Let's just start things off with a nice, big chart:
You should notice a couple of new features. Firstly, I am now listing the national polls that have come out since the last update -- today there are a ton of them -- just so that we can be more fully transparent. Also, we now have a way to indicate tracking polls: they are designated with a slash. So, for instance, a "3000/3" (as for the Rasmussen Tracker) means that the poll included a rolling sample of 3,000 voters conducted over a 3-day window.
Obviously, there are a lot of great numbers for Obama today. Essentially all of the CNN polls look good for him, as do the other couple of Florida polls. Rasmussen has him maintaining his lead in North Carolina, and PPP has him way ahead in Michigan -- enough, apparently, that MCcain has now given up on winning the state (more on this when I get a moment).
There are also a handful of good numbers for McCain -- Mason-Dixon in Virginia, and the New Mexico polls show Obama stalling a bit, though still comfortably ahead. McCain is still clinging to a tiny lead in Indiana. But clearly, it's been a big Obama day, and the McCain campaign now seems to be aware that their electoral map is falling apart.
Somewhat counterintuitively, Obama's national win percentage did not increase; in fact, it went down just a tick from yesterday. This is principally because the model had already "priced in" a lot of these sorts of results. It expected, for instance, that when CNN again polled a state like Florida, it was going to show a very nice result for Obama, since CNN had been relatively favorable to Obama in Florida before. Also, when there is such a high volume of data to process, the regression models that underlie the model can be significantly recalibrated, which can shift things by a point or so here and there.
Let's not get bogged down in the technicalities, however. Certainly, the McCain campaign is now on the defensive, and needs to knock a couple of points off Obama's numbers across the board before it starts to scratch together some sort of winning electoral map. Tonight's debate could be a step in the right direction -- or, if things go badly for Sarah Palin, a near-fatal blow.
10.02.2008
Today's Polls, 10/2
by Nate Silver @ 6:25 PM
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FIRST !
nice post Nate
Palin’s hand will be bandaged, following a spill while running at McCain’s Arizona ranch.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/10/bandaged.html
More good numbers for Jamacain! My local daily newspaper has been conducting a poll asking whether the outcome of tonight's debate will influence which candidate respondents would vote for...
Only 8.1% said yes.
So Palin has been vindicated as surely a genius move on Johnny's part.
No?
Well then, I think this demonstrates you have to differentiate between types of debates. You've got your serious debates, and then you've got your Popcorn debates; y'know, purely for entertainment value.
What would the election look like if McCain selected Mitt Romney instead of Sarah Palin? I'll explore it tonight at Heartless and Brainless. I bet Obama would still win but he wouldn't have the 300+ EV mandate.
I think Palin's hand got burned by her new debate tutor, Tyler Durden.
My head is having trouble getting adjusted to the idea that Obama has a 70% chance of winning in FL, where I live. It just ... it just makes me smile.
sdf-
You and Dick Cheney create your own reality. See how that worked for Dick?
will we have the honor of being live-blogged here tonight?
yes, there will be a liveblog -- if the blogger.com gremlins don't start acting up again.
Oh man.... this is too amazing not too share
http://www.cbsundstrom.com/fuckyoujohnmccain.jpg
@downtownhotel
Except that Rasmussen released a poll today that said something like 78% people polled think that tonight's debate is "somewhat important" or "very important" in deciding who they will vote for.
sdf-
You and Dick Cheney create your own reality. See how that worked for Dick?
@ fred,
that seemed as quite a gratuitous comment.
he is commenting on the current % win projected, you might not like it but it's obviously a possibility and i am sure it makes a lot of people smile.
then you go incoherent citing cheney (who I am sure is not smiling at the data).
besides, things worked out pretty good for dick. for the rest of us... not so much
Isn't that R2K number from the Daily Kos tracking poll? Shouldn't the sample size read "1100/3"?
What's the problem? Why are there only eleven comments so far?
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YYYYEAAAAAAAGGGHHHHHH!!!!!
How can anyone take this raving partisan Dean seriously??
ROFL!!
The McCain's campaign to abandon MI will hurt US House Republican Incumbents in MI-7(Walberg-R) and MI-9(Knollenberg-R).
Obama has 252ev
Minus NH 248 ev
Keeps MI,MN,OR,PA,WA,and WI.
Picks up IA,NM,and CO 269ev.
Obama wins the White House
IN,VA (7pm)
NC,OH (7:30pm)
FL,MO,NH(8pm)
NV (10pm)
Does your model take into account the Bradley effect?
While the McCain camp says that the Obama camp is now on the defensive and the M/P will hold the traditional red states, the results today show McCain ahead in only 9 polls - and only three are double digits. Wonder how many of these McCain leads are within the MOE?
The Trends are boxing in the Republican strategy - will McCain be in the end reduced to a mime act?
Adam,
You're weeks late in the site conversation about the "Bradley effect"; look in the archives for Nate's analysis debunking any current claim of a Bradley effect.
Yawn. Palin offered nothing but some nicely memorized stump. Biden should have linked her to Cheney and Bush more esp when she began to talk about expanding the role of the VP. Jesus. Who are these people?
Nate,
Why have you omitted the Ciruli CO poll that shows Obama only +1?
Granted, it was conducted 9/19-23 and had only 501 LV. Are you cherry picking? (Just kidding, but it is analogous to your accusation against RCP.)
Why does your F&M PA poll have Obama +5 instead of +7? You neglected to mention it and the ASU one in your table, too.
@alyssa
That article posted (http://www.cbsundstrom.com/fuckyoujohnmccain.jpg) is parody, for anyone who's curious.
"New Column" is a feature by Seattle's alt-weekly, The Stranger.
But if you enjoyed that, you might also enjoy Darkies Need Jailin, by Sarah Palin
1. My grandfather attend games in 1935 and 1945. I remember at the impressionable age of 7 where I was in 1969 when the Cubs were mathematically eliminated. Going to get a haircut at Rocco's. I was working for the DNC in 1984 and skipped out to lunch with the Hispanic outreach guy. I had to explain in 2003 to my nephews and nieces that this was part of being a Cub fan. This year my son is 8. He wore the Div. Champ. shirt he got from his uncle to school. I don't want to have to explain to him, the tradition. Enough character building!!
2. Consider Decideds as McCain + Obama. Why do only these polls have meaninfully too few or too many Decideds? Is it because the States are locked up, because they are really in play, because of something screwy about their methodology or how they're handling 3rd parties or doing their weighting if they weight?
Explanation is required!
FL Suffolk
Too Few Decideds
NC Rasmussen
Too Many Decideds
NM SurveyUSA
Too Many Decideds
TN Rasmussen
Too Many Decideds
US Diageo/Hotline
Too Few Decideds
US Economist/YouGov
Too Few Decideds
How does your model actually work. Does order matter?
Does VA push NC and FL, or does NC and FL push VA?
Does IN push MI and OH, or does OH and MI push IN?
In other words if the NC results are dubious, does that mean VA is really closer than it seems. Or is the persistance of VA lead for O make NC and FL seems closer than they really are?
testing?
thanks for including national polls in your daily list. would you be willing to also include in the list the weighted average of their margins?
I cannot contain my glee for the Indiana numbers. Look what a little bit of attention/money does to the historically disenfranchised Hoosier Democrat and Independent!! Indiana goes blue, Obama wins BIG!
Let's see if Blogger is working yet...
Okay.
Rasmussen still can't get their heads out of the sand in MT. It was announced that Ron Paul would be on the MT ballot weeks ago, yet their polls still don't show it (third time now). MT numbers are skewed - McCain is doing a lot worse in MT than indicated in the polls due to Paul's huge support and popularity in the state.
Once polls taking the Ron Paul effect into account in MT, I predict the numbers will be more like the MT July numbers - not the current ones.
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