This is an example of our set-up for tonight. I'm going to be categorizing the states into five categories as we progress through the evening:
Called -- states actually called by the Associated Press
Safe -- states that look almost completely safe, e.g. a 99.5% probability of victory or higher.
Likely -- somewhere in the 80% certainty range
Lean -- 60-80%
Toss-Up -- No clear favorite
...what we're interested in is when the Called + Safe states total 270 for one or another of the candidates.
I may change the characterization of states at any time for any reason -- if, for instance, we find that Obama is underperforming among Hispanic voters in Texas, that might lead me to change my characterization of New Mexico.
Anyway, you guys should get the basic idea. We're busy here!
11.04.2008
Election Night Thread, 6:00 PM
by Nate Silver @ 5:55 PM...see also election day
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first?
Let's kick this pig!
first
Fifth!
Looking very nice for Obama, though I won't stop being paranoid until he hits 270 called.
Not so first. But I would like to take this upthread opportunity to say to Nate and the team, you guys rule.
Hi ho, Silver!
Bringing my laptop to my union hall so I can further overstimulate myself with your contribution plus tv projector.
a new post? i havent gotten over the fear of virginia exit polls yet...
7th... woo hoo!
OBAMA!!!
Looks great to me, nate!
You rock harder than granite, my man.
Any idea when we might get first data from Indiana?
HO HO HO! Have you children been good this year?
Nate! You're copying my style.. I called Obama 343 to 195 last week.
dang it!!!....lol
I'm lovin' this day!
11th ... and a big woo hoo to you Nate for all the great coverage! Obamanos!
I wonder how long it will take super racist servius to follow us in here
Germany is with you, Nate. :-)
Thank you for the great effort - we're appreciating it very much over here!
FYI-
Nate, you got caught on a screen grab over at Media Matters for America. Apparently, FOX News was showing incorrect poll closing times on the bottom of the screen, while you were being interviewed.
How come your projection in your post of 12:16 PM is 349 EVs for Obama, but now it's down to 311?
Are you libs ready for the MCCAIN LANDSLIDE?!?!?!!?
Nate, This is awesome. Can you move the table to the top of the page in the post so that we can read the table without having to go page down?
As I'm sure many are, I'm anxious to get the numbers rolling. While waiting, I'd like to give two big thumbs up to the fivethirtyeight.com gang. You've done a fabulous job. Whether or not your projevtions end up holding water, your effort has been superb on all fronts. Thank you!!!
BREAKING: Nate Silver to take job with Obama campaign after election...
Developing...
stsparcu
It's interesting that you have IA categorized as safe given that McCain has been campaigning there as of late. I'm not saying that I disagree, but it is an interesting decision.
Will you be doing new projections based on states that have been called?
McCain up in KY with 59% of the vote.
Oh noes!
538 team-
I've been following for months. You do an awesome job. Thanks for giving that heroin-like information for so long.
Everyting points to 10% O margin in PV and a floor of 375 Evs.
NC may be in doubt b/c of weak AA turnout.
OH seems lost to McCain. Lukewarm support from Reagan Dems, Hillary voters came home.
Oh, please, oh, please, oh, please, let the disenfranchisement efforts of the GOP not steal this.
Tom&Maggie said...
How come your projection in your post of 12:16 PM is 349 EVs for Obama, but now it's down to 311?
This is tracking not modeling... the major difference is tossup EVs are not allocated at all here.
Are there any precints reporting in either Indiana or Kentucky yet?
Where do I find exit polls?
A friend shot me a text message at 1:22 this afternoon: "5:38 until we know how it ends."
'Bout says it.
El Oso:
Don't let the racists get you down! Keep up the good fight against those racists. They don't like Obama, and its obvious that they are racist. Stupid racists. All McCain supporters, in truth, are racist.
Am I doing it right?
i love this site as my 15 year old does too. keep up the good work
R_C's watching at 7:00:
In Play states:
Virginia
Indiana
Georgia
Indicators:
South Carolina
Kentucky
at 7:30
In Play:
Ohio
North Carolina
Indicator:
West Virginia
Since I don't expect calls on the In Play states for a while (if ever), I am relying on the indicators, likely states that should be called pretty early. The earlier the call, the better night likely for that candidate. All red states until 8:00....
Cheers,
R_C
wv gleant - isn't that what we are trying to do from the early numbers?
@petekent
Over 50% of the AA voters in NC voted in early voting..if weather was an issue today in that state it is more likely to help Obama than McCain.
THE EXIT POLLS ARE MEANINGLESS.
You STUPID liberal f**ker!!!
Sedi said...
It's interesting that you have IA categorized as safe given that McCain has been campaigning there as of late. I'm not saying that I disagree, but it is an interesting decision.
Hi! Welcome to Earth! Please enjoy your stay.
nice work here nate. your efforts are very much appreciated. will be glued to your magnificent page as i watch the results come in on t.v. tonight.
Who's this hot babe on the "better than pants" ad? She's so HOT!!!
Ooops...I guess we're getting close to wrapping up this election and I already know what I'm going to be focused next. NO WITHDRAWAL BLUES!
If the 2800/2800 number from the guy from Columbia is true this might be an early night.
BTW well done lads on easily the most interesting site of 2008.
I fear no VA exit poll - will wait for returns.
Thank you Nate & Co. for this site.
Best Wishes to all.
Must keep lurking to learn Real Joe secret.
:)
I will [ingust] champagne tonight
Louisville which will be Obama strength and has had strong turnout is not closed yet.
Taking the top issues from exit polls AND how those citing them voted, the early exit polls would be 46-35 Obama. Health care - 9% - has not been broken down - figure it's strong Obama, make it 53-37 lead without getting into the #1 issue of the rest (moral issues likely up there).
These are incomplete exit polls, they could have Dem bias, who knows how well they are catching early votes, blah, blah, blah - but it's hard to see how the horse race #s they have don't show a 10 point Obama edge.
Ok folks, what are some good sites to get some poll updates? Besides this one of course...
I like this presentation of the data/states. It's easy to ready and understand. Thanks, Nate.
Drudge: TOO CLOSE TO CALL AT CLOSE: FL, IN, OH...
MCCAIN KEEPING AZ... DEVELOPING...
Note: He doesn't mention Virginia!
From MSNBC:
"Dozens of polling places are experiencing varying degrees of machine malfunctions. Some polling places are either completely closed or have been closed for hours. Thousands of voters may have been turned away illegally by polling workers. Voters have illegally been issued with provisional ballets where machines have been broken.
...
Voting machine malfunctions are widespread and at least a dozen locations, mainly focused on Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. Election Protection has received reports of campaign materials being illegally distributed at polling locations in Pittsburgh. Voters across the state are reporting that they never received their absentee ballots, which is creating additional chaos at the polls."
GOD DAMN IT!!! This is the sort of shit that could cost us the election. :(
Focused on Philly and Pitt?? FUCK. Why is it always...ALWAYS...the republicans who cheat on voting.
Do we have any stories on the ground here? Where are the lawyers who are helping these people out?
herunar-
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26843704
exit polls
I'll be so happy if you have to move a state from "Safe McCain" to "Called Obama". MS and AK could happen, and AR, TX, and WV may move to "likely" or "lean" at some point.
Getting popcorn now!
A sincere THANK YOU for all your hard work this year!
Let's DO IT
Anyone have exit polls on the number of first time voters? I've seen data that they break 3-1 Obama and if there are a bunch of them it means all the polls are broke.
Anyone know what's going on with Prop 8 or where to check for updates? I wish Nate had run the numbers once again before today.
Also, Nate: you might consider doing a chat at some point?
Listen to the live radio show now, Sean is on right now.
http://airamerica.com/maddow
A report from the trenches:
http://www.djheavyd.com/scratch
Well hello all!
Excitement is palpable over here in Scotland...
countdown begins!!
fiftieth (damnit i'm alaska)
"Hi! Welcome to Earth! Please enjoy your stay."
Wow! That's a bit harsh. McCain makes three campaign stops in IA during the past three weeks, his campaign claims that their polling shows a close race, and I'm on another planet because I remark upon (but do not disagree with) Nate's characterizing it as safe? Whatever.
Nate, apologies if this was asked and answered earlier: Will you be updating the probability of McCain being elected as the night draws on?
If you're too busy to do that, I get it (I also get that the percentage depends on simulations, but some of those conditions are going to be realized, so...)
But I'd like to open the champagne when the percentage hits 0.0.
Colin
You can google CA Sec'y of State for best results
Polls close at 8 pm PT
For all - LA County comes in AFTER nearly everyone (since all ballots are taken to downtown to count) - so if it is close in the early votes, it should lose
Nate Fantastic site. I stumpled across it a couple of months ago and have been addicted ever since. I fully expect that in 2012 election you'll be doing this on tv.
George Bush's one gift to the world. President Obama
Wall to wall coverage of the election today in the UK. Bring it home for Obama. Half 11 at night here and getting ready for a late but enjoyable night.
"his campaign claims that their polling shows a close race"
It's because Nate and the rest of us know his campaign is lying or delusional.
hey Nate
great job as usual.
maybe amend the interface so you show the total as Safe + Called instead of Safe + Projected. More conservative and will give us a single number to fixate on (in between getting stuff done, right?)
Thanks,
m
I am so excited I could . . .
Just like Christmas as a kid!!!!
What say you to this, RWC, PeteKent, Repub et al.?
Your man Drudge has in huge capital letters at the top of his main page:
EXIT POLLS SHOW OBAMA BIG
Bex Hi! I need a hug! NERVOUS!!!!
oveness: how well done McCain needs to be before we put a fork in him
I've been following this for so long on this site that today almost feels like just another day of polls!
Good bye carpetbaggers. Your schemes of stealing and science of lying is in the light. Chenney will hide in OZburton leaving his protege to fend off truth. I'm already breaking the fun barrier.
thats the messiest friggin table ive ever seen...i mean seriously what a disaster. and i'm not trying to troll i read the site everyday and it's a mess as is...but this takes the cake.
Indiana (1% in)
O - 57
M - 42
All the vote is from Vigo county
Ted Striker said...
What say you to this, RWC, PeteKent, Repub et al.?
Your man Drudge has in huge capital letters at the top of his main page:
EXIT POLLS SHOW OBAMA BIG
+++++++++++++
that drudge is in the tank for Obama? lol...
cant wait till its called....Please be called at 8-9 tonight....
Matthews and Olbermann are at it again!
Hilarious!
@John McCain is my Love Child!
Perfect!
We will not bow to the GOP racists!!
how long to wait now Real Joe?
I don't know where those votes in Indiana are coming in from but they make me smaeu er happy.
Any way you guys could use some sort of color code to indicate which column any particular state started in?
HEY YO!
Any web sites comtrasting real-time returns with 2004 results or 2008 expectations per polls? That'd give us a pretty good view of how things are unforlding.
Vigo voted 2004 53-46% Bush.
IN-Obama leads by 56 w/1% reported. now we only have another 99% to worry about
Demographics
Income 100,000+ (25% of voters)
52) - 47%
In the USA as a whole, 52% of people making more than $100k pa voted for Obama, 47% for McGramps.
Vigo County may be a bellweather county...
http://uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATION/BELLWETHER/bellwether.php
Sreenu said...
Indiana (1% in)
O - 57
M - 42
All the vote is from Vigo county
Yes, but is it all of Vigo county? If that's 100% reporting in Vigo I would be a very happy boy.
@Sedi: No public poll has showed a tight race. Every set of numbers available to Nate indicates Obama leading in IA by eight points or more. This is why Nate has not given much credence to the alleged campaign internals that indicate a close election.
FYI, opponents of gay marriage would vote "yes" on Prop 8, to overturn the State Supreme Court. Supporters of gay marriage would note "no."
52-47 Obama leads in higher income
After this election I'll need to do some soul searching an ask: Can I really vote for Chris Matthews for US Senate?
FIRST REAL NUMBERS IN!!!!
Ted, as Nate said, exit polls are meaningless because they usually have a big Democratic lean. Exit polls are the reason 2004 was mistakenly called for Kerry.
Anyway, I can happily report that here in north St. Paul, many fellow students had already voted before noon. Also, the Obama volunteers are still out making sure people vote.
Now, to bite my nails until tomorrow morning.
Indiana:
wait for numbers from big cities
If IN gets called for Obama (admittedly a long-shot), this will be over before it starts.
Obama is spiking up in Indiana on In-Trade
Lani said...
Matthews and Olbermann are at it again!
Hilarious!
This is why I'm watching MSNBC. Informative funny and entertaining.. with a chance of blood!!
Is there anyone very kind to help European readers to watch Nate on HDNet by some kind of streaming?
All the European readers would be grateful :)
Vigo County was Bush 2004. If that's 100% John McCain is going to get the worst asswhooping since Mondale.
Refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh
I can't take it anymore. I need this to be over. When it's finally called for Barack I'm going to laugh, cry, and vomit, all at the same time.
I sure would love to see him win Georgia and North Dakota.
wv: baying: What I wish Bay Buchanan would stop doing.
Wow, I hate the layout on MSNBC's results. Why can't they just have in-line fricken numbers after the candidates names.
The balls have exploded multiple times in excitement and anticipation.
Just got home from canvassing! Things look good in Albuquerque! I'm wired!!!!!!!!!!
what is the population of your Vigo Mortensen County vs. population of the whole State? That way we can gues sif its all the numbers
Like so many others I thank Nate for this great site and his months of comforting us high-strung liberal Democrats.
I also appreciated so many of the excellent posters from all around the world. It was wonderful to see how many people cared so much!
But more than anyone, I thank the Obama volunteers for making it all happen. This OBAMAPPLE PIE I made was one of two delivered to the North Little Rock Obama office as I went out to vote today. I hope they enjoyed it.
Paul
Indiana (1% in)
And...let the obsessing begin!
These are the first actual results in, right?
By the way, the full exit polls are up on Gawker. Obama is leading in PA by 15 and in VA by 10. McCain's only leading by 4 in Arizona.
restsm: After tonight, I hope both candidates get a lot of restsm.
thats 39% of Vigo county in so far
Well, Obama is ahead. He should quit now before McCain can catch up. :)
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Well, I'm set up in the den, with the big screen on HDNet (doesn't seem to be any Nate yet), and my browser on fivethirtyeight.com.
Where's my Sam Adams?
wv: lenthog - the guy who takes all the food the Catholics didn't eat.
Vigo County has Terre Haute, a city with 60,000 people. County has 105K people.
real joe - whats the suprise?
minates -- yeah, not years,months or days...now its minutes away.
VA - military votes impounded!
FIRED UP!!!!!!! READY TO GO!!!!! obama/Biden 08
Ellen said...
"Ted, as Nate said, exit polls are meaningless because they usually have a big Democratic lean. Exit polls are the reason 2004 was mistakenly called for Kerry."
Oh, I know that all too well. I specifically wrote that only because it was none other than Drudge himself that reported that. I don't believe any exit poll myself. But I had to laugh when Drudge, who seemingly would do anything to spin McCain positives, puts this as his main headline.
Awesome site.
Your top left corner thing says "Electoal" FYI
This is looking good, but for some reason this odd feeling of excitement, anxiety, and mild fear will not go away.
I reckon I won't be leaving this chair - from which I can use my computer & watch my television simultaneously - for the rest of the night.
Come on, Obama!
Nate, this is outstanding. Thanks very much for all your work. Unfortunately, we don't get HDNet here in MA...
Yeah, Obama currently up 15 points in the "bellweather" county of Vigo, and up 19 in Knox...Now, I know nothing about Knox county, but from what I can tell, it's not what should be an obama stronghold...30% "American" ancestry, 97% white, low population density, etc...I'm starting to get overly excited :)
How about a similar breakdown for the house? Probably out of the question? OK, just the senate, that should be easy.
Drduge comforting his readers:
"2004 FLASHBACK: Egg On Face of Exit Pollsters..."
Vigo County has a lot of college students, which could be (favorably) skewing the results somewhat.
I'm listening to Nightwish. Heavy metal with lots of choral music sets the tone for this really well.
oops...I meant 9 in Knox...still stands
Excellent...but I won't feel the least bit sure about ANYTHING until all the votes are counted. Waiting with baited breath...
Only town in Knox I've heard of is Vincennes. Knox has about 40K people.
I'm getting my information from Wikipedia. They have an article for each county in the country.
McCain catching up super quick in Indiana
AstoundingMalevolence said...
Vigo County has Terre Haute, a city with 60,000 people. County has 105K people.
++++++++++
ya rove just said that was his bell weather to see how they were doing when it came to elections...IIRC he said that county predicted the President all but twice way back when (cant recall the years but was a long time ago 64 and 18 or something like that)....
Up to 57% on vigo county now still 57-42
"Drduge comforting his readers:
"2004 FLASHBACK: Egg On Face of Exit Pollsters...""
Didn't I predict this a few hours ago? Let me reprise:
-Exit polls show Obama will big lead
-Drudge, Fox et al. shriek "OHIO 2004"! and take this to mean McCain is winning
-Obama supporters panic for a few hours until order is restored
Honestly, someone needs to pass out the Xanax here.
loralee hi
im in rosell and thanks for info and canvassing
McCain needs to get up about 200 grand in Indiana because the NW counties will come in dead last and be HEAVY (I mean HEAVY) Obama.
el oso said...
McCain catching up super quick in Indiana
LOL
look where the numbers are coming from
Hello from London. I have taken tomorrow off work and purchased a new espresso machine. Bring it on!
Some time ago, I placed a bet of £50 that Obama would win 375+ EC. I got 5 to 1. If I win, I am going to donate my profits to a charity... if anyone would like to suggest one? Best suggestion received before he makes 375 (if he makes 375) gets it. :o)
Re Indiana---wait for Gary Indiana. Lots of votes there. after 7.
Indiana (1%)
McCain (R) 48% 20,347
Obama (D) 51% 21,429
mcavity, the Help Sherwick Become a Millionaire Charity is a good one I heard with a very noble cause.
"If I win, I am going to donate my profits to a charity... if anyone would like to suggest one? Best suggestion received before he makes 375 (if he makes 375) gets it. :o)"
My father died of cancer in 1991. I've always viewed cancer research as one of the most important charities, since it can affect us all seemingly at random.
ops 54% of Vigo in ATM not 57%
My diagram makes vivid exactly what this table captures. I'll update it as states are called.
If anyone remembers the primaries, Obama's strong hold in Indiana (Gary County), took a long time to come in.
Obama down 40 in Kentucky early.
A noble cause SHERWICK, I'm sending you $10
Vigo county had strong, strong Early Vote effort.
:)
Umm...Nate? Looks like you have a typo in the Safe Electoral Vote chart at the top.
Glad to be a part of history :)
10 minutes before all hell breaks loose.
macavity -
SPCA - (Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals)
They do amazing work on behalf of neglected pets.
The dogs and cats thank you for your consideration.
Is anyone else watching CNN? What the hell is up with these cone charts? Confusing graphics that even Bill Schneider is having trouble explaining.
How are early votes going to be included into these results - are they already counted? If the count is as massive as is claimed, it seems these would be missed with the current system.
Dead Cat Bounce said...
10 minutes before all hell breaks loose.
++++++++
eh may I ask why?
Obama >370 on intrade just shot up!
ahhh this is nervewrecking. if anyone wants to talk in real time, IM me on aim at purplepetticoat.
Indiana just went blue on Intrade.
141st!
This looks like a fun time to me!
I also have a charity, It's called the "Help me Pay my Student Loans!" Charity. Rumor is that Obama wants to do something to help me with it!
At the moment looks Indiana very strong for Obama. He lead and the 2 big counties with 0 votes. Chuck Todd give Obama only these 2 counties. Could be a mistake. ;)
But McCain win Kentucky!
McCain landslide! ;)
cloudyfuture, I'm guessing he's talking about the first set of states closing.
how about helping some of those poor people driven out of their homes by violence in the Congo, or donate to a group trying to help in Somalia?
Gee, Obama getting KILLED in Kentucky...
Would anyone think any different? Where's my banjo?
"Indiana just went blue on Intrade."
Sound like over reacting to me..
By the way, not all McCain supporters are racists. I'm not.
Obama classifies himself as African - American. Why not just American?
I'm certainly not European - American. I'm just an American.
I desperately hope Vigo still has predictive value. Early night if so.
@ Dead cat, i'll take a xanax over here!
Hey Nate, love the site! Has been added to the top of my election day refresh list. Luckily for us expats living in Australia we'll have the final verdict probably early afternoon our time, so a long night of celebration or mourning is planned.
Oh, I think you misspelt 'electoral' in 'safe electoral seats' on the left side of this page above your final projections. With the amount of attention the site is getting and will continue to get might want to fix that up.
new thread
I've been following this site for a few weeks--thanks for all your hard work!
In your new graphic right under the site logo, I'm pretty sure you meant to label that as "Safe Electo_r_al Votes" (with an 'r'). :)
"10 minutes before all hell breaks loose."
More like...
10 minutes before everyone turns on the TV ... and then has to sit there and wait for the results to trickle in precinct by precinct. ;)
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15 minutes before Verginia polls close.
16 minutes before Mathews and Olbermann are on the floor tearing one anothers hair out. :D
I'm having fun @)
Its neck and neck in KY
Interesting, ABCNews Exit Polls put the amount African-Americans voting in the 08 election at 14%, just over 2004 (yes, Exit polls are evil, wrong, etcetera)
IN looks good for Obama. Should be part of his landslide scenario.
McCain is outpolling McConnell. This is of signficance depending on where the vote is coming from.
n,
You are a racist.
El Oso -- that's because people in KY are racist.
I'm getting good at this.
In all seriousness n, we were kidding...
But why you get to just say "American" is because the exercise of white privilege guarantees that when you say "American" its coded as "white." That's nothing about your conscious value system. Instead its about socially produced inequities that structure hierarchy in ways that are often invisible to their beneficiaries.
I could go on, but I somehow doubt you would be willing to engage the reams of pretty compelling social scientific literature supporting my contention.
Prove me wrong. (About your willingness).
n,
You are a racist.
El Oso -- that's because people in KY are racist.
I'm getting good at this.
In all seriousness n, we were kidding...
But why you get to just say "American" is because the exercise of white privilege guarantees that when you say "American" its coded as "white." That's nothing about your conscious value system. Instead its about socially produced inequities that structure hierarchy in ways that are often invisible to their beneficiaries.
I could go on, but I somehow doubt you would be willing to engage the reams of pretty compelling social scientific literature supporting my contention.
Prove me wrong. (About your willingness).
Why are you slower than msnbc.com They update EVERY TWO MINUTES.
PeteKent,
It's nappy time.
Quit your crying and let mommie tuck you in.
When you wake up tomorrow, you can apologize to President Obama for your many, many stupid comments.
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