10.31.2008

Trick or Treat

Do you spook easily?

Judging by the response in my inbox, some of you do.

Matt Drudge is touting the results of a one-day sample in a Zogby poll, which apparently showed John McCain ahead by 1 point.

There are a couple of significant problems with this.

Firstly, there is a reason that pollsters include multiple days of interviewing in their tracking polls; a one-day sample is extremely volatile, and have very high margins for error.

Secondly, the Zogby polls have been particularly volatile, because he uses nonsensical party ID weightings, which mean that his weighting process involves making numbers doing naughty things that they usually don't like to do.

Thirdly, Zogby polls are generally a lagging rather than a leading indicator. This is because he splits his interviewing period over two days; most of the interviews that were conducted in this sample took place on Thursday night, with a few this afternoon. The reason this is significant is because lots of other pollsters were in the field on Thursday night, and most of them evidently showed good numbers for Obama, as he improved his standing in 6 of the 7 non-Zogby trackers.

Finally, there was no favorable news for McCain to drive these numbers. Polls don't move without a reason (or at least they don't move much).

So go out to your Halloween parties and enjoy yourself, and we'll be back to covering the polls for you tomorrow.

825 comments

Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...

Bill Kristol is gay---well that changes everything

shadowguidex said...

"I guess it is just like how they don't know that Bill Kristol is Gay too!"

Well, he's married. Course, so is Larry Craig, but yeah....

SHERWICK said...

new thread

kryptounderdog said...

petekent, what flavor Kryptonite you are smoking?

No one is trying to demoralize anyone here. Barack has pledged to work in a bipartisan fashion and I think all moderates, even conservatives, will be pleasantly surprised in a year, especially when the economy is rescued from being beaten up in the Bushes, yet again, by a Democrat.

But I can't imagine how bipartisanship will work with McCain now given the negative tone of this election.

Bye the way you're favorite poll is up at 5 again.

Who knows about Zombie, sorry I mean Zogby. But if he's polling as many hollow weeny dems and repubs than I agree with Nate its better news for the dems me thinks....

Oh, and most of Philly is in such a euphoria over the world series win that I'm not sure any Pennsy poll will make sense from yesterday. Most of my coworkers have been so bombed they would likely vote for Cole Hammels if the election were yesterday.

Subterranean said...

Ok, I've given it some thought, and my conclusion is air-tight: Zogby does his poll write-ups on shrooms.

Either that, or he's a complete idiot.

PorridgeGun said...

The more I think about it, these PA polls ARE likely connected to the Phillies winning the World Series. If I'm a Philly sports fan and I've just watched one of my teams win it's first championship in 28 years, the economy and presidential politics are pretty much on the backburner for the next couple of days.


I'm using common sense and logic here, so I'm prepared to be proven wrong.

Real Joe said...



Obama says he didn't know aunts illegal status

continuity said...

The only way the GOP can steal this election through Diebold/Sequoia fraud is to maintain some illusion that it's a close race.

That's why Drudge puts on the big 48 point headline for every close poll result, and doesn't mention the dozens of other poll results.

phil said...

Mattison said...
For those of us that don't follow baseball, what exactly does "Throw 'em back, like a Chase Utley home run at a Cubs' game" mean?


Chase Utley is a slugger for the Philadelphia Phillies, a National League rival of the Cubs (though from different divisions). The Cubs have a tradition of throwing home run balls hit by the opposing team back onto the field.

Grant said...

I appreciate Nate's hard work with the science of the polls. I think an important key here is that a lot of the right-wingers don't really believe in science. They go by their gut and they really want McCain to win because of their irrational fear of Obama. I go by my gut a lot too but I try to check it with reason and responsibility. Thank you, Nate, for a good job. And everybody else - just make sure you vote and volunteer. I have, for Obama.

And for a little more science and reason check out this site too:

http://statistics.byu.edu/faculty/wfc/2008Election/

A BYU professor (and my son, a statistics major) tend to support Nate with their analysis.

Cubfan said...

OK, had to turn off Morning Joe this morning. He has a "feeling," that he had before in 1980 and 2004... blah-blah-blah. Do these guys get their GOP-talking-points via email, or is there some invisible wireless network they're all plugged into, like the Borg?

Lori said...

**cubfan**
I did too. Joe is getting pitiful. Hard to believe this guy considered Hillary his "girl friend". If would consider for one minute that Obama will make sure Hillary is taken care of and as Biden said be standing right next to Barack and get the first pen that signs the Healthcare Bill. I am now looking to CNN though I miss Mika

Bridge said...

"...which mean that his weighting process involves making numbers doing naughty things that they usually don't like to do."

Nate, were you hitting the sauce when you wrote this? Gettin' toasted for Halloween, perhaps? A little tipsy? Knockin' back the pumpkin ale?

BTW, what was your costume? I went as a silly loon who dedicates seizure-inducing blingee blog posts to numbercrunchers I admire.

D. Melanogaster said...

I don't understand how, if the race is staying stable, Nate's trend/projection line is going down toward McCain.

Can anyone clarify?

Thanks

meangreely said...

How can we believe any of these polls, including this one? Even YOU are one-sided toward a candidate! The only thing that can be believed is the actual result on the 4th. And you know what, it doesn't matter who's elected this time around, we're all screwed all over again.

ArtSparker said...

Thanks, Dad (I'm decades older than you btw).

coachjdc said...

I'm listening to Zogby right now on cspan. He's going on and on about what a great day McCain had. Excuse me, but there is no logical reason for these number to have flipped they way they have. You obviously had a very bad day polling.

St. Nick said...

Ha Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuhpO9xG2MY

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