This is beginning to look like a five-state election. Those states are Virginia, Colorado, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Nevada. Essentially all relevant electoral scenarios involve some combination of these five states.
I should caution that by far the most likely scenario is that Obama wins some relatively decisive victory of anywhere from 3-12 points in the popular vote. If Obama wins the popular vote by anything in this range, he will find plenty of blue territory, accumulating somewhere between 300-400 electoral votes. The electoral math will matter very little.
We can probably assume, however, that IF the national polls tighten significantly (and to reiterate, the likelihood is that they will NOT), McCain will edge out a victory in North Carolina, Florida, Indiana, North Dakota, Montana, Georgia, and Missouri; put those states in the McCain column for the time being. Likewise, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa all appear safe for Obama, even in the case of significant tightening. Put those in the Obama column.
That leaves our five states in play. The victory conditions for Obama involving these five states proceed something as follows:
1. Win Pennsylvania and ANY ONE of Colorado, Virginia, Ohio, or Nevada*
2. Win Ohio and EITHER Colorado OR Virginia.
3. Win Colorado AND Virginia AND Nevada.
(* Nevada produces a 269-269 tie, which would probably be resolved for Obama in the House of Represenatives.)
Now, suppose you think that Colorado is already in the bag for Obama because of his large edge in early voting there. We can then simplify the victory conditions as follows:
1. Win Pennsylvania
2. Win Ohio
3. Win Virginia AND Nevada
That's basically what it comes down to, although I'm sure each campaign would claim that there are a larger number of states in play.
*-*
Sorry to get off on such a tangent about this; I wanted to talk, for a change, about something other than whether the POLLS ARE TIGTHENING (!!!) or not. But as to that question, the evidence is again somewhat mixed. Contrary to other recent days, Obama gained ground in the national trackers on average, picking up points in Research 2000, Gallup and Rasmussen. The Zogby that Matt Drudge went on about turned out to be the only poll where he lost ground, while ABC/Post, IPD/TIPP and Hotline held steady.
However, our model does perceive about a point's worth of tightening in the state polls. And the Pennslyvania polls have probably tightened by more than one point, although it is important to note that the four polls that show the state in the mid- single digits (Rasmussen, Mason-Dixon, ARG and Strategic Vision) have all had Republican leans so far this cycle. Pennsylvania is still an extreme long shot for John McCain -- Obama is more likely to win Arizona than McCain the Keystone -- just not quite the long-shot that it had looked like a couple of days ago.
As a final word of warning, proceed cautiously with any polls that were in the field last night. Friday nights are difficult enough to poll, and holidays are difficult enough to poll, but when a Friday night coincides with a holiday (in this case, Halloween), getting an appropriate sample is all but impossible.
11.01.2008
Today's Polls, 11/1
by Nate Silver @ 7:05 PM...see also arkansas, california, colorado, electoral math, florida, indiana, kentucky, minnesota, nevada, new jersey, ohio, oregon, pennsylvania, south dakota, today's polls, utah, virginia, wyoming
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GO OBAMA!
Rich
Well if it's this much of a blowout I suppose they might have enough states counted by Tuesday night.
McCain might cover the spread though.
These polls are great news!!! For Barack Obama!!!
Wow, look how BLUE that map is!
On this day, 3 days before the election, in 2004, George Bush led John Kerry 48.8% to 46.2%.
For Final results, please see presidential inauguration, January 2005
At this point out from Election day, John Kerry never led in any tracking poll whatsoever
(53) days since the Fundamental Shift towards McCain/Palin as described by PeteKent
You 'Cons should be getting really nervous!
Congratulations to President Barack HUSSEIN Obama Jr. Get used to saying it, rethugs.
(emphasis placed on middle name to spite race-mongerers who tried to use it politically)
Cowardly Trolltards MIA:
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(3) days left until the McCain concession speech.
Early voting update: "The partisan differences in Florida's early in-person returns are still pretty clear. Democrats have now reached the 1,000,000 mark; Republicans have returned just 600,000 in-person ballots."
http://www.earlyvoting.net/blog/
The lone McCain Landslide is back. 40+ days after the surge, the surge. That is GREAT NEWS!!!! FOR JOHN MCCAIN!!!!
But really, how did his odds go up from yesterday when he is no closer to goalline, 30 seconds ticked of the clock and there are no more time outs?
WV:Surer As in McCain is surer today that he was yesterday
Nate -
Any thoughts on SisterSarah's radio prank call?
Poll Pool
I took all current 11 national polls in RCP (each of the two Gallups given half weight) and computed the results considering it one grand poll (all participants put together) which amounts to giving each poll a weight proportional to its number of participants (thus minimizing the overall MOE). RCP gives each poll the same weight regardless of the number of participants. Here are my results:
Number of participants: 13,383
Obama Percentage: 50.86% (MOE=0.86%)
McCain Percentage: 43.86% (MOE=0.86%)
Obama ahead of McCain by: 7.00% (MOE<1.73%)
The second line shows that Obama's margin above 50% is statistically significant, and the last line shows that his leading is a statistical certainty.
Cz,
Nate has jigged the model, resulting in a miniscule advantage for Johnny M.
Fustort: as in 'Palin was fustorted by her prank phone call.'
Ok, now I'm sure this is the right place to ask.
Nate, please add a simulation that includes "McCain loses VA and wins election". What are the chances of this actually happening?
Thanks,
Mason
PA Worries me. So many polls showing it a 4 point race, could Obama actually track *behind* his national margin in PA? Just doesn't make sense to me.
Whoa, why did Missouri turn pink and Indiana get redder with this set of polling? It's looking like Indiana, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, and Florida are five states that are totally up for grabs; right now, unless McCain makes huge inroads in Pennsylvania and Virginia in the next couple days, including dragging Obama off of a majority share of voters, it's all academic to see how many EVs the Democrat from Illinois can rack up on Election Night.
WV: osoming: What the leader of al Qaeda is hopefully not doing on the airwaves between now and Tuesday.
fred
PA is not in play
I recall after the 2nd or 3rd debate, Nate said President-Elect Obama, or something to the effect.
It's not a big deal or anything, but does 538 have any plans to declare the winner BEFORE the polls close, or earlier? Just curious.
hay, that not the real fred, it is another fred.
hi new fred.
Given Obama's nascent victory in NV:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/10/31/early-voting-suggests-nevada-victory-at-hand-for-obama/
And his 4-13+ point margin in PA, does this make his likelyhood of victory 99%?
Nate, are you taking into account banked votes (based on party id)?
btw, verif word: nuromad = insane cyberpunk?
McCain gained some ground, but not enough to matter. Obama simply has too many ways to get to 270. McCain practically has to run the table it eke out a win.
Real question of the 2008 election isn't whether Obama will win. It's whether he will win so hard the GOP will reel for *just* his two terms in office or longer than that.
wv: secta. This secta votes Obama - ya man!
I don't understand why Missouri or Indiana, the two closest states as far as I can tell, don't matter at all in your 5 state race. Missouri has 11 electoral votes and it appears about even, surely that should make somewhat of a difference if Obama ends up losing Pennsylvania and/or Florida.
new fred, not the same as the old fed, PA will goto BHO, it went to Kerry and Gore.
Nate:
Beek beats me to the punch. I think your site is great, but I also think you have a tendency to ignore trends as they are happening in favor of your modeling. The problem with this is that we are now 3 days away from most polls closing. There is a time for modeling, and there's a time for looking at what's actually happening. You, yourself, said that your model doesn't fully take into account early voting. Therein lies a big problem with your analysis. Earlier in the year , strangely your model analysis mattered more. Now, it matters less.
Here's the thing- not only do the Democrats have the advantage going into election day in FL, but also in states like GA, NC, NV and CO to name just a few red states.
This brings me to my conclusion- your model- like most people attempting to understand whats happening can not fully appreciate whether or not this is a reallignment year. If this is a reallignment, then your caution while fair is nevertheless wrong.
For example, you talk of tightening by a point here or a point there. I guess you do this in order to be a) fair and b) the devil's advocate.
The numbers, however, call into question this even handed caution. When you know the numbers being reported are very different from prior cycles in early voting such that former blood red states already have Obama in the lead in early voting you need to recallibrate your conclusions even if your numbers remain the same.
I love your site. This is just a friendly piece of advice about context over numbers.
What is interesting is that the chance for McCain to win and the chance for a recount are about the same. This means that if McCain does find someway to pull off a miracle (which will not happen) he will find himself in the same territory as Bush in 2000, legal battle for the white house which could be devatating in this environment.
About Pennsylvania:
Not only was yesterday Halloween, yesterday was a day in which many people in southeast Pennsylvania (the Democratic stronghold) was out toasting the Phillies win in the World Series. Two million people showed up at the parade and most stayed in the city throughout the evening, far away from their phones, celebrating.
There is an interesting new facet to the polling with respect to early voters. Some polls have near 30% of the population voting already, which, as many have pointed out, is a huge number. What is potentially valuable about those people is that they provide some check on the likely voter models; information on people who have already voted provides some leverage to improve the likely voter predictions.
Do any of the polling companies publish enough detail to take advantage of this information?
I was out canvassing in my area of Northern Virginia this afternoon. They had so many volunteers for the morning shift that all the work that was supposed to be done today was already done by the time I got there! We had to start on the second pass that was supposed to be for tomorrow.
We're going to kick some serious butt here on Tuesday!
@Fred
Calm down. We are looking at an Obama landslide. Enjoy.
Early voting in Georgia has been intense but not to the point of break. My worry is CO and Fl; from what I've heard, the "youth" factor hasn't been promising as everyone had hoped. Obama needs to do a better job in rally this age group to carry their weight during this vote to go period. PA is also tightening -- Clinton needs to zipzag between PA, OH, and FL from no up until the election.
Obama will win MO,IN,MT,ND, and GA. 396 EV's folks. Deal with that shit Peter Cunt.
Nate,
Thanks for the update, now I can go and party tonight. I agree that you needed to update the model this close to the election.
Why the assumption that Florida is lost in the scenarios you list???
(CBS) With just three days left until Election Day, a new CBS News poll finds that the Democratic presidential ticket of Barack Obama and Joe Biden leads its Republican counterpart by 13 points among likely voters, 54 percent to 41 percent. That margin reflects an increase of two points in the Obama-Biden ticket's lead from a CBS News/New York Times poll released Thursday
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/01/opinion/polls/main4563051.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4563051
Meanwhile, Sarah Palin gets owned by two canadian comedians
Video and transcript
will this surreal election never end?
I assume that the changes to the model regarding poll half lives and the relatively strong state polling gave McCain the slight boost.
Uma,
You cannot take polls apart and reassemble them like that. Polls are internally weighted so that it is not possible to determine exactly how many people said what within each poll.
Real Joe said...
fred
PA is not in play
+++++++++++
Eh how can you say that when polls show it 4-6 point race? I mean the mccain campaign guy says its -3 for them going into this weekend....That would indicate to me that its in play....add in the "november surprise" of the aunt story and anything can happen....
The only thing that tells me that its not in play is Obama not going there in the next 3 days (though I think they mentioned that Biden and Hilary will be there)....
All these thing tightening looks like to me that mccain campaign Just might be right and possibly snag this thing from the jaws of defeat....
Course the poll guy on MSNBC is saying possible landslide lol.....
a preview of tuesday, with a couple of exaggerations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mNOa9XdtbE
I knocked on 50 doors in Western Fairfax County today. What did you do?
Obama/Biden '08
HOLY SHIT, CHECK THIS OUT!!!
CBS News 10/28 - 10/31 747 LV -- 54 41 Obama +13!
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Oct08g-Saturday.pdf
I WANT TO SEE THE PICTURE OF THE ONE MCCAIN LANDSLIDE
Nate, is there any way to input the "Ron Paul factor" into your model's representation of Montana?
someperson, quit being a misogynist.
Why do the win percentages add up to 100.0 % if there's a .15 % chance for a tie?
NC update:
You can pretty much count this state in the bag for Obama and Hagan everybody.
The dems are crushing, and I mean Crushing the rethugs in early voting.
Black turnout will be nothing like you've ever seen. Just the other day at a local polling location, I saw a sea of new black voters in long long lines. And this was just early voting!
Obama will outperform the polls here, and would not be surprised if he finished five points up.
For the first time in a generation, voters are more enthused about him, and VOTING for him, more so than in a long time. They will show up not just to cast their vote for who would make a better president, but to cast their vote for history.
And guess which side's voters will be to disappointed to show up on the actual election day?
The virtueless and shameless campaign that McCain has run has crumbled and the rethugs as a party are sinking.
Think about it.
The demographics in this country are changing. Every single year, more and more of the youthful progressive generation are becoming voters, and the minority population is on the rise.
This does NOT favor the republiClowns.
By 2016, after the end of Obama's second term, as policies stand today, the country will be ready in to usher another dynasty of democratic rule. Intolerance and anti-intellectualism are dying, and the republiCons who espouse it are dying with them.
i'm looking forward to the results of the next model. Nate- what would you advise Obama's campaign in light of the scenarios you discussed? should more attention be paid to these key states? which ones in particular?
re: CBS
CBS was one of four pollsters to nail the 2004 election.
YOUTH VOTE
a) You are referencing turnout- how many people turned out as a percentage of voters. But that's not the point.
The point is in absolute terms how many youth showed up, not just a percentage of older voters, but in absolute numbers.
b) THis times me to my second point. Absolute numbers matter because of the shift of for whom the youth voter is voting. In 2004, they split almost evently between Kerry and Bush. A shift of this split is what matters.
c) And, now the third point- I've read, but haven't confirmed that what also matters is the fact that younger voters tend to vote on election day rather than in early voting. I don't know if this is true, but this makes intrinsic sense to me.
You might enjoy this quiz about the fun parts of this election.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2008/nov/01/us-election-quiz
"Missouri has 11 electoral votes and it appears about even, surely that should make somewhat of a difference if Obama ends up losing Pennsylvania and/or Florida."
Missouri is about even in a world in which Obama leads by 6 points and is a shoo-in to win the Presidency. Nate's point, I think, is that if the race tightens to the point that Electoral math matters to determine whether Obama or McCain win - which would require a shift of probably at least 5 points toward McCain - then Missouri would have shifted along with that to a more solid McCain lead. Ditto for Indiana, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, and the small Western states that could be in play. The odds are very, very low that Obama loses Colorado AND Virginia AND Ohio and Pennsylvania's a tossup, and yet Missouri remains a tossup.
can somebody please tell me:
did Palin release her medical files?
If not, what the guessing as to why?
The Palin crank call is the perfect ending to one wild election. PERFECT! Who wrote this script! Hire him (or her)!
Sorry to get off on such a tangent about this; I wanted to talk, for a change, about something other than whether the POLLS ARE TIGTHENING (!!!) or not.
Thanks, Nate. The endless "calm down, Chicken Littles" posts were getting a bit tiresome. This is much more interesting.
The race is tightening in PA! OH NO!
Obama is only up 4, 6, 8 points in PA! What can we do!
I mean, Obama has only getting 51, 51, 52 percent of the vote. He can't win with a majority of the vote.
Wait He can.
So screw tightening. He's passed the 50 mark, and STAYED there. he's won the state
Just got back from phone-banking in Chicago, calling voters in Ohio and Indiana. There were so many volunteers that we had to migrate to a restaurant next door, which was kind enough to reserve space to hold the overflow. A phone-banking question, since I'm new to this process: what's with all the wrong numbers? The vast majority of my calls (I'd guess maybe 65-70%) reached disconnected numbers, and about 15% just wrong numbers. Is this normal?
EAT IT DRUDGE!
(Sirens) OBAMA +13!! (Sirens)
DEVELOPING...
DEVELOPING...
DEVELOPING MOTHERFUCKER!
Again.
Tsunami.
400+.
And thanks to NC Voter for your daily update. Always look forward to it.
Palin is anti-depressants, I expect. Now that would be a more perfect ending!
Repost from other thread:
That Palin call is just too good!!! ROFLMFAO!!!
Canvassing ok today. We are really down to persuades and such. Mixed bag.
Local church displaying fetus heads with Obama's name next to them. Went to Obama office this morning and saw huge billboard on the turn to my house with decapitated fetus that had "Obama's Healthcare Plan" on the top of it. Disgusting. These people have no sense of decency. This is what they are left with.
Either through legal means or otherwise, the picture was gone this afternoon, and only McCain/Palin and Pearce signs remained.
Still fighting the good fight in NM for Obama.
SIGH.
...oh, and a question about the EVs - anybody done any analysis of their previous voting patterns, because if they are sporadic voters I predict an Obama landslide......
cadspe - The Great Cadspe, a novel by F Scott Fitzgerald
deadpixel said...
EAT IT DRUDGE!
(Sirens) OBAMA +13!! (Sirens)
DEVELOPING...
DEVELOPING...
DEVELOPING MOTHERFUCKER!
HAHAHAHA
"Now, suppose you think that Colorado is already in the bag for Obama because of his large edge in early voting there."
I thought CO is considerably lagging in early Democratic voter turnout compared to FL, NC, GA, NM and NV.
Am I missing something?
Here's a link to a transcript of the Palin prank call. Also has a link to the audio. Enjoy!
http://sincerelypolitical.blogspot.com/2008/11/this-is-what-happens-when-you-live-in.html
Perhaps Palin's medical records only show four pregnancies.
sporippl - A particularly disgusting flavor of ice cream.
Another reason not to release Palin's medical records? The baby isn't HERS!
Bite me dimitry, this guys warped views irk my nerves to no end. I can't wait to see him crushed in defeat along with the rest of the neocons. It's time to take our country back. This wave will lead to a landslide and if you can't deal with it to bad.
mrs b
She did not (after saying they would be released early this past week).
Yes, I have a guess as to why and no, I'm not going there.
And, cloudyfuture, that aunt thing is going nowhere except an investigation as to why a government official released the information. It's actually backfired already.
Palin has refused to release her medical records.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/palins-medica-2.html
"The lone McCain Landslide is back. 40+ days after the surge, the surge. That is GREAT NEWS!!!! FOR JOHN MCCAIN!!!!"
___________________________________
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometime if it tries 10,000 times.
Ostspy. A spy with a low calcium diet?
I feel sorry for Palin. She's completely out of her depth and should never have been put in this position by people who should have known better. She's such a happy, bubbly person. She should be allowed to live a normal life, not this farce.
RE SPORADIC VOTERS
Mrs B
I don't remember where I read it, but yes a lot of the early voters are sporadic Democratic voters. The NY TImes had a piece today, but it was only on African American voters discussing those who hadn't voted in years , but this was anecdotal rather than data.
Obama by 6 means a huge blowout in the electoral college, I'm hoping. He will win some big states: NC, MO, GA, IN, OH, FL...PA? by small margins (VA will not be close). McCain will have few states where he wins by a small margin. Just AZ, MT, MS. Small states. He'll win his 18 or so states mostly by big margins. Wasted votes.
"PA Worries me. So many polls showing it a 4 point race, could Obama actually track *behind* his national margin in PA? Just doesn't make sense to me."
Fred: If a candidate puts disproportionate resources in one state, it is likely to give him an edge there without similarly affecting the national numbers. I don't think the excessive allocation of resources is taken into consideration in Nate's model. I believe this is the reason why Nate, when he analyzed the PA situation yesterday, considered the scenario "if Obama concedes PA" rather than "given that Obama loses PA." The difference is that the consequences on national numbers and other states are not there if you take the "concede" scenario.
@beek
http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2008.html
CO Dems leading in showing up at the polls, and a good amt of independents when Obama's in the lead.
From Bonafide:
"I don't understand why Missouri or Indiana, the two closest states as far as I can tell, don't matter at all in your 5 state race. Missouri has 11 electoral votes and it appears about even, surely that should make somewhat of a difference if Obama ends up losing Pennsylvania and/or Florida"
Bonafide,
It's because Nate assumes that, for the sake of argument, the race in fact tightens, states where the race is tightest will go to McCain. This may or may not be the case. Maybe if the race is tighter than expected voters in IN, FL, NC, or MO will nevertheless go for Obama. But if we're going to *presume* the tightening of the race, it makes sense to put those states in the presumed McCain column.
The upshot of this is that even if the race tightens sufficiently for McCain to snag all of the closest swing states, McCain is more or less dead in the water if he loses OH, PA, or VA--all states where Obama has shown meaningful leads for the last month or more.
Also, the chances that Obama loses PA but wins other states (including MO, IN, NC, and FL) would seem to go up now that McCain has more or less concentrated such a significant amount of time and money on Pennsylvania. In other words, the switching of PA from blue to red wouldn't indicate a national shift toward McCain that would sweep up all of the swing states. It would instead reflect the massive late-game Republican effort in PA.
Of course, I would still think it's unlikely that McCain can carry Pennsylvania.
What I'm saying is that for McCain to win, two things must happen:
First, there must be some kind of national movement toward McCain allowing him to carry the closest of the swing states, plus Ohio and Virginia.
Second, McCain has to succeed in flipping Pennsylvania.
It would make sense that the second requirement is more likely in the event there is some national swell to McCain, but, honestly, how likely is that?
WV: ratio. Hey, that's a real word.
I love the line about Obama having a better shot to win Arizona than McCain has of winning Pennsylvania. LOL! Like everyone else I guess I don't want Obama to just win this election, I want him to win it by a million miles. I want all those racist, uneducated, hate-filled McCain supporters to realize that they are NOT what this country is about. If they'd like to they can all go to Alaska and secede along with the radical secessionist group the Palin's belonged to.
Having lived in both Penssylvania and Michigan I can't say I totally agree with excluding PA from your core toss-ups. I can see it as possible, though not likely, that Obama wins Florida while losing PA.
Sadly, Carville's famous assessment of PA is dead right and when you get outside of the cities you have some very, ahem, old-school democrats. I can see those folks breaking toward McCain.
At the same time, I think Florida is a bit more, shall we say, contemporary. Sure you have a lot of NASCAR republicans here, but as a whole it is demographically diverse. So at least in my own mind, I am adding Florida as an alternate path to victory for Obamaa (though not one I would want to count on if he loses PA)
i too cant stop laughing over palin and sarkozy! how bizarre.
and to think i started the day upset over some stupid aunt story that i can remember anymore.
to think it took two Canadian radio comics to make such a complete fool of her and they did it so easily. where was our press? not doing their job obviously
Reporting in from Seacoast NH.
Went to canvass at 1PM at the Portsmouth Coordinate Campaign office. Like the poster above, their whole days work was already done. Place was mobbed. People from CT, MA, RI, and I heard a Texan was in town, too.
They sent me down to the Hampton office, which routed me to a staging area in Seabrook. It was mobbed. Dozens of cars lining the street along the staging area.
I pretty much got the last canvassing packet that went out. Knocked about 30-40 doors in a very politically mixed neighborhood. Couple of good "persuade" knocks, lots of "not home." And I think a few people who didn't want to answer their door.
The streets I was on had already been canvassed at least once this weekend, as I was a repeater at one woman's house.
No sign of any McCain activity in the neighborhood i was in...but then I've never seen a McCain canvasser. [To be fair, I've only done about 4-5 canvassing days, so that's a little bit of a reach for me to say.]
Anyway, a ton of enthusiasm on the ground in NH, we're staying blue, baby!
Go Obama!
WV: suppros---term for the folks who made the supper everyone was enjoying at the staging area after returning from canvassing!
Why isn't the MSM all over Palin to get her medical records?
I think I hear the Fat Lady warming up!! The polls do not actually tighten up --- but there appears to be a "day-of-week" adjustment --- Obama appears to fluctuate high on W-Sat and down on Sun-T --- check last couple weeks...so expect it this next 2-3 days.
"the mccain campaign guy says its -3 for them going into this weekend..."
Wow. The McCain campaign guy said it ; it must be true. They have no reason to lie.
2008 is shaping up to be the counter-point to the 1968 Presidential election. I sincerely hope that we are seeing the last gasp of Nixon's "Southern" Strategy. It is awesome to be a part of a historical sea change!
The Rasmussen PA poll shows McCain getting 20% among Afr Amer and AA turnout staying at 2004 levels. If you readjust that to 95-5 and increase turnout from 13 to 16%, you get Obama winning PA by 10%.
I'm not particularly scared about PA. You have to look at the internals. McCain isn't closing the gap by running up the score with PA whites which is what he needs to do to have a realistic shot. He is just getting unrealistic numbers with AfrAmer.
Put another way, Obama could do considerably worse with Afr Americans than Kerry did and still win PA by 4 points.
I would also like to say that I feel so much better going into this last weekend than I did four years ago. I'm sure I wasn't alone in feeling unenthusiastic about John Kerry. I was, no doubt, eager to see Bush defeated but had an over-riding ambivalence about Kerry.
Obama has really energized a lot of people and I think that bodes well for him.
"I thought CO is considerably lagging in early Democratic voter turnout compared to FL, NC, GA, NM and NV. Am I missing something?"
A couple things. First, a substantial portion of registered Democrats in southern states like FL, NC, and GA vote GOP for president.
Second, in colorado, according to the last PPP poll, Obama is winning independent voters by 60-36. So although the D% in Colorado is comparitively low, O is doing better so well among the Is that he's getting a lot of votes.
Finally, PPP reports something like 65% have already voted and they are breaking 58-41 for Obama.
Can I just tell you guys how good it feels to get out there and volunteer for Obama. Wow! 4 more days of work and we're there. Be a part of history, not just a spectator! Volunteer today!!
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/statepages
I'll tell ya, if Joe Lieberman isn't the WORST VP pick in history, I don't know who is. I'm watching Recount and still can't believe that sniveling little shit stabbed Gore in the back by saying on MTP that faulty/fraudulent ballots shouldn't be contested. Could you imagine Cheney siding with Gore? Just unbelievable.
Speaking of Cheney... with him coming out of the shadows, endorsing McCain and campaigning, that indicates all evidence of criminality has been destroyed, or there's a false flag operation in works, presumably for Monday morning in Philadelphia.
If Obama wasn't the Democratic nominee, it would be at the Sears Tower in Chicago.
The problem with the American media is that they don't believe in doing anything that might insult politicians. Which is why it took a couple of Canadians to pull off this prank.
No other country in the world takes that attitude, including Canada. In most countries, politicians are pursued remorselessly and ruthlessly, and a good thing too in my opinion.
I've always been an objective realist in most things, and don't allow my hear to rule my mind. I have to say I am very nervous. As I've been sayin all along, I expect Florida to go to McCain, along with NC, Missouri and maybe even Ohio, if for no other reason, they usually always do, which tells me there are a lot of conservate people in those States. I would even throw in Virginia. Maybe the high African American vote will be enough to surpass what probably will be an extra high evangelical vote. That is what happened in 2004, which surpressed the increased youth vote. It seems like Florida and Ohio are always so close, I call them a tease for the Democrats. They tease them just enough to make them think they have a shot, and they campaign heavily in those states, only to have their heart broken in the end.
This morning on MSNBC they were sayin McCain's pollsters were telling them that Iowa is a toss up, and how the campaign's internal polls have more data, than the polls that are purchased by various media. Maybe they were blowing smoke, but Obama did have a rally there, despite the huge lead in the polls, so they must have seen something there too. We have laughed at some of the States MCcain has camapign in recently, butmaybe they do know more than we do about the real numbers. I think we can give them credit for that.
I think Obama should try to squeeze in another PA visit before election day, because he needs to win that one. Thugh he could win without it, it would be awfully tough.
@aunt karen
I think you may be thinking what I'm thinking about what may be in those medical records.
I can almost feel sorry for her - but not quite. She got herself into this.
Mark
In 2004, many of us hoped the country wanted to boot Bush-Cheney. John Kerry proved to be a poor campaigner from the senate with a terrible staff. Things in the country remained marginally good enough for people to re-elect Bush, to many people's disgust.
wv: ultentu, the buzz words of the Boston Celtics NNBA title ;)
"CO Dems leading in showing up at the polls, and a good amt of independents when Obama's in the lead."
It's 37-35 in a state that has been considered "likely Obama" for some time - as compared to "toss-up" Florida, where we have 46-38.
We are also completely out of turf to canvass in NM. It is gone. We were entering not-at-homes so that new lists could be cut. CRAZY.
@dr.chaleeko WTG in NH
boulder-liberal said...
"the mccain campaign guy says its -3 for them going into this weekend..."
Wow. The McCain campaign guy said it ; it must be true. They have no reason to lie.
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Well he (think the name was trevor bonds from the mccain campaign) said that their internal polls showed that they were winning NM, NV, FL, OH, MO, IN and with in -3 in PA and VA was "getting close" (whatever that meant)...said it on MSNBC and foxnews this morning...
What ARE you ladies thinking? Help us men out, we ain't so bright.
"I'll tell ya, if Joe Lieberman isn't the WORST VP pick in history, I don't know who is."
Hint: I can see Russia from my house.
this is why I don't think MO will go for Obama...
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/1/17252/4583/273/648567
every election here is the same - never enough voting machines in St Louis city.
@beek
But Obama is leading heavily in the state, much more than party ID would show, meaning he's getting a lot of independents.
"It's 37-35 in a state that has been considered "likely Obama" for some time - as compared to "toss-up" Florida, where we have 46-38."
Again, you can't read too much into party ID in southern states. Including Florida which has some very southern parts. A lot of people register dem because that's what they've always done, then vote GOP for president.
Porridgegun,
I can think of at least one VP pick worse than Leiberman. A heck of a lot worse.
Worst VP Pick EVER is Admiral Stockdale. Bible Spice is scary in a partisan way.
Uma, your point doesn't make much sense to me. You seem to presume that since some voters have already voted, the models are now wrong? It seems to me that they just limit bias in the models, making them more robust. Tell me why I'm wrong.
mrs b-
Could Palin have had an abortion? Is that what you are thinking?
Well he (think the name was trevor bonds from the mccain campaign) said that their internal polls showed that they were winning NM, NV, FL, OH, MO, IN and with in -3 in PA and VA was "getting close" (whatever that meant)...said it on MSNBC and foxnews this morning...
LOL. Yeah. And Karl Rove had "THE math" right before the Democratic blow-out in the 2006 mid-terms.
Oh, and McCain also said he was "right where he wanted to be" the eve before he got trounced by Bush in the 2000 primaries.
"Why isn't the MSM all over Palin to get her medical records?"
Because at this point, it barely matters and it'd just be piling on. I think that everybody who could be persuaded that Palin is unqualified to be VP is already convinced. I mean, what could be in there that'd persuade the 30-40% of the electorate who's still okay with Palin as VP? Ditto for the "Sarkozy" interview - at this point, I think the reaction's as likely to be sympathy for the poor woman being in over her head than a sudden realization that, "OMG, this woman can't be VP!"
wv: sucki - John McCain's choice of Vice President
Given the massive rejection of social conservatism likely to come on Tuesday, many folks have been wondering just what kind of person is still supporting John McCain.
Well, this kind of person.
When you run a pathetic, sleazy, disgusting campain then only pathetic, sleazy, disgusting people are still voting for you.
Anyone who would treat kids that way because of how their parents vote is pathetic and disgusting. Anyone who thinks that kind of filthy behavior is funny is pathetic and disgusting.
Filthy, disgusting, sleazy, pathetic: The John McCain voter.
Shame on you, John McCain. Shame on the campaign you've run. You can rest easy Tuesday night, knowing you've earned every bit of your humiliating loss.
Well, it could get worse for Palin if she had an abortion...lets pile on and kill the cancer before it grows.
my husband's suggestion ...the wrong number of babies, one way or the other.
I feel bad now. I really hope it isn't that, because it would be just horrible. But I can't imagine what else they would want to keep a lock on.
Zogby's bad sample on Friday was due to Obama supporters celebrating Halloween, out with their kids trick or treating or busy with this: http://yeswecarve.com/
They are either thinking that she had an abortion at some point or that the 5th kid isn't hers (or both).
Abortion was what crossed my mind about Sarah Palin too. If that is the case I very much hope that the medical records aren't released and that nobody finds out. Whilst I personally find her stance on abortion reprehensible, I firmly believe in EVERY woman's right to choose (hers included) and to keep that choice private if they wish to.
The thing about Joe Lieberman is that he is the ultimate trailing indicator. The fact that he is trying to come home to the dems means we already don't need him.
I can't wait to see him marginalized.
The consensus on Bible Spice from fairly objective members of the media is that she was chosen BECAUSE she was a Republican woman with little depth.
The objective media is also consistent that a QUALIFIED woman would be just fine on a ticket or a Senate race. See Olympia Snowe and Barbara Boxer for examples.
wv - CONMA, how Mitt Romney became governor of Massachusetts
I'm for Obama, but I think this is all closer than Nate and most O backers want to admit. That the race is down to five or so states with just three days? Shouldn't all of this been put away a week or two ago? Closing to within four in PA is a bigger danger sign than most want to recognize. I live in Leesburg, VA (Loudoun County), and MAKE NO MISTAKE: the McCain yard signs and passion are no less intense and obvious (perhaps more than for O). A sure sign if this is AGAIN slipping out of our hands, and that we have lied ourselves into believing in victory AGAIN, is if O loses Virginia. The polls close here at 7pm and this should be an early indicator if HOPE won out over fear. I'm beginning to think Nate is far too optimistic in giving McCain only a 3.8% chance of winning.
agree that could be it mrs b.
It could also be anti-depressant or anti-psychotics
Even better would be an abortion - just to give the evangelicals little heart attacks
Cruel, yes, but look at the lies she tells about that one.
I heard a report the other other day from a Republican operative that they were happy about the Nevada's early voting stats. They said the turn out among young people so far in Nevada is below 2004 during early voting in that year, and how Kerry was up on Bush during early voting in Nevada in 2004, but yet lost the state. Of course they have to put apositive spin on things, but it's not the only place where the young aren't coming out yet like they wre expected to.
I hope no one presses on Palin's medical records. Let some sleazy GOP opponent do that in the 2012 primaries.
I think Palin and Stockdale are a tie personally. As much as I loathe Joe Lieberman, he's been vindicated.
*proop* The repub shit about to hit the fan.
@beek
I see what you're saying. Maybe RWD is right? However, if you look at party ID in FL from 2004 though, that raises my eyebrows. There's a 5.something shift almost entirely from R to D.
Guys,
Palin has a right to keep her medical history private, if she wishes. We all have that right.
puncestr: one of the Pennsylvania towns that will be crucial on election day.
I'm going to rewrite what Nate said above, in case some people didn't read it very closely (and some apparently didn't):
Obama wins if he does any of the following:
1. Maintain his large national lead and absolutely bury McCain (BY FAR THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO)
2. Lose his large national lead, but still win PA
3. Lose his large national lead and his lead in PA but win OH
4. Lose his large national lead, and lose in PA and OH, but win VA & NV
McCain wins ONLY if he does the following:
1. Destroy Obama's large national lead (ha!), win PA (ha!), win OH, and win either VA or NV... while not dropping any other close states along the way.
Akoolromeo is spot on: the O folks know this is closer than Nate and most O backers care to recognize. Going to Iowa is a sure sign that this is at best a 60% likely win for O, and I still think it's closer. Again, VA is the first sign, and from one of the most important counties in one of the most important states, the signs are are not as strong as we all wish they were. Thankfully only three days to find out if Nate is right, or if we lied to ourselves again. I'm hoping Nate is right.
"Closing to within four in PA is a bigger danger sign than most want to recognize."
Not really. O is 50+ in every single poll in the state and has been for weeks. Same in VA really too. McCain is closing up from the bottom but O is not losing support.
rwd
The unbelievable secrecy surrounding Bible Spice and the unwillingness of the MSM to call the ticket out on the carpet is my biggest disappointment of the campaign.
Attack ads from Republicans is not disappointing. You do not get mad at a dog for urinating on the fire hydrant, either. It is their nature.
wv: whinial, the whining denials of FREEPTARDS re: decision 2008
Does anyone know ANYTHING about tickets for the Obama thing in Grant Park? I don't know why I'm asking this here, but I might as well. I'm going CRAZY.
you do not have that right if you are running for VP with a 72 year old, please
"Going to Iowa is a sure sign that this is at best a 60% likely win for O, and I still think it's closer."
LOL. Every single pollster in the world is wrong outside the MOE, sure.
Here is a GOTV video in Ohio. Amazing to see the effort being made for Obama...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2008/nov/01/early-voting-in-ohio
Attention Obama worrywarts!
No matter how many polls tighten over the weekend & into election day on the 4th, PLEASE TAKE A GLANCE AT THE OBAMA PERCENTAGE.
For example, 12 of the 14 recent PA polls show Obama with 50% or more of the votes. Undecideds are irrelevant when this happens. If the polls are right, it's game over, man, game over!
sthuffa: As in, sthuffa up!
o is still at 52 in PA.
"Well he (think the name was trevor bonds from the mccain campaign) said that their internal polls showed that they were winning NM, NV, FL, OH, MO, IN and with in -3 in PA and VA was "getting close" (whatever that meant)...said it on MSNBC and foxnews this morning..."
Are you for real or are you PeteKent?
Jack,
as many others have stated, the Iowa visit was symbolic. It was a "full circle" moment, allowed him to be with his kids for a little on Halloween, and then still go to a rally in Indiana. There is NO evidence that Iowa is in trouble.
I just made my 5th and final monetary donation to the Obama campaign. I am somehow hoping to get picked for the front row at the election night festivities...of course, that's a serious long shot, but one can hope. I spent today doing some calling from Houston. I can't wait for Tuesday to be here!!
BTW, that prank phone call to Palin was really funny. I just now read the transcript. I liked the part about killing baby seals and the Nailin' Palin "documentary."
Lieberman for me. It's personal. He's proved time and again to be more despicable than Bush/Cheney, but I'd forgotten how much of a weasle was, even back then, until I saw the footage of him on MTP during the Florida recount.
RWD said...
"It's 37-35 in a state that has been considered "likely Obama" for some time - as compared to "toss-up" Florida, where we have 46-38."
Again, you can't read too much into party ID in southern states. Including Florida which has some very southern parts. A lot of people register dem because that's what they've always done, then vote GOP for president.
November 1, 2008 6:48 PM
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I've been saying that for weeks. The older Democrats just never changed their party when they became Republicans in the early 80's. My boss is a registered Democrat, and running for re-election as a Democrat, but I know him. He's very much a Republican. The only region Obama is winning in Florida is the South east, where all the true Democrats live. It helps that most of the population of the State lives in that region, but it still makes it tough to win the state, when you're so marginalized to one part of a State.
GA results are hugely positive for Obama. 2 M voted early, 60.2% of the 2004 total vote. In 2004 20.2% voted early out of a total of 3.3 M.
35.2% of early voters were black vs 25% in all of 2004 - a 40% increase. 700K blacks have voted already vs 833K in all of 2004.
Latinos did not vote early but will add nearly another 100K for Obama if they break 2-1 for him as national polls show though they went 56-44 for Bush in 2004.
Watch GA and the black % - anything over 30% is a killer for McCain especially with turnout 20-30% above 2004.
McCain has no offices and no ground game here and we have tons of offices and GOTV staging offices in the Atlanta area as well. Barr will get a couple points as well.
GA is going blue!!!
I respect a person's right to privacy of their medical records. However, when weighing that against holding a national office, a little bit of that privacy goes away.
The other three candidates, in one way or another, released theirs. She's the youngest, should be the healthiest, and yet she's not doing it. Even after saying she would.
It's pretty much a tradition that all Pres and VP candidates do this, but then again, she's all mavericky.
mrs b is right, wrong number of babies, and it's not an abortion.
on MSNBC a few mins ago...the mccain campaigns feels they have a real shot of winning the election due to the tax issues connecting with people and the traction that they feel they have gotten off the "joe the plumber" stuff....Their internal polls have them optimistic as far as getting them the EVs they need to win...
Here's the most simple we can get it down to. colorado and Nevada are almost defnitely locked up because of early voting, so:
Obama needs to win 1 of:
Ohio
Pennsylvania
Virginia
If Obama wins 1, he wins. If McCain sweeps, he probably wins.
"Again, you can't read too much into party ID in southern states."
Point taken. But Democratic early voting is up 8 compared to Republicans' early voting whereas in 2004 it was Democrats down by 3. Surely, that shouldn't be a bad sign for Obama, right?
My point concerning CO is that the Democratic edge in early voting there is much narrower than in NM and NV. Any explanation for that? And the assumption that Obama is winning lots of Independents in CO is only based on polling, it's not a "hard number".
Joe The Fake Virginian said...
2008 is shaping up to be the counter-point to the 1968 Presidential election. I sincerely hope that we are seeing the last gasp of Nixon's "Southern" Strategy. It is awesome to be a part of a historical sea change!
I believe the sea change goes beyond the end of the Southern Strategy. It's the end of the Southern states having too much control of Congress and the presidency by voting as a bloc and re-electing incumbents. Almost entirely since the end of Reconstruction, the South has exerted undue influence even when Democrats were in control, because committee chairmen were often southerners. Witness the shameful length of time it took to get an anti-lynching law passed.
Why in the world would anyone believe what the McCain people say their internals say? they're not gonna say, "Yaknow David, you're right, we don't have a pot's shot in hell of winning this thing, but one of our polls shows that it's not COMPLETELY dire straits, so we'll cling to that instead."
This is beginning to look like a five-state election. Those states are Virginia, Colorado, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Nevada
Is it just a coincidence that from my count, four of those five are four of the five states that haven't been "Road to 270"'d yet? (Looks like Michigan hasn't been profiled but Nevada has).
cloudyfuture said...
on MSNBC a few mins ago...the mccain campaigns feels they have a real shot of winning the election due to the tax issues connecting with people and the traction that they feel they have gotten off the "joe the plumber" stuff....Their internal polls have them optimistic as far as getting them the EVs they need to win...
nice talking points
Not to get ahead of the game but anybody worried about Palin in 2012 should keep in mind the fact that since 1860 there hasn't been one losing VP candidate that came back four years later and won POTUS. FDR was the losing VP candidate in 1920 and won 12 years later. I think he is the only person to be a losing VP candidate and later become POTUS
"Yes, I have a guess as to why and no, I'm not going there."
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Aunt Karen- do tell what you think. I think she has had that which she is so opposed to. Just my theory.
Acques- Sarah Palin acques like a dummy.
to all the concerned moonbat's
Kerry states + NM + NV + CO + IA = President Obama
In some of the National polls, Obam's lead seems ot be increasing. It's skyrocketing in Gallup the past 3 days, but the State polls still seems too close. Perhaps, Obama is racking up the numbers in his states. I've been too disappointment in the past to believe Obama's win percentage is as high as 97%. Back on the Sunday before the election in 2000, I thought Gore had as preetty decent chance of winning, or at least having a much greater chance, than the media was given him credit for. I thought it would come down to Florida for Gore, the one state I thought he could possibly turn. Sometimes, I get a hunch about things.
@ bushworstever
I hope your analysis is borne out over the next 20 years. Here in Fake Virginia, we are starting to flex new political muscles. Just look at the governor's mansion and the senators from the commonwealth.
Regards!!!
@Cloudy
I'm assuming you are a young person, who is following a Presidential campaign for the first time. Look, relax.... Campaigns will say they are close, even when they are not. Trust the polls, trust Nate's model.
Uh oh...time to feed the concern trolls...just heard on MSNBC that Biden added a PA event monday night in PA...
It could also be anti-depressant or anti-psychotics
Even better would be an abortion - just to give the evangelicals little heart attacks
Cruel, yes, but look at the lies she tells about that one.
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Maybe none of the kids are hers because she used to be a dude.
Derses. Palin derses purdy now that the RNC bought her all those clothes.
Great Web site and cannot wait until Tuesday to get here. I cannot wait to listen to that piece of Garbage Sean Hannity and his "stop Obama express"..While a blow out is better for the country and my heart part of me would love to see an Obama win through the House of Rep and stick it to them like they stuck it to us in 2000..
cloudyfuture
just 2 days to go
the 'surprise' is coming
"Lieberman for me."
Lieberman is the Reps' last line of defense against a 60-40 Senate. If the Dems really can kick out even Chambliss and McConnell, Lieberman will surely take that as a convenient excuse to join the Reps officially, citing "the necessity to keep chacks and balances intact" or something like that. I'm betting on that. Still, he might do it anyway.
Hannity is a good guy
if you don't like him don't watch is show
is= his
@Jack:
I'm in Fairfax County, not far from the Loudoun County line, and outward McCain support here is next to nonexistent. Obama stickers on cars probably outnumber McCain ones by five to one or better, and I don't think I've seen a single McCain sign in a private yard. In 2004, it was almost even, or slightly more W than Kerry.
The Obama folks are canvassing heavily here, but I haven't seen a single McCain canvasser. They seem to be relying on hate literature and robocalls. Maybe it's because we're not part of the Real Virginia.
Real Joe,
I still think your surprise is going to be that you decided to vote for Obama after some convincing from the intelligent people on this site.
Looks like Obama is upticking nationally; Gallup +10 / + 11, CBS/NYT + 13. I would discount Rasmussen (to close to Fox) and Zogby (very confused methodology). Red states going blue: Virginia, Colorado, Nevada, Ohio, NM, Florida, North Dakota. Could be a landslide for Obama. Fingers crossed...
boulder-liberal said...
@Cloudy
I'm assuming you are a young person, who is following a Presidential campaign for the first time. Look, relax.... Campaigns will say they are close, even when they are not. Trust the polls, trust Nate's model.
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LOL yes...Im in the fetal position rocking back and forth muttering "Not 4 more years... not palin as veep...Not 4 more years"...
mccain campaign saying Obama still advertising in CO, NM, NV, VA, MO, OH, and PA indicate how much trouble Obama is in in those states and proof that they are gaining and tighting the race....wat? Ok that made laugh .... a little....
"Palin has a right to keep her medical history private, if she wishes. We all have that right."
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I agree. She does have the right to keep her medical history private. However, the fact that every other candidate releases their medical history makes it natural for there to be speculation as to what she is hiding, and make no mistake, she is hiding something.
Plonesso. Nothing there.
cloudyfuture = concern troll of the day
I made 50 calls to Nevada and 50 to New mexico today. Talked to 24 people - 13 have already voted Obama, 9 will vote Obama on Tuesday, 2 were Mccain supporters and say they will vote Tuesday and 1 Obama supporter in NV did not register in time. Left a lot of messages.
5 Obama supporters took time to chat about down ticket races, and all mentioned the extensive ground campaigns.
I'll be in Milwaukee for their GOTV efforts Monday and Tuesday, but I'll continue to make calls into the high ROI states.
EVERYONE who posts on here should be able to do at least one set of 25 calls to a high ROI state!! IT'S EASY!!
@jack
I think that the only thing the McCain campaign is good at is putting up signs and stealing signs. Fortunately, that doesn't win elections!!!
In my neighborhood, they are even using the fetus pics. It is disgusting. Don't worry about the signs. Remember Nate's post about signs?
The fact is that I live in a battleground, and I don't know anyone who has been contacted by the McCain campaign except through robocalls. Their office was closed this morning as I was on my way to canvass for Obama.
reuters and c-span, who do the poll with zogby, must be wondering why they chose that hack lmao
zogby is a joke!
Real Joe is Alan Colmes?
@ marknull
I must concur with your assement of Fake Virginia. There are a few die-hards with McPlain signs out, but the quantity and now SIZE of the signs for Obama in Fairfax County is stunning.
So much different than 2004, with the ubiquitous "W".
Despite my Obama/Warner sign, canvassers STILL stop by making sure that I am voting for Obama, that I know where my voting place is and asking me if I can assist the campaign.
This was completely non-existant in 2004. Virginia's Republican party appears to be in disarray.
I think Real Joe is the Doonesbury guy.
Nate coming up on MSNBC
plus they'll be playing the Palin prank so we can laugh all over again
realjoe,
this surprise you mention.
are you going to reveal it? if so, when? are you saying there will be a surprise Monday?
Hannity is a piece of Garbage..He bullies anyone who challanges his point of view and just scream over them..The best was when Hannity had Obama's campaign manager on and tried to take him to task on WIlliam Ayers on the whole guilty by association BS..Gibbs just absolutely chewed him up and spat him out..Colmes had to come and rescue him..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4CHewSv-Xw
PA John said...
cloudyfuture = concern troll of the day
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wont lie yes....Probably will be till tues when they finally call it for Obama...
Blogger boulder-liberal said...
@Cloudy
I'm assuming you are a young person, who is following a Presidential campaign for the first time. Look, relax.... Campaigns will say they are close, even when they are not. Trust the polls, trust Nate's model.
November 1, 2008 7:09 PM
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I think that cloudy is a McCain concern troll. Doesn't engage in discussion, just recites "concerns." And acoolromeo is a buddy. Copy their posts into a doc and compare them.
Nate is coming up on MSNBC with Shuster
Hannity is not a good guy, he is a slef centered jerk who cant see beyond his nose. At least that is how he comes off.
real joe
is joe mccain???
is that the surprise?
NATE MSM ALERT !!!!!
[insert siren here]
Nate was just announced as the upcoming guest on MSNBC
they just showed the 538.com MAP with all those pretty blue states & the 344 EVs for Obama, 194 McCain
so quickly turn on MSNBC, tune in or drop out...
Well said Fred!
kittles
the 'Surprise' will be reveled on election day when the results start coming in
Interesting Fla early voting stats:
http://www.earlyvoting.net/blog/
Nov 01
2:00am
James Hicks
Florida early in-person update
The partisan differences in Florida's early in-person returns are still pretty clear. Democrats have now reached the 1,000,000 mark; Republicans have returned just 600,000 in-person ballots.
The breakdown between early in-person and mailed absentee ballots is now about 60-40, and though Republicans make up the bulk of mail voters, they still lag in the overall early vote—a reversal of the situation in 2004. The combined early vote now surpasses the same 2004 figure by 500,000.
"That prank call Sarkowsky to Palin is just unbelievable. How could she fall for that? Now where to from here? US President Sarah Palin?"
Also, how could her handlers allow it to happen? The McCain/Palin campaign is off its tracks.
Latest indications are that Obama is leading big throughout Northern Virginia, including Loudon, up in Tidewater and holding even in the Richmond area. He should win VA by 2-4 points.
nate is on!
Nate on MSNBC with David Shuster right now.
Jeezuz Nate is like Robocalls -- everywhere. Now he's on MSNBC -- again.
I hit 90 doors in NM today and I am wiped out!
We had a lot of volunteers, but our field organizers (in northeast Albuquerque) say they do not have enough for Tuesday. There have even been some cancellations, probably because of that much-feared complacency.
I know we have a number of New Mexicans reading this. Leave it on the road, everybody! I'm out again Monday and Tuesday. I plan to own a piece of this victory.
verification word: faili --Things are looking faili for JMac.
mccain campaign saying Obama still advertising in CO, NM, NV, VA, MO, OH, and PA indicate how much trouble Obama is in in those states and proof that they are gaining and tighting the race....wat? Ok that made laugh .... a little....
Maybe they're following James Carville's maxim: "If you see your opponent drowning, throw the son-of-a-bitch an anvil!"
Nate says "if there is a Bradley Effect . . ." we won't see it till the vote comes in.
Nate, I have it on good authority (Nate Silver) that there is no such thing as the Bradley Effect!
[mentur]
Nate is getting more comfortable with this TV thing.
Just signed up to travel from Illinois into Indiana on Monday and Tuesday. I gotta help turn that state blue.
Nate you look soooo nice on David Shuster. You look better rested too.
Missed you on Charlie Rose last night.:(
As usual great job!
newsinOH said...
real joe
is joe mccain???
is that the surprise?
Yes he is, on tuesdaynight he'll anounce he's voted Obama!
'how robust the lead is"
good line, Nate
but it looks like he could use some sleep
too much blinking & look UP not down
where is the 538 backdrop ???
and the charts & notes...
and SMILE fer crissakes
Sarkozy call to Palin Wow !! US President Sarah Palin talking to a foreign leader without preconditions. Where do we go from here?
Nate's got a new tie for his MSNBC appearance. He's pouring cold water onto any McCain hopes!
Nate was used on Charlie Rose last night. Asked questions and then simply ignored as Rose went on to his "big name" guests. Beastards.
[cated]
gougef said...
I think that cloudy is a McCain concern troll. Doesn't engage in discussion, just recites "concerns." And acoolromeo is a buddy. Copy their posts into a doc and compare them.
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LOL I ensure no....just stating stuff that I have seen or heard....Obama supporter in the super red OK....like I said though I have seen this thing taken away before so I am a "concern troll" to the point I will not relax till its called...but eh your right I am over doing it lol I think I will try to relax....
loralee said...
I hit 90 doors in NM today and I am wiped out!
how was the response ?
no shotgun encounters ? LOL
Nice job Nate!
Next on MSNBC, the Palin crank call and Biden's reaction
@Future
I just heard this guy on MSNBC; this unknown named Nate Silver. He said Obama would likely win 344 EVs, with a national 5-9% advantage for Obama.
I think I'll go with his prediction rather than the McCain campaign guy.
58 hours and 30 minutes to the Real Joe Surprise.... Developing...
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