The general is away, but the troops are at battle. If Barack Obama isn't coming to rain-soaked Georgia, his ground organization is very much here. In addition to the existing Georgia organizing infrastructure that has stayed on board, at least fifty outside organizers showed up in Georgia within a few days of November 4. The mission: to help Democrat Jim Martin in his U.S. Senate runoff against incumbent Saxby Chambliss. More organizers arrive each day. They're young -- but they're veterans -- and they've jumped right in.
In other parts of the country, including northern and southern California, Obama organizers run phone banks into Georgia on Martin's behalf. So many organizers have flooded in that in Savannah yesterday, the candidate himself mistook us for organizers and thanked us for coming down.
Ohio's organizers, in particular, have a special relationship with Georgia. When Obama pulled a number of his staff out of Georgia during the general election, a large percentage of that group headed to the Buckeye state, and anyone in that category has returned on paid staff under Georgia's Campaign for Change.
Martin has ground to make up in the race; on November 4, Chambliss narrowly missed the 50% mark that would have given him an outright win. Instead, Chambliss and Martin will vie on Tuesday for one of the two undecided Senate seats in a runoff election that has drawn larger-than-usual national attention due to still-live Democratic hopes to reach a symbolic 60-seat caucus.
Barack Obama's choice not to visit the state personally has come under criticism. John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich have all visited the state for Chambliss, and Sarah Palin will be stumping four times for the Republican on Runoff Eve. Jim Martin has had Al Gore and Bill Clinton stump for him, but the big missing name is Obama.
Different theories abound, but the simplest explanation is Obama is unwilling to squander any perception of strength this immediately into his term as President. (Technically, Obama will be sworn in January 20, 2009, but nobody disputes that an impotent George Bush has essentially curled into a fetal ball in the face of the massive economic crisis and that Obama is acting as de facto President.) Fairly or unfairly, if Martin fails to pull off the upset in red Georgia, Obama's "mandate" would come under question. It's a hard risk-reward calculus, especially for a Martin team that believes an Obama appearance would be extremely helpful, but it's the reality.
At the human level, there is almost a wistful, gravitational pull for many of these organizers in returning to a race. To work on the Obama campaign, these folks had to disconnect from their previous lives. Friendships, relationships, and other plans all took a backseat to the single-minded mission to elect Barack Obama. Plugging back into the world, especially when job plans for most of these twenty-somethings are uncertain, is a difficult task. While the pride is evident, conversations with many of these organizers reveals a strange sense of feeling lost, untethered from an all-consuming routine. So when organizers hear other organizers are coming to Georgia, it's a form of therapeutic reunion for many, much like a reunion of military veterans. Unless you've been through it, it's hard to explain.
The Martin campaign has 25 field offices in the state, which is the same number of offices Chambliss has. We visited the Savannah offices Friday night and yesterday, and the organizing edge goes to Martin. On Friday night, the Chambliss office was open but empty, and a couple of dialers worked on Saturday around noon.
As Gillian Bergeron, Obama's deputy field director in Colorado and our special photographer for this trip, snapped away, the cordial Chambliss staff subtly joined the volunteers to add perception to a larger phone bank. In reality, there were three dialing volunteers while we were there. The operation was phone calls; Martin's operation in Savannah was doorknocking, following a morning rally at the ILA Hall.
Polling in the runoff -- notoriously unreliable since nobody knows what turnout model to predict -- seems to peg the race at two or three points in Chambliss' favor. Chambliss, who finished three points ahead of Martin on November 4, remains the favorite. Still, Chambliss votes trailed McCain votes by nearly 182,000 on Election Day, while Martin votes trailed Obama votes by nearly 87,000.
This can be interpreted in one of two ways. One way is that not much enthusiasm exists for Chambliss within his own base, that nearly 9% of McCain voters were there to vote for President only (compared with under 5% of Obama voters who didn't also vote for Martin, with cross-ticket voters canceling each other out). Maybe this reflects a larger apathetic stance among Republicans toward Chambliss.
The other way to interpret the numbers is that Martin needed Obama on the ballot to get a higher percentage of his votes, and that without Obama there to inspire Democratic turnout, particularly among African-American voters, Martin will lose by a wider margin. In other words, Chambliss may have had higher dropoff from McCain, but he is less dependent on McCain's coattails than is Martin.
Whatever turns out to be the case, at the close of early voting Wednesday, according to the Secretary of State's office 345,564 had voted, and 22.5% of those votes were African-American, an ominous dropoff from the 34.5% of black early voters for the general election.
Still, according to Georgia Democratic Party spokesman Martin Matheny, thousands of volunteers were hard at work across the state knocking doors in the rain and making phone calls on Jim Martin's behalf. The lines on Election Day will be much shorter than during the general election, given the much shorter ballot, and Democrats here think that most of its voters are going to turn out on Runoff Day itself.
Lots of unknowns in rainy Georgia. We'll be bringing you a few more updates in the next two days, so stay tuned.
11.30.2008
Obama's Organizers in Georgia, But Not Obama
by Sean Quinn @ 3:40 PM
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First!
Beat Chambliss - he is the lowest of the low! If you can't go down, send money!
Second!
GA matters more and more as MN looks to close to call.
Nice report Sean!
Thanks for rocking Chris Matthews world!
Martin will lose. The whole entry didn't seem that positive, frankly, and the African American early voting stat says it all. I think it will be a bigger margin than election day.
If Obama would prefer 59 to 58 Democratic senators, failing to campaign for Martin was a mistake. Obama's honeymoon is in full swing already, and Georgia hasn't escaped its influence. He should have at least done personal radio messages on African-American-oriented stations, and a general TV spot in which he asked Georgians to send Jim Martin to Washington to insure that decisive change comes to government. A message saying that "our government is broken and Jim Martin knows how to fix it" would have had strong appeal to independents and to moderates of both parties.
Obama would be mad to risk early political capital on actually putting in an appearance in Georgia, in the end I think Chambliss should probably win, but I think all Democrats will be pulling for Martin, especially after 2002 and Chambliss' shameless ripping down of a true American hero. But I think odds are against at the moment, although I expect Georgia to trend more Democratic over the next few years, so hopefully Chambliss will only be a two termer.
Obama is not going to Georgia because he doesn't want his 'halo' to be tarnished by a certain defeat. Doesn't say much for the 50 state strategy does it?
Chambliss will win in a landslide. No 'spreading it around' in Georgia.
Thanks for the shoutout to CA - I'm here today at a phonebank in the East Bay, plenty more happening around the Bay Area today through Tuesday.
Michael - eat my 59 seat advantage.
How's that permanent republican majority.
I think it's less about Obama's halo being tarnished by defeat than it is about maintaining an air of bipartisanship. He thinks he can get more done with 58 Dems and some goodwill among the Reps, rather than maybe 59 Dems.
Anyway, I shorted Shameless on Intrade at 93. He's clearly the favorite, but that seemed a bit extreme. Special elections are hard to predict.
How come I have never received a single phone call from Martin or Democratic campaigners ever since the run-off was official announced? Yet I am being bombarded by a barrage of phone calls every single day, robo-calls or recently live person, by the Republicans (i.e. US Chamber of Commerce, RNC, GA Republicans, their wives, their pets, etc.).
The only great news out of all this has been, if I ever get a chance answering the phone with the live person, I usually play a roll of either some bucolic cretin who asks irrelevant or satirical questions from the caller, or put on a political pundit suit and hammer the ignorant Chambliss supporter for 10 minutes, arguing her/his head out. I once claimed I was just diagnosed with testicular cancer and demanded to know what Chambliss could do for me -- the young girl couldn't find much on her Q-cards to offer so wished me luck and hung up. Now my feigned cancer will have to wait for free-market solution but meanwhile, I shall call my cancerous tumor "Chambliss".
What I have noticed though is that the majority of the people who call live, they emit absolutely no enthusiasm and the tone has no vim and comes off as very ineffectual -- as if the staff really don't want to be there.
The main reason Obama shouldn't show up in Georgia is that -- win or lose -- he needs to keep the media and the people's focus on his post-electoral efforts to form his administrative team and to get up to speed and ready to replace the failing incumbent president.
Sure, Obama would like Martin to win. But he doesn't want to take his own eye or the media's eye or the public's eye off of his transition to the presidency.
Tomorrow, for example, he's likely to be announcing his foreign policy team. And part of his message there will be to promote the idea of a "post-partisan" foreign policy.
In a lot of the commercials I've seen here on the just-barely-not-Georgia part of Alabama Chambliss appears to be mostly running against Obama, with Martin almost incidental ("Martin wants to help Obama raise YOUR taxes!"). I think if Obama had come here campaigning for Martin Chambliss would have used it against him--and it would have helped to energize his base. Obama's hands-off approach blunts that.
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Is it possible Obama isn't coming to the state because it will mobilize Chambliss voters? I.e. if he sends staff, they go in under the radar; if he comes, it becomes a referendum. That not only hurts Obama if he loses, but hurts Martin if it creates a perception that Chabmliss could lose?
I live in Athens Georgia and the Martin people have been doing a great job. I've received two live phone calls, 2 recorded calls, and a knock on my door.
Athens Clarke County (home of the University of Georgia) went 65% for Obama, but I'm not confident of the statewide result. I'm going to be calling everyone I know in and urging them to turn out. We'll just have to see what happens.
Obama is staying away from Georgia because Martin has very little chance of winning and keep in mind except for the Black vote probably 75% of the vote went to Chambliss on election night.
This is the deep south, not very friendly to democratic senate candidates.Obama doesn`t want to get involved in politics at this point anyway.
I would be shocked if Martin gets more than 46% of the vote. Maybe in 2012 Obama can do better down in the south after he proves himself.
We're doing what we can here in Southern California. Statewide, we've made over 30,000 phone calls in the last two weekends, our one phone bank in CD36 has made over 10,000 phone calls.
Most folks we've called seem pretty aware of the election, and have committed to going out to vote on Tuesday. Very few have taken advantage of early voting, which makes me wonder if we'll see the inverse of the general election - light turnout during early voting, with the majority of Democrats coming out on election day.
Was there any serious discussion about Obama actually going down there in person?
Personally I think Obama never even considered it. He's no longer a Democrat first and foremost. He's the president-elect and as such it's (to blatantly steal from McCain) "Country First". Getting involved in a Senate race should be way below the office of the president. Obama, I feel, realizes that. Adding to that are some of the thoughts already mentioned about losing momentum, etc. But as such I think it is very wise not to get involved in party politics from the get-go.
Statler- your argument may be true if Martin was trying to run away from Obama. But instead, Martin has taken a gamble and has decided to tie himself to Obama's agenda regularly, rather than run as a Blue Dog.
Martin's first ad was to replay Obama's victory speech and say that he would help Obama turn around the economy. Martin is proud to run with Obama, so Chambliss tying Martin to Obama is less effective.
Hopefully the Obama ground game is enough! :)
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The famed Obama ground game! The art of getting people who were going to vote for you to have second thoughts. Sexy Chumplick '08!
I am skeptical of the theory that Obama would lose any "politcal capital" at all if he campaigned for Martin and then Martin didn't win. What probably _would_ hurt would be any perception that Obama has taken his focus off the transition, even for the short time it would take him to give a speech in Atlanta -- regardless of the outcome of the runoff. Obama probably really IS too busy with the transition to come here anyway! He DID cut a radio ad (for the poster who wished he would - it has already happened) as well as a robocall.
I have personally been phoning and knocking, and every piece of lit we handed out since 2 weeks before the general election has featured both Obama and Martin. Every single Obama voter I've spoken with already knows that Martin is their candidate.
About 3.7 million people voted in the Senate race in November. Probably fewer than 2 million will turn out on Tuesday. Which 1.7 million people will stay home? There's no way to know... which is exactly why Martin can't be written off. This race is very much a tossup.
Thanks to the folks from out of state who are helping us with calls and contributions! The Republicans are bombarding people with mailings (I get 2-7 per day) but there's nothing like person-to-person contact.
As much as I loathe and detest Chambliss, I don't see Martin coming very close in this one. If Obama makes the trip down to GA, it just associates him with a pretty ugly defeat. The overwhelmingly positive press Obama is getting for the transition effort so far probably does as much to help Martin as anything. Keeping focused on the big picture is the smart play for Obama here.
Jindal '12!
Yeah - I agree with the political capital theory. I don't think a president-elect on a honeymoon with the public and the media can afford to squander political capital on a losing proposition. He's invested his resources, but that's as far as he can go, because it will be a magnified loss for HIM if he appears and Martin still loses - a way of saying that after all, maybe Obama doesn't have the mandate he thinks he has.
As a Democratic County Rep. in Georgia it is frustrating to see that this week Obama has time for David Letterman, but no time for us. I think it would take just 2 hours to fly down, 1 hour program and 2 hours to fly back. However, as Obama said himself. "It's up to us to change our government" And if you look at previous results we have. Our previous Dem Candidate for Gov. lost 63-37%. For Jim Martin to get in a Run-off shows that we have made tremendous strides and moved the needle much more toward the middle with a 49-47 % race. Two months before the election no one would have bet on Jim Martin getting into a run-off with Saxby. While we may not win we are proud of the work we have done to make the R's sweat it out in a supposedly "Dark" Red State. Of all the Red States--ours was the closest. Thanks to all those volunteers out of state making calls --We appreciate it!!!!
Sincerely, Bob Herndon Secretary Dekalb Democratic Party
(The largest Democratic County for Obama in the Country)
I don't think it is a matter of "finding time" Obama is a master at knowing where he should be and what effort he should give to a project. We saw that with how he spent his time with his grandmother critically ill but I agree with all of the above reasons as why he could not come down at this time. All good Dem's would have to be passionately for a Martin victory and many of us did contribute or donate time. I did but at the same time I greatly respect Obama's decision not to come down at this time because in part the media would have turned it into another prime time election and he would be faced with defeating the Republican's all over again and if 'he' lost then we would be in for a rough time. I heard that he did some radio advertisement is that true? I am hoping for the best and happy Sean is there with his on the spot analysis.
Technically, Obama will be sworn in January 20, 2009, but nobody disputes that an impotent George Bush has essentially curled into a fetal ball in the face of the massive economic crisis and that Obama is acting as de facto President
Yeah, he's curled in the fetal position while his Secretary of the Treasury feeds the wussy Democratic Congress a line of crap and fools them into handing the people who got us into this mess a blank check. He's pulling perhaps the greatest snowjob of his presidency off, with an approval rating below freezing and his party getting its ass handed to it in the election. Some lame duck.
If Paul Coverdell could beat Wyche Fowler in the 1992 runoff, then Martin doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning this. Obama isn't touching this unless Martin shows a hint of a chance. He doesn't have one, so Obama is steering clear. Sending all the king's horses and all the king's men is plenty for this lost cause.
The theory that Obama would expend political capital if he made a personal appearance in a losing Martin campaign is total nonsense.
As an Obama supporter I'm totally embarrassed by Obama's refusal to make a Georgia campaign stop.As the leader of the Democratic Party it's part of his job to make every effort to aid Democratic candidates.
Bipartisanship be damned! The Republicans will make every effort to defeat every progressive Democratic bill.We need Martin in the Senate.Get off your ass Barack and head for Georgia.
Obama could influence the election without crawling too far out on a limb: He could announce that he would come to a victory rally IF Martin wins. Asking Georgia voters to wear their "I voted" stickers from the polls would be a nice touch, though using the stickers as the price of admission would probably be illegal.
In my view Martin has made a big mistake engaging in a mudslinging campaign with Chambliss. A positive campaign --with an occasional reference to the fact that Saxby won his seat by accusing a triple amputee of being a traitor -- would have been far more effective. This election has been a mud bath.
And perhaps this hasn't occurred to anyone, but maybe Obama campaigning for Martin will cause more harm than good?
If I recall correctly, Obama lost in Georgia by five percentage points, and that was with a huge AA turnout. Unless Chambliss (who beat Martin by three percentage points on 04 Nov) starts campaigning in KKK robes and Obama personally drives Georgia AA voters to the polls, that isn't going to happen again. My guess is that Obama's approval ratings among the people likely to vote in this runoff are not very good.
Obama could make a token appearance or two, but this is a lost cause.
People are ignoring the obvious. OBAMA IS TOO BUSY to campaign. He has to be ready to fix the crimes and mistakes of the worse president since James Buchanan. Obama is not about running the unending campaign like Clinton and Bush did. He wants to govern.
Even if it would be the difference between victory or defeat it would be unwise for Obama to get involved. He will lose credit from moderate Republicans in congress and lose in favorability among independents and moderate Republicans in the population because he would look partisan again. It's no use winning 1 Democratic senate seat if it will make it harder to be able to work with Republicans.
" It's no use winning 1 Democratic senate seat if it will make it harder to be able to work with Republicans."
Sorry,Sam,but i don't get your logic here.Winning a senate seat could mean that you wouldn't have to go begging-a la the inept Harry Reid-for Republican support from Republicans that hate your Democratic guts to begin with.
Statler: "KQyark, I thought there was only one President at a time. Obama isn't governing anything at the moment. Bush is. Obama doesn't debut until January 20, so he has time to get to Georgia and make a speech."
... only if you want him to still be transitioning when he should be up and ready to go.
"Statler N Waldorf said...
KQyark, I thought there was only one President at a time. Obama isn't governing anything at the moment. Bush is. Obama doesn't debut until January 20, so he has time to get to Georgia and make a speech."
Obama refuses to make the same mistakes past presidents like Clinton did who did not have his cabinet ready on Jan 20th. Obama has to literally hire thousands of people and define strategies to bring this country back from the Bush abyss.
Sean said:
"nobody disputes that an impotent George Bush has essentially curled into a fetal ball in the face of the massive economic crisis and that Obama is acting as de facto President.)"
Actually, many of us don't agree with this. Bush is busy writing up thoroughly nasty executive orders. He isn't publicizing this fact (that is a sign of his lame-duck-ness), but he certainly hasn't curled up into that fetal ball.
Bush has continued to push on the status of forces agreement with Iraq. I haven't looked at the text, but I also haven't heard of any Bush consultation with Obama on what should be in there. Bush certainly hasn't deferred to the President-elect on Iraq policy.
Paulson has been somewhat quiet just lately, but that is only because they know he can't get anything through the Demo-controlled Congress at this point.
The Bushies, in the executive branch not the Congress, seem very focused on doing as much as they can before the door slams behind them.
Just because you don't see Bush much these days doesn't mean he is just waiting patiently to leave, instead of continuing to do evil wherever he still can.
As a lifelong Georgian, getting this state to go for a moderate democrat (not a dixiecrat) is an extremely hard thing to do. I don't expect Martin to pull this off, although I voted and have my fingers crossed.
As for Obama not coming down here... I see this as a good thing. Yes, he would help mobolize some voters for Martin, but I think he would also mobilize just as many people to vote against him (if not more). The far right has a well established base here.
Most of the TV ads are dominated by Chambliss, which are largely negative. This could turn out to be a good thing for Martin. It might make enough Georgia conservatives feel as if Chambliss is dominating the campaign and it wouldn't be a problem if they are too busy to vote. However, most of Martin's campaign is through niche advertising via radio, robocalls, person-to-person calls. These also include endorsements from Obama. If Martin can mobilize voters without making -some- conservatives aware, it might just be enough to make up a small gap.
It is a long shot, but possible given the turn out in runoff elections.
I work as an elections official in a very conservative area in suburban Atlanta. It typically votes more than 2 to 1 for republicans in presidential, US Senate, and US House races. At the end of the day if my precinct votes for Chambliss 2 to 1 or less, I will take that as a good sign.
Georgia matters to Georgians, but not to the rest of the country. Whether Dems have 58 in the Senate or 60 (includes the two independents) makes no difference. 60 does not guarantee a filibuster. There are two many moderate Dems to guarantee anything. Having more Democrats in the Senate just means more infighting and factions. Democrats as a majority will not be nearly as united as Republicans were as the majority. And Obama will not be as heavy-handed against Dems who don't vote how they're supposed to, compared to Bush and Cheney.
Obama is exercising sound judgment by staying out of Georgia. He seems focused on the bigger picture.
There's no small amount of irrational thinking going on concerning an Obama visit and its impact, and a subtle amount of prejudice as well.
This notion that Obama sets foot in Georgia and somehow that translates into a stampede of votes...how does that work exactly? And how does anyone know that it doesn't cause an equal and opposite stampede for Chambliss?
There are many well-intended people here, and at DKos and other on-line sites, people who are spending their own time and money to help out in my state's senatorial race, and I'm thankful.
But there are also no small number of people here who are operating on some real prejudicial assumptions about black voters especially, and Georgia voters in general.
There are some people who need to drop the "Obama needs to bring the colored folk" routine out before they embarrass themselves further. That's as prejudiced as Rush Limbaugh saying the Powell endorsement was all about race.
I'm white, ok, but black voters in Georgia (or white voters for that matter) don't just respond like good little robots and vote race whenever its waved in their faces. At least, no more or less than anywhere else in America. And I say that as someone who lives in a region (north GA) that is as Republican and as prejudiced as any place in America.
But even here, its just not that simple.
When I did my calls locally to the base, i found virtually everyone aware of the election and expressing support for Martin.
I'm sure GOP GOTV efforts find the same thing on their side.
Its simply a question of which base gets more voters out. The GOP has an advantage there, which the polling reflects, but its not a guarantee.
Martin can win if enough Democrats just get out and vote.
That would be true if Obama showed up here as well.
His appearance here would essentially change nothing, so stop whining about it, and stop trying to blame black voters in GA for not getting out to vote.
Let's not turn this into another Prop 8 spectacle.
Obama has his hands full.
Sure he could find the time for a brief appearance, but what of other 2010. What of all the other specal elections and runoffs that must ocure over the next 8 years?
This is as good a time as any for Obama to make it clear that there is only one of him. Far more critical tasks than this will have to be deligated.
This election is probably NOT so important in the grand sceme of things. The dems have a working majority. What is important is that they make the right moves over the next 2 years. It will be 2 years of crisis managment so things should be fairly bipartisan. Do that and the fabled filibuster proof majority will be theirs for the taking in 2010.
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Georgians have a history of resenting Presidential noses poking into our electoral decisions. I think the organizational help with GOTV and visits by surrogates is just fine.
I made a couple of hours of calls on the "Campaign for Change" system the last couple of evenings and was heartened by the response. Only one rude Republican. I assume the list is targeted, but I've never had so little kickback from the opposition.
I'm not sure Obama going to Georgia would be a good idea. I think there would be a backlash - the president-elect campaigning for a senator during a national crisis wouldn't resonate well with voters. And Georgia remains a pretty conservative state - which Obama lost by a larger margin than the moderate Martin. But on the other hand he could immensely help the AA turnout, which would be crucial for Martin.
I like your articles, Sean, but there's a lot of bullshit in this post. First off, Obama is not the de facto President. You might get that impression from the lack of coverage of Bush in the media these days, but he's still giving all the executive orders. Second, a 60-seat caucus is not symbolic. There are occasionally defections, but most of the times having 60 Democrats guarantee a filibuster-proof majority. Third, polling in the runoff are not "notoriously" unreliable. We just think they'll be unreliable. There have been too few run-offs to know for sure if they're unreliable or it has just been unfortunate.
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I don't know for sure, but I would think the negatives of Obama going to Georgia would outweigh the positives.
Negatives
1 "He's not concentrating on the economy / country" from everywhere in the media (see Bill Clinton's transition for previous instance of people looking to criticise a Dem president as soon as they're elected). This will have traction with the non-partisan as well as the Repubs.
2 An Obama visit is likely to galvanise Repubs, as well as Dems. There are more Repubs than Dems in Georgia.
3 Martin is likely to lose (even if Obama visits). Associating yourself with failure at the beginning of your administration is not helpful. First impressions matter (see Bill Clinton, as above).
Positives
1 Will please Democrats.
2 Um....
If I thought a visit from Obama would make a difference to the result, I would maybe say it would be worth it, but I really don't think it will.
Perhaps Joe Lieberman threatened to quit the Democratic caucus if Obama worked against his very good friend Saxby Chambliss.
Georgia is fools gold for Democrats. Waaay too many southerners entrenched down here for their to make progress outside of Athens ant the ATL.
And I say this as someone who has great optimism about VA, MO, NC, and even FL. But GA and SC? Forget it. Red to the death, just like the rest of the deep south.
Martin is toast. I'm surprised it's a runoff to begin with.
statler
It's just my opinion. I really can't see the positives in it for Obama. He's done everything short of visiting.
The only other thing I would say is that so far he appears to have known what he was doing. Why doubt that he knows what he's doing on this?
Oh, and I'm a Brit, so what do I know anyway? :)
I was in GA for thanksgiving. Saxby ads outnumbered Martin ads 3-2, and the National GOP Trust is running hard hitting ads linking Obama to Martin, so that Pac apparently thinks Obama is a net negative in GA, which is may be. GA was one of the states where Obama didn't perform that well with the white vote versus 2004. Remember, GA is a huge state with large small town, rural, farm votes outside of Atlanta; Obama isn't going to run well down there. In addition, Obama is weaker in the GA suburbs than he is in FL, NC, and VA suburbs.
Chambliss by 11%, total vote 1,960,000 is my guess. It's too bad, but even if Obama had come, that would only make a couple points difference.
Statler, I accept that Martin winning is a positive for the Dems. The assertion is that he has virtually no chance of winning, even if Obama visits. If not for Georgia's weird 50% + 1 rule, Chambliss would already have been elected and by a clear margin.
I agree that Sean is way off in his claim that Obama is currently the de facto President, but that doesn't mean Obama's sitting on his couch in his bathrobe watching reruns of "Who's the Boss?" He has a LOT to do in a short amount of time, and he has to set priorities. While Martin winning would be a good thing, I don't think buying a lottery ticket for that remote possibility serves as a high priority.
If Obama's campaign has taught us one thing about him, it's that he's a shrewd decisionmaker and that he avoids battles that he can't win. This bodes well for him as President, I think.
Martin has no chance at winning but it won`t be a blowout, probably 4-6 points if the dems can get a decent portion of the AA population to vote.
It`s hard to say, special elections are weird most people think Chambliss is going to win and may just pass on voting but the GOP is spending a fortune on negative ads demonizing Obama, it may stir up the klan vote to go to the polls.
Final PPP poll has Chambliss up 53-46. Stick a fork in this one.
I think it's a good thing that Obama didn't waste a lot off effort on this race. Once it got to a runoff, it was going to be very difficult for Martin to get the same kind of enthusiasm and turnout. I really think it would have been better for the Democrats
to have Chambliss won outright on November 4.
^Yeah, stick a fork in it. Because 7 point leads in polls are completely insurmountable, especially in a low turnout unpredictable run-off election.
You can ask Begich how his double digit lead in the polls turned out.
As much as I hate to say it, Martin really has no chance in this election. The high turnout in support of Obama is probably what kept Chambliss below 50% on Nov. 4, and that enthusiasm won’t be there for Martin. I don’t live in Georgia so I may be way off in my assessment, but from the other side of the country this looks less like a vote for Jim Martin than a vote against Chambliss. Kinda how Begich was the anti-Stevens vote, and it took a felony conviction for the people to turn against Stevens. Not saying that there needs to be some huge scandal for Martin to win (although maybe that IS what it would take), but the fact is Chambliss was barely below 50% on Nov. 4 and all you need is 50% plus one to be the winner. The final poll shows him up 53-46. Martin has way more ground to make up with less support. If it were a two man race to begin with, Chambliss would have gone over 50%. Democrats really have nothing to lose in this election, so there is probably a complacency factor that will keep some of them home. They already got there win. The Republicans, however, are looking desperately to stop the bleeding and consider this a huge election. I just don’t see a filibuster proof majority as being incentive to get people to vote for Martin, but it will be a sizeable incentive for the Republican side to keep this seat out of Democratic control.
Statler, if you worked for the Obama campaign and donated money with the idea that you were electing a God who can swing senatorial elections in the deep south just by showing up and giving speeches, you made a big mistake.
The Coalitions of the Screwed Over by Bush has other issues with which to contend, issues where Obama's work can actually make a difference. I strongly prefer that Obama spend his precious time on those issues instead of campaigning for Jim Martin.
Obama is right not to campaign for Martin. Surely, it's disappointing for Martin, but it would be different if Obama had won in Georgia, but he didn't and his presence would only detract from his work managing the transition. Now is not the time to appear overtly political.
The Martin folks were out knocking on doors in the rain on Saturday, and now I have a new "Change" sign next to the "Obama" sign on my lawn. They obviously weren't just knocking on doors with Obama signs — there's a "Change" sign across the street where there was no sign before. I'm rallying the folks (well, the Democrats, anyway...) in my office to get out and vote tomorrow, and I've warned them that I'm taking names and expect to see "I voted" stickers on Wednesday morning. It'll be a squeaker.
If you live in Georgia, vote. If you don't, pray...
Marion, I wish you the best of everything. I hope Martin wins, even if it is a squeaker. If nothing else, we can tell them were they can stick that fork :)
Fuck Saxby Chambliss. Georgia voters will set American free from religious right wing extremists that spread nothing but hate and greed across this beautiful country. Let's show them the South can be tolerant and just too.
Peace, Y'all!
statler, off the topic but
how big a fan of the Muppets are you? Or did your name come from somewhere else?
Animal! Smash!
Barack is very wise to stay out of Georgia. He lost decisively there, and a campaigning visit could do Jim Martin more harm than good.
Whether we like it or not, racism is still strong in places like Georgia. An Obama visit would only stir up more opposition. I agree with Obama's decision to stay out.
Whatever the outcome of the Senate race tomorrow, it is good to see the GOP in GA beginning to fracture into several unhappy constituent groups. Saxby may be able to hold them together this year, but his 49% two weeks ago was less than impressive for a Georgia Republican. There were inroads apparent in that race that Democrats should take note of. A sharp Democrat in GA can knock out Isakson in 2010, with any luck. (Who? Johnny Isakson. The majority of Georgians couldn't pick him out of a lineup, but, yes, he's their Senator.) Chambliss would be no great loss for the United States Senate. I hope my native state does the right thing tomorrow
Just wanted to let everyone know that tonight I was called by a combination of Martin/Obama/Independent groups all reminding me to get out and vote tomorrow! I could even hear MANY MANY people in the background working out of a volunteer call center somewhere. Glad to know that the ground operation is hitting the ground running.
Also, tomorrow could you give any kind of comment on the Public Service Commission race. It has been getting an unusual amount of attention because of SOS Karen Handel attempting to remove the Democrat from the ballot. Thanks.
-POLS Student at UGA, former student of Josh Putnam.
"At the human level, there is almost a wistful, gravitational pull for many of these organizers in returning to a race. To work on the Obama campaign, these folks had to disconnect from their previous lives. Friendships, relationships, and other plans all took a backseat to the single-minded mission to elect Barack Obama. Plugging back into the world, especially when job plans for most of these twenty-somethings are uncertain, is a difficult task. While the pride is evident, conversations with many of these organizers reveals a strange sense of feeling lost, untethered from an all-consuming routine. So when organizers hear other organizers are coming to Georgia, it's a form of therapeutic reunion for many, much like a reunion of military veterans. Unless you've been through it, it's hard to explain."
Sean Quinn, you are a poet who somehow knows how to articulate my every thought and emotion.
I hate to sound completely pathetic, but I actually used "I volunteered for Obama" as a pick up line today. Does this make me sleazy?
y'all seem to forget that there are a lot of guns and haters in Georgia. I think Obama is wise to stay away.
@Observer
Thanks for mentioning all the evil Bush legerdemain. Came across this: play and get the list at the same time:
http://www.sendbushpacking.com/
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