This is not the time when John McCain can afford a bad polling day. And yet he's had perhaps his worst one of the year.
The national trackers were essentially a push -- three moved toward Obama, two toward McCain, two were flat -- but the action today is at the state level. And boy, there is a lot of action: 29 new state polls enterring our database. And many of them contain great news for Obama.
We already discussed the Big Ten and Quinnipiac polls, which are exceptionally strong for Obama across the board. But those aren't the only places where he's putting up some intimidating numbers. National Journal and SurveyUSA join Big Ten and Quinnipiac in giving Obama a double-digit lead in Pennsylvania, as does the Morning Call tracker. The Schroth Eldon & Associates poll for the Miami Herald and St. Pete Times in Florida, which has a fairly good reputation, puts him ahead by 7 in the Sunshine State. SurveyUSA now gives him a lead in Indiana, joining PPP and Big Ten; Indiana has turned blue on our map.
Obama even leads in Montana, a state which his campaign has never disengaged from, according to an MSU-Billings poll. Importantly, the MSU poll mentioned Ron Paul by name, who is on the ballot in Montana. He drew 4 percent of the vote, the precise difference between Obama and McCain. Furthermore, Obama's strong results in deep red states like Montana and Indiana lead our model to conclude that North Dakota may in fact be in play, as well as two of Nebraska's three congressional districts. If the election were held today, the Obama campaign might very well sweep every state on their target list.
To find good news for McCain, you have to go South -- to the deep South -- where new polling in Arkansas, Texas, and Louisiana suggests that those states have yet to become competitive.
As a result of all of this, there is now no perceptible rebound for John McCain; in fact, the race may still be trending toward Obama, although the safer assumption is that it's flat. Meanwhile, Obama's electoral position appears as strong as ever. John McCain's chances of winning the election have dwindled to 3.7%, down from 6.5% yesterday.
10.23.2008
Today's Polls, 10/23: McCain on Life Support
by Nate Silver @ 9:00 PM...see also arkansas, california, florida, georgia, illinois, indiana, kansas, louisiana, maine, michigan, minnesota, montana, north carolina, ohio, pennsylvania, texas, today's polls, washington, wisconsin
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Woot.
Lookin' good.
Pac-Man says "CHOMP!"
Goodness gracious! That mode at 375 EV is a monster.
Obama landslide now over 50%!
Nate, you have to tell us what the 1 McCain Landslide scenario worked out to be.
Heaven! I have died!
This is GREAT NEWS....for JOHN MCCAIN!
And he delivers...
WHEEEEEEEEE
These polls are great news!!! For Barack Obama!!!
Wow, look how BLUE that map is!
On this day, October 23rd, in 2004, George Bush led John Kerry 48.5% to 45.3%.
For Final results, please see presidential inauguration, January 2005
John Kerry never again led in any major tracking poll
(45) days since the Fundamental Shift towards McCain/Palin as described by PeteKent
You 'Cons should be getting really nervous!
Congratulations to President Barack HUSSEIN Obama Jr. Get used to saying it, rethugs.
(emphasis placed on middle name to spite race-mongerers who tried to use it politically)
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Wow 38 polls in one day!?! Thank god for The Model.
In one day mccains win percentage practically cut in half.
And those state polls are incredible.
We could be looking at a reagan realignment here.
Red Pac-Man getting devoured by Blue Pac-Man. Only 12 days to go until he's all gobbled up. Keep munchin'!
Someone leaked the Republican Death List. Is it too early for Nate to start working on the 2010 list?
Finally the model gets introduced to reality in North Dakota...
I see all of the top 5 EV results hang on the outcomes in North Dakota and Nebraska...
I looked in the FAQ and couldn't find an answer... could someone please explain how Obama can have four-tenths of an electoral vote?
Nate, what the heck happened in West Virginia? Last week you were calling it a tossup, and now it's redder than a baboon's ass.
8 years of nightmare is ALMOST over!
What an egregious misspelling, Nate. The correct spelling was:
Many of them contain GREAT NEWS!!! For President-Elect John McCain!!!!
Wow!!!
OK I just want to point out three things.
1. All of the most likely scenarios are now between 375 and 380, and the landslide percentage has gone up to 54.33%
2. Obama wins the election 45% of the time when McCAIN WINS the Popular vote! (270 of 597)
3. Obama now has a 98% chance of winning PA, which is supposed to be McCain's last best hope.
I think I just wet myslef a little
Keith Olbermann: Senator, Joe the Plummer is going down the toilet and he's talking you with him.
Priceless!
Nate, you missed at SurveyUSA poll of Indiana:
Obama 49
McCain 45
you have just rewarded my 347th refresh of the page since 4pm pacific. thank you.
I have said 100 times on this board that all MT without Paul are irrelevant - we get one, and Obama is ahead.
Did you guys hear about the NM crazy woman writing a letter?
Nate you forgot SuSA's new Indiana poll:
Obama + 4 (49 - 45)
http://www.whas11.com/justposted/stories/081023whasasPoliticsIndianaPoll.13e574f24.html
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We could be looking at a reagan realignment here."
Cats are juggling pies in the street!
Seriously, there was an article on a new Sagebrush rebellion:
http://www.politicswest.com/local_western_politics/31840/mad_voter_new_sagebrush_rebellion
has any one seen the new RCP average for Indiana? why have they stopped counting the new PPP poll but kept week old Rasmussen and CNN polls
Orlando Sentinel endorses Barack Obama for president
mia-
It is right there in the anaswers. The number of EVs in the map is the average, not the most common scenario.
Nate mentioned the SUSA IN poll, but didn't include it in the poll table.
Also, the state-by-state detail tables on the right don't seem to be updated.
I love to see history in the making.
Big Ten polls were strange a month ago, & they are still strange. The only reason to give any credence to Big Ten polling is because the left-leaning Quinnipiac matches it in Ohio, which is admittedly too strong to attribute solely to a sampling bias (unless you are TIPP).
But +9.5 for Obama in Indiana?? Sorry, I just don't see it happening. But I'll hope for it all the same!
Great post!
@mia
it's the mean, not the mode or median (I think it should be the median, personally)
Nate, what the heck happened in West Virginia? Last week you were calling it a tossup, and now it's redder than a baboon's ass.
What happened is that people started polling there in the aftermath of that outlier ARG made. I probably give too much blame to electoral-vote.com for that on my own blog (nfu.blogspot.com), but you're not the only one who noticed this. Every poll that hit WV this year besides that one ARG poll has McCain winning.
RCP is biased.
calboy: RCP no longer includes party-affiliated polls in their averages. PPP is associated with the Democrats.
good night guys
I may actually sleep tonight.
LATimes: L.A. police chief records anti-McCain robocall for Obama
Obama will be in Denver and Ft Collins ( CSU ) on Sunday. So he will have hit Las Vegas, Albuquerque and Denver in 2 days.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10798320
Not far to fly to Montana for a rally on Monday.
Even petey the parrot can't bring himself to post tonight. He's probably busy with his picture of joe the plumber...
I concur with some other posters - we HAVE to know the one McCain landslide scenario.
I need to forgo the bathroom breaks, I'm slow to move to the new thread.
As everyone else has weighed in on the new polls
Ninety Six.Three
96.3
1 - .37
100 - 3.7
The light at the end of the tunnel is now flickering.
Twelve days left.
Nate said:
Furthermore, Obama's strong results in deep red states like Montana and Indiana lead our model to conclude that North Dakota may in fact be in play
Why does the model take poll results in Montana and Indiana at face value for moving their numbers, but poll results in North Dakota need validation from Montana and Indiana before moving its numbers?
Geoff, Quinnipiac is not a left-leaning poll.
This year McCain leads a lot of Quinn polls in Florida and the last Quinnipiac poll in PA in 2004 was Bush +1.
@ fred, dawolf, et al. - Heh... got it, thank you. Not reading carefully enough.
Dude Nate, seriously. McCain is like 1 MILLION YEARS OLD. Don't title your post "McCain on Life Support". I thought you were reporting something!
The SUSA IN poll is included. Look at the extended state-by-state polling tables on the right side.
Electoral vote:
Blue PacMan with retractable mouth eating a third of a pizza (heavy on tomatoes)
Win Percentage :
Blue PacMan nibbling on a chile pepper
Wow! I know the timeline doesn't quite match, but I can't help but correlate the most recent polls with Palin's lame response to Brian Williams on "Preconditions"!
Poor John -- I think we all like him at one time. . . a little bit?
"Great news for Obama" is GREAT NEWS!!!!!!! For JOHN MCCAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can believe the qualitative conclusion that McCain is on life support. However, I would like to caution against reading too much into the percentages. The mathematical justification for Brownian motion and Gaussian curves and so on is valid in the middle of the curve. Its validity spreads in to the tail slowly, and in real life situations it tends to underestimate the chance of landing in the tail. It is difficult to account for all possible game-changing events that throw the state of an election (for instance) far into the tail.
This is a well-known limitation of the Black-Scholes model, which is also based on Brownian motion, for pricing options. Investors often use an empirical distribution with a fatter tail than a Gaussian.
I assume that the underlying simulation is based on a hypothesis of correlated Brownian motion in the poll results. If so, then again I believe that McCain is on the ropes, but 3.7% may well be lower than a sound estimate of his chances.
That total Wimp Obama.
Next maybe he can do the job right and go for Texas.
Thats the problem with contenders these days - not enough ambition.
Why does the model take poll results in Montana and Indiana at face value for moving their numbers, but poll results in North Dakota need validation from Montana and Indiana before moving its numbers?
The model looks for corroborating evidence in general, either using multiple polls from one state, or from states with similar demographics.
The two Obama-favorable ND polls had insufficient corroborating evidence until the MT and IN polls joined them.
Oh, I'm sure that Obama will maybe be able to get the Liberal MSM, massive voter fraud, and massive donation fraud to drag him across the finish line.
And jackass-be-nimble was here last week telling us that McCain would be leading by last weekend! Doh!
To republicons: Your "socialism" boogey-man bullshit aint workin' this year. You fascists are being booted out. Permanently, most likely.
Montana is a toss up according to RCP
there was +4O Obama for Montana.
Regarding NE-02, according the the Omaha World-Herald, Douglas County (which is nearly the entirety of NE-02), for the first time in 14 years, has more registered Democrats than Republicans.
http://omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2835&u_sid=10467500
http://media.gatewayva.com/photos/rtd/slideshows/20081023rally/index.html
Some great pictures and slideshow from Richmond VA yesterday! Enjoy.
Certainly doesn't look good for McCain. I'm sure has something up his sleeve though...
National Lampoon Interview
Getting swept aside in one of the most historical elections of all time is GREAT NEWS!!! for JOHN MCCAIN!!!!
Thank God, even being a Republican family it'll be a pleasure to see air-headed Palin go back to Alaska to finish off what's left of her short Political career. That woman is plain stupid if I'm being honest...she is an embarrassment to our party. She and McCain is why our family is voting for Obama, those two running our great country is a scary thought!
I was refreshing the site from 5:30 to when it was posted. You've been witholding my daily fix.
Haha RWC. Blaming non-existent voter fraud already?
Don't let your eyes get to red when you're crying them out on election night when Obama wins NC!
He will barely pull it out probably winning like 273 EVs.
That is if Osama bin Laden doesn't make a cameo first, libs!
more Bible Spice cartoons
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200810u/palin-shopping
I voted today in Indiana. What a relief to have it done before the 4th. Now the polls are showing what we are voting. Obama '08!
"WOOHOO! Obama's blue spike looks like the burj-dubai! sweet!"
ooo, is it really smart to use a building in the Arab World in the same sentence as Obama's name?
RWC said...Oh, I'm sure that Obama will maybe be able to get the Liberal MSM, massive voter fraud, and massive donation fraud to drag him across the finish line.
You Think? Just Maybe across the finish line... no money left...out of breath and no clear mandate.
Interesting observation Mr. RWC.
Poor McCain.
He had his heart set on the perfect retirment home, and now it looks like some AA has made a better offer.
"Oh, I'm sure that Obama will maybe be able to get the Liberal MSM, massive voter fraud, and massive donation fraud to drag him across the finish line"
Oh boo fricken hoo. The liberal media this, the liberal media that.
I'm a liberal pal, and the media is too damn conservative for my tastes. Just some info for ya - when you're standing at the end of the plank, everyone else is in the boat.
For polling junkies (all of us?), this is a MUST read:
The New Republic
Survey Says...
by Michael Crowley
How many polls does it take to screw up an election?
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=a3894827-4373-4f9b-a0e9-ebbc88036375
RWC''not even original that exact same phrase was seen over The Corner today. Plagiarizing on top of stupidity.
Nate silver 538: statistical analysis
RWC: predictions out of his ass
You will be, how did you say it, "crying on election night" RWC.
You and your troglodytes won't have power for a LOOONG time...
Fun fact: The states that McCain has a greater than 0% chance of winning add up to 345 EV.
So that 1 in 10,000 chance that McCain has at a landslide involves flipping at least one 100% Obama state.
Probably not going to happen...
C'mon, can we see the McCain landslide scenario?
I need a little more delirious laughter for my evening!
Great job as usual Nate.
Woooooo!!!
Dario,
Certainly the lean is not official, but I point to Colorado (Q at +9 vs CNN +7, Ras +5), Florida (Q at +5 vs PPP[!] at +1, Ras at -1), New Jersey (Q at +23 vs Gannett +17, Ras +8), & most of all Ohio (Q at +14[!!] vs Ras -2, CNN +5, Suffolk +9, M-D -1).
Although in Michigan & in Minnesota the results are more in line. Quinnipiac just appears to present heavy leaners more often than stable averages.
NYT endorsement for Obama is out.
Jackam-
Because the ND polls cam first and looked awful weird especially if the model wasn't correlating eastern ND with MN strongly? After the MT poll came out because the MT numbers are linked to ND numbers the model started to believe the ND numbers. Conversely if the MT numbers came out and the ND numbers weren't already floating around the model would have been strongly doubting MT and would need good numbers from a place like ND to make it believe. Not sure why Indiana would seem to have a stronger impact on ND than some of the MN internals though. Can get Indiana hitting the Nebraska congressional districts though.
And on the congressional deathlist- whoa does Gilmore really have less money on hand than Palins wardrobe? I was wondering why we haven't seen jack shit from him though we have been seeing Warner, Connelly, Thinian and Judy Feder on DC TV. Is Gilmore just for show? I still miss the chance for a good race we could have had if Tom Davis got the Republican nod but Warner in the senate is excellent.
Mia-
The total number of electoral votes shown for each candidate are the "expected" number found by multiplying the probability that candidate will win a particular state times the number of electoral votes for that state, doing that for each state, then adding them all up.
Of course, in reality, each state will be winner take all (with the exception of ME and NE), but the expected value is a good predictor of what the actual number will be.
If North Dakota is in play then South Dakota is probably in play too.
My impression is that the 1996 Clinton-Dole race is a better comparison to this year than either Bush-Gore or Bush-Kerry. Landslide territory without a real 3rd party candidate. Yes/No?
@ lat...
lol. RWC plagiarizing... you've got to be kidding.
RWC, what do you have to say for yourself.
Thumbs down to RWC.
The two Obama-favorable ND polls had insufficient corroborating evidence until the MT and IN polls joined them.
So what's corroborating the new MT and IN polls?
"My impression is that the 1996 Clinton-Dole race is a better comparison to this year than either Bush-Gore or Bush-Kerry."
H. Ross Perot received 7.8 million votes that year. Less than 1992, but still sutbtantial. Clinton didnt reach 50%, not close.
Hey y'all,
I've e-mailed 538 (538dotcom@gmail.com) to request outing 'Mule Rider' from the discussions. I'm all for free speech but when you start threatening people with hate speech, then I have to take a stand. I realize that Ass Rider can show up as some other identity, but I think it's important to make a stand. I request that you send a message to Nate and crew to reject this provocateur from our discourse. Stop cluttering up our discourse with hatred.
David: 1996 Clinton Dole now
1988 Bush Dukakis (in numbers not states
if we keep moving.
The exit polls will fool Republicans. but everyone is telling democrats to vote weeks early so the republicans can't stop them on election day.
yes totalplagiarism. You know RWC some of us do read conservative sites so you have to be original!
Here is the original quoteÑ
"The reason the press are going to such shameless lengths to drag Obama across the finish line is because he's their last best hope at restoring the old media environment, including a new Unfairness Doctrine for radio, and regulation of the Internet," - Mark Steyn, NRO.
"If North Dakota is in play then South Dakota is probably in play too."
ND has Fargo, which is *relatively* urban.
In 1996, Perot got 8.4% of the vote and various other 3rd parties got 1.6%. I don't see any of the 3rd parties this year getting quite that much play.
It was 379-159 Clinton, by the way - just barely a landslide.
Obama landslide is EXCELLENT NEWS!!! .........for SARAH PALIN 2012!!!
A lot of movement in one day!
Don't forget! the win % assumes a 50:50 split of undecideds: I like how this looks, but don't get too cocky.
I just updated my Photostream of the charts on Flickr. This is the sharpest movement I've seen in a while. Wow!
Nice cartoon lat...
Still waiting for the MSM to point out the fiscal imprudency of it all. I mean you can get identical same gear at Macy*s for half the price
How low can McCain's win percentage chance go? I thought when O was winning all but 12 per cent of scenarios life was pretty sweet. Then 10, then 7, but 3.7?
Are those the scenarios when aliens arrive and take most dems to outer space?
A one act play by Aaron.
Aaron: I wonder if fivethirtyeight.com has updated polls from today. I bet McCain's robocalls are wreaking havoc in Florida.
McCain: Muahahahahaha!
*refresh*
Aaron: My eyes are wet with jubilation.
*curtain call*
The fact that Obama hasn't made inroads in Arkansas PISSES ME OFF. Someone get Bill Clinton over there so we can sway some votes.
As a solider in the Marine Corps, I am SHAKING WITH RAGE as I type this because I was JUST ASSAULTED by a liberal Obama thug, whom I just finished delivering a severe ass kicking.
After coming back from war in Iraq, I was aproached by a liberal with an Obama sign whilst standing at the ATM mashine. He told me to give him my money, I told him ‘No, go get a job filthy libhippie”. He then became inraged, and after seeing my McCAIN sticker on my Ford 150, he took out a knife and BEGAN TO ATTAMPT TO CARVE THE LETTER B ON MY FACE!
I then began to assume the combat position, I ingaged my Marine Core Vision (MCV), zeroed in my liberal enemy combatant, and delivered a series of lethal ninjitsu blows to his brachial plexus. After approximately 5.6 seconds, the liberal dropped the knife and fell subconscious to the floor. “AND THIS IS FOR ASHLEY TOD!” I said, and deliverd my deadly TIGER UPPERCUT move on his liberal cock-smoking face.
THIS is what happens, libs, when you mess with Marines. Do you want me to come over there and kick your ass!
SIMPER FI
JOHN MCCAIN - LANDSLIDE ON NOV 4!!
I'm also very curious to know what the 1 landslide scenario for McCain was... Please give details!
I'm a little confused. In the EV graph on the right of the site... shouldn't we see a matching profile of republican EV for every dem EV won? if, in 1400 simulations, Sen. Obama wins 360 EV, there should be 1400 simulations in which Sen. McCain wins 178 EV.
I still file a Dem win in Indiana under "I'll believe it when I see it."
I'm curious if the model takes into account the number of days left until the election. In other words, all other factors being equal, does the model weigh the difficulty of a McCain comeback with the clock ticking down?
So it seems like the two states we really need more polling of are North Dakota and Nebraska (!)
North Dakota has been adequately polled. Three polls last week, all with virtually identical results.
actually Becky if I can be a total chick here for a sec--you can actually get these outfits for much much less at stores like Zara, H&M, Black & White, and even better--the outlets of Neimans, Barneys NY and Sacks. But she went top dollar.
(p)artisan-
No, I don't think that the model is assigning undecideds straight down the middle but rather by a formula including the demographics of the undies and how much Obama over/under performed in the primaries. Nate anounced it sometime last week.
Nice to see you again, He-Man.
A short photo essay on the state of the McCain Campaign:
http://img.waffleimages.com/14c25222cbbaf483b0f69a542514e2f7601a125e/mccain campaign.PNG
"I'm curious if the model takes into account the number of days left until the election. In other words, all other factors being equal, does the model weigh the difficulty of a McCain comeback with the clock ticking down?"
Absolutely yes.
I'd like to know if the model takes into account a bin Laden tape.
Oh my god, Florida voters are having to wait upwards of 5 hours to fucking vote? That's insane. Here in Wisconsin, I have never had to wait more than 5 minutes, and that was only once. I normally go sometime during the day and walk right up to the ladies who give me my ballot, then right to the ballot table thingy, then hand in the ballot and done. All told, it normally takes me maybe 5 minutes to vote. Five hours is just insane - Florida needs to accommodate their electorate better.
I was in Montana last week and saw quite a few Paul signs so I would only trust polling up there that includes Paul in their choices
"As a solider in the Marine Corps, I am SHAKING WITH RAGE as I type this because I was JUST ASSAULTED by a liberal Obama thug, whom I just finished delivering a severe ass kicking.
After coming back from war in Iraq, I was aproached by a liberal with an Obama sign whilst standing at the ATM mashine. He told me to give him my money, I told him ‘No, go get a job filthy libhippie”. He then became inraged, and after seeing my McCAIN sticker on my Ford 150, he took out a knife and BEGAN TO ATTAMPT TO CARVE THE LETTER B ON MY FACE!
I then began to assume the combat position, I ingaged my Marine Core Vision (MCV), zeroed in my liberal enemy combatant, and delivered a series of lethal ninjitsu blows to his brachial plexus. After approximately 5.6 seconds, the liberal dropped the knife and fell subconscious to the floor. “AND THIS IS FOR ASHLEY TOD!” I said, and deliverd my deadly TIGER UPPERCUT move on his liberal cock-smoking face.
THIS is what happens, libs, when you mess with Marines. Do you want me to come over there and kick your ass!
SIMPER FI
JOHN MCCAIN - LANDSLIDE ON NOV 4!!"
ROFL... probably got his ass handed to him by a pro-Obama marine and could not psychologically handle it, so he reversed the subjects in that story... pathetic
HE (who likely is a parodist) is not even an American - he/she used the word "whilst", which is common in the UK, but never used in the US.
"The two Obama-favorable ND polls had insufficient corroborating evidence until the MT and IN polls joined them.
So what's corroborating the new MT and IN polls?"
The ND polls. The model takes 6 polls (3 IN, 2 ND, 1 MT) more seriously than 2 polls (2 ND). If the MT poll had come out first, the model would have been equally skeptical of it. Note that the model gives Obama better odds in ND (30%) than in MT (22%) anyway.
Yes...everyone should vote early, it's the best idea ever for voting. You don't want some of those ultra conservative housewives that'll be volounteering at the polls to have an oppurtunity to skew things in air-head Palin's favor. Early voting pulls the rug right out from all of those people. Encourage ALL of your friends in various states to early vote as well!!
I call 401 EVs.
There will be no bin laden tape.
Hackers have taken down all of al-queada's (sp?) webpages.
Too bad for you, huh RWC?
About 288 hours until polls close? :)
Guys, "He" is parody troll.
Relax.
Tremendous contribution HE --- with all the timely news...well done as always.,
I'm a little confused. In the EV graph on the right of the site... shouldn't we see a matching profile of republican EV for every dem EV won? if, in 1400 simulations, Sen. Obama wins 360 EV, there should be 1400 simulations in which Sen. McCain wins 178 EV.
The EV chart only shows Obama's numbers. Any outcome that gets Obama to 270 EV is blue. The itsy bitsy bit of red indicates that Obama got less than 270 EV.
So it seems like the three states we really need more polling of are North Dakota, Nebraska, and Montana (!)
Anyone have any pull with olling organizations?
come on LAT, it actually takes time and work to get a quality wardrobe at the H & M; Bannana Republic; Ann Taylor; Benneton price range. They only had two days so they had to spend more than a R Senate candidate in an open seat race after an R incumbent has on had per the leaked Death List.
Brian- the model models different degrees of fluctuations in the time left. I think Nate said that if all polls remained the same/no polls were released the model would move .5% a day toward the candidate in the lead by default.
I listened to many of the Lyndon Baines Johnson phone recordings that C-SPAN3 aired on Sunday mornings.
In October 1964 he was far, far ahead of Goldwater, much more than Obama is ahead now, yet he was still concerned. I remember him asking for poll numbers in Pennsylvania, which he eventually won 65-35.
It seemed absurd to me when I was listening, a few years ago. I knew Goldwater only won some Deep South states and Arizona.
But here I am, with my preferred candidate for President significantly ahead in the Electoral College calculation, and I'm still not sure it is going to turn out alright!
Did you all hear that Goldwater's granddaughter endorses Obama? She is a fan of her "Paka's" ideology, which did not include anti-abortion, nor does she guess it would include anti-gay-marriage nonsense.
Republicans now holding out hope that either racism or terrorists will save them.
The ND polls. The model takes 6 polls (3 IN, 2 ND, 1 MT) more seriously than 2 polls (2 ND). If the MT poll had come out first, the model would have been equally skeptical of it. Note that the model gives Obama better odds in ND (30%) than in MT (22%) anyway.
Isn't that convenient?
Anyone who can tell me,
Why don't I see the Indiana poll from 10/22 on SurveyUsa's website even though it already shows 10/23? Is this my flub or Leve's?
ACORN kicked my dog!!!!!
They don't need a website, just AL JAZEERA!
actually Becky if I can be a total chick here for a sec--you can actually get these outfits for much much less at stores like Zara, H&M, Black & White, and even better--the outlets of Neimans, Barneys NY and Sacks. But she went top dollar.
Lat, oh yeah I know! H&M rules! But I figured they'd go no lower than Macy's.
(BTW Sacks outlet is getting pricey - the one in Napa anyway)
Patrick said...
Regarding NE-02, according the the Omaha World-Herald, Douglas County (which is nearly the entirety of NE-02), for the first time in 14 years, has more registered Democrats than Republicans.
http://omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2835&u_sid=10467500
I've been working NE-2 for the past few weeks and I can tell you that outnumbering the repubs isnt going to do it here. we call NE-2 dems identifying obama supporters and some of them are just as bad as the repubs. Remember, Dems in Nebaska are repubs anywhere else.
Just wanted to say... I call dibs on "Number One Fan" in the "He Admiration Club".
@he
I thought the purpose of the word verification test was to screen out people like you
John McCain has breasts.
Hey rightwingretard
bin laden tape only moved polls two points at most!
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/guest-column-will-bin-laden-strike.html
Not enough to save McKrypt keeper!
Hey, Nate, you need to recalibrate the poll analysis to allow for voter suppression in states with Republican Secretaries of State. Figure 30+% of African Americans and new voters will have their registrations purged or invalidated.
No wonder there's a move on to mobilize national guard and police in some areas for "the day after". If the GOP steals this election thanks to their voter-suppression efforts, there's gonna be some real pitchforks and torches mood in the country.
I hope some of these lawsuits and injunctions are successful to restrain Rove's conspirators before election day. "Help America Vote Act," my ass!
Sweet merciful crap, that's a lot of blue.
Come on, landslide! I win a lot if he breaks 375 EV!
BTW, the number of rats fleeing the sinking ship has been hilarious, particularly Palin starting her 2012 campaign. Now, if you think this year is going to be a landslide ...
.... ahhhhh. Oh yeah. This is gonna be sweeeeeeeeet.
Sorry if this has already been posted - Scott McClellan endorsed Obama today
Becky Sharp said...
@he
I thought the purpose of the word verification test was to screen out people like you
Becky,
It would have to be a "simple math or logic problem" test. Even trolls can type some random letters
clarissa--ha ha. yes dressing cool for less takes effort! and they had to dress her, make her into Bible Spice! And I also think that she is high high maintenance. She would not step at H&M you know? But we are the elitists.
Becky--tell me about it. The Barneys outlet here in nyc is so so expensive now. Not even worth it anymore. But there is always Century 21.
rob, LOL re the Star Wars trash compactor pic
Soooooo, I guess that there 50 state thing works, eh? Who wants to bet that every candidate in the future tries it.
Obama up to 375 EVs on Intrade
Wow it must hurt to be a rethuglican right now!
"WOOHOO! Obama's blue spike looks like the burj-dubai! sweet!"
ooo, is it really smart to use a building in the Arab World in the same sentence as Obama's name?
LOL, Is this a bigoted game of 6-degrees of separation now?
The Burj is in Dubai, Dubai is in the United Arab Emirates, the official state religion of UAE is Islam and radical Islamists support terrorism. Therefore, 375 EV for Obama = teh evildoers win?
"I think Nate said that if all polls remained the same/no polls were released the model would move .5% a day toward the candidate in the lead by default."
If that's true, then if Obama can hold his current lead, he'll have a 102% chance of winning by Election Day. And I bet there'll still be Democrats worried about losing - "but what about that -2% chance of McCain; I'd feel better if McCain's win percentage was -10%!"
Can someone explain the "This is great news...FOR JOHN MCCAIN!!!" gag to me please?
For some reason it always cracks me up, even though I don't really get it and by all rights should probably find it annoying.
Is it a cultural reference that us lot outside America wouldn't get? (When I say 'outside America', I mean as in the whole USA, not just those areas where Piper Palin would enjoy bazookaing Kodiak bears.)
That map looks seriously beautiful today.
christian,
thanks for the updated flickr. I was amazed at how much the EV graph has tightened over time and become so compressed, as would be expected in a valid model. Looking back one week in your slides sure shows the difference.
And thanks lat for yet another Bible Spice cartoon. Funny what little details capture the public's attention.
If Obama had a video of him hugging and consoling his dying white grandmother, what would happen?
Outside of the "GOP Base" claiming it's all a conspiracy we'd get all the Clinton 92-96 states.
thanks, this thread really made my day.
zechaplunga:
I believe the story originates from the old dem primary days, when some user on dailykos would post "these polls are great news for hillary" no matter what the posting looked like.
It's taken a life of its own now.
This is great news for .. USA !
I've been a bit worried about the validity of ANY poll - after listening to Kennedy on Rachel Maddow's show.
If significant % of voters have been purged from registration - and they don't know that - they will continue to be in the LV model and the polls will be wrong.
Man, that Heatless and Brainless leak to the GOP Death List is priceless. 11 GOP seats ranked a 5 (almost certainly gone) and 7 ranked a 4 (very vulnerable) and thats not including Bachman who was a 3 before the implosion. 2 GOP Senate seats (VA & NM) at 5 and 3 GOP Senate seats at 4 (AK, NC & CO).
Meanwhile only 1!!! Dem seat at a 5 (Mahoney) and they didn't even bother making a Senate Dem list. Youza.
Zech, there was a poster who would post that everyday when the polls were going up.
It is pretty funny.
The wingnuts are praying for Osama Bin Laden to come save them. Now that is truly pathetic. This is the best election ever.
Not understanding where "This is great news...FOR JOHN MCCAIN!!!" came from is GREAT NEWS!!!...for JOHN MCCAIN!!!
this is great, but let's not get complacent! nobody lets up until nov 5!! leave it all on the road...........
There´re a lot of Fords F-150 in Montana with Obama stickers, HE.
@zechaplunga,
The congrats... posts started after the GOP convention when there actually was Great news for McCain for awhile. In a clasic case of stealing and inverting the message Dems have taken it and made it a joke.
That it makes you laugh means it is working.
"Anyone who can tell me,
Why don't I see the Indiana poll from 10/22 on SurveyUsa's website even though it already shows 10/23? Is this my flub or Leve's?"
It's not on their website. It's om the site of the TV station that sponsored it:
http://www.whas11.com/topstories/stories/081023whasasPoliticsIndianaPoll.13e574f24.html
You know who I am reminded of, watching this McCain campaign implosion ....
Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind ...
Right Wing Conspiricist must have some Right Wing Constipation after a polling day like today, whew!
The new McCain strategy: wait for terrorists to make a promo vid?
The democratic party juggernaut is gaining momentum. I think it is a bigger landslide than polls currently show across all races - pres, senate, congress.
McCain on "life support" - funny.
Holy. Shit.
From the AP:
McCain, who has accepted public financing for his campaign, is restricted in his spending. As of Oct. 15 he had more than $25 million in hand, but more than $1 million debts. The RNC, which has been helping his candidacy, had more than $59 million in the bank.
At McCain's spending rate of $1.5 million a day, the Arizona senator likely has only $12 million to spend in the next 11 days before the Nov. 4 election.
If I recall correctly, Obama was budgeting about $10M for GOTV. I read about that allocation prior to them raising $150Mil. I would imagine they have budgeted a lot more now.
Somewhat unrelated, but did anyone else see this article on CNN?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/23/obama.check/index.html
It sounds like some factions of the Republican party are starting to acknowledge which way this campaign is going.
As near as I can tell the intent of the adds is to improve registered GOP turnout at the polls on the 4th, since polls seem to be showing a lack of enthusiasm this election cycle amongst registered Republicans. I don't know how much of a difference they'll really make, but it is interesting none-the-less.
So I haven't posted since this new word verification went up, and I missed it when I tried to post earlier. Does that make me a troll???
My message was something like:
MANDATE!!!!
I'd like to know if the model takes into account a bin Laden tape.
Yes, it does. The model's assumptions about how much the polls might change in the remaining time before Nov 4th are based on the history of the polls over the last 6 or so elections (see Nate's FAQ for details, link at top of page). That includes the 2004 election with its bin Laden tape (the one the CIA later concluded was deliberately intended by Al Quaeda as reverse psychology to help Bush, as he'd been so great for their recruiting efforts).
Obama may even outperform Clinton this election. Outperforming an incumbnent president, I know Bill is pissed off about that.
Thank you Pa John,
Damn you Leve!
omfg *____*
rethuglicans:
LOL if you think the OSAMA man can save you!
According to the 2004 polls he only helped bush my two points max!
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/guest-column-will-bin-laden-strike.html
Too bad he's dead! You might only be behind 6 points instead of 8!
Not sure it will matter much....but an entire new set of McCain ads hitting TV here in PA - especially during World Series coverage...
(s)HE,
Why did you use the TIGER UPPERCUT instead of FALCON PUNCH?? Falcon Punch is a way cooler move. I use it all the time since I love abortion...seeing as I'm a Democrat.
With regards to what this election can be compared to...
Definately not gore-bush or bush-kerry. Maybe bush-dukakis...
But honestly, I think the fundamentals of this election make it most comparable to Reagan-Carter or Kennedy-Nixon. We'll see which it more resembles.
Right Wing Conspiricist said...
That is if Osama bin Laden doesn't make a cameo first, libs!
Yeah, it's only fair bin Laden should make an appearance, seeing as al Quaida endorsed McCain a few day ago.
Good stuff He.
news--this is just me, but I think that these little things catch on because they reinforce a sense that people have of the person the story or the detail is about. I said yesterday that while most american women love the makeover story, they only love it when the person is seen to be deserving, or good. It never works when the makeover happens to the b*%$#* it is the kind of thing women really really dislike. This is why this story has legs. It;s like The Devil Wears Prada on the campaign trail.
But enough from me about fashion and Bible Spice!d
Wow, talk about desperate, reich-wingers are counting on bin Laden to help McGrampa win. Pathetic
MSU-Billings polls are a complete joke, as I lived firsthand and referred to several days ago in the Philly suburbs post.
I believe "This is GREAT NEWS for John McCain !!!11!1!" evolved from "This is excellent news for Hillary Clinton!," which was used during the primary to denote very non-excellent news for Hillary Clinton.
I refuse to believe anyone has ever used the phrase in a non-ironic manner.
OK now I'm starting to feel almost sorry for McCain. Can't help it - always get sad for losers. He's just a pathetic old man who was out of his depth
Someone snap me out of it
prairie--yes excellent point about Inherit the Wind.
"
HE (who likely is a parodist) is not even an American - he/she used the word "whilst", which is common in the UK, but never used in the US."
I use whilst, with great frequency.
RWC: You could be right. Perhaps, al Qaeda or ObL will release something through al Jazeera. Nevertheless, remember Obama holds the trump card. He can always say, "Do you want mccain-PALIN (emphasis intended) conducting the War?" This woman can't even make good decisions with regard to baby names. Also, the 2004 election was based on foreign policy exclusively. The 2008 election has a different dynamic. Further, Obama could just claim that McCain's decision to invade Iraq and follow Bush is what allows this fearmongering. Finally, if this should happen, I can almost promise that Powell will be on the stump for Obama.
I agree that it is something to watch out for. However, it may make the race a narrow Obama victory as opposed to a thrashing.
Goodness, this former Republican chairwoman from Virginia just said that she thinks that the Repubs can still win the senate race against Warner. If the repubs can still turn that one around (only a 30% swing) then Pennsylvania is a lock for McCain. No wonder they went into Pennsylvania. I hear Vermont is also in play...They are pretty entertaining. It'll be boring when it's over.
Obama may even outperform Clinton this election. Outperforming an incumbnent president, I know Bill is pissed off about that.
North Dakota and Montana would do it. Georgia and two pieces of Nebraska would seal the deal.
That would be 398. To reach 400 Obama will need another state...from the model it looks like SD or WV are the states that would do it.
These polls in favor of Obama make me wanna either run out onto a football field and tear odwn the goalposts, or just...
Dance.....dance..dance. (Busts out the James Brown moves)
@ Sean Quinn,
OK we will temper our enthusiasm for MT going Blue.
Great stuff from VA by the way
I'd like Obama to have a national lead of at least 10% on election day, just to be absolutely certain.
becky--just go over to TPM and see the chronicle of slime his campaign is unleashing and that will snap you out of feeling sorry for this man. He has been pretty despicable.
@Becky
It's McCain's own fault. If he'd run as a moderate he might have lost some of the Republican Base but given the choice between him and Obama they'd have voted for him. He could then have appealed to the middle who were unsure of Obama and potentially won with the "Obama's time will come, he's too inexperienced now" meme.
He's failed through his own tactics (I won't credit him with strategy), so doesn't deserve pity.
@Becky
Remember that McCain-Palin smeared Obama for the last month. You will stop feeling sorry for the Repubs and their evil ways.
Actually, He is referencing a story from CNN.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/23/woman-claims-attack-linked-to-mccain-sticker/
And....
Osama Bin Laden can't change this election now.
Think about it. 7 years with no results, and he WON'T BE CAPTURED IN IRAQ.
There has been no suggestion he was ever IN Iraq after 9/11, and the media hasn't driven that story.
If Osama is captured, it brings up Obama's vote against the war and justifies it (he's said all along that it's Pakistan that we should focus on), while McCain gets nothing.
So yeah, would be nice if Osama gets dragged into the public view again, in chains. It'd leave Bush a little parting dignity, not that he really deserves it.
Hey He!
SIMPER FI
JOHN MCCAIN - LANDSLIDE ON NOV 4!!"
It's SEMPER FI!
Haven't you seen the bumper stickers?
I don't think bin Laden could change the outcome at this point. Between Colin Powell vouching for Obama, and the fact that so many have already voted, and mostly Democrats, it would probably be too little too late.
More important information from me.
Two supposed "chicks" in this thread spelled it SACKS, its Saks. This is a bigger flag than whilst.
IRONY ALERT!!!
Bill O'Reilly and FOX News fears a possible Democratic White House and Congress and GET THIS... A Complicit Press
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/bill-oreilly-laments-possible-democrati
You know what I'd love to witness...
Obama catching Bin Laden in the first two years of his presidency. Really just twist the dagger in the backs of the Achtung-Reichstadters...er, I mean Republicans
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