10.20.2008

The Wikipedian Candidate

Jane Mayer's articulation of how Sarah Palin came to be the Republican nominee for Vice President is worth a thorough read. This passage in particular caught my eye:

In February, 2007, Adam Brickley gave himself a mission: he began searching for a running mate for McCain who could halt the momentum of the Democrats. Brickley, a self-described “obsessive” political junkie who recently graduated from the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs, told me that he began by “randomly searching Wikipedia and election sites for Republican women.” Though he generally opposes affirmative action, gender drove his choice. “People were talking about Hillary at the time,” he recalled. Brickley said that he “puzzled over every Republican female politician I knew.” Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, of Texas, “waffled on social issues”; Senator Olympia Snowe, of Maine, was too moderate. He was running out of options, he recalled, when he said to himself, “What about that lady who just got elected in Alaska?” Online research revealed that she had a strong grassroots following; as Brickley put it, “I hate to use the words ‘cult of personality,’ but she reminded me of Obama.”
What's funny is that I recall having nearly the same experience as Brickley (who founded a blog on Palin some 20 months ago). In researching some of the lesser-known Republican VP candidates, I came across her Wikipedia page and remember coming away fairly impressed: working mother, extremely popular in Alaska, photogenic (to say the least), more than conservative enough to please the base, but seemingly quirky and endearing enough to have significant cross-over appeal.

The problem is that Palin's faults have been precisely those sorts of things that might be difficult to detect from a Wikipedia page. For instance: her tendency to let her nerves get the better of her in interviews, her seeming lack of intellectual curiosity, and the way that her mannerisms, fairly or not, could easily become the butt of jokes. When I saw her debut event in Dayton, I was underwhelmed, asking "how will SNL and Jay Leno react?" and declaring that "this is a pick that looks better on paper than in practice".

Certainly, I was looking very wrong for a period of two or three weeks, when Palin had a honeymoon period during and immediately after the GOP convention -- one which was buoyed in no small part by the skeptical reactions of elites like me. Steve Schmidt masterfully parlayed those sorts of reactions to turn Palin into a sympathetic figure, playing both off the elite's paranoia that they don't understand the public, and the public's omnipresent desire to backlash against the elites. So ironically, even as Palin's early performances (such as her speech in St. Paul) were vastly overrated by the media, the public was convinced that she wasn't being given a fair shake.

Fortunately, the voting public is a bit more sophisticated than the media lets on. And Palin has not proven to have much staying power. In six polls conducted entirely since the VP debate was conducted on October 2nd, Palin's net favorability ratings are a -19 (the least Research 2000 tracker), a -9 (CBS/NYT), a +4 (Newsweek), a +7 (NBC/WSJ), a +8 (Rasmussen) and a +15 (CNN). Those ratings average out to a +1, which is pretty much a disaster for a candidate who's calling card is supposed to be her likability.

The other irony of Mayer's article is that Palin was not the first choice of either McCain (who preferred Joe Lieberman) nor Steve Schmidt (who preferred Mitt Romney). She was the compromise choice after those names were vetoed during the deliberation process -- not necessarily the best candidate, but the least unacceptable. Rarely does quality emerge from such a process of elimination -- ask yourself why wedding music is so bad, or airline food is so bland -- and this was no exception. In certain ways, Palin is the latest manifestation of what I call death-by-focus-group, a phenomenon made infamous by the Ford Edsel and by New Coke. In a post-Wikiepdia universe, in which the quantity of information may too easily be conflated for its quality, such mistakes may be all the easier to succumb to.

242 comments

MysticLaker said...

I believe that she directly contributed to the $150 million dollars that Obama got. I would say $50 million. No way to know, but that is my guess.

Tabula Rasa said...

death by focus group

Hmm. Is that a sign of the quantitative researcher's opinion of qualitative research?

*grinning wickedly*

liberalofdoubt said...

This shows that, if you want to win an election, you should not use Wikipedia to select your VP candidate. Who would have thought?

Kid G said...

mystic laker: damn straight. she definitely was the motivation for my $300.

livemild said...

palin was in my town of roswell yesterday. supposedly she said there was no place she'd rather be then roswell on a sunday afternoon
Is there any truths coming from her lipsticked face? people from Roswell DONT want to be in Roswell on ANY day.
ROSWELL used to be heavy repub town but thankfully the hispanic vote is turning it more demo, but still had my obama sign stolen 3 times.
i luckily missed all of it.i just wish the entire US could miss her.

LAT said...

as i tell my students--wikipedia is a great tool if you know it's limits. obviously Palin is the outer frontier of how limited wikipedia can be.

livemild said...

mystic we gave about a hundred to obama thanks largely to her!\\also sorry i used the wrong then-should have been THAN in prior post-i know better

VegnaBlitz said...

Very true. Not that, even in retrospect, Lieberman/Pawlenty/Romney would have been much better as choices. McCain has a unique brand, and the downside is the same as the upside: He can't find someone to match. His unique brand is the only reason he stood a chance in this election in the first place.

I suppose some Republicans think Romney would have been great on the economy, but I think he could be painted easily as "the cold-hearted downsizer."

bizkid23 said...

This is great news, FOR JOHN MCCAIN!

But yeah, this guy claims ownership of the Palin pick, I hope he is ridiculed for it for the rest of his life.

Kid G said...

I just want to make a point: I think that this election will end up being a lot closer electorally than some people think. I think the key is going to be Northern VA, and journalists will look back on this time and blame the loss on Joe McCain calling Northern VA communist country, Nancy Pfotenhauer implying it was a fake VA, and the proposed spending freeze, which will undoubtedly hurt the Northern VA economy with the inflation we are about to see. In the end, VA will push Barack over the top, but I think he will win by a maximum of 20 electoral votes.

Antmatic said...

Tracker Trend Summary
Zogby - O+2
DailyKos - O+2
Diageo - M+2
Battleground - Unchanged
Rasmussen - M+2

Release Schedule
Noon - Rasmussen VA
1 PM - Gallup National
5 PM - ABC Wash Post National
6 PM - Rasmussen MO, NC, FL, OH, CO
Afternoon - IBD/TIPP National

Any others?

Wild Bill said...

Has anyone written/spoken about taking the choice of running mate from the nominee and restoring it to the convention? Is it Quixotic to think that party faithful or wise heads might do better than the nominee?

Gregory said...

Gosh and I always thought that Wikipedia would work out for selecting a VP, I mean it got my classmates C-'s in High School and D-'s in college. It must be good!

Also re-requesting a percentage added to the table for 400+ electoral votes so we can see the percentage of a H.W. Bush-esue victory.

Lastly, I kind of hate the GOP now. I mean I was just watching CNN where Limbaugh and Will and others were saying that Powell's endorsement was entirely racial and that he would never endorse a white liberal candidate. I question whether he would endorse any other black liberal candidate. I hate that they can't see they've become the party of small mindedness.

Real Joe said...

sherwick said...
surely there must by ONE poll that has McCain up nationwide????

no

jnorthrop said...

@antmatic --

Thanks for that info! I'm looking forward to the Ras polls this evening.

S.G.R. said...

Nate said: "Rarely does quality emerge from such a process of elimination -- ask yourself why wedding music is so bad, or airline food is so bland -- and this was no exception."

I can totally see that. She's the political equivalent of the "Grease" medley or cardboard-consistency roast chicken in a foil tray. And I gave $150 a week to Obama in September largely because of her.

Audient said...

Palin is "New Coke."

I like it.

Now will some please pull it off the market and bring us Conservative Classic? The real thing!

Kid G said...

Speaking of Ras polls, 50-46 today.

Brother Wolf said...

"Death by focus group"

I love it maybe you should consider a book by this title. Thank-you Nate for all o the time you put into this project and this website. We all appreciate it - well the Trolls don't seem too.

I am very curious about the project to detect voter fraud using statistical models - in the last two presidential election cycles I have read about various people attempting to do this. Can write a post on these projects and if any of the m have any merit?

Thanks Again for this amazing service.
Shameless Self Promotion

LAT said...

antmatic--I know PPP has polls in the field in IN and FL coming out tomorrow maybe?

Wasn't there a Seltzer poll of IN coming out too?

Antmatic said...

Nate, since when are you an "elite"?

slicknickshady said...

Rass State Predictions?

Obama: Will lead in VA, MO, CO, NC, and FL.

Maccain: OH

slicknickshady said...

I really want a Seltzer poll.

SHERWICK said...

DailyKos was +1 for Obama today not +2

jnorthrop said...

@antmatic - "Nate, since when are you an "elite"?"

When he decided to go to Yale... Can't get much more Northeast Liberal Elite than that ;)

Robert said...

Palin is why I started to donate time and money to Obama. I can't believe she hasn't eliminated all of McCain's votes yet.

You have to be one committed Republican to look past how many ways she disqualifies her ticket as a safe bet for our country's future. The McCain campaign aggressively (saying on the record) to try to avoid the huge economic issues we're facing to focus on smear attacks shouldn't help him either.

(White Baptist male who previously donated to McCain in 2000 and early in 2008)

Chi said...

Hello people!

So, what was the big North Korea announcement? I've gone through most of the media's websites this morning and I can find anything.

LAT said...

oh and the morning call PA tracker comes out in the afternoon too no?

I bet Rass will show Obama up in MO but tightening by a point tr the same everywhere else. Thoughts?

Darío said...

Today´s polls are before Powell.
Let´s see the results on wednesday.

slicknickshady said...

Wow...RASS has Joe The Plumber Favorbility ratings. lol.

44% view joe the plumber favorbily and 41% view him unfavoribly. lol.

SHERWICK said...

Hope Ras shows tightening across the board. This is no time for complacency!

SHERWICK said...

dario, what effect do you think Powell will have on the polls?

Darío said...

I don´t know sherwick.

Voice of the Midwest said...

I think about the amount of pressure on John McCain in the latter half of August by ideologues within the campaign to chose Palin. It could not have been one advisor to cause a tectonic shift toward Palin to move him: it had to be a herd mentality.

"John, you have very little credibility with the Christian right. This solves that problem. Plus, the package ain't bad and some things she did were 'mavericky'".

McCain had to be at his breaking point. For years, he had talked about his resolve as a POW helping in standing up to the ideologues on the right and left. Now he was facing the most important decision in his political life and he could not stand up to hired help.

McCain chose wrong and basically said to 2/3rds of the electorate that he was neither a maverick nor a "different Republican". Forty years of personal discipline sacrificed at the alter of gimmick politics.

McCain/Palin will still get 45% of the vote. Take away the most diehard red states of rural dimension and the ticket will be hardpressed to get to 35%.

This was not the choice of a candidate looking to bring the country together. This was the choice of a weak candidate who believed his paid handlers when they said division in the country works for us.

Too bad the economy trumps the red herring issues that cause division to the benefit of the GOP.

slicknickshady said...

The race is still stable according to that rass poll.

Obama has been between 50-52 and Mccain has been between 44-46.

Rob S said...

I think Romney would have been a better choice, though it probably wouldn't have excited the base. They could have run an experience campaign that may have resonated due to the economic crisis. They also would have actually been putting country first to put a guy who most believe has enough experience/knowledge to be president.

I think Lieberman would have been a very bad choice.

Eric said...

Here's the problem. The guy found her info on Wikipedia in February, 2007 in a mad search. McCain picked her in Summer '08. Her pitfalls were incredibly obvious. She's the #1 most abusrd candidate for national office in US history. I challenge anyone to come up with a worse candidate. I don't include third party arbitrary entries or primary cnadidates. It's completely impossible. #1 Ideological spectrum she's an extremist #2 She's not intellectually curious, not intelligent, and apparently thinks she is #3 Severely inexperienced #4 Doesn't mask her ineptitude well at all. I hope this shatters the GOP for 40 years.

hexennacht said...

Ah, yes. Palin: the Conservative Feminist, or the Feminist Reformer(TM). The brief momentum she caused emptied my pocketbook.

I honestly cannot wait for this to be over. It's interesting, yes, and there's always something to talk about, but my nerves are getting frayed- and my TV doesn't work! I can't imagine what it's like for the channel-surfers.

Fwiffo said...

That's an interesting contrast with Joe Biden, who seems in so many ways the exact opposite. He's not the please everyone candidate, having a habit of shooting off at the mouth, and disappointing a lot of Democrats with his cozy relationship with banks (e.g. the bankruptcy bill). I happen to think that is a good reason to take him out of the Senate. But nobody can say "oh, he just picked him to get a certain voting bloc", and he certainly wasn't the choice of a focus group or too many cooks.

-- Interview Sarah Palin --

Thomas said...

Lieberman would have been a great choice is McCain had done the real mavericky thing and come out last summer or fall and said he was running as an independent.

Romney - wouldnt have helped. Trickle down is espeically glaring when you have two guys with a combined 12 houses.

Huckabee was the real choice. A winner in the South, which is McCain's weakest area, and a populist, or at least more of a compassionate conservative than others.

IL_Grimacѐ said...

I just have to say that I love the idea of comparing Palin to the Ford Edsel or New Coke. I am curious though, do conservatives really believe that she is prepared and ready? Is being 'just like them' really enough? Or are they just playing along because they pretty much have no other option? I would like to believe that the majority of conservatives are smarter than being foolish enough to think Palin could be president. They can't all be the ridiculous stereotypes that they are made out to be.

Eric said...

I wonder if Rush Limbaugh and Cindy McCain would enjoy a few Oxycotin on November 4th?

PorridgeGun said...

These trackera are complete BULLSHIT. Both Rasmussen and Hotline are trending Obama for 2 days, then all of a sudden McCain has his strongest day for months. It's also hard to believe Battleground hasn't budged for Obama after bthe weekend. What now with Gallup? After showing big gains yesterday, they'll pull it back to 6-3-2? ABC down to 4%?


Of course, all these polls were conducted pre-Powell, but still, I find this hard to believe...it's laughable, in fact.



Don't tell me this is due to Mooseburger's SNL appearance. If so, America is fucked.

Voice of the Midwest said...

"Wasn't there a Seltzer poll of IN coming out too?"

The editorial board at the Indy StarNews commissioned Selzer for evening polling last week (four days, 800 per night). Word is they are going to solidify the numbers with an additional night of polling this week.

I could see it being published into the weekend or when they issue their endorsements next Sunday.

Their congressional endorsements went out yesterday/today.

newsfromOH said...

It's sad but I expect Cindy to have to go to rehab again after this campaign. Every time I see her, I picture a purse full of prescription bottles . . .

Thomas said...

porridge - its probably noise. We seem to have stabilized at a 5 point or so Obama lead.

Darío said...

Today´s polls are pre-Powell.

Eric said...

Robert said...
Palin is why I started to donate time and money to Obama. I can't believe she hasn't eliminated all of McCain's votes yet.

You have to be one committed Republican to look past how many ways she disqualifies her ticket as a safe bet for our country's future. The McCain campaign aggressively (saying on the record) to try to avoid the huge economic issues we're facing to focus on smear attacks shouldn't help him either.



This is precisely what's happened throughout the country. It's being under-reported for a few reasons. Sarah Palin is the sole reason that John McCain has no chance of winning the election. Talking heads with their head in the sand like Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanon can't see the forest for the trees because they're socail conservatives. They want to believe the economy sunk McCain. That could have been overcome. Sarah Palin cannot. I believe over 50% of the country will not vote for a ticket with Sarah Palin on it under any circumstances. End of story.

slicknickshady said...

The RNC is going to file to challenege election results on Nov 5 based on their voter fraud allegations.

That is getting desperate. It's not even fraud.

Real Joe said...



McCain has $47 million to spend in October

(AP) — Republican presidential candidate John McCain reports spending $37 million in September and has $47 million for the campaign in October.
McCain's monthly financial report filed with the Federal Election Commission shows he had $47 million in the bank at the start of October. McCain is no longer raising funds because he is participating in the presidential election public financing system. That restricts his spending to $84 million between early September and Election Day Nov. 4.

McCain's numbers stand in sharp contrast to those of Barack Obama, his Democratic rival. Obama is not participating in public financing and raised a record-shattering $150 million in September.

newsfromOH said...

Although her "experience" has been touted with straight faces, one facet of experience is most critical and that is the experience to know how to handle power.

Everyone has had to deal with the person who, upon getting the smallest bit of power, lacks the self-awareness to wield their power wisely, whether it's on a condo board, school board, office manager, whatever.

Palin is clearly one of those who can't (at least yet, I'll be generous) handle power appropriately.

soozzie said...

Palin was worth $1650 to Obama from me. Otherwise, I would not have contributed at all.

Voice of the Midwest said...

"Obama has been between 50-52 and Mccain has been between 44-46."

By Friday, the floors and ceilings for either side will have been met in regard to their respective high points on average for polling.

McCain cannot break 45% on average in ten key states that went red in 2004. Obama is breaking 55% in ten states where Bush won barely or Kerry barely won.

Current national floor to ceiling numbers for Obama and McCain:

Obama: Floor 47% Ceiling 52%

McCain: Floor 41% Ceiling 45%

Coattails for Obama start at 52%.

Winning states w/in MOE at current depend on McCain hitting 48%.

Beau said...

Well said Nate -- I agree with previous posters, publishing a book on politics should be in your future. I'd buy it.

PorridgeGun said...

I see Rasmussen is back to undermining his credibilty by conducting laughable Republican push polls. He's polled Joe the Dipshit's favorability rating, and later today he's releasing a poll on ACORN. This reminds me his push polling on the "librul" media's unfair treatment of Mooseburger.


I think it's safe to say Scotty Razz is back shilling for McCain.

Jeremy said...

What is this airline "food" you speak of? I haven't been served a meal on a plane in years!

newsfromOH said...

I, as eric stated, am one of those who could never, under any circumstanes vote for a ticket with Sarah Palin on it. I, like Robert, began donating and volunteering for Obama after her nomination.

They could have given me my ballot that day because there was nothing, absolutely nothing, that the O ticket could have done to lose my vote at that point. Gladly, the Obama campaign has only continued to amaze me.

craigw5 said...

If you take Pat Buchanan's and Joe Scarborough's word for it, she'll be ready to be Jeb Bush's running mate in 2010.

I wonder if emotional depth, or intellectual curiosity are phrases that have meaning for cultural conservatives?

I've wondered if the PBS "NOW" program that interviewed Palin a few months before McCain picked her had anything to do with it. It seemed like they painted her as a reformer, without getting into her as a person at all. Maybe Steve Schmidt thought, "hey, those lefties at PBS like her, maybe she'll be attractive to Hillary's supporters?"

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/347/index.html

SHERWICK said...

So McCain had $47m left at the start of October and Obama had about $150m left at the start of October (given that he raised $150 in September and possibly spent what he had left before the start of September). Also Obama is continuing to raise $$$ now.
Hmmmm, McCain down to, what, $20m now?

tjmckenn said...

Airline food is bad because of the altitude and humidity, not because they need to cater to mass market tastes.

newsfromOH said...

In addition to "The fundamentals of the economy are strong", I think the second most incorrect thing McCain said was "I'm afraid Senator Obama doesn't understand the difference between a tactic and a strategy."

Chi said...

Palin's chickens are going to come home to roost when she goes back to Alaska. Troopergate is far from over. Now she's been investigated for other issues such as her new house. I, for one, do not know what either McCain was thinking when he chose her or what she was thinking when she accepted the offer.

obamamama505 said...

Did no one think to wonder how non-ultraconservative women would respond to Palin? I've read several articles that claim to have the answers as to why women are responding so negatively to her: all of which seem to boil it down to "she's pretty." Which I find just as offensive as the fact that Palin was selected. I (and every woman I know, whether they like or dislike her) don't care what she looks like. What I (and my friends) are so offended by is that a) she reflects poorly on all women by appearing to be so dim-witted; b) her extremism on abortion; c) the fact that apparently she was selected because naturally all women would vote for ANY woman over any qualified man, which insults us all. I've heard all these comments from an incredibly wide political spectrum of women.

entitycyber said...

What I see from the Republican party is a continued projection of arrogance, a lack of principled leadership, and an inability to reach consensus at the highest levels.

Karl Rove, having hacked the electorate for decades, having (for now) escaped prosecution for his unethical behavior has managed to formulate the improbable -- a coalition of poor, uneducated voters and wealthy, trickle-down-sounds-just-fine-and-by-the-way-welfare-mothers-are-the-real-problem voters. It is an impressive feat if one can for a time suspend one's sense of humanity and enjoy only the mathematical and social engineering aspects of it.

I credit Howard Dean greatly for the million-points-of-and-enthusiasm-and-funding, grass-roots campaign style that he has promoted. I believe that it leverages the technological innovations of the current age in a positive way, much as the same innovations have been leveraged negatively, in my view, by Rovian Republicans for some time.

I am greatly impressed by the timing of the Powell endorsement. He showed the careful deliberation of a master military strategist, and once again, Mr. Obama has demonstrated by his associations the kind of team he intends to lead with, and the kind of excellence he expects in those who implement the platform and policies he is promoting.

I recognize that campaigns are required to attract people of differing priorities in order to achieve the numeric superiority for election. I believe that at some level Roves equations are unable to deliver the kind of local maxima they once could, and more so this election because of the things like the economy, which no amount of circus-stunt gimmickry can compensate for.

Also in the favor of the Democratic party is the distributed nature of their ground game, which does not allow people like Kenneth Blackwell of Ohio or Katherine Harris of Florida to single-handedly change the course of enough state elections to their favor.

I believe the Republican party is at a disadvantage both financially and popularly in great measure because it is expensive to convince enough people to do that which is economically harmful to them. In order to prevail, they must convince disparate (largely through the use of so-called "wedge" issues) to support seemingly self-defeating positions. This is what the comedian John Leguizamo called "Roaches for Raid" ( http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Leguizamo ).

I am hopeful that Barack Obama and a sizable majority of Democratic candidates prevail, because in my view they represent the best opportunity to heal the wounds inflicted by those who have used wealth and power to maintain their control, while only trickling down a steady flow of lubricant to slow the climb of those trying to climb the pole of opportunity.

I judge this to be the most exciting development in my lifetime since the lunar landing of 1969.

I dearly hope that we feel on November 5, 2008 the same sense of shared pride and wonder that we had on 21 July 1969. Given the enormity of the task at hand, I believe I will.

Marty Connor

Thomas said...

That doesnt even make sense. Is food in Denver also awful?

I always figured that the food was awful because they made it really cheap. No one is making their choice based on the food (at least not in coach), so why waste money making decent food. If you come in a dollar lower on the price of the flight you probably get the fare.

newsfromOH said...

Mc/Lieberman would have been the most boring ticket on the face of the earth. How many people would show up to a Lieberman rally other than those advised by their doctors to get more sleep?? He is the black hole of charisma and drains it from anyone within his sizable field of gravity

liberal_defender_of_freedom said...

If anything else, she's made the word "Mavericky" stylish again.

PA John said...

"Today´s polls are pre-Powell."

They due include one day of polling with the endorsement.

@Porridgegun
Nate pointed out Obama had a very good Thursday and that number dropped off today. He also had a huge night drop off in the Hotline poll, which, had this thing down to a 1% Obama lead 2 weeks ago, if you recall.

MysticLaker said...

Nate,

I think you need to kick some zogby ass...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/18/MN5V13HOJF.DTL

Pollster John Zogby said he doesn't know FiveThirtyEight "from a hole in the wall" and found Pollster.com to be "very inside baseball for geeks." In general though, he said that "polling aggregation is a good thing" because it enriches political discourse.

takestock said...

I doubt Obama spent all $150m in Sept. He probably had a good bit leftover from the big haul in August too. He's probably sitting on at least $150m right now wondering how to spend it all in two weeks with new money coming in almost as fast as he can spend it.

And no wonder Hillary has been campaigning so much for him.

Eric said...

soozzie said...
Palin was worth $1650 to Obama from me. Otherwise, I would not have contributed at all.

This is another part of the equation. Not only are there millions of leaners and undecideds who are running away from any /Palin ticket, but the donation/volunteering thing could be huge. The money issue is a big deal. For anyone that's played RISK a fair amount, if you spread your opponent too thin, they're hopeless. $150 million in September!!!! That is absolutely crazy. McCain's camp knows it too. He can't plug up all of the holes in the dam. If Obama wants to spend $5MM in West Virginia and $10MM in Missouri, what exactly is McCain supposed to do about it? I don't think Obama would've raised near the $$$ he is if not for Palin. He had been raising $50-70MM, the natural progression at the end might have gotten him to around $100MM, but $150MM!!! Unless the RNC is sitting on a boatload of cash, Obama will outspend McCain in every battleground. This is in large part due to APlin. I'd say she's worth more than $85MM for Obama and almost nothing for McCain since he can't take money. He wants to complain about it. Hilarious. It's his stupid law.

newsfromOH said...

Beautifully said, Marty

PorridgeGun said...

Thomas said...

porridge - its probably noise. We seem to have stabilized at a 5 point or so Obama lead.


Yeah, but given the last couple days, without Powell's endorsement, there has been no negative headdines for Obama. It's been all positive. That why I said these trackers are bullshit. Battleground had Obama +13 last monday. I mean, even Zogby is trending Obama. SCREWY.



I'm now convinced these slight gains are due to Letterman/SNL. There is no other explanantion, pre-Powell.

Antmatic said...

New SurveyUSA Minnesota
O-50
M-44

PLEASE NOTE: SurveyUSA has typically polled Minnesota tighter than other firms. The last SurveyUSA poll showed McCain winning 47-46. So this poll represents a 7 point swing towards Obama.

Seretse said...

I anticipate that this Virginia Poll will be quite quite close.

Polls are almost always within MOE and McCain+ when Rass decides to release them earlier than others.

GARF FILTER said...

Maybe i should start smoking the drugs these head up their ass types are doing. palin has to be the worst national ticket pick since eagleton.

man, i hope dems not only win the white house, but stomp on the GOP's ass in the congress. man, i would be great to get some shit done for this country or i will see you all in the toilet with the GOP scum who put us there.....

GET OUT AND VOTE, GET YOUR FRIENDS OUT TO VOTE AND THEIR FRIENDS OUT TO VOTE.

DONT BE COMPLACENT THE GOP WILL SCREW YOU IF THEY CAN!!!


GOBAMA!!!!

eve said...

Really enjoyed this post, Nate.

I think the selection of Palin also reflects the disdain the GOP has for the voter. They learned from Atwater and Rove that voters can be influenced by manipulating emotional hot buttons. That seems to be very true, but they overplayed that hand with Palin. They ignored that voters also want someone they see as intelligent, capable, and trustworthy.

One emotional hot button I think did play into why Palin is so unpopular with many of us. We have a president that has embarrassed us over and over on the world stage. As a potential representative of the US, Palin embarrasses us.

Eric said...

GOP Guerrilla tactics could stave it off, but it's possible that because of campaign finance reform the Republicans could be totally screwed. The law was to prevent big donors and lobbyists to gain power through large donations. Perfect. Now, through grassroots and internet efforts, the Obama camp has a 4,000,000+ donor machine. I don't believe the GOP will ever be able to match it. I also don't believe that the GOP can change the law since Dems will be running things for a while. The one thing the GOP has going for it is their opponent is the "Mommy" justice Dem party as opposed to the "Daddy" by any means necessary GOP. In other words, if the Dems think the law is unfair, they may change it, even if it's against their best interest. I hope not!

michiganmaine said...

Doesn't the Obama campaign have to say how much they had left over at the end of September?

I bet they had about a 5 to 1 advantage over the McCain campaign. And, of course, they can keep raising more.

McCain is running down on money now. Probably has something like 20 to 25 million left at most. Obama probably $100 million.

PA John said...

"I'm now convinced these slight gains are due to Letterman/SNL. There is no other explanantion, pre-Powell."

I disagree.. the two polls he gained had a HUGE Obama night (Thursday) drop off. He gained in 2 others. These polls are following a symbionic pattern in rising and falling. Also in the Battleground poll Obama is actually +7 in a poll with 3rd party candidates, showing McCain's support is a bit softer.

Antmatic said...

Regarding cash, the RNC had about $77 million on hand at the end of September, McCain had $47 million, so a total of about.

Obama has probably raised at leas another $50 to $75 million in October already on top of $150 million last month.

Eric said...

SHERWICK said...
So McCain had $47m left at the start of October and Obama had about $150m left at the start of October (given that he raised $150 in September and possibly spent what he had left before the start of September). Also Obama is continuing to raise $$$ now.
Hmmmm, McCain down to, what, $20m now?



This could be wrong, I don't have a link, I'll look for it. I heard a few weeks ago that the RNC had about $200MM stashed for the end. Anyone know what I'm talking about? It would be a good move to try to keep it hush hush and they blow it all the last 7-10 days, without the Dems being able to counter.

newsfromOH said...

I think Palin and Obama are flip sides of the same coin, demonstrating the best and the worst of succeeding outside the world of the white male. While I believe that overt racism and sexism have declined greatly over most of this country, there are still countless daily small slights that sting anyone out of the majority. In business and politics, it's the straight white males that control "the culture". I don't mean this as a matter of intent at all. It just happens.

Obama has managed to wind his way through the system developing his extraordinary unflappability. There's a story online about him visiting a diner in NC yesterday. Some people refused to shake his hand. How many people could face that without being upset? I'm sure Obama was upset the first time it happened but this is probably the 10,000th time for him . . .

Palin, on the other hand, relied on her winks, rather than intellect. She gamed the system not by rising above it, but by pandering to it. Women know this better than men (at least women who have succeeded) and despise it.

Eric said...

Seretse said...
I anticipate that this Virginia Poll will be quite quite close.

Polls are almost always within MOE and McCain+ when Rass decides to release them earlier than others.

Is FAIRFAX th only county in Virginia that can vote early?

michiganmaine said...

New Hampshire Research 2000 Obama 50, McCain 43 Obama +7


http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081020/BREAK/810200299

slicknickshady said...

I was just about to post that.

Bex of Ambridge said...

Absolutely fascinating to read these posts about Palin, especially all those people that have given money to Obama specifically since and due to her pick. I would absolutely love some figures on the percentage Obama made due to Palin, but I suppose that would be pretty hard research to do.

@eve:
I think you have nailed it with the embarrassment factor. Every European I know is absolutely astonished by the Palin pick.

newsfromOH said...

garf filter,

at least eagleton got treatment to straighten out his head! Ergo, Palin is the worst ever

Voice of the Midwest said...

"Maybe Steve Schmidt thought, "hey, those lefties at PBS like her, maybe she'll be attractive to Hillary's supporters?""

It is this line of thinking among the advisors in the GOP that will have to go away if there is an Obama/Democratic landslide.

You know the line of thinking: villify institutions so the average guy can have a kick at the strawman, too. Multiply our base by dividing all of the people. Reduce the electorate by telling them government and public institutions are ALL worthless. Scare good people away from public service. Create a cultural generation of people who look inward instead of beyond themselves.

If the GOP is left with House and Senate members who only represent the Southern/Plain states conservatism and keep playing the division game, then they face a generation of recovery in the electoral market.

They need a new message. They need a new approach. They need to purge the bench and find an original set of ideologues who are not tied to Reaganism. They will not get far saying the same thing over and over again.

The reason why Gingrich and Co. won a majority in 1994 is because 40% of their caucus came from swing districts or were ideological moderates. Those folks were purged by the far right in the past 14 years.

The new Republican Party will HAVE to be more moderate to win. Otherwise, they face a Democratic majority of voters for thirty years.

michiganmaine said...

"I heard a few weeks ago that the RNC had about $200MM stashed for the end. Anyone know what I'm talking about? It would be a good move to try to keep it hush hush and they blow it all the last 7-10 days, without the Dems being able to counter."


They can't keep it "hush, hush."

gregory said...

The second debate was a big turning point--the way McCain walked (due to injury) made him look anything but spry and highlighted his advanced age. He just didn't look healthy--so suddenly the abstract notion that his running mate could become POTUS became frighteningly real to many people. The Palin Effect may be more potent on November 4 than the Bradley Effect. Many Republicans just will not be able to pull the lever and put Sarah Palin a 72-year-old heartbeat away from the Oval Office.

Jeff said...

MystikLaker said "I believe that she directly contributed to the $150 million dollars that Obama got."

I made a point of donating to Obama every time I saw her on TV.

It's been clear since the start that the only reason she fought any corruption in Alaska was to make room for her own brand of corruption. She is petty, mean, and shows no interest in facts. Like Bush, she lives for wedge issues and views complex policy in terms of "us against them." She makes Cheney look like Gandhi by comparison.

I don't see how anyone could mistake her for a Christian.

Eric said...

PA John said...
"I'm now convinced these slight gains are due to Letterman/SNL. There is no other explanantion, pre-Powell."

I disagree.. the two polls he gained had a HUGE Obama night (Thursday) drop off. He gained in 2 others. These polls are following a symbionic pattern in rising and falling. Also in the Battleground poll Obama is actually +7 in a poll with 3rd party candidates, showing McCain's support is a bit softer.


I'm a straight-shooter. Keeping it real, McCain was pathetic on Letterman. Palin was almost non-existent on SNL. They could not have gained from either. I watched both. The only media event that could have been a net positive for McCain/PAin was the ALfred Smith Dinner. McCain was thoroughly likable and funny and charming there. I didn't know that John McCain still existed. They showed that roast incessantly on CNN and MSNBC. I imagine many saw it. Later that same night Letterman tore him up though. He was pathetic. Two sides of the man, back to back.

hermance said...

Nate, I love your analysis, but have to disagree with your final conclusion. She is not death by focus group because SHE WASN'T EVEN FOCUS GROUPED. As the New Yorker piece points out, her pick was part Brindley but also part neocon elites, like Bill Kristol, who went to visit her in Alaska and were "dazzled." It seems like about five guys chose her, and the only "focus group" info they looked at were her Alaska approval ratings. There was not even an attempt to try her out in front of people in a national context before they selected her.

I hate to say this for fear of seeming reductionist, but I think this pick was a combination of (1) McCain not being able to pick whom he wanted and (2) sexism. (1) is clear, I think. (2): I really think the men--and they were all men--who thought she would be a good choice were wowed by her good looks and the fact that she didn't intimidate them or seem like an ice queen. I think they saw a female Bush--someone whom the American public could displace whatever kind-hearted aspirations they wanted to onto her, even though she was in fact an extremely ambitious politician--who surprisingly had even more ambition but even less intellectual curiosity and way less political acumen than Bush.

It's worth asking if Hutchison had been younger and a former beauty queen, if she wouldn't be up there instead.

Foregone Conclusion said...

"She makes Cheney look like Gandhi by comparison."

I like it.

Seriously, McCain would actually have been better replacing all his advisers with Joe the Plumber. Hell, he'd still go down in flames but at least it'd be cheaper.

Real Joe said...



Concord Monitor poll: Obama up 7 in New Hampshire

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081020/BREAK/810200299/1030

wombat said...

I am beginning to think that the presidential race is going to be pretty much static from here on out. Palin has helped energize the base but has alienated many toward the middle. ACORN will have a little traction as well as the 'tax/spend' brand and socialist tag being stuck on Obama currently. These elements would usually contribute to a tightening in the polls before the election but will be counter-balanced by Obama's huge financial advantage, the Powell endorsement and Obama's superior GOTV.

I think, therefore, with minor fluctuations that the polls will stay virtually unchanged until election day. I think that Nate's model prediction of 51.6% to 46.7% will be very close to correct. Obama will probably garner between 325 and 345 electoral votes.

Maybe my analysis is a bit boring but I think that is likely to be the way things end.

Any thoughts or comments?

Dominic said...

As Obamamama said earlier, there are specific reasons why women have reacted so negatively to Palin. I think that many women who are genuinely enthused by a competent, accomplished woman like Hillary, are appalled to then see a shallow, caricature of a woman get by on her looks and tacky "feminine wiles." Women pick up on the manipulativeness of a Sarah Palin more than men do. For instance, I think that women were particularly put off by the "wink wink" business at the debates, whereas men were simply amused.

Blue in PA said...

Has this been discussed (sorry if it has)?

Gallup "traditional" LV screen results in MORE voters than the "expanded" screen, but how is this possible? The expanded screen is designed to take only voter intentions into account, while the traditional screen takes voter intention AND past behavior into account. The traditional model should result in fewer voters being counted, not more. Yet, it consistently has more voters in it. Can someone set me straight?

Antmatic said...

Any way you slice it, the RNC / McCain camps will be outgunned by the Obama camp in spending.

A couple of weeks ago, there was some article that RNC/McCain were going to spend $160 million in joint funds in the final weeks. Well it doesn't look like they have that money, and even if they did, Obama / DNC can still outspend that amount.

Another thing is that the GOP was expecting a surge in 527 ad buying by groups like Freedom's Watch. The issue is a lot of the backers of these groups (like Sheldon Adelson) have been destroyed by the credit crunch and simply can't afford to put out the funds to match Obama's efforts.

Real Joe said...



Google CEO Eric Schmidt Endorses Obama

http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/10/google-ceo-endo.html

Diane said...

I wonder whether there could be a "Palin Effect" -- caused by people who say they are voting for McCain/Palin but can't bring themselves to do it when they get into the voting booth, because of her.

PA John said...

The only media event that could have been a net positive for McCain/PAin was the ALfred Smith Dinner. McCain was thoroughly likable and funny and charming there. I didn't know that John McCain still existed. They showed that roast incessantly on CNN and MSNBC. I imagine many saw it. Later that same night Letterman tore him up though. He was pathetic. Two sides of the man, back to back.


The Al Smith dinner didn't matter either. I mean there are so few people that actually watch CNN and MSNBC on a Thursday night, let's be real. The snippets of the event that played on the networks the next day was favorable to bith of them. And yes McCain sucked on Letterman, and Palin looked like a dolt on SNL.

PorridgeGun said...

PA John said...

I disagree.. the two polls he gained had a HUGE Obama night (Thursday) drop off. He gained in 2 others. These polls are following a symbionic pattern in rising and falling. Also in the Battleground poll Obama is actually +7 in a poll with 3rd party candidates, showing McCain's support is a bit softer.


Okay, thanks. Still pisses me off though.



Nate Silver said...

The impact of Wednesday night's debate is hard to gauge given the tracking polls that are out so far. McCain moved up in the Research 2000 and Battleground polls. Obama moved up in Diageo/Hotline and IBD/TIPP. Zogby, Gallup and Rasmussen were essentially unchanged.




Minnesota is now dead for McCain when even SurveyUSA has finally caught up with the other polls.

Seretse said...

anybody have premium membership to Rasmussen? Curious about that VA Poll

newsfromOH said...

"Another thing is that the GOP was expecting a surge in 527 ad buying by groups like Freedom's Watch. The issue is a lot of the backers of these groups (like Sheldon Adelson) have been destroyed by the credit crunch and simply can't afford to put out the funds to match Obama's efforts."

I love when they eat their own

Chi said...

Obama may have up to $500 million to spend in the last two months before November 4th. Of course, that includes the money on hand at the DNC.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=a4Pz1EAmXk50

Real Joe said...



Gore to host live webcast for Obama camp tonight

The Obama camp is doing much work under the radar, especially as it relates to TV and radio spots. Many of their ads are never released to the media, only to be spotted when they actually air in local markets.

But there are other events going on that seem to have escaped notice in the final weeks of the election.

For example, tonight over 200 families across each of the 50 states will hold house parties

According to an email from one host, the theme will be "Building the New Energy Economy."

Obama has taped a video for the get-togethers that will be aired and Al Gore will appear live via webcast to discuss energy and the environment.

While not traditional fundraisers with set amounts, supporters are encouraged to give.

The invitation I've obtained has a goal of raising $2,000 total, and asks those invited to make a small-dollar donation to help meet the goal.

Fatmop said...

At Eric:

It ain't just Risk. It's ANY strategy game. Risk is actually a worse analogy for the election than is Age of Empires, Starcraft or even EVE Online because Risk is more inherently uncertain than these others, and requires minimal resource control. The presidential campaigns are all about resource control, resources being money, infrastructure, volunteers, voter records and databases, PR, you name it.

PA John said...

"Google CEO Eric Schmidt Endorses Obama"

Is that Steve's brother???

@Blue in PA

Someone else brought up, not only that, but that the margins between RV and the LV models were impossible based on their totals. I wonder if the LV models are spread out over an extra day?

assmole said...

Some people have run out of positive things to say about Obama so they're resorting to beating up on Palin - how sad.

Hank said...

> I don't see how anyone could
> mistake her for a Christian.

That's because Palin is a "cargo cult Christian" - able to quote Scripture chapter and verse, knows all the rituals, learned the stories by heart, wields the Bible like Mace, and completely misses the essence of Christ's lessons of love, compassion, and tolerance. The world is full of people like her.

MarkTwain said...

Let's see. He uses Wikipedia to find out about Georgia after the Russian incursion. He uses Wikipedia to find a running-mate. Maybe the Republic party should scrap the McCain-Palin ticket and replace them with Larry Sanger and Jimmy Wales (who you can find out about at, you guessed it, Wikipedia).

x0lani said...

Likewise, the wikipedian choice for the Democratic VP was probably Kathleen Sibelius. Once can only wonder how that would have turned out.

Real Joe said...

assmole said...
Some people have run out of positive things to say about Obama so they're resorting to beating up on Palin - how sad.

MCCAIN 08 !!

Blue in PA said...

pa john,

Even if spread out over an extra day, how would the traditional screen result in more voters than the expanded screen? I must be missing something simple, but have yet to figure it out.

PA John said...

@seretse

Antmatic will post Rasmussen numbers if released early. He's the "go to guy" for that.

Eric said...

1st Generation Leaders:

Abraham Lincoln
Bill Clinton
Ronald Reagan
Barack Obama

Silver Spoon Leaders:

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
George H.W. Bush
George W. Bush
John McCain
Teddy Roosevelt
George Washington
John F. Kennedy


Any thoughts? additions?

Foregone Conclusion said...

"Another thing is that the GOP was expecting a surge in 527 ad buying by groups like Freedom's Watch. The issue is a lot of the backers of these groups (like Sheldon Adelson) have been destroyed by the credit crunch and simply can't afford to put out the funds to match Obama's efforts."

And yet people continue to give to Obama at unprecendented levels. Very interesting sociologically - middle-class Obama supporters are economically distinctive from middle-class Repalicans.

PorridgeGun said...

The FOX Propaganda Network/Rasmussen Monday state polls are gonna look like SHIT for Obama. They always do, even when other polls show him pulling away. Expect a few good leads for McCain.

assmole said...

real joe, fuck off.

Brooks said...

A historical note: Lincoln was picked for the exact same reason as Palin. The various supporters of the other three candidates just wouldn't give in and support any of the three. So Lincoln was picked to break the jam. Lincoln then began showing his potential for greatness: He brought the other three into his cabinet.

gregory said...

Hermance,

I think you're absolutely right. She's a male neocon's wet dream! It was their "little brains" that chose her. Kinda reminds me of comedy movies where the husband hires a young, pretty babysitter whose "assets" are obvious to him, even though her experience caring for children is thin. The wife rolls her eyes and shows the would-be nanny the door. That's just what American women are doing to Palin.

Voice of the Midwest said...

'That's because Palin is a "cargo cult Christian" - able to quote Scripture chapter and verse, knows all the rituals, learned the stories by heart, wields the Bible like Mace, and completely misses the essence of Christ's lessons of love, compassion, and tolerance. The world is full of people like her.'

Good analysis, Hank. I grew up around these people. They are hypocrites in the highest order.

Hank said...

> so they're resorting to beating
> up on Palin

Palin, and the narrow-minded political operatives that plucked her from the obscure perch on which she sat, NEED to be thumped soundly - no equivocating. On a national scale, her policies are parochial and divisive. The selection was driven by completely inverted political priorities.

This election is about repudiating the foolish (at best) direction in which the country has been led. Without a decisive result, reform is not possible, just as was true for Palin's challenge of the corrupt Alaskan GOP. A statement needs to be made and then we pick up the pieces and reassemble them into a better and more fruitful union.

Eric said...

Dominic said...
As Obamamama said earlier, there are specific reasons why women have reacted so negatively to Palin. I think that many women who are genuinely enthused by a competent, accomplished woman like Hillary, are appalled to then see a shallow, caricature of a woman get by on her looks and tacky "feminine wiles." Women pick up on the manipulativeness of a Sarah Palin more than men do. For instance, I think that women were particularly put off by the "wink wink" business at the debates, whereas men were simply amused.


This was always a given. It was just a matter of time. I don't believe if Karl Rove had been consulted, he would've been this dumb. What the GOP don't realize is the majority of these women are lost for good. You can't win them back. Women grow up in social groups with other women. It's an anthropologic, sociologic, instinct to dislike someone inferior to you that's given more than they deserve. She is extremely embarassing as a potential ceiling breaker. If the very first woman to hold high office is that woman, that's appalling. It looks as if she's the best of us. Women know that not only is she not, but they look at themselves in the mirror and say you know what, I'm more capable than she is and I'm not qualified. Or my mother is or friend or boss. We all know people that we'd consider more qualified than she is. That's ridculous, but true.

Angi said...

I love this article.

@Robert >> I have a friend who the other day told me he couldn't decide who he wants to vote for. He said that on McCain's side, Palin would be his deciding factor. He likes her ((for her looks, and the fact that she's female)). He also thinks that McCain has a more detailed fix for our economy than Obama.

He also told me later that day that he wants to start smoking to help him relax

This is the kind of person that keeps McCain in the running.

*rolls eyes*

Pot Kettle Black said...

New Coke was not a focus group problem. It was a management not understanding the market research they were getting.

I am a Coke loyalist. I like the flavor of Coke over Pepsi. This makes me, more or less, like most Americans. However, Pepsi tastes better in a sip test. It's sweeter. If you take one sip of a beverage, the sugar water with more sugar will win. This led the geniuses at Coke to determine that their product was the inferior one. They invented New Coke, it was a disaster, despite tasting pretty much like Pepsi. The key thing is, sip tests do not replicate real world use of the product. This didn't come out of focus groups. This came out of another branch of bad survey methodology.

Of course, in the short term, New Coke could be seen as the best marketing for Classic Coke (aka Coke) you could have had. It reminded everyone about the product they loved. Yes, it was expensive, but Coke has never been outsold by Pepsi since.

LAT said...

newsfromOh @ 9:30 re the two sides of the coin. I completely agree. This is why the conservatives scratch their heads and fail to see the difference between Obama and Palin. They don't get it. They also underestimate Obama.

Real Joe said...



A hint of renewed Obama emphasis in Georgia

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

That video sent out this weekend by the Barack Obama campaign includes a hint — but only a hint — of increased activity in Georgia by the Democratic presidential campaign.

The message from campaign manager David Plouffe is devoted primarily to touting Obama’s fund-raising success. But Plouffe also says this:

“You might have seen we’re now competing aggressively in the state of West Virginia, where we think we have a great chance to win. We’ve seen polls tightening in places like Georgia and North Dakota. So, we’re always on the lookout for expansion….”

We’re hearing of some tension in the Obama camp between the national organization and Georgia folks. The local camp is beating back efforts from Chicago to direct more Georgia volunteers to efforts in border states. Obama adherents in Georgia say they’ve got a chance here, and don’t want to see the local GOTV effort weakened.

PorridgeGun said...

BTW, why doesn't Rasmussen push poll the racism being demonstrated at McCain camapaign rallys, or the use of Robocalls?

He's becoming more like RCP every day.

hermance said...

Palin was the reason my husband and I donated more to Obama than we have to any other political candidate. I think we’ve donated about $150 since she was selected, which is a lot of money from our budget.

Voice of the midwest, I really like your analysis about Palin harming McCain’s brand. How can you call yourself a maverick when Sen Brownback goes on national interviews and says that the party wouldn’t let you choose the running mate you wanted? It’s abundantly clear to everyone, except the most head-in-the-sanded, that Palin was not McCain’s first or even second choice. But he chose her to appease his base. This undermined both his experience message and his maverick message all at once, and I’m surprised that more people haven’t called him out for destroying the maverick/independent image with this choice. As soon as he picked her, he had no brand left but “POW,” and consequently that is what we’ve been hearing about, which is not very persuasive during such difficult times.

@obamamama505, I think Palin offends a lot of GOP women (not necessarily the ultra conservative ones, whom I think like her) is that there are experienced, intelligent women in the party, and it is very clear that none of them even made the consideration list.

I am unsure whether Romney or Huckabee would have taken the VP gig. Maybe Romney, but I really doubt Huckabee. Those guys are pretty smart and had to be aware of the trouble that McCain might get into. Their “identities” don’t match well with McCain, and I think they both would have wanted to keep their eyes on the prize for 2012. I think they only would have agreed if McCain would have made a lot of compromises, including promising to not run again after one term. All of that, and I think they both genuinely dislike McCain.

Foregone Conclusion said...

Assmole said,

"Some people have run out of positive things to say about Obama so they're resorting to beating up on Palin - how sad."

Work out why people are targeting Palin and not McCain.

Seriously, think about it. To the Republican base, the ticket isn't McCain/Palin. It's PALIN/McCain. It's all about Palin. That's the trouble - McCain wasn't a fantastic Republican candidate because he was generic GOP, it was because he was a 'maverick'. He should have chosen someone quiet like Tim Pawlenty that would have been a complete nonentity and allowed his persona to grip the electorate.

But no! All the talk for a good month or so, at a crucial time, was about Palin. And she is a fool, and she contaminated his brand.

Kid G said...

Why hasn't the NY Times endorsed Obama yet?

Real Joe said...

assmole said...
real joe, fuck off.


hahahaha

don't get angry ass face

Seafarer said...

I have a small quibble with your pronouncement that "rarely does quality emerge from such a process of elimination." It may be technically correct but I don't think it supports your argument. As I'm sure you're aware, Abraham Lincoln became the Republican nominee as a compromise candidate.

Rare though it may be it can still be a winning strategy. With a litte more polish, she could have been deadly to the Democratic ticket. The fact that it played out the way it did is anecdotal and irrelevant.

Full disclosure: I'm voting for Obama.

PA John said...

oh and the morning call PA tracker comes out in the afternoon too no?

PA Morning Call tracker out:

Obama -53
McCain - 41

Stable at Obama +12. Less undecides. Both were +1 for the day

Since 10/8 Obama has been at 50-53% while McCain has been at 37-41. Today is McCain's highest total since 10/2, but this also matches Obama high mark so far in the poll.

Nick said...

"But yeah, this guy claims ownership of the Palin pick, I hope he is ridiculed for it for the rest of his life."

You've got an opportunity to contribute. He posts as "Elephantman" on Salon, and he's been getting increasingly angry and hostile as the weeks have gone on.

If you feel like poking the bear, just head over to any letters section there - he's not hard to find.

Eric said...

gregory said...
Hermance,

I think you're absolutely right. She's a male neocon's wet dream! It was their "little brains" that chose her. Kinda reminds me of comedy movies where the husband hires a young, pretty babysitter whose "assets" are obvious to him, even though her experience caring for children is thin. The wife rolls her eyes and shows the would-be nanny the door. That's just what American women are doing to Palin.


When McCain got back from the war he dropped his first wife and picked up the beauty queen beer heiress dumb blonde, used her as a trophy wife with money to boot to get elected as a "war hero". Though, he was a shitty pilot, I suppose if you get shot down and survive as a POW, and have good stories, ticket punched. The dumb, rich, pretty trophy wife was key. He learned his lesson. Need to become President, let's try to dumb beauty pageant chick, maybe it'll work twice. ASSHOLE

Antmatic said...

To be fair, Rasmussen's state polls on the whole have looked pretty good for Obama recently. Look at MO, for example. I don't think the guy is biased.

newsfromOH said...

I missed if this made news here. It's small but telling. The College Station Eagle (Texas) endorsed Obama. It's crazy, truly. Yet another paper that has never considered endorsing a Dem, even homeboy Lyndon Johnson!

Here's the link: http://www.theeagle.com/editorial/Barack-Obama-is-the-better-choice-for-president

But, most telling for this thread, is this excerpt:

Also of great concern is McCain's selection of Sarah Palin as his running mate. Like Obama, she has little experience in governing, but unlike the Illinois senator, she is a candidate of little intellectual curiosity who appears to be hopelessly unready to be president. The fact that people are confused by the difference between Palin and comedian Tina Fey's caustic impersonation is clear evidence that Palin should not be, as they say, a heartbeat away from the presidency.

We also are dismayed by the tenor of the McCain-Palin campaign. If their goal is to severely wound an Obama presidency should that come to pass, they are dangerously close to succeeding.

Real Joe said...

what are the state polls coming out today ?

He said...

RASMUSSEN POLL RELEASED TO PREMIUSM MEMBERS ONY:

McCAIN 51!
Hussein 46%


Sorry, libs, but your hero is going down in flames. Look at the trendline.

I was insides the Pentagon on 911 when muslim terrorists attacked me, and Northern Virginia will vote for the HERO, not the ZERO terroirst.

Incidentally, there is alot of gay sex going on in the Doubletree Hotel bathrooms ever since Obama moved his campaign HQ to Crystal City.

Coincidence?

SIMPER FI

Real Joe said...



How McCain Will Lose Florida, According to Time

Link

Ted Striker said...

Two comments:

1) I thought like a week ago Real Joe had decided to not vote for McCain. If that is the case, why is he pronouncing McCain 08! Undecided, waffling voter?

2) People are debating on what has caused this small surge in McCain's numbers and many things are being discounted (Letterman, SNL, Al Smith dinner). Why couldn't each one of those things plus things like the McCain new "Socialist Obama" ravings, the drastic uptick in robo "Obama's basically a terrorist" calls, etc. each have a net fraction of a percent impact and when you add them all together they have caused the 2 or so point swing?

SP said...

There was a nice article in yesterday's Washington Post about the 527s being affected by the economic downturn, especially on the GOP side, where they rely on bazillionaires to provide significant funding

Link to WaPo Article

And to whoever asked about early voting in Virginia - Voting absentee in VA is pretty restrictive, since you have to provide a reason which qualifies you to do so, and most people can't.

Real Joe said...

he said...
RASMUSSEN POLL RELEASED TO PREMIUSM MEMBERS ONY:

McCAIN 51!
Hussein 46%


fake ras numbers

PA John said...

@ Eric

Silver Spoon = George Washington??

hermance said...

As for McCain gaining, I think it is partly the expected tightening at the end of a race. But I also think you shouldn't discount McCain's taxation message (which it's easy for us to do since he associates it with a cast of Sesame Street characters, like Joe the Plumber and Ed the Dairyman). While I don't think the majority of voters care about Joe, I think that many are afraid that Obama is going to raise their taxes, and I think the campaign has not done a very effective job rebutting that. I think they need to put that chart up everywhere--you know, the one that shows the percentage of tax breaks each candidate wants to give to each income group. That stuff is devastating.

I think people are suspicious of the 95% number that Obama keeps throwing around. He needs to say point blank not that McCain wants to give more tax breaks to large corporations, but that he wants to give the wealthiest one percentage of Americans more tax cuts than they had under Reagan, Bush, and Bush. He needs to claim that this is the real class warfare in America and the real wealth redistribution that McCain doesn't want voters to know about, etc.

Instead, I think they are playing it safe and letting the Powell news dominate the news cycle for a few days, hoping that will be enough. It's very hard for Obama to be on the offensive for many reasons, and I suspect they'd rather play it relatively safe at this point. But I think the taxation thing is giving McCain some leaners right now.

Real Joe said...



Jon Stewart To Sarah Palin: "F*** You" (VIDEO)

Link

Voice of the Midwest said...

I also find it completely *ironic* that the credit crunch, effectively created by Republican policies, is the cause of low fundraising for GOP candidates and the failure of 527s to get off of the ground in 2008.

Palin has done damage to the cause - no doubt. But McCain wed himself to the wrong side of the issues over the past eight years and Obama has had the ability to kill the "maverick" talk with a simple message that McCain has voted with Bush 90% of the time.

The average, independent voter says "How is that independent?"

Biden lacks control, but Palin is a loose cannon on the stump. If John McCain was wanting to keep Joe Biden off of the front page, then he did well. Telling me I am "anti-American" because I live in a blue area of a state is not going to keep Palin off of the front page with a negative story.

Yet they will still get 45% of the vote. Sad...

PorridgeGun said...

Britain now officially in recession.


How long before that is said in America? Are they seriously gonna hold off mentioning the R-word, at least officiallt, until after Novemeber 4?

Aunt Karen said...

@seafarer

Palin needs a lot more than a little more polish. A more qualified conservative woman could have been deadly to the Democratic ticket. Polish is far down the extensive list of reasons why Palin is a poor choice.

Eric said...

Houston Chronicle endorsed Obama. First time they've endorsed a Democrat since LBJ.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/6065490.html

HoosierDaddy said...

She was the compromise choice after those names were vetoed during the deliberation process -- not necessarily the best candidate, but the least unacceptable.

That's pretty much how McCain got the nomination. He just kind of stood back and let Huckabee and Romney nuke each other. McCain wasn't really the first choice of most of the party. The fact that he needed to take a big risk to get the base into the game is part of what set up the Palin decision.

Part of the problem is the GOP doesn't have all that many people who can check all the boxes for the different constituencies. I don't think there was a choice he could have made that wouldn't be second guessed right now.
Huckabee- He's sharper than Palin and has McCain's gift for getting on reasonably well on a personal level with the press, but you'd have the same attacks on him as Palin. Turns off the libertarian and pro-business cons.

Romney-He could perhaps add economic heft to the ticket but he never managed to get any traction on that issue in the primaries. turns off the social cons.

Lieberman-Might boost rentals of "My Fellow Americans", otherwise pretty much pointless. turns off most cons.

Jindahl-Not ready yet. unlike Pain, he probably will be in 2012. Why would he ruin it now?

I think the party is just at a bad point right now and probably needs a couple years to rebuild. A couple of years in the wilderness might also help get the circular firing squad's attention. They can probably look forward to some gains in 2010 based on historical precedent and the likely prolonged downturn. Then, who knows. '74-76 was pretty catastrophic for the Republican party. After the collapse of a Republican administration a Democrat "change" candidate swept into the White House. That didn't last long...

Voice of the Midwest said...

"Britain now officially in recession."

We will officially be in recession on November 5 and alarmingly so if Barack Obama is elected.

Just ask a Republican who still thought Palin was a qualified candidate the day after the election.

BTW, we are in a full recession right now in the USA.

Green said...

Any movement toward McCain now is a combination of obvious things. I see it as the "death by 1000 cuts" strategy of McCain (and to be fair some of the cuts are Obama inflicted on himself)
1) Ayers, Ayers, Ayers (FOX still plays this out and it hits the psyche of people.
2) ACORN. (more FOX nonsense - even there own reports can't claim any VOTES that have been cast illegally - it's a total joke)
Note the racial undertones everytime you see a report About ACORN on FOX or other news.
3) "Spread the wealth" Bad choice of words and code for something Americans find distasteful. Not just socialistic undertones but, and I believe this, an undercurrent of welfare... specifically white burley "Joes" being robbed to give money to undeserving poor folks (a race thing, you get it)
4) Joe the Plumber - a human face for whites to be mad at a black man.
5) Today Biden makes bonehead comment about "Obama with be tested by an international crisis in his first 6 months" (thanks for bringing up foreign policy crisis Joe!! Very helpful!!)

Now, Powell helps with a lot of cred on capabilities and trust and even sanity for those who have fallen prey to the rumors. But other low information voters will see it as more black vs white issues.

Obama fought back well yesterday on the Socialist issue saying challenging McCain to imply that tilting to the Middle Class is somehow socialist.
But he really needs to bring out his own "Joe the Cop" who would do well with Obama's policies.
And he needs to say that "wealth spreads when the government pursues policies that create jobs rather than pursuing policies that reward the wealthiest with more tax breaks."

My strong recommendation--- make calls for Obama and keep working hard for the next two weeks!

Paul

Josh said...

These trackera are complete BULLSHIT. Both Rasmussen and Hotline are trending Obama for 2 days, then all of a sudden McCain has his strongest day for months. It's also hard to believe Battleground hasn't budged for Obama after bthe weekend. What now with Gallup? After showing big gains yesterday, they'll pull it back to 6-3-2? ABC down to 4%?


Of course, all these polls were conducted pre-Powell, but still, I find this hard to believe...it's laughable, in fact.



Don't tell me this is due to Mooseburger's SNL appearance. If so, America is fucked.


It may be due to Obama's "spread the wealth" comment and how the GOP is branding that as socialism. Or the robocalls could be having an effect.

bobdevo said...

She "reminded Brickley" of Obama.

Yeah, right, except of course Palin bounced around 5 schools in 6 years, including two hick junior colleges while getting a degree in broadcasting (aka Smile Perty and read the TelePrompter) while Obama got a degree in Poly Sci/International Relations from Occidental/Columbia and a Juris Doctorate from Harvard.

The only way Palin gets into Harvard is if they have a raccoon in the attic they want her to field dress.

Oh, and then Obama TAUGHT Constitutional Law at teh University of Chicago, while the closest Palin has ever been to the Constitution is she has been known to use it for toilet paper.

Gag me with a fork, dude.

michiganmaine said...

Chi,

That bloomberg article seems to be wrong, so I would not trust it. It claims that McCain has $300 million for the general. But it says that he has both the $84 mil fed money AND over $100 mil that had had banked. My understanding is that McCain could not bank his own money.

So I would not trust the article much.

NoVa Commie said...

http://www.sbe.virginia.gov/cms/Absentee_Voting/Index.html

Early voting in VA not that restrictive - having a long commute (out of state for 11 of 13 hours that polls are open), which can be claimed by virtually anyone in Northern VA who works in DC or MD makes you eligible.

Jen said...

Eric - YES, thank you. You're exactly correct.

MysticLaker said...

RCP really sucks. They change their cherry picking model (dropping all the large positive polls for Obama for no apparent reason) and are now linked on both foxnews and drudge...What a joke.

michiganmaine said...

"It may be due to Obama's "spread the wealth" comment and how the GOP is branding that as socialism."

Ya, pretty funny. The GOP running on slogan that middle-class tax cuts = welfare. That's really going to work.

grandpa john said...

That's because Palin is a "cargo cult Christian" - able to quote Scripture chapter and verse, knows all the rituals, learned the stories by heart, wields the Bible like Mace, and completely misses the essence of Christ's lessons of love, compassion, and tolerance. The world is full of people like her.

Most fundamentalist are "old testament christians with out bothering to read the new testament, the one in which the persons teachings they claim to follow is taught but lthey seem to ignore when it suits their agenda.
Many of them follow old testament law with out acknowledging that the message of Jesus was that of a new way of life and that the old testament laws no longer applied. The result is of course that rather than leading a truly christian life, they pick and choose those parts that suit them making them first class sinners and hypocrites, wonder what the ahell happening when comes the day of awqakening they find themselves with front row seats in hell.

Matthew H said...

Seriously, assmole, do you even read Nate and Sean's articles any more? Or do you just skip down to the comments and just see how much of an ass you can be?

I've never even seen a troll criticize a thread for staying on topic. Leave Real Joe and the rest of us alone and go join Va Con's gang. I'm sure they'll love you.

Antmatic said...

Josh is overreacting. 2 trackers show movement to Obama, 2 to McCain, 1 is steady. With two trackers to go.

ABC is going to post a solid number for Obama.

Remember that Bush was leading by 2-3 points or so the same time last election. Obama is in a much stronger position.

Let's see what the state polls say (so far today, so good for Obama).

Michael said...

Can someone with a Rasmussen Premium Account please post the party id weightings of the following states:

OH-PA-VA-NC-FL-NH-MO-CO-NV

Email me by clicking Here

Eric said...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/17/conservative-talk-radio-h_n_135684.html

Check this out!

There are many papers who have never backed a Dem backing Obama.

michiganmaine said...

Early voting statistics compiled:

http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2008.html

abb3w said...

The drawbacks of a compromise: "I am ashamed to say: Who is Wheeler?"

Ed M. said...

The GOP running on slogan that middle-class tax cuts = welfare.

I was a little struck by calling an adjustments in the EITC socialism, but calling it welfare it suddenly made a whole bunch of sense from a slime perspective.

Eric said...

PA John said...
@ Eric

Silver Spoon = George Washington??



Less than the others. I know biographies of most leaders pretty well, not Washington as much. His family had money and influence as I understand. There's no doubt he was a great President, great General, and was not handed the leadership he wielded. He did however come from money and have opportunities most would not have had.

jnorthrop said...

@abb3w -

Thanks for the link to the Wikipedia enty on Wheeler. I got a chuckle out of this:

"They couldn't think of anyone who they would want to stick with the position. Then one of them began to giggle. "What about Wheeler?" he chuckled. Soon everyone was having a hearty laugh, including Wheeler, and the next morning he was, much to everyone's surprise, nominated by acclamation."

Cugel said...

The thing Republicans can't understand is that the same things they love about Palin, we HATE! We HATE that she's unintellectual.

We HATE that she appears like she walked off a beauty contest, and has about as much knowledge as the average Miss Alaska would about world issues.

We don't like that she hunts wolves from heliocopters, we think that's cruel and unfair. We think having throw rug with a giant bears' head still stuck on it on your couch is BEYOND tacky. Even Teddy Roosevelt didn't do that!

In short we're urban and sub-urban America. Republicans keep pointing to rural 'Merkans (as George Bush calls them) as "real Americans." This pisses us off!

We are becoming an URBAN/Sub-URBAN nation, and we're tired of all the "rural folks are real Americans but city dwellers are somehow corrupt scum who will cheat you when they come out to the sticks to sell you stuff out of their wagons."

This is the real divide in America. Needless to say, rural America is losing. It's taken WAY too long, but angry white rural America has had its day. Thank God!

Alamala said...

Well said Cugel :) Let me add that I personally hate that to be a real amurrican you have to be married and have kids. Speaking as a single-and-childless-by-choice person :p

I think that these days it would be harder to elect a president who's single than a black man or a woman though :/

michiganmaine said...

McCain spent $17 mil on advertising so far in Oct. He had $47 on hand at the beginning of the month. So, just on advertising spending he is down to $30 mil.

He will soon disappear from the airwaves.

trafficlight said...

Once Obama wins on the 4th, where does all of the left over campaign funds go?

newsfromOH said...

eric,

You're from Texas, right? The Eagle coming out from Obama, to me, is not terribly unlike the KKK hosting an O house party, no?

joel said...

Va. will be close , no Obama blowout. The state always polls closer than the actual result but with high AA turnout and the youth turnout showing up I believe Obama should take it maybe 51-49.
McCain has done all he can to piss off Northern Va and thats where a good portion of the votes are. His aids crack about real Va was just code for white Va. and Powells endorsement may get him few more rural votes.
I think the election won`t be the blowout we were hoping for but obama should win a good 300 electoral votes. I just can`t see any way for McCain to get to 270, he has no chance in a any Kerry state and Obama has the money to blow him out of the water in advertising in any close state.

Kid G said...

@michiganmaine:

One very interesting statistic from the early voting sheet is that in Georgia, 56% of early voters were women. Wow, that truly favors Obama, who seems to be even or slightly trailing among men. If he can reach 53% women for the entire election, he has the popular vote in the bag.

Dave-london said...

porridge

we cant be in recession yet we flatined April-July, so we cant be in recession until Dec technically.

By which time Gordon will have saved us all by bringing back all the cabinet of May 97. Either that or Osborne will have exploded with smugness.


Whilst you are all shouting at Brickley I heard him on Radio 4 a couple of weeks back, he sounded just like a regular poster on any political website. ie committed, trying to be thoughtful, trying to think tactically and flying some kites. In fact he did what most people here were doing the final few weeks of the VP decision, push forward a candidate. Seems pretty strange for you all to have a go at him for it.... even if he did pick a wrong un.

Cugel said...

The polls tightening down to Obama +4%-5%?

Chris Bowers predicted exactly this and has an explanation:

"I am expecting the campaign to settle in at an Obama lead of 4-5%. I looked at Pollster.com's national trendlines today, excluding the VP and convention period from August 16th to September 15th. Without that period in the trendlines, the campaign has been extremely stable, hovering at right around 4-5%.

Obama was a bit higher right after securing the nomination, and also at the height of the financial meltdown.

McCain was a bit higher when he was able to outspend Obama on paid media in all but a few states.

But really, this is a 4-5% campaign, with very little movement. Given the long-term stability excepting for major events, I expect that 4-5%, is where the campaign will end, with Obama winning between 325-350 electoral votes."


That means we can expect the average to hold at around 4-5% from here on out unless something happens to change it one way or another. LOTS of people have made up their minds by now, and those who are left are probably mostly former Republicans. They might break late for McCain.

But, Obama's advantage in the GOTV effort will offset a lot of that leaving us with a 4-5% edge by election day.

For McCain to win he'd have to have at least a 1% lead in all the national polls by election day to offset Obama's GOTV advantage and the fact that Obama is polling around 2% AHEAD of his national average in several key states like Colorado, where early voting has been going on now for a week.

Despite the people who argue that early voting doesn't matter because only partisans vote early, tell that to Obama who lost the California primary despite a late surge -- because Hillary had already banked so many early votes BEFORE voters could have a chance to change their minds!

michiganmaine said...

"Va. will be close , no Obama blowout. The state always polls closer than the actual result but with high AA turnout and the youth turnout showing up I believe Obama should take it maybe 51-49."

This is illogical. If he is now polling a wider gap than 2 points. And, as you say, VA polls closer than the actual results (result gap will be larger). AND, as you say, the AA and youth turnout will be high and break for Obama. THEN the actual gap would be larger than the poll gap by quite a bit.

RWD said...

I was watching Texas A&M football this weekend and wondered: Is College Station TX the only college town in the whole country that might go for McCain? It's always seemed way more conservative than the avg. college town to me.

Real Joe said...



Google CEO hits the campaign trail

If you're in Florida tomorrow, you might get a glimpse of Eric Schmidt campaigning with Barack Obama.

Dave-london said...

GOP party unity falling apart.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/20/uselections2008-democrats

Kid G said...

@ RWD:

No, I am sure Norman, OK and Manhattan, KS are also for McCain.

Eric said...

newsfromOH said...
eric,

You're from Texas, right? The Eagle coming out from Obama, to me, is not terribly unlike the KKK hosting an O house party, no?


Yes! you posted the link, so I assume you read it. They wouldn't dare endorse a Democrat, unless they felt absolutely compelled to. It would almost be like George Wallace endorsing Barack Obama from the grave. I went to UT-Austin, so I've never been a big College Station fan. That said, I do have family and friends that went there. I know the place well. It's probably the most Republican large University in the country. They've never endorsed a democrat before. NEVER! Not even LBJ, a Texan. (I don't mean to imply they're all prejudice there, they're not. But, they're certainly mostly Republican)

murrman said...

This is what I love about Nate...His writing style. I was a wedding DJ in my "youth", and can tell you from experience that you get boxed into playing the same 40 songs at every event because they have the most appeal to the people in the room. Someone will come over and yell at you if you stray too far from what they consider appropriate. There's nothing wrong with "Love Shack", except it's been played to death.

Oh, and my favorite new Sarah Palin nickname: Hlaf-Baked Alaska.

Sarah said...

Cugel and Alamala:

While I am a huge Obama supporter, I do not support continuing the divide of rural v. suburban/urban populations. Just because the suburban/urban side seems to be having a renaissance doesn't make the divide acceptable or helpful. I'm part city, part country, and both have benefits and flaws. Both have wisdom and ignorance. This is the time for all of us to step back and remember that we have to work together, recognize our similarities, and appreciate our differences. We have to fix health care for everyone and improve the educational experiences of kids from cities, farms, and everywhere in between. I'm hoping this election can result in an eventual healing of the cultural divide -- not a widening of it.

livemild said...

earlier post talked about silver spoon leaders. when i was in college a prof talked alot about most leaders in history usually coming from rich or military families.

washington married into a very wealthy womnan (i think Gen Lees grandmother) like mccain except George was actually an accomplished individual versus mccain crashing through anapolis and five planes as a pilot..,

newsfromOH said...

eric,

That's why I was so completely stunned about this endorsement. I thought maybe, just maybe, things had changed drastically since last I spent considerable time in the Republic of Texas.

Seretse said...

new post

Eric said...

livemild said... washington married into a very wealthy womnan (i think Gen Lees grandmother) like mccain except George was actually an accomplished individual versus mccain crashing through anapolis and five planes as a pilot..,


On McCan, 7 planes crashed actually. Also, his daddy and granddaddy were Admirals. His dad was a silver-spoon loser from what I understand from 80 year old military folks that knew him. This is similar to Jr. Bush whose Daddy was Prez and Granddaddy was Senator

Patrick said...

Airline food? What's that?

HD Dunn said...

I disagree with many of you on the VP selection....Palin is great for the Democrats..the GOP cannot argue that Barack is "inexperienced". She is the best thing McCain could have done for the Dems.
But I think the toughest guy of all would have been Gov. Tom Ridge the former Homeland Security chief. He split with the Bushies over the security of the our seaports and other areas and stood up to them on several other fronts. Besides he is also a disabled Vietnam vet who would have been able to attract the Pennsylvania electoral votes.
THANKS JOHN AND SARAH---great choice.
"Go O"

Josiah said...

If Sarah Palin is the Wikipedia candidate, she's got a great big {{citation needed}} tag next to her. She's not exactly a Featured Article.

JRS said...

It seems funny to me that the McCain/Palin ticket can call it "Socialism" to give tax refunds to those Americans who currently pay little or no Income Tax. This is already in place now in the form of the Earned Income Tax Credit which was originally enacted over 30 years ago under Gerald Ford, a Republican President, and expanded several times under Reagan, Clinton and Bush I and II.

Enacted in 1975, the initially modest EIC has been expanded in the widely-publicized tax acts of 1986, 1990, 1993, and 2001, regardless of whether the act in general raised taxes (1990, 1993), lowered taxes (2001), or eliminated other deductions and credits (1986). Today, the EITC has bipartisan support (except McCain?!) and is one of the largest anti-poverty tools in the US.

Eric said...

newsfromOH said...
eric,

That's why I was so completely stunned about this endorsement. I thought maybe, just maybe, things had changed drastically since last I spent considerable time in the Republic of Texas.


All large cities in the US (every single one) vote Democrat. The ones in Texas are a lighter shade of blue. In rare landslide Pub elections, they may even be close to 50/50. Generally though, the cities are about 55-45 Dem, the burbs 50-50, the rural areas 70-30 Pub. Adds up to Pubs winning by about 15 points on average in statewide elections. A&M is very representative of the small towns here.