11.24.2008

Illinois: Let the People Decide

Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich will soon have the honor of selecting a replacement for Barack Obama, who has resigned his position in the Senate in order to accept his promotion to the Oval Office.

There is not much consensus about just whom Blagojevich will appoint; names as wide-ranging as Obama advisor Valerie Jarrett and Blagojevich himself have been subjects of (wild) speculation. But there are two fundamental directions that Blagojevich could go with his decision.

The first would be to select from any among a number of relatively talented and relatively young Illinois Democrats, a list that would include (but not be limited to) US Representatives Jesse Jackson Jr., Jan Schakowsky, and Luis Gutierrez, Illinois Director of Veteran Affairs Tammy Duckworth, Illinois State Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias, and Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan. All of these candidates have some star power: the Madigan and Jackson surnames are powerful in Illinois politics (and in Jackson's case, pretty much everywhere else). Duckworth is a war hero. Schakowsky and Gutierrez are telegenic, and favorites of the netroots. Giannoulias is regarded as something of a savant among Illinois political insiders and would join Olympia Snowe as the only Greek-American senators.

But also, each candidate carries some risks. It's doubtful that any candidate but Jackson had greater than 60 percent name recognition statewide -- and his last name, in certain circles, is a liability rather than an asset. Only Giannoulias and Madigan have been elected to statewide office, and while they have largely managed to keep their hands clean of Blagojevich's scandal-prone administration, 'Springfield' is a far dirtier word than 'Washington' to most Illinoisans. Duckworth has never been elected to anything. Gutierrez, very popular in the mix of Latino and young professional neighbohoods that make up IL-4, would need to find greater range to appeal to voters downstate and in the suburbs. Schakowsky, likewise, is among the most liberal members of the House (she was one of 26 Congresspeople to co-sponsor articles of impechment against Dick Cheney), perhaps creating wiggle room for a moderate Republican to run against her. And since this is Illinois, we can never be quite certain just who has which skeletons in their closet.

Blagojevich's other direction would be to appoint a seat-warmer, most likely State Senate president Emil Jones, who was thought to be contemplating retirement. Jones could then bow out gracefully in 2010, allowing the Democrats to contest the seat in the primary. I would suggest that this is the wiser course of action.

For one thing, if Blajoevich were to appoint one of the half-dozen rising stars, that person would almost certainly be in a dominant position to become the Democratic nominee in 2010, having had a two-year head start on fundraising and building institutional support. This is particularly the case given that just one of the six candidates is a white male (and none of the six are WASPs); it would create a political firestorm to try and primary out a Jackson or a Duckworth, even if they ultimately were not the strongest candidate.

In a redder state, where Democrats simply had to take their best shot, nudging the electorate in the direction of one candidate might be an advantage. But in Illinois, which Democrats are favored to hold regardless of their nominee, somewhat more risk-averse behavior is called for. The way Democrats lose this seat is if they pick a nominee who (i) has some heretofore-unknown scandal or, (2) just doesn't have the political acumen to click at the statewide level, particularly on his or her first try and a high-profile position as US Senator.

The best way to prevent these things would be to appoint a placeholder like Jones and then let the younger candidates battle it out on a level playing field in the primaries. If there's nothing else we learned from the Presidential race this year, it's that there's no better way to vet, challenge and season candidates than vigorously-contested primary.

108 comments

Josh said...

Tammy Duckworth lost her legs in Iraq. If someone can show me how that makes her Senate material, then great. But she lost her House bid because she has no political chops, save for being a crippled vet, and now she's potentially our next Senator.

Truly, the Democrats want to give back all they've gained. Since when does losing one's legs instantly qualify one to go to the US Senate? This is just crazy. Yet, all we're hearing lately is Duckworth, Duckworth, Duckworth. Sanity would be nice.

DaBunny said...

Jones epitomizes much of what's wrong with Illinois politics. I'm not sure putting him in the Senate is as "safe" a move as you say. I think it'd come across as politically tone-deaf. That's no problem for Blagojevich, who is going down anyway. But Jones is also known as Obama's "mentor."

Illinois politics is pretty ugly. Bringing up Obama's associations with it wouldn't be doing him any favors.

thene said...

And what if he picked a seat-warmer who then declined to retire?

Larry Becker said...

I disagree (respectfully) Nate. The problem with appointing a placeholder like Jones is that Illinois will have a lame duck senator for 2 years (won't be treated as an equal in the Senate) who won't have any shot of accruing seniority in an institution where seniority matters a great deal (see Stevens, Ted).

It is true that Blagojevich has a difficult choice on his hands but he should make a real choice and give someone the leg up you suggest shouldn't be given. Many believe Duckworth will end up with a post in the Obama Administration so she may be out of the running anyway. I think Schakowsky would be reasonably non-controversial as a pick but any of those you list would do.

Kurt said...

Given JJ Jr's status in the Appropriations Committee it's doubtful he'll be picked -- even though it's clear he wants it. Lisa Madigan doesn't want it. She's going to be running for governor. Duckworth is a real possibility, after all it's clear that Obama likes her.

Personally, I think Blago is going to pick a seat warmer but it's doubtful he'll pick Emil Jones. My guess is that Blago wants to get a 2 for the price of 1 deal here so he's going to pick Jesse White the 74 year old Illinois Secretary of State. This would satisfy those who want the pick to be black and would also give Jesse, an honest and popular guy, a federal pension. Then Blago, who has few friends these days, can appoint another Secretary of State. After this they can allow someone younger to win the Senate seat organically.

Dog Knows said...

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OK Nate (Silver)…

This is in your neighborhood.

The list of individuals you provided all seem to meet the marketability standards.

Now … How’s about the primary needs of the people they’d represent. Like maybe a list of each individuals past accomplishment in legislative affairs and what that would bring to the national table.

~D_K~
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Scarce said...

Interestingly, all of those named above spoke at the Democratic National Convention in Denver. Jackson had the most prominent speech, but Schakowsky and Duckworth also got some tv time.

syr93 said...

Turnout rose Friday to 49 thousand votes cast in early voting in the Georgia Senate election. However, African-American turnout is staying at less than 25% of the voters. We will see what happens this week

syr93 said...

My guess is that Chambliss will win by 11%

Bridge said...

It's funny that you mention that Olympia is the only Greek in the Senate and that might be a reason to consider Giannoulias. However, I'd like to point a rather glaring absence that has occurred in the Senate with Obama's resignation: there is no longer an African American serving in the US Senate -- again. I don't think that one's race or ethnicity should be considered as criteria, but I would like to see a person replace Obama who is both as a qualified and African-American, because I think that that's an important representation.

JF Isher said...

I think he'll pick Jackson.

He stayed on message when his father didn't and was very helpful to barack. I doubt barack has held back his (private) opinion on the matter.

livemild said...

im tired of old name politics-kennedy, bush, clinton, cuomo,jackson

get someone new IL>


btw coleman seems to be ppicking up quite a few more votes in hennepin and st louis . werent those supposed to be places franken picked up votes? now at 186 coleman

nikdahl said...

Great, now can we please see some projections from the Georgia runoff?

Jake said...

Emil Jones represents everything wrong with Illinois politics, evidenced by the nepotism displayed when he used his influence to get his son to replace him in the Illinois legislature. I wouldn't be surprised if Blagojevich rewarded Jones' loyalty all these years by appointing him to the Senate, but this is not someone I want representing me. I agree with the placeholder argument, but Jones does not deserve to represent our state.

liberal_defender_of_freedom said...

Is anyone covering the GA elections closely?

Another Mike said...

I also like the placeholder argument. A primary winner is more likely to produce a strong Democratic candidate than a gubernatorial selection. Also, just seems fairer. This same argument applies to Delaware.

sfergus483 said...

I know JJ Jr wants the spot, but not sure why he wants to risk a safe House seat that might lead to a major chairmanship down the line, as well as a clear shot at running for Mayor of Chicago sometime a head.

He could face a real challenger from the GOP who might think he could be vulnerable.

SHew said...

Nate, I read this site for the incredible job you do analyzing and interpreting numerical data from disparate sources and using your knowledge of those sources to come up with simulations that predict the outcome of elections, baseball seasons, whatever. Please resist the temptation to join tha ever-growing herd of pundits who make content-free speeches which are basically water-cooler-level information. You are a unique resource! Stay that way!!

Bob from Illinois said...

Nate:

In an era where bold, decisive politics are going to be necessary to accomplish Obama's agenda in Washington, having too much connection to our Illinois brand of politics will be a libility. Jones (especially), Giannoulias, Jackson, Duckworth, and Madigan are too connected to the local power structure. Schakowsky and Gutierrez strike me as more independent or Illinois politics, and in today's climate, would be more effective choices. I have always liked and respected Gutierrez, but I have been most impressed with Schakowsky (I live in her district). She'd do fine in a statewide battle, name recognition or not.

Keep up the good work, Nate.

fred said...

Emil Jones might be the smart choice, and he might be the prudent choice as Obama likes him.

That said, I still want Duckworth. She deserves a leg up.

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Sarcastic Mike said...

For those unfamiliar with Illinois politics, this decision comes down to two things.

1) What is best politically for Blago?

2) See number 1.


Neither Obama, Daley, or Dick Durbin really have any input here, unless Blago somehow thinks his best play is to try and earn a chit that can be called in later.

This also means that you can throw out the "What's best for the party" calculations as well. I'm a little disappointed in Nate for bringing up that discussion; he should know better by now.

fred said...

Sarcastic Mike-


Hmmmmmm, so you really think that what is best for Blago does NOT include what is best for the party? Although Blago could make a short term calculated decision, that is less likely to help him than a long term calculated decision as he will need to work his way out of prison, and long term political capitol will be more important to him. Who will he want happy when he gets out? The party, or one political operative?

joel said...

Im betting on Jessie JR. He wouldn`t have much trouble winning re-election because most of the vote comes from greater Chicago and he seems like a more reasonanly person than his father.
The seat needs to stay in AA hands so if he doesn`t go for Jr he may pick a caretaker for a couple of years.

fred said...

Bob-

Guttierez is as inside IL poltics as anyone.

Tomos said...

Very interesting analysis, as always. However, what I really want to ask is: when are you planning to take all the projection data for the presidential election down? It seems pointless and confusing to have it all there when we know the actual result now. After the electors meet on the 15th?

fred said...

Joel-

Clearly not from IL or have never lived there.

The Repub burbs and downstate count for more votes than the city, and the 'burbs are the only growing region in IL. Jesse does poorly downstate and in the 'burbs and is thus FAR froma shoe in.

Don't ofrget, Obama ran against Alan Keyes for Senate, and Keyes was so incredibly bad as to create no opposition for Obama.

Obama ran essentially unopposed.

http://www.uic.edu/depts/pols/ChicagoPolitics/Green2006ILelectionAnalysis.pdf

nrn312 said...

Jesse White already said that he doesn't want it.

fred said...

Jesse White would be trrible. Everyone here knows he got elected based on his name recognition from a gymnastics group - the Jesse White Tumbler's - right?

Jesse White would get killed in DC. I was talking Jesse Jr.

Gus said...

You definitely hit on something at the end there that nobody really ever talks about: how Hillary staying in the race probably did help Obama in the end.

chgoblue said...

Fred,

To an extent, you are correct. However, the suburbs have been trending bluer and bluer for some time now so it is a stretch to refer to them as "repub" burbs, although there are still some of those.

My only concern, as a IL resident is that Blago does NOT appoint himself as he is a complete embarassment. I would like JJ jr or Jan Schawosky

Cat said...

Given the quality of decision-making that Blagojevich has demonstrated in the last year or so, I imagine that his choice will manage to infuriate *everyone*. And then, of course, he'll be indicted.

Also, what's up with Mule Rider? Nate, are you in some kind of "pistols at dawn" situation here? Who knew the blogosphere was so weirdly fraught with peril?

freelunch said...

Michael Madigan.

Sure, he doesn't want it. Sure, Blago wouldn't do it because he likes him, but Madigan would either have to accept -- handing Springfield to Blago or publicly reject it.

Diane said...

I'm from Illinois....PLEASE PLEASE not Emil Jones! What a hack! He's part of the Blagojevich coalition that has made us unable to agree on a budget, among other critical issues. If a caretaker is needed, there has to be someone else.

And Republicans could regain power in statewide races if they become more moderate, so don't write them off. Their mistake so far in recent years has been to think they're not conservative enough. Sooner or later they are going to figure it out.

Kennyb said...

What's best for Blago is to do what the man who will be President for the next 4-8 years wants him to do. I would think that is pretty obvious.

I mean, what is the clearest path for Blago to a respectable exit from the corner office other than a non-descript federal appointment?

MO Planner said...

What about Pat Quinn? There's no love lost there but it would move a Blago rival out of Springfield.... Pat would make a good Senator and he has good name recognition for 2010.

fred said...

Chiblue-


The repub burbs trended bluer when the country trended bluer, they will trend redder if the Obama administration does not turn this economy, or acts with an extrme liberal agenda. I don't think they will ,but...

Jesse Jr. is better off becoming a powerful Chairman in the House in a few years froma very safe seat.

fred said...

Pat Quinn has zero clout with just about anyone. Ain't know way he can get picked, although he is a bright guy with new ideas.

optimo said...

Nate, good analysis but I believe you're missing one key point here. Blago is one arrogant $#!+head. He may have completely different criteria of a good Senate choice than those of us living in the reality-based community. So I wouldn't be shocked at all to see a pick that makes no sense whatsoever.

In fact, the best two-year placeholder would be if Blago picked himself. He'd get absolutely demolished in the Democratic primary - think Frank Murkowski '06 in Alaska.

MO Planner said...

fred - party clout? state wide clout?

Seems like he would be "heir apparent" for the Gov's office since Rod is doing such a bang up job which is reason enough for Blago to try to get him out of his next primary. As you noted, Pat would bring some interesting, pragmatic ideas to the table which could resonate well in the Senate and with IL voters.

Sarcastic Mike said...

Fred -

It is possible that what is best for Blago and what is best for Democrats might overlap in a particular candidate.

But if he goes to jail, having the well-wishes of one big rainmaker will be a lot more useful then the general well-wishes of a party who will try to avoid his stinking corpse.

Besides, as you probably already know, there is only one party in Springfield called "The Combine". So even if your thesis held, it would be "what's best for The Combine", not "what's best for the Dems".

I like Duckworth simply because I view her as the most untainted and least unbeholden candidate.

Political Outsider said...

If Blagojevich should appoint an African-American seatwarmer, what about Rev. Jesse Jackson Senior?

Daniel said...

Nate - Is your advice any different for Governor Paterson, when he has to decide who to appoint to replace Hillary Clinton?

Redshift said...

Also, what's up with Mule Rider? Nate, are you in some kind of "pistols at dawn" situation here? Who knew the blogosphere was so weirdly fraught with peril?

Nate is a successful blogger who has earned a sterling reputation and a major book deal through smarts and hard work.

Mule Rider is a twit with a massively inflated ego, who seems to believe that because he's been enough of an ass to get banned from comments several times that he's somehow earned the right to make demands of Nate, and complain when he's ignored.

It's kind of sad, really. Unlike some some idiots we've had around here, Mule Rider is actually capable of intelligent conversation on the rare occasions when he steps outside his "Mule Rider the Insult Comic Troll" schtick.

Elliot Tarabour said...

Blago should appoint Fitzgerald (the U. S. Attorney not the former senator)

That would at least slow down progress towards the indictment that is headed his way.

e.

Mac Zilber said...

"You are just shameful, Nate. Shameful.

I'm waiting for our head-to-head. Debate? Poker? Whatever you want.

You've been running from me for months now. Running scared."

I find it hilarious how this guy Mule Rider alternates between making an attempt to look like an intellectual and making baseless ad hominem attacks.

Kennyb said...

FYI, there is a good summary on the outstanding house races at electoral-vote.com:

"Other Races
The Virginia secretary of the commonwealth will certify the results in House district VA-05 today. Currently, Democrat Tom Perriello is leading Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA) by 745 votes. After certification, Goode will ask for a recount. However, with such a large gap, it is unlikely to save him. Perriello had some bad news and some good news last week. The bad news is that since he hasn't won yet, he wasn't allowed to take part in the office sweepstakes that the other freshmen entered. He had visions of being stuck in a broom closet somewhere in the House basement. The good news is that if he does win, an occupied office will become free--Goode's--and Perriello will get that one. Goode is a six-term congressman and has a much nicer office than any of the freshmen will get.

In CA-04, Tom McClintock (R) has declared victory over Charlie Brown (D) on the basis of his current lead of 1566 votes. This number gives McClintock a lead of 0.6%, which if it holds, will mean there is no recount and McClintock will win.

In OH-15, Mary Jo Kilroy (D) got some good news. Federal judge Algernon Marbley has ruled that 27,000 uncounted ballots in Franklin County must be counted. Since this county is Kilroy's home base (she is a county commissioner there), she may well pick up the 479 votes she needs to catch up to Steve Stivers (R), who is currently ahead. If Perriello and Kilroy win, the Democrats will have at least 257 seats in the House.

The other two undecided House races are in Louisiana and will be decided by runoffs in December."

Rich Rifkin said...

Blago should pick batsh*t crazy Alan Keyes. That would mean Keyes would again be the Republican nominee in 2010, and that would guarantee that whoever won the Democratic nomination would win the seat for the following 6 years. Plus, it will be fun to watch Keyes give his rambling, psychotic, Dr. Gene Scott-esque speeches on the Senate floor, particularly so while he's putting Robert Byrd to sleep in the background.

"Billie! My dog Billie!"

spmancuso said...

What about Carol Moseley Braun? I know there were a couple of issues with her before, but she always impressed me as a smart, effective Senator.

Frankie said...

Most of this seems right on to me, except for the part about Lisa Madigan being tarred with the "Springfield = dirty word" brush. She has an incredibly strong reputation as a reformer who's not afraid to take on anybody. The Governor's mansion is hers if she wants it in 2010. I think appointing her would be Blago's best move - it takes his biggest rival out of the Governor's race.

And Jan Schakowsky is my congresswoman. Much as I like her, I don't think she can win a statewide race - she has a huge skeleton in her husband, who's a convicted felon, for mismanaging the funds of the nonprofit he ran, and which she worked for.

As for whoever said that Duckworth hasn't done anything and that she lost the race she ran, that's true, but she was running for Henry Hyde's seat, i.e. one of the most Republican districts in the country, and she made it very close.

Kennyb said...

And a more intriguing title, but less interesting story from the Washington Post:

Pollsters Debate America's Political Realignment

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/22/AR2008112202120.html

WV: Recest. When the still Democratic 2010 Congress leaves Washington in October 2012, instead of holding votes on wedge issues like gay marriage, gun control or abortion. Etymology = recessed + incest.

judas_priest said...

I wouldn't worry about any appointee's name ID. The appointment itself plus the opportunities to be in the public eye that the appointment confers would take care of that quite well.

wv=nonskint

not yet ready for the taxidermist

Brendan said...

I'm from the same district as Bob (IL-9), which also happens to be Schakowsky's district. I think she'd be the ideal pick, because she's the only name coming up in conversation who has any realistic shot of retaining the seat in 2010. Jackson, if he holds on a few years, will be the mayor of Chicago; Lisa Madigan is probably going to be the next governor; Tammy Duckworth could be a beltway insider for a long time, although as has been said already, she doesn't have the political chops for elected office. That leaves Schakowsky and Gutierrez. Guitierrez is incredibly popular in Pilsen, but not really anywhere else, and while he's politically to the right of Schakowsky, he's more of a fire-brand liberal than she is. Schakowsky is a wacky-lib, but she comes off as smart and pragmatic -- like Obama, only a liberal with progressive bona fides. She'd be perfect. I hope Blago makes the right decision. I have no doubt, however, that he'll find some way to screw it up.

Rhonlynn said...

Whoever they choose I hope the count is quicker for an Illinois senator than the count for the Presidential campaign in the state of Missouri.

Mike said...

That was a fun post. Nice to have a breather from the do-or-die mania of election season, even if the madness isn't quite over yet.

I cast my lot for more of this sort of idle but informed analysis as 538 dives into the next two years. I can go to Kos or TPM to get my blood up over the issues themselves.

Mike said...

A quick addendum:

When are you going to dive into the speculation over the next junior senator from the state of New York? I know you already flirted with the subject, but I'm ready for some earnest handicapping.

The downstate echo chamber is high on Nita Lowey, who's my Rep. People who claim to be in the know are talking about upstate minorities. I blathered about this on Kos a while back, but I have no sources or methods.

Game on.

sfergus483 said...

Schakowsky has something of a problem in that her husband was recently released from a prison term.

And to say she is the only one who would easily win in 2010 is as silly as saying any Dem would easily win - the truth is somewhere in between.

Who are the Repubs talking about for Gov and Sen in 2010? Anyone of note? Another self-financed candidate?

Maybe with the precedent of Alan Keyes, Sarah Palin should relocate there and run.

Christopher said...

"That said, I still want Duckworth. She deserves a leg up."

Ugh, awful.

You need to walk in other people's shoes man.

I like Nate's idea, but I'm not sure Jones is the right pick. Go outsider. Are there old outsiders?

Douglas said...

Mule Rider, it's good to see you back!

I hope you've recovered fully from your accident and are ready for the prime time:

http://crittendenpress.blogspot.com/2008/09/mule-rider-dies.html

mknezo said...

I like the placeholder idea from a democratic (intentional lc) point of view. I'm not sure, though, that there will not be a spirited primary campaign regardless of Blogo's choice.

But it really should not be Emil Jones under any circumstances. Alliances with likes of Jones were probably a necessary deal with the devil Obama had to make, and he managed them well. But don't put Emil in D.C. He'll likely embarrass Obama somehow. I know he'll embarrass Illinois.

sfergus483 said...

One reason to name a possible long-term Senator here is that if someone is named soon, he/she would gain senorioty over at least 9 other new Dems, which some years down the line could make a huge difference for the state.

Dan_L said...

Appointing Emil Jones to fill the Obama slot would be a total disgrace. Jones has been an highly partisan, self-serving embarrassment to the State of Illinois (just as bad as his counterpart in the Illinois House, Michael Madigan) who will only embarrass all of us if appointed to the U.S. Senate. The U.S. Senate is way out of Jones' league. Suggesting that the Guv appoint a lightweight such as Jones as a placeholder is naive at best, totally irresponsible at worst. Jones would bring nothing but shame upon us all.

The Guv should strive to appoint a clean, progressive to finish Obama's term. Cook County Clerk David Orr fits the bill. He's probably the cleanest elected official in Illinois history and was Harold Washington's favorite alderman. He's long been a progressive politically and one of the few elected officials to really understand the nation's ongoing crisis in affordable housing. He would do Illinois proud..

sfergus483 said...

Ted Kaufman, Biden's Senate chief of staff, has been named as his replacement. Early betting is that he is a place-holder for Beau Biden 2 years down the line.

Ryan said...

2 words: Abner Mikva.

He'd be spectacular and would step aside for a Senate candidate to come from the Dem primary.

sfergus483 said...

If it wasn't clear, Ted Kaufman has been named Senator from Delaware - see lead story at Dailykos

JMNorris said...

@Rich Rifkin
Blago should pick batsh*t crazy Alan Keyes.

Brilliant. Won't happen, of course, but brilliant.

PS. Couldn't Madigan find a better photo of herself for the front page of http://www.lisamadigan.org/?

sfergus483 said...

Notice that Mule Rider's compadre Right Wing Coward has disappeared since an hour before the market closed Friday?

He's been droning about Obama = stock market collapse nonstop. But the moment Obama makes moves, the market starts rising - almost 900 points in two days.

Now the cause and effect relationship between Obama and the DJ will vary, but the cause and effect of RWC's disappearance and this short-term correlation is pretty obvious.


Like I said, Right Wing Coward...

beamman said...

Ok, forgive my being COMPLETELY off-topic, but I just read the single (unintentionally) funny thing in the entire year of politics.

In the CNN tracker today, there is an article about an ad running currently in Alaska, but soon to run nationwide, lauding Sarah Palin. The best part was the following statement from one of the main backers:

""Governor Palin inspired millions of Americans by fighting for common sense conservative principles in a positive and uplifting manner," chief strategist Sal Russo said in a statement"

HAH!!!! I came damn close to rolling on the floor laughing... for real!

Here is the link (I hope):

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/24/pro-palin-ads-thank-you-ads-hit-the-airwaves/#comments

markymark said...

Would Blagojevich be a likely runner if he went the placeholder route? Would he stand an earthly?

I think that giving an elder statesman like Emil Jones the elevated position of Senator sounds fair enough, and then let the potentials run in a primary in 2010 sounds like the most sensible plan. Allows Jones a proud end to a career and rewards hiim for mentoring President Obama in the Illinois State Senate.

Vicki Rosenzweig said...

On the New York seat: Friday, I think, the NY Times was saying that Patterson wanted someone who was, ideally, female, Hispanic, and from upstate, but that he was unlikely to find a qualified candidate who was all three. This morning, they're talking about Andrew Cuomo, another white guy from downstate.

The other problem with Cuomo is that if he becomes a senator, or otherwise resigns as Attorney General, the state legislature has to pick a replacement. They replaced the comptroller two years ago, and it was drawn-out and the governor (Spitzer at the time, remember him?) was not pleased with them picking one of their own, though he seems to be doing a decent job.

[For non-New Yorkers: Schumer is from New York City. Governor Patterson is from New York City. The comptroller is from Long Island. The majority leader of the state assembly is from NYC. Current senate leader is from the Island, and the guy who looks likely to replace him is also from downstate.]

markymark said...

NY is another place where a placeholder might be a good idea asctually. Mainly because Clinton's seat would be up for grabs in both 2010 (special election to fill seat for last 2 years of Clinton's term) and 2012. In those circumstances it may well be best to test the person you put in there electorally.

dsalkovi said...

"We worship Mule Rider."

Then, as previously proven, you worship a coward to the core. Game. Set. Match.

Berkeley Bear in Illinois said...

Nate's Chicago elitism is showing. Having lived in both the Chicago burbs and Springfield in the last 2 years, I'd say "state politics" is the dirtiest word, followed closely by "Chicago politics," with "Springfield" used only by those who haven't paid attention to the systematic dismantling of its power structure under Gov. Rod. The reality is that Springfield has almost no pull in actually deciding what happens in this state, which right now is ruled by 3 guys (Jones, Blago and Mike Madigan) who represent different factions of the Chicago population center, are physically based there, and don't trust each other as far as they can spit (although Jones has had a marriage of convenience to Blago in opposition to Madigan for the last few terms). Jackson and Madigan also draw their support from those areas, like almost everyone on the short list.

I'd like to see a placeholder, just to see if anyone on that list will work to become a senator for all of Illinois. Durbin styles himself a pure downstater, but I don't think the state is well served by having a Senator who only represents the interests of one part of the state. What Obama did incredibly well even before Ryan's marital issues forced him off the ballot (and brought the gift of Alan Keyes) was invest time in downstate Illinois reassuring people he was with them. I'm not sure a sitting senator focused on building a war chest and national reputation would have the ability to do that the way a primary candidate would.

Oh, yeah, Alexi is viewed as having been tapped by the powers that be (incl. Obama and Emanuel) for greatness, so while people don't talk about him as much, he is a real darkhorse threat.

wv - facend, esperanto for nose (where the face ends)

Ed in NJ said...

I'm going to put on my old therapist's hat and try to diagnose our resident egomaniac, Mule Rider.

Based on your posts, I would guess that you are bipolar, as evidenced by the rapid cycling between relatively well-articulated conservative dogma and gutter-level ad hominem attacks. You are probably struggling with titrating your meds. When successful, they probably stabilize you enough so that you are no longer a danger to yourself or your family, but since you most likely have secondary antisocial and narcissistic personality disorders, there really isn't much more that can be done to get you back in the workforce. So you sit at your computer all day posting comments on Five Thirty Eight, where being a contrarian and the resident "intellectual" conservative provides the social interaction and attention you cannot get elsewhere. The irony here is that your inability to work and support yourself creates the self-loathing that drives you to reject the liberalism that is your lifeline.

If I am off on this, feel free to post your name, occupation and/or verifiable credentials to "debate" Nate. Otherwise, you are just a pimple on his ass, and not worthy of acknowledgement, just like the rest of us here. If you want to play with the big boys, you have to come out from behind a screen name.

Berkeley Bear in Illinois said...

While I like the idea of a placeholder, Jones would be a bad choice. Mainly because he is a terrible fit for the US Senate (he's always been a power broker type, not a guy who goes to committee meetings and gets wonkish with bills - there's a reason Obama called him his "godfather") but also because it would be such a blatant reward by Blago that it could hurt Dems even more than his deranged actions have already.

bobnsj said...

Off Topic
Georgia Senate Poll from Public Policy Polling today:
Chamblis 52%
Martin 46%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Georgia_11241.pdf

Mrs B said...

mule rider is NOT bipolar. There are two of him - good twin and bad twin. Sometimes bad mule rider escapes from the hall closet and makes it down to the basement while the good mule rider has gone to change his pyjamas. Then for a few minutes bad mule rider gets control of the keyboard.

In challenging Nate bad mule rider has no idea how outclassed he is. All Nate has to do is ask him to define heteroskedasity and mule rider will have to crawl away to lick his wounds.

hill.tops said...

heteroskedasity?

In what respect, Charlie??

Mrs B said...

hill.tops
I can't tell you that - it would give mule rider the edge!

Mrs B said...

oops, spelling.
wow, maybe mule rider WOULD provide Nate with a decent fight....


PS I most definitely DID NOT do any form of maths in grad school, but 12th century English - not much use in looking at stochastic projections (if there are such things, which I doubt).

leo21 said...

Why on earth should we give Emil Jones access to another pension? In addition, I'm more scared of the skeletons in his closet more than any of the other candidates. If the Republicans in this state have really gotten their act together, it won't matter if they are running for an open seat or against a two year incumbent for the seat as I think many of us are ready for their voice to be heard again. I am sick of this seat turning over and would rather have someone who can retain it get a shot at it right now.

bobnsj said...

Why on earth should we give Emil Jones access to another pension?

It takes 5 years of service in Congress to be vested in the pension system. He can't get one as a 2 year caretaker.

x said...

I still think Blagojevich appoints himself as the placeholder - it's the only way he makes it back to Washington - he ends up with better lobbying $$$.

bull arpaio said...
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bull arpaio said...

How about Bill Ayers just to see heads AND balls explode?

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Ed M. said...

For those unfamiliar with Illinois politics, this decision comes down to two things.

1) What is best politically for Blago?

2) See number 1.


If you think Hot Rod is going to anything other than what Obama tells him to do yer nuts. That's not how it works.

Berkeley Bear in Illinois said...

Ed, if you think Rod gives two whits what Obama thinks of him, you don't know how Rod works. He could not care what the Dems think of him nationally, either. The only reason he'd listen to Obama is if he's angling to be pardoned in 7 and 1/2 years, after his near inevitable conviction in the next phase of the Rezko investigation.

BTW, the biggest single reason the Rezko mess happened? Because dear Blago thought it would be great to be able take $50,000 donations from individuals to build up a state war chest to help him run for President, and help the folks giving him that cash any way he could. Rezko was the middleman on that and a bunch of other deals. Even by Al Capone standards, they were blatant about the quid pro quo. Fortunately for us all, Obama wasn't considered important enough by Rezko to get completely slimed by him, and Blago didn't want any competition for his big donors.

Matt said...

If he values his career, Blagojevich won't appoint himself. Governors who appoint themselves to the Senate generally lose reelection, and Blagojevich's ethical problems & unpopularity won't help.

Although he hates her guts, Blagojevich might appoint Madigan to keep her from challenging him in the 2010 gubernatorial primary-if she becomes a Senator, Madigan will likely pass on the gubernatorial primary, choosing an easy reelection over a difficult primary-despite his unpopularity, Blago will be hard to bring down, especially if Madigan & Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn split the anti-Blago vote.

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And to say she is the only one who would easily win in 2010 is as silly as saying any Dem would easily win - the truth is somewhere in between.

Don't think so. You think anybody south of I-55 in a place not called East St. Louis is gonna vote for Jackson? Or Gutierrez, for that matter? I hate to break it down on racial lines, but that's the way it is. We're not talking about an even-headed, pragmatic centrist like Obama (who had the double fortune of taking on a nutbag like Alan Keyes), or even a brilliant and decisive leader like Carol Mosley Braun was seen to be. Jackson, I believe, is such a leader, but he carries with him his father's legacy, which is great for where he lives but not so good the closer he'd get to Kentucky. Gutierrez doesn't have the daddy problem, but he's the fire-breathing liberal that Robert Wexler fancies himself as -- and while I agreed with his support for the Day Without Immigrants protest, don't think that wouldn't come back to haunt him in a Senate race, especially with downstate voters.

Now, as far as saying the truth is somewhere in between any Democrat winning handily or that Schakowsky is the only one who could win, I heartily disagree (and please remember, I'm speaking only of those who have been mentioned as possible successors). The Illinois GOP is in shambles. Who in the Republican Party is going to take on Schakowsky and win? Frank Watson has little name recognition outside of Springfield and is probably worse-known than Schakowsky (for better or for worse); if she became Senator, she'd have the leg up. Mark Kirk could woo some of the conservative Democrats around Chicago against a liberal like Schakowsky, but he's not nearly conservative enough for the downstate folk. Rosemary Mulligan would make for an interesting matchup, but like Watson, she suffers from a lack of name recognition outside her district.

Look, there is a reason the Illinois GOP bailed on Jack Ryan four years ago (ensuring Obama's win) and inserted an idiot like Alan Keyes: They have no idea what they're doing. Ryan may have been able to give Obama a run for his money; unfortunately, we'll never know one way or the other. But the downstate conservative faction bailed because Ryan liked to get dirty with his ex-wife while they were still married. They aren't going to give a smart, pragmatic, well-spoken white lady any kind of trouble in two years. They could, however, exploit the saddening racial divide that still exists in this state. I'm not saying Jackson or Gutierrez couldn't win; I am saying that neither is as safe a bet. And so far as Jackson is concerned, it makes little sense for him to give up his spot in the House, since he can stay there forever if he wants, or use it as a springboard to da Mare's office two seconds after Daley announces his retirement.

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ILLINOIS RESIDENT: I WANT TO MAKE MY CHOICE

Nate Silver and a blogger named Jake are 100 percent correct.

I've been writing columns in recent weeks about how undemocratic it would be appoint someone ambitious who would have an unfair advantage in a primary. Shame on those who want a political fix.

Illinois has an ANTIDEMOCRATIC TRADITION of Daddys fixing elections for their children. Bill Lipinski, John Stroger, and Emil Jones have won primaries and withdrew their names from the general election ballot in August at the last possible second while powerbrokers appointed Junior to be the nominee WITHOUT AN ELECTION.

When there was an election, look who we picked -- Barack Obama in a very strong field of seven or eight Dems. And the GOP picked someone very strong, Jack Ryan, although party leaders with CONTEMPT FOR DEMOCRACT forced him to withdraw due to the dumbest "scandal" of all time -- trying to avoid a divorce, Ryan suggested to his then wife that making love in a club might spice up their marriage (NOTHING happened; Judy Topinka is a moron).

AS AN AMERICAN, I WANT A DAMN ELECTION, NOT ANOTHER CORONATION.

And Jake is right that Emil Jones should not be the placeholder. I suggest someone who is as old as Jones -- Roland Burris or Jesse White perhaps -- if they pledge not to seek election.

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zwrite said...

IN ILLINOIS, WE'VE MOVED PAST BLAGO

Mstt: "Blago will be hard to bring down, especially if Madigan & Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn split the anti-Blago vote."

Wow, there's delusional for you. The "anti-Blago vote" is ALMOST EVERYONE. The pro-Blago is ALMOST NO ONE.

Blago has an approval rating of about 10 percent. He couldn't beat his mail carrier or the person who picks up his garbage. And he's accomplished nothing in his second term.

By the way, another reason to appoint a placeholder is that Republican Mark Kirk can beat a weak Dem and a vigorous campaign is needed to produce the best candidate (ex.--Obama).

Shalom,
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Kuz said...

I think Blago should pick Dan Seals, who lost a five-point race to Mark Kirk in IL-10. Seals is young, talented, and not beholden to the Combine. Plus, he hasn't publicly criticized the governor, which puts him in VERY small company in Illinois.

PorridgeGun said...

JJJ or Lisa Madigan for me. The rest aren't fit to fill Obama's vacated seat, especially Tammy Duckworth, who isn't fit to win ANY race.

PorridgeGun said...

Oh, and Beau Biden for Deleware, and Andrew Cuomo or Eliot Spitzer for NY.

Robby said...

Mule Rider/Dirty Harry

http://www.google.com/trends?q=mule+rider%2C+nate+silver%2C+fivethirtyeight&ctab=0&geo=all&date=mtd&sort=1

Have a nice night.

Dan_L said...

Gotta agree. Abner Mikva would be an incredibly good choice. Our former Congressman probably would have been appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court were it not for the Republicans in the Senate and dearth of appointments for Bill Clinton to make. Mikva served as one of the most independent and intelligent Congressmen in our nation's history. It would be incredibly fitting to give him two years in the U.S. Senate where he'll follow proudly in the path pioneered by the late Senators Paul Simon and Paul Douglas.

What a great idea!

Ryland Q. Shaughnessy said...

1. ZWrite's definition of Jack Ryan's "suggestion" of "making love in a club" sounds like a pretty DuPage County/Lake County/downstate definition of the situation. It wasn't "suggested" that they "make love in a club," be brought her to swingers' bars, sex clubs, and dungeons, for the purpose of swinging and voyeurism.

2. Madigan's the strongest choice to win in 2010, hands-down, but she won't get the nod. She's already won statewide, she won't be hurt by association with Democratic Blago because she's the anti-Blago, and maybe she'll even go for governor if things get rough enough. Who knows.

Ryland Q. Shaughnessy said...

(*he brought...)

yudro said...

Blagoevich needs to appoint, whoever Obama tells him to appoint, or he is going to jail. Now, that's Illinois politics. So, who does Obama want?

goethean said...

Duckworth is tied most closely to Rahm Emmanuel and Dick Durbin (they got her to run and funded her primary campaign against Christine Cegelis).

The fact made above, that Duckworth got 49.7% of the vote in the ultra-conservative 6th district is a good point.

goethean said...

....especially considering how poorly Morganthaker did this year against Roskam, even with Obama's coat-tails --- Obama won DuPage County, and yet Morganthaler lost the 6th by 16 points!

goethean said...

Sorry...48.7%, not 49.7%.

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