Now that there are fully eight distinct national tracking polls, I thought I'd take the time to give you my Cliff's Notes assessment of each one. The polls are arranged in the order in which they typically appear throughout the day -- as you may have discovered, you can get your tracking poll fix quite literally morning, noon and night.
Zogby/C-SPAN/Reuters
When Publishes: About 12:45 AM Eastern Time.
Key Specifications: ~1200 likely voters, 3-day rolling sample.
Track Record: Zogby's telephone polls are not quite as bad a reputed, ranking just slightly below average (his internet-based Zogby Interactive polls are another matter altogether). However, they seem to be getting worse rather than better. Zogby was one of the few pollsters to call the popular vote for Gore in 2000, but he missed high on Kerry's numbers in many state-level polls in 2004, and then had an erratic primary season this year.
House Effect/Lean: For the reasons specified below, so far has leaned Republican by a point or two.
Features/Strengths: Zogby's write-ups are generally entertaining, and he reveals more than most about the progress of the candidates in individual days' results. One of two pollsters to publish results with a decimal place intact, which we like.
Zogby is the first pollster to go to press each day, publishing in the wee hours of the morning, although the way that he accomplishes this is to split his sample periods over two days. That is, a "day's" worth of polling consists of interviews from that afternoon plus the previous night.
Quirks/Concerns: There is one very, very significant concern with Zogby, which is that he has a longstanding rule to set his party weightings based on the exit polls from the most recent election. In this case, that means 2004, when a roughly equal number of Democrats and Republicans turned out. However, according to essentially every available poll, Democrats now have somewhere between a 5-point and a 10-point advantage in party ID.
This particular procedure has bitten Zogby in the ass before. Between 2000 and 2004, there was a shift in party ID toward the Republicans; as a result, Zogby's numbers were 2-3 points high for Kerry across battleground states.
To the extent that Obama is leading in a Zogby poll, that means essentially that he'd have won the election given 2004 turnout dynamics. 2008 turnout dynamics are liable to be sigificantly more favorable to him. With that said, the relationship between Zogby's odd party ID weightings and his toplines is probably not quite 1:1, since he is weighting based not just on party ID but also a number of other factors. My guess is, for instance, that one reason that Obama always seems to do strongly in Zogby among independents is that Zogby is essentially squeezing Obama-friendly demographic groups out of his Democratic pile and erroneously classifying them as indies.
Research 2000 / Daily Kos
When Publishes: Early AM, usually about 7:30 Eastern time.
Key Specifications: ~1100 likely voters, 3-day rolling sample.
Track Record: Research 2000 has an above-average track record, although this is the first time they've run a national tracking poll.
House Effect/Lean: Aggregating all of Research 2000 polls in this general election cycle -- including their tracking results plus their state polling for both Daily Kos and the myriad newspapers that they contract with -- they have had a slight Democratic lean of 1-2 points. However, the lean has appeared to be stronger in their national tracker, and less strong (in fact, almost nonexistent) in their state polling.
Features/Strengths: Full set of cross-tabular results published each day. Poll tends to be fairly stable, in part because they use a fixed party ID weighting (Democrat +9). Research 2000 is the only pollster to publish each individual day's results in addition to the rolling average.
Quirks/Concerns: Racial demographics are aggressive -- probably too aggressive -- showing blacks making up 14 percent of the electorate and Hispanics another 13 percent. Turnout will be up among minorities this year, but probably not by quite that much. The +9 party ID split is arguably also aggressive, although within the broad range of what other polls have found this year.
Rasmussen Reports
When Publishes: Promptly at 9:30 AM Eastern. Results are sometimes available slightly earlier for subscribers to their Premium service.
Key Specifications: 3000 likely voters, 3-day rolling sample.
Track Record: Rasmussen rates as a strong pollster overall and did particularly well in 2004, though less well in this year's primaries.
House Effect/Lean: Frequently reputed to have a Republican lean, Rasmussen's overall house effect between its state and national polls has in fact been very minor -- less than one full point. However, it has been somewhat more pronounced in their national tracker than in their state-level results.
Features/Strengths: Largest sample size of any of the tracking polls. Between that and the fact that they weight by party ID, they have tended to have the most stable results. To the extent that any pollster should weight by party ID, I think Rasmussen is going about it the right way, setting targets based on a six-week rolling average of all interviews conducted.
Quirks/Concerns: The poll sometimes crosses the line from being stable into lower-case-c conservative, as the strict party ID weighting scheme means that it often won't react as strongly as others to changes in the mood of the electorate. For the traditionalists out there, Rasmussen is the only one of the eight trackers to use the IVR/"robocall" method.
The Diageo Hotline Poll
When Publishes: Midmorning, usually around 10:30 AM Eastern time. Results are often teased on the Hotline Blog before they appear in full.
Key Specifications: ~800 likely voters, 3-day rolling sample.
Track Record: Not much information to go on. This poll was published in 2000 and called the race as Bush +3, but did not appear to be active in 2004.
House Effect/Lean: No pronounced house effects so far.
Features/Strengths: Only pollster to probe on enthusiasm each day in addition to the topline numbers. The National Journal folks take their politics very seriously and this poll is likely a reflection of that.
Quirks/Concerns: Has the smallest sample size of any of the trackers, and does not use a fixed party ID weighting. As such, their numbers have tended to bounce around a lot. That plus the limited track record make this a middle-of-the-road tracker.
Battleground / Tarrance / George Washington U.
When Publishes: Weekdays only -- midmornings around 10:30 AM Eastern time.
Key Specifications: Either 800 or 1,000 likely voters, spanning either 4 or 5 days respectively.
Track Record: Battleground is usually in hibernation, emerging only once every four years to produce national trial heat numbers. They've been around the block, however, and had great years in 1992 and 1996, followed by OK years in 2000 and 2004.
House Effect/Lean: Prior to a methodological change that they made a couple of weeks ago, had a very prounced (3-4 point) Republican lean. Since then, they've been fairly neutral.
Features/Strengths: Co-operated by a Republican (Ed Goaes) and Democratic (Celinda Lake) pollster, so to the extent they have a house effect, it isn't the result of partisan bias. Battleground publishes more cross-tabular detail than any other tracking poll, although the formatting is a bit cumbersome.
Quirks/Concerns: They don't conduct interviews on Fridays or Saturdays, which is a defensible decision, but means that the poll may be slower to react to new information early in the work week, especially when coupled with the relatively large (4-5 day) sample window.
As alluded to above, Battleground previously had significant problems with their sample, substantially undercounting young voters, which was likely causing the strong Republican lean. They have since revisited their turnout assumptions and altered their model, and have had more "normal" looking results since.
Gallup
When Publishes: At 1 PM Eastern time, or a few minutes thereafter.
Key Specifications: Generally about ~2750 registered voters and ~2200 likely voters over a rolling three-day window.
Track Record: Gallup's results lag a bit behind its reputation, as it ranks in the lower half of our accuracy ratings. Their likely voter models have been the subject of much discussion and occasional critique.
House Effect/Lean: Very neutral overall so far this year.
Features/Strengths: Large sample size. Includes a supplement of cellphone numbers. Write-ups are informative and concise. Strong professional ethics and sense of transparency. Significant cross-tabular information is available, although it's published on a weekly rather than daily basis.
Quirks/Concerns: The poll has been a bit "jumpy", reacting more strongly than others (i.e. perhaps overreacting) to events in the news cycle. Still, the main point of concern is with the three different versions that they publish each day (registered voters, and then two separate likely voter models) -- it's hard to know which version they are really throwing their weight behind. Also, the differences between the registered voter numbers and the more conservative version of their likely voter numbers are sometimes implausibly large. We advocate paying the most attention to the less conservative, so-called "Likely Voters II" turnout model, which is the number we list in our daily write-ups.
Investors Business' Daily / TIPP
When Publishes: Mid-afternoon, usually about 3 PM Eastern time.
Key Specifications: About ~1050 likely voters over a 5-day window.
Track Record: IBD/TIPP touts itself as the most accurate pollster based on its strong result in 2004, when they nailed the Bush-Kerry numbers within a couple of tenths of a point. One good result does not a pollster make, however, and in 2000, their performance was only average, missing the Bush-Gore margin by 2.5 points. Results were slightly erratic and counterintuitive earlier this year, when for instance they showed an 11-point Obama lead in mid-May when most other pollsters showed him struggling at that time.
House Effect/Lean: Not yet enough data to reach any firm conclusion.
Features/Strengths: Pretty good internals available at the IBD website. Publishes with the decimal place included.
Quirks/Concerns: A 5-day tracking window is relatively long, and means that IBD/TIPP may be slower to react to new trends. Their D-R party ID gap has been narrower so far than that of most other pollsters (perhaps too narrow), though it does not appear as though they weight based on party ID as Rasmussen or Research 2000 does. Overall, the poll is probably fine given these caveats, but we have relatively little basis on which to evaluate it.
ABC News / Washington Post
When Publishes: Embargoed until 5 PM Eastern.
Key Specifications: Just debuted yesterday, so it is hard to say with certainty, but they appear to be using a 4-day rolling sample of about 1300 likely voters.
Track Record: Strong relative to that of other major news organizations, which generally do not do terrific polling, although just average compared to the field at large. ABC/Post had a fairly strong go of things when they conducted polling during this year's primaries.
House Effect/Lean: Significant Democratic lean of 3 or so points so far this election.
Features/Strengths: The only tracking poll apart from Gallup to include a cellphone sample. Relatively large sample size. Results are documented and reported professionally.
Quirks/Concerns: I don't have any specific critiques about their methodology, although any poll with a house effect this large needs to be evaluated with that in mind.
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In summation, none of these tracking polls are perfect, although Rasmussen -- with its large sample size and high pollster rating -- would probably be the one I'd want with me on a desert island. Conversely, the only one of the trackers that I consider obviously dubious is Zogby.
10.21.2008
Tracking Poll Primer
by Nate Silver @ 9:33 AM...see also methodology, national polls, pollsters, rasmussen, tracking polls, zogby
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1000th?
Go Joe
Oh man, Research 2000's prediction of the composition of the electorate is a joke.
FUCK
lat is the 1000th poster
Missed it by > < much.
:-(
so I posted this just now but it might get lost at the end of the other page for those claiming the party id advantage of dems is not real.
"GOP pollster Steve Lombardo:
We averaged the party ID for several national polls over the last several months and found that on average 36% of registered voters claim to be Democrats while only 28% say they align with the Republican party. We conduct dozens of national polls each year and, while our numbers have varied 2-4 points from the above, they have consistently showed a 6-9 point advantage for Democrats. Obama has also closed the long-standing partisan vote gap. National tracking polls show both candidates holding 85-87% of their party’s vote, where in recent years Republicans have enjoyed a 3-5 point advantage. Combine the two, and this is a very difficult hurdle for McCain to overcome. He will need to win independents by at least 15 – 20 points to overcome the party ID deficit."
sorry real joe!!! forgive me? ;-)
Oh no lat, it was not lost. It was right where it was supposed to be. In Real Joe's 1000th post spot.
What is with this site? You have to subscribe to the feed in order to see all the comments?
So close R.Joe. You'll do it tomorrow. We'll divert Lat with a link.
real joe posted 9 of the 10 posts. The only one he missed is the 1,000th!
RJ - don't ever go to Vegas! lol
No Joe Wright. Go to post comment and you will be able to go to newest post.
somebody asked for a path to 364 & 375 [the two mode outcomes in projection]
my guess is 286 +NV+OH+FL+NC+MO or IN
the 375 is IN and MO
378 is ND
349 must be loses NC or Loses NV and either IN,MO whilst winning NE2
dO i WIN A PRIZE?
my guess would be the 364 is more often because you get a direct one or the other IN or MO.
Oh and PA - I remembeer discussing with PA john a couple of weeks ago, I thought it was a good tactical gambit, but that was the equiv of pub talk - i cant believe that its happened its just bizarre.
The PA gambit doesnt rest on losing NV as someone said, JM still needs NV in his all eggs to the PA basket.
I would be really interested to here from Nate JM most likely win scenarios.
Nate, have mercy.
I am trying to get some work done. Please just post today's polls so I can quit refreshing this page.
"FUCK
lat is the 1000th poster"
Joe, that might be the firs time I've seen you curse without a *
Palin apologizes for 'real America' comment
joseph wright,
it's a site problem (and a sight problem!) Everybody has to use the Post a Comment at the bottom of the blog to see past the first 200 comments.
sorry guys
Again, still trying to catch up on everything, but just watched a clip of Palin's CNN interview. I seriously thought that she just HAD to do a fairly decent job of it. I mean, she's been at this crash course for a while now and certainly had to learn from her mistakes.
Or not . . .
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/21/palin.sitroom/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
You have got to be pfucking kidding me!!!!! Yattering gibberish AGAIN!!!!
No CNN state polls?
538 posters let me down again...
Obama in FL
Link
hey real joe--haven't been around for a while so you may have alreayd answered this--who will you support in 2012?
So, here's a conceivable anarchy scenario. What if Obama wins the popular vote by 3-4%, but barely loses about 6-8 swing states by 0-2% and loses the electoral vote. Dear Lord
Tell em Real Joe "McCain Surge"
news thanks for that clip. boy. that lady does notknow how to put sentence together. too and also.
I am not being a snob here, english is not even my first language and her syntax drives me bananas!
inkstain what's your favorite book?
more than 1000 comments.. damn..
great work nate silver.
GO Obama/Biden
I like in the Palin intw how she says you get scars when you ruffle feathers.
She's better than with Couric, but really...can't believe this is the "improvement."
Also, what's up with the education thing? I thought hardcore conservatives were supposed to want to blow up the Ed Dept.
I guess what Palin wants is conservative, and conservatism is whatever Palin does. Oy.
I am Watching Michelle Obama speak right now. I still find it very strange that American politics in general is so obsessed with the spouses of candidates. Here in Canada I do not even know the name of the PM's wife (and I am rather politically engaged).
who will you support in 2012?
Romney(if he runs)
My God, Listening to Palin. The stupid hurts.
(BTW, she is a really good speaker).
Palinese on CNN
Yes, thank you for asking that very good question so that there too is important and yes priority and we will have the scars to prove it and fight for the Americans cuz it's their country too also. I will be so honored if you are dumb enough to elect me to be the team leader of all the Senators so we can do energy independence that there also.
Mrs. Obama is a good speaker
mc9cain:
awesome.
Reminds one of nothing so much as that South Carolina Beauty Queen.
Palin to give deposition re troopergate on friday:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7904499
George Allen on MSNBC:
Palin not a drag on the ticket, switch the subject
You don't have a coherent message. Yes, we do: string together buzz words, incoherently (thereby proving Gregory's point), then launch into the entire Sesame St cast of Ron the Trucker, Betty the Baker
On Bachmann, Chris Matthews caused that answer . . ..
And I so wish I were kidding . . .
Joe the plumber advertisement tomorrow...
Was that the Grand Prize lamp from "Christmas Story" in back of the reporter in Palin interview?
Yeah, George Macaca Allen sure is an expert on putting one's foot in one's mouth leading to losing an election.
mc9cain that was truly great. also.
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) -- Gov. Sarah Palin charged the state for her children to travel with her, including to events where they were not invited, and later amended expense reports to specify that they were on official business.
The charges included costs for hotel and commercial flights for three daughters to join Palin to watch their father in a snowmobile race, and a trip to New York, where the governor attended a five-hour conference and stayed with 17-year-old Bristol for five days and four nights in a luxury hotel.
In all, Palin has charged the state $21,012 for her three daughters' 64 one-way and 12 round-trip commercial flights since she took office in December 2006. In some other cases, she has charged the state for hotel rooms for the girls.
sfergus, that was what I was thinking about mr. maccaca.
Where are the AZ polls? I haven't seen one in ages! Despite being McSame's home state, there are LOTS of independents here and I would think there should be at least one more poll here before Election Day (especially after Colin Powell's endorsement). There's a lot of enthusiasm among Obama supporters here and I'm not calling AZ totally red just yet!
marco, lots of rumors about an ASU poll that got pulled because it showed AZ in play. What do you know about it?
US: Obama 50, McCain 42
Ipsos/McClatchy national
10/16-20/08; 773 LV, 3.5%
http://www.kansascity.com/445/story/851177.html
so guys maybe her giberish is the ultimate weapon in the deposition---say nothing that makes sense and confuse the lawyer conducting it with a cloud of words?
I only saw the same rumour about that ASU poll. I'm pretty sure that came from one source who claimed to be "in the know," and disseminated on a couple of websites including this one. I've seen no other evidence of its existence, although if it did I would love to see its results.
mysticlaker said...
US: Obama 50, McCain 42
Ipsos/McClatchy national
10/16-20/08; 773 LV, 3.5%
http://www.kansascity.com/445/story/851177.html
Hot DAMN.
new thread
bamaobama: I heard the rumor too, but nothing else since...anyway, my wife and I drove to Southern NM 2 weekends ago to help them lock the deal for Obama in our neighbor state. It felt really good to see all the support he has with the Latino/Hispanic community there!
How about a few comments on this poll ?
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1000/obama-lead-widens
"Among Obama supporters, 92 percent said they'd definitely vote for him and 6 percent more said they'd probably vote for him. Just 2 percent said they still could change their minds."
Wow.
the vanishing thread problem again
did the new post disappear for anyone else?
Tim said...
"How about a few comments on this poll ?
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1000/obama-lead-widens"
I think that poll speaks for itself.
Doomsday said...
We are heading for the greatest economic calamity in our nation's 232 year history.
The election of Barack Obama will only exacerbate the problems we face.
Our position as leader of the free world is threatened as we speak. By 2020, we will be an economic equal to Mexico.
Barack Obama will be the worst president in our nation's history. He is a fool when it comes to economics. His economic policies are a disaster waiting to happen.
Remember this: the Soviet Union didn't come crumbling down because someone devastated them by military force or other authoritarian measures.
They were brought down from within. They were brought down by an economic collapse. That is what is waiting for us, and that is the direction Barack Obama is leading us. God help us all!
October 21, 2008 9:29 AM
*******
And McCain is an economic genius? Seriously, McCain himself admits he doesn't know much about economics. he was on video during an interview saying those very words, so it's not a case of misunderstanding.
Yes, we're heading towards being a third world nation with nukes, because we have gotten lazy and complacent as a nation, and too content with getting more and more tax cuts from the government, instead of investing in the future.
You're right, the Soviet Union didn't collapse as a result of a military action, but rather they collapse, when they went bankrupt, which is where we're heading, if we don't get control of our debt. Where did out 10 trillion dollar debt come from? $3 trillion came under Reagan, and $5 trillion came under W. It's interesting, they both believed in Reaganomics, so who is bankrupting this country? The Democrats or the Republicans? Another interestin gnote, an independent economic board looked at both Obama's plan and MCCain and determined that McCain's plan would add over 300 billion more to the Debt, than Obama's, interesting enough.
yes it was a great post but it dissapearedfor me.hmm.
If PEW is right, I'll be buying a round for more than a few people. That would be beautiful -- especially after watching this NEW crappy Palin interview. She is terrifying.
I know im pulling for Obama and hoping for the best case scenario everytime. But arent the state polls reflecting the tightening over the past week? Meaning, now that Obama has expanded his lead again that we should be expecting state polls to reflect that again?
Any thoughts?
I think maybe they are running the regressions and they will post the on= the road post after the update? or is that my imagination too?
nbcnews:
52% to 42%.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122462257051655701.html
Pretty small sample size for Ipsos...
NBC/WSJ Poll:
Obama 52% (Obama +10)
McCain 42%
Previously was:
Obama 49% (Obama +6)
McCain 43%
Chuck Todd on MSNBC now
New NBC/WSJ poll:
O52 - M 42
O +10
NBC 52-42
pordem, check the state polls at the end fo the week. Virgnia is not showing any tightening, neither is NC. The pollsters are all osrt of everywhere but except for Fl and OH I don't see any move towards McCain.
mysticlaker said...
nbcnews:
52% to 42%.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122462257051655701.html
HOT Damn.
Wow, we're all a bunch of sheep, aren't we? :p
I think this is officially the Powell bump.
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
$100 bucks to obama for a great polling day!
Who is with me?
Obama Surge ?
Ram doesn't include cell phone voters. They will always be undercounted. The only poll that matters is the one on election day.
This is great news for John McCain!
Obama: "There are no real or fake parts of this country"
The NBC poll says Palin is McCain's worst problem, worse than Bush, worse than the economy
I think I'll go spend some time on free republic now...
If it weren't for South Carolina and Idaho's razor thin northern finger we'd be wondering about East,West and North coasts going 100% true blue.
Does anyone have that NBC poll?
sfergus483 said...
The NBC poll says Palin is McCain's worst problem, worse than Bush, worse than the economy
Dump ?? HHHHHHAHAHAHHA
liberal_defender_of_freedom said...
Does anyone have that NBC poll?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122462257051655701.html
real joe - which way are you swinging today?
ty
Notice Barack ordering up his slice of pie in the picture
becky sharp said...
real joe - which way are you swinging today?
its very depressing to see the candidate you supported going down
good thing i jumped ship early
I think this is more than just a Powell 'bump'. I believe it gives Obama a great narrative of trustworthiness, which is being reflected in these polls. I believe this is more of a change of fundamentals more than a bump. Minds are being made up.
Some Republicans fear McCain taking risk in Georgia
Link
new thread
I think I'll go spend some time on free republic now...
ooo! do bring some goodies back!
NBC / Wall Street Journal Poll has a 10 point lead? Pew up by 12? Are these reliable polls?
black population= 25%
white population= 75%
well barack, at least you gave it that old college try.
good luck next time.
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