...

I have visited your website every single day since I first stumbled upon it and this is my first comment. You did a great job. I wish you well.

Milly said...

wv=miculag. McCain lags in the polls and in the voting.

Thank you Nate, Sean and Brett you have given me hours and hours of fun, entertainment and more importantly I have learnt so much.

Khi said...

This has been my first and last stop for as much of this election cycle as it has been available. Thanks for the incredible work, congrats on the well-deserved notoriety, and here's looking to an interesting and bright 538 future.

If you're reading this and haven't yet, GO VOTE!

Batamm said...

Which state is the "surprise" of the night. I think its Georgia.

Lauren said...

I've never posted but I wanted to today. Thank you Nate and Sean, for doing this. It has been so great to come here every day, multiple times for of course the numbers but also the inspiring on the road stories. I've also enjoyed seeing you on TV Nate and look forward to tonight's coverage.

Subterranean said...

lady asked:

"Hey Nate, any way we can get a picture of YOUR campaign headquarters, the nerve center of FiveThirtyEight? I'm incredibly curious to get a behind-the-scenes look... :-)"

Here's a NYT snapshot of Nate in action.

And ChicagoBusiness profile of Nate described his workspace thusly: "Mr. Silver does much of that groundbreaking work holed up in a dimly lit, sparsely appointed apartment. Stationed on a black leather couch against an exposed brick wall, he monitors the frenetic news cycle on his laptop and a flat-screen TV."

Blue_in_CO said...

Does everyone think this thing will be called tonight?

WakeUpEverybody said...

To Guy from S. Africa - yes Nate is for Obama.

Nate et al - you guys are the best. It cannot be said enough. I'm now a diehard fan and look forward to whatever it is that you all will be doing next.

The last poll - I'm cryin. Really.


WV - whick - what happens when you lose the maver part of maverick.

mizack2 said...

...Hannah, I think I love you after reading that.


WV = barsingi

What I'll be doing while celebrating Barack's win tonight!

Dead Cat Bounce said...

Here's one GOTV story, at Fox no less.

link

You kind of have to read between the lines (it's Fox, after all), but it doesn't sound good for McCain taking PA.

Betty Cracker said...

I don't think I've ever posted here before, but I've been following your site obsessively for well over a year. Thanks to all the 538 team. You guys are the best.

One$Earned said...

Hats off to Nate & Sean for a
site that has captivated my attention
most every evening for the past two
months.

I've book marked this site on all
four of my computers at home plus my
three computers at work.

Now that's some sort of an addition
for sure.

This is the way to analyze the
continuously changing polls and
fivethirtyeight did it with class,
intelligence, statistical
principals, fantastic threads and
commentary.

^5

Urbangal said...

@ davidteich:even when obama wins, those 8 years of darkness still have 77 days left to go. As we speak, Bush and his cronies are feverishly working to undo the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act, the Endangered Species Act, our civil liberties, and a woman's right to chose. It will take years (or maybe never) for a new president and congress to undo that damage

Sorry - hate to be a buzz hack. I'm excited about Obama to the point where I want to dance in the streets. But we still have those damn 77 days.

Here's to holding our collective breath!

Magni Harvald said...

Good news for Life on Earth, this election affects more than just American citizens, it affects every living being on this planet.

I'll be watching this all night from across the pond =D

Guancous said...

Take a look at the difference in the electoral college between November 2006 and November 2008. Amazing.

DanP said...

If the cell-phone-only effect is real, then Missouri comes on board.

So, I think it ends up 364...or maybe even more (ND and MT).

Andy J said...

I just wanted to say thanks for putting all the time and effort into this website, along with your various interviews. It's made the election cycle that much more exciting for me and has sparked a renewed interest in national politics. So, thanks!

Sean said...

There is not a RED AMERICA or BLUE AMERICA there is the UNITED STATES of AMERICA

(but mostly blue)


And I'm cooking sweet potatoes as we speak for the filling.

SWEET POTATO PIE!!!

b said...

Nate, I know that you hear this all of the time, but you have TRULY made following this election a pleasure.

Congratulations on the incredle props that you've received for your work, and thanks, thanks, thanks for your insight and humor.

Yolanda said...

As of right now, one national voter protection group says it has received 27,000 reports of problems.
- In Virginia, problems at polling places have been reported from over ten locations all across the state, including Richmond, Portsmouth, Lynchburg, Chesapeake, Vienna, Newport News and Virginia Beach, according to voter protection groups. The most common complaints are about long lines. However, problems with voter registration and polling machines not functioning properly in several locations has also been reported. Some voters are reporting there have been no offers of paper ballots. And even as of 7am, Some polling places were not open.
- Rain in some areas of the state have been causing problems with the optical scanners because of wet ballots.

- In Pennsylvania, Bethlehem, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh have reported a number of problems with voting machine malfunctions in, as well as major breakdowns at three precincts in Allegheny County. CBS Newshas confirmed with state officials that there have been machine malfunctions throughout the state.

- There have been reports of a few precincts in Philadelphia running out of paper ballots. People have been given provisional ballots in these cases.[...] State guidelines also dictate that these provisional ballots must be marked “emergency,” so they will be counted with the rest of the ballots today.

- The McCain/Palin campaign has sent out an email stating that Republican election board workers in at least six precincts in Philadelphia have been tossed by the Democrat judge of elections. The reason provided was that they are the “minority party.” They are seeking an injunction in court today for the improper removal of “credentialed” poll workers.

- In Ohio, voting rights groups have received reports out of Columbus that many people are experiencing problems with malfunctioning voter machines, resulting in long lines. In a few of these locations, they say, the machines are not working at all.



SHOCKING.

You're not getting away with it this time GOP.

The ONLY way McCain wins, is if the GOP cheats.

That's why turnout is so important. They can't turn away everyone and high turnout takes the chances of this being stolen to a small, small level.

IF he were to win, it would be HIGHLY SUSPECT.

chris said...

I don't know whom I love more, Sean and Nate, or Keith Olbermann for bringing this site to my attention.

Much love for fivethirtyeight, thank you for all your hard work. Well done.

champion88 said...

Does anyone know where I can find an interactive electoral map, where I can assign states to different categories, such as solid obama, leaning obama, barely obama, tossups, barely McCain, leaning McCain, and solid McCain???


Thanks for your help!

DaWolf said...

@Patrick

I'm in the UK too. I have no idea what high taxes you're talking about, frankly.

jjph said...

This site was the straight talk express, the way it used to be!!1 Thanks Nate, Sean and all 538ers. Awesome work, I have even developed a love of baseball b y association. I think we should all click on the paypal button and give these dudes $10 for the effort since we don't have to give OB any more money (more of course if you are not a student).