10.28.2008

Today's Polls, 10/28

Stop me if you've heard this one before. Although the national trackers look slightly stronger for John McCain than they did a couple days ago, Barack Obama once again had an exceptionally good day in the state-level numbers.



To review the national polling situation briefly: Gallup and Research 2000 moved toward McCain, and IBD/TIPP moved toward Obama; the other five trackers were essentially flat. Among the one-off national polls, Pew and ARG moved toward Obama, and Ipsos moved toward McCain.

I increased the sensitivity of the trendline curve today, and will continue to do so over the course of the final week of the campaign. If there is any late movement, we want to be sure that we capture it. Even so, the trendline remains essentially flat, with perhaps just a slight bit (a few tenths of a point) of retreat off of Obama's peak numbers.

A brief aside about the Pew poll, which pegs the race at Obama +15. Pew has a very good reputation. Their polls, however, have also had about a 3-point Democratic lean this cycle. There may be good reasons why a poll leans a certain way; for instance, Pew calls cellphones, whereas most other pollsters do not. But a +15 from Pew isn't quite as meaningful as if, say, that result were coming from Gallup, which has been very neutral overall this year.

At the state level, these numbers ought mostly to speak for themselves. We have yet more evidence that John McCain has big problems in Virginia and Colorado. And keep an eye on those Nevada numbers, because if they creep into the Virginia/Colorado range, then John McCain could very easily pull off a miracle in Pennsylvania and still lose the election.

In Ohio and Florida, furthermore, which were two states that had looked to have tightened a bit, we now have more polling out showing material leads for Barack Obama. With numbers like these, John McCain has less leeway pull off the gamble that I advocated in the New York Post this weekend, essentially pulling out of Florida and hoping that the base carries the state for him on its own.

Don't neglect the two fresh polls of Indiana, from Howey-Gauge and Research 2000; each suggest that the state is a toss-up, and lend a bit of stability to our Indiana estimate after some weird polling there last week.

The one state where John McCain gets a comparatively good number is in Pennsylvania, where Rasmussen has him down by "just" 7 points, and InsiderAdvantage by "just" 8. Pennsylvania appears to have tightened some -- into the high single digits rather than the low double digits -- but it's still polling better for Obama than at almost any other point of the campaign.

261 comments

Jason said...

Weeeeee! First!

Julian said...

LECOX!

coc0nutpete said...

+.5 in McCain's WIN percentage is ...EXCELLENT NEWS!!!!!!! ...... for MCCAIN LANDSLIDE!!!!!!!!

emperorwillis said...

awesome!

Inspired Sis said...

I stood in the south Florida misting rain to vote for Obama. He's gonna win this state!!!!

PETE said...

Sigh. I will never be satisfied until the entire map is blue. Come on, Oklahoma! Snap out of it!

Joseph said...

Great numbers overall

Nate: ny commentary on the tighter numbers in AR, AZ, LA and MS? Is this just noise or can Obama actually close these to a few points each?

emperorwillis said...

I spent 4.5 hours in line in Atlanta. It was bone cold but lots of people (obviously) have turned out.

Heather Nordquist said...

8th?

Dgore said...

That McCain Landslide Scenario percentage is scaring me a bit. Too high for my liking.

James said...

I have a question I hope someone can answer: does Nate's model take into account early voting? I ask this because a poll showing McCain tightening in a state where 30% of people have already voted is very different from a poll showing McCain tightening in a state where no one has voted (e.g. Pennsylvania).

John said...

My question is, when are they doing to do some more ND polling? That state appears to be pretty close to toss-up territory.

GradGirl said...

Wow, within the first 25! Go Obama

waitwhat said...

If he had such a great day in the state polls, WHY THE HELL did he lose 0.2% in the probablyility graphic!?!!? OMFG EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!!!!!

murrman said...

How about an explanation of why National Tracking Polls matter under our electoral system? Aren't the state polls and a blank electoral college map all you need?

Sarah said...

McCain with but two measly double-digit leads.

So sad for Mr. McOldster.

Tim said...

M+1 in georgia?!

i know this is probably an outlier, but it seems to me like we're going to have a true landslide

NC_voter said...

These polls are great news!!! For Barack Obama!!!

Wow, look how BLUE that map is!

On this day, October 28th, in 2004, George Bush led John Kerry 48.4% to 46.4%.
For Final results, please see presidential inauguration, January 2005

John Kerry never again led in any major tracking poll



(50) days since the Fundamental Shift towards McCain/Palin as described by PeteKent

You 'Cons should be getting really nervous!

Congratulations to President Barack HUSSEIN Obama Jr. Get used to saying it, rethugs.
(emphasis placed on middle name to spite race-mongerers who tried to use it politically)

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BrEnTpDeLiA said...

NIce got on early this time. So we are getting to a point now where the fluctuations are small. With only 7 days (SEVEN FREAKIN DAYS!) left to go we are getting to the point where a loss for Obama would necessitate and investigation. My point being that without something major "Headline: Barrack Obama caugt on film during Pagan devil worship ritual sacrifice ceremony!!! News a 11!!!!" it is unlikely that the polls can move more than .5 a day in which case Obama is still out of the margin of error. It's getting to sure thing territory

Jeremy said...

Nate. You didn't comment on what I see as a very impressive poll for Obama out of Georgia. Obama within one point from a respectable polling agency! He's also apparently up big in the early voting. Georgia in play?

Daniel K said...

I was a little worried about today's Gallup Poll showing a dramatic 3pt drop for Obama across all 3 models, but I think you have demonstrated that it is only an anomaly. The other polls don't show the same movement, and the sate polls are quite friendly to Obama. I'm skeptical about Florida, but I'll wait and see.

Hopeful in Nevada said...

I'm loving those Nevada numbers!

Valpey said...

@murrman check the FAQ

Yes We Can, my friends, Yes We Can

Tokar said...

The NYPost link is bad...

PresidentHussein said...

Though the mills of God grind slowly,
Yet they grind exceeding small;
Though with patience He stands waiting,
With exactness grinds He all.
-- Longfellow

60 yrs in the making, justice is nigh. In '48 when Truman, though facing a sweeping defeat, decreed a robust civil rights plank for the Dem platform and Humphrey intoned that we must, in Lincoln's words, "do the right, as God has given us to know the right," the racists bitterly decamped. A body formerly known as the Party of Lincoln invited them in, gave them succor, and crafted a cynical "southern strategy." Bad move. Though for a time they prospered, in the end the infection must prove fatal.

This unholy union is now reduced to a mash-up of Dixiecrat legatees and fellow travelers: prairie gunslingers, anti-tax fetishists, end times Rapturists, militiamen and Millenarians, jingoists and misanthropes, survivalists and skinheads, and the odd secessionist witch doctor. The infestation has taken over the organism. Soon there will be a reckoning between the cerebral cons, who've long been pleased to pal up with riffraff, and the wingnut residuum that has found its avatar in Bible Spice. What, pray tell, does David Brooks have in common with Rush Limbaugh and Michele Bachmann? Will principled GOPers purge their party of its deadly parasite and rise anew? Will they at last stand for something, like Truman and Lincoln? Or will the Powells and Buckleys and Welds and McClellans migrate increasingly to our side and leave the vermin and bottom feeders to embrace in their fetid backwater and sink slowly into the ooze. I grant them this: End times are near.

Meanwhile, the Dems have a nation to rebuild and a world to lead. Pretty that this came about through the strivings of an unassuming black American, a legacy of what Truman, Humphrey, and numberless others went to their political graves for. 2008 will mark the true beginning of 21st century American politics. Thanks, God, 'preciate it. Looking forward to fresher air.

AxmxZ said...

I won't feel confident unless I see Obama Landslide chance at 50% or better on Nov 3rd.

Heather Nordquist said...

Nate: Can you please tell us about the ONE McCain landslide? Inquiring minds want to know.

vkngwmnNJ said...

Apparently there are 12 hour waits in Georgia for early voting. I love the M+1 Georgia poll!

cronaldo said...

Increased the sensitivity on the trendline? Who can see it?? Please please please change the graphics to give us a closeup of the last couple weeks' numbers.

Bede the Youthful said...

I would love to know what Nate's projections would have looked like 2004 at this time. Has he ever run old polls through the system?

SHERWICK said...

Georgia is most certainly in play. Just take a look at the early voting numbers. Absolutely incredible!

GeckoGo.com said...

That's a good question regarding early voting. How do the various polls adjust/account for the heavy early voting in places like NC and Georgia?

the old perfesser said...

It's VA plus GA and MS and NC and FL. Obama's Southern Strategy is working!
If not for the Katrina diaspora, perhaps LA would have been part of the pattern. But those migrated Louisianans are probably voting in other states.

grinder said...

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Remember Michael (heckuva job, Brownie!) Brown of Katrina fame. The fool has a website. I thought some people here might want to show him some love in the comments section.

Okay, back to your regularly scheduled program ...

jakam said...

Does Indiana's weird ride have North Dakota in the passenger seat? It seems to, though they're 1000 miles apart, and half of Indiana is arguably "southern", while no such thing can be said of North Dakota.

Sarah Clark said...

From the last thread:

McCain Campaign 2008: the gift that keeps on giving

and Pete, let's talk OK in 2010 or12, when our popular dem gov will probably be running for senate...I have no delusions of blue, but we might start showing a nice pink blush...

Tim said...

PETE said...

Sigh. I will never be satisfied until the entire map is blue. Come on, Oklahoma! Snap out of it!


Politics is a religion here. People vote the way they were raised to vote.

Joshua said...

Is there a place on this site with a graph like the one shown on the following site? (I suspect it would be updated here.) http://www.pollster.com/blogs/polling_trends_in_2008_vs_04_a.php

vkngwmnNJ said...

Obama is brilliant! MS seems to be shifting as well.

Geoff said...

HOLY moly, these polls are crazy good for Obama. NC & IN are still in toss-up territory, but more states are getting tossed each day... GA, MT, even Mississippi polled only +8 to McCain! ND & SD polls would be welcome. NM still absent?

This election is just wild. Looking forward to the finish. Hoping for some tickets to the show on the waitlist.

(v-word: alshinny)

jackleone said...

Because of early voting, shouldn't this next week of polls become increasingly accurate? States where >30% of their electorate already voted should give pollsters better and better likely voter models.

James said...

To be clear, my earlier question (does Nate's model take into account early voting?) is not a question about whether polls are updating their likely voter assumptions or anything like that. My question is, does the model know that a McCain bounce in a state like Florida is worth less than a bounce in a state like Pennsylvania (other things being equal) because a lot of Florida voters have already voted? I know that Nate knows this, I want to know if the win percentage reflects it, etc.

OTF said...

geckogo.com,

The pollsters models on NC and GA may be completely off. If you look at their internals they are not modeling for increased AA turnout. Pollsters at modeling NC at 20% AA and GA at 25% which are the same as 2004 levels. NC is coming in at 28% and GA at 35%. Both states have had huge increases in AA registrations...for example GA has 480,000 new AA registrants.

LAT said...

Heather I wanted to say thanks for the reply you gave me yesterday about the GOTV operation and how early voting predicts their ability to do that on election today.

sapoones--or so my word says.

Hopeful in NJ said...

James -- early voters should still be captured in the polls. You would be double counting them if you counted them again. So I don't see why Nate should include them in the model again.

Unless they lie and say they will vote for McCain when they already voted for Obama.

Josh said...

I'm not buying that PA is getting any closer... that tracker is at +12... doesn't seem to be moving. I just think the Rasmussen poll is GOP biased :)

Those state poll numbers are huge.

I'm really starting to think Obama has a shot in LS. The early vote numbers look crazy.

Of course us Obama supporters have to keep on fighting.

murraylangston44 said...

3 pt. lean, eh?

Hmmm, only a 12 point lead with 7 days to go....oh noes!

Not being complacent (in fact, scouting a trip to pa, and wrote dennis shulman about helping out day of)...just trying to fend off the willies.

Cugel said...

McCain is putting all his efforts into flipping Pennsylvania, while basically ignoring MO and FL and NV, all of which he's trailing in.

So, the polls will tighten in PA. After all Kerry only won the state by a couple of points, but a miss is as good as a mile and McCain is going to come up short.

Even if he wins PA somehow, he STILL loses the election due to the solid Obama combo of: Kerry (252) + IA (7) + CO (9) + NM (5) + NV (5) + VA (13).

291 EV - 21 (PA)= 270 GAME OVER!

So, McCain's strategy won't work even if he flips PA!

He'd have to hope that he wins NV and VA or CO, all states he's trailing by at least 7%

http://www.openleft.com/tag.do?tag=Presidential%20Forecast

IN fact, it looks today like Colorado will be the state to put Obama over the top and he'll win 338+ EV. He'd nneed NC and MO for a landslide, but that's academic.

prairiecomm said...

Is there a place on this site with a graph like the one shown on the following site?

None here, but pollster has a 10/6 update

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/campaign_08_trends_vs_04_and_0.php

Eric said...

FYI,

The reason nonoe of McCain's tactics work is two-fold. One is Obama doesn't have very much i the way of soft support. The 50-53% of the country on board with Obama is on-board. Period. The other is if by chance he can get folks to reconsider and consider the Palin/McCain ticket, they run back to Obama/Biden. My meaning is McCain/Palin is a terrible ticket regardless of who they're running against. It has no value, there are no benefits to buying McCain/Palin. i've been watching this election extremely closely and i'm telling you I never, ever hear a solid pitch for why a voter should buy McCain. Never. I'm not sure if it's a better ticket than Dole/Kemp. It's worse than Dukakis/Bentsen.

ZY said...

Ask again, do state polls always delay a few days behind national poll? If so how many days, 2 or 3?

James said...

Hopeful - I know, the early voters are in the polls. I'm not saying Nate should count them twice, I'm just saying he shouldn't count them the same as election-day voters. So for instance, imagine (counterfactually) that every Florida voter votes early, and imagine that the polls show a 5-point Obama lead in Florida. Then imagine that McCain closes substantially in the national tracking polls. The model should reflect this McCain bounce in Pennsylvania, but it should not take it into account in allocating Florida's electoral votes.

So yes, the polls include Florida's early votes, but they don't (in their raw form) treat them differently from Pennsylvania voters. All I want to know is, when I look at Obama's 96.2% chance of winning, does this reflect the degree to which some voters are already "locked in" by early voting?

newsinOH said...

Georgia well within the margin of error. It could end up being the story of the election now that we've gotten used to VA and NC

neuroskeptic said...

And John McCain stayed flat.

Kurt said...

Cugel said...
IN fact, it looks today like Colorado will be the state to put Obama over the top and he'll win 338+ EV. He'd nneed NC and MO for a landslide, but that's academic.


Colorado is being stolen. I don't expect it to be blue on 11/4.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martin-markovits/tipping-the-scales----up_b_138508.html
http://colorado.mediamatters.org/items/200712220001

Josh said...

I'm not having a good feeling. Things could not be set up any better for the Dems this year, yet Obama isn't closing the deal as the election gets closer. The Pennsylvania numbers are especially worrysome; he's letting McCain hang around and his supporters there get hope. Are voters having second thoughts?

Tomorrow's production is going to be HUGE. Obama must close with authority and leave America with no doubt that he is the best choice this year.

Halls2006 said...

just a heads up, Nate, that the link in this post takes you to a "did not find that article" page in the New York Post...shame, was looking forward to your thoughts!

Larry Parker said...

The last time the Republicans were elected Prez and VP without Richard Nixon or a George Bush on the ticket was 1928. We continue that streak.

Greg Kuperberg said...

I'm confused because the total percentages for the Senate on the right do not add up to the projected total for the Senate on the left. On the right we have:

14+.97+.93+.87+.75+.66+.56+.28+.25+.22+.03+3*.01 = 19.55

for the expected number of Democratic victories. And I gather that there are 37 Democrats in the Senate who are not up for re-election. That makes a total of 56.55. But the total on the left is 57.0. What gives? Where does the other .45 of a Senator come from?

vkngwmnNJ said...

Ive got the "willies" too....then I saw Obama speaking in the pouring rain/snow to an audience of 9k today in PA. MCain cancelled his rally. Obama got a bunch of props from the press here for sticking it out. I still dont trust the PA numbers though. Obama is there too much....someone talk me down!

Eric said...

Obama has 269 electoral votes locked up. Like almost 100% locked up. I don't see anyway he loses Pennsylvania, wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, New Hampshire, or Nevada. I'm talkn, even if McCain has a ground-swell of support and is at +2 on RCP national poll average on November 4th, he'll still lose all those states. That gets OBama to 269 without Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Florida, North Carolina or anyo f the other potential tipping point states. Meaning, election over.

supercalifragilis said...

That's GREAT NEWS!!! For Dick Bennett!!!

David said...

I again aggregated yesterday's state state consensus figures (using electoral-vote.com's downloadable data) and found a big jump toward Obama after a period of flatness. Here are the last few...

Oct 27, +8.5 Obama
Oct 26, +7.9
Oct 24, +7.8
Oct 23, +7.8
Oct 22, +7.3
Oct 21, +6.3
Oct 20, +6.1
Oct 19, +5.8

I know these figures may not be meaningful per se, but the trend is very strong, and matches both the EV trend and the informal observation that Obama continues to strengthen in state polls.

Actually, I could be convinced that this method will provide a more accurate estimate of the national popular vote than any given national poll, or even an average of them. The N is just so much bigger when you add up the state polls, and the diversity of methodologies makes it quite robust.

TSVictoriaBC said...

Keep an eye on voting machines and voter purging fraud, everyone!!!! Hope the Obama team's got a good number of lawyers and volunteers watching every voting post. Good luck guys. Only 7 more days!

GayIthacan said...

What a lot of peple here seem not to understand is that the OVERHELMING MAJORITY of 'TIGHTENING" occurs in states that BOTH CANDIDATES ALREADY HAVE WRAPPED UP.

McCain picking up a point or two in NEW YORK or CALIFORNIA or ILLINOIS is complete waste.

Same goes for Obama LOSING a point or two in MISSISSIPPI, OKLAHOMA, or TEXAS.

Always remember that the NATIONAL POLL SHIFTS are spread out among 50 states - 35+ of which are already off the table.

Eric said...

newsinOH said...
Georgia well within the margin of error. It could end up being the story of the election now that we've gotten used to VA and NC


Agreed. Most surprising Obama flip will be Georgia. most surpising senate flip will be Martin over Chambliss. McConnell will hold on. North Dakota and Montana may or may not flip, but Georgia is more intriguing anyway.

OTF said...

JOsh,

Dis you watch Obama rally yeaterda and today? He's closing. He gave an awesome speech!

D.O.W. said...

STOP!!!!!
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Hammertime. (Also, you must have really scratched the hell out of that record to get it to repeat that much)

Also, might I add that the state polls look as strong as ever for Obama, especially considering that people will probably quit listening in a day or two and make up their mind (except for those who the Daily Show profiled who can't make a decision). If McCain hasn't closed anywhere to any real extent by this point, I think by this weekend, provided there isn't a November surprise, we'll know who the next president is.

Also, please Nate, detail the single McCain landslide scenario, I want to see how that happens.

Eric said...

Larry Parker said...
The last time the Republicans were elected Prez and VP without Richard Nixon or a George Bush on the ticket was 1928. We continue that streak.

Last time no Presidential/VP ballot with no Bush/Dole '72.


Jeb/Liddy 2012!

drlaura4 said...

I live in rural south Georgia, Saxby Chambliss' hometown in fact and I can tell you things are very strange here. There are essentially no yard signs for Obama, McCain or saxby for that matter, in '00 and '04 there was a bush sign in every yard and a "W" sticker on every pick-up truck. This can mean only one thing every one is in the Obama camp they just don't trust their neighbors reaction. I'm a 49 y.o
white professional female mother of 4 ( youngest is a special needs child) and today for the first time in my life voted the straight democratic ticket!

Ben said...

why is zogby weighted so heavily?

sjberke said...

Well, Zogby's numbers from today must be better for Obama then yesterday's were--otherwise, Drudge would have linked to them already.

Davy said...

I love the Obama bump the senate races are getting. Coupled with the Stevens conviction, it's turning out to be a bad year(s) for the Republicans

SHERWICK said...

well done dr laura!

KMartDad said...

LOL sjberke.

Zogby hinted (in the Reuters article) that Obama's numbers would be better on Wed. Evidently he polled well on Mon, and unless he has a bad day today, Zogby should show an uptick for Obama. Thus, you won't see a link on Drudge.

phil said...

murrman said...
How about an explanation of why National Tracking Polls matter under our electoral system? Aren't the state polls and a blank electoral college map all you need?


They don't matter in our electoral system. They matter in polling, because they're cheaper to do than state polling, are fine for finding general trends, and are plentiful. They matter in Nate's model, because it determines how far ahead or behind of national polling each state tends to poll and then extrapolates from shifts in national polls to fill in the gaps between (comparatively scarcer) state polls.

Greg Kuperberg said...
I'm confused because the total percentages for the Senate on the right do not add up to the projected total for the Senate on the left.


Maybe the Alaska fudge?

Stan said...

Add three votes for Obama and Biden in TN. My friend showed up with his mother and of course my own!

Kenneth R. Morefield said...

With only 7 days (SEVEN FREAKIN DAYS!) left to go we are getting to the point where a loss for Obama would necessitate and investigation. My point being that without something major "Headline: Barrack Obama caugt on film during Pagan devil worship ritual sacrifice ceremony!!! News a 11!!!!

Barack Obama was caught on film during a Pagan devil worship ritual sacrifice ceremony? I hadn't heard that. Fooking liberal media. Well, I was gonna vote for him, but now I'm back to the undecided camp, I guess.

newsinOH said...

Early voting in Cleveland is already twice the 2004 total. So very promising!

Darío said...

Good day for McCain in the national polls, good day dor Obama in the state polls.
So, good news for Obama.

vkngwmnNJ said...

drlaura, Thank you!
My moms had her yard sign ripped out 3 times already(in NJ!!!). We keep putting it up-this time inside the picture window. Its weird up here too.

Josh said...

I think there could be some really shockingly positive Obama numbers in the south as the pollsters are not accounting for the huge increase in AA turnout. I also think there could be something of a reverse Bradley effect among the white voters.

If this is a good final week for Obama I can imagine him winning Georgia, Lousiana, Mississippi, & Alabama.

vndrzl-n-cz said...

Nate, Sean (great Ashley post, by the by), et alia (no offense please at being reduce to "others" - you know who you are)

As a long time lurker abroad (if you're not the guv of the 49th you'll figure out where) but at member of "Real America" [self proclaimed and aren't we all] -- I just wanted to ask Nate that if he couldn't add a regression line to the super tracker, because it seems to me that with the exception of the so-called convention bounce, the "trend" towards Obama is clearer than clear.

sjberke said...

...so instead Drudge has latched onto the 49-47 Gallup 'traditional' LV number, which even Gallup doesn't give that much credence to.

(Drudge's grasping at any available straw has become so blatant that even Mark Halperin snorted at it today.)

Darío said...

newsformoh, so, early voting in Cleveland is good news for Obama?.

KQuark said...

Nate I'm not worried for Obama at all with PA. The top number for all the polls is 53 for Obama. I just think some undecideds are closing the margin for McCain. I think in this election more than any other the top number is the one to watch for Obama. If Obama is 50 or above he will have no problem in that state. 48-50 is a little more iffy. My logic is that the only "Bradly Effect" or should I say "Obama Effect" is among undecided voters that are hiding their intentions of voting for McCain. But in state polls especially if Obama is up by over 50% those number are steady as a Barack.

PorridgeGun said...

Here's my take...


Officially, McCain is driving the media and national narrative for the first time since the Republican convention. It doesn't seem to matter if it's positive or negative, both he and Mooseburger are getting away with murder. Obama and his campaign are showing ZERO intensity. If he thinks a 30 minute infomercial is gonna close the deal with the 2-5% of fuckwits out there who are making this thing look closer than it presumably is, then he's got another thing coming. Obama's campaign looks unfocused and it needs a new line of attack to make voters question whatever legitimacy McCain has left.



Unofficially, this election is being teed up for unprecendented voter suppression and fraud, most notably in Colorado. With the national polls inexplicably tightening, it's obvious that if a major national security event were to occur, or if the CIA/Pentagon begin defosting bin Laden this Friday, the election will be within stealing range.


Up to 10,000 Registrations Deemed Incomplete in Colorado

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martin-markovits/tipping-the-scales----up_b_138508.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/as-election-nears-dirty-t_n_138607.html


http://www.bradblog.com/

Subterranean said...

tsvictoriabc crossed his/her fingers:

"Hope the Obama team's got a good number of lawyers and volunteers watching every voting post."

Good news---BHO and friends are on the ball! For example, Bloomberg reports that the Obama campaign will have 5000 lawyers on the ground in FL alone Nov. 4th.

There is NO REASON to expect BHO to choke this away! If anyone can be expected to fuck up their last week, its McSame, Bible Spice, & Co.

Verification Vocab: "prenalt (n.): the week preceding an inauguration of a new world order."

SHERWICK said...

not a very good day for McCain in the national PEW poll though.

unless being 16% behind Obama is considered 'good' by McCain..

Eric said...

MIKE COFFMAN!!!

Good call, Colorado concern troll. Let's make sure we know their names as John McCain says. Any public servant who puts politics over people and justice should be out of politics and sometimes in prison. Let's make sure we hold scoundrels accountable. Maybe we can have Democrat Judges throw the book at them, the way they weaseled Republican judges into the courts after the Lewinsky scandal!

MIKE COFFMAN wants to steal the COLORADO election for GOP and MCCAIN from what I can discern. MIKE COFFMAN is this year's Ken Blackwell.

Thason Jweatt said...

Ed Rogers on Hardball is stupid:

Paraphrasing: "McCain just needs to make up a point a day."

ineelama!

JMNorris said...

Yikes, the projected spread in DC is down to 65.9! It was in the mid-70s a couple of days ago. Time for the concern trolls to start fretting about a potential loss there!

Subterranean said...

porridgegun -

As you've been told many, MANY times, this is America. 40% of the electorate are clinically delusional, and 85% are flat-out stupid. BHO has done everything humanly possible to get his verdict from the jury at hand.

David said...

I'm going to say this once and one time only:

Sarah Palin is a whack job.

I repeat: Sarah Palin is a whack job.

akoolromeo said...

Chuck Todd said some time ago that the State polls usually run behind the national polls, which makes sense, if you consider that the National polls are done daily, while a State poll is probably done weekely. Although Obama is still has a strong showing in the State polls, despite a slight dip in some national polls, that could be because the State poll was conducted a week ago, when he was having a strong week.
If what Todd said is true, then the slight dip in the National polls the past 2 days won't show up in the State polls until next week. I really feel Obama needs to maintain a 5% lead in the national polls going into election day. Any state that i sunder 3% I fear will go to McCain. For instance, Missouri will probably go to McCain, if thelead is only .8 % in favor of Obama.

TSVictoriaBC said...

@drlaura4 Interesting observation. I'm encouraged. Wonder if there gonna be a Reverse Bradley observed in GA this year, or should it be called "Obama Effect".

All the current toss-up states will go Obama.

Obama 396 (or more)!!!!!

thentro said...

What good is upping the sensitivity if we CANT SEE ANYTHING because of the blue dots?! Bigger graphic please!

Jon said...

remove the " from the end of the hyperlink to your NY Post feature.

Eric said...

newsinOH said...
Early voting in Cleveland is already twice the 2004 total. So very promising!

YES! And Jennifer Brunner will make sure it's not stolen. I don't really give a shit if the McCain camp tries to protest ACORN. In the end, it makes no difference. Ohio is polling consistently at Obama +5. In the last 48 hours we've had 6 Ohio polls. Obama +4,5,5,5,5,9. That state is delivered already. Keep up the good work bro. Keep on keepin' on. Play out the string all the way to the end.

CameronsCrusaders said...

porridge...how is not canceling an event in PA. during a driving rainstorm and drawing 9,000 supporters showing no intensity? Were you looking for Obama to appear on Monday Night Raw or something? I am confused. The MSM is talking about how there is massive infighting within the McCain camp, is that really driving the news?

SCIndie said...

Those wondering about that lone landslide scenario, here's how it might play out:

First, take all states that are not listed as 100% Obama in the table on your right. These are:

FL, GA, NC, VA, SC, TX, AL, LA, MS, MO, TN, KY, OK, AR, WV, PA, OH, IN, WI, MN, KS, NE, ND, SD, AZ, CO, NM, NV, UT, ID, MT, WY, AK

This gives him 334 EVs, 41 shy of the landslide mark. Now, obviously, all those 100%s are not exactly 100% due to rounding, so add in the following 4 states, which are the next closest margins in Nate's analysis on the right (the polling detail):

IA, MI, NJ, ME (the whole thing, not the district).

That would get you to 377 EVs. So it seems like the landslide scenario would be all of the states listed above.

Ben Weiss said...

Nate,

At the top of the page, wouldn't it be more meaningful to show the MEDIAN electoral outcome, rather than the mean? (Or show them both? I'm guesing that the median is around 365 right now, even though the mean is 348.)

Also, I'll second someone's suggestion to have the small electoral histogram click through to the full-resolution version, or else have the small version (which is about 300 pixels wide) show the most meaningful subsection at 1:1 resolution. (Currently, say, from 180 to 480 electoral votes, instead of having so much wasted space on either end?)

Thanks again, and I love the site!

kittles93 said...

porridge,

seriously, relax.

Obama is closing strongly.

He has been very passionate in his speeches this week.

RedHawksO4 said...

OMG! Time for Drudge to call the McCain SURGE!

Some Terrorists are More Terrorists than Others

LJay said...

dammit
i wanna see mccain at 1%

nkpolitics1279 said...

If VA,OH,and PA is called for Obama before 9:00pm - Obama is officially the winner of the 2008 US Presidential Election.
Obama wins VT,CT,DC,DE,IL,ME,MD,MA,NH,NJ- States which polls close before 9pm ET. and CO,MI,MN,NM,NY,RI,WI,IA,CA,HI,OR,and WA.

LAT said...

dear concern trolls--I saw this with much fondness but the much predicted 'tightening' because of national polls never materialized. Last week so many people came here saying the polls at the state level would be horrid for Obama. Did not happen. In fact look at the Fl and OH numbers. CO and VA have great numbers for him. Stop predicting things you are afraid will happen because so far they have not happened.

Cugel said...

Why McCain Will WIN!

Wing-Nuttia is going into delusion overload! Here's some prime craziness for your amusement: THE POLLS ARE WRONG!

"Tonight we spoke with a friend from Hillary Clinton’s campaign who is now working for McCain/Palin — and is specifically working with Democrats for McCain in Pennsylvania. . . .

She says the same thing we do: John McCain will win Pennsylvania.

On November 4th, the news networks are going to be spinning and sputtering and playing catchup, but everything we see on the ground in PA is what we saw during the primaries: Obama has no shot of winning the Keystone State.


And why not, do tell? It's the PUMAS!
http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/breaking-heres-what-we-know-about-pennsylvania-right-now/

"What’s happening here that’s not being reported is that “Reagan Democrats” who vote Republican whenever they feel that Democrats are out of touch, socialist, or too liberal are voting for McCain…and these people are being joined by PUMAs, DeMcCrats for McCain, Hillocrats, whatever you want to call them, who don’t like or trust Obama and who believe McCain/Palin would address the wants and needs of centrist Democrats much better than Obama ever would."

What about the polls ALL of which show McCain losing?

"Union members repeatedly tell all of us that they are lying to pollsters because the unions have been polling these people — and the unions will threaten people’s jobs if they don’t tow the union line. So, the people lie when asked whom they are supporting. But, the unions can’t control who they vote for on Election Day. And that’s when things are going to get interesting."

Yup! All those anecdotes! "Some guy I talked to said they are all lying to pollsters!" So the polls must all be wrong!

If they show Obama leading they are WRONG!

On the other hand, if they show McCain coming back, then they're RIGHT! McCain SURGE! Yes we will!

I wonder what these fools will do when the networks call the election for Obama at 10:00 P.M. EST? Probably call the networks to complain about "media bias."

Keith said...

Stock market going up, Biden gaffes, PA closing, most respectable polls within margin of error. The Mac is coming back.....

akoolromeo said...

A word to the young people. Many a candidate has died at the polls waiting for the young to show up to the polls. To their credit, they did come out in 2004 in recor dnumbers, but unfortunately, they were outnumbered by the evangelicals, who also came out in record numbers.
I have heard young people say "Politicians never do anything for them, so they don't vote. It's a double edge sword. Politicans don't do anything for young people, precisely because they don't show up to vote.
This could be the last chance for young people. If they don't show up this year in overwhelming record numbers, then they never will and future politicans will probably forever write them off as a constituent. Why waste precious resources trying to win an election on a group, if they don't ever show up?

SHERWICK said...

there's noway McCain wins all of those even one in ten thousand times!

Matt Wesley said...

Not sure where to post this, but there is an ad running on the site for McCain/Palin that uses the Obama/Bidden logo. I imagine that this logo is copyrighted or trademarked and that publication of this could subjec the site to civil liabilities (not ot mention that it is simply bad judgement to facilitate the inappropriate use of intellecutal property). Perhaps being a troll here, but thought it should be brought up.

Eric said...

What states can Obama not win under any reasonable circumstances? Here's my list:

Utah
Oklahoma
Idaho
South Dakota
Alabama
Kansas
Most of Nebraska
Wyoming
Alaska

Josh said...

Mississippi is 37% AA. If they vote in their #s - it's hard for me to see how McCain can win. Obama would only need to win about 20% of the white vote to win the state.

Right now though it appears AA may greatly outvote their #s (ie turnout at far greater % than white voters) - if that happens in Ms... well... I'd be very curious to know what Obama's GOTV effort is like in MS.

It seems like it'd be worth a try.

darylm said...

I love this site!!!

A few questions/comments for anyone:
1) I wonder what the biggest poll swing is in the last week prior to an election?
2) For the conspiracy theorists out there (me among them!) ... what would be the best chance of fixing this election (e.g. have a brother as governor of FL, or disenfrachise some OH voters)?
3) I like the electoral history ... I wonder whether we can see any trends that suggest electoral shifts (eg. are NM, CO, and VA now part of the Blue states?)
4) I wish the tipping-point states and return-on-investment were party-specific (seems like they'd be different) ie McCain really needs to win PA, Obama really needs to win CO.

5) I think the wording on some of scenarios could be better ... many are conditional probabilities, and a lot of people would first assume they were joint probabilities (eg. P(win election | lose OH) vs P(win election & lose OH)
(But, I like that I can calculate either!)

Great site!!!!!

vndrzl-n-cz said...

lat (6:29) --

That's what I want with the regression line -- there IS NO tightening only a steady movement towards the overwhelming victory of the junior senator from Illinois as our 44th president.

BTW, when do we get the connection between 16 and 44? Am I the only one who sees it (surely not!!)

Dylan Hardie said...

"not a very good day for McCain in the national PEW poll though.

unless being 16% behind Obama is considered 'good' by McCain.."

It's exactly where he wants Obama to be.

(First time comment)

Seven days to go, getting more and more difficult to not be optimistic... still, pessimism prevails, and it'll stay that way until November 5th.

GaryB said...

Nate, just blow the whistle when we're all supposed to run outside and just pass the ball around to run out the clock.

chrisready said...

I updated my Flickr photo stream with today's screenshots.

Publius said...

The emerging story here is not the tightening of the national tracking polls, but rather Barry closing the gap in previously deep red states: MT, AZ (McCain must be saying WTF?! to that), ND, GA. As it is, MT, ND, and GA are in play. AZ might be soon. And O has nearly halved Mc's lead in MS from earlier this summer.

Who knows what will happen in MS - they have not gone for a Dem since Carter in 1976 - before that, Stevenson in 1956.

Trying not to get overly excited, but I see no way Mc can close the gap in PA and nationally. If he loses PA, it's almost impossible for him to pull this off, absent massive fraud.

Jerry056 said...

What states can Obama not win under any reasonable circumstances? Here's my list:

Add Kentucky to that list. Living here in KY I would LOVE to see it go blue but it's just not going to happen. If Obama can keep it to within 15% he'll be overperforming. Outside of Louisville and Lexington, the rest of the state is BLOOD Red.

vkngwmnNJ said...

Chuck-eTee said he is looking at VA returns...if its called quickly for Obama-it will be a BIG night for him across the board. Though high volume could keep polls open longer-with all of us biting our nails and consuming too much alcoholic bevs.

Subterranean said...

akoolromeo -

You are also missing the key insight that this is AMERICA. I am in the 18-24 demographic, and can tell you bluntly that my generation, like the preceding generation, is chiefly composed of fucking idiots.

If they could be reached by arguments of any sort, then such arguments would be unnecessary. As is, they are merely pointless.

newsinOH said...

dario,

Early voting in Cleveland is GREAT news for Obama! Hugely solidly Dem and the biggest cause of voter suppression is crappy weather. Banking the votes now is fantastic. Little bit of a drizzle on 11/4 and the crotchety old Mc voters won't bother to go.

Josh said...

I just had a thought (uh oh) - how many Americans live abroad and vote absentee? What's the %? It's probably less than 1% so I guess it's no big deal - but I'd imagine these folks would vote Obama by massive margins and would not be counted in the polls.

newsinOH said...

eric,

In addition to the early voting, the GOTV effort here is crazy!!! In my local office, that covers a couple of small suburbs, they've called in all data people to help enter the call/canvass stats from this weekend. Every time I go to the office, there are more and more people that I've never seen before. And this is for a target population of maybe 30,000 . . .

John Nail said...

Here is an update on NC and GA and GA is going to flip:
http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/jnail/blog/&blogId=5139

Also a terrific update on MT from Mark Nickolaus who lives in Butte and runs PoliticalBlog:
http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/Mark%20Nickolas/blog/&blogId=5138

he sees it going Blue due to Ron Paul and the native American vote

NotYourBlog said...

Historically, when's the latest the GOP can trot out Bin Laden or a terrorist scare or whatever their October Surprise is and still have it make a difference?

In other words, is it going to be tomorrow? Thursday? Friday to try to dominate the weekend news cycles?

I'm glad to see voters are becoming more resilient to this shit, but I'm still curious when these things usually occur.

tomthress said...

"What states can Obama not win under any reasonable circumstances? Here's my list:

Utah
Oklahoma
Idaho
South Dakota
Alabama
Kansas
Most of Nebraska
Wyoming
Alaska"

I expect Obama to lose all of these states. But if you're going to allow for "any reasonable circumstances", I think that it's theoretically possible for Obama to win in SD (it's not THAT different from ND and MT), AK (now that Stevens has been convicted and Palin has the Troopergate finding), and maybe KS (where Sebelius is very popular). I would, however, agree with the earlier poster who added KY as an unwinnable state for Obama and maybe TN too.

triton said...

Regarding early voting, it seems to me that pollsters should include those who have voted in their polls like anyone else. Those voters are obviously "likely" voters. Doing so ought to produce polls even more accurate than usual. As the number of actual voters in the sample increases, the poll result and the actual result will converge.

grandpa john said...

i'm telling you I never, ever hear a solid pitch for why a voter should buy McCain. Never.

Yes, Eric nails it here. that has been my observation also,and I think the voters finally also realized this .
Other than the bleating"I know how to ______ (fill in the blank) statements never of course accompanied by any actual details of how he was going to do whatever filled in the blank,when listening to McCain most of what I heard was why I should NOT vote for Obama all negative no positive, the same old repub style of fear rather than hope.

McCain has to have run one of the most tone deaf campaigns ever, indicating just how out of touch he is not only with the voters but with reality itself. In times of great distress people want hope not fear, they already have the fear

akoolromeo said...

Subterranean said...
akoolromeo -

You are also missing the key insight that this is AMERICA. I am in the 18-24 demographic, and can tell you bluntly that my generation, like the preceding generation, is chiefly composed of fucking idiots.

If they could be reached by arguments of any sort, then such arguments would be unnecessary. As is, they are merely pointless.
***********
Obviously, the reason every politician cater to the senorios, is because they vote. Come hell or high water, Seniors will vote, so no politician dare threaten to touch an important issue that Seniors are concerned about.
The same for evangelicals. Sure, Democrats make fun of them and attack them, but they vote. Come hell or high water. Frankly, they probably figure they will go to hell, if they don't get out and vote. ha Of course, the Republicans will cater to them. Politiicans aren't going to cater to groups who traditionally don't come out to vote.
It even applies to governmental agencies and functions. Many times schools in the poorer neighborhoods are underfunded, because traditionally, parents in those neighborhoods don't vote. Politicans are going to concern themselves with the neighborhoods with the most dependable voters.

aria said...

I just wanted to let everyone know that the turn in Atlanta/GA urban and suburbs have been unprecedented. Almost every single early AND advanced voting polls are being saturated to their limit.

The waiting lines are above 6 hours and people who are mostly Obama supporters are toughing it out in the freezing weather. Yesterday, 10/27, there was a computer glitch in the voting system that turned around many of the voters in the middle of day, including my folks. Nonetheless, it came back on and the voting continued up to MIDNIGHT.

Today the voting continued but the lines are getting extremely long but the strange story is that people are sticking with it. Although I do not get my hopes high that Georgia would go blue due to extreme number of small exurban and rural precincts are on majority but still there is some glimmer of HOPE.


We are doing everything to facilitate the transportation of family members and friends from and to polling offices. 8 years of this and people are sick and tired of it.

Vinny said...

The final Pew Poll taken around this time in 2004:

Bush - 51%

Kerry - 48%

Nader - 1%

Bush +3

And now it has an Obama+15. Hahahahahahahahaa

Hopeful in NJ said...

James -- that's a good point. I guess in practice with numerous polls of PA and FL coming out, it may not matter. Anyway, we'll see if Nate ever explains it to us.

newsinOH said...

notyourblog,

They'd be dumb to trot out a surprise tomorrow because it would last only until O takes it back with "the show". (However, dumb hasn't stopped them before . . . ) Thursday would seem prime to try to knock the wind out of talk about the O show.

Friday, I don't know. Not a great news day but it could be their last chance to get any kind of narrative going.

Early voting has changed the landscape a lot, though, since lots of votes are already in. Probably their most solid reason for focusing on Pa

Vinny said...

Also, PA is a non-issue. McCain WANTS us to be worried and discuss it.

Justin said...

@Eric...
Don't write KS off that early. If you would say Obama could win TX, than it is certainly plausible KS would go in a landslide (albeit a very large landslide) to Obama. Texas just to the south of us, MO, and CO to the sides.

Vinny said...

Also, to the know-nothing that suggested all the polls in PA are wrong -- do you know how much 10% of Pennsylvania IS? It is A LOT of people. And you're an idiot for suggesting even 1% of Pennsylvania is PUMAs who are lying to the pollsters.

Face it, it's over for McCain. Even Palin sees it.

vkngwmnNJ said...

Spot on Grandpa John! He drives me nuts listening to him. He had a four month head start and this is what he came up with? No ground game,no 'strategery', no policy proposals and a bunch effin BS platitudes mixed with hate and whining.

McCain is now HOUNDING the LAtimes for some video of obama with a Palestinian professor. He whining about the MSM AGAIN! Geezuz, go away already McCain.

Arkansas Traveler said...

Quick question about the Senate polling - how can Mark Pryor be running against TBD for the Repubs a week before the election?

H IN FLORIDA said...

NATE: Any thoughts on how the undecided voters might go? I'm sure that this is the question of the century, but I fear that if the undecided's go mostly to McCain the race would tighten to a couple points.

Dead Cat Bounce said...

Come on, it's basic: The polls are accurate only when they show a shift toward McCain. Otherwise, they're worthless because of [insert laundry list reason here].

NotYourBlog said...

@newsinOH: Thanks!

I tend to be a text-only reader, I use google news as my main portal because of its textual density and lack of flash, etc. As such, it didn't click in my head that Obama was actually *out in the snow* today.

Picture here.

S said...

In addition to the early voting, the GOTV effort here is crazy!!! In my local office, that covers a couple of small suburbs, they've called in all data people to help enter the call/canvass stats from this weekend. Every time I go to the office, there are more and more people that I've never seen before. And this is for a target population of maybe 30,000 . . .





And also Cleveland and its suburbs have a huge african american population and also it is the largest metro area in that state and it will off set the racist southeast.

Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...

Think the numbers continue to look promising for an Obama win. But remember to run pass the finish line. You can still donate, canvass, call or volunteer to drive people to the polls. As an other poster said---"PILE IT ON"

My verification word a good omen:
banowati=Obamas ancestral tribe in Kenya

Justin said...

Obama looks very aged in that photo listed above...sigh..I always kinda thought it was sad how Presidents, one in office, age so quickly. Being president has gotta be bad for your health lol...I bet Obama will look like Morgan Freeman in 8 years (ok, with maybe a little less wrinkles)

Clarissa said...

State polls lagging- State polls should coincide with the national polls that they are coincidental with. There are national pollsters who are pretty close to even with the three day trackers (Ras, SUSA ect). Most public/commercial/media polling should be concurrent with the 5-day national trackers (and whtever you call Battleground) as well as the weekly nationals at the least. The polls from academic institutions, however, can lag substatially between polling and publishing and we've seen some with ridiculously long field times (see Winthrop a few days ago). Most polls seem to be pretty close in time though.

And akoolromeo- as far as most people who study the electorate you are DEAD WRONG about the Evangelicals being clockwork voters. Until the most recent decades they were actually considered one of the groups with the highest non-participation (being too occupied with godly things to really consider voting and national politics). The politicization of evangelical churches has raised this turnout as has the feeling that W was 'one of them', but Rove still managed to find large pockets in 2004 that weren't regular voters and get them to the polls. Also a group that is susceptable to the "anti-gay marriage amendment" ploy -even if the state has passed previous "anti-gay marriage amendments" that haven't been overturned yet. Very few of those this year in states that matter (maybe Ohio realized they didn't need to do it AGAIN). Expect evangelical turnout to be down this year.

McGhee said...

@drlaura4

Well done! Here's hoping the rest of Georgia does the same.

GayIthacan said...

Uh oh!

McCain want the LATImes to PUBLISH infor/tape about Obama ties to a Palestinian Professor?

He had better hope they do not - since McCAIN GRANTED BEAUCOUP $$$$$$$ tot he same man!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/mccain-funded-work-of-pal_n_138606.html

Be careful what you pray for! You might get it@

Seretse said...

Vinny said...
The final Pew Poll taken around this time in 2004:

Bush - 51%

Kerry - 48%

Nader - 1%

Bush +3

And now it has an Obama+15. Hahahahahahahahaa



A lot has changed since 2004. Accurate methodology then doesn't necessarily mean accurate methodology today.

Josh said...

The problem with PA, unlike many of the other swing states, is that there is no early voting whatsoever, outside of absentee ballots. No matter what the polls say, Obama isn't actually banking any votes until Election Day itself.

Cugel said...

"Colorado is being stolen. I don't expect it to be blue on 11/4."

I live in CO, and I'm well aware of the massive efforts CO Reps are taking to steal the election, which is why I'm volunteering as an volunteer for the Lawyers Committe on Civil Rights: www.justvotecolorado.org.

But, stealing 6,000 -- 10,000 votes (which is what we're talking about here with the glitches), isn't going to change anything.

George Bush won Colorado by 5% which translated into over 100,000 votes.

Obama's winning Colorado by around 7%, which would mean at LEAST 140,000 votes (if the electorate hadn't increased since 2004, which it has).

In this election 5% will be at least 120,000 votes and that will be Obama's margin.

There's a REASON why the McCain campaign has given up on Colorado and withdrew much of their advertising and why they are campaigning desperately in PA, and why various senior McCain staffers have admitted they have lost the state.

McCain might steal 15 - 20,000 votes here, but that's not remotely enough. He's going to be swamped!

There's also probably going to be litigation surrounding many voters who are forced to take provisional ballots because of some glitch in their registrations. Probably around 1/2 (the 2004 percentage) of them will ultimately be able to have their votes counted. If Colorado WERE close, then this campaign would continue to contact voters and assist them in getting their provisional to count by verifying their identity.

Heather Nordquist said...

@scindie

Thanks for the thoughtful analysis of the McSame landslide. It did make me chuckle, though.

PorridgeGun said...

Eric said...

MIKE COFFMAN!!!

Good call, Colorado concern troll. Let's make sure we know their names as John McCain says. Any public servant who puts politics over people and justice should be out of politics and sometimes in prison. Let's make sure we hold scoundrels accountable. Maybe we can have Democrat Judges throw the book at them, the way they weaseled Republican judges into the courts after the Lewinsky scandal!

MIKE COFFMAN wants to steal the COLORADO election for GOP and MCCAIN from what I can discern. MIKE COFFMAN is this year's Ken Blackwell.





I called it last week. When I was told this Mike Coffman is a Republican, that's all the evidence I needed to confirm he was a currupt piece of shit.




Who is the Secretary of State in Virginia, and is he/she a Republican?

We're hearing trouble out of there now.

Mr. X said...

tomthress:

Agreed TN unwinnable this time around: too many demographic factors tilted against Obama in those state-by-state analyses Nate and Sean have posted. SD could be reached if all the stars were in alignment on Nov. 4, though.

I wish I had even your limited faith in KS with Sebelius, but putting a Democrat in the governor's chair is quite a bit different from presidential politics. I don't think Obama could have won it even if he had picked her as veep. In fact, I doubt Sebelius could have carried KS even if she were at the top of the ticket herself.

Seretse said...

Josh said...
The problem with PA, unlike many of the other swing states, is that there is no early voting whatsoever, outside of absentee ballots. No matter what the polls say, Obama isn't actually banking any votes until Election Day itself.


And this is probably one of the reasons that McCain is focussing here.

Occasional Analysis said...

Nate, the last few weeks polling seem to suggest there's a weakness in your house effects model. From what I can see the house effects are not a constant but seem to scale with the size of the 'real' lead. So if Obama is actually 7 points ahead a dem leaning pollster seems to peg him at 13-15 6 or 7 points above his actual lead. Whereas when the race is near equal the house effect is much smaller and only a point or so.

Nicholas Warino said...

Over all Pollster.com, Obama now has 272 electoral votes in the Dark Blue/Strong category (123 for McCain). 311 overall (142 for McCain), and 85 toss-ups.

grandpa john said...

The emerging story here is not the tightening of the national tracking polls, but rather Barry closing the gap in previously deep red states: MT, AZ (McCain must be saying WTF?! to that), ND, GA. As it is, MT, ND, and GA are in play. AZ might be soon. And O has nearly halved Mc's lead in MS from earlier this summer.
absolutely and the nervous nellies appear not to notice while going into panic over the supposed tightening of a few totally irrelevent tracking polls.
Amazing ain't it, how while the race is supposedly tightening up, Obama is making inroads, cutting into Mccains margins and turning traditional red states and into tossups. It does boggle the mind

Frank said...

On November Fourth, provided Obama wins, do we begin chanting "Yes, We Did!"?

GET OUT THE VOTE!

Vinny said...

I find it amazing how close Arizona is. If McCain wasn't their Senator, it would be in the Obama column for sure.

Looks like in 2012 Arizona will start to be a blue state! Haha

Lance J said...

GA needs to turn more pinkish. If they're underestimating the black vote, this state could easily tilt towards Obama next tues.

Dead Cat Bounce said...

The VA SoS (actually Secretary of the Commonwealth) is Katherine Hanley, who was appointed by Tim Keane (D) in 2006.

newsinOH said...

I remember thinking the Dems were f#@ked when Mc locked the nomination so early while H and O continued to duke it out. Who knew that Mc would totally squander that time and the extremely tough fight would serve O so well in so many ways

|The_fragile_99| said...

"I find it amazing how close Arizona is. If McCain wasn't their Senator, it would be in the Obama column for sure."

well ask Al Gore or John Edwards, it can happen.

Justin said...

@Lance,
I'd rather leave GA rather red, than be giddy and joyful on Nov5th when it ended up being a beutiful shade of Aquamarine blue

beamman said...

Sorry if anyone raised this already, but I wanted to be sure this got in in the top 200.....

Is there any concern about the LA Times' polls' finding that McCain is leading among the Florida already-voted? Has anything else corroborated that, and does anyone have any explanation why that would be the case?

If it is true, then there would be a leveraging effect of any dramatic pro-McCain news between now and 11/4: Unlike those states where a disproportionate number of Obama votes are "locked in" through early voting, blunting any such news (assuming election-day voters shift to McCain), an election-day shift to McCain in FL would be AMPLIFIED.

On a different note, I'm really annoyed at the entire national tracking poll industry: It seems just as I manage to calm myself down about one poll's shenanigans, another one pops up with an unpleasant shift to McCain--today, Gallup.

Seretse said...

Lance J said...
GA needs to turn more pinkish. If they're underestimating the black vote, this state could easily tilt towards Obama next tues.

Black turnout has been heavy but it usually is, and it's usually democrat. Obama needs strong white support to Carry the state.

newsinOH said...

I hope the press doesn't let up on Palin after the election. She's a carnivorous cockroach that can't be allowed to crawl back into a dark corner.

By the way, palinaspresident.com was updated with new features. If you haven't been there recently, it will make you laugh all over again.

Lance J said...

Could someone tell me why PEW is such an outlier???

Eric said...

No, Virginia's Sec. of Commonwealth is a Democrat

Fernando said...

Nate said he'd take Rasmussen to a desert island. What about this I read at Open left?

Is Rasmussen Cooking Its Tracking Poll Topline?

This will probably cause me to lose my subscriber account to Rasmussen, but there is a major discrepancy in the internals of the Rasmussen tracking poll today that I have to point out. Simply put, no matter how I work the number, Obama has a larger lead than the 51%-46% published on their website today.

Here is the problem:

1. The partisan weighting targets for the Rasmussen tracking poll are currently 40.0% Democratic, 32.8% Republican, and 27.2% Other.

2. According to the subscriber page on Rasmussen's website, the partisan internals for the Rasmussen tracking poll are currently as follows:
* Democrats: Obama 88%--11% McCain
* Republicans: McCain 87%-10% Obama
* Other: Obama 50%-44% McCain

3. If these partisan weights are combined with these partisan internals, the result is Obama 52.1%--44.9%, or 52%-45% instead of the current 51%-46%. McCain. Even if all the partisan weighting and partisan internal numbers were rounded as favorably to Obama as possible on the subsriber page, Obama still leads 51.54%--45.43%, which is still 52%-45%.

The math I did in these calculation can be seen here. No matter how the rounding is done, the campaign is 52%-45%.

Unless I am missing something, Rasmussen reported today's topline numbers to be closer than they really were. Their own partisan internals say the campaign is 52%-45%, not 51%-46%. As far as I can see, either they are cooking their numbers, or they are feeding their subscribers false information. Given that I have paid $80 for this service so far this year, either way, I am really irritated

LikesJazz-from-DC said...

To 538 Readers,

This month I lost a nice chunk of change in the stock market. I had a good case of the blues. I am sure that I have company in this thread.

But, the fun I am watching my candidate surge mightily toward the finish line has restored a lost smile to my face. And the site of many Republicans and conservative pundits twisting slowly in the wind has brought back good old-fashioned belly laughs.

Although I dare not show too much, optimism, I sincerely hope that some of you are laughing with me.

My best.

LikesJazz-from-DC

newsinOH said...

"Gov. Mitch Daniels today began his final campaign swing in his now-famous RV, heading to southern Indiana.

One place Daniels won't include on his tour is the Jeffersonville stage where Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican nominee for vice president, will be campaigning Wednesday evening.

Daniels said he plans to talk to folks in the parking lot, but can't fit into his schedule a joint appearance with Palin.

This is Palin's third trip to Indiana, and Daniels has yet to campaign with her, though Lt. Gov. Becky Skillman was with Palin at the previous rallies in Noblesville and Fort Wayne."


He'll talk to people in the PARKING LOT but won't go in!!!!

jkrnyc said...

To secure PA, Obama is really going to need to bring it in the ground game: GOTV + diligent and massive voter protection squads. PA really is Pennsyltucky, and McCain/Palin have practically moved into the state (another house, anyone?).

Plus the state has a history of bucking polling predictions (the state's beloved Rendell, polling up by 25% days before gub. election actually won by 'only' 9% - quite a swing).

Plus all those new registrants (so bad at actually voting...).

But if O takes VA and CO by 9pm, I'll be breathing a sigh of relief (and getting on a 'phonebank to NV!)

Ted Striker said...

I'm just curious... earlier in the general election season, like a month or two ago, Nate commented a couple times that the national tracker average seemed to catch a trend a few days before it was picked up at the state level. So, for example, if the average national tracker went 1-2 points toward McCain over a couple days, we should expect to generally see the overall average of state polls do the same thing a few days later.

Is this phenomenon well known election cycle after election cycle or was it something new to the Obama/McCain battle? Also, I haven't been checking... does anyone know whether this national trend leading the state trend phenomenon is still being seen, or has it faded away recently?

jqb said...

Sigh. I will never be satisfied until the entire map is blue. Come on, Oklahoma! Snap out of it!

Yeah, why can't Obama close the deal??

(Honestly, I hope I never hear that idiotic misused phrase again after this election.)

Eric said...

Seretse said...
Lance J said...
GA needs to turn more pinkish. If they're underestimating the black vote, this state could easily tilt towards Obama next tues.

Black turnout has been heavy but it usually is, and it's usually democrat. Obama needs strong white support to Carry the state.


No he doesn't. 30% would probably do it. I know that's a lot to ask, but it's all he needs.

Seretse said...

newsinOH said...
I hope the press doesn't let up on Palin after the election. She's a carnivorous cockroach that can't be allowed to crawl back into a dark corner.

Well if she wins, they certainly wont.

Eric said...

jqb said...
Sigh. I will never be satisfied until the entire map is blue. Come on, Oklahoma! Snap out of it!

Yeah, why can't Obama close the deal??

(Honestly, I hope I never hear that idiotic misused phrase again after this election.)


I assume you're not in sales and have no interest in ever being in sales. Ha

Eric said...

PAlin closes the deal for Obama. Every time she's on TV, another 10,000 votes for Obama. I estimat she's been on about 2500 times and is worth 2500 X 10,000 = 25,000,000 votes for Obama. Okay, I'm exaggerating, maybe only 20,000,000. Great closer!

Sarah Clark said...

I've had some questions about Oklahoma and why we're so damn republican. For people who aren't familiar with the southwest US and what forces are at play, here's a primer on OK's red tendencies, their historical roots, and why they may change in another cycle or two (though 08 is a foregone conclusion).

OK became a state in 1907. At that time we were a typical pioneer/western state, with a high and *relatively* affluent/assimilated native american population and very populist and progressive politics. (see Woodie Guthrie and Will Rogers) Things stayed that way until the late 20s into the 30s, when we had the oil boom, racial tensions created when large numbers of african-americans moved into the state (google the Tulsa Race Riots), and the oil bust/dust bowl of the early 30s. those who could fled the state for better lives on the west coast (see Okies), those who stayed were manipulated by racist demagogues and religious leaders who played to the lowest common denominator.

The two forces battled it out for a few decades, and we were something of a swing state until we were seduced to the dark side by the dixiecrats in the 50s and 60s.

However, things may start changing soon. the racist "greatest generation" is dying off in droves, and the boomers (my parents) are split politically--especially as they see their children coming back from Iraq wounded in body and spirit. Gen X (me) and the millennials (new voters) are staying in the state as the economic and social scene improves in Tulsa, Norman, and OKC (we're no Austin, but we also had nowhere else to go but up), and we are remarkably politically engaged. We care about our state and know it can do better. we're not there yet, but I think that you may see a nice pink blush just north of texas in another cycle or two.

Montana Conservative said...

Did the Mason Dixon poll of Montana, showing McCain +4, include Paul, Barr and Nader as options? In not, then it is good news for Obama because all evidence point to these three picking up 5+%.

slicknickshady said...

I don't get all of the concern with PA. I'm not worried about PA at all. Obama will not lose a state kerry won.

newsinOH said...

A new Cronkite/Eight Poll in Arizona shows Sen. John McCain leads Sen. Barack Obama by just two points, 46% to 44%.

Said poll director Bruce Merrill: "Obama has been closing the gap by attracting independents and women to his campaign. McCain does well among conservative Democrats and evangelicals. Still, a week is a long time in a political campaign and anything can happen. Who wins will be determined by which candidate gets their supporters out to the polls on Election Day."

Robin said...

State polls are good for obama while McCain appears to be closing in national polls.

When McCain was ahead after the R.N.C., we heard regularly from Nate et al that the state polls would catch up with Obama's improving national numbers in a week or so. Why does the same not apply now?

Bilbo Hussein Baggins said...

Lance J said...
Could someone tell me why PEW is such an outlier???


Its not really that much of one. RCP has taken off the CBS, Fox, NBC, Time and other polls from their National averaging which would make the Pew seem more typical

Darío said...

Fernando said:


"1. The partisan weighting targets for the Rasmussen tracking poll are currently 40.0% Democratic, 32.8% Republican, and 27.2% Other.

2. According to the subscriber page on Rasmussen's website, the partisan internals for the Rasmussen tracking poll are currently as follows:
* Democrats: Obama 88%--11% McCain
* Republicans: McCain 87%-10% Obama
* Other: Obama 50%-44% McCain".


I think the question is, in this year is true that in the country are 8% more democrats than republicans.
Is the party ID from Rasmussen accurate?

Seretse said...

eric said...
No he doesn't. 30% would probably do it. I know that's a lot to ask, but it's all he needs.

30% is strong White support for a Democratic candidate in Georgia. 2004 Exit Poll results for Kerry were about 24%. Black support was about 27%.

Lance J said...

Dude, B Hussein could take MT if Barr/Nader gets their share... they're quite independent, I think Perot did quite well there during '92

grandpa john said...

Could someone tell me why PEW is such an outlier???

how do we know he is, the internals are not suspect

nickotten78 said...

The key number in those PA polls Obama at 53% in ALL THREE. Most of the "undecided" voters can probably be better described as "lean McCain undecided" voters. But even if every single one of them votes for McCain which is virtually impossible, Obama still takes the state. There's even a good possibility that some of that "undecided" number is a result of Republican depression, and that a significant portion of them won't even turn out on election day.

kittles93 said...

jkrnyc,

I was born in PA and work there.

Your impressions of the state are off.

PA has been 4-5 points bluer than the rest of the US lately.

And Rendell won by 18 points, not nine.

slicknickshady said...

Why should I trust Rasmussen PA over say Morning Call?

I don't see a pollster rating for Morning Call.

Bry said...

On November Fourth, provided Obama wins, do we begin chanting "Yes, We Did!"?

The "Yes We Can" attitude, I think, is about more than winning the White House. I hope to see it continue.

UK Obama Fan said...

Hi All,

Not even remotely a computer whiz, but thought maybe somebody could knock-up a montage of BHO to this tune? http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=xR0DKOGco_o&feature=related

(can't even do links!)

It's the rather beautiful and uplifting Rufus Wainwright version of the Leonhard Cohen classic: Hallelujah.

Just thought it was apt.

Jared said...

Any comment on the discrepancy between a early voting poll on MSNBC hardball that has early voting tight between obama and Mccain, 48% to 47% respectivly, but another poll by Pew has Obama up by 19% in early voting?

It seems like this would be one pollsters would get right. Does this have something to do with under sampling young voters?

http://people-press.org/report/465/mccain-support-declines

Seretse said...

robin said...
When McCain was ahead after the R.N.C., we heard regularly from Nate et al that the state polls would catch up with Obama's improving national numbers in a week or so. Why does the same not apply now?

Earlier in the year National polls were published with greater regularity than state so National poll datasets were more current and so there was a "lagging". Now state polls are taken everyday and the same potential constituency is being polled for state as it is for national.

Publius said...

New poll to be released this evening has M+2 (!) in AZ. Never heard of this polling org before, but they seem to be well-respected in AZ.

http://tinyurl.com/5mjz8l

Remember the gloating when TN went for Bush in 2000? It would be great to turn the tables.

McCain SURGE!!!