10.27.2008

Today's Polls, 10/27

John McCain is making no progress in his pursuit of the White House. Our model now projects Barack Obama to win 351 electoral votes to John McCain's 187, and to win the Electoral College 96.7 percent of the time to McCain's 3.3 percent. Both numbers are unchanged from yesterday.

Let's take a look at the polls, and then run through a couple of big-picture themes:



Theme #1. If the national polls are tightening, there is no evidence of it in the state numbers. If the national tracking polls moved at all today, they moved slightly in McCain's direction, as he gained ground in the Rasmussen and Research 2000 polls, whereas the other six trackers were essentially flat. However, there has really been no sign of tightening in the state polls.

Our model places more emphasis on state polling, and there's a pretty good reason why: they give us a lot more data to look at. Today's for instance, there were 3,539 "fresh" interviews conducted (e.g. those that were not already accounted for in previous' days tracking polls) between eight national polls that we added to our database. By contrast, there were 22,881 fresh interviews conducted between 31 new state polls.

If the state polls aren't showing movement toward McCain, then it is probably the case that any perceived movement in the national polls is sampling noise. If anything, in fact, the state polls are showing movement toward Obama on balance, not just in battleground states like Virginia, but also in non-battlegrounds as diverse as New York, Oklahoma, Oregon and Arizona.

Theme #2. Obama has begun to run up the score in some non-battlegrounds. Polls in states like Washington, New York and California are now showing very large leads for Barack Obama. As some of these states have large populations, they are providing a bit of cushion to Obama in his popular vote margin. To a lesser extent, Barack Obama has also gained ground in some red states like Arizona and Georgia. As a result, whereas for the past several weeks we had shown Obama as being more likely to win the Electoral College while losing the popular vote, those probabilities have now begun to equalize themselves -- his popular vote was not quite as efficiently distributed as it was before.

Theme #3. We are approaching a pollster consensus in some battlegrounds. In certain states, the range of the polls has narrowed. Missouri and North Carolina now look like true toss-ups. Florida looks like a toss-up, leaning Obama. Ohio and Nevada lean clearly toward Obama, but McCain remains within striking distance. Colorado and Virginia lean more strongly toward Obama, and McCain may or may not be within striking distance. Pennsylvania has failed to tighten materially, and is probably not within striking distance. Likewise, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Iowa appear safe for Obama.

States where there is a bit more disagreement are Indiana and New Hampshire. The former can be described as a toss-up and the latter as a lean Obama state, but the range of polling is wider than in most other states. Meanwhile, there has been relatively little polling of New Mexico, and it is hard to tell whether McCain is viable there or not.

362 comments

Matt W said...

gosh darn idiot,
How does McCain pay for his (or rather Bush's) tax cuts?
Double standard anyone? McCain proposes a bigger deficit than Obama according to those same non partisan tax groups (see CBO)

PorridgeGun said...

Simeon said...

I have a clue - it's because you are a concern troll. Why else are you spamming the comments today, not about what the polls show, but about what *you* expect them to show in the coming days?

You expected today to be "McCain's best day" in I-don't-know-how-long, but it didn't move the needle his direction even a tenth of a percent.





Today, I am a concern troll. I'm seeing an unexplained drop-off for Obama. But with Tubes Stevens I'm more optimistic, that's why I'm asking about the coverage in the MSM.

InkStain said...

"I'm seeing an unexplained drop-off for Obama."

Could you show me the polls that show a noticeable drop-off for Obama?

Gosh Darn Independent said...

Matt W,

If you'll read my original post on the matter, I said McCain's plan was just as messy. I never defended him. No reason to call me an idiot.

I point out that there's reams of evidence suggesting Obama's tax plan can't come to fruition without some other major changes that we're not hearing about or seeing at the moment, and your response is to rip my head off.

Get your head out of Obama's ass for a minute and do some research on the matter.

Bradley Effect said...

drowzee,

Open any classifieds or go to ANY online employment site like yahoo jobs. There are literally thousands of jobs available! Some of the same jobs posted over and over again, why?

Matt W said...

I love it when the threads go past 200 comments and the new trolls don't know how to follow along

ialex said...

"A rising tide lifts all boats."

The "wealthy" = boats
Middle class = tide

If the middle class dries up the wealthy aren't going anywhere.

'Nuff said.

shadowguidex said...

"Are there any non-defense programs that you libs would eliminate? Just one? Or even cut"

Now we're on to spending. OK, I'll bite again, even though you asked this same shit a few days ago.

I'd eliminate inefficient programs by the handful. I'd press for efficiency and modernization on all programs to eliminate waste. I'd scale back our military spending by 25%. We currently spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined. There is a huge amount of money to be saved in military spending - case in point - Guantanamo. Close it and cancel the lease with Cuba. We have P{eurto Rico, we don't need Guantanamo.

I'd also admit Puerto Rico as the 51st state. That would immediately add millions of citizens to the income tax roll who currently do not pay income taxes.

Next, I'd increase Capital Gains taxes on all stocks sold that haven't been held for at least 6 months. We could generate a lot of additional income from people who treat the stock market like a fucking casino. Daytraders who add nothing to society can pay 5% more in their gains.

Finally, I'd end the war in Iraq. This has been discussed to death so I'll let this be self evident.

Concern Troll said...

So today all the polls said that th

Mason said...

GDI said:
They all say Obama can not pay for his cuts the way they are presented now without drastic cuts in spending. They said that if the spending cuts were made to where he could actually cut taxes the way he says, we would have a whole slew of new problems.

Furthermore, they say that McCain's are no better from a deficit point of view. However, you knew that already, as you did your research.

Gosh Darn Independent said...

shadowguidex,

Your argument earlier is fatally flawed. Correlation does NOT imply causation my friend. You can not simply say that when upper incomes were taxed the highest resulted in the country's economy performing well and that when those taxes were lowered we did poorly and leave it at that.

You would have to present a lot more evidence than that for your claim to at least be perceived as plausible...otherwise, you would be laughed out of an economics forum.

Heather Nordquist said...

@gosh darn
I am not too afraid to say that I am in the >$125K <$250K household. I consider myself quite fortunate, and if I had to pay an additional 2% or so, that would be ok. I would rather have Americans get access to health care and make sure our bridges don't collapse.

Gavin said...

Nate,

Do you think that national tracking polls precede state polling in picking up a change in public sentiment? Not by much, just by a day or two.

Just curious. It's a phenomenon that I feel like I've witnessed before, but it could easily be an illusion.

Heather Nordquist said...

"Are there any non-defense programs that you libs would eliminate? Just one? Or even cut"

I would do away with Bush's Faith Based Initiative

Forcefield said...

Gavin,

The drag on state polls is hardly a factor any longer, as these polls are being done and published inside of less than 48 hours, as I understand it.

Matt W said...

gosh darn,
2 questions...
1. Do you think this is a good time to cut federal spending?
2. What approximately do you think the slope is on the laffer curve for incomes over 250k? Is it positive or negative?

Concern Troll said...

Ever since the Joe the Plubmer, Obama has surged in Ohio polls. I wonder if Ohilons don't like Joe the Plubner?

Nickname unavailable said...

I'm still worried about that asteroid strike in the northeast.

Oh, wait a minute. Maybe it will hit Alaskie.

Gosh Darn Independent said...

Yes, and I'll repeat. All of the information presented by all of these taxation think tanks say that McCain's plan will be worse than Obama's for the federal deficit. I acknowledge that.

The issue at hand, though, was Obama and whether he can keep his "promise" of tax relief for 95% of Americans. The data suggest he can not and will have to call on tax increases on more Americans (many making below 250k - how far below, we won't know) or else cut spending dramatically, some of which on programs that can't afford a cut at this time.

Heather Nordquist said...

@shadowguidex

I would just add a transaction tax to the stock market. The Brits do it, and it would only adversely effect the day traders. Those that hold long term won't care about 1/4 -1/2 % on each trade.

Matt W said...

Gavin,
The idea of a polling lag between national and state polls is a myth perpetuated by the reality that most of the time national polls are more current than state polls. At this point state polls are almost as current so there is no lag

Francis said...

"I wonder if Ohilons don't like Joe the Plubner?"

Who likes plumbers? They cost you a ton and don't fix the problem.






Just like Republicans! [rim shot]

Concern Troll said...

>>Nickname unavailable said...

I'm still worried about that asteroid strike in the northeast.

Oh, wait a minute. Maybe it will hit Alaskie.
____________________________

D.L. Hughley on CNN last night reported that the asteroid won't hit until 2029.

shadowguidex said...

"Your argument earlier is fatally flawed. Correlation does NOT imply causation my friend. You can not simply say that when upper incomes were taxed the highest resulted in the country's economy performing well and that when those taxes were lowered we did poorly and leave it at that.

You would have to present a lot more evidence than that for your claim to at least be perceived as plausible...otherwise, you would be laughed out of an economics forum."


The evidence is out there and has been thoroughly explained by many economists. Those economists aren't Trickle-down-economists though, so depending on what econ forum you go on, they may or may not be listened to. This is true vice-versa as well.

About the highest brackets - you can see what percentage of the outstanding money in the system is being circulated. The wealthy don't circulate capitol, the poor and middle class do. Circulation equals GDP.

Bradley Effect said...

gdi,

LOL, weren't you the moron attacking me earlier! Now they have turned on you. How appropriate!

For jason and the other person making close to or over 250K: I'm happy for you guys, and you guys are the exception rather than the rule as far as normal incomes. Obama's policies will hurt my employer and that will ultimately hurt ME! I'm sure the same can be said with many other employers and employees.

NoVa Commie said...

They will both probably have to issue more debt. McCain will put us further in the hole than Obama.

The end.

InkStain said...

"They will both probably have to issue more debt. McCain will put us further in the hole than Obama."

I seriously doubt that. Though a lot of Republicans lately have abandoned it, McCain's deficit-hawk status is legit.

dsalkovi said...

Right-wing trolls,
The Tax Policy Center clearly shows that Obama's tax plan is far superior than McCain's re: the budget deficit. See http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/411750_updated_candidates_summary.pdf. Specifically the tables showing the estimates for 2018. Obama is $1.5 trillion better. But don't let facts get in the way of your lies.

Matt W said...

Shadow,
Unless the wealthy are shoving cash under their beds then they circulate it just as much as everyone else.
Piggy banks are the greatest dam in the current of money circulation!

PorridgeGun said...

Why do people keep telling me to relax? It's not my country that has the biggest clusterfuck of a ticket in American history within 5-7% of quite possibly the most intelligent and rational presidential candidate since John F. Kennedy. If I were American, I'd be tearing my hair out at the utter stupidity of some of these states. Like I said earlier today, if Obama were running in any other country, he'd be +30 by now. It's fucking embarrasing that it's even a race at this point.

Publius said...

Right-wing trolls who parrot Ayn Rand novels are GREAT NEWS!!! For ... oh, forget it.

As long as we're talking firewalls, even if PA flips to McCain (which is unlikely as PA hasn't gone for a GOP candidate since Bush 41 in 1988), as long as Barry holds Kerry + VA + NV + CO + NM (all of which Mc has more or less conceded), it still ends up with epic McCain fail at 270 to 268.

There are many paths to victory, but not very many of them belong to Mc.

NoVa Commie said...

In concept, yes. But he's not going to cut anything:

In Florida, promises not to cut NASA
In Iowa, waffles on ethanol
No plans to exit Iraq

Since his "tax plan" also puts us in the hole, where will he get the money?

mc9cain said...

"Are there any non-defense programs that you libs would eliminate? Just one? Or even cut"

Yup - a big one. The Iraq War. Costing us $343 million A DAY!!! And yes, it is a non-defense program. In fact, makes us less secure by tying up our military in a country that has nothing to do with terrorism.

For actual cost see this:http://theiraqinsider.blogspot.com/2008/02/how-much-does-iraq-war-cost-per-month.html

InkStain said...

" that has the biggest clusterfuck of a ticket in American history"

I know elections are time for hysterics, and I hate Palin's candidacy as much as anyone, but this isn't close to true.

Shan said...

Hi,

I was wondering if you had back-tested your model with polling from the 2004 eletion.

Heather Nordquist said...

HAHA Redstate retracted its headline

"Note - A previous version of this post was entitled "RedState Endorses Mark Begich, Democrat For Senate, and Ethan Berkowitz, Democrat for House At Large in Alaska." We have changed the title and amended the post to retract the formal endorsement out of respect for RedState Contributors who did not feel they could be associated in good conscience with an endorsement of two pro-abortion Democrats (though we note that Ted Stevens is also not pro-life). However, our point remains: the GOP, the conservative cause and even specifically the pro-life cause will be better off if Stevens and Young are defeated and the tarnish they carry with them are excised from the GOP."

Davis said...

Those are facts. Do your research.

When you're attempting to argue, the onus is on you to provide links and references to supporting statements for your side. Claiming "there's some stuff out there that supports my position, it's up to you to go find it and refute it" is not a valid method of argument.

Gosh Darn Independent said...

Matt W,

1) I'm always for cutting federal spending and think there could be some sacrifices made for sure....but there's only so much you can do at once as any drastic changes make for a world of hurt in the short-run

2) Understanding the ideal marginal tax rate under the Laffer curve is sort of an inexact and esoteric science. But it mostly has to do with where the marginal rate affects (i.e. increase or decrease) tax revenues.

I'm for having as little money as possible go through the government's grubby paws.

Matt W said...

GDI is quiet because he is busy looking up "laffer curve"

Concern Troll said...

Obama has a lead among early voters. If bad weather happens on election day, it may benefit Obama.

Cubfan said...

What the hell is that idiotic Drudge headline about? "ABCCBSNBCNYTLATWSJCNN
MSNBCAPREUTERSAFPPOLITCO
FTTIMEWASHPOSTNEWSWEEK:
CAN THEY ALL BE WRONG?" That guy is such a hack and his site is BUTT-UGLY. So 1995.

Matt W said...

GDI,
So what do you think the slope is for incomes over 250k? positive or negative?

Also, cutting spending is a terrible idea in a recession. Pretty much ever economist worth their salt will agree with that

Concern Troll said...

What channel are the Phillies on?

Matt said...

It should also be noted that income tax is not the only source of government revenue. All Americans support local, state, and federal government by way of sales tax, gas tax, property tax, social security, and medicare. None of those taxes are "progressive" except for income tax. People making less than 100k/year pay a higher percentage of their income to social security taxes. Consider then the fact that government has provided all kinds of tax loopholes for corporations and wealthy Americans (for instance, its more likely that lower-middle class folk don't own their own home, thus can't claim a mortgage deduction on their taxes). The same way that the Bush administration responded to the first recession in 2001 was to cut interest rates; a move that was most beneficial to people who owned houses, cars, boats, etc (not as much for working class people who are more likely to rent their home, own their used car outright, etc).

Drowzee said...

Bradley Effect:
Hence, why I had the "Means to reach them".

Have you developed a teleporter? What good does a job in Hawaii or Maine do for a poor person in Alaska or Montana?

That'll go well for any in-person interviews.

The jobs have to be where it is feasible for people to GET to work.

Not to mention finding housing and commute transportation.

Having tons of available jobs also doesn't help if you don't have appropriately qualified people to fill them.

I'm wondering if you've actually read Obama's tax plan with your boss.
Just in case Obama does win, you'd do well to know what will really happen to you in advance, yes?

Burning Blue said...

@McGhee
Re: OK -- you see the high McCain margin there because the "politics of resentment" are strong there (+ they are next to big bro TX, which is always giving them reason for resentment); the big McCain margin is also evident in UT (religion) and AL (more like OK in the "politics of resentment" dept.) -- these are just very, very culturally conservative places.

ScottGA said...

@gosh darn: Obama will run on a deficit rather than increasing taxes on the middle class. I don't like it, but it's a better plan than McCain. There's a reason Obama hasn't committed to balancing the budget. He's not willing to shamelessly lie like McCain.

Also, Obama's plans will focus on building infrastructure, building green energy, and creating jobs here. This will put our long term economy in a much better position to deal the the deficit.

Heather Nordquist said...

@bradleyeffect
Get back to us when you are close to $250K to tell us how bad it will hurt you. Obama has many new tax breaks for small business, and they are excluded from the health care requirements.

Bradley Effect said...

cubfan--

ABC
CBS
NBC
NYT
LAT
WSJ
CNN
MSNBC....

dsalkovi said...

I love the fact that the right-wingers are fuming that Obama has a far better, realistic tax cut plan than McCain! Sadly it will take years to repair the horrific damage done to the economy by Bush/Cheney. Obama gets us on the right track while McCain blows the deficit up worse!

mc9cain said...

porridgegun,
And you guys had the mental giant of Tony Blair in charge? Wow - he did great by you huh? What a fucking wimp. And your whole royalty thing? Now that's intelligence unparalled.

Liam Hedge said...

Hey guys... anyone else noticed this forum has diverged into a cess pit of name calling and extremely partisan attacks. Seriously, this is supposed to be a forum in which we discuss polling and predicting the election and now all I see on this page is the discussion of socialism, marxism and Ayers.

Lets just leave this discussion at "anyone who calls Obama socialist has about as much of a grasp of political ideology and science than they do on their own thin thread on reality". Look up what Socialism is and you can't honestly call Obama socialist based on the actual historical and ideological foundations.

Let's just get back to what this forum is supposed to be about.

Gosh Darn Independent said...

Davis,

It's been in the news, on TV, in print, on the internet...it's pretty much public knowledge if you do any reading about it...it really isn't "research" you have to do - just pay attention. I just assumed....guess that was my mistake.

And I'm not lying to whoever said that below....or above...or whatever. I said plainly that McCain would put us in a bigger hole. That's not the discussion. The discussion was if Obama can live up to his promise of tax relief to "95%" of Americans.

Quit changing the subject and calling me a liar. I'm not lying. I'm formulating an intelligent opinion based on facts. You can disagree, and that's fine, but I'm not lying or making anything up.

anbruch said...

Eric said...

Rasmussen Florida:

10/26 50-46 O
10/19 51-46 O
10/16 52-45 O
10/05 51-45 O

Rasmussen Virginia

10/26 51-47 O
10/12 50-47 O
10/05 50-48 O
9/28 50-45 O

Rasmussen Colorado

10/26/ 50-46 O
10/19 51-46 O
10/16 52-45 O
10/05 51-45 O


How could it be that consistent?



large sample size, which reduces the MoE, demographic corrections to the sample to ensure that it is "representative" (i.e., that it doesn't move much any one day, what Nate calls small "c" conservative). So, yes, as I understand it, they cook their numbers, but they do so with a method that (as I understand it) is meant to ensure that any day's sample conforms to a rolling average of the demographic profile over the last six months.

justin32099 said...

"Obama's policies will hurt my employer and that will ultimately hurt ME!"

I don't know who you're employed by, but if your employer's profits are gained by purchases from people, won't they also benefit from a tax cut to a majority of American people? If Obama were intending to keep everyone's taxes the same except for the upper tax brackets, I would understand your argument, but a middle class with spending power benefits everyone.

the old perfesser said...

RWC,

The government's programs transfer money from the non-rich to the rich by government policy. The Tax Code provides tax deductions and credits for the richest that are not relevant to poor and working class (for two examples - mortgage interest is tax-deductible, but renters get no tax benefit; capital gains income is taxed at a lower rate and wages).

The rich benefit by police powers that protect their properties and their wealth. The rich criminals get minimum security, minimum sentence at most, when their crimes cost people a LOT more of their nest eggs than street criminals ever would. The children of the wealthy got college student deferments, when the poor were drafted to Vietnam.

In short, the State works to the benefits of the wealthy; it is reasonable to have them pay some of their significantly increased wealth (The richest twenty per cent of Americans had their income increase 60% in the 1980-2005 interval, while the bottom 80% had incomes stay flat (both adjusted for inflation)). The rich benefit from the sum total of government policies. It's time they paid their share!

kittles93 said...

Amazing how you guys get worked up over Drudge. He is the right's version of Huffington Post - though Huffington Post has more proprietary writing.

Still, both aim for the same thing - political tabloid journalism. If you click, they are pleased.

Gosh Darn Independent said...

ScottGA,

Thanks so much for an intelligent response. I'm glad you could throw out a few nuggets of wisdom in opposition to my position without dragging the discourse into the mud. Thanks again.

PorridgeGun said...

InkStain said...

Could you show me the polls that show a noticeable drop-off for Obama?




Seriously??? Nate posts the numbers.


Rasmussen from +8 to +5 (likely to be lower tomorrow)

Zogby from +12 to +5

R2K from +12 to +5



There's also been a drop-off in the decent, and not so decent polls.


Missouri and North Carolina lead evaporating in recent polling.

Matt W said...

Ras uses party iD weights and Large sample sizes. His consistency is a sign of a strong methodology. THe population really does tend to change their opinions too fast like most polls would have you believe

Matt W said...

does not

Bradley Effect said...

My income ranges anywhere between 75-85K a year as I am contractual! I have looked at Obama's plan and so has my employer which happens to be a friend of mine! And we both have come to the conclusion that Obama's policies will do far more damage to us than McCain's! Please read the fine print folks! Unless you are in the upper echilon with jason and the other guy making over 250K and can absorb the blow, under Obama's plan the rest of us are f-u-c...d!

Matt W said...

GDI,
You went on a rant about "It's a fact...It's a fact"
We responded to that. I asked you intelligent questions about tax policy theory and you refused to answer. The mud is on your hands

Jonathan said...

Everyday American here, call me Joe The Retailer. Small business owner. I pay my employees off the books and do not provide insurance. Obama's offering me several targeted tax cuts (inventory tax being most significant in my sector) as well as deductions for putting these fine men and women on the books and buying them some much-needed insurance.

Sounds good to me.

Oh yeah, my business gross is over 250k a year... my net as owner and sole shareholder is considerably less. Seems a lot of folks have no idea how this works?

Sonia said...

porridgegun, I do believe you'd be better off if you took a few Xanax, drank a glass of wine, and laid down.

Gosh Darn Independent said...

Matt W,

The Laffer curve is on the fringe of economic discourse. Don't put too much weight on anything derived from analysis of it.

Its critics cover a broad spectrum as well. Mostly, though, it's been used as a tool by "supply-side" or "trickle-down" economists to prove that lower the overall effective tax rate actually increases tax revenues, so I'm surprised someone like you is quoting it so loosely.

kittles93 said...

porridgegun,

I hate to break it to you, but this is going to be a four or five point election.

Expect some tightening.

You fail to mention Gallup went up and that compared to last Monday, Obama is higher in the national polls.

I think Obama got a Colin Powell bounce reflected in the middle of last week. We are seeing some regression now.

Wins Beer Awards said...

Why do you think Rasmussen is likely to be lower tomorrow?

Derek said...

Florida is tighter than Missouri. Call it a hunch.

I hope that Nate will post not just his model's 51 predictions but his own, based on his knowledge of the polling history in the primaries, etc.

Matt W said...

GDI,
"someone like me"???
Yes, the Bush Tax cuts are justified by a misuse of the Laffer curve. Reaganomics is largely responsible for this kind of thinking, but the point remains regarding marginal tax rates on the 250k + group. It is extremely doubtful that we are at a point where the slope is negative and cutting taxes would increase revenue.

Gosh Darn Independent said...

Matt W,

It figures you'd be a hypocrite. You rail on anything "right-wing" or "supply-side" yet you try and engage in discourse and make points using the Laffer curve, an analysis tool used specifically to prove conservative economic viewpoints.

Michael said...

Nate (or anybody else who can help answer my question)--Obviously there's been a lot of talk about the "Bradley Effect," but I haven't heard much about the effect of young voters that don't have land-lines.
A while back I heard that almost all telephone polling is strictly land-line based. If that is indeed the case, wouldn't that leave out a sizable portion of the electorate in the sampling? And wouldn't the strictly cell phone crowd (mostly young voters like myself) heavily favor Obama?
Boiling it down to its simplest terms, is it possible that Obama could in reality be doing better in the polls than projected? And could this cancel out any potential "Bradley Effect"?

Michael said...

What major non-military major spending to cut?

1. Manned space program. Scientists know it's enormously inefficient compared to the non-manned program.

2. Farm subsidies. They can be cut somewhat and the remainder redirected toward conservation goals.

Both are politically hard. Obama has been weak on (2). But that was before he had an army. We'll need to push him and the Congress./mbw

Sanjay said...

Since blue states pay more in income taxes then they receive in Government spending and Red States receive more in Federal spending then they pay in income taxes what exactly is that- redistribution of wealth? Didn't hear the Governor of Alaska say that she didn't believe in redistribution when Alaska was getting all the handouts from the Federal Government.

Bob X said...

porridge posts: "I'm seeing an unexplained drop-off for Obama"
This happens on a regular weekly cycle. The polls which are taken over the weekends always find fewer Obama voters at home-- because Obama voters are more likely to have a date for Saturday night!

Heather Nordquist said...

@michael
Nate discussed and quantified the "cell-phone" effect in a previous post. Believe the last number was about 2.2%. You can check the archives for the post.

Gosh Darn Independent said...

I'm not talking about those making 250k+. I think they should have their taxes remain high or increase even. You've totally introduced and re-introduced totally separate items that are in now way related to what I originally questioned.

So forget it. If you want to introduce straw men and take them down, be my guest. Hide from the real questions all day. Fine by me. They'll come back to bite you in the ass one day, though.

Heather Nordquist said...

@bob x
LOL, so true.

Matt W said...

GDI,
I think you really misunderstand me... What did I rail on?
I think increasing marginal tax rates on 250k+ will raise revenue and have a negligible impact on economic activity.
I think that Govt spending must remain high to help stimulate economic growth
I believe in a progressive tax structure and I do not think that is "socialist"
I know that Obama will run a deficit, but that interest on that deficit will be lower if raising taxes appears to be "on the table".
You seem like a smart enough person I will respect what you have to say, but don't lecture me either, I study this stuff.

LAT said...

porridge--obviously the problem lies in the fact that you are looking at this from a distance. we have a huge deal in this election and re nervous but have trust of where things are. But you know, it isn't helpful to concern troll all day. you gain nothing and sincerely you have taken over a few threads today freaking out and it is quite exhausting and puts out a lot of negative energy.

Heather Nordquist said...

Drudge is the worst looking blog I've ever seen. Hey, I wonder if that is what the organizational scheme of the average Drudge reader's brain looks like?

Jen said...

I thought since I have yet to recognize a word from the word verification that maybe I was supposed to verify if it actually was a word.

Typing yes or no does not work.

Is whibilo (my word this time) a real word?

KQuark said...

I keep on hearing about these magical polls the Republicans have that show PA is much closer. I just don't see PA going for McCain. My father lives near Scranton which is a battleground area of PA he says having Joe Biden on the ticket really solidifies that area. I wonder if anyone has access to "the math" as KKKarl Rove once described it.

To me the race seems incredibly stable at this point. The daily tracking polls seem to have a weekend bias for McCain by by the middle of the week Obama is grows his lead again. Maybe Obama voters just have more of a life.

Matt W said...

I love it when people say "Drudge's headlines Screamed ...." His headlines don't scream anything it is like trying to read binary code

Liam said...

As a Canadian, I find the way Americans talk about socialism hilarious. McCain can run an "attack" on Obama which consists of nothing more than calling him a socialist, and Obama supporters vigourously defend him with denials of his socialism.

Turns out, socialism can be pretty awesome. Tommy Douglas, one of our most popular politicians and a socialist, introduced universal health care to Canada in the 60's. And we've got all kinds of other great social programs, too. Nothing's perfect, but socialism has had a pretty positive effect on the country throughout history.

This is undoubtedly the wrong place for it, but maybe someone here could explain why Americans are so terrified of socialism? "Oh no! I might not have to pay to go to the hospital!" Or does McCarthy's message still resonate from beyond the grave?

Mason said...

BE said:
gdi,

LOL, weren't you the moron attacking me earlier! Now they have turned on you. How appropriate!


Most people on here have gone around a turn or two with GDI in the past, n00b.

Dave Brodbeck said...

I remember when the Drudge report was spam from an AOL account on USENET, ahh the good ol' days...

TripWire said...

As a Democrat, I have been systematically trained in the last years to believe I lose unless otherwise specified beforehand. While the polling today is good in general, it is not great for a democrat.

As I like to say, there may be no bradley effect, but theres a cheat-democrats-out-of-the-vote effect, which usually is the cause of loss.

Until i see Virginia up for Obama by double digits, I'm very skeptical.

Obama is doing well in many battleground states. He needs to be doing GREAT in a few of them.

Matt W said...

liam,
it is an uneducated vestige of McCarthy. Really frustrating...
We have socialized education, Highways, park systems, and lots of locally socialized investments ranging from a sports franchise to the stadiums they play in. Oh yeah and now Banking!

Dave Brodbeck said...

@liam and Tommy Douglas was selected as the greatest Canadian ever a few years back, oh and he is Kieffer Sutherland's grandfather, so that makes him good on national defense...

lilnev said...

Eric -- the reason Rasmussen is so stable is because they weight by party ID, among other things. If you called up some hundreds of fully random people, several times, you would expect to get somewhat different proportions (mathematically quantifiable, even). But if you weighted by a strongly correlated variable (e.g. party ID), then 500 Dems + 420 Reps will give you a very stable result. I think Ras also weights by age, gender, race, and either education or income, making it even more stable. (Almost all pollsters weight by those four. Weighting by party ID is actively debated.)

Preying Mantits said...

OMG ...Right Wing Conspiracy dude... go troll somewhere else.

I never understand why people come on these chats and claim to be open to ideas but instead just belittle people and try and stir up shit. And then it dawns on me.... guys like RW Conspiracy dude have nothing else to do on a Monday night trapped in their mom's basement.

BrEnTpDeLiA said...

god i hate to do this
RWC.

It is socialism. Get used to it because every 1rst world nation uses a socialist tax system.

B) There is nothing philanthropic about socialism. It works like this.
RIch people (and companies) have a greater interest in social stability. They live wealthy lives, their business need roads and customers. They need police and soldiers to protect their weatlth.

If you do not have a system that keeps those at the bottom relatively secure do you know what happens?
At some point I grab my rifle (seriously I have a few. . .god bless the usa) and I TAKE your house and wealth. It's happened before. Read up a bit on the late 1800's. the "redistribution" of wealth was first started to keep frustrated people like my from coming to your house, lopping off your head, taking everything of value inside and burning it to the ground.

So RWC. WOuld you rather redistribute a tiny bit through the continuation of progressive taxation, or would you rather risk the social order. The social order that has and does favor the wealthy.

Remember you don't have a choice. You give it or I take it.
If it comes down to my kid not having food or me gutting you and frying it up for lunch don't hold your breath that Ill let my kids starve.

hope that explains it for you.

Matt W said...

We also have a hugely popular socialized healthcare system and pension plan

Mason said...

Derek begged:
I hope that Nate will post not just his model's 51 predictions but his own, based on his knowledge of the polling history in the primaries, etc.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!? That would make him like every other talking head. The point of this exercise is to be more accurate by taking an novel approach.

Ole Forsberg said...

@PorridgeGun (8:04pm)
""
Why do people keep telling me to relax? It's not my country that has the biggest clusterfuck of a ticket in American history within 5-7% of quite possibly the most intelligent and rational presidential candidate since John F. Kennedy. ... It's fucking embarrasing that it's even a race at this point.
""

PorridgeGun: At the risk of overly simplifying things, here is the rub:

Americans (we) have an inferiority complex. We fear those weaker than ourselves. We fear those stronger than ourselves. We fear those smarter than ourselves. We fear those dumber than ourselves. We fear those different from ourselves.

We do not want to feel inferior to others. Therefore, we have the best military in the world. We use it the most of anyone in the world. We deride those who are smarter than we (individually).

We do not understand the world. We fear it. Finding any good in another country means we are weak. We cannot be weak.

Palin mentioned that Obama wants us to be like Sweden. She focused on Sweden's socialism. She knows not Sweden. Sweden is very capitalistic. Sweden is very prosperous. Sweden does not have a persistent underclass. Sweden is very environmentally friendly. Sweden has the second best navy in terms of technology. Sweden is not spending billions weekly in a war that it sought.

God willing we were Sweden.

I am an American. I would not give up being an American for anything. I am proud of what we stand for. I am proud that we are (still) a beacon to the world. That liberty flows through our blood.

I am thoroughly embarrassed that stupidity completes with that liberty, that we want to elect someone who is obviously not prepared to be the president, someone who is obviously not prepared to be vice president, someone who does not show any intellectual inquisitiveness, someone who is willing to sell his soul to get the office, someone who does not understand the economy, someone who offers NOTHING except divisive tactics.

PorridgeGun, no matter who wins, I am an American. I will remain an American. I love America.

But I may weep bitter tears on November 5.

PorridgeGun said...

InkStain said...

I know elections are time for hysterics, and I hate Palin's candidacy as much as anyone, but this isn't close to true.


Unbelievable.


This Republican ticket is more unhinged and sadistic than Bush/Cheney.

McCain is openly misogynistic, even towards his own wife, and was/is PNAC's number one candidate. Palin is a creationist holy roller who thinks the VP runs the senate. Do I need to remind you that McCain said he'd wipe out half the Supreme Court given a half a chance. I mean, he didn't even beat around the bush about it. Those are just two examples of how they're to the far-right of even Bush/Cheney. They're more dangerous than the current fuckwits in charge. That's why some conervatives are jumping ship. Powell was fairly explicit about how far to the fringe this ticket is. What he said on MTP wasn't just an endorsement of Obama, he's genuinely unsettled by what he's seen from both McCain/Palin and their supporters.

TripWire said...

@liam

America... is a very... selfish nation. I may get flak from the trolls here but we are so involved in ourselves and our interests that we rarely care about another person. Only in speeches do you hear people talk about helping others, but when policy time comes, you can bet the tiny bit of money you have left that this nation wont give half a damn about anyone.

Jesus.... would laugh at any conservative that talks about loving god. They dont follow any of his beliefs. They are anti-gay, anti choice and hate helping others.

And that is what McCain picks up on. American's ability to hate anyone else and not move a finger to help them feeds McCains support. All he has to do is saty "Barack obama is a communist socialist (the two contradict each other and are totally opposite but stupid fucks here dont understand that) and it works.

The mental image of some black family sitting at home eating a baconater given by the welfare system on behalf of the "redistribution of wealth" I.E. some black guy taking my hard earned money so "they" can be well too..... fuels the inner hatred we have toward our brethren.

It's sad, but it is true.

Matt W said...

brentpdelia,
Redistribution IS NOT socialism.
But you are correct to say that every economy must have aspects of capitalism, socialism, and redistribution. At least if they want to be successful! The trick is agreeing to the exact mix of the three.

Ole Forsberg said...

Also, for those who reiterate that FICA is not a tax. You are wrong:

I am 'charged' a fee every paycheck called 'FICA'. I never see this 'FICA' again. The money I pay into 'FICA' never comes back to me. This 'FICA' money I pay goes to current retirees (or near-retirees).

This is a tax.

dvdmgsr said...

aybe the problem is that people have a knee-jerk reaction to the word "socialism", which is actually something this country has utilized (to a relatively small extent) pretty reasonably in its era of greatest world dominance, supported by Democrats and Republicans alike. Apparently, a progressive taxation system is socialism. Apparently, taxing the richest at a level of 35% on income above $340K is socialism, while 39% (or whatever Obama's proposal is) above $250K is not. Sure, whatever. Wanna buy a copy of The Daily Worker? This Mao suit is kind of scratchy, but I like the little red star on the cap.

Matt W said...

fica is a ponzi scheme

TripWire said...

Anyone who knows anything about economics knows FICA goes to the generation receiving it. It is not banked on behalf of you-it is taken from you and given to someone ELSE who is ALREADY retired.

Matt W said...

tripwire,
Sort of... So far it is running a surplus, which is sort of "banked".

tomthress said...

"Zogby from +12 to +5

R2K from +12 to +5"

R2000 was +9 yesterday and Zogby was +5.3 (it's +4.8 today).

TripWire said...

The funniest thing here is you see these neo-nazi neo-xon far right wing whackjobs come here (presumably because they have nothing else to do) and whine about tax cuts which will, most likely, go to themselves.

They are so selfish and loathe and giving other people help that they would punish themselves on behalf of such arrogance.

Ole Forsberg said...

@TripWire
""
Jesus.... would laugh at any conservative that talks about loving god. They dont follow any of his beliefs. They are anti-gay, anti choice and hate helping others.
""

Tripwire: Jesus would not laugh. To find out what Jesus would do, look up John 11:35.

Without doubt, Jesus was a radical libertarian socialist. Love was the basis of his message, as was taking care of each other. Am I my brother's keeper was an easy question for Jesus: YES!

We are responsible for the weakest amongst us. The gospel of life is more than just anti-abortion, it is PRO-LIFE. No death penalty. Care for each other. Love your neighbor. Help the poor. Cloth the naked. Visit the imprisoned.

Too bad most 'Christians' focus on Paul and the legalist parts of the OT and not on those pesky red letters.

TripWire said...

@Matt

That is, mainly, because this current generation on the verge of retirement is part of the very large generation..... The boomers are all going to be retired in a matter of a decade or so, and it will strain that system. So that pretty much goes under the category of taking money from person A and giving it to significantly older person B.

That falls under McFailin's "Redistribution of wealth" scare.

bobnsj said...

New thread

TripWire said...

Tue ole, he would probably cry if he indeed exists/existed.

We love to boast about how we are the most god lovin people.... yet we only love god because it reinforces the selfish belief.

If i am a true christian I would be rewarded with an unimaginable paradise beyond my wildest dreams for all of eternity.

Preying Mantits said...

To Right Wing Conspiracy Dude

go back to your troll cave before I carve to you into Hagi soup.

Its morons like you who give the Hitler Youth a bad name

R-Boy said...

@GDI

Honestly, I don't quite get where you learned your economics. So here goes.

McCain's plan is worse than Obama's per the Tax Policy source you cited.

Secondly, the "Laffer curve" is a theoretical construct that hasn't really been very robust in reality. Truth is, people work for monetary benefit and intangible, psychological benefit. There's also this thing called "Diminishing Marginal Utility of Income", which essentially means that as you get more money, the utility (happiness) you gain is less and less, falling towards zero with an incremental increase in income. Your appeal to the Laffer curve doesn't cut it.

I think you took an undergrad course and thought that was it to economics.

10 years and 3 degrees in economics says otherwise.

PorridgeGun said...

LOL Apparently I'm everybody's favorite poster today. My approval rating has taken a nosedive for sure. But I'm right on this though. If Obama's dropping in R2K, something is up with these moronic 2-5%. I'll bet RCP is sorry they excluded it from the national average.


My negative energy will turn postive if the polling atarts to reflect how utterly FUBAR the McCain campaign has become. How else do you explain Obama not extending his national lead, or at least solidifying it, in the last few days?

Colorado Liberal said...

RWC must believe that Ronald Reagan was a socialist since Obama's tax rates are lower and friendlier to the wealthy than they were under Reagan.

BTW, we already have socialism in this country. Remember the bailout bill? $700 billion to socialize the losses of Wall Street. Road projects, public schools, police departments, our military.....ALL are examples of socialistic programs.

The debate now is whether to increase the socialization of medicine. Notice I said INCREASE, since Medicare is a socialized form of medical care. Social Security? Socialism.

You got a problem with that?

akoolromeo said...

Whenever there is a tax cut, it has to be paid for. That is something Republicans don't seem to understand, which is why they have given up 8 trillion of the 10 trillion dollar debt in just a matter of two Presidencies. If one is going to give a tax cut to the Middle Class, then the money to pay for that cut has to come from one of the other income brackets. Which one should it come from? The poor? Or those making over $250,000?
The same goes for giving a tax brake to those making over $250,000. It would have to bepaid for by taxing the middle class and lower more to pay for it. Unless one wants to continue to drive up the National debt at a record pace. Cutting spending alone isn't going to come close to being even a drop in the bucket to pay for a tax cut.

Eric said...

The point with this whole budget thing is Obama and company will sit down do the math and make hard decisions. The budget will be balanced or close to it. McCain finished almost last in his class for good reason. It's not just that he liked to party and didn't care. That'll get you a 2.0-2.5 GPA. In order ot finish close to dead last out of 858 students, you can't be too bright. He'll either cut all spending with a hatchet or continue huge deficits. He really doesn't get it. It's not just a line the Dems were using.

broberts said...

anyone mentioned earned income tax credit? IIRC Regan introduced it. Doesn't it give tax money back to working poor?

dave said...

Here in New Mexico, it doesn't appear that McCain is viable. He'll pick up the ranching/oil areas in the south. However, he was only able to draw about 1000 pretty unenthusiastic supporters Saturday vs. at least 40,000 for Obama in the evening. The Democratic GOTV mechanisms here are running well - the Santa Fe Obama office is humming. Plenty of early voting with fleets of volunteers to take people to polling places. My Republican inlaws are going to vote for McCain, but haven't yet, and really don't like Palin. But they are worried that Obama is a muslim socialist...

Trevor said...

BUT I DONT LIKE DA GUBMINT TAKIN MAH MONEYS!

Seriously, I'm amazed that "redistribution of wealth" has become something of a rallying cry for right-wingers (albeit a weak one). What will the next one be, "rule of law"? Oh wait...

Chris said...

a naive question... if the national polls are (approximately) stagnant, and we see the race widening in non-battleground states, shouldn't the battleground states be getting tighter? I may be mistaken, but I figured the pollsters would be taking an appropriate amount of people from close races and wide races... do national polls focus more on tight battles, or is this some small aberration?

johnmcferrinisi said...

"How many of you libs are going to pay extra money to the IRS voluntarily?"

I know that in IL state taxes, there is the option to pay extra money towards specific programs. I contribute money towards those programs via my tax forms. So please, fuck along now. People are you are why I left the Republican party.

Nate said...

RK 2000 is not +5% its +8%

David Sanger said...

Nate:

"Today's for instance, there were 3,539 "fresh" interviews conducted "

This seems an awfully small sample - spread over multiple polls no less - perhaps only a few hundred in California, less in other states

Why cannot a poll next time around do daily polls of 50-100,000 people and get a much smaller margin of error?

Kellic said...

While these numbers are nice I'm concerned. McCain has the sound bite of Obama saying he wants to spread the wealth. Forget the interpretation. I know what it means is different then what McCain is interpenetrating it as.
If McCain starts blasting the airwaves with this I think it would impact the polls. Now much? No idea. But its physical media he can use now. It doesn't hurt though that the bite doesn't even sound like Obama because its so old. :-P Still this could help shrink Obama's lead in a few states. The half hour ad on Wed better be a damn good one. While I believe a lead is a lead a marginal one leaves open the ability of the Repubs to manipulate it.

Mammoth said...

Wealthy people already pay more than poor people, you moron libs. Always have, always will, regardless of whether the Messiah wins next week. The only critical difference between Obama and McCain is that Obama will start taking money directly from those who he decides have too much, and give it directly to people who he decides need it.

That is Marxist, and that is Obama. But you're too ignorant or lazy to understand that.


First of all my turtle friend... This is hardly MARXISM - THOU should read - What you speak of is a result of AMERICAN DEMOCRACY, considering this "redistribution" of wealth will be enacted by the AMERICAN electorate via OBAMA.

Second the foolish REGAN TD ECO. is dead...
YOUR mentality fucked us ten to many times and this is what the richies get!

The point is if we the people do not act we will go the way of ROME... IF money and corps. are our only moral compass we are lost.

Mammoth said...

Are there any non-defense programs that you libs would eliminate? Just one? Or even cut?


YES!!!

CORPORATE WEALTH-FARE

AND

CORPORATE TAX HAVENS

David R said...

Andy JS said...

"I don't believe Obama will win Virginia by more than 5%. Anyone agree?"

As long as he wins by 1+ vote, who cares.

emily said...

Poor GDI has been so maligned for his (her?) fairly reasonable initial post. As far as I can tell, shadowguidex @October 27, 2008 7:54 PM was responding to an actual troll, but it's a decent answer to GDI's question about how it might be possible for Obama to eventually balance the budget (or at least not go further into the red) while still cutting taxes for 95% of Americans. And, you know, hopefully this economy thing will start functioning again, what with promoting green energy etc and increasing middle/lower class buying power. So there's logic to it, though also part fairydust--Obama's message *is* about optimism, though.

(I dunno about Puerto Rico... is it possible to bring them into the union without their cooperation? I think statehood is something they contemplate and contest fairly regularly....)

@ BrEnTpDeLiA

This is actually the answer I kept waiting for ppl to give. Well, couched in more politic terms (maybe someone else did the less threatening version upstream), but basically "the rich have more invested in the system (that has made them rich), so they (should) put more (proportionally) back into it". I think I actually learned this in intermediate, so go social studies teachers? Maybe?

David R said...

kimmy said...

"Ted Stevens being found GUILTY is GOOD NEWS for John McCain, because his veep was palling around with the crook ... "

You really gotta wonder about Alaska politics. Just about every top level politician IS ETHICALLY challenged.

Maybe now McBarbie will shut the hell up about Obama and Ayers. (I doubt it, though.)

David R said...

tek said...

"I can't wait for the 2010 midterms. The Republicans picked up about 5 formerly democratic seats in 2004. I am hoping we get some of those back to pad the lead in the senate"

Geez, and I thought I was impatient. Can you wait at least until November 5?

David R said...

Elliot Tarabour said...

"It would be great to get to 60 withOUT Lieberman."

Don't worry, that weasel will vote with the dems, or he will be just as worthless as the repubs.

David R said...

Dear Right Wing Conspiricist,

We don't have to explain anything to you over the next 8 (at least) years.

Figure it out yourself.

David R said...

paprbackwriter16 said...

"Does anyone know what the procedure is if Stevens continues running and is re-elected? I believe the Senate will most likely call for his expulsion, but what happens to the seat then? Does the Governor of his state (i.e. Palin) appoint someone? An any civic-savvy fivethirtyeighters out there clue us in?"

Yes.

Palin cuts a deal with the Lt. Governor. She steps down. He becomes governor. He appoints her to the Senate.

emily said...

David R.

In Alaska, *if* he is expulsed, they'd hold a special election for it. The Governor doesn't just get to appoint someone. (Whether she'd run in that special election is another thing, though, and I'd wonder if she could pull that off?)

David R said...

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

"Wealthy people already pay more than poor people, you moron libs. Always have, always will, regardless of whether the Messiah wins next week. The only critical difference between Obama and McCain is that Obama will start taking money directly from those who he decides have too much, and give it directly to people who he decides need it.

That is Marxist, and that is Obama. But you're too ignorant or lazy to understand that."

I pay taxes to send other people's kids to school and for other things that don't benefit me directly.

I would be willing to pay more taxes if I could be assured that Right Wing Conspiricist might learn something and quit making stupid statements.

It's probably too late for him, though. Some are just incapable of learning.

nctrnl said...

LOL McCain is losing hold of Arizona

David R said...

Why does everyone feel a need to respond to RWC?

Just ignore him and he will shut up and go away.

emily said...

You being the latest to respond to RWC, I can only assume you're being ironic. XD

David R said...

Ironic, no.

Finished, yes.

David R said...

emily,

Maybe Stevens will have the decency to resign (or croak). Then my scenario could play out.

emily said...

Well, I don't think so? Because the Governor of Alaska doesn't get to designate the replacement for the Senator. They'd hold a special election for it. (Unless you mean it's different when he just resigns, rather than being expulsed?)

He's not dropping out (though I guess he doesn't have a choice if he wants to keep up appearances while appealing), but I wonder if he *would* be expulsed, since that requires 2/3rds of the Senate. How much do ~8 Repubs want to bolster their own reputations for being hard on corruption compared to the shit they'll get for betraying the party? The GOP Party, even? Also. Anyway, he clearly *doesn't* have the decency to resign, sigh.

David R said...

If a vacancy occurs between elections, generally the governor of the state appoints a replacement to serve as senator until the next biennial election.

lilnev said...

On taxation: Obama's plan neither raises nor lowers them overall -- gov't receipts will be about the same. (Personally I'd like to see them raised slightly, yes even on me, to start bringing the deficit down). Rather, he's asking high-income Americans (who received the bulk of the benefits from the Bush cuts) to pay taxes at Clinton rates, and cutting taxes for low- and middle-income Americans. So the way I see it, if W Bush had aimed his tax cuts at the working and middle class instead of the rich, then Obama wouldn't need a tax policy.

Of course, W didn't. I leave it to you to debate whether the anemic overall economic growth and stagnation of median wages is a consequence of that decision, or just a coincidence.

Oh yeah, and the last data I have is from 2006, but: the 100 wealthiest Americans paid 22% of their income in federal taxes, on average. We don't have a progressive system, we have a "hump-shaped" system, where the highest taxes fall on those making $100k - $500k in wages or salary. Once you hit the capital gains bracket (making money for having money, rather than making money for working), the living is easy.

Bail Out Movie 2008 said...

*

Should The top management of the Public listed company be responsible for the company performance, eg company nearly get wind up?

http://bailoutmovie.blogspot.com/

Are you a Partisan?

Should they give their view......? Any regulation to prevent similiar thing from happen?

If any party did not give their views, send it to their supporter to question them....

Top Ramen said...

GDI: "Are there any non-defense programs that you libs would eliminate? Just one? Or even cut?"

When our military spends almost as much as the rest of the world combined, over $1trillion a year, more than 1/2 the federal discretionary spending, I tend to think that that's all the spending we need to look at.

But for argument's sake, other things I would cut:

The "War on Drugs," which takes up an inordinate amount of our police budget for the results, or lack there of, it gets.

Similarly, I would reduce or eliminate prison sentences for non-violent crimes, reducing the prison population by over 50%.

Corn ethanol subsidies. It's inefficient, better to spend it on algae and other alt. fuels sources.

That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I can think of some more.

That enough?

Jake_4 said...

Dear RWC,

What does "spread the wealth" mean? Is taxing the wealthy socialism? "Many Republicans have bitterly opposed the federal income tax since the 16th amendment was passed in 1913. Is McCain going to repeal the federal income tax? If so, how does he plan to finance the government? Or does he mean that the difference between the top rate of 39.6% under Bill Clinton and the top rate of 36% under George Bush is the difference between communism and capitalism? The purpose of the progressive federal income tax is to spread the wealth. That Democrats have supported a progressive income tax for decades is hardly news. Does McCain want to keep the tax but make it a flat tax (a la Steve Forbes)? No word on this. It seems this is just another desperate attempt to attack Obama rather than being a serious policy proposal for tax reform and it comes awfully late in the game. If McCain wanted to run on a platform of a flat tax, he certainly has had the opportunity, but until now he didn't bring up the subject."

So is taxing the wealthy by 3.6% more (the same tax rate experienced by the top 5% under Clinton) socialism? No. You remember the Clinton era right? Back when the economy was in good shape and the middle class was thriving.

etienne said...

greetings from the lost world...Oklahoma. We're not all red rednecks here. Tulsa and OKC have strong pockets of blue. But we are often punished for showing our colors.

Great website and posters. I look forward to contributing.

NightWolf said...

These polling numbers reflect far more accuracy from polls exhibited with main-stream jargon (example CNN) especially for the following reasons:

#1 Considering the record numbers of new voters registering under the Democratic party, and
#2 Considering the ever shaky, albeit non-existent "platform" McCain is running on, not withstanding his choice of running mate

(hmmm, now why ever do I feel more at home in Wisconsin, than the years I spent in Oklahoma?)

Driver said...

Nate, Sean or anyone:

Are there any studies/references to the effect of caller id on polling data? It seems unlikely there would be a big skew to the R or D side.

Thanks.

===

This is an uneducated guess, but older land-line-only voters, I believe, are LESS likely to have caller ID.

I work with the elderly, and vision problems and reluctance to engage modern technology work against owning caller ID. And the habit, if you're an older voter, is to answer the phone. Easier to pick up and hang up than peer at the ID first.

So anyone with caller ID may be younger and busy enough that they want to screen their calls. Elderly people may pick up the phone out of loneliness as much as willingness to be polled (I also work as a telemarketer).

This could skew results.

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egapre said...

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