Democrats appear to be on the verge of wrapping up several more pickups of Republican-held seats -- but their odds of finishing with 60 or more seats are becoming longer.

The good news for Democrats comes in several races that already leaned Democratic, and now appear to be more solidly so. Further polling in Oregon confirms that Jeff Merkley has established a lead there. Frankly, since much of the vote has come in from Oregon and Republican turnout is depressed there, I think it's more likely that Merkley will win by double-digits than Gordon Smith will hold on to his seat. In North Carolina, we have added polls from Research 2000, Elon, and CNN, all of which give Kay Hagan leads ranging from 5 to 9 points; the race remains competitive, but sits on the brink of "lean" and "likely" Democrat. There is abundant polling of New Hampshire, and John Sununu does not appear poised to make any kind of late surge.
Meanwhile, in Alaska, Research 2000 has become the second firm to poll the race since Ted Stevens' guilty verdict, and gives Democrat Mark Begich a 22-point lead. That, plus the 8-point lead that Begich had in an earlier Rasmussen poll, lead the model to conclude that the race is essentially unwinnable for Stevens. Notwithstanding the weird things that can happen to turnout in a state like Alaska should the presidential race get called early, it too looks like a safe Democratic seat.
Those races, along with Colorado, New Mexico, and Virginia, which we had already "called" for the Democrat, constitute what look to be 7 fairly certain pickups (although partisans on either side of the Dole-Hagan race should still be making all the phone calls they can muster); this would give the Democrats a 58-seat caucus counting independents Bernie Sanders and Joe Lieberman. The 59th and 60th seats, however, may be tougher. Minnesota remains about as much of a toss-up as any race can get; the only poll added since our last update, from Research 2000, gives Norm Coleman a 3-point lead. My sense is also that Minnseota may behave fairly independently from the trend nationwide; that is, I could see Coleman holding onto his seat even given a fairly bad night for the Republicans overall, and to a lesser extent the reverse holding true for Franken. (The contrast might be something like North Carolina, which feels like more of a 'surge'/wave election).
Meanwhile, the three Southern seats in Georgia, Kentucky and particularly Mississippi are increasingly looking close-but-not-quite for the Democrats. The surges of Jim Martin and Bruce Lunsford in the first two races appeared to be dictated principally by the financial crisis and the attendant bailout, as the Republican incumbents in both races voted for the bailout bill. However, given the relative lack of bad financial news over the past couple of weeks, it is not surprising that they have stalled out some. Martin, though, probably remains in a stronger position than our numbers indicate, as I think some of these turnout models are conservative in Georgia given what has transpired in the early voting; at the very least, he has a good chance of salvaging a run-off.
In Mississippi, Roger Wicker is neither a particularly unpopular incumbent (he was wise enough to vote against the bailout) nor has Ronnie Musgrove been a particularly compelling opponent. Although Musgrove might theoretically benefit from a black turnout surge, Wicker is now winning a comparable percentage of the white vote to John McCain.
We'll have at least one more of these updates before Tuesday, and possibly two as polls and events dictate.
11.01.2008
Senate Projections, 11/1
by Nate Silver @ 1:14 PM...see also senate, senate polls
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Nate, can you tell me/us what the MOE is for Zogby's 1 day result? With less than 400 voters, I'm thinking it has to be near +-10!
GO DEMS
I'd like to see Al Franken in the Senate just so there is finally a reason to turn on C-Span.
Word verification: phalkyb If I recall correctly, Phalky B was a middle-of-the-road rapper. He may have opened for Kriss Kross on the "Totally Krossed Out Tour."
We needs some coat tails...
Commercial: Rejoice and Be Glad!
If the reports of early voting are to be believed, then Obama will win by a wide margin and leave McCain with as poor a showing as any Republican since Barry Goldwater.
Unprecedented numbers of sporadic and first time voters have made their way to the polls and they have been disproportionately Democrats, young and African American. They have been waiting in line up to ten hours to vote.
This sort of voter enthusiasm is unprecedented in American history and compares favorably to the glee with which people even in New York State lined up to vote against Carter in 1980.
Obama is your people's RR!
Rejoice and be glad!
A great gift is being given to you. A great opportunity and an awesome responsibility.
Don't Screw it up!
Stay Tuned for My Closing Summary . . .
WV: untie: Please do this to the noose around my neck only after I am dead!
Nate, I'd be interested on your take on a couple of thoughts.
One, how might a 10 point Obama victory influence some of these close races (not that I think 10 is likely, but I don't think it is impossible.)
Secondly, I'd like your thoughts on the convergence of the point spread in Gallup's LVI and LVII models, both of which are at O+10 today.
Love the site.
This guy is being made an ass of over Palin on Norah O'Donnell's show.
WV: suboto -- the surname of approximately 20 African relations of President Obama found on November 5th to have been living in his basement.
can someone answer this: If the democrats win all those races that are safe dem and the republicans win all those that are safe repub, how many of the remaining 6 races do the dems need to win to reach 60?
News Flash: Barack Obama says he's "had enouhg of the press".
Am thrilled about Hagan. Discouraged about the GA numbers. Would like to see Democrats beat expectations because of Obama's GOTV machinery. Local precinct captains tell us workers that we should ignore the polls. That the numbers will be better than what they look like on paper.
WV is setive. Given how anxious I am about the election, I need to take a setive.
Per Gallop 35% of the folks will vote before Tuesday -
http://www.gallup.com/poll/111661/Gallup-Daily-Obama-52-McCain-42-Among-Likely-Voters.aspx
The political scene for 2009 is looking increasing clear: Obama as president, Dems with about 58-59 seats in the Senate, and Dems with maybe a 75-seat advantage in the House. Still, depending on how the late deciders break, things could be quite a bit tighter or we could have a huge blowout on our hands. I'd bet on the latter, but both are possible.
I am so thrilled that the Democrats are not going to get to 60. The only way I could be happy is if they got to 61. Now they have no temptation to keep the ridiculous Lieberman in their caucus and his chairmanships. Can you imagine a worse Senator to keep chairing Homeland Security?
If Republican turnout is depressed in Oregon, is there a reason I shouldn't assume GOP turnout will be depressed in other states not actively worked by the McCain campaign?
I don't want to get overly optimistic, but it seems plausible that GOP turnout will be down. For whatever reason, the McCain campaign has failed to connect with the GOP base.
And Obama has done what you want a politician to do. He's energized the base (OK, Bush get some credit) and he's persuaded non-aligned voters.
If the non-aligned voters vote Democrat down the ballot (and Obama hasn't made case strongly that they should), the Dem base is highly energize and the GOP base is depressed... it seem possible that your model may be too conservative.
The polls that show the votes of people who have already voted show a huge blowout for Obama and downticket Dems are overperforming. Maybe all those Republicans will show up on Election Day. But based on Oregon, I think that fewer than all of them plan to vote. How many fewer? We'll see.
It'd be just fine if they ended up at 57 or 58. Then they could ditch Lieberman without a hint of regret at losing a filibuster-proof majority, and aim for picking up the other 3 in 2010 (starting with getting rid of John McCain!)
[copied from last thread]
OK here's the beef. This is why Obama will win.
Gallup on early voting:
Gallup has increased its estimate of turnout in the election slightly to 64% (from the previous 60%), based on internal calculations which point toward the higher turnout number, and this 64% estimate is reflected in the traditional likely voter calculations.
Gallup's interviewing...shows that The vote choices of these early voters -- all of whom are included in the likely voter pool since they are definite voters -- skew more toward Barack Obama than the sample average. Thus, more and more of these Obama-oriented voters' choices are being "locked in" to the likely voter pool through early voting, benefiting Obama
blake beat me to it.
Is it a good sign to us Obama supporterrs that there are no new VA numbers?
Just thought for such an imp't state there would be a lot of polls (like PA) out there 72 hours from the election.
I've got a question for you history buffs. There has been some talk about Bible Spice being the Republican candidate in 2012. How many losing vice presidential candidates have gone on to be President?
Conyers writes Chertoff
House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers writes, per TPM:
Dear Mr. Chertoff:
I was startled to read in today's Associated Press that a "federal law enforcement official" has leaked information about an immigration case involving a relative of Senator Obama. Even more troubling, the AP reports that it could not "could not establish whether anyone at a political level in the Bush administration or in the McCain campaign had been involved," a very disturbing suggesting indeed. This leak is deplorable and I urge you to take immediate action to investigate and discipline those responsible.
I note that this is not the first leak of law enforcement information apparently designed to influence the coming Presidential election -- in recent weeks law enforcement sources leaked information about an alleged investigation of a community services organization, a leak that the Department of Justice informs me is now under investigation by the Department's Office of the Inspector General and Professional Responsibility.
Such leaks are deeply harmful to the political process, and the American people expect and deserve better from their government and its law enforcement agencies.
Sincerely,
John Conyers, Jr.
Spokeswoman Kelly Nantel declined to comment on whether they're looking into it.
"We never confirm or deny the existence of an investigation," she emailed Politico.
Only a perfect storm of historic events have allowed for this to be possible in America. Our decendants will be reading about these events in history class for generations.
Go Bam!!!
This from Tom Jensen @ PPP asking all those who are worried about PA to basically Chill Out.
Nam Vet
The only one I can think of is FDR. He was the VP candidate with Cox in 1920 and won the pres in 1932.
How concerned should we be about the no-higher-than-usual youth turnout predicted by Gallup? I'm leaning toward "not much", since Gallup is presumably using these numbers and coming up with big leads for Obama anyway, but I think the chances of a landslide are impacted.
Sigh. What is *wrong* with my generation...
@PeteKent
glad to see the pills have finally kicked in
gargoat: what can you say?
sdf: I'm in full agreement. Also, remember, with a 50/50 senate, the republicans have a lot of leverage on thier guys to vote with them. "VOte or you're out on your ass". With a 57/43, republicans can vote with the dems on individual issues, and then can tell the party "it was going to pass anyway!" and claim they were just voting for their constituents.
@bobnsj as you said even FDR did not get to be the candidate in the very next election and it took him 3 elections to get there.
Nixon was the losing Presidential candidate in 1960 and went on to be a candiate and a successful one in 1968.
PPP (Public Policy Polling) is the greatest polling outfit in my opinion. Their public disclosure, their weighing of user input, their detailed and length crosstabs, and their very strong results lead me to conclude this.
We'll see in a couple days, of course, whether this is more than just an opinion of mine.
How is Joe Biden eligible to run in the Senate race if he's also running for veep? And what if he's elected to both seats?
@jackie:
It is not the volume of the youth turnout but the margin Obama will get among them is what is the difference maker this time....Kerry only got +9 margin among 18-29 year olds and Obama is likely to get around 25 and this margin itself is worth 3-3.5 points in the popular vote
jon terry said...
How is Joe Biden eligible to run in the Senate race if he's also running for veep? And what if he's elected to both seats?
its legal
he can choose one
(he will choose VP)
@Nam Vet
FDR was named above - he's the only one in the 20th century. Before that, you have to go back to John Tyler - and he never was elected president. He was a losing VP candidate in 1836 and a winning VP candidate in 1840. He then ascended to the presidency when William Henry Harrison died.
I think Franken & Martin are going to win. Franken because he just has to. And Martin because of huge AA turnout in GA. That gives the Dems 60. The only problem is then Lieberman matters :(
"Those races, along with Colorado, New Mexico, and Virginia, which we had already "called" for the Democrat, constitute what look to be 7 fairly certain pickups "
I agree with this from Nate's post.
So why does Nate's chart simultaneously only show a 58% chance of a 7+ seat pickup?
I'm honestly confused at how the model gets there...
jon terry if biden is elected to both he will resign his senate seat and the governor of the state picks his replacement.
It may come down to this on election day: Who will be able to psych themselves up to wait for five hours on line at the polling stations: the demoralized Republicans watching their candidate go down in flames, or the overconfident democrats, about to see it get nailbitingly close down to the wire?
uncidre: the apple drink that Nader supporters have for Thanksgiving.
sreenu---and Tricky Dick and her both had problems with getting clothes as gifts. I can see the speech now about she is not going to return her Republican cloth $150,000 clothes.
>>How is Joe Biden eligible to run in the Senate race if he's also running for veep? And what if he's elected to both seats?
The same applies to Obama and McCain. Lieberman in 2000 (I believe) was the first candidate to not give up his senate seat to run on the presidential ticket.
@jon terry:
If Biden becomes the VP he will resign his Senate seat and the Governor of Delaware will appoint a replacement.
Even though they are not up for re-election this year Obama and McCain are in the same boat....If Obama resigns his senate seat the governor of IL will appoint his replacement but in case of McCain there will have to be a re-election for his seat as per the constitution of AZ.
Sreenu
FDR was out of politics for about 6 years between the 1920 & 1932 elections because he was hit with polio. His comeback began with nominating Al Smith at the 1928 convention and running for NY Gov in 1930
Jon Terry
Several states have laws allowing a candidate to run for Senate/House while running for Pres/VP at the same time. Delaware has one. LBJ got the first one passed in 1960 when he tried for the Pres nomination in a year his Senate seat was up. If Biden becomes VP, he resigns the Senate and the DE Governor apponts a successor.
"How is Joe Biden eligible to run in the Senate race if he's also running for veep? And what if he's elected to both seats?"
Lieberman was in the same situation in 2000.
It varies state to state, but I believe that in Delaware he simply resigns his senatorship [is that a word?] before accepting the vice-presidency.
this is from the wikipedia page on Beau Biden:
"As Joe Biden has been selected as Barack Obama's vice presidential running mate and a senatorial vacancy might occur if the Obama/Biden ticket is successful in the November elections, there is speculation that Beau Biden might be appointed to or run for his father's Senate seat. [1] Should Joe Biden simultaneously win re-election of his Senate seat and his Vice Presidential bid, he would presumably vacate his Senate seat and Delaware's Democratic governor, Ruth Ann Minner could appoint Beau Biden to serve the first two years of Joe Biden's term. However, Beau Biden's impending Delaware Army National Guard deployment to Iraq could complicate that appointment.[6] Biden could also both take the Senate appointment and fulfill his Military service as has been done in the past (Senator Warren Magnuson and Congressman Francis E. Walter were among several members of Congress who left their elected posts without resigning in order to serve in WWII)."
NATE
good analysis as usual BUT...
Franken may get the late vote in the booth on 11/4 due to the 60 seat issue IMHO
IF he can peel off more of the DEMs that would otherwise vote for the 3rd party [what's his name...Barkley]
I believe anecdotally that Al will be able to consolidate the DFL base
plus Franken may have sufficient early voter lead in a real close nailbiter
too bad that MN does not require 50%+1 - Franken would win the runoff IMHO
as for your analysis, it is looking unlikely that Chambliss will poll 50%+1 in GA senate race
with huge AA turnout & a late trend up with the heavy early voting, maybe Martin might top 50% after 11/4 - but not Chambliss with the 3rd party candidate in the mix
so we are probably looking at a runoff in GA in 4 weeks
please analysis who that would favor - Chambliss or Martin ?
arguments could cut either way - but I wonder if Obama goes 'all in' after the election & openly campaigns for Martin to get that 60th senate seat ???
"I've got a question for you history buffs. There has been some talk about Bible Spice being the Republican candidate in 2012. How many losing vice presidential candidates have gone on to be President?"
Here, check yourself.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781450.html
Also GALLUP = GREAT NEWS FOR AMERICA!
If Gallup is +10 on Tuesday morning I'll be pretty damn pleased.
Defeat The Robots!!!
"Just thought for such an imp't state there would be a lot of polls (like PA) out there 72 hours from the election."
There were, I believe, 9 VA polls released in two days on Wednesday and Thursday. Obama was up by mid- to high-single digits in all of them. VA isn't totally out of play for McCain, but it almost is. Larry Sabato, who for months has been hesitant to acknowledge that Obama was leading in the state, finally conceded that Obama is likely to win VA. Obama has visited every part of state, including the very conservative Shenandoah Valley, where he became the first candidate since Stephen Douglas to visit Harrisonburg, VA. VA isn't as safe as PA for Obama, but it's safer than OH or FL right now.
Damn shadow---would you be my research assistant--thank you
@ sreenu
I think this is true. But there's also been a lot made of pollsters' efforts to adjust for higher than usual youth turnout... I don't think it's worth more than 1-2% but might be something to consider for pollsters that have had a Dem lean this cycle.
Obama should really do Atlanta because not only do I think Obama has a good chance at winning Georgia - it could help Martin get to 50%
So anyone else think Georgia may have moved into Obama's column?
Oh my....
If this polling is close to true, America and it's liberties and freedoms will quickly give way to a nanny/police state. Taking more of our income..in the name of "fairness". Taking away our individual rights to free speech (fairness doctrine) and curtailing our second amendment, which gives more power to a centralized, propaganda state by disarming it's citizens of disent (sp) and defense.
You guys need to read 1984.
Fairness should not be an inverse function of hard work to reward.
Ridiculous philosophy you guys have. Not based at all in logic.
Obama will win GA
dcm - I'm not sure the 60 seat issue would benefit Franken, actually. MN is pretty notorious for ticket splitting; there may be enough "divided government" proponents to throw the election to Coleman.
As usual I do not understand the Senate total in the left column as compared to the chart that posts odds for each candidate. The total expected number of Democratic winners is:
16+.98+.88+.78+.53+.16+.16+.07+3*.01 = 19.59
If you add the 37 sitting Democrats to that, you get 56.59, which is not 57.1. What gives?
trapper said...
can someone answer this: If the democrats win all those races that are safe dem and the republicans win all those that are safe repub, how many of the remaining 6 races do the dems need to win to reach 60?
Four with Lieberman - Five without
I want to address the youth "issue".
The reason its being suggested that they wont be out in force is because of early vote margins. Well guess what, YOUTH DONT VOTE EARLY. They like the excitement of the day itself, going with friends, procrastinating...whatever you want to call it. Mark my words they will be out in swarms on tuesday.
This isnt just theory, its anecdotal...all kids ive spoken to say they're waiting until tuesday to go with friends and such.
stop_the_stutter: that's funny that you mention 1984 because I often think the GOP is using 1984 as playbook rather than as a cautionary tale.
also: your "scare tactics" won't work this time. we've seen how America operates with right wing policies in place over the last 8 years. they don't work.
Thanks Sedi
I was just thinking because of the blitz PA has gotten with polling and equally important state like Virginia would be polled the same. It seems as though that Virginia is becoming a firewall with NV in case of an upset in PA.
Gallups numbers give me a moment of calm along with Ras teetering on 4-5 waiting to break out of the norm and show Obama up 6-7 soon enough.
Lieberman ran for re-election to the senate when he ran for vice president
in 2000.
BY the way assuming Obama gets elected president when would he resign his senate seat, after the electoral college makes it official?
@sherwick
Yes I think you're right.
- 53% in GA have already voted.
- Black voter numbers are way up in GA early voting
- Gallup has all but conceded that the expanded likely voter methodology is the correct one (or even an understatement of Obama support)
DE Senate seat
rumor is that assuming Joe Biden is the next VPOTUS...
the Gov of DE might chose to appoint the current DE AG - a certain Beau Biden
even though he is currently deployed with his National Guard unit
sounds like a plan to me
BTW - I met Jill Biden last week when she was here in FL. A wonderful lady & a dedicated educator
Joe & Jill will be in Daytona Beach for a rally on Sunday - think it is time for another rally !
also, waiting to find out for sure where Barack will be when he comes back to FL again on Monday or Tuesday to seal the deal flippin' the sunshine state BLUE !!
Josh,
You don't understand.
I am not trying to sway anyone here.
I just don't get why so many of you are embracing what will probably be an unchecked government that will become so obviously more oppressive and begrudge success and freedom to this degree.
It is baffling.
sharp, give assmole a kissy-wiss.
Josh,
You don't understand.
I am not trying to sway anyone here.
I just don't get why so many of you are embracing what will probably be an unchecked government that will become so obviously more oppressive and begrudge success and freedom to this degree.
It is baffling.
pk: Barack said 'enouhg'? Is that black man's talk?!
For those not up to speed on the Obama "press backoff" comments -
he was trick or treating with his daughter last night. A small press pool covered it. They kept their distance. A Polish TV crew then violated the agreement and got closer. He firmly told them to back away, as he had every right to do so. That was the extent of it.
I want to hear from you all. What extra bonus does Barack's victory hold for you? The list is long for me, but I'll share some with you:
(1) A chance to laugh at Joe Scarborough. (2) A chance to laugh at the entire Fox News network. (3) Send Palin back to AL and hopefully never hear a peep out of her again.
assmole, here's a big slurpy one for you
extra: I kid you not - a real word!
McCain and Palin have thrown everything at Obama, straight out of the Karl Rove playbook and Bam hasn't blinked and has remained as cool as the other side of the pillow. Can anyone honestly say that Bam won't be an incredible commander in chief. Id also love to see Colin Powell as his Secretary of Defense.
"BY the way assuming Obama gets elected president when would he resign his senate seat, after the electoral college makes it official?"
Assuming an EC edge big enough not have to worry about "faithless electors" he could resign any time. There is an advantage in seniority for his appointed successor the earlier it happens. Same in DE with Biden. It probably depends a lot on Illinois internal politics as much as anything.
bilia: what I feel when I hear Palen speak
Stutter - You're suggesting that Obamas government will be more oppressive than Bush's?
Milk just came out of my nose. Then i realized you were trolling us, and instead of laughing i just cradled my aching nose.
Its going to be so nice sidelining you people out of government for the next 2 years minimum. Im going to be able to read CNN in peace and tranquility.
assmole
next Pete the Parrot will be typing in ebonics...
btw - those Gallup #'s are some mad cheddar, yo !!!
damm straight, that is sum CHANGE we can BELIEVE in
shadow - did you read the Gallup link? They're predicting average turnout for 18-29 based on reported enthusiasm and intent to vote, nothing to do with early voting. Basically they're getting the same numbers this year as in 2004 - I was surprised by that since it contradicts my personal (though obviously limited) observations, but there you have it.
I suppose those numbers could be skewed by response bias, but I don't know how much.
"I just don't get why so many of you are embracing what will probably be an unchecked government that will become so obviously more oppressive and begrudge success and freedom to this degree."
See, from my point of view, I feel like it's corporate American that's oppressive and goes unchecked. I read every day how X company has laid off 15,000 employees here, 5,000 there. Closing plants, moving jobs offshore, etc. If government is a bad guy, it's only a sidekick to corporate American who are beholden to noone. We can't vote out the CEO of a company if we think he's a piece of crap. Government is not a bad thing if it is utilized competently by people of high ethics and standards.
CHI
lol
you typed AL for Palin [I know it was a typo for AK]
but really that is a fitting freudian slip
Sarah plain & simpleton could easily represent the worst stereotypes from AL
Obama campaign to give back the money give from half aunt....foxnews people now saying they should now get a list to see who donated to campaign as America has a right to know...or something along those lines....
Obama could still win Georgia if the black turnout surge in early voting continues on Nov 4th. 35% of early voters have been black while the registered voter share is only 29%. In 2004 only 57% of registered black voters voted while it was 70% for white. Its quite likely that this year the overall black vote share in GA could be as high as 33% while most pollsters assume a modest 25 to 27% share. Even with whites preferring McCain over Obama by as much as 75% to 25%, a black turnout surge could tip Georgia.
Also the women to men ratio of registered voters in Georgia is 54:44 and women are more likely to vote than men. Recent Daily Kos sample has only 51% women.
actually, 60% of GA has already voted and AA vote is holding steady and HIGH! http://sos.georgia.gov/elections/earlyvotingstats08.htm
Stutter, let me get this right. You equate increasing the rate of taxation for people making over $250K per year be a few percentage points to implementing a totalitarian state, a la Orwell's 1984. Is this correct?
But you didn't have any major objections to Bush being able to declare U.S. citizens "enemy combatants" who could be held indefinitely without access to the courts. Is this correct?
Stutter, did you object when the Bush administration asserted it had the power to engage in waterboarding and other techniques normally defined as torture?
But you're concerned that expanding access to health care is the camel's nose under the tent to implementing a totalitarian state. Do I understand you correctly?
CLOUDY
damm - returning that $260 or whatever she donated will cripple the Obama campaign in the last 80 hours...
lol, so pathetic
wonder if John McCain returned th donations from his bro after the 'incidents' in the last few weeks in the 'real' VA & with 911...
btw - the state should prosecute his dumb-ass bro for abuse of the 911 system [a felony]
they would if it was a relative of Obama's...
dcm, thanks for catching my error. It was an honest error. No insult intended to the people in AL.
[WV: messes. What Bush & McCain left the US in.]
So it looks like 59 for sure. I think that would be good enough to get cloture on the more important issues because republicans like snowe, collins, specter, ect.
Battleground Snapshot: Florida
CHI
thanks for sharing - I needed the laff ;-)
yeah, and as Barack is saying these days re: messes...
Bush has dug us into a hole & now he wants to give the shovel to McCain
"I am not trying to sway anyone here. "
Of course you are. Everyone who posts here is trying to sway people. Don't be such a coward as to try to put your opinion out here, and then refuse to engage in a civil debate.
"I just don't get why so many of you are embracing what will probably be an unchecked government that will become so obviously more oppressive and begrudge success and freedom to this degree"
Are we to assume that you voted for the Dems in 2006? In order to get away from an "unchecked government that had become so obviously more oppressive"?? Just wondering.
@chi
Here is what I am looking forward to:
1) watching the CNBC "journalists" pout like the juveniles they are, 2) watching Steve Forbes proclaim the biblical End of Days, and 3) watching the End of Joe Lieberman.
Thanks for the idea.
Maybe all those Republicans will show up on Election Day. But based on Oregon, I think that fewer than all of them plan to vote. How many fewer? We'll see
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why would a repub who is apathetic to McCain in the first place and seeing all of the news that he will lose in a landslide bother waiting in hours of long lines and vote? That alone, seeing the pictures of long lines will tell many why bother.
Oregon voting is 100% mail in. So, there are never any long lines to vote there.
This cycle, there are a lot of complicated ballot questions in Ore., and it seems as if people are just taking time to make up their minds on those issues.
Hey, y'all!
(and please don't send Failin to AL. Enough problems in my old home state as it is.)
hey shadow,
Thanks for the INTELLIGENT response. I can respect that, unlike that other clown that responded to my post.
I can agree that corporate america is way out of control. No question.
I can also agree that the power that the GOP ended up being used for mostly evil, instead of good. I consider the period of 2004-2006 a real shame for my party.
However, I do not feel the answer is to punish small corps, or larger corps even, and CERTAINLY not those who succeed at achieving with even more taxation. Corporations only pass on those taxes anyways, lets be honest here.
I also think fairness doctrine is ridiculous...and infringing on the second amendment is not fair either.
I just don't get why so many of you are embracing what will probably be an unchecked government that will become so obviously more oppressive and begrudge success and freedom to this degree.
Nah , unchecked and oppressive government is what we have had for the last 8 years and is what we are voting to be rid of. what I dont understand is why if you are opposed to such a method of governemtgovernment then why are you voting for 4 more years of the same?
"VOTE OBAMA" lit up on the side of a building.
This is my view from my place. It's been up for a while but I finally got around to snappin a shot.
Hope the link works.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/weesany/l_4fe5534cc3f544a3b8ada33afcb09a33.png
If we're going to pull our cautionary tales out of books....anyone read Robert A. Heinlein?
Sarah Palin has a certain Nehemiah Scudder-ish vibe to her. And in Heinlein's mythos, Scudder was elected President in.....2012!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_This_Goes_On%E2%80%94
I can't believe how many Minnesotans still want Coleman. The guy is such a sleaze-ball. I'm ashamed how many right-wing nuts live here. It makes me so sad.
Obama has like a 30 pt lead in the early voting: 53% ot 33%. Who gets the other 14%? Other? Won't say? DNV?
If Obama is only 50 percent plus 3 in the early vote, you have to begin to wonder how solid his lead really is.
Gallup seems compelling in supporting a 10% Obama lead. It is essentially predicting that across both their turnout models, the electorate apporimatels all RVs -- an unprecendented turn about in terms of typical Republican advantage in GOTV.
Based on the latter and the other reports concerning the composition of the early voters, I think Obama is poised to pick up an electoral landslide.
So today we find out Obama's aunt is in the U.S. illegally, donated to Obama's campagn illegally, and illegally received governemnt assistance (which is probably what she illegally donated to Obama). I can only assume she also plans to illegally vote for him as well. ACORN has probably illegally registered her five or six times by now.
Heh, really sums Obama's campaign nicely.
Nevertheless, I expect the media will still drag him across the finish line, even though some polls now have McCain ahead.
I promised myself I was going to phonebank for Barack this weekend. I'm heading off to a local office here in SF. The only problem: it's wet out there.
Gotta go. I'll be back for Today's Polls update. See you all later.
"PeteKent said...
Obama has like a 30 pt lead in the early voting"
hmmm petekent, 53-33 = 20 not 30LMAO!
GA early vote is 60% of the votes cast in 2004 but there are more than a million more registered voters in 2008 and the turnout could be higher too.
Almost 2 million out of 5.6 million registered voters have voted so far. That's only 35% -- expect 2.7 milllion or more to turn up on teh election day.
Ah, the sweet smell of victory hangs in the air. What a beautiful Saturday! Can't wait til Tuesday so I can watch MSNBC (for pure enjoyment) and Faux (for incrdible laughs).
So sorry I don't get HDNet.
Bill Clinton campaigned with Franken on Thursday. Now Obama needs to cut an ad for Franken and hope the Democratic base in Minnesota and his supporters put him over the top.
I always said that I'd be okay with falling short of a 60-seat majority if Franken could take back Paul Wellstone's seat. Jim Martin taking back Max Cleland's seat isn't as high a priority. But it would definately be a bonus.
>>even though some polls now have McCain ahead.
dream on
sherwick said...
"PeteKent said...
Obama has like a 30 pt lead in the early voting"
hmmm petekent, 53-33 = 20 not 30LMAO!
for pete its
53-33= 30
lol real joe. pete is delusional
Nice shot Alyssa--going to give Brett a run for his money in getting the "Mulie" award for best picture on 538.
McCain gets a big endorsement [NOT]:
from POLICAL WIRE
'Cheney Endorses McCain'
With President Bush "intentionally lying low this week," according to the New York Times, the Obama campaign wasted no time sending out a video of Vice President Dick Cheney's endorsement of Sen. John McCain for president.
DICK CHENEY:
"And in three days we'll choose a new steward for the presidency and begin a new chapter in our history. It's the biggest decision that we make together as Americans. A lot turns on the outcome.
I believe the right leader for this moment in history is Senator John McCain. John is a man who understands the danger facing America. He's a man who has looked into the face of evil and not flinched. He's a man who's comfortable with responsibility and has been since he joined the armed forces at the age of 17. He's earned our support and confidence, and the time is now to make him commander-in-chief.
I'm delighted to support John McCain and I'm pleased that he's chosen a running mate with executive talent, toughness and common sense, our next vice president in Sarah Palin"
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wonder if SNL will do a skit on this 'endorsement' tonight when Mac makes his cameo - sounds like a great set-up, no ?
or maybe Obama is leading 63% to 33% in early voting!
PETEKENT'S BALLS EXPLODE!!!!!
Allright, Sherlock, 20 pts! But you still hafta wonder why in that Poll Obama only polled at 53%.
Great post by Right Wing Conspiracist. Biography and your character do not matter! The Media wins!
You lose.
WV: nionsuc -- behind the Bar with Larry Sinclair!
So today we find out Obama's aunt is in the U.S. illegally, donated to Obama's campagn illegally, and illegally received governemnt assistance (which is probably what she illegally donated to Obama). I can only assume she also plans to illegally vote for him as well. ACORN has probably illegally registered her five or six times by now.
Heh, really sums Obama's campaign nicely.
Nevertheless, I expect the media will still drag him across the finish line, even though some polls now have McCain ahead.
RWC - "polls" You mean that single day in zogby? Nice try with the plurality, there.
Oh, and Obama's frail, elderly aunt may have donated a SHOCKING $260.00 to his campaign, but McCain received money from FOREIGN COUNTRIES.
His aunt donated welfare money she obtained illegally.
Will Obama bring his whole foreign family over here illegally when he's in the White House?
"some polls now have McGramps ahead"
Which polls LMAO?!
Thanks NVJ. I don't know what a Mulie award is, but Brett's photos are amazing. He definitely deserves some sort of award for them.
News just in cheney to campaign for mccain in the very critical and battleground state of ....... WY where mccain has a 20-30 point lead there....ok that makes sense....send cheney to FL or PA or OH....shesh what are they thinking!!
I always thought Cheney would have been a ble successor to Bush.
WV: vilipno -- per Lou Dobbs a despised foreign maid or gardner
Thanks for the INTELLIGENT response
Oh hell I wasn 't aware that you wanted intelligent replies. based on your original condescending snarky posing of the question I assumed you were just another troll
Rightwing-and today we find out that the Bush administration again released information illegally---but what else in new.
Re: Youth vote. Yes, in the eighties and nineties, the youth vote didn't make a dent's worth of difference. But now that this is the first election where the Generation Y cohort is eligible and engaged, there will be a statistically significant uptick of young voters.
The lines in Atlanta are no joke. Saxby Chambliss is in big damn trouble.
dcm in FL said...
McCain gets a big endorsement [NOT]:
from POLICAL WIRE
'Cheney Endorses McCain'
With President Bush "intentionally lying low this week," according to the New York Times, the Obama campaign wasted no time sending out a video of Vice President Dick Cheney's endorsement of Sen. John McCain for president.
DICK CHENEY:
". . .He's a man who has looked into the face of evil and not flinched. "
Because he's had lunch with Cheney numerous times without visible flinching?????
That endorsement is definitely my laugh of the day
one GREAT thing is that after McGramps loses on Tuesday, we'll never have to hear him say "my friends" again!!!
Even pentkent and Right Wingnut ConspirAcist must be happy about that!
So Stop_the_Stutter, you don't believe that taxes should be fair? You honestly believe that the rich should pay a smaller share of maintaining our roads, schools, police stations, and bridges than the poor? You honestly think that poor people don't deserve to have insurance? You like having an economy that doesn't work, in which consumers can't afford to keep spending because they are all broke?
Tax cuts for the rich have been going on for 30 years. The share that rich individuals and corporations pay in taxes has been steadily decreasing for 30 years, while the income gap between the rich and poor is skyrocketing. Even before the housing bubble crashed, consumer spending was collapsing for the first time in 17 years in this country, because of inflation, health care costs, and shrinking wages and sallaries.
Middle-class people who WORK HARD are being laid off, or are not earning enough money to pay for health care and housing. You think that's fair and it should continue? You think rich people shouldn't have to help support the society that made their prosperity possible?
Economic prosperity is impossible without roads, bridges, schools, firefighters, police stations, and consumer protections that WORK. A society in which a few extremely rich people rule over a mass of impoverished people without health care is NOT a society I want to live in. I want rich people to finally pay their fair share, for once. And I want a chance to ever have a job when I graduate. I want to keep my health care when I graduate. I want to be able to afford to raise a family, if I want one. I want to see our bridges and roads repaired, our schools funded, and EVERYBODY given the opportunity to succeed.
This economy in which nobody can afford health care or their house, this situation in which people can't get a decent primary education or afford college, is what stops people from achieving the American Dream. It is OPPRESSIVE. Which is more important, the opportunity of the richest 5% to get even richer, or the opportunity of the 95% middle classes and working classes to finally have some prosperity, for once?
And I especially don't want an autocratic government that illegally spies on citizens, jails and tortures people without trials, or fires attourneys for political reasons.
Palin campaigns for Palin:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
"the GOP nominee’s name was literally nowhere to be found on any of the official campaign signage distributed to supporters at the event.
Members of the audience proudly waved “Country First” placards as Palin delivered her stump speech. Those signs were paid for by the Republican National Committee.
The other sign handed out to supporters read “Florida is Palin Country,” but those signs were neither paid for by the Republican National Committee nor the McCain campaign. In small print, the signs were stamped with the line “Paid for and authorized by Putnam for Congress" — as in, the re-election campaign of Florida congressman Adam Putnam, whose district skirts Polk City."
So Putnam is trying to use Palin's coattails, not McCain's.
Both the Financial Times and The Economist have endorsed Barack Obama for US president. Both are British publications, so it is unclear what effect their opinions will have in the United States.
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anyone at all remaining on the sinking SS McCain or PT Boat Palin ?
that is, other than Dick Cheney...
For those odd fact fans out there, here's an old one, still interesting and relevant:
http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/st_20031017_1717.php
By this theory, politicians have an expiration date: if they don't reach Pres within 14 years of first major office (defined as Gov.), then they're toast.
Gallup predicts 35% of registered voters will have voted before Nov. 4. Even if we assume a very high turnout like 70%, that's half the votes. Considering some states don't have early voting, I think the majority of voters will have voted early in states like NC, NV, CO, FL, OH, GA.
Palin is toast in about... oh, say.. 60 hours?
Obama campaign to return aunt's donations
"Mulies" will be given out on Wednesday night: some of the categories--Best Links, Troll of the Year.....
she is a half aunt
NEWS
yup, that seems to be because the longer their political track record goes, the more historical on the record 'baggage' they accumulate thereby alienating key demos
sounds like confirmation of the final nail in the Mac campaign, and more support for Barack as the inevitable 45th POTUS at this time
thanks for sharing
my friends blah blah blah my friends blah blah blah my friends blah blah blah etc. etc. ad infinitum
Hillsborough County (FL) has about 15% early votes, plus 70K mail-in ballots that have been received, out of some 700K registered voters.
But in the primary, the county was one of the last ones to report its vote totals.
Furthermore, income tax cuts almost always cause property tax hikes, which can force middle-class and working-class people out of their homes.
I'm sick of a society that rewards HARD WORK with shrinking wages, rising costs, and lay-offs. That's unjust and wrong.
I'm sick of a society in which it's OK for the food to be full of melamine, the water full of arsenic and benzene, the air full of sulfur and ozone, because corporations have been deregulated. I'm sick of this deregulation anarchy binge that has ruined our economy. I'm sick of a government that won't lift a finger to protect our ports and shipping from chemical and biological attacks.
BTW, I was polled today for the first time in my life (a lot of Years). It was Ras. Wonder if I'll be eliminated because I told them that I had already voted for President Obama?
Here's the video of Cheney's endorsement, just in case you'd like to share:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGcM6MPqVM0
Franken has a good shot at winning in Minnesota; he wrestled in high school, and we like electing funny wrestlers.
newsinoh, no thanks. I'd prefer to keep my friends!!
SHERWICK said...
Palin is toast in about... oh, say.. 60 hours?
if shes not veep...2012 baby.....oh ya....
mccain supporter on MSNBC saying that women are turning to mccain due to the negative/sexist treatment that sarah palin is getting thus making the election close....also saying that Obama is buying the election something the republicans never do....
FT is printed in the US too and read by a lot of high fliers here.
more on the timing of the Cheney 'endorsement' of McCain:
Obama sez:
Cheney "knows that with John McCain you get a twofer: George Bush’s economic policy and Dick Cheney’s foreign policy"
OUCH - that's gotta hurt everywhere except maybe in WY & OK [and just maybe it will even hurt in the reddest of red states]
McGramps "My friends petekent and rightwingconspiracist, you have fought the good fight... actually, no you haven't and I blame both of you for my landslide loss my friends!"
This aunt story is such a non-issue and it shows how pathetic the McCain campaign is. If this is the stuff that they come up with 3 days before the election, we can relax guys, no more surprises.
I wonder if the Obama Aunt story is getting out there? We are news hounds so we hear it all. But do you ever listen to your 11 oclock news and hear how little poltical information we get?
WV: veries -- the Godesses of Truth that are said to be poised to haunt a future Obama adminstration
Will Obama bring his whole foreign family over here illegally when he's in the White House?
No, he'll either let them all die in Africa, or issue an executive order granting them all instant citizenship.
Obama gets the Peruvian Shaman vote:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2008/10/31/vo.peru.shamans.ap
Are they exorcising McCain?
McGramps/Failin' = landslide loss starting in about 58 hours LOL
Somebody just called Coleman a sleazebag?
Did they happen to forget who he was running against? LOL! The spiteful troll Franken?
Ditka's a funny guy. When he walked by me yesterday, somebody yelled "You're a great coach". Just walking by without turning, Iron Mike said "I'm an old coach."
The guy's awesome.
Here's where Mc gets his polling info:
A reader writes in with details of what does sound like a more classic push poll, identifying itself as coming from the pro-McCain group Let Freedom Ring.
The reader from State College, Pa., Mike Furlough, writes:
After I identified the economy as my main election issue, the "questions" began alternating with what was labeled a "fact." Most of these statements had to do with Obama connections to Freddie Mac, and linked Obama to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, asking if I trusted Obama to stand up to them when they want to raise taxes.
The other issue I could have identifed was "gay marriage and partial-birth abortion."
I'm hopeful that most Americans will see through the nasty Bush admin. aided dirty trick that is this whole Obama's aunt story.
It's just disgusting. I'm so sick of these despicable campaign tatics. I can't wait for Tuesday so I and the rest of the REAL Americans can vote for Barack Obama for a real change.
Remember when you see John McCain's name on that ballot think of George W. Bush's smirking face.
A vote for McCain is a vote telling George W. Bush you think he did a good job.
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> mccain supporter on MSNBC saying that women are turning to mccain due to the negative/sexist treatment that sarah palin is getting thus making the election close....
Yeah. I've an acquaintance - I really don't like to call her a friend - who holds that theory. She is, however, the only one who thinks that amongst all of my American women friends (I'm a Brit living in Britain) who probably number ten or so. Most women I know, American, British, Australian, are so phenomenally embarassed by the way she uses cutesy and folksy to substitute for, you know, intelligent debate, that we consider her to have thrown the eradication of sexism back by twenty years or so.
While I'm here (have tried to post twice already and have failed - I'm a new to posting on this site) is the disparity between state polling and national polling due to a possible lag, with the state polling following about two days on the tails of the national polling? I can't imagine a mechanism that would do that, although maybe the energisation of the BHO campaign every time there's a drop in national numbers may explain it.
plictogr - the offspring of an early Brit and a fairytale.
The U.S. is (or used to be, before the economy got Bushwhacked) the richest nation in the world, so why are 25% of the children here in poverty?
To conclude my rant, I don't want a "nanny state" that coddles stupid or risky behavior, etc. I want a JUST society which rewards hard work by ALL citizens, not just the rich ones. I want a government that will actually help people whose home has been destroyed by a hurricane, instead of leaving them out on the street for 2 years.
The other issue I could have identifed was "gay marriage and partial-birth abortion.
LOL, I can just imagine them calling me, if I said gay marriage was important, and they threw the Biden quote at me about him saying NO on Prop 8, I would just say "Awesome! Thanks, now I know to vote for Obama/Biden"
What is sexist is thinking women are some bunch of idiots that would automatically vote for someone with two X chromosomes.
PeteKent said...
I wonder if the Obama Aunt story is getting out there? We are news hounds so we hear it all. But do you ever listen to your 11 oclock news and hear how little poltical information we get?
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really want to know....foxnews is using it to call him a communist, socialist, secret sleeper cell muslim terroist bent on destroying america every 30 mins to 1 hr.....
MSNBC mentions it every once in awhile calling it the "october surprise" dsicussing how it could be leaked out to the press and what impact (if any) it will have....
CNN nothing really some discussion of it but to detailed....
Local news here in OK nothing (but mccain is up by what 30 points here?).....
but Im sure you only care about the unbiased news reporting like foxnews...
wishin' that Mac & Sarah would try the really pathetic Lizardbreath Dole attack angle and openly call Barack 'godless'
I think that might even push the evangelicals to abandon the GOPers in a huge tsunami
did you hear Obama egging John on earlier today trying to 'ruffle his feathers' [as Palin likes to say over & over & over...]
BHO said that McCain has called him everything EXCEPT a child of god
wow - that counter-punch was packed into his new stump speech for a reason IMHO
Obama is making a late direct play for the wavering evangelical voters sick of the nasty, hateful GOPer campaign
IF it works, then watch the margins grow in favor of Obama over the next 3 days...
my bet ? this was calculated & planned for maximum impact & timing by Team Obama to close the deal in a major realignment blowout
haven't we seen this tactical campaign strategy used to good effect numerous times in the past year ?
turn a supposed negative into a net positive
CHANGE we can BELIEVE in
note: the choice of 'believe' as a campaign theme is not lost on a certain key GOP base demo that might be wavering...
MSNBC (David Schuster) led the
11am PDT/2 EDT with the story, reporter Bob Franken:
Highlights:
1) Obama says he did not know her status
2) Campaign is returning contributions
3) Real questions of possible illegality in releasing the info since only gov't insiders would know
4) Likely to have no impact, particularly because this is so late.
Saturday newcasts have the lowest viewing all week any time of the day or night, cable, network or local.
Probably a one day story except for Fox and right wing radio, and the NY Post cover tomorrow, unless someone can prove that Obama knew she was illegal (such as having made efforts to help her stay).
November 1,
Day 20: IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll
Obama 47.9 MaCain 43.4 not much change from yesterday
Obama's lead firmed heading into the final weekend as drew even with men, made inroads down South and added to his new lead in the suburbs. But this may have been due to parents out with trick-or-treating kids. McCain held on to married women and Catholics but can't seem to get traction among independents or in the middle class.
I am definitely most interested in knowing which Bush crony let this one out of the bag.
Some of the strongest words I've heard from the campaign:
From his prepared remarks in Pueblo, Colorado:
President Bush is sitting out the last few days before the election. But earlier today, Dick Cheney came out of his undisclosed location and hit the campaign trail. He said that he is, and I quote, “delighted to support John McCain.”
I’d like to congratulate Senator McCain on this endorsement because he really earned it. That endorsement didn’t come easy. Senator McCain had to vote 90 percent of the time with George Bush and Dick Cheney to get it. He served as Washington’s biggest cheerleader for going to war in Iraq, and supports economic policies that are no different from the last eight years. So Senator McCain worked hard to get Dick Cheney’s support.
But here’s my question for you, Colorado: do you think Dick Cheney is delighted to support John McCain because he thinks John McCain’s going to bring change? Do you think John McCain and Dick Cheney have been talking about how to shake things up, and get rid of the lobbyists and the old boys club in Washington?
Colorado, we know better. After all, it was just a few days ago that Senator McCain said that he and President Bush share a “common philosophy.” And we know that when it comes to foreign policy, John McCain and Dick Cheney share a common philosophy that thinks that empty bluster from Washington will fix all of our problems, and a war without end in Iraq is the way to defeat Osama bin Laden and the al Qaeda terrorists who are in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
So George Bush may be in an undisclosed location, but Dick Cheney’s out there on the campaign trail because he’d be delighted to pass the baton to John McCain. He knows that with John McCain you get a twofer: George Bush’s economic policy and Dick Cheney’s foreign policy – but that’s a risk we cannot afford to take.
"nieddu said...
McCain held on to married women"
Geez, that won't play well with his base!
@nieddu, funny, McCain held on to married women eh, that did not help his first wife much....
rim shot.
Amongst those not giving up there Senate seats when running on a Presidential ticket were Al Gore, Dan Quayle, John Kerry, John Kennedy, George McGovern, Robert Dole (in '76), Lloyd Bentsen, Walter Mondale, etc etc. Its actually rarer for a candidate to give up there office, though Bob Dole did in 1996. This is what makes me think McCain has post election plans in the Senate, and I would expect him to run for senate in 2010.
GOP TROLLS: Today's big GUILT BY ASSOCIATION story isn't this silly story about Obama's aunt who he barely knows. No. It's DICK CHENEY. One of the most despised people in America. McCAIN = CHENEY. McCain = CHENEY. McCain = CHENEY.
McCheney!
Heres an interesting thought
In 2004 both Kerry and Bush had pretty strong youth following (which is obvious since I think youth turnout was a record but Kerry only won by 8%).
This year Obama has alot of youth support - but not McCain.
So overall there might be about the same amount of youth turnout - but not because Obama's youth supporters arent going to vote, but because McCains arent. In essence - Obama's increased youth support from Kerry only balances out McCains decrease from Bush. And we have evidence of that too - since Obama is leading by large margins among youth.
Black Vote Stats
2004
National Bush (11%) Kerry (88%) AA 12% of electorate
Ohio Bush (16%) Kerry (84%) AA 10% of electorate
Pennsylvania Bush (16%) Kerry (84%) AA 13% of electorate
Missouri Bush (10%) Kerry (90%) AA 8% of electorate
2000
National Bush (8%) Gore (90%) AA 10% of electorate
Ohio Bush (9%) Gore (89%) AA 9% of electorate
Pennsylvania Bush (7%) Gore (90%) AA 7% of electorate
Missouri Bush (14%) Gore (84%) AA 12% of electorate
There is no reason to believe McCain will perform better with AA than Bush and every reason to believe that Obama will perform better than Kerry and Gore. So any poll showing McCain with greater than 15% of the AA vote (and that’s generous) in any state can be dismissed.
stop_the_stutter said...
Josh,
You don't understand.
I am not trying to sway anyone here.
I just don't get why so many of you are embracing what will probably be an unchecked government that will become so obviously more oppressive and begrudge success and freedom to this degree.
??
You're suggesting GOP will win in such a big way we'll have unchecked governement like 2000-20^06? Seems impossible to me.
The shame of the Aunt story is how poorly Obama and his wife seem to look after their own.
I think that will turn off women of all stripes, but especially working class white women who are used to tending to their families. Black women should be especially outraged considering the disproportionate share of family duties they perform, but Obama has other charms for them.
Still I doubt more than 15% of the people even know this lady exists and how Obama disregarded her.
I am more hopeful for the people, but remain dubious given his track record of NOT tending to humanity.
WV: olshinel -- elderly woman, the wife of a Bottblack, esp African American; a term of endearment; alt.: a comforting presence
For all those freaking out about Pennsylvania, just consider the fact that if Obama loses this state, he will have lost in a landslide. For those inclined to see this in pictures, here's a comparison to 2004:
www.eatsblogsandleaves.com/2008/11/pennsylvania-reality-check.html
Stop_the_Stutter,
I have a question. You said that the last 8 years have been shameful for the Republican party, and that you don't like the autocratic behavior of the Bush administration?
Did you know that Palin has praised Cheney's performance as Vice President? She stated that she agrees completely with his philosophy that the VP should lead and control the Senate, and that she would extend this philosophy even more!
This is plainly unconstitutional and autocratic. If you don't want another administration that blatantly spits on the Constitution, who treat Congress and the courts as servants of the Executive branch instead of independent branches of government, why would you want to put Palin in power?
Honestly, Cheney must have known his endorsement of McCain would be fodder for the opposition
I can only assume he felt he had to make an endorsement at some stage in order to maintain his republican credentials - so he left it as late as possible, and on a Saturday
I mean lets get real - what his approval rating these days? 8%?
MONTREAL — A Quebec comedy duo notorious for prank calls to celebrities and heads of state has reached Sarah Palin, convincing the Republican vice-presidential nominee she was speaking with French President Nicolas Sarkozy.
In the interview, which lasts about six minutes, Palin and the pranksters discuss politics, pundits, and the dangers of hunting with current vice-president Dick Cheney.
The Masked Avengers, who have a regular show on Montreal radio station CKOI, intend to air the full interview on the eve of the U.S. elections.
The well-known duo of Sebastien Trudel and Marc-Antoine Audette have also tricked Rolling Stones singer Mick Jagger, Microsoft founder Bill Gates and French president Jacques Chirac.
>>The shame of the Aunt story is how poorly Obama and his wife seem to look after their own.
She's his half aunt and he has a big family. I don't even know all my cousins
MARKY
Mac may have senate plans for re-elecxtion in 2010
BUT did you see the results of a poll on AZ voters preferences for 2010 that was released this week by R2000 ?
If the choice in 2010 for Senate was between Gov Janet Napolitano or John McCain:
results were like: 53 Nap, 45 Mac
it was not even close...
plus the AZ governor's approval & favorability ratings were through the roof in the upper 60% range
BTW - both were better than Palin's #'s in AK, making Gov Napolitano the most popular Governor [not Sarah 'plain & simpleton']
IMHO assuming Mac loses the election, he should retire in 2010 before he goes down in flames trying to get re-elected at age 74 against the Gov [unless everything changes, of course]
States considered Swing States at one point or another Projection:
(somewhat difficult because we don't now exactly whose name appears as third part candidates in each state. I'm in texas. Bob Barr is on te ballot, Nader is not.)
National Obama +4.9%
Kerry Blue States
Oregon Obama +13
Washington Obama +12
Michigan Obama +11
Wisconsin Obama +10
Minnesota Obama +10
Maine district 2 Obama +9
New Hampshire Obama +9
Pennsylvania Obama +7
Bush Red States
New Mexico Obama +12
Iowa Obama +10
Nevada Obama +10
Virginia Obama +8
Colorado Obama +7
Ohio Obama +5
Florida Obama +4
North Carolina Obama +2
Missouri Tied (within 1 point)
Georgia Tied (within 1 point)
Indiana McCain +2
North Dakota McCain +3
Arizona McCain +3
Mississippi McCain +3
Montana McCain +4
Louisiana McCain +5
Omaha McCain +6
Tennessee McCain +7
West Virginia McCain +7
Arkansas McCain +8
Obama wins between 349-375 electoral votes
Popular vote
Obama 51.4
McCain 46.5
Barr 1.2
Nader 0.8
Mckinney 0.1
59 Dem Senators (including Liberman and Sanders)
134,000,000 total voters
PeteKent - you are right. Not many people know about Barack Obama's aunt because no one but right wing fringe lunatics like yourself and those at FoxNews care about this ridiculous non-story. I bet that most Americans have aunts and uncles they are barely know. Especially considering that Obama only knew his father for ONE MONTH in his life. How is he supposed to have a close relationship to the sister of the father he knew for ONE MONTH in his life? I mean.. this is just such a ridiculous stretch, it's hard to believe you guys are serious with this garbage. But I guess when you have nothing real to run on...
Guess who everyone DOES know DICK CHENEY. McCain's newest cheerleader.
petekent's ability to say exactly the opposite of reality continues to amaze me. Obama worked as a community organizer in Chicago for 12 years to help blue-collar neighborhoods. He says he always wanted to make his father proud although he barely knew him. And with 10 days to go in the race, he took time to go to Hawaii to visit his sick grandmother. These are just a few of the numerous examples displaying his compassion and love for his family and community. This is most obvious charm. He put the middle class at the center of his campaign, not lobbyists or big companies. But most conservatives still continue to overlook what's in front of their eyes.
Michelle Obama's brother is a BB Coach at Oregon U. He's just folks; they can talk to him.
Now as far as Obama's half-sister goes, Ms Soetero-Ng, we hear nothing. No one is the least bit curious about her.
But the mother's of John McCain's seventeen-year old daughter’s friends are of great interest, such that the New York Times will try and get to them via minor children's My Space pages.
Mmmmmm . . . .
. . . . women don't like that junk.
WV: ressing -- what Black women are doing with their consciences over voting for the cool and aloof Obama.
winniechili said...
I am definitely most interested in knowing which Bush crony let this one out of the bag.
I reckon it was the biggest Bush cronies of all...
Bush/Cheney.
dcm,
Oh I wasn't saying Mac would win another term, just that he might still run for another term. But even still from this range, I don't suppose anyone can really take that sort of poll tooo seriously. Who knows what the political climate will be like in 2 years time?
just on MSNBC palin calling Obama a fear monger in FL rally....which made me laugh....nice...
anyways the crowd starting chanting mccain not hussein...which palin tried to drown out by talking over the chant...nice....
Can any Canadians help us with info on how to hear the prank Palin interview from the Masked Avengers, (Montreal radio station CKOI), the fastest??? Time the show is on?? Anything???
A Quebec comedy duo notorious for prank calls to celebrities and heads of state has reached Sarah Palin, convincing the Republican vice-presidential nominee she was speaking with French President Nicolas Sarkozy.
newsinOH, omg, PLEASE, link? If this is for real, that's possibly the best thing ever.
Ellen,
I said that I didn't care for how the republicans handled their power between 2002 and 2006. IMO Bush did some good things in the first two years.
As for your Cheney arguements, I would compare the way you feel about that with the way I feel Obama plans on nominating judges that overreach in a much more egregious fashion.
I was hoping that between 2002 and 2006...especially 2004-2006, that the republicans would make the tax cuts permanent..(the ones Obama wants to let expire). I was also hoping that they could hammer out a sensible alternative to the Social Security system, perhaps by allowing for people my age to have the OPTION to privatize a portion or all of it.
The republicans accomplished little during the afformentioned time period. They got greedy, corrupt, and lost sight of the ball...BIG TIME. Now they pay.
What faces us now sounds great in theory, but never works in practice. Taking such a large chunk of the tax burden, and placing it on the most productive people in this country will undoubtably demoralize people's desire to acheive. What's the point if your composite tax rate is closing in on 60%? Because don't forget, Obama is rasing the top bracket back to the Clinton years...but the lower brackets will not only remain lower than the Clinton years, BUT GO EVEN LOWER. The progressive tax scale will be overly progressive...IMO.
Becky Sharp:
I know all of my Aunts and brothers, half blooded or not.
You?
WV: outtt -- what "bodymen" threaten to do thrice over to extort large salaries and lavish digs.
here in central FL today @ Palin rally...
her supporters chanted OVER her speechifying
"John McCain, not Hussein"
and Sarah diddled...
also, her impact sure seems to be flagging in support compared to earlier in her brief campaign cycle
she burned bright but fizzled fast
wv - 'conces'
as in on 11/4, Mac will have to give his 'conces'sion speech real early in the evening
no, i do not know all my aunts and cousins.
Here's the link about the Palin/"Sarkozy" interview, which will definitely be dangerous to my health--can you die from laughing too hard??????
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1108/Sarkozy_calling.html?showall
petekent,
Are we holding people responsible for other peoples crimes now? I thought you conservatives were big on personal responsibility?
"Unprecedented numbers of sporadic and first time voters have made their way to the polls and they have been disproportionately Democrats, young and African American. They have been waiting in line up to ten hours to vote. This sort of voter enthusiasm is unprecedented in American history"
For a foreign onlooker such as me, it is difficult to associate pictures of long lines in front of voting stations with the term "enthusiasm" and therefore see it as something inspiring. Rather, it is indicative of the shortcomings of American election procedures. Just think for second about the many people who will not vote because they are turned off by these lines. I have voted in all local, state, national and (except for one) European elections since I'm allowed to. I have never had more than ten people or so waiting in line in front of me. This is despite the fact that we don't have in-person early voting in Germany and the turn-out is generally higher than in American elections.
Really, PK, where are your priorities? Which is more important to this country, the fact that this lady is here, or the fact that a government official illegally released the info?
stutter, the "most productive people in this country" had exactly this "large chunk of the tax burden" under Clinton, and they didn't do too badly then! And neither did the country!!
"Mmmmmm . . . .
. . . . women don't like that junk."
Really all knowing one? Funny. What else don't we like?
"We have never been as convinced as others by some of the discouraging numbers. We are not saying we are moving ahead of him. But we are certainly encouraged by the tightening of the polls."
-- McCain senior adviser Nicolle Wallace
Napolitano might end up Att'y General or Supreme Court Justice; not sure she wants to be a Senator.
David Schuster really pushing whether Palin knows what the 1st amendment says - good for him.
On Cheney - 2 thoughts
1) He may realize the election is over, what the hell, I'll just say it
2) He has plans up his sleeve if Obama wins, so it doesn't matter (I still worry about a peaceful transition)
Oh, Laura Bush is going to campaign with McCain part of the day Monday
'PeteKent said...
Becky Sharp:
I know all of my Aunts and brothers, half blooded or not.'
That's easy when your family tree does not have a fork
What does the future hold for McCain and Palin?
Here's my take:
McCain will retire from the senate at the end of his term and become a TV pundit. He'll be pretty good at it - candid and funny.
Palin will run for Mark Begich's senate seat in 2014 and win. Until then she will continue to be a mediocre, part-time governor. ABC will give her a late night talk show which will be cancelled after the first season. She'll start a perfume line called "pitbull"
lol tyson!
this just in Obama's cat is illegal but Obama did not know that as he is allergic to cats and had not seen him in some time....Campaign expected to return the cats plages shortly....more to come....
mccains campaign hasnt even said much about the half aunt situation....course they probably leaked it but eh...
"Today's big GUILT BY ASSOCIATION story isn't this silly story about Obama's aunt who he barely knows. No. It's DICK CHENEY."
I'm convinced that both Bush and Cheney hate McCain and this Cheney "support" is basically his little way of sticking the knife in as McCain goes down...
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