10.30.2008

Today's Polls, 10/29

We're getting to you a little bit late tonight, so let's keep this short and to the point...



With no fewer than 45 polls released since our last update, covering essentially all of the major swing states, we have a pretty good idea of where this race stands -- a far better idea than you'll get by trying to discern the meaning of John Zogby's divining rod or paying any attention to what you see on the front page of Drudge Report. What we can say, when we put all this information together, is that there are two things that John McCain is NOT doing.

Number one, John McCain is NOT closing Obama's margin as quickly as he needs to (if indeed he is closing it at all). This appears to be a 6- or 7- point race right now ... that's where we have it, that's where RCP has it, that where Pollster.com has it. In order to beat Barack Obama, John McCain will need to gain at least one point per day between now and the election. Our model does think that McCain has pared about a point off Obama's margin -- but it has taken him a week to do so. Now, McCain needs to gain six more points in six more days. And he needs to do so with no real ground game, no real advertsing budget, and no one particularly strong message. Not easy.

Number two, John McCain is NOT gaining ground in the states that matter the most. The top tier of states in this election are Virginia, Colorado and Pennsylvania. There is lots of lots of polling in these states, particularly in Virgnia and Pennsylvania, and it's all coming up in roughly the same range, showing Obama leads in the high single digits (in VA and CO) or the low double digits (in PA). The second tier of states is probably Ohio, Florida and Nevada. McCain seems to be getting a bit stronger in Florida; Obama seems to be getting a bit stronger in Ohio and Nevada. McCain does seem to have halted Obama's progress in some of the third-tier states, particularly Missouri and North Carolina. On the other hand, some other third-tier states, like New Mexico and particularly New Hampshire (where Obama is getting some insane numbers lately), now appear to be off the table.

My feeling is that John McCain still needs some sort of external contingency to win the presidency. Even if some of the more conservative turnout models are correct AND even if he were to win large majorities of the undecided vote, he is probably a little bit too far behind to catch up. Rather, McCain will need to find some way to eat into some fraction of Obama's decided vote, and because most of Obama's support is quite hard (e.g. enthusiastic), that will not be easy to do.


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290 comments

David said...

Excellent analysis per usual Nate. Looked awesome on Keith tonight.

Jody said...

Thanks!

someperson718 said...

I have been waiting all day.

fl dem said...

oh, thank god! now i can go to bed.

on another note, do you think that the obama infomercial helped swing any undecideds?

Paul G. Hunt said...

Better Nate then lever!

Electicker 2008

someperson718 said...

I got third, closest I have gotten yet.

AndrewMc said...

Ah, good. Now I can sleep tight.

Brian said...

Thanks Nate!

Zenu said...

Check out that AZ number! Georgia too...maybe some suprise upsets will happen next Tuesday!

jerry said...

Beautiful. Glad I stayed up for the news!

MSC said...

I'm so glad I moved to VA 3 years ago.
Obama/Biden 08

livemild said...

Rasummussen-are they polling people from the RNC now?

wed poll showing Mccain beating Obama on economy, taxes, SS also shows the same people gave Bush approval at 34%????

bush hasnt been over 30 approval in mos...in any poll.

I think Ras is cooking the polls or can anyone here explain it away?

GregM said...

Nate: Left margin still needs update.

el ganador said...

I'm sad to see IN and MO seemingly slipping away, but have to console myself with the idea that regardless Obama is in a rocking position for next Tuesday. I guess I can handle winning without my two childhood home states....

Wa7th said...

(insert joke pretext here)

Better Nate than lever.



insti - this site offers me instigratication.

liberal_defender_of_freedom said...

I heard Lindsay Grahm on the radio today on the Sean Hannity show and he said NH was in play and their internal numbers showed it was a 3 point race there.

Either someone in the McCain campaign is lying or their internal pollsters are horrible. Maybe that explains why they are still going to Iowa.

Sarah Clark said...

Woot! and now, with reassuring polls and a great infomercial (it was made for moderate persuadeables in middle america, and they will love every nanosecond of it), I will away to bed. 6 days, and i can stop angsting over this...

Antonio said...

New glasses Nate? Lookin' good on Countdown.

Wa7th said...

curse you, Paul G. Hunt!

Sonia said...

I don't know el ganador, both Obama and Biden will be in IN in the next two days. We shall see.

TheThirdMan said...

In a way it is less than 6 days in that the news doesn't really move on Sat/Sun and the only news on Tues is VOTING so it is really effectively 3-4 days.

I 'll see you at Grant Park, Nate!

lilnev said...

Who was it that said PA was McCain's route to victory? Oh yeah, the McCain campaign.

Fizz Byers said...

This is great news!!1 For SOMEBODY!@!!111one http://www.VoteRobot.org

justin32099 said...

"I heard Lindsay Grahm on the radio today on the Sean Hannity show and he said NH was in play and their internal numbers showed it was a 3 point race there."

Well, Rasmussen did have it at 4 a week ago, so it's not THAT crazy. Iowa, on the other hand, is nuts.

phil said...

Nate: the date on the left column graphic needs to be updated.

Hopeful in NJ said...

Those Virginia and Pennsylvania polls are wonderful.

Rich Rifkin said...

One of the more interesting polls which came out today was Rasmussen Reports showing that Norm Coleman is up on Al Franken by 4 percent in Minnesota. Franken had previously been leading by a few points. It’s possible this is all noise. It’s also possible that Dean Barkley voters, who may prefer Coleman to Franken, are abandoning their guy near the end in order to prevent a plurality victory by Al Franken.

What I wish Minnesota (and all states) had was instant run-off elections, where voters could just rank the candidates 1-3. That way, people who really do prefer the third party candidate would not feel like they were wasting their votes by voting for him, and still the winner would have the support of a majority.

If Minnesota had choice voting, a runoff would not require an expensive new election (such as Georgia has), which would certainly have low turnout. Choice voting also prevents disasters such as happened in Florida in 2000. Ralph Nader supporters, I think, would have ranked Gore over Bush as their second choice, and Gore would have won the instant runoff.

bizkid23 said...

4.3% is great news FOR JOHN MCCAIN!

RedHawksO4 said...

But Drudge says all the movement is toward McCain, Nate. I don't get it!

Btw, nice job on Olbermann tonight!

(Although you did appear nervous :)

Republicans, Real America, and S&M

Tyler said...

Thanks Nate. We all appreciate everything you're doing. With things as busy as they must be for you right now, we're fine to deal with some late polls. Without you and Sean, we wouldn't have the awesome site at all.

PorridgeGun said...

I'm amazed by how pumped Bill Clinton was in Florida tonight, and how passionate he was on the stump. And I'm even more amazed by how pally both Obama and Clinton were. As you probably, before they went on stage together, they were seen laughing it up with President Jimmy Smits and Bill Nelson. Honestly, you'd think the primaries never happened, or that Hillary was VP. Just unbelievable.


I know the hatchet was buried at the convention, but that was pretty unexpected. Obama and Clinton should definately campaign together in every high-priority state, particularly Ohio.

Luke C. said...

Every day McCain does not get more points is a day you take more points off his win percentage.

Mammoth said...

I'm done with chickens ya'll!

Im a gonna take some of that ENZYTE stuff so I can pump my turkey neck hole.

MCCAIN/PAILIN 08!!!

P.S IS Nat a goddamnd libral?

omar said...

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/OReilly_map.jpg

Bill O'Reilly's electoral map.

bwahahahaha

Jen said...

How did McCain's win percentage go up? Was it mainly the trackers? It seems that Obama leads in all swing states except Missouri.

Bright side for McCain is that he is still holding on to double digit leads in Utah, Idaho, and Kansas.

Jummoor.

I wanna see jummoor of the poll results like Quinnipac and AP/GfK in Ohio. High single digits baby!

Sonia said...

I've heard Clinton is gonna be stumping for Al Franken?

Aaron said...

Nate, I'd love an update on early voting, both what we know so far, and what it means for McCain, especially in Florida and Virginia.

Also, can you tell if the GA polls are pricing in 35% AA turnout? I'm curious if the single-digit numbers we're suddenly seeing are because of that assumption.

Loralee said...

Tuesday cannot come soon enough. I am so tired...








eboost -- that's just what I need!

Michelle said...

Two things:
1. Better late than never.
2. Sweet dreams all!

Brian said...

ahh thanks for the update mammoth...

Troy said...

third,
You forgot Halloween.
Tomorrow will be about the obamamercial.

That leaves Monday. I wonder what Obama has planned for Sunday night to get our attention...

John McCain is my Love Child! said...

I look forward to when the infomercial filters into the polls...

Not mentioning McCain was key.

bizkid23 said...

Nate,

I love the fact that you are a serious pollster but aren't afraid to call people out on their bullshit. Drudge, Zogby, RCP, etc. THANK YOU

However, what's up with McCain losing ground in state polls but gaining in odds of winning? Does the model weight the national numbers too much or what? From the gut it looks like McCain is in much worse shape today than he was two or three days ago.

Cheers

Aaron said...

OK, can we let the "Bill O'Reilly's electoral map" thing die?

It's on an O'Reilly page, but it clearly says at the top that it's based on AP's "battleground" assumptions. Those assumptions just appear to be ancient old. The map lets you compare current Politico and RCP projections, so it's hardly a prediction from O'Reilly.

Bob said...

Nate, you looked pretty corporate on KO tonight. Suit tie and glasses.

While McCain may be closing a little Obama is consistently polling over 50% both nationally and in the swing states. As undecideds make up their mind as long as Obama can hold his voters McCain can only get close but not win. Everybody just needs to go vote!

Joe Benevides said...

And McCain will also not be able to do anything about the Obama votes already banked in early voting. Too late. . . Game's over. . . Thanks for playin'.

I hope. *fingers, eyes, and legs crossed*

dvdmgsr said...

My feeling is that John McCain still needs some sort of external contingency to win the presidency.

And it doesn't appear that revelations of his support for progressive taxation (which, of course, he shares with his equally socialist opponent) are going to provide that contingency.

It's as though the McCain campaign is convinced it's going to find pictures of Obama posing in a dashiki brandishing an AK-47 with Bobby Seale, or a secret tape of him smoking crack with Marion Barry. They don't seem to realize that their opponent is the straight arrow, not the two kooks they nominated. Keep on looking, folks. Keep looking for the WMD.

Jordan said...

I got bored waiting for the polls and edited some old primary footage together.

Granted its a little over the top, I don't think Louisiana, Oklahoma, Alabama are doable.

But something to look forward to...I'm not cocky, just confident

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mNOa9XdtbE

Clarissa said...

I'm confused. Either the McCain camp is leaking shit every which way, or they are carefully controlling internal poll leaks that are extremely favorable to them. NH O+3. I think someone on a previous thread said that Christ mentioned a FL M+3-4. And there is the memo. Disinformation campaign using the non-conformist internal pollster data (or just making it up as they go along). And who is this guy and what is he doing differently? And when will the poll leak plan start falling apart under the McCain campaigns natural incompetence?

Zenu said...

LOL @ Billy OReilly's electoral map. Where on earth do these people live? Oregon is a tossup and North Carolina is in the bank for McCain..ahahah

NC_voter said...

These polls are great news!!! For Barack Obama!!!

Wow, look how BLUE that map is!

On this day, October 29th, in 2004, George Bush led John Kerry 49.0% to 46.4%.
For Final results, please see presidential inauguration, January 2005

John Kerry never again led in any major tracking poll



(51) days since the Fundamental Shift towards McCain/Palin as described by PeteKent

You 'Cons should be getting really nervous!

Congratulations to President Barack HUSSEIN Obama Jr. Get used to saying it, rethugs.
(emphasis placed on middle name to spite race-mongerers who tried to use it politically)

Cowardly Trolltards MIA:

Midpoint Man
Oz Johnny
Greg
Jack Black
CTPEM
CTSTW

(6) days left until the McCain concession speech.

JaBbA said...

Nate:

Why did Indiana turn pinkish? There was no new poll there. Or was that yesterday?

Matthew said...

Wouldn't the fact that another round of polls out in Ohio, Florida, Colorado, Virginia and Nevada showing Obama with strong leads one day closer to election day mean that Obama's win percentage should be going up? Because Obama just has to win one of those states. Obama has polled ahead of McCain in every single poll of Virginia since September, which to me means that with six days left he has close to 100% of winning Virginia, and thus the election.

Hank Gillette said...

PA may be important, but it shouldn't have 101%.

Jen said...

Who is McCain? Is that old guy that is complaining about the young dude that is stealing his job?

Nessimu? The sound the Loch Ness monster makes?

Sonia said...

clarissa, the only explanation I have is that either they have the shittiest pollsters ever working for them, of they're using real polls, just highly targeted ones. Like, Obama is only +3 in New Hampshire with white middle class men making more than $200k.

Ok, maybe not, since that's half of New Hampshire...

Mason said...

jabba said...
Nate:

Why did Indiana turn pinkish? There was no new poll there. Or was that yesterday?


Implied movement from national tracker data.

Geoff said...

Wow, that's a lot of polling! Florida is much bluer than I had expected! AZ & GA both seem to be trending to Obama, & MO seems to be trending to McCain.

But damn, Florida with CO, NH, NV, OH, PA, VA... they all show consistently solid leads for Obama at +3 to +15 margins.

This post is great news... for Americans & our friends around the world. Let's get this Dem elected.

Will I see anyone here in Highland, IN this Friday for the Obama rally?

Troy said...

I'm guessing Nate is a liberal. Though I'm not sure about what God has planned for his eternal salvation. But since His Son had some liberal beliefs, there's probably a few lefties in heaven.

ThisIsForTheCool said...

Great news going into the final few days....as an earlier poster stated, there are really only a couple of newsworthy days remaining: Thurs., Friday and Monday (election eve)...other days just can't generate the news nationally to impact this election. Go Obama...let's all get our family, friends, associates, mere acquaintances and total strangers to the polls to vote for Obama and a new direction for the Country.

PorridgeGun said...

Sonia said...

I've heard Clinton is gonna be stumping for Al Franken?




I hope so, he needs it. Obama should also stump for him, but that's unlikely. He should at least cut an ad for Franken. I'd sacrifice falling one seat short of 60 if Franken could take down Norm Coleman. The recent Raspublican Minnesota senate poll sucks balls.

HurricaneWatcher said...

JaBba:

There were 3 Indiana polls yesterday. One by a known group (R2000) showed a 1 point Obama lead. One bad poll group (zogby) showed a 6.2 Mc lead. And the unknown (Howey-Gauge) showed a 2 Mc lead.

Something says I should trust R2000 more than the other 2.

WV:Upsera. I'm sorry I cannot make a sentence with it, as I am unimaginative.

HedgeHog said...

Hey Nate, just say the race is tight as hell and that McCain has a good chance to win so NO ONE gets complacent and EVERYONE makes sure to go and vote. I like to read your analysis but I'm getting nervous about the numbers coming out of the exit polls. It looks like once again the YOUTH VOTE IS DISAPPOINTING. I'm a few years past that age now so maybe I'm out of the loop, but why aren't young people going out to vote??? If you're young, GO VOTE and GET ALL YOUR FRIENDS to GO VOTE NOW if you have early voting or make sure to arrange for everyone to go on Nov. 4th if you don't have early voting!

Jen said...

"Christ mentioned a FL M+3-4."

___________________________________

Was that before or after "I am the way and the truth and the life"?" :)

Lemnesu. McCain lemnecu leave this election with some dignity.

TheNoseKnows said...

If anyone believes that Obama is up 25 points in New Hampshire (or anything approaching that) as these University of New Hampshire polls suggest, then I don't know what to tell you. Here's how it works. *Ring* I'm calling to conduct a survey. Who are you supporting for president? Obama, right? McCain? Racist! *Click*

Josh said...

Really that state polling is great news. With Colorado, Nevada, NH, Virginia, and Pennsylvania all looking like very very good bets for Obama right now - it's hard to imagine a McCain win scenario - without some sort of huge game changing event taking place.

That being said, I'm really hoping that these national numbers are McCain's peak - the final gasp - and Obama's lead in the tracking polls expands from now until election day. I want double digit leads!

Remember, no matter how many times Sarah Palin, John McCain, & Fox News lie about it: Barack Obama Is Not A Socialist, Unless McCain Is too.

John McCain is my Love Child! said...

Thanks for the super late update, by the way. I got a couple of crucial projects finished, because I wasn't updating every two minutes from 5:00pm, nor was I adding to 1000 comment threads. Instead, I figured I would check after midnight, take you at your word for a late post...

So, seriously, thanks. Six days until I can start working productively again...

Edward said...

Looks like the AZ numbers are making somebody nervous...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dawn-teo/mccain-forced-to-robocall_b_139021.html

Joe said...

"most of Obama's support is quite hard"

THAT'S WHAT NATE SAID

word verification is "winfle" - so, those are the two possibilities; either Barack does the first, or I do the second.

Cooper said...

I voted today in Georgia (Fulton) and looking at the turnout I saw, the early voting numbers, and some of the recent polling I have a really strong gut feeling that GA could be the big surprise on Tuesday. I know I'm probably being too optimistic, but I really wouldn't be surprised.

Mason said...

Thisisforthecool:

The big news tomorrow will be the release of the Advance GDP numbers if they are bad.

sfergus483 said...

For historical purposes:

In every campaign where the frontrunner lost ground near the end, losing what seemed to be a clear lead to end up with a tight victory, it was clear by the Wednesday before the election.

1948 - polling stopped 2 weeks before the election, but Truman was drawing huge crowds and some sensed things were changing

1960 - JFK was not as far ahead as Obama, but his smaller lead was already disappearing (Nixon lost)

1968 - Humphrey came charging from 13 points down two weeks out, but it was very clear a week before he had changed the dynamic (Hunphrey lost)

1976 - Ford was starting to come from way back around 3 weeks out, and climbed clearly and steadily (Ford lost)

1980 - different year because of the last minute race, but it was clear was that was held, the race was over, and Reagan would win

2000 - Gore lagged much of October, but was clearly gaining all the last week

In other words, in previous narrowing at the last minute races, much more was evident at this point, and except for Reagan and Truman, the come from behind candidate lost

(bysock)

Lawrence said...

1. 538 on MSNBC is GREAT NEWS!!! for Nate Silver!!!

2. Watch Georgia, people. Watch it closely. I'll be off to Barack the vote in Atlanta tomorrow myself.

3. Props to Crist! Keep those Florida polls open!

chopperjc said...

Howey Gauge is a legit outfit. Brian Howey has covered IN for years.

TrumanHugh said...

When does your model start to react to the AZ polls? It would seem to me that the recent spate of tightening/Obama-favored polls from AZ would lighten the color a shade or two.

Also, why the pinking of Indiana?

wordver: wauries, then, hanonink (I guess I took too long and the first word expired?!)

Ardent Henry said...

omg, i 2nd the emotion of the FL something-or-other.

I CAN SLEEP NOW. what was I worried aboot? hell, some polls showed KERRY AHEAD on MONDAY!

McDole willn't be ahead in a single Nat Tracker on Monday.

HEY! maybe Nate can give us some clue re predictions for us on Mondaie?

I cant wait.

My prediction, as of today for the Nat'l % is Obama 52% McCain 46%, 2% for others.

I'll give you my state by state , & Nat'l analysis on Monday. I hope Nate has us all set up on Monday to have fun like this.

hydru: water, water, water, ...

sfergus483 said...

(Left out Kerry from above of course)

Jen said...

"If anyone believes that Obama is up 25 points in New Hampshire (or anything approaching that) as these University of New Hampshire polls suggest, then I don't know what to tell you. Here's how it works. *Ring* I'm calling to conduct a survey. Who are you supporting for president? Obama, right? McCain? Racist! *Click*"

___________________________________

Interesting analysis. Did you get a hold of some top secret polling script that all the bad (i.e. ones that have Obama leading) pollsters been using? I think you better go post this right away at freerepublic.com. They will know what to do. Go get 'em tiger!

Hytortwr. (Welsh word?) Hytortwr! is how Alberto Gonzalez, Bushie and Rumsfield used to greet each other.

GregM said...

Jordan: Great video...I really like that song from the convention.

Cugel said...

This is just appalling news for John McCain at this point in the race, poll after poll showing him getting CRUSHED in the most important battleground states.

CO and VA alone are death-blows. Nevada Obama +5 or greater makes a mockery of McCain's efforts in PA!

Even if McCain somehow flipped PA, held FL, MO, NC and OH, he STILL loses if Obama wins VA, CO and NV!

I'm just not seeing ANY path to victory for McCain at this point.

As for the surge in his tracking polling, that's explained: http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=240CBBCFDD378B3CAE3150E233C21A7F?diaryId=9513

According to Research 2000 daily tracker polling, McCain has picked up 7% in the Northeast, and 7% in the South in the last 4 days, but he's gained only 2% in the Midwest, not nearly enough for him to win anything, and 0% in the West where he's dead in the water in CO, NV, NM, CA, WA, OR, WA.

In short, McCain is moving up in the Northeast where he hasn't a prayer of winning anything at all (he gained +5% in NY in the last 4 days!)

He's moved up in the South, which can only help him in FL or NC, the only Southern states that are in play. He's probably picked up a few points in both, but Florida is still tending Obama. NC probably swung back to McCain, for all the good it'll do him.

But, he's losing ground in Ohio, and the Midwest generally outside Indiana which Obama no longer has any use for.

Right now, McCain loses Ohio, Penn., Colorado, Virginia, New Mexico, Iowa, Nevada and the election.

verification: "Impwood" somehow that's appropriate.

RoseGrower said...

The Iowa State Daily News is reporting that McCain is ejecting attendees from rallies based on the fact that they don't "look" like they should be supporters. This is ridiculous. I'd say it was unbelievable, but this IS McCain, who has plumbed new depths of low.

Below is just a small excerpt

http://www.iowastatedaily.com/articles/2008/10/28/news/local_news/doc49068f6ccce49245010961.txt

She said McCain staffers wouldn’t tell her why she was being asked to leave and when she got outside, she saw “a group of about 20 people” who had all been asked to leave.

Elborno said after seeing the people who were asked to leave, she was concerned that McCain’s staffers were profiling people on appearance to determine who might be a potential protester.

“When I started talking to them, it kind of became clear that they were kind of just telling people to leave that they thought maybe would be disruptive, but based on what? Based on how they looked,” Elborno said. “It was pretty much all young people, the college demographic.”

Elborno said even McCain supporters were among those being asked to leave.

“I saw a couple that had been escorted out and they were confused as well, and the girl was crying, so I said ‘Why are you crying? and she said ‘I already voted for McCain, I’m a Republican, and they said we had to leave because we didn’t look right,’” Elborno said. “They were handpicking these people and they had nothing to go off of, besides the way the people looked.”

sabr_blogger said...

I'd still love it Nate - when you get a breather from appearing on Oprah, taking your prize in Stockholm, and posing for that new bust on Rushmore - if you took a look into Arizona. It's not just the Cronkite poll that had them 2 apart and the Zimmerman (D) one with the same gap. The previous one that I can see internals on (Northern Arizona U.) has McCain up 8, but actually would have had Obama up by *ten* if you applied 2008 party IDs to their support rates among the 3 groups. Obama is kicking butt (62-20) among Indies, and a huge registration shift has occurred from GOP to Ind since 2004. But they seem to be using the old weightings still. Interesting.

MSNBC's First Read mentions some "private polls" that show a close race there too.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/27/1596444.aspx


WV: BEGISH. "Obama has a begish lead but I'd like to see it even begger."

ThisIsForTheCool said...

Mason said:

The big news tomorrow will be the release of the Advance GDP numbers if they are bad.


I forgot about those numbers coming out tomorrow which are supportive of a new direction....oh well, down to two newsworthy days for Mccain....

Geoff said...

Nate, PS! Nice show with Olbermann tonight. I wear glasses quite similar to yours. We're cool kids, ovvi.

& congrats to the Phillies. The quietest World Series finale I've ever seen.

(inqua)

LoudounLib said...

New commenter here, as I said in the previous thread. Love the site, and there are so many knowledgeable and excellent commenters here. Thanks to Nate for keeping us all informed. And you did great on Countdown!

With all that said, and notwithstanding the favorable numbers for Barack -- I can't help biting my nails a bit until the outcome later on Tuesday. Please, somebody, talk me down! We're doing all that we can, GOTV-wise, and I just have to believe that Barack is going to win, and win big.

Joe said...

hurricanewatcher:

upsera:

1. despite what drudge may tell you, obama is still upsera points.

2. mccain and palin are sure upsera now.

and now mine, "enalcis." which is what nate took too long to do for us today.

Wa7th said...

Troy, preach louder, he's Jewish.

Josh said...

RoseGrower - that's a great story (in that it's horrible for McCain) - I hope CNN picks up on it.

Josh said...

No new Zogby #s tonight? I thought they came out at midnight.

Jen said...

Loudounlib, after the terrible let downs of the prior two elections, it is only natural to feel trepidation. Obama is an incredibly savvy campaigner and he is ahead in the polls. Things are really looking good.

Redsai. What the Republicans will be doing on November 5.

Troy said...

loud,
My head is convinced Obama will win, but the rest of me is an anxious mess.

But we have to be careful about saying such things, because concern trolling is not looked upon kindly here...

reeph: we will reeph what we sow

Cugel said...

"In other words, in previous narrowing at the last minute races, much more was evident at this point, and except for Reagan and Truman, the come from behind candidate lost"

Those races were nothing like 2008 though.

In 1948 Truman came back by staging a quietly effective train ride campaign through the battleground states and giving simple speeches that showed he related to ordinary people. There was NO polling in those days to tell what was happening, but Truman was rising for probably 2 months before the election. It wasn't ONE huge performance like a nationally televised debate or anything that helped him -- it was a slow steady visiting of every important state and talking directly to voters. No TV in those days -- most people didn't have one.

Meanwhile Tom Dewey ran victory laps and started working on his inauguration speech.

That campaign was the last victory of the New Deal and all Truman had to do is convince voters he would be more like the old days they liked under FDR.

Carter/Reagan had the last debate a little over 1 week before the election, and Reagan won decisively.

Also in those earlier eras, the polling was MUCH less reliable (about 4 fewer daily trackers and 30 fewer pollsters makes for much more error).

Reagan had led much of the Campaign, but Carter staged something of a comeback until Reagan nailed it down during the debate.

If you want an election comparison, Obama is Reagan 1980. During the debates and afterwards Obama had to convince voters who REALLY wanted change that he was an acceptable President. Obama's clearly done that with his quiet confidence, his calm demeanor and knowledge about the issues.

He's reassured America in just the way Reagan did when Carter attacked him for being too "radical."

"By the end of the week, he'll be attacking me as a secret communist because I shared my toys in Kindergarten."

Bozo said...

Oh well, it looks like Obama 400 EV isn't really plausible any more even as a long-shot. It would be nice if he could take all of the battle grounds and flip AZ, GA, ND and MT. But it looks like those odds are less than 1% now. A couple of days ago the upper-end tail of projected results in the Monte-Carlo was running up to 420 with some visible height. Now it's just about zeroed out.

Still could happen, though. And that McCain landslide 1 in 10,000 chance still keeps cropping up too.

pownesse -Her Pownesse the world champion of women's boxing...

Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...

Thanks NC-Voter I needed that. The day's polling is not complete until I read that.

Derek said...

Wow! Kay Hagan... the woman running against Lizzy Dole... is a freaking Sunday school teacher... yet Lizzy dole has an add out saying and misleading that she is for a godless America!

Lizzy Dole, you are worse than McCain

Jen said...

How old is Pat Buchanan now? I am watching the re-run of Hardball and I swear Buchanan was old back when I was a kid.

Fadmint. McCain needs to eat a fadmint. He does not appear to have fresh breath.

LoudounLib said...

Troy -- omg, no concern trolling meant from here, not at all. Just nerves!

jen -- thanks, exactly what I'm feeling. I'll go forward with confidence.

GregM said...

CNN results page is now up (obviously no data yet): Election Center 2008

Looks like they will have some pretty nice results reporting, including county maps for each state.

TSVictoriaBC said...

Gee, UT is a tough nut to crack.

PresidentHussein said...

Nate -- You're still overlooking the impact of Obama's overwhelming turnout advantage. Even if McCain closes the gap to zero on Tues, Obama's massive turnout will crush him by 5-7 points. I'm predicting a 10-pt margin. Any state that's within 4-5 points according to polls today is in play for Obama -- e.g., GA.

Jen said...

"Lizzy Dole, you are worse than McCain"

___________________________________

Desperation will make people do some awful things. Besides, everyone knows that Sunday school teachers are jerks. I mean you would have to be to spend your weekend teaching other people's children. Never mind, that is not what a jerk does a jerk shows a picture of an opponent in an ad while someone else says something that many find offensive.

Lasta. Dole's (and McCain's) dirty tactics are the lasta straw!

slicknickshady said...

CNN online election center is going to be one of the 5 windows open on my laptop while im sitting in front of my 57 in TV watching cnn. The 5 websites I will have open..

MSNBC, POLITICO, CNN, FIVETHIRTYEIGHT, and FACEBOOK.

Dale Petrie said...

To anyone concerned that ANYTHING could happen to swing this race back to McCain, can we agree to two things?

1) Kerry states are safe (including New Hampshire given recent polling data), and

2) Iowa is safe.

If you agree with those two statements, Obama has 259 EV's that can't be lost or stolen.

That means that at 7pm ET when polls close in Virginia, as soon as they call it, if they call it for Obama (regardless of what happens in Georgia or Indiana, not to mention Nevada, Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, New Mexico, Colorado, Missouri, North Dakota, Montana, South Dakota, Arkansas, Arizona, West Virginia or the first and second Congressional districts of Nebraska), Obama will have won the election, and EVERYONE will know it before 8pm.

Just sayin'

John said...

Luntz focus group results?

I keep hearing/reading that Luntz was doing a focus group for FOX on Obama's commercial tonight.

But I can't find anything about it anywhere. Did anyone see anything about it?

I'm really curious about the results.

liberal_defender_of_freedom said...

I think you are right PresidentHussein kind of. I've heard you can add around 2% for an effective ground game. Considering Obama has a phenomenal ground game maybe it will go up to 3%.

Derek said...

McCain's campaign is Bersick...

I hope Lizzy's ad will cost her the election... That would be awesome! I want dems who do shit like this to get the boot e.g. Mahoney in Florida. But I want republicans who do stuff like this to get the boot like Lizzy Dole, Stephens, McCain, Inhoffe, Cornyn, etc. get what they deserve

GregM said...

slicknickshady: Any particular parts of the MSNBC/Politico/Facebook sites that you would recommend?

Davy said...

Nate! Great to see you on Countdown. One critique. Can you grow facial hair? Because you look like a seventeen year old. I emphasize. I'm a forty something geek and could only grow a beard recently. I'm not suggesting you look like Chuck Todd, but your data would take more authority if you looked older. Sorry, image matters.

Kellic said...

Nate,


Your tex messaging service. Does this include state by state election results the day of the 4th? I'm an election judge and as much as I've love to have a TV to monitor what is going on I'm pretty sure my chair would not approve. ;-)
I've spent the last day trying to find SOMEONE who would be doing this the day of the elections...so far natta.

Eric said...

a short photo essay this evening in harlem:
http://1000strings.blogspot.com/2008/10/walk-through-harlem-on-eve-of-election.html

Aaron said...

To those concerned about Indiana turning more red today despite the lack of polls: I think this has to do with out Nate does his projections - the polls that show Obama in the lead have lost some weighting due to their age, but the regression that shows McCain in the lead has stayed at the same weight. I hope that made sense.

mia said...

Um just responding to the dude who says that nate looks like a seventeen year old... I'm not a pedophile, man. Nate looked like a grown ass man. Nice glasses.

slicknickshady said...

gregm,

I liked all the features MSNBC and POLITICO had during the primarys as well as CNN. I like posting in the Obama one million strong facebook group. Ill also post in whatever news is up on fivethirtyeight.

Troy said...

Loud,
I know. That's exactly how I feel. Just trying to be lighthearted.

Kansas City said...

I sense a little concern in Nate's post. He acknowleges that McCain is closing, but suggests it is too late. Of course, if there is a two or three point further move by Saturday, panic will set in.

There is a theory that McCain gets most of the undecided because with the Obama lead and very favorable press treatment, there is little reason for an ultimate Obama voter to be undecided at this point.

The LA Times is in a mess. They have a video tape of Obama at a dinner honoring some radical Palestinian with Ayers and other radicals. It might affect the election, and they are refusing to show it based on a likely false claim that they promised the source that they would not show it. Whatever reputation the Times still has will be lost if they don't at least publish a transcript of the video tape. But they likely will hold firm rather than potentiallly cost Obama the election. Anyone her willing to take the high road and agree that the Times should release the tape?

Derek said...

lellic.. can't you get a friend to sned you texts? I am going to be a watch aprty that night and I'll text you if you ed t... Thanks for working for Obama...

LOL I am sorta teasing about texting you

ROFL: my word is redstate

GregM said...

OK...I get "Service Unavailable" on the Zogby site...

chopperjc said...

Zogby site problems again

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slicknickshady said...

WTF is Zogby?

also this word verification thing is starting to drive me nuts. lol.

Subterranean said...

Hahaha, the Big Dog brought the bark tonight.

I still miss Bill. :(

slicknickshady said...

WTF = Where The Fu*k...Not What the Fu*k.

LoudounLib said...

troy -- it's all good. Handshake :-)

Richard said...

Bozo--an alternative use for "pownesse":

McCain has been relying on his pownesse to carry him to victory.

Derek said...

They have a video tape of Obama at a dinner honoring some radical Palestinian with Ayers and other radicals. It might affect the election, and they are refusing to show it based on a likely false claim that they promised the source that they would not show it. Whatever reputation the Times still has will be lost if they don't at least publish a transcript of the video tape. But they likely will hold firm rather than potentiallly cost Obama the election. Anyone her willing to take the high road and agree that the Times should release the tape?

Douchenozzle... turn off fox news and watch a credilbe news source.. there is a story written describing every last detail of the event

Shawn said...

New T-Shirt: I stayed up all night for Zogby and all I got was a stinkin' 404 error.

TX_Democrat said...

Will we ever get a decent poll out of ND? I am curious to see where they are now. The entire West is getting bluer each day.

Nicholas Warino said...

They have a video tape of Obama at a dinner honoring some radical Palestinian

Khalidi is not a radical Palestinian. He's a highly respected Middle Eastern scholar who at the time worked at the University of Chicago (along with Obama).

John McCain, by the way, gave him thousands of dollars worth of scholastic grants.

chopperjc said...

Zogby 50.2 o 43.3 m

Derek said...

Also... McCain as a chairman of a republican something or other group gave this "radical" 500,000...

This guy is a proffessor... Just like Ayers... Again, would a college hire a terrorist?

At the dinner Obama said Isreal and Palistine should find comming ground... this was reported in April by the LA Times

The Game said...

LOL Booya! So much for tightening with Zogby!

O: 50.2
M: 43.3

Josh said...

This Khalidi thing is just the latest absolutely ridiculous desperate attempt by McCain/Palin to get the subject off of the issues. It's just SAD.

I can't wait until 11/4 when we can put the McCain/Palin campaign out of our misery.

Bruce said...

Kansas City:

I take the reporter at his word when he said the source provided the tape as long as they did not release it. I even suspect that they weren't allowed to copy it. This is a freedom of the press issue. Regardless, do you honestly believe that the tape has anything of merit on it? We're talking about a professor who is unpopular with the pro-Israeli movement, not someone who has engaged in anything remotely violent or destructive. Regardless, McCain funded the professors work.

It certainly isn't something that would play in the Jewish community which is something I think McCain is banking on (I should know, my family is Jewish).

sfergus483 said...

How about this tradeoff - while we are violating confidentiality agreements on sources, why not tell who in the McCain campaign is badmouthing Palin?

What's good for the goose...

Derek said...

common ground... not comming ground...

KungFuGrip said...

McCain's group just didn't give Khalidi "thousands" of dollars in grants, it was nearly $500,000.

Once again, McCain/Palin's "mavericky" past makes it tough for their smears to stick.

Green said...

If you can get zogby write-up, can you please cut and paste it for us.

Thanks.

Anne said...

Thanks Nate! I'm personally kind of boggling at the tight numbers in AZ. I can't wait for election night!

Question: is there any way to UNsubscribe from the text messages? I always catch them on the site at least half an hour before I get the text... (no, I'm not addicted to 538, why do you ask?)

GregM said...

slicknickshady said: I liked all the features MSNBC and POLITICO had during the primarys as well as CNN.

What kind of stuff did MSNBC and Politico have? (I just followed CNN.)

Josh said...

Dale Petrie - I love what you said about Virginia winning Obama the election. I'm in Virginia and we're really excited about having the power to essentially clinch it for Obama.

I'm hoping the Obama TV Special & Bill Clinton campaigning with Obama will give Obama a final burst of momentum that pushes him into Election Day with the wind at his back.

sfergus483 said...

Now we know what the meaning was behind the main image on Drudge tonight (144 hours - the headline - and then a dramatic picture of Obama - he likely had the numbers, and figured it's over)

beamman said...

It's 16 minutes after the hour, where the hell is Zogby??

TX_Democrat said...

I am glad to see Obama's numbers go up, but I am not a big fan of Zogby. I remember four years ago when he called the race for Kerry at about 2PM on Election Day.

beamman said...

Here's the Reuters writeup (finally!):

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama has opened a 7-point lead over Republican rival John McCain with five days left in the race for the White House, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Thursday.

Obama leads McCain by 50 percent to 43 percent among likely voters in the three-day national tracking poll, building on his 5-point advantage on Wednesday. The telephone poll has a margin of error of 2.9 percentage points.

It was the second consecutive day Obama's lead has grown as the two-year presidential battle draws to a close. McCain is struggling to overtake Obama's lead in every national opinion poll and in many battleground states.

"This is not good news for McCain. The race was tightening for a few days but now it is going back the other way," pollster John Zogby said.

Support for Obama, a first-term senator from Illinois, hit or exceeded the 50 percent mark for the seventh time in the last 10 days. McCain's support has not reached 46 percent in more than three weeks of polling.

Obama held steady or expanded his edge among several crucial blocs of swing voters, leading by 19 points among independents, 10 points among women, 9 points among Catholics and 7 points among voters above the age 65.

Obama also moved ahead of McCain, an Arizona senator, by 5 points among men. McCain still leads by 8 points among white voters but only earns the support of about 30 percent of Hispanics, a fast-growing group that gave President George W. Bush more than 40 percent of their vote in 2004.

The poll also found Obama was doing a better job of reaching across ideological lines, earning the support of nearly 20 percent of self-described conservatives. McCain wins about 10 percent of liberals.

Both candidates campaigned in Florida on Wednesday as Obama simultaneously ran a 30-minute advertisement on three national television networks. He also appeared at a late-night rally in Orlando with former President Bill Clinton -- their first joint campaign event.

Independent Ralph Nader received 2 percent in the national survey, and Libertarian Bob Barr was at 1 percent. About 2 percent of voters remain undecided.

The rolling tracking poll, taken Monday through Wednesday, surveyed 1,202 likely voters in the presidential election. In a tracking poll, the most recent day's results are added, while the oldest day's results are dropped to monitor changing momentum.

The U.S. president is determined by who wins the Electoral College, which has 538 members apportioned by population in each state and the District of Columbia. Electoral votes are allotted on a winner-take-all basis in all but two states, which divide them by congressional district. (Editing by Doina Chiacu)"

The Game said...

No luck yet getting the Zogby write up, but with those numbers growing to a 7 pt spread again, it seems highly unlikely now that even he would show a 2-3 pt race by monday.

Franco said...

Waiting up for Zogby we are true poll ho's

Derek said...

Anybody care to take a look at the 2010 senate races so far?

Evan Bayh (D-IN)
Robert Bennett (R-UT)
Christopher "Kit" Bond (R-MO)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Sam Brownback (R-KS)
Jim Bunning (R-KY)
Richard Burr (R-NC)
Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Jim DeMint (R-SC)
Christopher Dodd (D-CT)
Byron Dorgan (D-ND)
Russell Feingold (D-WI)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Judd Gregg (R-NH)
Daniel Inouye (D-HI)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Blanche Lincoln (D-AR)
Mel Martinez (R-FL)
John McCain (R-AZ)
Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Patty Murray (D-WA)
Barack Obama (D-IL)
Harry Reid (D-NV)
Ken Salazar (D-CO)
Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
Arlen Specter (R-PA)
John Thune (R-SD)
David Vitter (R-LA)
George Voinovich (R-OH)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)

Naur said...

To anyone who doubt the absurdity of the McCain campaign: They opened a few offices in California a few months ago, didn't they? A McCain spokesman said that he was confident California would be in play. Same thing McCain is saying about PA and NH now.

The Game said...

Just read the write up at the site and even Zogby is now quoted as saying McLame needs "a wing and a prayer" and he said Obama had a big polling night. So yeah, don't count on this one falling to a 2-3 pt race by monday it seems.

sfergus483 said...

The replacement for Biden will also be up in 2010 unless DE law dictates earlier election.

Derek said...

I think a reasonalby optimistic take on 2010 is that the dems might pickup about 9 seats depending on how well the dems do governing

Batamm said...

What did you all think about the Obama ad where Paline is blinking? I think it is effective and shoulf have debuted two weeks ago.

Josh said...

I think Zogby's numbers are almost certainly biased in McCain's favor because of his 2004 ID weighting (I think Nate said that Zogby's numbers in 2004 were biased in Kerry's favor because he used 2000 ID weighting.)

But regardless of that, I imagine there's at least some merit to his numbers (maybe after you add 3 points to Obama) so it's nice to see them trending the right way.

Have you guys seen the "HIS CHOICE" ad? I think it could be pretty effective as it tells a story in McCain's own words and it's obvious to most that he made a horrible decision choosing Palin.

GregM said...

LOL @ Zogby (in light of the "this is great news for X" meme frequently used here): "This is not good news for McCain."

GaMeS said...

Maybe my memory is decaying after losing so much sleep by reading 538 at all hours ... but Nate didn't wear glasses on his other appearances, did he?


As for the polling update, agreed: McFail has no realistic chance to pull this out. His "absurdity of the week" strategy -- celebrity! babykiller! terrorist! traitor! socialist! antiplumber! -- is driving up enthusiasm in the radical right, and that makes them more likely to get past the likely voter screen. In contrast, the higher enthusiasm on Obama's side -- which is also driven up by McCain's attacks -- was already high enough to register on the LV screens, so it doesn't move their numbers as much.


Here's the thing, though: Even when they're not enthusiastic, the far right is disproportionately likely to vote (ditto for the far left), so I doubt this will change the actual vote totals by as much as it seems.


Add in the differences in GOTV and the probable undercounting of Obama voters in the polls (cell phone only, need greater # of call attempts for response, etc.), and I think that we're looking at a final score even better than what we're seeing here -- I'll peg it at a solid +3 points, even after subtracting a solid point because of Republican tactics like voter caging, etc.

Here's my call for the final results:

Obama 54, McCain 44, Barr 1, Nader 1

Obama 375 EV, McCain 163 EV

Yes, I think Obama will get NC, MO, and IN ... I could see him missing all three if things cut against him, but I could also see him picking up WV or GA if things go exceptionally well.

One last prediction:
The margin in Texas will be single digits.


WV: revil. As in, "I will revil in the streets when Obama wins on Tuesday."

Walrus said...

Nice evil genius glasses on Countdown, Mr. Silver...


Sorry, I know that doesn't contribute...

Batamm said...

Tomorrow zogby will be on MSNBC pimping his poll.

Josh said...

I just read that Zogby write-up. I think it's ridiculous how he claims all of these wild fluctuations in subgroups. Like either candidate is quickly losing 10% support in groups like "white men." I don't buy it.

beamman said...

" Batamm said...
Tomorrow zogby will be on MSNBC pimping his poll."

Yeah, I don't trust this guy.... Having his numbers trend back to Obama may just be him deciding to crawl up the Obama camp's collective butt for a while (after crawling up McCain's for the last few days).

LoudounLib said...

@games -- another non-contributing post, but Nate rocks the glasses ;-)

Kansas City said...

Derek said "there is a story written describing every last detail of the event."

How can someone even think that when there is simply a couple page news story compared with hours of a video tape?

I have no idea what Obama actually said or did that night, or if any McCain group has contact with the Palestinian supporter, but the LA Times is in an awful situation where they will be foreever further tainted by this.

There is no reason why the Times could not print a transcript, which would not conflict with their alleged promise not to show the video.

Derek said...

Let Freedom Ring has a new ad talking about how Obama pressed teh Chicken button )present) when hwe was leading IL... these ads are so rediculous but here they come... The republican attack machine is gearing up me thinks

Word: ANDSHE will cost McCain the election

Josh said...

Kansas City - give it up. This is a non-story. Didn't you read that McCain gave this PROFESSOR $400K???

Do you really think any normal voter cares about Obama going to a party with some PROFESSORS 7 years ago or whatever hell it is?

You right wing lunatics. I just don't get where the hell you are coming from.

Josh said...

derek - I saw a really disgusting LET FREEDOM RING ad today that played a clip of Obama saying "I don't want my daughters punished with a baby" and then some woman starts yammering about how horrible it would be to have a President that things children are a "punishment" ... Just... Wow. It's just shocking how disgusting these ads are to me. Anyone with 2 brain cells understands what Obama was talking about. It's always about twisting someones words out of context and trying to make them into some kind of boogey man. God I hope people are smart enough to hold on 5 more days and vote for Barack Obama. These disgusting campaign tactics just HAVE to lose this time. We've had enough.

Remember everyone: The people telling you this BS about Obama are the same people that got you to vote for George W. Bush.

madamerica said...

I don't think we should worry about the numbers at this point, we all know what pollster has what kind of bias. It's all about the trends.

Zogby was the first tracker to report a relatively significant tightening, on 10/26, when the margin went down to 5 from 9. It was followed by Ras on 10/27 by a drop from 8 to 5. I think Ras will stay flat today, and move back to Obama by 2 points on Friday. So hopefully we'll be comfortable heading into the weekend.

Derek said...

The April sory tells us what Obama said.. that Isreal and Palistine should find common ground... it told us that Ayers was there... it told us that there were some anti-Isreally commentary... specifically that the U.S. should not have unyielding support for Isreal... etc.

WHich BTW I agree with... constantly supporting Isreal and ignoring Palistine is a horrible foreign policy choice and cannot continue if we want peace in the middle east... How can we be a moderator if we support Isreal killilng Palistinian children? Now I'm not saying that Palistine is innocent because they aren't but pretending Isreal is is horrible foreign policy

GaMeS said...

Another thing:


Can people PLEASE not misuse the term concern troll?


A concern troll is not someone who is merely expressing concern or worry.

To be a concern troll, your concerns must be phony, a deliberate effort to cause panic in a group that you wish to disrupt.

In other words: If you come here and say that you're worried about Obama's chances, you're not a concern troll unless you're actually rooting for McCain. If not, you're just anxious -- maybe a little annoying at times, but that's not trolling. =)


WV: niende. As in, "This niende ... my only friend, niende."

Just John said...

That was worth the wait.

Batamm said...

The McCain camp doesnt want a transcript because then they cant make a video. The ties this guy has to McCain makes this a moot point.

Tom said...

Nate, just discovered your site the other day, you do great work. Your stuff blows RCP out of the water! Keep it up!

More good late nite news for Obama from Zogby: Obama +7 in national polls.

Derek said...

So does anyone else have any guesses as to how many dems seats may be up for grabs?

ROFL... These words are great... They can't be random because we have had way too many funny ones

INEEDUS to go vote for Obama

Josh said...

check out LET FREEDOM RING at http://www.neverfindout.org and understand why Obama made a very very VERY wise decision not to take public financing. He knew McCain would get help from bastards like this. McCain can shove it up his ass.

warning: only go to neverfindout.org if you want to throw up in your mouth. Those are some despicable ads.

Derek said...

errr Senate seats the dems can pick up in 2010

ROFL.. another good work

NOMEANESS John McCain, you sound like a mean grumpy old man

STepper said...

To all of you who are panicking at McCain's current slime strategy, two things to remember:

1. This is nothing new. It's been going on for 3 months.

2. It hasn't worked for 3 months. Why do you think it will work now?

People are paying attention and they don't like McCain or his sidekick.

Can we get a link to the current Zogby poll?

[nuatorac]

Tony said...

Just saw Nate on Countdown... he is SUCH a geek. But I love it though! Nice glasses and courage over social awkwardness is so endearing.

Plus having the most interesting site during the election cycle adds a bit of cool. Just a bit...

Fred's Shorts said...

OCTOBER SURPRISE: Steven Colbert endorses Barack Obama and advices McCain to do the same.

Jen said...

"LOL Booya! So much for tightening with Zogby!

O: 50.2
M: 43.3"

___________________________________

Zogby is still a crap pollster, though.

Falme. Obama don't falme now?

Kansas City said...

Derek, you said the story provided "every last detail" of the dinner. Just as a matter of common sense, if there is a video tape, it is the only source of every last detail and, of course, the short news story failed to provide that detail.

Sure, the McCain camp wants the video, but if the LA Times has any intergrity, they will at least print a transcript.

The dems would be clamoring for it if the tape was about a republican, but of course, the Times would have published the video long ago in that case.

But, the Times will protect Obama so there is nothing for his supporters to worry about.

kirby96 said...

Some of us had things going on. WHY CAN'T I FIND THE OBAMA COMMERCIAL ON HIS WEBSITE? DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE?

Thanks!

George In Florida said...

Kansas City:

Rediculous comment. Don't you know how important sources are to newsmen? Don't you realize that if you break promises to sources (reporters have gone to jail for less), then all your sources dry up, and you are out of business? ESPECIALLY with something so out in the open in all the news?

Also, can't you see this is just another one of those McCain smear attempts. Actually, it is probably hurting Obama more to have it withheld than to reveal the tape. I bet Obama has lost .01% in the polls already from this, which he would get back if it were released.

STepper said...

Kansas City

Go to some right wing nutjob site. We don't want to hear the bullsh!t any more. Obama went to a party. People said bad things about Israel. Obama got up and tried to be a conciliator, and said good things about Israel. He was trying to reason with people on an emotional issue, just like he always has done.

Now John McCain tries to make hay out of it because, McCain implies, John McCain would have machine gunned the room. Only problem is, John McCain gave money to the guy who said bad things about Israel. (Almost half a mil.) Whoops.

What's your problem?

Go away.


[soarin]

Derek said...

Kansas City.. Do you care what the video shows or do you care about the highlights? The highlights.. damning as they can be... anti Isreal rhetoric etc. or do you want to watch Obama eat a steak?

Maybe you want to put it in an ad next to Jeremiah Wright? What ddoes this have to do with the issues?

If Obama is pro Isreal then the Jewish voters can be happy and if he's not America can possible get peace in the Middle East

John David said...

There's a video of Obama with a Palestinian professor that McCain himself funded and you are demanding that the LA Times break their promise with their source and release it so that McCain's failing campaign can create another distraction.

madamerica said...

I have a question for Nate, but since I haven't seen him respond to comments here, I'll ask you guys. How much of a "Colbert bump" this this site get? I tuned in after seeing the Colbert interview. Early followers, by how much did you see comments increase in days following the show?

WV: harai, a town in Solomon Islands which tomorrow Fox News will "report" as the actual place where Obama was born, not Hawai.

George In Florida said...

"At the dinner Obama said Isreal and Palistine should find comming ground... this was reported in April by the LA Times"

What a radical idea.

We can't let this radical become president!!!!

We MUST impeach him from the Senate NOW!!!

Lorrie said...

kirby -> Obama's TV Special

KQuark said...

One thing I have noticed in Battleground states that have Democratic governors it has really helped Obama, especially in states that had Republican governors last cycle like OH and CO.

I think Obama has a great chance of winning OH, as well as VA and CO because they don't have the voter suppression efforts by the Republicans since Ted Strickland is governor. While FL is much of a long shot because they throw away peoples votes with a Republican governor.

Derek said...

I think us at fivethirtyeight.com should start a terrorist group to get rid of Fox News...

Eric said...

Really? The McCain is placing all their hopes in some grainy video that the LA Times has? That's all they got?

You mean, they can't actually point to anything positive that their candidate can do for the country, all they can do is hope that Obama says "Death to America the Great Satan" or somesuch at a party hosted by someone who McCain himself deemed worthy of support?

Wow. THAT'S desperation.

beamman said...

I have to laugh at this idea that the Los Angeles Times is some sort of bastion of liberalism. Yes, they endorsed Obama (with significant reservations, I might add), but that is the first time they've endorsed a presidential candidate in a generation, and before that it was the most automatic-right-wing-editorial-board there was! But, as a life-long reader, believe me when I say there is plenty in there to please the loony right wing (Jonah Goldberg, anyone???).

The premise of Kansas City's objection to the LA Times' response and his (her?) demand for a transcript is non-sensical. It was a damn going-away dinner! Each speaker probably took a couple minutes to say a few nice things about the guest of honor, how they loved playing scrabble with him in the library stacks, and how they wish him the best, blah, blah, blah. Since the guy is Arab, and so were some of the friends and colleagues, perhaps there were some references to relevant cultural touchstones that the non-Arabs in the crowd may not have understood. Other than that, Kansas City's precious transcript would be a series of "[crowd applauds]" and "[sounds of waiters clearing dishes]".

You REALLY think that the LA Times would leave out of its April article something hot and juicy in Obama's or other persons' comments??? Get real.

madamerica said...

Guys, ignore KC, he just watched Hannity on Fox. He said LA times owes the tape to them (so that they can jerk off while watching it I guess).

Lorrie said...

KQ - I don't know. Crist seems like a reasonable fellow. I don't think he thinks McCain has a chance in hell of winning the election - so I don't see why he'd put his reputation on the line for him by doing anything JebBushy in Florida.

kirby96 said...

Thanks Lorrie!

Joey said...

Blogger Dale Petrie said...
To anyone concerned that ANYTHING could happen to swing this race back to McCain, can we agree to two things?
1) Kerry states are safe (including New Hampshire given recent polling data), and
2) Iowa is safe.
If you agree with those two statements, Obama has 259 EV's that can't be lost or stolen.

That means that at 7pm ET when polls close in Virginia, as soon as they call it, if they call it for Obama (regardless of what happens in Georgia or Indiana, not to mention Nevada, Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, New Mexico, Colorado, Missouri, North Dakota, Montana, South Dakota, Arkansas, Arizona, West Virginia or the first and second Congressional districts of Nebraska), Obama will have won the election, and EVERYONE will know it before 8pm.
Just sayin'


Yes I've been explaining this to people as well. Kerry+IA+VA=Victory. People are still questioning PA, but it's clearly blue. Once VA comes it, it's not a matter of if we win, but by just how large a margin.

Derek said...

Lorrie... I agree esp. since Crist is going to run in 2012 against Jendall and Palin and maybe Kay Bailey Hutchenson?

Lorrie said...

I'm just so glad we only have 5 days left of the kind of BS that kansas city is yammering about in here. Just the CONSTANT diversionary nonsensical tactics. I'm really getting fed up with it. The McCain/Palin/Fox News campaign has set a new low in US politics.

jqb said...

New Hampshire (where Obama is getting some insane numbers lately)

Didn't McCain say something stupid about NH that people predicted would cost him the state?

Shadowspecies said...

I just want to add one thing about this LA times crap the cons are swinging at. Lets be totally honest about what you want here, nobody that posts in this thread isnt wise to it. You want to scan the entire video over and over until you find a comment that someone at the party made that could be considered remotely questionable, clip it..play it over and over...and say that since obama was at the party, he agrees.

Frankly im glad that the LA times cant release it, because i dont want to listen to the talking points.

John said...

derek - come on, dude. Don't say stupid things. If it was a joke, it lacked funny, if it wasn't... then you need help.

And can we all just ignore the troll from KC? It's clearly a plant.

MikeBY said...

Thanks Nate!
Interesting that McCain has started running RoboCalls in Arizona today. I guess his internal pollsters were referring to his home state when they said that their polls were showing some kind of "tie". I don't know how they can say that when they're behind on the EC map by about 100 votes or so. I suppose truth hasn't been part of the campaign for awhile.

Even if they were to somehow close the national gap by a few points, it is highly unlikely that they'd close all the gaps in the top and 2nd tier of states.

I can only hope that the Robocalls in Arizona have the same results they've had in Pennsylvania. You can mark that state Purple tonight, and Blue by Sunday!

Keep Dialin' McCain !

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