John McCain has once again improved his position in the national tracking polls, having gained ground in 4 of the 5 6 trackers that published today (Rasmussen and IBD/TIPP were the exceptions).** Our model now perceives that Obama has come somewhat off his peak numbers, which were realized perhaps 5-7 days ago.
At the same time, McCain's improved position in the trackers is a little bit difficult to reconcile with certain other pieces of evidence. In the Research 2000 tracking poll, for instance, while McCain has gained 5 points worth of ground in 48 hours in the topline numbers, the candidates' approval ratings over that period are completely unmoved. In the Gallup tracker, while McCain has gained ground among likely voters since the debate, he has lost ground among registered voters. Lastly, every poll conducted on the debate itself suggested that Obama won the event.
What I think we may be seeing are some improvements in Republican enthusiasm. Prior to the debate, McCain was having a very rough go of things in the media, as the only stories seemed to be the ineffectiveness of his attacks on Bill Ayers, and the nonresponsiveness of his campaign to the economy. In the polls that measured these things, there was evidence that enthusaism was very low among McCain supporters. A conservative voter, having little real message to latch on to, and seeing McCain far behind in the polls, might have been telling pollsters that he wasn't sure if he was going to bother to vote, and therefore might have been screened out by likely voter models, which all of the tracking polls are now using.
Between "Joe the Plumber", "spread the wealth", "I'm not George Bush", etc., however, McCain at least now seems to have a few somewhat more constructive talking points (in that sense, the fact that the Ayers attacks went over like a lead balloon at the debate might have done him a favor). So some of those crestfallen conservatives might have moved back into the likely voter universe.
What I don't know that McCain is doing, on the other hand, is actually persuading very many voters, and particularly not independents or registered Democrats. If that is the case, than McCain is likely to run into something of a wall very soon here, brought about the Republicans' substantial disadvantage in partisan identification. People sometimes misunderstand the nature of "momentum" in presidential campaigns. If McCain was down 8 points yesterday, and is down 6 points today, that does not mean that he is likely to be 4 points down tomorrow. On the contrary, polling in the general election seems essentially to be a random walk, with the minor stipulation that the polling has had some tendency to tighten slightly during the stretch run (as our model accounts for). That is, the polls are essentially as likely to move back toward Obama tomorrow as they are to continue to move toward McCain.
McCain's other problem is that the polls in battleground states have not really tightened at all. Obama gets good numbers today, for instance, in North Carolina, Wisconsin, and Florida. Obama presently has something like a 3:1 advantage in advertising, and most of that advertising is concentrated in battleground states. As such, this may serve as a hedge against any improvements that McCain is able to make elsewhere in the country.
** EDIT: I had originally missed the IBD/TIPP poll, which apparently does publish on weekends, and shows Obama gaining ground. It is not accounted for in today's simulation run.
10.18.2008
Today's Polls, 10/18
by Nate Silver @ 3:02 PM...see also alaska, momentum, north carolina, oregon, today's polls, wisconsin
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I am not Pro-America according to the McCain Campaign. :(
The new IBD/TIPP poll has Obama ahead by 7.3 points.
Is it possible we're seeing a further reddening of the red states? Joe The Plumber plays very well in Oklahoma, but not Florida.
If McCain's tightening is coming primarily from his base, then he's not going to move the electoral college much.
john said...
The new IBD/TIPP poll has Obama ahead by 7.3 points.
really ??
Miami Herald and Denver Post endorse Obama
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Yeah, really.
http://www.tipponline.com/
This was "the most accurate pollster" according to the wingnuts a few days ago.
What's happening in Indiana?
We can't let up. Any gain for McCain is poison to the nation. We need to crush the right and the right's spirits to establish a democratic majority for the next generation.
Isn't this pretty much what is expected? I mean, doesn't SkyNet/Hactar/The Model predict tightening of the polls as we get closer to Election Day? Even with the national polls tightening, McCain's chances don't seem to be getting a whole lot better up there in the wonderful little pie chart.
Not to mention, if the "problem" is simply that Obama's "only" ahead by about 5 points, I can live with that. Kerry + IA/CO + NM/VA/FL/OH/NC/NV still seems pretty solid, right?
I have a question. I've been following this site with great interest in the last several weeks, and have learned a lot about poll (not my strong suit). I have two questions: 1. At the beginning of the Supertracker graph, there is a wide scatter of blue dots. At the most recent end of the graph the dots are practically in a a straight line. Is this significant? 2. Can someone tell me the significance of the colors on the "Tipping Point States" and "Return on Investment Index" graphs? Thanks for all the hard work; I really enjoy your "On the Road" articles and your debate blogging.
I think your observation about the gain for McCain coming from red states is very likely correct as battleground states such as MO and ND are seemingly moving towards Obama and the rest are holding their margins, then these minor changes in tracking polls which really are fairly irrelevant, could be either noise, bad internals, or movement in red states. and please people remember the important numbers are electoral votes, not poll percentages.
I think Obama supporters are worried about momentum, rather than just absolute numbers.
@moltobentrovato: No new numbers from Indiana in a while, so the model predicts movement based on the national trend. A 2-point shift in IN takes it from white to pink on the map.
(Nate, correct me if I'm wrong here.)
JOhn I bet you the most accurate pollster is going to be Gallup or the Dkos one!
I've got to go with that Pennsylvania couple and throw my support behind the n****r. After all, the n****r is by far the better candidate. Gives whole new meaning to "my n****r".
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F**K!!!!
This is making me nervous!
At least my Jack Daniels stock is going up ;-)
Another $50 for Obama, no let up people
So it looks like the Obama momentum that started in mid-September has paused. So it looks like talk of 400 electoral votes will have to be put on pause.
On the other hand, since the beginning of October, McCain has polled ahead of Obama in North Carolina and Florida only once.
So, it looks like the race is about in the same situation.
Hmmm. That Hamilton Poll seems right in line with where Florida should be right now, but Our Campaigns says they have a 5.5 pt Dem bias.
While I doubt this poll is off by 5.5 pts, the fact that it is from a pollster with a significant Dem lean might mean the race is now somewhat closer than 4 points in FL.
At the beginning of the Supertracker graph, there is a wide scatter of blue dots. At the most recent end of the graph the dots are practically in a a straight line. Is this significant?
I've assumed the early polls were shoddy and undersampled and frankly worthless. As it becomes a more serious question, the quality of the polls improved.
NEW YORK The Obama-Biden ticket maintains its strong lead in the race for newspaper endorsements, picking up 24 more papers in the past day
Lead is now 64-18
The Columbian in Washington was an unexpected win for Obama, since the newspaper endorsed President Bush in the 2004 election. The Salt Lake Tribune and the Las Cruces (N.M.) Sun-News also had backed Bush in 2004 but now switched to the Democrat. Obama has now picked up at least 11 "flip-flops" of this type, McCain none.
whilden said...
Another $50 for Obama, no let up people
Got it, another $50 from us too.
Nate, as a Democrat and an Obama volunteer, I don't need my bad news spun.
McCain is gaining some ground as his perfect storm of bad publicity wears off.
I can handle that.
I don't need the "this momentum isn't likely to continue" spin.
I come here for the numbers, which are objective (God, I hope).
It'd be more reassuring if your commentary stuck to those numbers: the thing you do better than anyone else.
"Obama presently has something like a 3:1 advantage in advertising, and most of that advertising is concentrated in battleground states. As such, this may serve as a hedge against any improvements that McCain is able to make elsewhere in the country."
Is it reasonable to assume that if Obama were being outspent as badly as McCain is, that Democrats would be complaining now that the financial system is rigged to favor Republicans and therefore we would need to reform campaign finance for that reason?
Good news from the west, the midwest, and the south in today's polls.
We need to keep the faith and keep on working hard. Good work all.
I second pomp. Get out there. The future you save is your's and your children's.
Had a thought about paddy paying out in advance of the election ... if paid out in US$ ...
US$ prob worth less now, after the election will prob be worth more - so they save a lot of $ by paying up now!
Some of you expressed the desire to move overseas in McCain gets elected.
Think twice before moving to Europe.
The European continent, in particular France, Italy and Spain, are saturated with nightmarishly bureaucracy. The food, culture and the history is interesting, for a while, then one starts missing space,courtesy and common sense.
Of course an an American living abroad I'd love to have Obama as my president, but after living years in New Zealand and Australia, I'm having difficulties finding better places to raise my family.
After two years in France, we're moving back to Australia or New Zealand, even if Obama gets elected.
Looking at the 100,000 + who showed up in MO to hear Barack under the arch. It surely includes a bunch of folks from IL. Still, what a message to the Show Me state voters.
The KC crowd size should be revealing too. Also draws from two states, only the other one is RED.
I am so fried. I started the job of a lifetime on 8/25 - the start of the Dem convention here in Denver. It's been 80 +hours a week since. In the middle of the Presidential campaign of my lifetime. My parents were solid activists in the 50's and 60's (even the late 40's). The Civil Rights movement defined my childhood and has been a huge part of my 56 years years on planet earth.
I have the 4th off to be an election judge (poll worker) and the 5th off to begin recovery from the roller coaster of emotions. I'm thinking it might be time to try that mary jane stuff my generation seems to like so much :)
My one fear is that the whole Joe the Plumber thing connects with the kind of working class voters Hillary got in the primaries.
Blah Blah Blah... This is so much like a repeat of the Obama/Hillary primary. Get ready for 2 more weeks of "This is the McCain we've been waiting for!", "Where was this guy last month? He's a much better candidate now than before!", "Look at his fighting spirit!", "Why can't Obama close the deal?", etc., etc. The polls will tighten on this media pushed narrative to a couple of points by election day, and Obama will win the PV by the exact same 3-5 points that he's been winning by since June (exceptions for bounces driven by conventions, VP picks, and the wall street collapse and bailout bill). The election is still Obama = all Kerry + IA, NM, CO, VA
When did the earned income tax credit turn into socialism? Was this ever an issue before? Why didn't Bush do something about it? Why didn't McCain do anything about it? It's been there for like 12 years.
Rich - cupcake:
Obama's 3-1 lead in money is the RESULT of Campaign Finance Reform - carried out under Republicans.
Nice try, though.
@grandpa john: You just said "battleground states such as MO and ND." (My emphasis.)
I didn't laugh out loud at that sentence.
That's McCain's problem from here on out -- if states like ND and NC are plausibly in play on November 4, it's a very bad day for McCain.
Anything on how early voting is going in Illinois? I voted a straight Democratic ticket yesterday (I live in a Republican stronghold) and along with another voter asked how I could be certain my ballot was secure. I didn't get a credible answer. Anyone have any ideas on how that works?
@mlf,
The answers can be found on FAQ link at the top left of the website. I've cut and pasted for you here:
What do the individual, blue data points represent in the Super Tracker chart? They represent the inferred popular vote outcome based on all polling (state and national) conducted on that particular day, as determined by analyzing the degree of movement between previous iterations of that poll. This is not the same as simply averaging the polls, although the Super Tracker usually resembles the Pollster.com and RealClearPolitics.com national averages closely. While the individual data points can be interesting to look at, we advise against overinterpreting them – there is a lot of noise in any one particular day’s data. Instead, the red trendline curve represents our best estimate of the current state of the election. For further background on the Super Tracker chart, please see Step 2 above.
Tipping Point States and Return on Investment Index
What are Tipping Point States? A Tipping Point State is defined as a state that would alter the outcome of a close election if it were decided differently. For a thorough discussion, see here.
What is the Return on Investment Index? The ratio of a state’s Tipping Point percentage to the number of eligible voters in each state, calibrated such that an average state has a Return on Investment Index of 1.0. This is intended to represent the marginal return from spending one additional dollar (or other type of campaign resource) in that state. For further discussion, see here.
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We finally have a chance to put our nation's racist history behind us, or at least go a long way toward that end. Not only that, Obama is by far the best candidate we've had for president in my lifetime. (I'm 41).
But who's the racist? Hypocrites Hall of Infamy
How many weeks before the election does the consistent polling in Virginia and Colorado move them to 100%?
Because if it is a week or two before election day, and McCain hasn't even had an outlier in those state, it would seem the results for those states go to 100%, and that the election does as well.
I don't need the "this momentum isn't likely to continue" spin.
For a Dem and Obama volunteer, you make a fine concern troll.
Why does McCain's Win Percentage keep going up? Went from 5.9 to 6.4%... should be more like 0%. That "spread the wealth" comment is hurting.
@markymark: I confess that I share your worry.
@Ed M: indeed. This is what is so puzzling to me about Obama not really hitting McCain hard on taxation. I know that Obama's "cool" helps him, but he does need to call McCain out loudly on this crap. Most people don't care about ayers, but they do care about taxes. Obama needs to be revealing McCain's taxation plan for what it is: a wealth redistribution plan for the wealthy.
Rich said,
Is it reasonable to assume that if Obama were being outspent as badly as McCain is, that Democrats would be complaining now that the financial system is rigged...
That depends where the Republican was getting the money. If he'd gotten it mainly from small donors like Obama, I don't think Democrats would be arguing that we need to stop people from giving more than $200 or anything silly like that.
Obama's money is coming from base enthusiasm.
Dallas morning news endorses McCain
I'm liking that IBD poll now... Weird that it's moving the opposite direction of the other polls.
I am concerned about the robocalls. I'm hoping that the Obama campaign makes an ad about them so that everyone who gets a robocall knows that it's a disgusting tactic of the McCain campaign.
We need those robocalls to cause blowback.
America’s Favorite Socialist
That the favorables haven't moved as noted in the Article is not surprising even if Obama is slipping in the polls.
I think the people are coming to regard Obama as well-intended, but wrong-headed.
This is no time for growth stifling tax hikes.
Re-distribution of wealth was the original Third Rail of American politics.
McCain is the real tax cutter here: He is going to double the personal exemption and cut capital gains taxes. That is real tax relief, not a thinly disguised stimulus / welfare payment that will do nothing for long-term economic growth and will do everything to stoke the fires of inflation.
McCain is on his horse. Leading the charge.
Obama will be routed from the field!
even if McCain goes up to 10 he still won't win. it was going to tighten and it did and we are two weeks away. I am like a broken record but people seem to be thinking that unless Obama stays at 96% forever the election is lost. Stop the concern trolling and get to work.
Sorry for the rant. I am with bryen upthread. This will be won and now we have a chance at 60 in the senate.
Did anyone read the Dallas Morning News endorsement? It called McCain a "progressive conservative."
That just shows you how contradictory and nonsensical that campaign is.
ringkichard said...
Nate, as a Democrat and an Obama volunteer, I don't need my bad news spun.
McCain is gaining some ground as his perfect storm of bad publicity wears off.
I can handle that.
I don't need the "this momentum isn't likely to continue" spin.
I come here for the numbers, which are objective (God, I hope).
It'd be more reassuring if your commentary stuck to those numbers: the thing you do better than anyone else.
October 18, 2008 2:21 PM
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I'm not following you. Where is Nate's analysis done as spin? I reread it three times trying to find what you were referencing.
Thanks for the information. I knew the answer would be something easy and obvious that I was overlooking :)
Rich,
I agree with histocrat on where the money is coming from. There is an article out today that Obama will go over what Bush spent in '04 in a few days.
That was 4 years ago, he was a sitting president who automatically got the WH advantage of more daily press. Then there was the media bias that Boehlert covered so well in "Lapdogs".
I do think the Dems will get more serious about campaign finance reform if we have control of the 2 branches. I think the fundraising capacity of the Internet is going to change some of the plans that have been on the books. It should be one of the places American voters need to stay informed and involved with after the Inauguration.
I voted early today!
Obama/Biden for New Mexico!
The Gallup poll's registered voters results are now Obama +8 (50 to 42) which is actually a move in Obama's direction... One has to be suspicious of their "likely voter" screens.
i am worried. but not about joe the (not relly the) plumber or share the wealth.
im worried that so many repubs would rather vote for an old nut and his goofy sidekick rather than ANY demo. is ee a shift back to mccain
after the insane comments by bachmann, and the pro american parts of the country-IM REALLY WORRIED-worried that america is turning towards a dangerous future.
Ballots started arriving in WA yesterday, already filled out!
Obama clearly doesn't have a problem here, but the Governor's race is still awfuly tight.
I had originally missed the IBD/TIPP poll, which apparently does publish on weekends, and shows Obama gaining ground. It is not accounted for in today's simulation run.
You.. you...McCain biased cherry-picker, you!
Obama today got a bigger crown downtown than they got for the World Series or the St. Louis summer festival!
http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/political-fix/
@ allen
i voted early in nm too
OBAMA /Biden for NM
Socialism is what Bush just did.
Why do republicans want socialism for their rich donors and dog eat dog capitalism for the rest of us?
Regarding 100,000, its votes not crowds that count. Remember what Berlin did.
I get the impression there are a lot of people here who are deep into intrade and come here for inside information and to manipulate the market.
It may well be that they are some of the loudest and most shrill posters.
No big problems here. Race is firming around a certain point. I am concerned that media and others will try to talk up McCain just because it gives them something to talk about, but I think in the real world, people see through a lot of this "anti-American" talk and know it's the mark of desperate fools who know their chances of winning are down the drain.
If it gets down to a consistent 2-3 point national lead with McCain winning in some of these battleground states, then call me. in the meantime, I'll worry about something that's far more problematic- Wisconsin football. (UGH!)
The national trackers are making a serious mistake when they assume conventional a conventional turnout. The early voting numbers and the huge crowd sizes should be a huge warning sign that things are going to be REALLY different this time. And you don´t just lead by 6 points nationally when you´re ahead by double-digits in Michigan and Pennsylvania, when you lead in "the bellwether state" of Missouri, and Florida and Virginia and North Carolina, and when you´re tied in Ohio and ahead in every big state except from Texas.
Ginny-
Not many folks in southern IL, most of thopse folks were from St. Louis on the MO side.
According to today's Gallup:
Among registered voters, McCain gets 42% of the support (2796 voters), meaning he's got the vote of between 1160 and 1188 votes.
Among likely voters (using the "traditional" screen), he's got 47% of the support (2572 voters), meaning he's got between 1195 and 1221 votes.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/111229/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Maintains-Lead.aspx
There's a bug somewhere.
I this the Great Age of Racial Political Correctness few Media Outlets are going to be on the worng side of history.
More newspapers endorse Obama.
Bear shits in woods.
No film at 11.
Footage from a McCain/Palin rally on Sullivan's blog.
Bless his heart, Sullivan calls this the "fringe" of the GOP's base. He's obviously never lived in the South---I have, and the people in this video are positively mainstream for the Grand Old Party.
The slight downturn in the polls has me not so much concerned as much as disappointed. I guess there's a really strong, pro-American, competitive side of me that wants to crush the anti-American fuckers in the republican party so badly that they grab their pussified asses and run back to mommy.
McNugget is in my hometown right now. I want him out of there. I feel violated with his jingoistic, anti-tax stupidity sullying my neck of Route 1. I'm angry at McCarthyist proclamations about the real Virginia. I grew up in the "real Virginia." I know plenty of rednecks and I know plenty of jarheads. For the republicans to pull this patriotic shit just boils my blood.
I want Bush out. I want McCain out. I want to get this country back on track, to make it great once again. To win the respect of the rest of the world; to conquer terrorism by advocating justice; to demonstrate once and for all that race is a false category; to rein in the economy by wisely investing in research, development, and public infrastructure works; and to beat the Chinese, the Russians, the Saudis, and the rest of the world in the development of a new energy infrastructure.
So, c'mon, Obama, get this shit back on track. Bury this fucker. Bury the dickheads who have been raping Americans for the past eight years. Bury this stupid-ass neoliberal ideology that has been vomited out of the Chicago School -- your home institution -- and breathe some health into our country.
/rant.
Hey i was going to be one of those in KC but had other things come up. Onto other news McCain is having push polls in Missouri i heard he had ones in PA and other places but he has them here too got one today..
This is too funny - above the headline: McCain - Obama's policies socialist - is a picture of the St Louis huge crowd.
Yes, an average look would indicate it is Obama looking, but a glance and the headline might make one think it was for McCain.
Matters not - that picture will be on the front page of a LOT of Sunday papers.
For those discussing Paddy Power paying out early on Obama. PP does that on a lot of stuff. It is a PR mechanism when they have low volume bet on a position.
On newspaper endorsements - until recent years (when more and more papers have gone out of business), the GOP candidate nearly always got more and often most of the endorsements.
LBJ was one of the very few Dems to get more in 1964.
Kerry just slightly edged Bush in 2004.
So Obama looking like he might get 75% or more is indeed newsworthy and a major change from history, irrespective of what some denialists would like you to think.
Good catch Justin! Gallup is cooking the books in the traditional voter model - why am I NOT surprised?
"Regarding 100,000, its votes not crowds that count. Remember what Berlin did."
Sent Obama up 8 points overnight
Of Colin Powell
I see a theme developing on MSNBC – they keep talking about how a non-endorsement of Powell on MTP would be bad for Obama.
Are the Stalinists trying to shame the poor man into a more full-throated endorsement?
pygmy_owl,
you win Best Internet Blog Rant Award for Saturday October 18, 2008.
mark-
Then why did Paddy and every news org describe it as exceptional?
I love this election. I want it close on election day to tear the republicans heart out. I want to see the dejected faces of FOX news. Its going to be great.
McCain called giving tax breaks to the middle class "Welfare!" can you believe that. Giving a tax break to rich people is American and to the middle class is Welfare. WOW!
With Bachmann calling for investigations of "anti-Americans" in Congress and McCain describing Obama's progressive taxation policy as socialism, conservative Republicans have finally achieved their dream of a time warp to the 1950s. We don't know if we'll ever be able to see or contact them again, but my reasearch team is preparing to send back reverse time capsule with news about the Internet, the Civil Rights Movement, and the collapse of Communism. They're going to be totally surprised to find out. Maybe they'll be able to reach out to us... or our descendants in the distant future...
Meanwhile, back in the 21st century a hero has been called forth to save us from time-traveling demogogues. Find out more in next week's issue of SUPER PRESIDENT: THE ELECTION CHRONICLES.
If Powell's endorsement of either Obama or McCain is not full throated he should not make it. I will have even less respect for the man after his WMD debacle.
Whatever he does, he better be a man about it.
How about the 100,000 people at Obama's rally in St. Louis today, more than at the convention in Denver.
Amazing photo, gotta love the comments too: http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/18/100000-come-to-obama-mega-rally/
I think Pygmy_owl should be on Meet The Press...at least there would be no doubt on who Pygmy is endorsing...
Wow cincyr. Awesome photo. Thanks.
OBAMA 08!
As far as this Eurobrit can tell, the big picture is this:
The neocon project for a new American century is holed below the waterline.
The voodoo economic theories of Reagan and Thatcher have been exposed as fundamentally flawed.
The chickens are coming home to roost, and it's clearly time for someone with a progressive, left-of-centre agenda to institute a new New Deal.
Cometh the hour, cometh the man - and it certainly isn't John McCain.
But the coalition that is Republican party has three reasons to fear Obama.
The neocons fear the end of the grand Project for a New American century.
The neoliberal supporters of unfettered markets dread the advent of an Obama New Deal. All their efforts over the last thirty years have been concentrated on the dismantling of the socialist post-war settlement in Europe and the New Deal in the US.
The conservative Christian right are afraid that their attempt to impose authoritarian social policy on America will stall.
These people in their various ways are motivated by an implacable ideology that seeks to turn the US into a political monoculture.
And they will stop at nothing in the last couple of weeks to thwart Obama.
For this reason alone, whatever the polls say, it would be foolish to take anything for granted until the last vote is counted and the election is in the bag. It's clear that Obama and the team are aware of this.
However, the one invaluable thing that I have learned from this site is that the gearing between the popular vote and the Electoral College votes is very high. Obama only has to be 1% or 2% ahead at the end, to have a tidy lead in the Electoral College.
So as things stand, I'm moderately optimistic, but I'm taking nothing for granted, and the champagne is on ice until 5th November.
Pity I don't get to vote.
Foxnews story from Obama rally in St Louis...
ST LOUIS - Senator Claire McCaskill warmed up the estimated 100,000 on hand for Obama’s Show Me State mega rally, using the venue to hammer the GOP ticket.
“One campaign has been stumbling, erratic, all over the map - changed positions like Missouri changes the weather. The other campaign is slow, steady, thoughtful, constructive – the kind of leadership America needs in a crisis,” she said. “As America has taken the measure of these men, they have looked at their judgment from the campaign trail. One picked one of the strongest candidates for vice president he could have picked in the United States. Well, the other didn’t.”
McCaskill never said Sarah Palin’s name, but referred to the Alaska Governor again when she noted the GOPer’s description of “pro-America” North Carolina just days ago. “It doesn’t matter whether you live in a small town in Missouri or whether you’re right here in St. Louis - show America right now how we all are proud Americans,” the Missouri Senator said.
The crowd responded with chants of “U.S.A.”
McCaskill waited and added, “We have reached a new low in American politics when someone dares to say that one part of America is more pro America than another part of America
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and to that i say... God Bless America!!!!
@ginny in co, I'm two years older than you, and grew up with very conservative parents (so sounds like pretty opposite of your background).
I was just reflecting last night that it's great to be 58! I was 10 years old when JFK got elected. My parents were positive he was a weenie and would act in the best interest of the Vatican, not the USA. That is, until the Bay of Pigs.
For you folks that are 18 to 21 and voting for the first time, you have partly Bill Ayers (really the whole war protest movement) to thank for that. When I was 'coming of age' that age was 21, but the protests against the war in Viet Nam changed that - the idea being if you are old enough to be conscripted and give your life for your country it just makes sense that you have a say-so about government.
So, the first time I could vote was 1972, and I proudly voted for George McGovern and wore my "Don't Blame Me, I'm from Massachusetts" t-shirt until it just fell apart.
I've seen a President resign in shame. I take no pleasure in that, although as I mentioned, he didn't get my vote.
So, now, we are going to see something truly historic again. I'm really excited to have been through so much and to see where we are finally evolving!
Bread and Circuses
As to polls at this point, I think only the RV screen is reliable. Even that is weighted by party ID, I believe, so there is a certain variability built in.
You can read what you like into any poll, but you must respect 100,000 under the Arch in St. Louis.
Do you think they were serving Barbecue?
For the model name I suggest Blue And Red Forecaster (BARF), possibly short for Blue And Red Forecaster Or Largely Optimal Model, Error Weighted (BARFOLOMEW).
I believe that the pollsters have adjusted the sample to increase the Republican representation in the sample as to make it a horse race down to the wire. I find this problematic but the media and the pollsters want people to tune in and buy their advertisers products.
If they didn't increase the Republican representation, people would not tune in as much to the campaign and advertisers would lose revenue.
Take a look at the hunchback of John McCAIN T shirt at http://hunchback.democratz.org
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You can watch Countdown with Keith Olbermann at http://liberal.democratz.org
I can't stand Wolfie's CNN crap so I have no idea why I went to their website. But this picture I think is the best I've seen today of the 100K crowd under the Arch. The way it is framed with the Arch is beautiful. Wow.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/18/scenes-from-the-trail-100000-in-st-louis-for-obama/
mlf: "I have a question. At the beginning of the Supertracker graph, there is a wide scatter of blue dots. At the most recent end of the graph the dots are practically in a a straight line. Is this significant?"
The dots are averages of daily polls. At the start of the campaign there were few polls coming out every day, so the average was easily skewed by an oddity (or if there was only one poll, the average was that poll). Now we see multiple polls. The average of 5 polls is more likely to be closer to fact than the average of 2 polls, so we see the day-to-day variation being reduced.
obama wins the debate
gets endorsements from everyone under the sun
mccain gains ground?
what?
either these pollsa are a joke
or amerikkka is a joke
Brad, Justin.
Those Gallup figures will be a bug, or mistake. No way Gallup cooks the books & leaves the evidence in plain sight.
But good catch Justin.
I prefer to call the tracking software 'The Algorithm'.
I have moments of concern in this election, but then I see things like the pic of Obama in St Louis, and I remember we are actually watching something properly historic. And I have a great faith in the power of history. At the end of the day people want to be part of history and on November the 4th people will want to join in. (I know how that sounds but i believe it is true)
Niedda,
What do you do in Paris?
Just as I surmised yesterday Gallup has Barack up another point in the registered voters daily which is the one I have gone by and which it apparently goes by when referencing the poll. If Powell endorses him the momentum should continue.
My 84 year old white, Republican dad was upset that we couldn't go see Michelle Obama the other day here in the Burgh. He just loves her...thinks she's "a real American woman", and quite frankly, I think watching her on TV convinced him to vote for Obama.
BREAKING NEWS!
The McCain Campaign said that Obama will lose PA because the Philadelphia Phillies made the World Series and voters will focus more on baseball than politics.
Gallup also has more voters in the Traditional LV than the Expanded LV model. Does this do anything to explain the discrepancy? Did they reverse them?
I'm trying to figure my celebratory, or we lost, drink for election night.
Anyone know what Obama drinks?
Obama is running this just like he did the primairy. State by State. His focus is in the EC. Getting out the newly registered voters gives him a bunch of eastern states and the rest of the country falls in line when they start seeing the eastern landslide.
@Adrian re: Super Tracker blue dots - those are actually the popular vote win measurements for that day. From Nate's FAQ link at the top left of the website. I've cut and pasted for you here:
What do the individual, blue data points represent in the Super Tracker chart? They represent the inferred popular vote outcome based on all polling (state and national) conducted on that particular day, as determined by analyzing the degree of movement between previous iterations of that poll. This is not the same as simply averaging the polls, although the Super Tracker usually resembles the Pollster.com and RealClearPolitics.com national averages closely. While the individual data points can be interesting to look at, we advise against overinterpreting them – there is a lot of noise in any one particular day’s data. Instead, the red trendline curve represents our best estimate of the current state of the election. For further background on the Super Tracker chart, please see Step 2 above.
I cannot wait to early vote for Obama on Monday. Here in Tallahassee, Florida, there's a march from the center of FSU's campus to the early voting center Monday afternoon.
The polls will tighten some, so we have to keep up the intensity every day till Nov 4th!
Ya, all those Flyer fans booing Palin were so into hockey they couldn't boo her. LOL!
Did McCain really say that?
Other than my bemusement that Nate weighted the AP=Yahoo poll he so excoriated more highly than the Gallup poll, another thoughtful and well-presented post by the Lebron James of polling sites. (Yeah, I know Nate is a baseball freak, but hoops is the true democratic sport).
"Josh said...
The Gallup poll's registered voters results are now Obama +8 (50 to 42) which is actually a move in Obama's direction... One has to be suspicious of their "likely voter" screens.
October 18, 2008 2:36 PM"
I saw this, too, Josh. What with the massive gap in enthusiasm it seems like an odd result on the part of Gallup. I never thought Obama averaging plus 9 was going to last, so plus 6 seems pretty credible. Good to see PK rearing his woolly head again to proclaim gloom and doom for Obama. Bets, anyone?
Here's a quiz for you all:
Who controls the house of reps?
Who is the secretary of state?
Who is the prime minister of Britain? (NO GOOGLE-CHEATERS)
Get all three right? Then you are one of only 18% of Americans who did.
New Yorker readers got 71, 71 and 59 percent right
National Enquirer readers: 44, 32 and 22
My fave: only 44% of BBC viewers correctly identified the British Prime Minister! Ah, damn these elitist-fact-based questions.
Don't forget we are talking about polling numbers - not voting numbers. All the evidence says that bad as they are the truth is even worse for GOP.
I have a question. The blue dot on today's supertracker is at 3%. But all the daily tracking numbers are above that, and Nate said the state numbers were really good.
Does this make any sense?
Another amazing thing about the grassroots power in this election.
Last night on Hardball Michele Bachmann (R MN-06) actually said that liberal members of congress should be investigated for "un-American" activities.
In less than 24 hours since the broadcast, Elwyn Tinklenberg, her Democratic challenger, has received over $150,000 of donations on ActBlue.com! Including $25 from this Massachusetts voter.
Go Blue!
LOL..and Obama being the intro to possible game # 6 on FOX with his 30 minute ad is golden in Philadelphia and possibly Tampa!!
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/18/greene-could-mike-ditka-have-altered-us-history/
Could Mike Ditkahave changed history? He sounds off about Barack Obama.
Those numbers in FL spell it all out. McCain has not led in FL polling in October, except for SUSA.
Out of nine polls in October (excluding Zogby), Obama leads in eight.
There is no practical way that McCain can win 270 without FL. His dreams of peeling off MN, WI, and PA have been dashed by the cruel reality of double-digits.
My calculations show NC alone can put Obama over 270, but I include ME, NH, and PA as a "given" at this point.
I'm trying to figure my celebratory, or we lost, drink for election night.
Anyone know what Obama drinks?
Honest Tea and PBR off the top of my head.
Long Island Honest Tea?
Honestini?
He was drinking Yuengling when he was in PA, to.
I am sorry.
And Chrish60, this NC voter gave Mr. Twinklenberg $25 this morning after seeing Hardball. Ha!
The McCain Campaign said that Obama will lose PA because the Philadelphia Phillies made the World Series and voters will focus more on baseball than politics.
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If they said this then no wonder why they're losing. I can see it now before game 6 of the world series Tampa-vs Phillies representing two cities from the battleground states and listening to Obama for 30 minutes to them to go out and vote in 4 days or take advantage of early voting.
Hehe, I hope he also drinks Blue State Coffee, when he needs a pick-me-up!
@tony, Wall Street capital is backing Obama over McCain. My guess is that they view Obama as a "kinder gentler" face of capitalism so that the exploitation can continue unabated. These guys in power know the Repubs ran their course.
McCain truly is coming off as insanity personified. Or dementia personified. Those in power don't even want to see him win.
The #1 reason for presidential debates is to assure capital that you are on their side. Obama has already been vetted through AIPAC (wouldn't have come this far if he hadn't), and has pledged to continue military spending in arenas outside of Iraq (although I doubt Iraqis will view him as "antiwar" since he plans on keeping ~50,000 troops stationed there, plus up to 100,000 Blackwater thugs). He wants to move the bombing to Afghanistan and Pakistan and has called for increases in certain segments of military spending.
Obama's also a neoliberal, which of course includes privatizing public services and public enterprises, deregulating the mobility of capital and labor, eliminating protectionism, and reducing public social protection.
I'm of 2 minds about Obama. On the one hand, since we are stuck with this abysmal 2-party system, he's the best we've got. What impresses me about him is his powerhouse intellectual underpinnings: He has experience in the model of Marxist ideology through Alinsky, and he has hands-on experience dealing with the Daley machine, so he knows how to power through an agenda or a process.
In a mainstream candidate, you couldn't ask for more than these 2. It bodes well for those of us on the left hoping for something New-Dealish.
But Obama already threw the left overboard. He knows he didn't need his base to win.
That's why those thinking about a "New Deal" are a little nervous.
No question conservative economics and foreign policy are now shit on a stick. It remains to be seen how Obama deals with all of it, especially since his hands will be tied financially. In pulling for the bailout, he essentially defunded his own presidency.
What scares the Repubs the most is what dirt can be dug up if Obama comes to power. Is it a coincidence that Cheney was hospitalized for chest pain the evening after the debates? These creeps know what could be at stake if an Obama administration starts getting a pulse from the American public on investigations into all of the abuses. And there's no doubt in my mind that if the desire were there, Obama would set his Attorney General loose.
But economically? Militarily? Capital and Wall Street are ready for Obama. He's assured them he's the softer face of plundering. :(
Other than my bemusement that Nate weighted the AP=Yahoo poll he so excoriated more highly than the Gallup poll, another thoughtful and well-presented post by the Lebron James of polling sites.
It was highly-rated because of its sample size.
I don't understand why Obama's camp is not selecting a new direction. They need to be more succinct and on full throttle, hammering McCain with "new" set of slogans and mantras. McCain has gleefully embraced his new suit by associating Obama's plan to Socialism although entirely misguided. Obama needs to get his sh*t together as soon as possible. You don't want to wake up in the last hour and realize something needs to be done. You can't get a good grade by the last minute cramming for exam.
Find a "Joe the Plumber" meme and corner John McCain with it. If they call your plan socialistic, remind everyone that the nature of "progressive" tax laws in the US, which has been the norm for decades, is a form of welfare. Spread of wealth by taxing Joe? A small business or large, irregardless, look at the future market. If there is no "demand," companies won't produce base on a gloomy future forecast and hence they won't create jobs. The consumer level has been spending for the last several years and now with no money in saving or lack of ability to borrow, they won't spend. More reason for the business owner not to hire additional folks just to produce an unwanted service. So, at this period of down term where consumers are spent, funneling money to that channel will boost the consumption level and hence trickles the job creation from bottom up. However, the plan should be short term (not decade long of course). Once they have the consumers going, they should pull back on tax increase for businesses, allowing them to produce more to meet the demands and create more positions.
Anytime McCain or Palin talk about Ayers, pound them with massive Keating investigation. If they want to play dirty, let them have it: McCain is an adulterer. If Obama is terrorist because someone he was unwillingly resided on the same board room who had done something unlawful 40 years ago, then McCain's adulterer past of 40 years ago also should be re-examined. Obama didn't ask for this; McCain did. They question your patriotism, bring up the association of Palin and her husband with AIP. Label them the new Civil War provocateur. No mercy or they'll drown you.
On the Gallup screens: Looking again I'm sure they flipped the numbers between the traditional and expanded screens. The traditional screen should have fewer interviews.
Still, there's a serious problem.
Registered voters:
Obama 50% (1384-1412)
McCain 42% (1160-1188)
"Expanded" screen (assuming it's actually 2572 voters, not 2263)
Obama 50% (1273-1299)
McCain 46% (1170-1196)
This means that at the most, TEN McCain voters were excluded as not likely to vote, while between 85 and 139 Obama voters were excluded. I'm not one to accuse people of cooking the books, but that's incredibly suspicious.
Then again, obviously they're not checking their numbers, so maybe they just made more transcription errors. Either way, it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in their results.
If Obama wins? ONLY THE BUBBLY!!!
If he loses? I won't feel like drinking. Well maybe 5 shots of tequila to start to numb the pain.
"Anyone know what Obama drinks?"
Horse semen?
matt jh--remember that most of the trackers are three-day rolling averages. I believe Nate's pulling out the single day results from them.
There are so many polls but few tell me the detailed questions that I'd like to know. I imagine the campaigns internals go into a lot more depth.
Here is one question I'm really curious about. McCain is obsessed with not-so-small small businesses that make over $250k a year. "Joe the Plumber" is only an example of this.
The assumption seems to be that if you are making 25-30k a year and working for a company that has 50 employees, you will feel a great deal of sympathy for your boss's taxes going up. You'll recognize that Obama's plan might lower your taxes but you'll feel bad about your boss.
This doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. It seems to me that there are far more small business employees than there are small business owners. I don't think they all love their bosses and I'm nearly positive they are more concerned with their own finances than their bosses.
Still McCain seems to be putting all his chips on this strategy. He must be seeing something I'm not. Has anybody seen any polling that would indicate why he expects this to be successful?
PeteKent:
Get your troll ass outta here. I thought you learned your lesson after all your posts were deleted last night.
You're free to show up here the morning after election day after Obama gives JMAC a nice spankin'
petekent-
That Obama drink answer is repulsive even considering your low standard.
". If they want to play dirty, let them have it: McCain is an adulterer. "
Aria- The reason Obama doesn't do it is because he wants to win this thing on his own terms. He has said he wants a new kind of politics; thats why he doesn't get into the mud with McCain. Its going to cost Obama some votes, lets just hope it won't cost him the election.
No question conservative economics and foreign policy are now shit on a stick. It remains to be seen how Obama deals with all of it, especially since his hands will be tied financially. In pulling for the bailout, he essentially defunded his own presidency.
Doesn't matter. If someone like John McCain came into office and was serious about instituting some government austerity program and slashing funding to pay down the deficit the elites would tear him apart. When the shit hits the fan, those guys pat the Friedmanites on the head when they are helpful but when it comes to starting down a global recession it focuses the mind and everyone goes back to being Keynesians. They will spend what they have to spend to get us out of it and if it makes the lumpenprole, dirtbag, Rush Limbaugh listener scream, they don't care.
clark:
One thing driving me bonkers about the strategy (and I am a small business owner, by the way, who might see a slight tax increase under obama and has NO PROBLEM WITH IT) is that it seems like most folks (Sam the not plumber included) think that if their company grosses 250k then their taxes will go up. As opposed to the truth, which is that if you gross 250k, and pay an employee or two, and rent, and buy supplies, then YOU DON'T MAKE 250k AND YOUR TAXES WILL GO DOWN UNDER OBAMA. But McCain is more than happy to let people stay mired in ignorance.
Secondly - this thing he's doing today - stating that Obama will give tax credits to people who pay no income tax CONVENIENTLY forgets that those same people probably DO pay any number of other taxes. FICA / Property / Etc. So it's not a fucking handout. He's just using semantics to confuse people. Argh.
Well, at least he's going to lose.
Arno said...
Why does McCain's Win Percentage keep going up? Went from 5.9 to 6.4%... should be more like 0%. That "spread the wealth" comment is hurting.
My thoughts exactly; the S word must be playing really well.... :-(
Almost every election, the one with the lead gets dragged almost to a tie by the end, but the one with the lead now wins. The only exception to that is Reagan...and McCain is hardly in Reagan's position right now.
We're still in a divided electorate, this was the trend in 2000 and 2004. Big lead about a month out...does a nose dive to almost a tie. But Bush's lead both times held to a narrow victory. I think if either NC or VA get called for Obama on Nov. 4, it's over. Over.
No one thought Obama was going to win this race by 8-10 points. 5-7 is where he'll finish. The racists and gods/gays/guns voters ensure a ceiling of 50-53 for Obama.
Be happy that even in this mid single digit polls, Obama is still ABOVE 50%. Very good sign.
Obama will dominate the news cycle on Monday once his 100 million+ september fundraising month hits the airwaves.
As a former long time resident of Minnesota (Cottage Grove - 1960 - 1972), and a 1972 graduate of the University of Minnesota, with family that still lives there, I strongly urge you to do all you can to get rid of Michele "Josephine McCarthy" Bachmann.
I saw her Friday, October 17, 2008, interview on Hardball on MSNBC. The woman is an odious and disgusting individual who should not be allowed anywhere near the U.S. Congress.
As a result, I contributed $50 to Mr. Tinklenberg. Please do the same.
Please make me proud to be a Minnesotan.
By the way, I also contributed $100 to Obama.
aunt karen - I am also 58 and voted for McGovern my first time. I even had to vote absentee from a North Carolina courthouse. However, I was glad to see Tricky Dick resign.
My take. The race will tighten. But a 52-48 Obama victory is still a potential landslide.
I want a VA tracking poll. The electoral college is, literally, over for McCain if Obama pulls it out there.
Yeah, I think it was Bachmann's inane, but hate-tinged, vitriol that set me off.
As for Obama's new narrative: I think he needs to do several acts of clarification... and if any bloggers are reading this, I'd appreciate help in communicating this to the Obama campaign.
1) He needs to clarify that only taxable income will be taxed and not revenues. Honestly, I was speaking with an independent business owner last night who thought this was incredibly unclear, but was relieved that the $250K cap is only on income, not on revenue.
2) He needs to make clear that the tax system is not just bracketed, but that it is stepped. It is not just the case that no one earning less than $250K will have their taxes raised, and that many will have their taxes lowered, that it is only money over $250K -- a new bracket -- that will be taxed. This is a somewhat complex point, so i'm not sure how to make it, but perhaps he can do some sort of cartooney, Ross Perot style thing in that 30 minute block of time he's bought.
3) He needs to clarify in his speeches, and once and for all, exactly how these economic troubles are the result of deregulation and shadow economies. There's a strong, strong case to make here. The problem now is that he's in an echo chamber; and the right wing is pushing this _utter_ garbage about the economic problem emerging from bureaucratic defense of fannie and freddie. That's completely stupid, and Obama needs maybe not to address it directly, but to offer a compelling counter-narrative. His people should look to the work of Krugman, DeLong, and Ritholz for cues on how to play this.
I'm not plugged into the crew, but hopefully there are some Obama people reading these comments.
It is to be expected that closer to the election the base becomes more galvanized. That will tighten the polls. Quit worryin' y'all!
This notion that the Republicans are the "default" patriotic Party died in 2005 when they stated that anyone who criticised the Iraq occupation was guilty of treason.
You can't call more than half of the country traitors and then expect to use "patriotism" as a wedge issue.
This is just another one of the Republican's "magic words" (e.g. "liberal") that is supposed to suspend critical thinking skills and induce us to chant "U-S-A!" for hours on end.
It doesn't work, but the GOP has long failed to make any meaningful distinction between their base and the rest of the nation. So we continue, even in these last days of the election, to hear that those who favour Obama are not "real Americans" or are "anti-American".
Justin:
Good catch in the Gallup numbers. The only explanation, other than just a bug, is that the scaling to match party ID's resulted in these percentages.
The good news (for Obama supporters) is that it is likely that the rounding to full percentage points makes the numbers look worse for Obama than they actually are.
On taxes,
The latest Economist poll
Do you favor raising taxes on families with incomes over $200k per year?
59% Yes
31% No
Among Independents 55-35 Yes.
This poll didn't even include the words " so that taxes on people less than 200k a year can be decreased", which I suspect would have caused even higher numbers to say yes.
McCain seems to have picked an issue in which the vast majority of the American people disagree with him as a centerpiece of his campaign.
Why???
On this and several other issues (protecting the "health" of the mother in abortions, mocking the need for human rights protections in free trade agreements, etc), it appears like McCain thinks he is still running in the Republican primary. His ideas are popular with Republicans but really unpopular with the Dems and Indys he needs to win. I don't get it. Does anybody know what he is up to?
You guys fretting is amusing. Every time the polls go down you start panicking. Team Obama knows what they are doing. Its in the bag folks, relax.
Forcefield I think is right about the Obama tax plan. The small business owner I was talking to last night is a smart guy. He's got a good education and he follows this stuff, albeit somewhat casually. Obama NEEDS to clarify in response to McCain's prevarications about Obama's tax policy.
Tuesdays's Headlines bbout Obama raising $100 Million ignite sense of revulsion at Obama's unprecedented use of money to buy the election. Side bar notes new "Fight the Smears" refutation concerning Obama beverage preferences. Fact Check dot Org issues denial of rumors.
I too am a numbers junkie.
But don't worry so much about the polls.
The only number that counts is 270.
Even if McBush does tighten up the polls, does anyone here think that he will be able to capture all of the tossup states he needs to win?
I think that there is a better chance that he gets hit by a meteorite.
Aunt Karen and David...my first time to vote was also 1972-- McGovern and locally a new comer named Biden!!
MTP often tapes on Saturday. Any leaks about Powell?
If Obama exceeds 50% he'll be the only dem to have done since Jimmy Carter.
Hey Matt. I agree that this is probably a win for Obama, but I suspect that some people agree with me that this shouldn't just be a win, it should be a shut out. Obama should _clobber_ these people. That's what I want to see.
Yup, I heard that Powell did take a leak right after MTP.
Real Joe says:
"Dallas morning news endorses McCain"
Really? That can't be so. A Texas paper endorsing a republican? Woe is us.
Were you there to catch the leak, Mc9cain?
Obama has proven an unparalleled willingness to let news cycles erode naturally.
Not sure if that's a good thing...but at this point he has enough votes to win, he's just got to turn them out. Nobody intending to vote for Obama is still listening to McCain at this point.
Wait until people hear about how much Obama raised last month. This shows leadership, organization and the ability to inspire people. Americans like exceptionalism, and Obama breaking records inspires Americans. This guy is the best. He'll gain support on that alone.
At 52% Obama should get a commanding EV landslide. 55% could take him to 400.
He may be the most popular socialist to run for President in American history.
Work your butts off for the next 16 days. It's not over 'till it's over!
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@markymark: I confess that I share your worry.
@Ed M: indeed. This is what is so puzzling to me about Obama not really hitting McCain hard on taxation. I know that Obama's "cool" helps him, but he does need to call McCain out loudly on this crap.
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Why doesn't Obama just clearly state that over spending EQUALS taxation. You pay for it in falling currency, falling economy and more expensive Government (more of every dollar goes to debt service, less to Military, health research etc).
Obama can state this. Say: "So on net, I will 'tax' less than Bush while giving the middleclass real relief"
End of story.
Hey petey, maybe it's because you've had your head up the collective GOOper ASS for the last 20 months, but if you managed to take it out for a second you'll notice that no one gives a shit about your bullshit "obama buying the election claim"
Kind of like you were wrong when you predicted a "fundamental shift"
Kind of like when you were wrong that Joe the plumber would "take down obama"
Kind of like when you said Palin would put Michigan, Maine, Wisconsin into play.
Anyone notice a pattern? Pete is ALWAYS wrong. He is never make a single accurate prediction.
Meanwhile Obama's 100 million + the huge sum he's raising this month will allow him to bury McCain in ads. It won't even be close.
And studies have shown that the candidate with the most money almost always wins. Whether this is a chicken or the egg thing is unknown.
Remember folks, before hiding PeteKent's comments (who is such a troll that he was responsible for 80 / 240 comments on one article last night - all of which were deleted), remember that he has NEVER BEEN RIGHT ABOUT ANYTHING EVER
We Obama supporters just have to keep on working hard. I'm volunteering to go door to door tomorrow.
In a perfect world there would be no GOP vote suppression - but we can't count on that. So I believe we should aim for not only winning - but for blowing these scumbuckets out.
TOP STORIES.
I'd like to know what you all think: Let's say Virginia and Florida fall early, as in the difference is so large that they are called within a half hour of polls closing. Do you think this will hurt Dem or Repub turnout more in, say, Colorado and Nevada? Just curious to hear what your opinion is. I could see either side being affected, Dems because of complacency and Repubs because of giving up.
If Obama exceeds 50% he'll be the only dem to have done since Jimmy Carter.
I hear this stat all the time.
How about this one:
No Republican has gotten 51% of the vote in the last 20 years.
Its a closely divided country and its likely to remain one for at least a little while.
Historically, the Republicans have had a small advantage, but it looks like demographics changes are leading to a small Dem advantage now.
Petekent-
Yup, Obama is more popular and has raised more money from the people, when you buy an election it implies you got the money from the repub backdoor, lying corporate funding. Where is that funding this year?
FYI, it looks like our friend Joe the Plumber is mounting a campaign for President.
http://joetheplumber2008.blogspot.com/
Pretty funny, IMO.
Pete:
Who was responsible for the 700 billion dollar bailout/nationalization?
That's right.
The REPUBLICAN president, George Bush, is the socialist
"You guys fretting is amusing. Every time the polls go down you start panicking. Team Obama knows what they are doing. Its in the bag folks, relax."
Funny thing is the polls aren't even going down. They're mixed. The "Nations Most Accurate Pollster" (as republican trolls told us 5 days ago) have Obama gaining 5.1 points over the last 6 days. Gallup has to concoct some "likely voter" scenario that throws out people who respond to them that they are planning to vote, just in order to get McCain somewhat close.
So basically just some red states getting redder. DAMMIT, I had such high hopes for Oklahoma. :(
Do you think this will hurt Dem or Repub turnout more in, say, Colorado and Nevada? Just curious to hear what your opinion is. I could see either side being affected, Dems because of complacency and Repubs because of giving up.
Both but Republicans more.
Its more fun to vote for the winner than the loser. Its a celebration to vote when you've already won. Its depressing when you've already lost.
Also, Dems have more enthusiasm in general.
At this point, Obama has been willing to go into states that his campaign feels they can flip. So, can anyone tell me why they are going into KENTUCKY?!?!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14624.html
Also, I think a lot of the people that are voting for Obama want to vote for him regardless. There's a real excitement to go in the booth and cast a vote.
Money and Grassroots folks. I GURANTEE Obama wins by at least 5 points and if anyone wants to wager this just say so.
First of all, newspaper endorsements don't matter except perhaps in a negative way for the Washington Post and New York Times.
The only endorsements that do matter are Drudge for McCain side and Dkos for the dems.
As far as far as DKOs goes, it doesn't have a mind apart from the DNC and Obama campaign. Both DKOS and Obama are from the wingnut side of the Dem party. The McCain campaign will now be talking about the New Democratic party. Not you fathers democartic party, but a scary left-wing socialist party. The anti-Americanism of the New Dem party is quite striking.
"At this point, Obama has been willing to go into states that his campaign feels they can flip. So, can anyone tell me why they are going into KENTUCKY?!?!"
Down ticket races? Maybe they know something the rest of us don't. Either way, it's not like they don't have more money than God at this point, to go wherever they want.
@kid g, I'm just guessing, but since early voting has already started in Colorado (and yes, Obama did organize 'watch the debate and vote' parties) (and no, I have no idea about NV), that a lot of enthused Obama supporters have already voted. So, I'm not too concerned about complacency there.
"So, can anyone tell me why they are going into KENTUCKY?!?!"
No polls in KY in three weeks (and that was a McCain +10 from Rasmussen). Nat'l numbers have moved by several points towards Obama. It's possible it's in mid single digits.
They probably have an internal poll that is encouraging.
All this tax stuff about what Obama said or didn't say v. what McCain said is a red herring. It's what the Repubs can jump on. They are trying to confuse it up in peoples' minds to sow doubt, but it won't work.
Americans see what is going on. The American public just fronted 700bn$ to the richest assholes in the country. They know who's getting shafted, and it's not the head of Lehman Brothers or the CEO of AIG, who is busy getting serviced by a high class hooker somewhere in Cali.
If Obama ends up with a "mandate" for anything, it's to address the working class. 100,000 showing up at a rally? These people are going to want something back, and I hope he can deliver.
It looks like the red states are getting redder on the map and blue states are becoming bluer. I guess one of my questions is, with the huge theoretical electoral college advantage Obama has now, how come his popular vote isn't more? I mean, assuming it's based on populations, if he leads by more in more populated states, should this not be higher? If that is true, shouldn't the national numbers be more too?
I expect PeteKent to be wrong at least two more times.
1. When he votes for McBush/McBarbie.
2. When he expects McBush/McBarbie to win.
Brad said...
If Powell's endorsement of either Obama or McCain is not full throated he should not make it. I will have even less respect for the man after his WMD debacle.
Whatever he does, he better be a man about it.
Something important to note in the lead up to tomorrow. Colin Powell's character is the second most dominant in the movie W. that was just released. I saw it last night. He plays the devil's advocate in the room. The one trying to stop Jr. from starting the Iraq War. It's something that the press would feel a big need to ask about immediately. If you see the movie, you'll see what I'm talking about. This alone would be a reason to have him on MTP. A full throated endorsement from a Republican would be surprising to me. I don't expect it. The emdia simply has to fill a 24-hour news cycle. To sell newspapers over the weekend and get viewers to cable news, they have to run with something. Often times they're wrong though. I wish they'd hold their horses some of the time. To ASSUME makes an ASS out of U and ME.
On registered vs. likely voters:
It seems unsurprising that Obama is gaining ground with registered voters, while possibly losing ground on other metrics, like likely voters.
Many states have recently had registration deadlines, and most newly registered voters are Obama supporters, so we should expect those waves of people registering at the deadline to boost Obama's numbers among registered voters.
jackass-be-nimble:
Your neo-mccarthyism boogey-man bullshit scare tactics become ineffective after your REPUBLICAN president signed the "socialist" bailout bill.
The only people who respond to this "socialist" fear mongering on the rightwingnuts that weren't voting for Obama anyways.
And a big fuck you for jumping on this "anti-american" bullshit.
We'll make sure to remind you troglodytes that if you're not supporting President Obama, then you are the "unamericans".
I'm a Obama supporter living in Florida.
Someone supporting McCain wanted to suppress my freedom of speech and stole all the Obama signs from my street; My brother stopped speaking to me last week because I am a left-wing looney (He is a McCain/Pallin supporter)
I am so tired of the dirty, hateful tone of this campaign; I can't wait for it to be over. Both sides are going nuts. Please ask yourself the question, are you helping to ratchet up the hatred in this campaign or calming the madness?
I was so mad this morning when I woke up and found my Obama and “No on 2” signs gone from my front lawn. I phoned the Republican headquarters to ask them if this was how they intend to win the election. There was a very nice women who explained that this was happening on both sides, we ended up having a very nice conversation agreeing that after this campaign is over we need to come together as Americans. I then went and had a nice conversation with a neighbor who has a McCain/Palin sign in here yard and she was so sorry someone took my sign and had similar conversation about the need to respect each other and come together after the election.
I'm sharing this story in hopes that some of you posting on this site will think before you posting comments. Please remember this election will be over soon and we do have to come together as Americans. Please stop the madness.
100,000 FOR OBAMA IN MISSOURI
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/18/obama-rally-in-st-louis-d_n_135826.html
http://www.americablog.com/2008/10/obama-talks-economy-to-crowd-of-100000.html
fred,
lol. no I just heard it. :)
"The voodoo economic theories of Reagan and Thatcher have been exposed as fundamentally flawed"
The above is rubbish. What has been exposed is a lack of oversight and enforcement of regulation. It is all about good governance.....
Nc-voter,
Your simplistic language and your use of profanity show an utter lack of intelligence.
The New left is profoundly socialist and anti-American. Tune in to any nights Keith Overbites show and you can see utter disreguard for anything American.
Chris Bowers basically presented an analysis that agrees with you Nate. He sees the race as structurally locked into a 4-5% Obama lead.
During periods when the news is favorable to Obama, he moves ahead some, during periods when it favors McCain (like during the convention bounce) it moves down out of that zone. But, the current financial crisis is giving Obama a slight lift in what is really a 4-5% permanent edge.
"I am expecting the campaign to settle in at an Obama lead of 4-5%. I looked at Pollster.com's national trendlines today, excluding the VP and convention period from August 16th to September 15th. Without that period in the trendlines, the campaign has been extremely stable, hovering at right around 4-5%. Obama was a bit higher right after securing the nomination, and also at the height of the financial meltdown. McCain was a bit higher when he was able to outspend Obama on paid media in all but a few states. But really, this is a 4-5% campaign, with very little movement.
Given the long-term stability excepting for major events, I expect that 4-5%, is where the campaign will end, with Obama winning between 325-350 electoral votes."
I think this is right and we'll see all the national polls settle into that 4-5% range before election day.
That's still a massive beat-down if not a "Landslide."
"Regarding 100,000, its votes not crowds that count. Remember what Berlin did."
"Sent Obama up 8 points overnight"
I repeat it is votes that count.
Why Kentucky? Who is the no. 1 senator on the dems list to beat?
McConnell? right and he is in a close race
Eric,
You maybe right about powell, but noone anywhere is doing much to dampen speculation that Powell is going to say something significant. He would be an odd person to be plugging the film mind.
My own guess is that whilst not giving a full throated 'I am voting for...' he might well round on McCain's tactics, suggest Palin isn't a suitable choice as VP and genreally lay into McCain. Which in someways would be more damaging.
nc_voter, I actually am glad people are hopping on the anti-American hooha. It's what drove me to contribute to Bachmann's opponent!
http://www.tinklenberg08.com/
I'm disabled, so I don't have a lot of money, and most of my spare change has already gone to Obama directly. However, even I was able to scrape up a few bucks to get her out!
""So, can anyone tell me why they are going into KENTUCKY?!?!""
If it will help get rid of Mitch McConell, I'm all for it.
Owl's points are well taken. Obama has done a poor job of explaining the complexities of his tax plan. Unfortunately only low information voters are available for now and they will not focus on nuance.
I think they will understand that the problem with our economy is not so much unfettered capitalism (as if we ever have had that), but government meddling, like forcing banks to lend to people who could not repay loans.
Using the banking system to further a social agenda is a shakedown worthy of Al Sharpton. Rather than give these people a direct handout, the Democrats coerced banks to do what they could not do politically. That really stinks.
The people understand about socialistic redistribution of wealth and do not believe politicians throwing numbers about how 95% of people get tax cuts, especially when that politician has no record to enhance his credibility and in fact his record suggests an instinct to raise taxes on everyone and everything so as to spend more of the people's money. Thus he (Obama) is being viewed with greater suspicion. We can thank Joe for this.
McCain has promised to double the personal exemption -- that happy little box you check that already reduces your taxable income by 1000s. And to reduce taxes on capital gains -- a move that never fails to stimulate the market.
Joe and Sarah Six Pack can get that.
What they don’t get is socialism.
The real difficulty for McCain is not to reduce an 8% Obama lead down to 4-5%, or even to go from 5% down to perhaps 3% (within the margin of error), but to move the last 3%-5% into the lead.
That's almost impossible for him now because there aren't enough undecideds left. Too many people have made up their minds and decided against the Republicans.
For that fundamental factor to change would require a political earthquake -- perhaps another 9-11 or something equally earth-shattering.
I cannot stop pondering the thought that the Republicans actually *want* to loose, so a Democrat can do the cleanup after 8 disastrous years. And if that cleanup does not happen immediately and miraculously, put all the blame on the Democrats and claim they were the reason for the mess in the first place. You all know, people's memory for more than about three weeks gets fuzzy quickly when it comes to politics. Is this too far fetched, too sarcastic?
McCain hires racist who told voters McCain's daughter was a "black baby" in 2000
http://www.americablog.com/2008/10/mccain-hires-racist-who-told-voters.html
This guy is really fucked in the head.
For anyone worrying about Obama not hitting McCain hard on taxes, you need to watch this portion of his speech to the 100K in St. Louis. Wow. He's "more than a little annoyed" about the distortion McCain has made of his tax cuts. It's very good.
(The video portion is in the middle of the pictures as Update #5)
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/18/12630/064/131/634471
You'd be suprised to know that I think the race is locked in at 4-5%. That is until tomorrow when it is 3-4, then monday when it is 1-2, then Thursday of next week when McCain takes the lead.
Conservatives and independendents won't stand by and let their country be taken over by the New Democratic Socialist Welfare Party. They are profoundly redistributionist and anti-American.
McCain is surging.
markymark,
Powell won't plug the film. You know Oliver Stone. He pushes buttons. The movie screams for most of two hours that when it cam to the lead up to the Iraq War, the only adult in the room was Powell, constantly telling Bush in no uncertain terms that he shouldn't go in. Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rice, Tenet, Franks, rove, etc., etc. all trying to push him in and Powell trying to stop him from going. When Powell realized he wasn't going to be able to stop it, he got on board. The MSM has to ask him about this immediately.
Earlier this week, all the Rs loved the TIPP poll (they kept touting it as the most accurate in 2004) when it had Obama up by just 2. Today it has him up by 7, and they're dismissive of it. Fools.
By the way, KC Star endorsed Obama today. He's due here this evening. I'd love to see us get 100,000 out for him here--if St Louis can do it, surely we can too!
The Republicans DON'T want to lose. Anyone who thinks that haven't looked at the evidence.
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