11.03.2008

Today's Polls, 3 AM Edition (11/3)

Barack Obama's position has become somewhat stronger since our update this afternoon. We now have him with a 5.8 point lead in the national popular vote, and winning the election 96.3 percent of the time. Earlier today, those figures were 5.4 and 93.7, respectively.

I continue to find a hair's worth of tightening on balance in the state-by-state polls -- even as Obama's position in the national trackers seems to be roughly as strong as it has ever been. This, ironically, is the exact reverse of the position we saw earlier in the week, when the national polls seemed to be tightening even as the state polls weren't.

However, Obama's win percentage has ticked upward again for a couple of reasons. Firstly, he's gotten some relatively good numbers out of Pennsylvania since our last update, with PPP and Zogby giving him leads of 8 and 14 points, respectively, and Rasmussen showing his lead expanding to 6 points after having been at 4 before. (The Zogby poll is probably an outlier, but may serve to balance out outliers like Strategic Vision on the other side).

Secondly, McCain's clock has simply run out. While there is arguable evidence of a small tightening, there is no evidence of a dramatic tightening of the sort he would need to make Tuesday night interesting.

Related to this is the fact that there are now very, very few true undecideds left in this race. After accounting for a third-party vote, which looks as though it will come in at an aggregate of 2 percent or so (after doing some work on this tonight, I concluded that I had been slightly underestimating the third-party vote before), I am showing only about 2.7 percent of the electorate left to allocate between the two major-party candidates. Even if John McCain were to win 70 perecnt of the remaining undecideds (which I don't think is likely), that would only be worth a net of about a point for him. Frankly, McCain's winning scenarios mainly involve the polls having been wrong in the first place -- because of a Bradley Effect or something else. It is unlikely that the polls will "tighten" substantially further -- especially when Obama already has over 50 percent of the vote.

It's very late, obviously, so we won't get into too much more detail, but a couple of quick notes.

--> Don't worry too much about that SurveyUSA result in Minnesota, which shows Obama just 3 points ahead. SurveyUSA's polling in Minnesota has been very, very weird all year; they've never shown Obama with larger than a 6 point lead in their likely voter model, and had McCain ahead in the state as recently as October 1st. SurveyUSA does not have a Republican lean in general, but in Minnesota, it has consistently had a huge one.

--> A couple of the national polls have now started to predict how undecided voters will behave and allocate them between the two major-party candidates. I use the versions of these surveys before any such allocations are made, as from my point of view it isn't the pollster's job to get into the prediction business (our model has its own ideas about how to handle undecideds).

442 comments

Bootleg said...

FIRST!

CA Hawkeye said...

Nate,

Thanks for all your great work.

Get a little rest. It will be a long next couple of days.

GOBAMA!!!

Robert said...

third!

CA Hawkeye said...

Beautiful set of polls. Who would have guessed, much less hoped, that we would be here at this point in time.

GOBAMA!!!

justsomeguy said...

Thank you Nate!

Chris Coleridge said...

Thanks Nate. The tightening of McCain from 40-1 shot to 16-1 shot never seemed real....and wasn't reflected on the betting sites.

Roll on Tuesday.

Cesar said...

Sixth!

Juho Hemmola said...

It's great getting an update at 3AM. Fortunatly for me (first time poster, long time addict) it's 10AM here in europe.
Good work, Nate and Sean. A truly remarkable site. Keep it up!

CA Hawkeye said...

Nate,

As many have said before, after the election let's have a contest and post on what to name the model. The winner gets to buy you dinner and one damn good bottle of wine.

GOBAMA!!!

justsomeguy said...

Turn out the vote and party for eight years.

Who would have dreamed we could be here now? This is better than my best case scenario 6 months ago.

Fred's Shorts said...

If our fearless leader (NATE) gonna start posting at 3AM, none of us gonna have much sleep for the next forty-eight hours.


How low can the McCain win % go?

WV: hotolepi: After the election, the Republican party sent the hotolepi.

justsomeguy said...

Melatonin Nate, it really makes the few hours sleep that much deeper and more refreshing.

CA Hawkeye said...

This will be studied for a long time as the model for a modern campaign and Nate as the state of the art in analyzing it.

GOBAMA!!!

Valpey said...

Pac-Man says "CHOMP!"

Now, that's more like it.

Ready for dessert.

Zenu said...

I thought you'd fall asleep.

The MO numbers are irritating me. In MO, we've got MD giving it M+1 and Zogby with O+1.7.

At this point Zogby is just an outlier to me, I don't take it at face value. And MD has its' republican lean, so honestly I think that puts MO at anywhere from +1 to +3 for Obama. Am I wrong for thinking this?

jwhit said...

Thanks for such dedication, Nate, at such an ungodly hour.

The Cleveland rally was streamed live today. Wow! And just as Obama started talking about Cheney's endorsement of McCain, the heavens opened. He didn't miss a beat. Pointed out the sign, said that in 2 days, the clouds would begin to clear and a new day would be dawning. Shear poetry!

You and 538 were mentioned all over Huffpost today. I kept thinking: I know that guy!

Weird. [just like the word verification I have to type to post this: popsyco ]

swiss mike said...

Yes - we here in europe are very pleased with this morning round-up. Just one more day! Excellent work!

Jeff said...

Nate-

Yeah, it's the opposite of earlier this week because there's a LAG with state polls... or vice versa.

I don't know how to explain it, but for whatever reason, it's there. Whenever the nationals tighten, the states invariably tighten about 3-5 days later. If Obama's most recent momentum in the national polls is the "true" state of the race, then by Tuesday he'll have his big leads back in the states and we'll see big numbers for him Tuesday night.

I know you said it wasn't true, but this has happened several times in this race, and every time a national tightening is followed by a state-level tightening about 3-5 days later.

Werner said...

Thanks, Nate.

Now ... get some sleep ;-)

justsomeguy said...

MO will be very close and it will come down to voter suppression/turnout in St. Louis.

I would kinda like to win big and lose MO, I just moved from there and I would love to see them lose their bellwether status.

CA Hawkeye said...

McFailin win percentage at 3.7%. I could vote for McGrumpy or buy a lottery ticket. I think my odds are better with the ticket.

GOBAMA!!!

HedgeHog said...

Ahhhh...good to see. Its 4:15pm where I am, I'm an American expat on a stint in Asia for business. I've been following this as obsessively as all of you guys which for me means being up in the middle of the night while its daytime in the US. I love seeing updates like this during my day!

You rock Nate! I have a stats and math background as well and love your work.

The Moderate Maverick said...

I just got up an hour after your poll. You really should go to bed.

obsessed said...

no evidence of a dramatic tightening of the sort he would need to make Tuesday night interesting.

Interesting for you maybe. "Interesting" is no longer interesting to me - my nerves are shot. I just want a clean Obama win locked in as soon as humanly possible. I can't take it anymore. Like the guy in hell who keeps pushing the rock up the hill while eagles eat his spleen, my brain has an infinite loop of troll posts screaming at me without respite.

AAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Adam said...

Thank you sweet Jesus (aka Nate) for that update. The previous update's major fluctuation really had me worried.

WV: lobst -- what I will eat to celebrate when this is over.

james said...

Hi Nate and you all. I donno what's the sadder fact - that Nate is posting polls at 3am or that we're checking them.
Thanks Nate, and hang in there, everyone - not long now!

justsomeguy said...

My prediction? Fox News calls the race first, at just before 10 PM ET.

justsomeguy said...

Amazing traffic at 4:23 ET.

I have to work tomorrow!

McGhee said...

Well done for your dedication Nate - you really keep us all going with the updates. We will be watching from 6am Australian time on Wednesday and heading to an Obama victory party at the local pub 12 hours later. You guys are brilliant, make sure you have a chance to enjoy the moment.

Matthew said...

I will take a 95% chance of an Obama 311 EV win over a 90% chance of an Obama 375 EV win anyday! Or very late at night, as the case may be.

I hope that even if Obama doesn't outright win NC, MO, IN. GA or MT, he still comes close enough that the terms "red state" and "Real America" will be layed to rest.

lilnev said...

PPP is investing in large sample sizes. Methinks they want the "our last poll was closest" bragging rights.

x0lani said...

Thanks, Nate, for what is for you a late-night post.

How exciting - Only 28 hours 'til voting begins! I can't wait to see your post-election analysis.

Moose said...

Australian here who is also obsessively following all this and of course rooting for Obama. i think by now I know more about this race than 99% of Americans, which is kind of sad. :/

Unrepentent Whitlamite said...

Dear Mr Silver;

Please go to bed. We are awed by your dedication and your near-obsessive devotion to the site, but 3am is far too early (or late). Even presidents need their sleep, you know. Monday night, you hit the hay at 8 pm. You'll be needed tomorrow.

(I have an excuse -- I'm Australian. You don't.)

George In Florida said...

Nate:

GO TO SLEEP!!

We need you alert for the next two days!!

obsessed said...

Australian here who is also obsessively following all this and of course rooting for Obama. i think by now I know more about this race than 99% of Americans, which is kind of sad. :/

you should've seen us trying to follow that last Australian election!

So many parties - so confusingly named - but at least it worked out for the best.

vote4america said...

A more thorough analysis of the Republican lean in the SurveyUSA poll from Minnesota

Douglas Watts said...

Nevada looks like a lock.

Smitty said...

Yes! The polls arrive.

Mahalo, Nate.

Grab some rest while you can!

hylogyj - a rare, nearly invisible creature that lives in hydrogen environments.

Matthew said...

And what more polls would be needed to move Colorado and Virginia to 100% ?

I guess we will only get those polls in on Tuesday!

obsessed said...

Nevada looks like a lock.

please elaborate! Do you feel similarly about CO?

obsessed said...

Nevada looks like a lock.

it looks more like a rhombus to me

EmonOkari said...

Is this the 'final' Poll Update of the election? Is this model the 'final version'?

Rick said...

EmonOkari said...
"Is this the 'final' Poll Update of the election? Is this model the 'final version'?"

Doubt it. There should be additional polls coming out through Monday. Everyone wants to get the last word in and have a shot at being the most "accurate" out there.

obsessed said...

Is this the 'final' Poll Update of the election? Is this model the 'final version'?

hardly ... there are still 39.5 hours of torture before the first real election results start to come in.

Nicholas said...

my question is: how are there still undecideds? Mr. and Ms. Undecided: you have less than 48 hours to decide!
--------------------------
Obama 2008
“Mad McCain” videos: http://tv1.com/playlists/show/11

Zenu said...

PPP FL

O 50
M 48

Ben said...

PPP FL:

O 50
M 48

George In Florida said...

The big question is:

Is this the final poll update of the night? I need to get some sleep!

Mike said...

Nth!!!

No sleep 'til the White House

GaMeS said...

First: Nate, for God's sake, get some fucking sleep!!!! We need you alert and sharp for the next 44 hours or so, and this will probably be the last sleep you get until Tuesday night. =)

Second:

justsomeguy said...

My prediction? Fox News calls the race first, at just before 10 PM ET.

I honestly have to wonder how gun-shy they'll be about calling it even when they're sure they have the right outcome. I suspect we'll see a lot of "too early to call" (as opposed to "too close to call") on Tuesday night as they try to avoid embarrassment.

Also, I do have to wonder if they'll actually call the race before the polls close on the west coast. My hunch: They'll call it no earlier than 11pm EST.



[WV] baser. No presidential campaign in history has been baser than the McCain-Palin team.

Rick said...

Nicholas said...
"my question is: how are there still undecideds? Mr. and Ms. Undecided: you have less than 48 hours to decide!"

I think most undecideds at this point are either hating both and trying to determine the lesser evil, or else simply refuse to admit who they will or have voted for. Just like you'll see in polling of folks that have already voted that the numbers never add up to 100%. Some of that could be rounding and weighting, but I'd say a good portion is simply folks who don't mind answering most opinion questions but won't say who they voted for.

Rick said...

George In Florida said...
"The big question is:

Is this the final poll update of the night? I need to get some sleep!"

Blasphemy! This is the first poll update of the new morning. Time to get up and start all over again. But then it helps that I work a midnight shift and can feed my compulsion on the clock.

Douglas Watts said...

Mason Dixon now has Colorado at O +5. That's a big margin for their polling, which tends to have very narrow spreads.

With all of the early voting in CO it seems hard for McCain to find enough people who haven't voted yet to make such a large swing.

wv: "forksma"

Stick a forksma in it, it's sma-done.

MisterEd said...

I'll take a stab at naming the model.

Polls
Analyzed and
Unified
Linearly with
Simulations
Enumerated by
Nate

PAULSEN

Daniel said...

Thanks for all the hard work this election cycle Nate, you have been an indispensable read!

jqb said...

Like the guy in hell who keeps pushing the rock up the hill while eagles eat his spleen

Sisyphus: pushes rock up hill, it rolls back down, repeat forever

Prometheus: for giving fire to man, is chained to rock, eagles eat his liver but never consume it because he's immortal

wv: subtly -- how these myths are different

SHERWICK said...

The Model should obviously be called 'Deep Thought' !
What other name could there be?!

craigw5 said...

Nate, I've been following you since January. I can't believe it's less than 48 hrs to showtime. Kicking drugs was a lot easier than trying to go an hour without checking in at 538. GObama!

Rick said...

MisterEd said...
"I'll take a stab at naming the model."

The proper name should be Deep Thought. The second greatest computer in the Hitchhikers Guide series. It was created to determine the answer to the ultimate question. The question of Life, the Universe and Everything and it faithfully fulfilled its duty. However, while it could and did compute the answer to be 42, it didn't have a fricken clue what the question itself was. I cannot think of a more fitting name for something that analyses and predicts Elections based on polling data.

Nyjer said...

I won't be able to sleep until obama reaches 270 tuesday night, but thanks for the update. Only about 26 hrs until the first polls open...........:p

Barack the vote!

samfrye said...

Thanks for the AM update, Nate. It (along with everything else you have done) is much appreciated.

jqb said...

it looks more like a rhombus to me

Uh, no, it's a trapezoid with a nick.

MisterEd said...

@ Rick & SHERWICK

Nate's baseball projection model was named PECOTA after the utility infielder Bill Pecota. I thought that the most utility-infielderish of all Presidential candidates, Pat Paulsen, would make an appropriate namesake for the election model.

Geoff said...

(1) Nate, you have the admiration of an enormous sum of people, Dems & Pubs alike. Thank you for all your work, statistically & from the road.

(2) I predict MO & IN go to McCain... BUT, I predict that AZ, ND, & MT will go to Obama! & how about that MT +1, with a huuuge sample (albeit from Dem-ish pollster)!

(3) Those PA polls are just crazy good news for... ahem.

(4) Those VA polls are just insane good news for... cough cough.

(5) Lastly, I am curious about the Columbus Dispatch polls - they have enormous samples but have pitifully poor weights! What's up with them??

A good morning & rest of the day to you all!

(peasters - all-encompassing alternative pejorative term for trolls, concern trolls, fake trolls, poll trolls, Drudge trolls, & troll trolls.)

obsessed said...

Wow - in the PPP FL poll it shows that 56% of respondents have already voted!

It also shows only 12% AA - as of 2000 FL had 15% AA and in this particular election we expect them to turn out at a higher rate than whites, right?

Rick said...

MisterEd said...
"@ Rick & SHERWICK

Nate's baseball projection model was named PECOTA after the utility infielder Bill Pecota. I thought that the most utility-infielderish of all Presidential candidates, Pat Paulsen, would make an appropriate namesake for the election model."

Just because that's how he chose to name his first model doesn't mean it has to be how he chooses to name this one.

obsessed said...

Sixty-eighth!

Swiff said...

But Nate, what about the new Sony/Microsoft/Wal*Mart tracking poll?!?!

also have you heard about the internal polls that show Obama losing NJ and tied in CA?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U9btB8FSPA

LMFAO

frank said...

Thanks Mr Silver!
The truth shall set you free!

EmonOkari said...

What other name could there be?!

Political
Electoral
College
Observation and
Tracking
Algorithm

Oh wait...is that one taken?

MisterEd said...

@ Rick

True that, I was only suggesting I guess any name's OK as long as it's not PALIN or MAVERICK. Or WV:rardne

Walter Mondale said...

In the beautiful words of Leonard Cohen:

It's coming through a hole in the air
From those nights in Tiananmen Square
It's coming from the feel
That it ain't exactly real
Or it's real, but it ain't exactly there
From the wars against disorder
From the sirens night and day
From the fires of the homeless
From the ashes of the gay

Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

JC said...

Good thing about these 3am posts is it gives us Aussies a chance to shine in the comments thread. We're just finishing dinner and even though there's little chance of a new post, we can't help but refresh just in case. Nate, thanks for the pleasant surprise!

obsessed said...

Obviously, the correct acronym is

P
O
B
L
A
N
O


But I'm too tired and rattled to even take a stab at it.

Slim said...

It is no surprise that the John McCain - Sarah Palin ticket has gone increasingly negative down the home stretch. They really don’t have any other options to close the gap. However, a new negative advertisement has been leaked that is particularly disturbing in its hypocrisy.

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Leaked_Ad_for_McCain_Palin_Abstinence_Only_for_America

Sarah Palin has consistently advocated abstinence-only education in schools, despite the fact that this philosophy has resulted with both Palin and her daughter conceiving out of wedlock. Clearly, abstinence-only has not worked for the Palin family, yet Sarah Palin wants to prescribe this in place of comprehensive sexual education for other young Americans.

This advertisement came from the same 527 group that put forth this anti-Obama spot last week…

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Leaked_Pro_McCain_527_Negative_Ad_Small_Town_Fear_Itself/

Soccer Mum said...

Nate's
Algorithm
Of
Magnificent
Ingenuity

Now that's a model!

neyels - what we all will be doing when Obama wins

Griffin100 said...

MacCain and Tina Fey Palin have lived in Pennsylvania the last few days in their own get out the vote -advertisement blitzkrieg, so some final tightening there will occur. All polls must lag some, so Rassmussen aside, winning Penn by even 1 there is a WIN. With the stakes and the uncertainty, everyone in a battleground must GOVOTE. OBAMA Volunteer Energy is fantastic but no one should think its over. I trust Nate, but GOVOTE. And GOBAMA.

jaduncan said...

"also have you heard about the internal polls that show Obama losing NJ and tied in CA?"

Heh. It's good for Republicans - taking insane poll numbers has less side effects than ant-depressants.

jfrancis said...

Thanks for the late update, Nate. I can't sleep and nothing brought me more joy than checking my RSS feed and seeing a 538 update.

I still fear the repercussions of Coal-gate, primarily in Pennsylvania, where the election will be won or lost (no other state even matters, in my book), and in Ohio, which could dampen a landslide if Obama loses it.

My guess is tomorrow's news cycle will largely ignore Coal-gate since the election is one day off (and there's no actual news there). Also, it's likely that the voters it would sway are the Appalachian voters that already lean McCain.

I can't sleep; need to get this thing over with. I even spent the evening in Hollywood at a film festival where Obama outpoints McCain about 99% to 1% and all I could do was check my phone's RSS for bad news.

Thanks for putting good news in a pessimistic insomniac's inbox.

Rick said...

Slim said...
"It is no surprise that the John McCain - Sarah Palin ticket has gone increasingly negative down the home stretch. They really don’t have any other options to close the gap. However, a new negative advertisement has been leaked that is particularly disturbing in its hypocrisy."

Sadly if you study most of the so called ideals of the McCain Palin ticket, particulary Palin's side, you'll find nothing but hypocrisy. For instance, Roe v Wade should be reversed because it should be up to states to decide things like that. But there should be a federal level ban on gay marriage.

Socialism is bad, but Alaska treats the oil as a communial resource which the oil companies have to pay a tax to be diverted to every citizen, shared equally.

They are there to fight the cronyism and corruption of Washington, but their campaign is almost entirely staffed by (ex)lobbiests, the general view of Palin's governorship is one of cronyism and she's been found guilty of ethics violations in one case (troopergate) and is under investigation by a second group on that case as well as another (charging the state for the kid's travel and living in their own home).

That she'd start this blatent hypocrisy is hardly a shock.

frank said...

A western world with serious, deep-rooted liberte, egalite, fraternite is the best hope of repairing the damage of the Reagan/Bush/Bush/Thatcher/Kohl/Sarko/Berlusconi LOOTOCRACY.
A lot of ground to make up.

PorridgeGun said...

I continue to find a hair's worth of tightening on balance in the state-by-state polls -- even as Obama's position in the national trackers seems to be roughly as strong as it has ever been. This, ironically, is the exact reverse of the position we saw earlier in the week, when the national polls seemed to be tightening even as the state polls weren't.I continue to find a hair's worth of tightening on balance in the state-by-state polls -- even as Obama's position in the national trackers seems to be roughly as strong as it has ever been. This, ironically, is the exact reverse of the position we saw earlier in the week, when the national polls seemed to be tightening even as the state polls weren't.I continue to find a hair's worth of tightening on balance in the state-by-state polls -- even as Obama's position in the national trackers seems to be roughly as strong as it has ever been. This, ironically, is the exact reverse of the position we saw earlier in the week, when the national polls seemed to be tightening even as the state polls weren't.





That's why I was a bit irritated about the national polls this time last week. I knew the state polls would begin to reflect the tightening of last week. Maybe they were lagging. Seeing as the MSM headline their newscasts with national polls, is the reversal a good or bad thing for McCain? MSNBC, in particular Joe Scarborough, and of course FOX would be jumping all over Mason-Dixon polls anyway, and they hardly ever shows Obama over 50%, so it doesn't really matter all that much.

Rain33 said...

Hello from New Zealand....(Hi Aussies) So close, after all this waiting can you all really believe we are now down to hours?

Even from wayyyy over here the excitement is palpable with people hovering over computers at work and screens refreshing. (I think bosses all over the planet will benefit come Wednesday)

Love this site, like others totally addicted....gee, how did we all cope years ago without all this stuff?

Rick said...

Rain33 said...
"Hello from New Zealand....(Hi Aussies) So close, after all this waiting can you all really believe we are now down to hours?

Even from wayyyy over here the excitement is palpable with people hovering over computers at work and screens refreshing. (I think bosses all over the planet will benefit come Wednesday)

Love this site, like others totally addicted....gee, how did we all cope years ago without all this stuff?"

Plain denial.

MrInsight22 said...

Nate is correct that McCain cannot move the polls much more. McCain's only hope is that the polls' demographic models are just plain wrong -- with the 70% who refuse to participate in polls right now being very different than the 30% who do take part.

Wallaby_Jof said...

9.17 p.m in Australia. Just wanted to tell you guys that I have enjoyed the past week lurking this site.
The feeling is EXACTLY the same as we had here this time last year, a hated conservative govt, a young fresh new alternative, polls indicating a Labor Government, and all of us worrying our guts out that the hatefilled warmongering, Bush loving, old right bastard would get back in.

Well they didn't and either will the Republicans.

Just something to look forward to when you guys turn all bolshie and get universal health cover.

i did a knee earlier this year, waited three months on a public wait list for an operation, got it in Sept, and didn't cost me a cent. We pay a levy thru our taxes for medical every year and get excellent health care.

Its terrible being in this socialist utopia :)

Enjoy the next 36 hours. The end of Bush and the beginning of your great leader of a country getting back the respect from the rest of us you deserve, a respect that has been pissed up against the wall by the fools and neo cons and hawks for the past 8 long years.

cheers

Blame said...

It's a wrap.

Last day of news today, and regardless there can only be one topic - Obama's chances. Nate is right. Time has run out.

Even if Obama has chosen to spend this night sleaping with a dead girl/live boy there is just no oxygen for the story.

kiess - as in "I don't care if Mccain will turn into a prince - He is too ugly to kiess.

Bobby said...

obsessed: you're confusing two greek myths - Sisyphus was condemted to roll a big boulder up a hill only to watch it roll down again. Prometheus was punished by Zeus for stealing fire to have his liver eaten and grow back daily.

Mikeydillywomber said...

Intrade about to hit 90 on intrade....so excited!!!! As we say in Louisiana ....Geaux Bama!!!!

Blame said...

Has anybody got some indigestion tablets for that poor PacMan?

Never as good idea to feed em after they should be in bed.

sovel - used by people with headcolds to move shit.

Daniel K said...

Just 1.. more.. day. ONE MORE DAY.

jwhit said...

Any Aussies know of Obama celebration parties open in Melbourne Wednesday night?

Aussie bloke said...
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Aussie bloke said...

Hi from Australia again

The Aussie press has gone bonkers for the election in the last two days and even they are getting excited about an Obama victory. Not surprising when 70% of Australian's want Obama to win.

I know people taking Wednesday off here to be glued to the TV all day. All our free to air stations will be covering it.

Sorry, jwhit, from Canberra.

Plus I know come Thursday I'll be getting loads more work done...where will I then feed my political/statistics addiction???!

stevemarker said...

Two possible names:
Numerical
Analytical
Tracking
Exercise

or

Statistical
Innovative
Likeliness
Verifiable
Electronics
Rating
System

(or both--it is Nate Silver's :-) )

But IMHO Silver is Gold :-).

And yes, I'd pre-order that "On The Road" book right now. Who would have thought we'd not only see the American dream played out by 3 guys becoming millionaires (as Nate, Sean, & Brett certainly will shortly) *and* we'd get a new Kerouac for this millenia?

wv: miessa: either something to do with my essence being partially imbedded in 538, or perhaps the state of many homes/streets after celebrations or maybe the state of the R's Wednesday--one big miessa (I hope anyway; gotta take my meds before the concern troll pops out).

2nd wv: somoutsm: So you're worried about GOTV efforts? Well, somoutsm more!

samule said...

wow drudge is getting quite agressive...seems like there's a lot of frustration involved

trying to push the coal skit, scare people off with a nasty picture of Pelosi and showing the out of context IBD/Tipp result (tied with 7.5% undecideds)...rofl

Miki said...

This is a fantastic site. Thanks for all the work. As a former AP Statistics teacher (now retired) I find this site fascinating. Since I live in Japan it will be Wednesday morning breakfast time as I get to see all the CNN results roll in. Go Obama

samule said...

Not surprising when 70% of Australian's want Obama to win.

I can beat that, 92% in Germany and 89% in France according to the last numbers!! Now that's some real HUSSEIN numbers ;-)

SHERWICK said...

The long era of 'conservative' rule in the USA is about to come to a shameful and ignominious end.

Thanks God.

jt said...

Nate,

With only two days left it "feels" wrong that the model is taking Obama in FL from a +2.4 polling average down to a 1 point projection, or in NC going from 1.3 all the way down to 0.2 It seems like that the trend adjustment is being way too aggressive, given that you have so much recent state-specific data in allocating undecideds nearly 2 to 1 for McCain.

jt

Wilson said...

Nate/Sean,

I am from the Sth Pacific, and began taking an interest in the US elections in Feb when Obama shot to prominence in the primaries. Firstly discovering RCP, then stumbling upon 538.com some time in March and became addicted to it since.
Now that we are nearing election day, I will miss my "nightly fix".
I along with the Aussie posters tonite (10:55pm) look forward to an Obama victory at the polls, (hopefully in a landslide) to lead a great country and it's people to it's rightful place in the world. It is certainly good riddance to bad rubbish (Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld)

Liam Hedge said...

Jhwit, the pub on the corner of Smith and Johnston in Carlton is holding a party from the morning. Can't remember the actual name.

It'll all be called pretty early, so I've told work I'm not going in.

So now we have 4 odd Australians in this forum. THought I was the only person in Melbourne crazy enough to be refreshing this site 14 times an hour.

WV: 'chentear': The Chinese term for describing the tears falling from inspired Obama supporters.

Quico said...

Amid the frenzied outbreak of Concern Trollery, pause for a second to imagine what would happen to us if the polls showed, y'know, actual worrying news for Obama.

We'd lose the election 100% to 0%: everyone on our side would stay home a weeping, blabbering mess of nerves instead of voting.

Buck up, people!

And chew on this for a while. McCain hasn't actually led a national poll since September! And that was a Zogby Internet poll!

word verification: dinglor. Opposite of vainglorious. c.f., "the democrat was dinglorious on the eve of victory."

Wallaby_Jof said...

samule said

Not surprising when 70% of Australian's want Obama to win.

I can beat that, 92% in Germany and 89% in France according to the last numbers!! Now that's some real HUSSEIN numbers ;-)

---------------------------------

Well I haven't seen any polls indicating support for Obama in Australia.

Anecdotaly I do know all of my friends and acquaintances, from all political backgrounds want Obama to win.

A football site I visit has everyone united for the first time, mainly due to the efforts of Sarah Palin.

left or Right, we are all scared to death of a nutcase evangelical having her hands on the nuclear codes.
Horrible godless socialists we are.

Oh another thing to aim for when you become the socialist godless, baby killing, terrorist, Muslim state with chairman Obama in charge - tomorrow in Australia the whole country stops to watch a horse race - the Melbourne Cup. It a great change to redistribute the wealth - from the mug punter to the bookies :).

I live in melbourne and we grt a public holiday for it. Forget Independance Day or Thanksgiving - we get a day off to have a BBQ, get pissed, have a bet, and go to the races.

Viva la revolution comrades :)

Liam Hedge said...

Jwhit and other Melbourne posters. The Birmingham Hotel on the corner of Smith and Johnston in Carlton. From early Wednesday morning they will be showing coverage of the US election.

I for one will probably be incredibly tired from staying up all night reading exit polls... but I'll be there.

Wallaby_Jof said...

liam hedge said:

So now we have 4 odd Australians in this forum. THought I was the only person in Melbourne crazy enough to be refreshing this site 14 times an hour.

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got the bug last year during our elections and couldn't stay off pollbludger.

Watching the Dem supporters here having kittens is just like what happened to us last year waiting for Howard to get the flick.

I think the non US citizens in other time zones are keeping the conversation ticking along while the locals are catching some zzzzzzz's

I think many in Australia are sick of the Bush divisiveness that is being perpetuated thru the MCCain/Palin low road. Also watching something as partison as Fox News in Australia tends to make you want to see the likes of Doocy and Hannity and the other blondes talking heads get their comeuppance.

Nice to get an alternative to the stereotype that is perpetuated by Fox News of Americans as well.

samule said...

I'm probably not the first one to post it but here's the link to the huff post article on 538

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/02/fivethirtyeightcom-more-t_n_140201.html

patricia said...

Thanks for this site. Just got up to read the latest. Just one more day! It's like Christmas Eve! But there is a 3.9% chance that I will get a piece of coal in my stocking!

Myself said...

Hello, Australians! Michigander here.

To my countryfolk: Where do you all find the time to check this site, and to post? I woke up before my alarm and had to take a peek, but my team has another long day of canvassing before tomorrow's insane GOTV push.

My worst-case scenario would be waking up Wednesday morning to the unthinkable, and asking myself if I could've done more.

Go Obama, Go Vote, but more than that, Go Volunteer!

(Thanks incredibly to Nate (with whom I share a name) and Sean and Brett, you folks rock. I hope the others were sleeping while this post was made!)

newsinOH said...

So yesterday Obama was in Cleveland. People lined up at 5 am even though the events weren't starting until about 4 pm. 80,000 people in the rain.

In about an hour, gates open for a Palin appearance in one of the larger suburbs of Cleveland, one contiguous with the city (Lakewood, for those who are familiar. btw, it used to have a fairly high percentage of same sex couples . . .). The local news just showed the venue. I think there were 4 people there waiting to get in . . . I wish I had a bullhorn so I could drive by and ask her questions . . .

justsomeguy said...

Good morning! Nothing like three hours sleep to refresh - NOT!

McCain had a good rally in Miami last night, just listened to part of it on POTUS.

Rick said...

justsomeguy said...
"Good morning! Nothing like three hours sleep to refresh - NOT!

McCain had a good rally in Miami last night, just listened to part of it on POTUS."

Welcome back.

Herunar said...

The Obama campaign seems to have slightly given up on Missouri, Indiana, and North Carolina right now. NC has a huge advantage for Obama in early voting, but Indiana and Missouri have been leaning McCain, and Missouri doesn't have early voting. They should stop sending Michelle and Biden to places like PA, CO and NV. Get them all to Missouri or Indiana.

justsomeguy said...

All the polls look great, PA looks to be solidifying around where it generally does 2-6 for the democrat. PA has not gone red in 20 years, there is no reason to think PA will be different this time.

joao said...

from portugal yes my suport to barak obama and we can change the world,we need to do it

Badgerhair said...

newsinOH said...

So yesterday Obama was in Cleveland. People lined up at 5 am even though the events weren't starting until about 4 pm. 80,000 people in the rain.


Yabbut they were queueing up for the free Bruuuuuuuce gig.

justsomeguy said...

herunar-

Back with that deep insight I see. How about solidifying alot of paths to 270 instead of praying for a landslide?

The 72 push is on for the repubs - more 427 negative attacks, more McCain ads, and his ground game only began in earnest over the weekend. This worked for Bush!

Rick said...

Herunar said...
"The Obama campaign seems to have slightly given up on Missouri, Indiana, and North Carolina right now. NC has a huge advantage for Obama in early voting, but Indiana and Missouri have been leaning McCain, and Missouri doesn't have early voting. They should stop sending Michelle and Biden to places like PA, CO and NV. Get them all to Missouri or Indiana."

Missouri and Indiana are icing states. States we'd love for them to win but which aren't decidedly critical. Would I love to see them win them, of course. Would I like to see it at the expense of PA, FA, or OH? Sorry, but no.

jack said...

I do believe it's hit Tuesday on the International dateline as I'm typing this, well good luck with your election, I do hope Obama wins in a landslide, I've got my fingers crossed here in Sydney Australia,

Good Luck!

justsomeguy said...

Bruce was great yesterday.

frank said...

There is a clear high probability of a Democratic win in the vote. What is the probability of a win in the COUNT?

Or was the financial crisis an admission that they need to steal now as opportunities may be scarce with an Obama administration?

jwhit said...

Liam and the other Aussies, I'm ex-pat American. Now if they finally start to undo all the damage of the last eight years, I may be able to set foot in the place again.

And yes, I did vote, proudly, for Obama, but it's registered in Arizona. Pity, unless there is a real upset and he wins there by one vote That'll be mine!!!

Thanks for the info about the Birmingham. Have an ale for me.

justsomeguy said...

jwit-

An AZ vote counts! McCain has had to spend money to hold his own state, and polls only have him up 2-4. Could be an upset there.

justsomeguy said...

Need election news? Skip Drudge and go to www.electicker2008.com

Badgerhair said...

Now you can educate a Brit.

The US Secretary of State is what most countries call "Foreign Affairs Minister".

State SoSes are responsible for elections, which would be a "Home Affairs" or "Law & Justice" thing.

What, actually, is a Secretary of State?

Rick said...

frank said...
"There is a clear high probability of a Democratic win in the vote. What is the probability of a win in the COUNT?"

If you mean can they swipe enough votes through the counting process to win, I'd have to say the answer is no. If they could simply change the numbers any where they need, they wouldn't have had to rely on voter suppression so often in so many democratic areas. Had Obama stuck with the more traditional red/blue state theory, it might have been close enough to work as they only needed to influence the outcome in a few select states. But with Obama opening up the field of play in such a large way that we are talking possible blowout/landslide, they'd have to essentially affect the results in over a dozen states that are going to be close to moderate Obama wins and several of those states such as Ohio have the voting process in Democratic hands. The supression attempts in Ohio for instance have already been blocked.

In addition, enthusiasm is high, turnout is looking to be record shattering and AA interest is off the charts. If the youth turnout matches their enthusiasm to date, I cannot see how every state needed for a McCain victory can be stolen if the votes are overwhelmingly for Obama.

I might be willing to grant you he could wiggle out a key state or two in a close election, but I fail to see how this could even remotely go under the radar should McCain claim a victory so amazingly counter to every poll out there. Not when turnout has already been so high and Obama isn't letting up the pressure on the ground game.

OzFrog said...

Liam/jwhit/others...

Melburnian here also. Unfortunately I have to work on Wednesday, otherwise I'd be checking out all the Obama action as well. And yes, I'm another of those guys who can't get enough of 538.com.

Looking forward to the Obama landslide!

WV: fraila. How best to describe John McCain throughout this entire campaign!

justsomeguy said...

WaPo goes with a very conservative electoral map - which might be right.

BHO 315
JM 223

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/11/the_final_fix_electoral_map.html?nav=rss_blog

ian said...

G'day fellow Aussies - I'm currently living in Bosnia so will be watching the TV from midnight tomorrow on - and my horse in the Cup has gotten scratched so I Skyped a mate and asked him to back Mister O'Reilly on the basis that the horse can't help it that he shares his name with a Fox Noise asshole and in the hopes that one will win by a nose tomorrow and the other will lose by 10 lengths.

Like some others I can understand the feeling of anticipation and dread having so wanted to get rid of the Howard Govt so I hope the extreme joy that provided me and many others is something that you Americans get to enjoy come tomorrow.I have a very good feeling that you will, so here's to a victory to Obama and the voice of reason.

justsomeguy said...

From the link above, nice:

"As David "The Dean" Broder, Dan "The Man" Balz and the Fix wrote in a Sunday state of play piece:

"The senator from Arizona has not been in front in any of the 159 national polls conducted over the past six weeks. His slender hopes for winning the White House now depend on picking up a major Democratic stronghold or fighting off Obama's raids on most of the five states President Bush won four years ago that now lean toward the Democrat. He also must hold onto six other states that Bush won in 2004 but are considered too close to call."

In 36 hours or so, we should know the answers to questions we've been asking for the better part of the last two years. Savor these hours; you'll miss them when they're gone."

Ben said...

Next contest is to determine the final states' ranking, from highest Democrat percentage to lowest. Assuming Obama wins, this can provide at least the interest of rooting for one NASCAR driver to beat another for 19th place. In 2004 the rankings were - projected follows:
1. DC 80.2 - 1
2. MA 25.1 - 6
3. RI 20.7 - 8
4. VT 20.2 - 4
5. NY 17.3 - 3
6. MD 12.6 - 5
7. OR 11.3 - 12
8. IL 10.4 - 7
9. CT 10.3 - 9
10. CA 10.3 - 10
11. HI 8.7 - 2
12. ME 8.2 - 15
13. DE 6.5 - 11
14. NJ 6.2 - 14
15. WA 6.2 - 13
16. MN 3.6 - 18
17. MI 3.4 - 16
18. PA 2.2 - 22
19. NH 1.3 - 21
20. WI 0.4 - 19
---
21. IA 0.7 - 17
22. NM 1.7 - 23
23. OH 2.5 - 26
24. NV 2.6 - 27
25. FL 5.2 - 28
26. CO 6.8 - 25
27. MO 7.3 - 30
28. VA 8.7 - 24
29. AR 10.3
30. AZ 10.8
31. WV 12.9
32. NC 13 - 29
33. TN 14.3
34. LA 14.6
35. SC 17.1
36. GA 17.7 - 34
37. KY 19.9
38. MS 20.2
39. MT 20.6 - 33
40. IN 20.9 - 31
41. SD 21.5
42. TX 22.9
43. KS 23.7
44. AK 25.1
45. AL 25.7
46. ND 27.4 - 32
47. OK 31.2
48. NE 34.5
49. ID 38.1
50. WY 39.9
51. UT 45.4
Based on current projections, it looks like North Dakota make the biggest jump in the rankings, followed by Indiana and Hawaii. Arkansas looks like the biggest drop.

newsinOH said...

Only 40,000 showed up for the free Bruuuuuce concert in 2004, and the weather was better.

They went live to the Palin rally venue again. Crowd was up to about 8 people. They may have to haul some school kids in again to fill the bleachers (although most of the families there probably wouldn't sign permission slips to let their children attend!)

justsomeguy said...

Final USAToday Gallup estimate:

Obama 53
McCan't 42

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/11/final-usa-today.html

Leigh said...

thank god.

now--please tell me NC is going to turn blue. My heart will be broken, otherwise.

justsomeguy said...

Richmond Times poll of VA. NoVa needs to turn out to to overcome the south.

"The final Richmond Times-Dispatch Poll of the campaign shows Sen. Barack Obama at 47 percent and Sen. John McCain at 44 percent. Nine percent are undecided -- an unusually large slice of the electorate. The profile of undecided voters suggests that some are potentially opposed to Obama."

http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-11-01-0176.html

Rick said...

I'd like to again point out the following passage from that gallup poll.

"Gallup says the group it surveyed is mostly made up of voters who fit its "traditional" model of those likely to show up at the polls. Also among the 2,472 are some who have already voted -- including first-timers.

The results are identical to Gallup's "expanded" pool of likely voters, which adds more first-time voters than the survey firm used in the past."

Judging by those that have already voted, they have found that for this election cycle the "expanded" pool was the correct one. Voters that said they were going to vote appear to have done so.

justsomeguy said...

7:00 AM: Obama taped interview airs on CBS' "Early Show"

9:00 AM: McCain rally outside of Raymond James Stadium in Tampa, FL

9:15 AM: Palin rally at Lakewood Park in Lakewood, OH

Morning: Obama rally at Jacksonville Veterans Memorial Arena in Jacksonville, FL

10:30 AM: Joe and Jill Biden rally at Longview Community College in Lee's Summit, MO

11:45 AM: McCain rally outside in Blountville, TN

1:00 PM: Palin rally at the Mo. State Capitol in Jefferson City, MO

1:50 PM: McCain rally in Moon Township, PA

2:30 PM: Michelle Obama rally at The College of Southern Nev. in North Las Vegas

3:45 PM: Joe and Jill Biden rally at Putnam Hill Park in Zanesville, OH

4:00 PM: McCain rally at Indianapolis International Airport in Indianapolis, IN; Palin rally at Grand River Center in Dubuque, IA

5:30 PM: Obama rally at the University of N.C.-Charlotte in Charlotte, NC

6:00 PM: Michelle Obama rally at Dakota Ridge High School in Littleton, CO

7:30 PM: Joe and Jill Biden rally at Copley High School in Copley, OH

7:45 PM: Palin rally at Colo. Springs Jet Center in Colo. Springs, CO

8:00 PM: McCain rally at Roswell Industrial Air Center in Roswell, NM

9:00 PM: Obama rally at Prince William County Fairgrounds in Manassas, VA; Cindy McCain on CNN's "Larry King Live"

Evening: Obama and McCain are interviewed during half time of "Monday Night Football" on ESPN; Joe and Jill Biden rally at Marconi Plaza in Philadelphia

10:45 PM: McCain rally at Reno-Sparks Livestock Events in Reno, NV

1:30 AM: Palin rally at Elko High School in Elko, NV

2:00 AM: McCain holds a "Road to Victory" outside the Yavapai County Courthouse in Prescott, AZ

Chris said...

I never could understand why the Dems allowed the Reps get away with the elites accusations...

Bush the eldest Yale educated son of a blue blooded north eastern political dynasty...

Rupert Murdoch the privately educated son of Sir Keith And lady Elizabeth who inherited half a fortune... proprietor of News Ltd

Rick said...

justsomeguy said...
"Richmond Times poll of VA. NoVa needs to turn out to to overcome the south.

"The final Richmond Times-Dispatch Poll of the campaign shows Sen. Barack Obama at 47 percent and Sen. John McCain at 44 percent. Nine percent are undecided -- an unusually large slice of the electorate. The profile of undecided voters suggests that some are potentially opposed to Obama."

http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-11-01-0176.html"

My gut tells me that with the increasing likelyhood of an Obama win, the "undecideds" that just refuse to vote Obama won't turn out at all. In a close race they probably would, but what's the use in casting a futile ballot in a lost race when you really didn't want McCain to win either? And if they are still undecided they don't want McCain.

Leigh said...

@ wallaby jof-----lol!

NATE--thanks for all you do!

frank said...

Thanks Rick!!
I hope that you are right. I think that you are. But it's good to hear the reassurance.
Thanks again.

Rebecca said...

Man, it was not a good idea to skip sleep tonight to catch up on sorely neglected schoolwork. Even though the polls are so positive, my sanity levels are still running at about 10%. And somehow I have to get up super early tomorrow to make sure I can fit voting into my schedule. aaaaaaaa!


WV: vaststud: Obama on a huge widescreen TV :D

Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...

Badgerhair--noting a dirth of answers on your Sec of State question---obviously we don't know either.

Rebecca said...

And another good one:

wv: paling- the process of slowly eroding your running mate's chances of becoming president by massive displays of airheadedness and hypocrisy.
Often pronounced without the "g"

Michael said...

I heard for months on end how bad Zogby polls were, but the second he releases a good set of Obama numbers we should take them seriously.

Give me a break.
Tuesday Night will be closer than your computer thinks. Even if McCain loses, I would love to see him outdo your system by 50 electoral votes.

Chris said...

Pollbludger has a list of poll closing times adjusted for Australian Eastern Daylight Time at http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/11/03/presidential-election-minus-two-days

Rick said...

Michael said...
"I heard for months on end how bad Zogby polls were, but the second he releases a good set of Obama numbers we should take them seriously.

Give me a break.
Tuesday Night will be closer than your computer thinks. Even if McCain loses, I would love to see him outdo your system by 50 electoral votes."

No, we still don't take him seriously. But now that his polling is more in line with the other's we'll stop ripping his methodology to shreds for today.

btchakir said...

Nate:

Your work on this election is greatly appreciated. When the television pundits evaluate polls based on their personal preferences or just to keep audiences viewing, we can always count on fivethirtyeight.com for rational evaluation.

No one has done a better job.

-Bill Tchakirides at Under The LobsterScope

Lori said...

i sleep with my tv on all night, and have been for a few weeks, (may be why my girlfriend asked me to move out, or maybe not) when i woke up this morning joe scarborough was on expounding on the latest M/D polls that showed terrible news for Obama. i couldn't get out to the patio fast enough with my cup o joe, my cigarette, and pull up 538. i am fairly re-assured but i have to say, after watching the news with all the lines for early voting yesterday, what's going to happen when all those people don't get to vote? you know it's going to happen, millions may not be able to take enough time off work to vote. the poll tax rachel was talking about. PLEASE....talk me down!!

Bryan said...

I am an American expat living in New Zealand. I sent in my absentee ballot with a vote for Obama weeks ago (as a side note, I've voted third-party every single election until now). My wife voted for Ralph Nader, because her primary interest is in a national health care system in the USA (having lived in New Zealand for two years, it is astonishing how much better a nationalized system is than the U.S.'s "tug of war between doctors, patients, and insurance companies").

I've been panicking for several hours now about the "coal bankrupting" sound bite that has recently emerged. While any sensible and sane person will recognize that it's just a smear ploy by desperate McCain supporters (although now that it's been backed by Palin I guess it's an official part of their campaign), I have great fear that it could somehow create a snowball of fear in swing states.

Am I just being paranoid? Is there any chance that this story and the hate mongers who are pushing it will succeed in changing anyone hesitantly voting for Obama at the last minute? Or are everyone's votes pretty much solidified now and so the last 48 hours of McCain/Palin sleaze will have no effect?

Timothy said...

First time poster here, lurked a long time, but just wanna say I love the model.

Also, on the Sec. of State question, technically its different per state as the laws of each state defines the powers of the Sec. of State. The Sec. of State of the US doesn't do much with elections as state law determines the elections, as opposed to national law, so they'd have no authority in the matter. However, they are basically the head diplomat.

justsomeguy said...

Gallup tracker final estimate:

Registered
Obama 55
McCain 44

Traditional
53-42

Expanded
53-40

"PRINCETON, NJ -- The final Gallup 2008 pre-election poll -- based on Oct. 31-Nov. 2 Gallup Poll Daily tracking -- shows Barack Obama with a 53% to 42% advantage over John McCain among likely voters. When undecided voters are allocated proportionately to the two candidates to better approximate the actual vote, the estimate becomes 55% for Obama to 44% for McCain.

The trend data clearly show Obama ending the campaign with an upward movement in support, with eight to 11 percentage point leads among likely voters in Gallup's last four reports of data extending back to Oct. 28. Obama's final leads among both registered voters and likely voters are the largest of the campaign."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111703/Final-Presidential-Estimate-Obama-55-McCain-44.aspx

Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...

Morning Joe is an ass--they are arguing about what other polls might be doing---but they only show you Mason/Dixon poll that ended on 10/29.

justsomeguy said...

I ripped Zogby a new one yesterday when his poling was better for Obama, and I called him Zogby the insane pollster this morning. That good enough for ya? Zogby sucked in 2004 BTW, his one election was a lucky guess in 2000.

justsomeguy said...

Morning Joe needs to get fired and MSNBC neeeds to move to the liberal left and grab that real estate. FAST!

Rick said...

Lori said...
"i sleep with my tv on all night, and have been for a few weeks, (may be why my girlfriend asked me to move out, or maybe not) when i woke up this morning joe scarborough was on expounding on the latest M/D polls that showed terrible news for Obama. i couldn't get out to the patio fast enough with my cup o joe, my cigarette, and pull up 538. i am fairly re-assured but i have to say, after watching the news with all the lines for early voting yesterday, what's going to happen when all those people don't get to vote? you know it's going to happen, millions may not be able to take enough time off work to vote. the poll tax rachel was talking about. PLEASE....talk me down!!"

Normally, the vast majority of voting is done on the 4th. However, there has been absolutely massive turnout early which means day of should actually be somewhat lighter than normal or right around normal due to higher overall turnout. The fact voters have already been willing to wait 8 hours in line to vote early, and not stepping out of line to come back another day should indicate that those voting are determined. If they aren't going to put it off middle of the week when they can come back and try for a shorter line another day, then why would you suspect them of slacking off on the last possible day to vote when there are more precincts open and more staffers available as a general rule?

justsomeguy said...

Tuscon AZ Star paper endorses Obama.

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/politics/265275

Ryan said...

Morning Joe is a fucking joke. Yet it's better than whatever is on CNN or Fox News in the morning and I end up watching it anyway. Seems like a common theme among people here.

justsomeguy said...

The final Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll shows Sen. Barack Obama enters Election Day with "a solid, though narrowing," eight point lead over Sen. John McCain, 51% to 43%.

A week ago, Obama held a ten point lead.

Said pollster Neil Newhouse: "The poll shows some slight movement for McCain. But with just 48 hours left, it's going to be a challenge to make up the rest of the difference."

Ryan said...

Has anyone on Morning Joe cited a single state poll that wasn't Mason-Dixon?

justsomeguy said...

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/dcor110208fq21.pdf

Final DemCorp poll

Obama 51
McCain 44

Rick said...

justsomeguy said...
The final Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll shows Sen. Barack Obama enters Election Day with "a solid, though narrowing," eight point lead over Sen. John McCain, 51% to 43%.

A week ago, Obama held a ten point lead.

Said pollster Neil Newhouse: "The poll shows some slight movement for McCain. But with just 48 hours left, it's going to be a challenge to make up the rest of the difference."


Challenge? To make up the difference he has to convert EVERY undecided voter AND get them to vote and then steal voters away from Obama, even more so in states that have early voting where he has fewer to choose from.

Lori said...

thanks nam vet, rick and ryan. i pray you guys are right. i just know so many of the disenfranchised don't have the freedom of taking time off. you make an excellent point that the staffing may be just too light in anticipation of early voting. the 4th should be fully staffed and ready to move people through quicker. hopefully that message gets out so people aren't afraid to show up.

justsomeguy said...

Pollster says no shift in polling in last day. Lots of polling coming out today...

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/morning_status_update_for_mond_1.php

Stanley said...

Long time reader, first time commenter, love the blog...

I'm an American expat in Dubai (don't worry I voted) and am following this election with a little too much intensity. Loved getting an update halfway through my workday. Keep up the exceptional work!

Obama/Biden 08

Sphragis said...

What's news on the Crazy Wench of the North, Michelle Bachmann?

Does El still have much of a shot up there?

justsomeguy said...

Rick-

That was their summary not mine, go fight with politicalwire.com.

I agree, final polls are looking GREAT!

RoseGrower said...

For those of you needing something to do in between 538 poll “fixes,” check out Betfair. You can see the likelihood of various outcomes. In 2004, it correctly predicted ALL FIFTY states. You can spend some time comparing how Betfair predictions compare to Nate's model's predictions.

http://politics.betfair.com/

I want to thank all of you who have been dialing and pounding the pavement for Obama. I did my small part, taking my disabled brother to vote absentee and talking my father out of a vote for McCain. (He won't vote for Obama, but has decided to vote for Nader, now, and at least that's a vote McCain won't get). I've gotten a letter begging for money from McCain and from Palin. Both are postage paid, although both note that we can help them by paying the postage. I'm going to help them this way: I went out and spent $5 on a bunch of heavy washers. I'm going to tape those washers to index cards and then mail the fundraising envelopes back to the RNC at their expense. I know it will cost me far more to do this than it will the RNC, but I take great delight in wasting some of their money. My money will be well spent.

Charles said...

I must say I'm disappointed that Obama hasn't visisted GA in recent days. The state is in play.

Sure, he himself doesn't need the GA EVs. BUT Jim Martin is arguably the key to reaching 60 seats in the Senate.

In a similar vein, a single visit to MS might have also been a good idea.

Ah well, I'm griping on a high level. The Obama campaign is playing it safe and I guess there's some merit in that.

That said, I would have really welcomed Obama doing more for congressional candidates. Those are the real questionmarks on Tuesday.

Rick said...

justsomeguy said...
"Rick-

That was their summary not mine, go fight with politicalwire.com.

I agree, final polls are looking GREAT!"

Oh, I realized it was them and not you. I know the general tenor of your posts. I just had to mock their comment is all.

Parents Against Palin said...

great site. keep up the good work.


parentsagainstpalin.blogspot.com

--parents and guardians against palin unite!

(a non-partisan appeal)

Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...

Rosegrower with a little mean streak.

diple-inverted dimple

MindlessMissy said...

Joe Whineborough from Morning Joe is at his games again ...

They just realized Obama has been saying a line that he has been saying for months now and harping on it ...

The guy is so bitter his man is going to lose ...

President Obama '09 ...

justsomeguy said...

FIRE JOE SCARBOROUGH!!!!!

Rick said...

MindlessMissy said...
"Joe Whineborough from Morning Joe is at his games again ...

They just realized Obama has been saying a line that he has been saying for months now and harping on it ...

The guy is so bitter his man is going to lose ...

President Obama '09 ..."

Is it that he's just realized what Obama's been saying or that he has no other ammo to pull out?

Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...

The man aint gonna fired if we keep watching.

justsomeguy said...

Obama poised to re-write political map.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/03/MNOL13RTV0.DTL

Rick said...

Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...
"The man aint gonna fired if we keep watching."

Same thing with Drudge and Zogby. Those that panic over every headline and keep returning to their pages to find out what the next siren alert is drive up their hits and keep them looking good.

justsomeguy said...

Reuters/Zogby

These were discussed several thrads ago, but for those of you who didn't get an anxiety attack at 2 AM I repost.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN3134134020081103

"Obama holds a 7-point edge over McCain among likely U.S. voters in a separate Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby national tracking poll, up 1 percentage point from Sunday. The telephone poll has a margin of error of 2.9 percentage points.

Obama heads into Tuesday's voting in a comfortable position, with McCain struggling to overtake Obama's lead in every national opinion poll and to hold off his challenge in about a dozen states won by President George W. Bush in 2004.

The new state polls showed Obama with a 1-point lead in Missouri and 2-point lead in Florida, within the margin of error of 4.1 percentage points. But Obama also holds leads in Ohio, Virginia and Nevada -- all states won by Bush in 2004.

The five states where Obama is ahead have a combined 76 electoral votes. Along with states won by Democrat John Kerry in 2004, they would give Obama 328 electoral votes -- far more than the 270 needed to win the White House.

Obama also leads by 11 percentage points in Pennsylvania, which McCain has targeted as his best chance to steal a state won by Kerry in 2004.

McCain leads Obama by 5 points in Indiana and by 1 point in North Carolina -- both states won by Bush in 2004."

Andy JS said...

Time to first major polls open - 22 hours, 30 mins
Time to first polls close - 34 hours, 30 mins
Time to winner declared - 39 hours: (estimate)

justsomeguy said...

I cannot find a recent poll in Bachmann's MN-06 district.

When I first looked for it, I had to reboot - definitive proof that she is evil!

justsomeguy said...

Here is the one poll I can find since Bachmann hated on us libs!

http://dccc.org/blog/archives/mn_06_dccc_poll_shows_bachmann_kissed_up_to_bush_too_many_times/

SHERWICK said...

"They went live to the Palin rally venue again. Crowd was up to about 8 people."

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...

I want a snuggie

justsomeguy said...

Party in Obamatown, who is going?

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE4A21RV20081103?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews

OBAMA, Japan (Reuters) - Dancing, singing and playing the guitar, residents in the sleepy Japanese fishing port of Obama are readying to party for Barack Obama before Tuesday's U.S. presidential election.

Around 50 men, women and children wearing "I Love Obama" T-shirts practiced hula dancing over the weekend for the Honolulu-born Democratic candidate, hoping he will win the vote and one day visit the town as U.S. President.

"I'm 85 percent confident that Obama will win," said hotel owner Seiji Fujiwara, who heads a group backing Obama in hopes that the town, with a population of 32,000, can share his fame and attract more visitors. "I think he'll be alright."

Lori said...

omg----i want a snuggie too!!! though not as needed here in CA. it might replace the girlfriend ;-)

justsomeguy said...

Forthose of you who slept last night, remember to go to the late night release from PP. Take home - It's all good (mostly).

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/

justsomeguy said...

PPP MT poll did have Paul by name, he pulled 4%, OBama 48-47 over Gramps.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Montana_1103623.pdf

PorridgeGun said...
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Lee said...

I am ecstatic, just completed my ARIZONA absentee and will fax it later today stateside.

http://www.docstoc.com/Docs/2351790/?key=NGE1NWE0ZTkt&pass=ZGY0Yi00Njky

( I, a lifelong republican voted straight democratic!!)

Dan said...

Interesting numbers...

Mediacurves

Gobama!!!

PorridgeGun said...

7:00 AM: Obama taped interview airs on CBS' "Early Show"

9:00 AM: McCain rally outside of Raymond James Stadium in Tampa, FL

9:15 AM: Palin rally at Lakewood Park in Lakewood, OH

Morning: Obama rally at Jacksonville Veterans Memorial Arena in Jacksonville, FL

10:30 AM: Joe and Jill Biden rally at Longview Community College in Lee's Summit, MO

11:45 AM: McCain rally outside in Blountville, TN

1:00 PM: Palin rally at the Mo. State Capitol in Jefferson City, MO

1:50 PM: McCain rally in Moon Township, PA

2:30 PM: Michelle Obama rally at The College of Southern Nev. in North Las Vegas

3:45 PM: Joe and Jill Biden rally at Putnam Hill Park in Zanesville, OH

4:00 PM: McCain rally at Indianapolis International Airport in Indianapolis, IN; Palin rally at Grand River Center in Dubuque, IA

5:30 PM: Obama rally at the University of N.C.-Charlotte in Charlotte, NC

6:00 PM: Michelle Obama rally at Dakota Ridge High School in Littleton, CO

7:30 PM: Joe and Jill Biden rally at Copley High School in Copley, OH

7:45 PM: Palin rally at Colo. Springs Jet Center in Colo. Springs, CO

8:00 PM: McCain rally at Roswell Industrial Air Center in Roswell, NM

9:00 PM: Obama rally at Prince William County Fairgrounds in Manassas, VA; Cindy McCain on CNN's "Larry King Live"

Evening: Obama and McCain are interviewed during half time of "Monday Night Football" on ESPN; Joe and Jill Biden rally at Marconi Plaza in Philadelphia

10:45 PM: McCain rally at Reno-Sparks Livestock Events in Reno, NV

1:30 AM: Palin rally at Elko High School in Elko, NV

2:00 AM: McCain holds a "Road to Victory" outside the Yavapai County Courthouse in Prescott, AZ


I don't like how Obama is finishing. He keeps telling supporters to net let up. If that's the case, Obama should at least making as many campaign stops as McCain. This has a whiff of Bush in 2000 about it. Gore campaigned harder and closed the gap enough to win 270.


I just saw how many miles both candidates have clocked up during this election. McCain has definately clocked up more.



Also, could Larry King (and CNN) be any more in the tank for McCain? In the last five months, Larry King has given two interviews to McCai... and McCain originally snubbed King for the second, after his got pissed at Campbell Brown for making Tucker Bounds look like a complete arse. And now he giving free airtime to Cindy McCain on election eve??? That's pretty fucking ridiculous, considering McCNN made a big deal out of not airing Obama's infomercial because being percieved as biased, on the same night they gave a full hour to McCain, no less.

Saying that, Obama has let McCain grab far too many media attention in the last few days. I'm disappointed he hasn't capitalised on Wednesday night by holding big rallys like in FL w/w with Bill Clinton. At the very least, Obama should be holding huge rallys in another rally in Ohio w/ Bill Clinton, and a HUGE Virginia rally w/ Mark Warner, Jim Webb, Tim Kaine, and perhaps Colin Powell, who should have campaigned for Obama at least once. But unlike Chuck Hagel, at least Powell endorsed. I hope hagel doesn't get a cabinet poiition. He has nothing to offer.

justsomeguy said...

Politico calling it a 5 state election, but Obama is up in all 5!!!!

http://www.politico.com/playbook/1108/playbook481.html

newsinOH said...

Weather in Cleveland tomorrow is going to be beautiful. Usually that matters here for voter turnout but I don't think it'll have too much of an effect. I've never seen voters so excited. We should be able to give O a nice, nice cushion of blue to help carry OH.

btw, local news isn't monitoring the Palin rally here anymore. I think it got to be too embarrassing when it was so empty. I'm sure they'll haul some people in from somewhere to fill at least one bank of bleachers but it's going to be a really sparse crowd. In fact, I can pretty much bet that I've thrown parties with more people than she'll get.

Rick said...

PorridgeGun said...
"I don't like how Obama. He keeps telling supporters to net let up. If that's the case, Obama should at least making as many campaign stops as McCain. This has a whiff of Bush in 2000 about it. Gore campaigned harder and closed the gap enough to win 270."

The difference is to manage all of those stops McCain is just doing airport visits. They land, hit the reporters outside the plane and then reboard and move on. Obama and company are actually making legitimate stops in the areas.

justsomeguy said...

Porridgegun-

Go eat some porridge. Your opinion is nice to hear, that said it is completely unsupported by the polls. Also, don't you remember McCain not working weekends until a couple weeks ago? Don't you remember McCain and Palin with one stop a day when Obama was doing three?

I also find your mileage statement implausible, got a linky?

northcape said...

My first post on this site from the UK- I've been addicted to following the numbers here for a while now... Great site, and I'm even happier that the predictions seem to be going the right way with only 1 day left!
Just saw this article about 538.com in todays Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/nov/03/nate-silver-fivethirtyeight

thisniss said...

All the swing states are going to be decided by turnout, looks like. Which means I am doubly grateful to this site, for Nate's numbers and Sean & Brett's ground game reporting.

Just fortyish awful hours left. Stay sane, everybody! I won't.

justsomeguy said...

Palin cannot pull a crowd the day before the election - can you say FLASH IN THE PAN! Was the prank call her final call in politics?