11.08.2008

The Contact Gap: Proof of the Importance of the Ground Game?

One of the more interesting questions posed on this year's exit polls was whether the voter had been contacted by the Obama and McCain campaigns personally about getting out to vote. Unfortunately, the exit poll consortium did not ask this question in all states, but it did in a dozen or so competitive states; these figures are summarized below:

% of Voters Reporting Direct Contact from Campaigns

State Obama McCain Gap

NV 50% 29% 21%
CO 51% 34% 17%
IN 37% 22% 15%
VA 50% 38% 12%
PA 50% 39% 11%
IA 41% 30% 11%
FL 29% 20% 9%
NC 34% 26% 8%
MO 44% 37% 7%
OH 43% 36% 7%
WI 42% 39% 3%
WV 29% 31% -2%
The Obama campaign had a superior contact rate in 11 of the 12 battlegrounds; the only exception was West Virginia. Wisconsin was also relatively close, perhaps because Obama redirected its legion number of Illinois-based volunteers from Wisconsin to Indiana a couple of weeks in advance of the election.

The largest gaps, however, were in Indiana and out west in Colorado and Nevada, all places where Obama outperformed his polls on election day. (Unfortuntely, the exit surveys did not poll this question in New Mexico, where I'd expect you'd find similar numbers). Conversely, in West Virginia -- the only state where McCain had a superior contact rate -- Obama underpeformed his polls by several points on Tuesday.

We can, naturally, examine this relationship for all 12 battleground states. On the horizontal axis, we will plot the gap in contact rate, and on the vertical axis, the Obama-McCain gap in the popular vote versus that projected by the final 538 Trend-Adjusted Polling Average.



There is indeed a fairly strong relationship between contact rate and Obama's overperformance or underperformance in the polls. (The R-squared of the linear regression line you see in the chart is .51, indicating that about half of the gap between Obama's projected and actual performance was explained by disparities in the ground game.) Roughly speaking, each marginal 10-point advantage in contact rate translated into a marginal 3-point gain in the popular vote in that state. So the rule of thumb that a "good" ground game may be worth additional 2-3 points above and beyond what is reflected in the polls appears to hold; a great ground game may be worth somewhat more than that.

Interestingly, the regression line suggests that in states where there was no contact rate advantage -- that is, states where the Obama and McCain campaigns contacted an equal number of voters -- Obama would underperform his polls by about 3 points. This has several potential interpretations, but the one I find most compelling is that Democrats are in fact relying upon lower-propensity voters like youth and minorities. Therefore, it is more incumbent upon the Democrats to have a strong ground game to turn these voters out.

Nationally, there was an 8-point gap in contact rate ... the Obama campaign reached 26 percent of voters with its GOTV efforts to McCain's 18 percent. This can be contrasted with 2004, when Kerry's campaign contacted 26 percent of voters to Bush's 24. Although Obama's field operation was good, Kerry's was pretty good too; the difference may be that while Bush's field operation was also good, John McCain's was not. It is also possible that Obama's field operation was more efficient than Kerry's, as the contact rate gap was larger in battleground than in non-battleground states. I have heard multiple stories of voters in states like Indiana receiving as many as three or four in-person contacts from the Obama campaign on Tuesday. This is a sign of a campaign that knew where the tipping points were, rather than (say) sending volunteers to Michigan on Election Day just to play it safe.

131 comments

King-elect Assmole the Baboon said...

no shit.

kurt said...

I think this is great news for future Democratic campaigns.

In general I think repubs more likely to vote, even if their candidate is a dinner plate, so this new mobiliation is a clear advantage to the Dems...

Add to that the old salts of the hard right not letting go... and it is going to be a long road back for them.

bull arpaio said...

When oh when will McCain finally tell us how to get Osama bin Ladin?

Kid G said...

I still don't quite get how the McCain campaign had so many contacts, when it seems like their grassroots effort was negligible. Maybe these include robocalls?

King-elect Assmole the Baboon said...

kurt, the two parties are not static entities - the one ever demanding support and the other censure. Nate should delete your inane post but alas he lacks the balls.

syr93 said...

This worries me because when Republicans have equal resources to campaign with, the advantage Democrats had this time will be neutralized. It's nice when Republicans run an inept campaign and don't raise as much money, but you can't count on that

AndrewCA said...

first time commenter, long time reader, I just wanted to share my experience from canvasing for Obama in Nevada in relation to this posting:
I volunteered in the "Drive for Change" program in which Californians were invited to help the campaign in Nevada during the last four weekends of the campaign. I volunteered for three weekends and couldn't make the final Nov. 1-2 weekend. During those weekends we were often sent to the same neighborhoods multiple times, sometimes knocking on doors that had already seen 6 or 7 visits within a short period of time. Often the goal seemed to annoy Obama voters to the point where they would go early vote just to stop us from making visits. If the supporter was annoyed by my visit, I would always assure them that we would stop bugging them as soon as they cast their vote. During my final week there (Oct. 25-26) I found that we were visiting new neighborhoods and took this as anecdotal evidence that this strategy was successful. I can't tell you how happy I was to to see Washoe County (where I spent most of my time) go blue.
I know this has been said in the comments space and in Sean's "On the Road" postings many times, but the organization and strategy used by the campaign was breathtaking.
I have never volunteered for any campaign before, but I can't wait for 2012 to come around so I can help make sure that Obama wins again!

p.s. for those of you who post links to news in the comments, thanks! This site has been such a joy to read not just for Nate and Sean's analysis but for the lively (if sometimes annoying) conversations going on here in the comments section.

Rich Rifkin said...

"Although Obama's field operation was good, Kerry's was pretty good too; the difference may be that while Bush's field operation was also good, John McCain's was not."

Alternatively, it may be as simple as the fact that there was no passion for McCain. Bush ran a conservative base campaign, and because he shared that base's views, they had passion for him.

McCain waffled back and forth trying to motivate his base, but his record didn't inspire them -- or anyone else.

As such, McCain's "ground game" was hamstrung.

Jen said...

Nate-

Any predictions on Minnesota recount results?

Assmole-

Are you no longer brave since you are the king-elect?

Monite- A type of rock made of currency?

capt said...

Here in Albuquerque we were canvassed about two weeks before the election - A young guy walked up and he already knew my name (I had donated to Obama).

He asked how solid I was for Obama and what day I was going to vote. I originally planned to vote on the Saturday -(11/25?) but had to change plans.

We were called the day before (11/24) and the caller was reminding us that they could help with a ride or whatnot. Then they called to follow up.

I think they called again - but it was a person to person ground game that knocked my socks off.

We were canvassed by the Kerry campaign but no follow up.

FWIW

Tim said...

I wonder if there's a better response variable you could use -- surely by the time of election day, a lot of that positive response from Obama outreach would be pre-built into the polls. You do get an interesting result, but it's pretty much completely driven by NV and WV. What would it look like based purely on the demographic model underlying 538? That is, remove the polling average, just look at how those states should have voted for a generic Dem candidate?

Beth said...

I agree with AndrewCA that the number of contacts may have differed greatly between campaigns and that this may be an important factor in teasing out the impact of voter contact. It's also possible that Obama made far greater use of face-to-face efforts than did McCain--it certainly looked that way to me from my experience in a couple of Pennsylvania counties.

GayIthacan said...

"Interestingly, the regression line suggests that in states where there was no contact rate advantage -- that is, states where the Obama and McCain campaigns contacted an equal number of voters -- Obama would underperform his polls by about 3 points."

Dear God - we are going to be hearing 'Bradley Effect" for years to come. :(

David said...

With only 12 datapoints, the 95% confidence interval for a correlation coefficient is .576 (see http://www.gifted.uconn.edu/Siegle/research/Correlation/corrchrt.htm )

From what you have said, the correlation coefficient is .71 .

That passes the statistical significance test, but chances are, the magnitude of the effect are much smaller then you are implying.

Danny said...

Nate, is there some centralized location where the data you use for these little mini studies is available?

I'd like to redo your analysis here using a robust linear regression model, which may be more appropriate here given that there appear to be some significant outliers.

David said...

Danny,

there isn't any unfortunately(And understandably, Nate isn't really generous with his data). I've accumulated a lot of it for my website, so give me an email if you want anything.

I don't think that a robust linear regression model would help much here, there really is very little data, and huge identification issues.

(That, and since exit polls are subject to quite a bit of observational error, an instrumental variable approach would be needed)

kurt said...

@assmole - all I can say is ...

There is an intrinisic advantage to the republican ground game. It has been well documented. It is why the evangelical network continues its stranglehold on the south/heartland. This network should not be confused with the Mccain ground game (or lack there-of), and shows, even with a candidate that is uninspiring to the right, it is a formidible machine. - call it the Palin machine now I guess.

However there is a hard ceiling on this ground game, and It is further isolating itself from the center of America.

The historic problem with democrats is they are a coalition of a hundred different issues each with their own sporadic ground game. There is a reason that the right has made fun of this for so long.

This is why the Obama campaign was truly landscape changing. It creates a new model to centrally mobilize these often rogue factions. For 8 years this machinery will be backed by him as a central figure, and beyond hopefully the legacy will also be formidible.

Not that dems can't figure away to screw the pooch in 2016, but the pool of up and coming dems is far more vibrat the the repubs.

comatolt - the new far right party

Cicero said...

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Sparrow Hawk said...

I was part of Obama's GOTV team in Huerfano County, CO. We knocked on some doors 5-6 times, until we reached the voter and made sure they had gotten to the polls. We reached something like 90% of our targeted voters! Our targeted voters were those whose voting record as "sporadic".

No Way...No How...No McCain/Palin

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Broken Yogi said...

I'm curious as to the breakdown of these voter contacts. Does this include robocalls, or is it only person-to-person contacts? My impression was that McCain was relying heavily on robocalls, which are much less effective than person-to-person phone calls and door-knocking. Do we have any stats that break this down and compare the effectiveness of these methods of contact?

Juris said...

@bull: We didn't elect him, so McCain's going to keep secret how he was going to get OBL.

BTW/ McCain's approach on that during the camp;aign, as well as on Iraq, was reminiscent of Nixon's in 1968. Nixon would repeatedly say "I have a plan" to end the war in Vietnam. And I can't recall anyone truly calling him out on it.

So what was Nison's plan for "peace with honor"? Negotiate an exit -- which got sped up just a bit as the Vietcong/NVA overran our embassy in Saigon and we "honorably" scooted outa there.

RedHawksO4 said...

This is great to see. I spent a lot of time in Indiana and Ohio, so those numbers are especially important to me. It looks like all our hard work paid off.


An Electoral Reflection

Juris said...

@Nate: Another interesting analysis along this line would be to use either or both of these predictor variables: number of field offices per capita by state, advertising by state (and use the same dependent variable that you have--over/under performing the polls).

The former certainly speaks to the ground game capacity of each campaign. The latter is a little trickier, as you know, because you have to take media markets into account.

jackleone said...

Question:
You are getting your data from exit polls. If I recall correctly, didn't you say that exit polls skew Democratic? If the exit polls skew Democratic shouldn't also the Dem/Rep contact ratio of the exit polls also skew Democratic regardless of underlying real ratio?

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Mason said...

Between Sunday and Tuesday, my wife and I received two robo-calls, two human calls, and a door hanger indicating that a canvasser had been by but that we hadn't been home. This was in Fake Va.

We had already voted.

DearOldDad said...

I realize this is a bit late and off topic....but I wanted to thank and congratulate the "538" team on a splendid job that made the runnup to the election so interesting and provocative....I know i am not alone as many many of my colleagues would agree.
Best of luck in the next phase!

Dave said...

I think it's important to not prematurely mix up the Obama and McCain turn out numbers. The difference between the two is obviously important, but each may be an independent predictor.

For example, the point you make at the end about Dems relying on low propensity voters -- this is true, but should be relatively independent of whether McCain has good contact levels or not. That is, you would expect it to hurt the Dem when contact was low for both D and R campaigns, but not necessarily if it's high for both. However, the difference between the two in these situations could be minimal.

So it would not only be interesting to see if each is an independent predictor, but it would also let you test your theories for how contact is having its effects on actual voting.

Celestite said...

In my house there is one registered Democrat and one registered Republican. THREE workers for Obama's GOTV came to the door in a two week period. No one ever came from the Republican side. Also the robo calls from McCain were enough to make us unplug the phone. Very annoying. No human being ever contacted our house re the GOP.

LAW said...

I'm not surprised at all at the Nevada numbers. The Obama campaign did a masterful job in redirecting Northern CA volunteers to Washoe County, Nevada. They registered a huge number of voters and made a lot of voter contacts.

Argus said...

I canvassed several nights and weekends in Indianapolis. By Sat. Nov. 1, I had many angry folks who were tired of being contacted five or six times. A few said they would not vote at all because they felt they were being treated as children. One very upset woman insisted I cross her name off the list while she watched.

It seems there can be too much of a good thing.

Lani said...

Obama took the republicans ground game and ehanced it 10000 times. That combined with his fundraising techniques made for a historical campaign strategy.

That said, republicans would be fools not to duplicate Obamas efforts.

The question is, how can they enhance Obama's campaign to beat him in 2012?

Rich Beckman said...

" So the rule of thumb that a "good" ground game may be worth additional 2-3 points above and beyond what is reflected in the polls appears to hold"

Maybe (probably) I've missed something, but didn't Obama win the national popular vote by a margin nearly identical to that predicted by the polls??

I understand that the ground game was not national and so could not be expected to add three points to the national margin. But it is counter-intuitive to me that all of those contacts in all of those states didn't effect the national margin when it effects state margins by three points.

Kiran said...

I voted in the Republican primary (here in fake Virginia). The Obama campaign still came to my door for canvassing. The McCain campaign just sent me mail.

Admittedly, I was never going to vote for the Republican candidate in the general election. But how would either campaign know that.

Ak_Space_Man said...

Re-posted from the earlier thread...

Hi folks,

For those who keep asking about Alaska's time table, they will wait 10 days after the election for all domestic absentee ballots to arrive, and another 5 days for overseas ballots to arrive. Ballot counting of absentee and questioned ballots starts 14 November.
http://www.elections.alaska.gov/Publications/2008GeneralMediaPacket.pdf
As of this morning, there are now about 81,000 uncounted absentee and questioned ballots in Alaska, and it's still going up.

wv: bowigove -- what Obama's new dog will think of the White House

Kid G said...

Blogger Lani said...

Obama took the republicans ground game and ehanced it 10000 times. That combined with his fundraising techniques made for a historical campaign strategy.

That said, republicans would be fools not to duplicate Obamas efforts.

The question is, how can they enhance Obama's campaign to beat him in 2012?


I don't believe it is possible for the Republicans to ever match the Obama ground game, unless they become the party of progressives one day. The key reason for this is that youth were absolutely the key to the ground game. The field organizers, both regional and lower down on the totem pole, were all 20-somethings not far out of college. Republicans will never be able to generate interest in activism on a national level because so many of their youth are located in the mountain west and bible belt. The most active Republicans, it seems, are the older church going types. I just don't see a strong 50-state ground game being possible in this increasingly progressive country. That being said, it will be difficult for Obama to repeat his campaign because of the lack of an effective foil (in this case Bush), unless perhaps Palin wins the Repub nomination and the fact that his current organizers will have probably moved on to the next stage of their lives.

Davie Y said...

thanks very much for asking this question of the polling data -- i'm printing your graph out and hanging it on my wall as inspiration to make calls again for the next election! amazing to get a quantitative sense for how much things like this might have helped.

Kid G said...

@ kiran:

So why did you vote in the Republican primary again? and who did you vote for?

schief9999 said...

My experience in MO backs this up. I got an initial in-person contact from the Obama campaign back in September. I then got a visit at the door on Friday, a door hanger w/voting info left while I was out on Saturday, and another visit at 10 AM on Tuesday to check whether I'd already voted (I had).

I was never visited by the McCain campaign.

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LikesJazz-from-DC said...

To 538 Politico Addicts,

I am much enjoying the election postmortem discussions. Keep them up.

I would STRONGLY recommend to all of you, Newsweek's Election Special Edition, that just came out. Go out and find one. NOW! The election stories are like being a fly on the wall, behind the curtains -- utterly fascinating. You will very much enjoy them, and like me, you will have a very hard time this special issue down. Tonight I will probably be up to 3 am.

By the way, President-elect Obama comes across as a very human person.

My best regards,

LikesJazz-from-DC

mike said...

I think you are reading too much into this.
The correlation is almost completely driven by the two extreme points (NV and WV). Eliminate those points and there is no correlation.
Or if you want to be more analytic, do a jackknife and you will see this.
Correlations are dangerous if you don't look at the contribution of individual points to the correlation.

Mike

jrogowski said...

Mason, Yogi and others - one thing to keep in mind when we think about the "ground game" and voter contact is that not all means of voter contact are equally effective. Tons of empirical research shows that door-to-door canvassing is the most effective, but also the most costly and time-consuming. Personal telephone calls from volunteers typically yield significant results, but mailers and robocalls don't do much at all.

People have attributed Obama's success (at least partially) to his ability to mobilize habitual non-voters, but we should also consider how many volunteers were willing to donate so much of their time to canvass door-to-door in areas where turnout could really make the difference. In the closest races these activists probably had a lot to do with putting Obama over the top.

It'd be fun to see whether the Obama campaign has any data to share on the number of hours spent canvassing in particular geographic areas to see whether (and perhaps by how much) D2D contact boosted turnout.

CA Hawkeye said...

Interesting analysis, thanks Nate.

Seems to be data that supports the old GOTV strategy, and as one commentator put it "Obama took the principles and practices that he learned as a community organizer and applied the internet to them."

What was that the Repups said about a Community Organizer?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Paul Bradford said...

YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE THESE LINKS!

Obama 'overperformed' (relative to Nate's last polling prediction) in 28 states and McCain overperformed in 23. The biggest gap was in DC where Obama piled up a 86.3% victory as compared to a 59.4% predictive spread (difference of 26.9%). The biggest gap favoring McCain was in AK where McCain got a 25.3% victory compared to a 14.2% projection (difference of 11.1%).
This link gives you a graphic representation.

Nate's predictions were within 3% for 32 of the states with Obama substantially overperforming in 10 states and McCain substantially overperforming in 9. This link shows the state-by-state breakdown (close states unshaded).

CA Hawkeye said...

Oh yea...and what was McCain doing for the five months that he new he had the nomination and the Dems were still fighting it out. It certaintly was not organizing his GOTV effort.

Yes, it will make for a nail biter of an election when the Repubs do get there ground game together again. But first they have to come up with a viable candidate.

interstices said...

My brother who lines in Cville, Va said they got multiple visits from Obama campaign through October, including door hangers when they were not home. I was surprised when I heard about these multi contact efforts and thought it was duplication from bad data or oversight efforts but apparently part of the strategy is to stay on the people that have been identified as supporters instead of getting back to them on election day.

Ben said...

I'm not sure what the source of those numbers are, but would it be possible to do a comparison of those numbers, voters who were contacted by the campaign to get out and vote, with the race and age of the voter? You could compare it with increased turnout among populations who have voted in lower numbers in past elections, and those who turn out higher, and potentially find out exactly how effective the ground game is in turning out young people and minorities. If it is effective, than Democrats should focus on turnout efforts even more in future elections, especially in things like obtaining cell phone numbers.

Blame said...

It is looking a bit like the Obama ground game was too good.

Like there can be too many ad's there can be too many contacts.

I suspect it will be a generation before another candidate manages to mobilize such numbers, when that day comes there are lesons to be learned.

With 20/20 hindsight it might have been better to have made this a true 50 state election.

Increasing the voter base in strong blue states would keep them safe in less promising years.

In strong Red states it would be another long term investment. Could be they are only red out of tradition. There are always new voters. If the dems start a tradion of going after them hard no matter where they live then one day there will be no safe res states.

Maddy said...

"What was that the Repups said about a Community Organizer?"

Someone here said a few days ago" A community organizer is KIND of like a small town mayor, except a community organizer gets elected President!"

I worked GOTV here in Seattle, same thing, many of the folks said they'd had numerous calls and so forth. Some of the people I spoke to were just lonely, and happy to have the attention. Human contact vs. robocalls would make a huge difference in how you perceive a candidate caring about your needs. It would be interesting to measure effectiveness of the kinds of contacts received.

Lani said...

@LikesJazz-from-DC

Couldn't find any Time magazines yesterday. I Got 2 copies of Newsweek yesterday.

Haven't read it yet, but glancing at it, it looks pretty meaty.

Had to go near a republican area of Los Angeles county to find it and it only had a few left.

Hope I can get my hands on a Time

John Nail said...

I think robo calls were their main contact point :

From Marc Ambinder:

At the National Press Club on Wednesday, RNC chairman Mike Duncan crowed about how the Republican National Committee and the McCain campaign had contacted 30 million individual voters directly. (This figure includes those robocalls.)

Impressive.

But the Obama campaign / Democratic National Committee turnout program contacted more than double that amount -- about 68 million, according to a Democratic officials.

More comments here:http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/jnail/blog/&blogId=5372

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Zane said...

Nate-
The comparison with Kerry is interesting. Were these questions asked in the exit polls in 2004? I wonder if this regression would hold if you added in 2004 results, or if Kerry vs. Bush gap is fundamentally different than Obama vs. McCain gap, or if you'd have to add in state ID (blue vs. red vs. battleground) as another dependent variable. Also, did Obama's 8 point national average gap lead to him outperforming the projected gap by 2.4%, as you'd predict from the state numbers?

matthew said...

Nate or Sean (or Marty!),

Tell us your thoughts on why Missouri didn't live up to its bellwether status (however narrowly it missed it).

Maybe New Mexico will earn the new bellwether title?

From the wiki pages on Missouri bellwether:

In 2008 however, Missouri very narrowly voted for Republican John McCain(albeit by only 0.2 percent)despite a large electoral college victory for Democrat Barack Obama, putting further into question its bellwether status, since its accuracy rate for the last 27 presidential elections is about 92% (25 out of 27 correct), the same as that of New Mexico (which voted for the winner in every presidential election from its statehood in 1912 except in the 1976 and 2000 elections).

EnnuiDivine said...

Just as I was starting to regain a little respect for McCain...

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/08/mccain-and-palin-to-stump-for-chambliss/

McCain slammed Chambliss for the reprehensble ad against Cleland in '02. Why is he..or ANY veteran..supporting him now?

CA Hawkeye said...

@Maddy said...

LOL, very funny. I missed that one.

Lots of great commentary about the election. One person said the victory for the Civil Rights movement, in addition the the election of BO, was demonstrating the power of community organizing.

Going all the way back to the big three (Freud, Adler, Jung) psychologists have noted that people need to feel that they belong to a larger community and are contributing to something bigger than themselves. I think President Elect Barack Hussein Obama brought that back to many of us. And, it can have great power going forward. Time will tell.

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keetz4 said...

I live in Seattle and was contacted twice by the Obama campaign during the day...first by phone and then they came by my house in the evening. I was pretty impressed.

trialsanderrors said...

Roughly speaking, each marginal 10-point advantage in contact rate translated into a marginal 3-point gain in the popular vote in that state

That's a pretty strong statement based on very little evidence. First you have to assume that the relationship is in fact linear, and second you have to assume that WV wasn't affected by the Joe-the-Plumber campaign which turned the Cracker Crescent red and the rest of the country blue.

YVGW said...

If you haven't seen this yet, here's what seems to be President Elect Obama's campaign Flicker account.

Get the hankies, again!

Davy said...

@Andrew

I campaigned in NV too. Good times. We canvassed so hard that I had one irate republican call the cops on us. Apparently we had visited his house a few too many times. We only ran into a few meanies though. But that did lead me to wonder if there is a point of diminishing returns in a ground game. But, it seems to have worked. We turned NV blue!

Stephen C. Rose said...

Add one more for Barack in Nebraska. Continuing the rise, not to my predicted 400+ but beyond what most predicted.

Efrique said...

(The R-squared of the linear regression line you see in the chart is .51, indicating that about half of the gap between Obama's projected and actual performance was explained by disparities in the ground game.)

But the strength of the relationship is driven almost entirely by a mere two states - WV and NV. If you look at the strength of the relationship without them, the r-squared is not 51 percent, it's about 1.7 percent!

(I had to guess the y-axis values from the graph so my numbers may be out a tad).

A relationship driven by only two of the points really only tells us about those two points. You have two be very careful about drawing general conclusions when those conclusions are in effect determined by two influential points. The line without those two points is not close to the line with them - it's essentially flat. That's a worry, because it suggests that the two influential points may in fact be influential outliers.

Normally I'd be cautious about drawing conclusions based on only 12 observations, but in these circumstances, I wouldn't want to be drawing them at all.

Davy said...

By the way, everybody, you can collapse offensive troll comments by reading them in the 'post a comment' dialogue box. Just click in the upper right corner. You can refresh the 'post a comment' box by right clicking. But I'm also on a Mac using Safari as a browser so I don't know what you PC folks are seeing.

Adrian said...

Alsakan limbo ballot tally has crept up again - now stands at 53,000. http://www.elections.alaska.gov/files/08GENR/remaining_absentee_early_question_numbers.pdf

Vadim said...

Sean,
I think its belittling to the analysis you add for you to respond on the yard sign post. When ever uses the word asshole, or the phrase "as fuck" in the thesis of their essay, its obvious they are not serious and thoughtful. Thank you for contributing so much to this site, i hope you maintain the quality and don't succumb to petty squabbles.

Mark said...

If A is more voters being contacted, and B is better election results, this posting seems to imply that A causes B. Where in fact, both might be the result of C, a stronger ground game.

You know what they say about correlation and causation.

Heather Nordquist said...

This is interesting analysis and I would have loved to see the NM numbers. We were also visiting people for the 5th or 6th time, and our operation started early enough to get lots of new voters in the very poor areas of northern NM. I was told post mortem that we doubled our turnout goal (which in this area would be about 75% Hispanic). I fully expected NM to be closer than 15%, so the effect of the ground game cannot be overstated here.

Also, Matt, the bellwether thing for NM is really better than it seems. I give us credit for 2000. The vote here was a margin for Gore by 366 votes, and if the Supreme Court had allowed the count to continue, I believe the razor thin Dem win would have held.

Heather Nordquist said...

WTF? Wasn't there just a sign post up? Then it went poof.

Vadim said...

I think Sean realized the tone of the sign post post was not up to 538 standards.

Ken said...

poof indeed.

it was a bit inside baseball, maybe he thought better of continuing an all out pie fight

Ben said...

It seems worth noting that the most impressive gaps in voter contact are in early voting states (save VA and PA, which became tipping points and only have Election Day voting for all intensive purposes). This seems to be an indication that Obama took much greater advantage of Early Voting than the McCain campaign did was able to get in much more intensive voter contact by pushing more people to polls early and then having a much smaller universe to contact on Election Day.

Heather Nordquist said...

I liked it! Anyway, maybe it will reappear (but toned down?)

BO campaign in NM highly centered around early vote. It helped with final GOTV, as over 50% had already voted.

syr93 said...

Election vote totals so far:

Barack Obama.............65,378,128
John McCain..............57,381,014
Ralph Nader.................678,024
Bob Barr....................499,314
Chuck Baldwin...............180,449
Cynthia McKinney............146,396
Alan Keyes...................36,131
Ron Paul.....................19,852
Gloria La Riva................7,435
Roger Calero..................7,197
Brian Moore...................6,563
None of the Above.............6,251
Richard Duncan................3,703
James Harris..................2,597
Charles Jay...................2,346
John Joseph Polacheck.........1,223


For a total of 124,356,623

So I keep hearing that 133-136 million people voted in the election--are there *really* 10 million or more ballots still out?

livemild said...

here in roswell we never got called or visited.

my sister in NC was given what she called a google like satellite pic of an area and was told that there were 20 votes there and she needed to find them-this was a very repub and populated area. they never found the elusive 20...

btw. the bud clydsedale horse wagon was here in rosell this afternoon and my mom said they drew a bigger crowd then mccain did here.
who said roswell had no class

Davy said...

@Heather

I think Sean may have been posting after a few beers

Davy said...

Now everybody's sitting around refreshing their browsers trying to be the first commentator.

Campaign withdrawal is hard.

Heather Nordquist said...

@livemild

You poor thing in Roswell. Next election, I will arrange a special canvassing trip to Roswell from the North. LOL

@davy

I love the drunk posts! It was so passionate! I fought the sign fight here with the McCain people. They had lots of signs, just not lots of votes. Just goes to show

@everyone

I propose that NM is the new bellwether!! Who's with me? I gave explanation for 2000. Seems reasonable, doesn't it?

sfergus483 said...

NM is hardly a new bellwether. From 1912 -1972 (all of its elections, since 1912 was its first) it was 100% right.

Illinois used to be the best big state bellwether until 1976.

Andy JS said...

Regarding the Minnesota Senate Race, in the vast majority of the 87 counties in the state there was very little difference between the number of votes cast in the Presidential election and the Senate election.

For example, in Sherburne County the totals were:
Presidential election - 44,857
Senate election - 44,659

But over the whole state there is a difference of 17,661 votes in the currently published results; (Presidential - 2,900,759; Senate - 2,883,098).

7 counties in MN had a difference of more than 500 votes, (greater numbers of presidential voters):

1. Hennepin - 4,985 (+0.76%)
2. Ramsey - 2,720 (+0.99%)
3. Dakota - 993 (+0.44%)
4. Olmsted - 893 (+1.18%)
5. Anoka - 729 (+0.40%)
6. Washington - 629 (+0.46%)
7. Winona - 609 (+2.24%)

Percentages in brackets represent the increase in voting from senate to presidential. The average for the state was +0.61%, so some of those counties listed actually had a smaller than average increase for the state - with their large populations causing the higher numbers.

A few other counties had a percentage difference of more than 1%, although the absolute numbers involved were less than 500 votes:

Houston County - 180 (+1.69%)
Lake of the Woods County - 42 (+1.86%)
Pennington County - 68 (+1.01%)
Rock County - 55 (+1.12%)

I'm not trying to prove anything with these figures, since people in those counties might have just been less interested in voting in the senate election than the presidential election. I thought I'd post the figures anyway for people to take a look at.

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margaret said...

We were doing "second pass" canvassing in Va on Sunday 11/2. We all thought we were supposed to skip the people who were marked as already contacted (that would have been the day before) and were dumbfounded to be told otherwise.

So we are really supposed to be contacting people 5 and 6 times? No wonder they were getting cranky.

Duncan said...

I think it was mule tard's absurd and vulgar comments that made Sean withdraw that newer post.

Mule ass did his best to ruin this site and often succeeded. He is the bane of 538's existence.

AndrewCA said...

@Davy & margaret

its gratifying isn't it? I know what you mean with your concerns that there could be a downside to having so many "touches" for particular voters, and it is understandable that they would get pissed. However, while I had misgivings about that aspect of canvasing (I too met people who were really angry because they had been contacted so many times), I still think that it was a good strategy for two reasons.
1. For those who were inclined not to vote for Obama but had been contacted numerous times, the experience must have been a little demoralizing. The frequency of our visits had to give the impression that Obama had even more supporters going to other doors just as frequently and even more who weren't going to doors at all, but still intending to vote.
2. I doubt that the negative experience of having so many visits really caused NV Obama supporters to go to the polls and vote for McCain. If anything, they didn't vote at all, and that was probably happened to a very small percentage of those we contacted.
Despite the negative experience and crankiness, obviously it had the effect of getting many people to the polls.

I seriously doubt that there was any significant "law of diminishing returns" because of too many visits.

wv: "spatc", the kind of rain showers we are experiencing today in Nor. Cal.

Matthew H said...

Nate, you've got the causality wrong.

The 0 number being at -3 just means the polls were improved by Obama 3 points by GOTV, both nationally and (on the average) per state. If Obama's and McCain's GOTV numbers had been equal, Obama's poll numbers would be 3 points less.

GOTV doesn't just affect the actual vote, it affects the polls as well. I would have guess the '0' number would be less, like -5.

Duncan said...

I fear for Nate and Sean's life sometimes. That mule critter has made some pretty threatening gestures towards them.

If I were them, I'd be scared as hell that that egomaniacal bastard would hunt me down and kill me.

Now that they've achieved celebrity status, they're much easier targets. Mule turd seems evil enough to do something like that.

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livemild said...

andy js-
thanks for the #'s.

i found this article on huffington dont know if it has been posted. the machines might explain the voting differences
here's the link
http://www.pubrecord.org/politics/474-e-voting-machines-used-in-disputed-franken-coleman-race-failed-tests.html

asym said...

Interstices, your second thought is right. I was canvassing in Vegas the last four days, and on Tuesday we were knocking every possible voter who hadn't voted yet three times.

That doesn't count the six a.m. shift, where we quietly hung door hangers printed with their polling-place location, without knocking.

We'd been to all those doors just about every day over the weekend/Monday. We could do this, because there were a ton of volunteers--young, old, local, northern Californian like myself (Reno had so many northern-Californian volunteers they sent everyone from California to the Vegas area who signed up the last week; in October I'd driven to Carson City, much closer, to canvass there.)

The area organizers were young, but we volunteers included lots of middle-aged and older people. The Drive for Change website aided this considerably, as did the fact that canvassers and phone bankers also asked every Obama supporter if they could spend some time volunteering! Grass roots squared.

Another Mike said...

Franken Now Leads in Minnesota

Good ole Al may have pulled ahead. We'll get 60 yet!

Willow said...

Barack Issues Thank You to Volunteers

Nice to see that Barack is gracious to those who made this all possible.

Andy JS said...

syr93:

California has 2.7 million votes to count, according to the Secretary of State's website:

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/c-status08/total_unprocessed_ballots08.pdf

Obama is still only on 6.37 million votes in California, which is less than the 6.75 million votes Kerry polled, so I certainly think there are more votes to come from there, as the link indicates.


With those counties listed above in my previous post about the Minnesota Senate Race, most of the difference in votes comes from Hennepin and Ramsey counties. This is how they voted in the presidential election:

Hennepin County - Obama 64%, McCain 34%.
Ramsey County - Obama 66%, McCain 32%.

chrish60 said...

WARNING:

Those two link in the posts from 'Willow' and 'Another Mike' take you to porn sites. Also Willow and Mike appear to be the same person....

And I was really hoping to see that Franken was ahead. Gay sex just wasn't the same. YMMV of course.

hark said...

Obama and McCain have about 122.8 million votes between them. Bush and Kerry had 121.1 million. Just using the population increase projects the 2004 total to about 125.5 million. The votes have been coming in very slowly the last 24 hours, so it doesn't seem there will be many more, not even a million.

So what happened to the titanic turnout we were told about? It doesn't appear it even matches 2004, per capita.

And although Obama's margin of victory was substantial, not a landslide but pretty good, when you factor in that he ran the best campaign in history, had a huge advantage in campaign funds, that McCain ran the worst campaign in history and sacrificed his reputation as a straight talker and Maverick, and finally that Bush was arguably the worst president in history with over 80% of the electorate screaming for change, it doesn't look all that hot going forward. Subtract the eleventh hour meltdown on Wall Street, and this thing would have been a squeaker.

Andy JS said...

hark:

California always seems to have quite a long delay before they count their unprocessed ballots; I remember that from the last election. Washington state still has about 10% of its regular vote to come in. I'd be surprised if we don't see some more votes from Alaska some time, although obviously that won't increase the national total very much.

Overall, I think there will be at least 3-4 million more votes. I say that mainly because of the 2.7 million outstanding votes in California.

The current total is 124.4 million, compared to 122.3 million last time. But, as you point out, we need to hit about 127 million just to keep up with population growth since 2004. It would be disappointing to miss that target, and end up with a lower percentage turnout this time after all the hype and reports about huge queues, etc.

GoldenAh said...

Yet, the Obama Team still "loses" Missouri... How strange. How odd.

Surprised and stunned by Indiana's results. I expected, like your projection, for it to be Missouri-win, Indiana-loss. Well, people can be unpredictable.

BobEL said...

A bit Off-Topic, but ...

CONGRATULATIONS to the 8 people in King County, Texas who voted for Obama-Biden!! That seems to be the very reddest of all counties in the USA, with a mere 5% vote for Obama & 93%for McCain (per the CNN map). Several other counties in the northern part (near the OK panhandle) also were in the single digits. Wonder why that area so extremely red?

Anonymous said...

It's pretty simple why those areas are as red as they are. Maybe this article will enlighten you.

The Reddest of America

trialsanderrors said...

So I keep hearing that 133-136 million people voted in the election--are there *really* 10 million or more ballots still out?

That was simply a misinterpretation of the available information. What happened is that the core group of voters voted earlier than last time, which was interpreted as a sign that more voters would vote. But as a number of observers told me, there was hardly any traffic in the last hours of voting, so it seems like it was really just a time shift. One obvious reason might be that this election wasn't nearly as close as the last two.

syr93 said...

Andy thanks for your response!

trialsanderrors said...

Missouri's reputation as "bellwether" is founded on the fact that it closely matches the countrywide median in a number of key demographic dimesnions, so no matter what topics drive the election, Missouri voters are likely to respond to them in similar numbers as the whole country. One difference that mattered this time is that Missouri has 12% African Americans, and the USA has 13%. That was enough to keep Obama from winning...

Martin said...

What do y'all make of this, though? http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15422.html

Andy JS said...

What happened in Missouri in this election didn't surprise me, for this reason: in 2004, all of the states which Kerry won were either on the coast or on the border with another country; (Illinois sort of fits this description if you take Lake Michigan as a non-state area adjacent to both Canada and Illinois). It looked like this was some kind of trend in American politics - for "interior" areas to refuse to support the Democrats. So of the 10 front-line target states for Obama to flip in 2008, the one I thought he might fail to win was the one which least fitted that description of Democrat-friendly states.

Although Colorado, Nevada and Iowa fit neither of those conditions, the one which least fits it is Missouri. Missouri is right in the middle of the country, far from the coast and other nations. And it turned out to be the one and only front-line target state which Obama didn't win.

Davy said...

@martin

Does seem odd, doesn't it? The only thing I can think of is that 40% of the voting populace have no compelling reason to care. Call it the 'comfortably numb' factor. People who don't struggle financially, care more about sports than politics, aren't affected by anything that government does or does not do and therefore could care less about who is running the ship.

But can there really be that many apathetic people in this country? 40%? Maybe it's denial. "Hey, nothing's affecting my world, why should I be concerned about yours?"

An interesting question: is there a way to sample voter turn-out by income? Do the well-to-do care about who is in charge? Hmmmm

BobEL said...

@Martin - re turnout:

I'm guessing many Republicans were unenthusiastic, so their turnout was down. The GOTV effort for Obama boosted turnout a lot in swing states where it mattered. But in big population non-swing states like CA, NY, IL, TX, I suppose the GOTV was not so strong. So the end result was modest turnout across the country.

jrogowski said...

@Davy

Really, is there a 'compelling reason' for the voting populace to care? You're making a lot of assumptions about the extent to which an individual's vote is pivotal in elections and the extent to which elections matter for changing the real conditions of an individual's daily life. Unless a person really gets a thrill out of taking valuable time out of her day to vote in a state whose election outcome is pretty much foreordained, I'm not sure why anyone would vote in a state where the probability of being pivotal is so low.

I also would bet that your theory is exactly backward. The wealthiest Americans have the most to lose as a consequence of policy changes, so I don't think we're seeing any evidence of post-materialist apathy. The poor, uneducated and minority subgroups are the ones most challenged to register and subsequently vote. While underrepresented groups probably feel a greater sense of inclusion in the process this year than in past elections, the fact remains that virtually nothing has been done to enable members of these groups to participate meaningfully in the political process.

Thomas said...

Too bad the survey did not look at what the contact was. A personal, face-to-face visit may have a lot more impact than a phone call (much less a robocall). The McCain campaign appears to have been almost all on the phone -- I saw no evidence of McCain canvassers while visiting hundreds of homes in VA.

jrogowski said...

@Thomas

Lots of empirical evidence suggests you're right. F2F contacts are much more impactful than virtually any other means of delivery, while phone calls (especially robocalls) have little or no effects. http://research.yale.edu/GOTV/

Heather Nordquist said...

why wouldn't New Mexico be a bellwether, it has been right except 1976 and 2000 (but 2000 was a strange year, and the margin was 366 votes in nm)? Missouri has now missed twice, and I contend that NM only missed once (1976)

Trebuchet said...

The fact the Obama did exceptionally well in big cities, and in particular those with the highest globalism ratings, bodes well for his future interactions with the world from a US perspective.

Herunar said...

I think many of you here forgot about the effect of Palin. While McCain's campaign was not as well organized as Bush's, Palin was as much liked as Bush among the religious right and hardcore conservatives. While McCain appeared to have lost a lot of votes among independents and moderates because of her, it was very much neutralized by the increased turnout in the extreme right. That may explain why Obama's numbers were lower than expected in states in the extreme South, such as GA, AL and LA.

Flinger said...

Forgive if I repeat

You may be overlloking the possibility that contacts build into the poll advantage. If half the population of a state has been contacted, and contacts influence opinion, half the survey samples are going to have been contacted as well. If anything, the linear model understates the effect of the ground game.

Andrea said...

An element of the ground game that I found worrisome in working for the Obama campaign half the time, and the Alexandria Democratic Committee the other half, was the EFFICIENCY of the ground game, and how we can make improvements. We know the Obama campaign wanted us to make those phone calls, but the lack of efficiency in having too many volunteers mixed with the erroneous data entry resulted in uncontrolled chaos. Those of us who have worked on campaigns for over 30 years had some ideas, but no one was interested in hearing them. We explained that there was a big different between working hard and working smart, and came up with a plan to work more efficiently, but that never materialized. As a result, some people were called no less than 12 times, even, embarrassingly enough, to members of our democratic City Council. Volunteers who didn't want to do the phone calls were told there was nothing else for them to do, so they went away discouraged. But there are lots of other things for them to do, so I sent them down to the ADC to volunteer on other projects. So how do we keep those kids engaged for the next time around, and train them to things other than make phone calls? How do we make them feel a part of the election if they don't want to make phone calls? Now that we've harnessed a tremendous amount of passion from this campaign, how do we sustain it? Anyone have ideas?

Andy JS said...

One of the main reasons for McCain choosing Palin was supposed to be to enthuse the Republican base, and boost their turnout on November 4th. But all the evidence is that the opposite happened. The main reason for the disappointing turnout so far seems to have been a very poor turnout of natural Republican voters.

susan said...

I saw somewhere that wealthier voters broke for Obama, and I believe they are the most likely to vote.

I too got frustrated callees who had too many visits/calls.

Love the site for breaking news.

Willow/Another Mike site designed to make it hard to leave it. You are sickos and should be BANNED.

susan said...

oops. that's Willow Another Mike link to PORN site; I repeat, they should be banned.

moondancer said...

As I commented throughout the campaign, we weren't seeing the "tightening" in Chester County Pa that the pollsters were. Looking at our frequent "touches" our voter group was growing, the undecideds were breaking our way, and we found nothing to make us worry. The results validated this as my 12 precincts all outperformed our expectations. What we found out afterwords was the local goopers abandoned three of the five races(one as a win and the other as losses) and spread direct money to the usual suspects to soften the results on those two undercard pairings.
We'll have to change their name to the Republican Syndicate if the trend of darkside campaigning continues...

PJQ49 said...

The Obama-McCain differences in contact rates are dramatically smaller than what 538's reporting would have led one to expect. Do people overestimate contacts? What gives?

F & M said...

I worked the streets of New Hampshire for eight weeks, and never saw a McCain campaigner - or literature, at a neighborhood door. In 2000 Bush won a narrow victory; in 2004, Kerry won a narrow victory; in 2008 Obama won a decisive victory. The ground game made a big difference there.

Joe said...

I was a McCain 'marshall' in virginia and yes, you torched us bad. We had stupid kids out of college running these field offices and no decent correlation with local Republican officials. Obama didn't just win this election due to Bush's unpopularity, fears of the economy and Sarah Palin's negatives; he won it due to this incredible ground organization he built -- the best money could buy! Meanwhile, McCain was paying his top staff 6-figure salaries and taking public financing. What a joke.

Katty said...

I find it hard to believe that it was even 36%/43% for McCain in OHio. The only way this could be true would be if robocalls are included. My son working for Obama was in charge of an Ohio town of 36,000 where some residents had maybe 5 or so personal visits from his team plus numerous personal phone calls. They worked their tails off. McCain had ZERO presence there. And this was repeated throughout Ohio.

And Joe above, it wasn't simply money that built Obama's ground game. The thoroughness and detail of the organization was amazing. Almost all of the workers were volunteers, and my son, 1 of 2 paid staff there, worked practically 24/7 for what amounted to maybe $4/hour. They worked so hard because they believed in their candidate, and that kind of dedication can't be bought.

George In Florida said...

My Experience:

I was contacted twice in person and once by phone (along with a few Dem robo-calls). Each time, they were looking to talk to me, instead of the two other Dems in the house. The difference was probably that I registered here in Fl last December, and the two other Dems were long time residents.

They appeared (in person) to want to make sure I knew where my early voting place was. The phone call was to verify that I had indeed voted.

A friend, upon returning from voting, had 4 robo-calls on her answering machine: Barack, Michelle, Hillary, and The Dem party.

WV:haltunbl Obviously a subliminal attempt to stop the bull coming from the UN.

stella said...

I worked with the Obama campaign in Washoe County, NV targeting the Latino community. Do you have any data on Latino turnout and new registrations for Washoe County?
And a breakdown of the Latino vote nationally?
Stella

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