With seven different daily tracking polls to work with -- one of which releases three separate versions of its model each day -- there is a lot to choose from for those who might seek to cherry-pick results.
Slow news day, Matt? If this is a two-point race right now, I'll eat Drudge's fedora. None of the dozen or so other polls that were in the field this week shows a race that close. Nor do either of the alternate versions of Gallup's model, including the so-called Likely Voters II model that I find most credible. (Drudge, of course, had no interest in featuring the Zogby poll, as he had for the past several of days on his site, but which today showed Obama gaining ground.)
Let me be clear: I don't blame Drudge for trying to drive the narrative. Unlike certain other folks, it's not as though he's made any claim to being objective. With real news -- which polls aren't -- he generally has excellent and entertaining instincts.
I do, however, blame those of who allow yourselves to have your day ruined when Drudge moonlights as some kind of polling analyst.
A fairer way to analyze tracking polls, in any event, is something like this: McCain gained ground in three of the seven trackers today (Gallup, Rasmussen, Battleground). He lost ground in one (Zogby). Three others (Research 2000, Hotline, IBD/TIPP) were unchanged.
That could indicate a slight tightening toward McCain, who also had gained ground on average in the tracking polls yesterday. It could also indicate statistical noise. What it probably does not indicate is any dramatic shift in the momentum of the race.
Our model, indeed -- crunching all of this data along with the state polling -- does think Obama's momentum had stalled out about a bit, and pegs his national lead at closer to 7 points rather than the 8-point advantage it had given him a couple of days ago. Why? I don't know. Conventions are not the only events that produce bounces. Debates can too; if a candidate picks up, say, 3 points as the result of winning a debate, he might keep 2 of those points but give one of them back after a handful of days. To the extent that Obama has lost any steam, I sense that it is more something like that than anything constructive the McCain campaign has done.
And of course, there was another debate last night, which most observers concluded that Obama won, and which may give him another momentum boost. That debate will begin to be reflected in tomorrow's numbers and will be fully rolled in by Sunday or Monday.
Looking very quickly at the state numbers:
Anything interesting here? Not really; even the notoriously erratic Zogby Interactive polls seem fairly well behaved. Rasmussen has Ohio moving back into a tie after Obama had led by 2 there earlier in the week. On the other hand, that 2-point lead represented the first time that Obama had led any Rasmussen poll of Ohio, so relative to their envisioning of the state, this remains a decent result for him.
10.16.2008
Today's Polls, 10/16
by Nate Silver @ 7:40 PM...see also colorado, connecticut, florida, indiana, massachusetts, missouri, msm, national polls, nevada, new hampshire, new mexico, new york, north carolina, ohio, pennsylvania, spin, today's polls, virginia
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Indeed, a great site for insightful and clever posts trolled to death for the evening . . .
I'm getting seriously spoiled now. Yesterday, I remember seeing that McCain had a 4.9% chance of winning per your Win Percentage pie chart and today it's 5.3%. Seeing the jump to 5.3% actually frightened me for a sec. LOL!!! I think I should keep averting my eyes to Obama's 94.7% chance of winning to keep my nerves steady.
Speaking of pie, check out this Obama vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5L3M8Pn9KU
Kelly--something geekier? Okay...how about either Prime Radiant or Deep Thought? Nothing says "I'm a gifted but socially maladjusted adult denizen of my mommy's basement" like a good Azimov or Adams reference. ;-)
Joe = S-in-Law of Keating = Bristol is Trigs Mom
Obama supporters are Stalinists.
Pete-
Shut the fuck up, tool.
If all else fails, Sarah will be the one leading the civil war effort if, god forbid, hussein is elected. The intelligent and conservative states that have values will secede and become a nation of greatness, while the liberal asshole that hussein leads will become not unlike a 3rd world country.
sorry i meant pipe in not pie ;-)
McCain caused the market to rally today . . .
Sell Obama on InTrade NOW!!!
Why would you hold? Isn't 100 max value.
Or, for a more obscure Adams reference...name it Hactar.
aria, please post more. I'm serious, I like your writing and exceptionally morbid sensibility.
In the end, the voters will all realize they don't want a terrorist like Hussein as our president.
MCCAIN LANDSLIDE!!
Well, I was wrong.
The GOP had the perfect vice to change the page. Use the common Joe, the one that dreams of a good life and wants to work for it only to have it taken away by higher taxes.
All he had to do was stick to the script.
Now, the GOP are STILL harping about Ayers, abortion, and Acorn. The have not delivered a clear economic vision. They have not found a real focus.
Amazing.
PeteKent, are you predicting another "fundamental shift"?
You are such a joke. No one gives a shit about joe, or "spread the wealth" (besides the 'Cons who already hated obama)
Did you notice how independents split for Obama 2:1 after the debate?
You 'cons are done. DONE. As the long term demographics shift in this country, it only further spells out doom for the republiClown party as we know it.
ACORN steals elections. That's the only way Communists get elected in this country, unlike the noble Republican party. You libs make me sick.
MCCAIN LANDSLIDE!!! DESTROY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!
BTW what happened to that $160 million that the GOP was suppose to use during the last few weeks of the campaign? Because CNN now say it's $70 million.
So much for that bright idea.
PeteKent said...
"If all else fails, Sarah will be the one leading the civil war effort if, god forbid, hussein is elected. The intelligent and conservative states that have values will secede and become a nation of greatness"
1) Speaking like a true secessionist.
2) You can have your Utah, Wyoming, Kansas, Arkansas, Nebraska, Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia, Kentucky, South/North Dekota, Mississippi, Louisiana and we'll throw Texas into the mix.
The fundamental shift will be reflected in the polls in 2-3 days. You libs will probably be having hard attacks when you see those "McCain+" numbers on the Gallup and Rasmussen polls!
Thanks Joe!
2) You can have your Utah, Wyoming, Kansas, Arkansas, Nebraska, Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia, Kentucky, South/North Dekota, Mississippi, Louisiana and we'll throw Texas into the mix.
Truly a great nation! No treason states (ones that vote Democrat)!
Well I'm going to invest in a good bottle of Dom Perignon for November 4th.
Either it's party time or I'm going to need a really good drink.
as always Hilzoy at Obsidian Wings nails this 'spread the wealth' silliness in her very calm, coherent incisive way. Must read.
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/10/spreading-the-w.html
Feels like early September around here!
I am looking for the McCain rally in the stock market.
I bet you could not unload a substantial quantity of Obama over 80 right now.
frida--it will be for celebration, we just have to work very very hard to make it happen.
That's like the seventh wingnut tonight talking revolution if they lose.
I'm kind of all for it. If they want a street war, that's sorta cool with me. For them to end their their miserable political ride from 2000-2008 with them screaming about traitors, to a revolt where we can put bullets in their head and put them down like dogs sounds like cinema. In a way, it's the best ending for all this I could imagine.
McCain Is Bush
Enough said.
lat--I hope you are not referring to me.... I'm not passing myself off as anything. I'm a solid Obama supporter but I have seen the GOP find a way to win too many times NOT to worry.
Bush and McCain are both wonderful! Bush is better though, at least he gives Communists (Democrats) the cold shoulder, although McCain actually pays mind to them!
pete is clearly in the manic stage of his bipolar problem.
Is there really any doubt left that PeteKent is actually Baghdad Bob? A mindless stream of propagandist diarrhea, without the slightest hint of heed for reality. A decapitated chicken zipping around the barnyard has more purpose than Petey.
Us hardworking conservatives will thrash you liberal pansies, and we'll take the executive and legislative branches of our sacred government back by force!
no not you roger, as I said I freak out too! the trolls are here and they are very very clearly not Obama supporters.
Obama's socialistic agenda has been exposed.
Joe will be hailed as the savior. He shall take his place on the throne besides Palin I.
Long live the Palin dynasty!
STOP REPLYING TO PETE KENT. SERIOUSLY PEOPLE. STOP IT.
Though that probably won't be necessary. Hussein will NEVER be elected with people like Palin (terrorist chaser) and Joe on our side.
Kid G,
He is Bristol Palin's second boyfriend. Make sure you catch the next eps. of Maury Show to find out who the father is.
"Pete Kent! You are...."
pete is clearly in the manic stage of his bipolar problem.
Clearly. McCain is within five in a poll. It's his trigger.
Petekent,
No one trust Joe the Charlatan.
McCain is within five in a poll.
Obama has STATISTICALLY INSIGNIFICANT lead in GALLUP AND in TIPP!!!
It's over libs!!
LONG LIVE QUEEN PALIN OF OUR GREAT CONSERVATIVE SECESSIONIST NATION!!!
The american people have exposed Odumbo for who he really is - a marxist with dangerous associations.
Thank you Joe the Greater, for bringing the light of knowledge and exposing the Marx reincarnate.
The first Palin dynasty scripture will have a section devoted to you, Joe the Greater
Vanderbilt's pansy son is making fun of Joe on AC360. At least I don't have to listen to him pick on girls. I bet he used to pull on pigtails when he was a kid.
This guy is a civilian. He ought to be left alone. Playing with fire.
Looks like all the liberal pansies ran away. Just like Hussein does when Sarah Palin attacks him.
The other Pete Kent is risable.
I think he must be a real conservative. I cannot imagine posing a liberal and saying those sort of outrageous things withoyut disgusting myself.
Perhaps my laughter is the laugh of recognition.
Hey, Pete.
You know there is a tap on the backbone layer of the internet that your guy W. stuck in there? It's recording every last bit of this (it pretty much records everything that happens anywhere). As a matter of fact, the volume of what is being recorded is so vast that they are building something the size of the Astrodome in Texas to house all the servers necessary to store it.
These laws you liked aren't going anywhere, and maybe that's why you are having your freakout right now, but unless I was deadly serious and committed to joining the underground Nov. 5th, you would have been smart to keep the sedition under wraps.
Get ready to eat a fedora you cocky know it all prick. You remind me of your candidate...an elitest know it all who knows very little.
Sarah is right, everyone just ignore Pete. He's made it perfectly clear he just gets an erection from making people pissed off with him. Let him go back into his own little insular hole and play with his toys.
The blasphemy of Anderson Cooper will only hasten to his downfall once the Palin ascends the throne - we do not tolerate heathens kindly around here.
Cooper the heretic will not be remembered kindly by the Palin scripture.
George W. Bush is an american hero. I'll follow him to the ends of the earth.
Sorry, Sarah should read Sonia
I'm starting to believe petekent is another version of He - someone who is so over-the-top in their posts that they actually are a liberal satireist in disguise.
Didn't see this poll in Nate's round-up.
Research 2000 - Georgia...
McCain 49
Obama 43
Senate race is tight...
Chambliss 47
Martin 45
Buckley 5
We should ask Nate en masse to include a spam or voting system here so we can kick people. It's totally undermining the quality of discussion which most of us value on this site.
Ok. Here's an idea.
How many people donate here to Obama? How about for everytime PeteKent post on this thread we give a certain amount.
Me, I think about $.25 per post. If nothing else, I know that Pete helping the cause.
Whats funny is that the republicans act like all of a sudden progressive tax schemes are something new and are socialism.
OF course they arent new, and they are no more socialist than say taking my money in taxes and redistributing it to ExxonMobil so they can in turn pay taxes to Saudi Arabia.
I'm tired of those international socialist Republicans redistributing my wealth to our enemies.
@petekent,
Much like you of small brains discovered not all gay people are "pansies" when they are kicking you ass for insulting them, not all liberals are pansies which you will discover when we are kicking your ass.
You realize that the shit you are spewing now is treason.
Our lovely red state of Georgia will never vote for a Commiecrat.
Chambliss to victory!!!
Obama is gradually pulling away from McCain according to Zogby Daily polls...still waiting for results from todays (10/16) polling.
Last day polled Obama lead
10/6 2.4
10/7 1.9
10/8 3.6
10/9 4.2
10/10 3.8
10/11 6.1
10/12 4.3
10/13 6.2
10/14 3.8
10/15 5.5
that's a quarter to Obama. Thanks Pete!
The Palin Scripture will show how the Conservatives reigned supreme over the communists.
Lol! I just got sent this email by the McCain campaign (Know thy enemy and all that).
Quote: Dear Supporter,
Last night, you saw John McCain win the final debate of the general election. On every issue, he proved he is ready to lead and ready to take this country in a new direction.
Did I miss some polling????
frida1980 -
25 cents every time petekent posts? I'm in. I'll start by giving the total to Jim Martin.
The Blogger Pete Kent really means what he says. I claim his as my fellow conservative. he needs help, but we never leave a buddy behind!
Curtain-
Sweet.
I'm up to $.50. Keep it coming!
I must withdraw to worship at the alter of Palin I.
"oh blessed she that is Palin the mighty who brought down the demon spawn Obama..."
Donate all the money you want. It will never stop the minds of the truly intelligent who don't want COMMUNISTS to control America!
petekent -
Another quarter to Martin
Thanks for the tip. $.75
$1.25
petekent said:
"I must withdraw to worship at the alter of Palin I.
"oh blessed she that is Palin the mighty who brought down the demon spawn Obama..."
I'm telling you, satire. NOBODY could be this idiotic.
The book of Palin will govern how we live our lives in our great new nation.
Calling Anderson Cooper a Pansy is treason?
What is this a new version of the fairness doctrine?
If Obama wins and I dissappear by Easter you will know Obama got me!
On Joe the Plumber:
- If the question is whether Obama's policies will in fact raise his taxes, the answer is no. Even if his hypothetical was true, and it was worth $250k a year, his taxes go up by $600. If he can afford a quarter million dollar a year business, he can afford $600 more dollars.
If you think that the Joe The Plumber story is important for that, it goes decidedly towards Obama.
- It has been proposed that the real reason Joe The Plumber is important is not whether he will in fact benefit, but the fact that he got Obama to say something "socialist." I'd like to respond to this:
The idea of calling something "socialist" as a derogatory term when we just effectively saved our economy by having our government buy into the banking system is laughable. Socialist doesn't mean Communist, and Obama doesn't want to turn Washington into the Kremlin. It's simple scaremongering without even addressing what exactly it is we're supposed to be afraid of. Are we afraid that Socialist policies are going to collapse our economy? A little late for that one, pure unmitigated Capitalism seems to have beaten it to the punch... are we afraid that Socialist policies are going to take away our freedoms? Hello Patriot Act.
Scare tactics are unfortunately effective, but lets see this for what it is. Accusing Obama of being a "Socialist" is, put simply, a scare tactic.
Astros1 said...
Get ready to eat a fedora you cocky know it all prick. You remind me of your candidate...an elitest know it all who knows very little.
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You remind me of an asshole - like your candidate - only bigger.
Astro, asshole? Close enough.
But it gives me a reason to donate money. If nothing else I'm giving to a good cause.
But the joke is on y'all -- Blogger Pete Kent is serious!
$1.75
"The book of Palin will govern how we live our lives in our great new nation."
Another 25 cents for Jim. Keep it up, I got lots of quarters due to the redistribution of wealth thing you keep harping on.
At this rate Martin is going to OWN Suxby, and you have only yourself to blame.
Ok Pete. $2.00
I donated $100 to Martin's campaign yesterday. I figure that covers the last hour or so of poor pete's delusional posts...LOL
bigdayqueen -
hahaha. Probably only 15 minutes...
You know I should support my Senator too. So, some will go to Kay Hagan.
Throw all the money you want at the red states, but it's too late -- they've surpassed a cultural hurdle, their culture is far too modern, wise, and progressive to go back to the mindset of electing a communist.
MCCAIN LANDSLIDE!!!
Do not be frightened, fellow enlightmen. Prophecy clearly states that Palin I will have taken the throne by the third month of the ninth year of the third millennium.
It is then that the purge of the Heretics will began. We shall start with the abortionists, who are the most wicked of sorts, and then move on to the Sanfransisco sodomite hellspawn...
CHA-CHING!
Thanks petekent!
I got plenty more in my bank account....LOL
Hmm... $2.50. Not bad.
god, how many Pete the Parrot sock puppets are infesting the thread tonight ?
blogger Pete, typekey Pete, petekant...
DNFTT
"Do not be frightened, fellow enlightmen. Prophecy clearly states that Palin I will have taken the throne by the third month of the ninth year of the third millennium.
It is then that the purge of the Heretics will began. We shall start with the abortionists, who are the most wicked of sorts, and then move on to the Sanfransisco sodomite hellspawn..."
I'm telling you, this guy is brilliant! I haven't read satire like that since Candide!
I'm phone banking Saturday for Obama. The first candidate I've ever worked for who is not from the American Communist Party, the Socialist Party, Green Party, or Peace & Freedom.
I hate the Repugs that much.
Communism is ripping America's very soul out. You people DISGUST me for supporting it.
Palin, please save us from these fools!
Seriously guys, email Nate at 538dotcom@gmail.com and ask him to bring in some sort of spam button, or abuse button and help us filter out this bull. This is the one site on the internet where I can still have intelligent conversation and I do NOT want to lose that.
It's in Nate's best interests to keep us here and keeping on seeing the advertising :-)
Saxby has been employing the same old Republican tactic of character assassination: Martin has caused "Children to die."
Pete, you dick. I counted about 90 of your dumb ass comments so far on this thread. I'm sending $100 to Obama.
...at which point we will move on to the darwinists, who's heretical acceptance of the evolution doctrine is in staunch opposition to the Book of Palin.
Next, the Goreists...
I just posted this on Craigslist in DC. Hopefully, it'll spread. No time for complacency!!!!
Calling all Obama supporters - a call to action! :) (not a time for complacency)
-----------------------------------
I sent out the email listed at the bottom of this post to a number of friends in VA last night. Please, send emails to friends in VA and in all states who are for Obama. Please post info like this on other CL's around the country, Facebook and MySpace, etc. Ask your friends to do the same. Ask your friends to forward, post, etc.
Obama himself today said that now is not the time get cocky or complacent. While we may be ahead in the polls, we MUST ACTUALLY VOTE!!! And, we must remind every single person we can to vote.
And, if possible, vote early. An article in the Washington Post tonight noted that VA could have such huge turnouts that there could be problems. Combined with RNC voter suppression tactics at the polls and elsewhere, youth voters who sometimes register but don't show up to vote and the RNC attempting to invalidate registered voters in swing states, this election is far from over!
To my fellow Virginians:
Virginia is now turning blue! http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/15/electoral.change/index.html Now is not the time to be complacent. Take a moment to sign up at www.barackobama.com. Once you've signed up you can volunteer to call potential voters from your phone. I did and it is actually pretty fun. There are directions on Obama's site on how to make the phone calls and a basic script for you to use as a guide. It's simple and doesn't take long at all.
If you have the time, please volunteer at your local Obama/Warner office to canvass neighborhoods. This is also fun. I just canvassed today. You'll meet cool people at the local office and you'll be able to get the word out.
Please take the time to turn Virginia blue!
P.S. The Washington Post just endorsed Barack Obama
Location: not a time for complacency
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$2.75
Keep it up Pete.
In the interest of not spamming this board, I'm not going to reply to the various petes with posts about giving my Commie money to Democrats everytime one of them babbles on about something.
I'm still giving a quarter each post, but now I'm not going to reply to all of them.
The grand age of America was when McCarhyism was strong.
LittleVincent- Nice!
$3.00 and counting.
Democrats are a panicky bunch. This next two weeks will certainly feel like an eternity, after eternity with every "Bad" poll number causing sweats and panic.
Listen guys. The polls will tighten. They always tighten. But it's over. McCain has no avenue into Colorado and Virginia or the blue states, and Florida is the topper.
We'll sweat every Gallup and Rasmussen poll, but its over.
Just as long as you give. This is a great fund raising idea. I think I'll give an extra five, just because...
oh well, $8.25.
Email Nate! Too much at stake! I do not want to lose this site to the trolls!
You libs will be crying when McCain wins in a landslide, and your communist campaign goes down in flames.
Curtain Jerker
How dare you compare me to that Heretic Voltaire, who's rejection of god was an egregious affront to the Book of Palin.
Once the great purge begins, the works of that unbeliever will be burned in accordance to the Palin doctrine.
macona7,
For someone who has worked in DC 2 blocks from the executive office and the White House, I have been recommunicating with old colleague and friends vis-a-vis the election and frankly, the DC suburbs of VA are overwhelmingly pro-Obama. My younger sister who still resides in DC and has NEVER shown an iota of interest in politics has begun sending e-mails in support of Obama.
You insult my family pete...my father served in WWII, my brother died in Viet Nam, and a nephew died in Iraq... we all love the USA. I just want the country I grew up in back. And Barack Obama and Joe Biden will make that happen.
The inquisition, initiated by Palin I, will surely put an end to all the communists in our nation.
ignore them all & it will stop
or you can click on the fake Pete's name & then that offending post will disappear from your screen...
How desperate the GOP has become. All you guys have left is Ayres. LOL.
President Obama
Has a nice ring to it doesn't it?
Obama won the debate last night, no doubt in my head. However, he made a critical error in his answer to Joe (not) the plumber regarding spreading the wealth.
A more appropriate answer would have been "George Bush and the Republican economic policy these past eight years, supported by lobbyist from big business got us into this mess. Now is the time for them to pay their fair share for getting us into this mess. It is a disservice to the American taxpayers, and the hard working small business owners of this country to have to bare the full price in reviving our economy."
Short and simple. Would pointed out the Republican role in our fiscal crises and legitimize a hgher tax burden on big business.
PeteKant said...
"[...] unbeliever will be burned in accordance to the Palin doctrine."
In what respect, Pete? ;)
President Obama?
NEVER
NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dear fellow bloggers,
we have been invaded by trolls who do nothing more than interupt our intelligent exchanges. Therefore, I decided to donate to the Obama Campaign for these annoying posters.
Please do the same so we can keep the sanity of our blog.
"Curtain Jerker
How dare you compare me to that Heretic Voltaire, who's rejection of god was an egregious affront to the Book of Palin.
Once the great purge begins, the works of that unbeliever will be burned in accordance to the Palin doctrine."
Brilliant. Simply amazing. You've overplayed your hand abit though. A real person with your "ideology" wouldn't have been able to identify Voltaire. You wouldn't have learned it at Bob Jones.
Bill Ayers is coming out in support of John McCain.
Even Hussein's terrorist commie friends are rooting for mccain.
MCCAIN LANDSLIDE!!!
dcm in fl
thank you for the neat trick..nice and easy way to ignore baby talk
You're a communist sympathizer. TO THE GALLOWS WITH YOU!!!
PeteKent said...
"Even Hussein's terrorist commie friends are rooting for mccain."
So McCain is a bonafide Commie! I rest my case.
Dear Blogger!PeteKent:
Get your own trolling name. Copypasta!PeteKent is much more interesting than you.
Regards,
Chris
I'll ignore them dcm, but I still think it was all over-the-top satire.
Good night everyone. Sleep well. Canvass this weekend and vote early.
petekent,
Why do you support Communists? Why do you hate America so much?
I hate communists like you liberal hussein loving pansies.
Sharing the wealth is more right than trickle down economics. Not a damned thing has trickled down. Rather, it's trickled up as real wages have declined.
Pete, for good measure, I sent $100 to Jim Martin (although I'm not from Georgia).
How DARE you flagrantly deny the authority of our lady Palin and give any money to that COMMUNIST!
It is but necessary in the war against the unbelievers to dabble in the heretical knowledge of the enemy. We will be forgiven upon the grand coronation of Palin I.
You might not find yourself so lucky once the great purge begins. The apostate intellectual elite are but a tier below the heathen islamites.
"And we take an oath to never falter, vacillate, or waver in the defense of the kingdom of The Great Republic of Christ"
Book of Palin 21:13
The secret police created by Palin will swiftly "pacify" any stray communists in our great nation.
A breaking news:
Joe the Plumber is voting for Obama -- he has now growing hair on his head.
Joe the Plumber is a symbol of the American dream. He will never vote for a communist.
"PeteKant"
Nice.
yawn...
I'll just give Obama my $20 and call it a night
ok, this is getting scary...
RCP - that bastion of 'Fair & Balanced' [not] has a link to a dreadful, hate-mongering supposedly 'christian' article called"
"Why This Election Will Be Close: Hushed Confessions"
by 'Father' Jonathan Morris
@ http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/16/frj_1016/
and this good 'christian' ends his pitch with a hypocritical "God bless you"
pathetic - gives all religious a bad name...
Liberal hippies will be this nation's downfall.
This is a Rachel Maddow show Vid showing clips from tonights Al Smith dinner talks with McCain and Obama...McCain is funny and comes across actually likeable. Click on the "McCain and Obama speak at dinner" tab.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553
PeteKent,
The brilliance of McCain's Joe the Plumber setup was clearly what made the Dow shoot up today.
Tomorrow, it will cure cancer.
PeixeGato:
Thank you. You saved me a lot of typing!
Palin I will start the crusades of the Commiecrats and liberal hippies.
ALL HAIL PALIN.
Does anyone, ANYONE, know when we might see some polling out of Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, South Dakota or Tennessee?
I'm going to sleep now. I'll be here tomorrow to thrash you liberal hippies and commiecrats with my superior logic, intellect, and wit. Until then, have fun supporting your terrorist commie hussein!
petekent wrote:
Obama will tax the wealthy to fund his spending priorities.
Oh!
What are those?
[Whispered] Socialism!
And once again, Mr. Kent puts his finger on the very issue that voters care nothing about, and builds it up into the defining issue of the election.
Of course, whoever is elected will "tax the wealthy to fund his spending priorities". For that matter, both Bush and Reagan taxed the wealthy, too. And this is supposed to be an indisputable sign of "socialism" from Mr. Kent.
Now, in petekent's little bubble world, people across the nation are tossing and turning in their beds at night, consumed by worry. Could it be they are worried about making the next mortgage payment? About potentially losing their job, perhaps? Or about finding a job now that they have been laid off? Could they be worried about their family, their health, their marriage, their car, their 401K?
No, not at all. Mr. Kent peers into the hearts and minds of America and finds that people are terribly worried that people who make over a quarter million each year could pay more taxes....because that would be socialism. And everyone is afraid of socialism, all of the time. Even when something makes them laugh, people suddenly stop and think "But what about socialism? Am I doing enough to stop it?".
Not content with this foray into fantasy, Mr. Kent then points to someone who does not want to pay taxes and marks them as a hero who will change the race, much in the same way as he predicted Palin would change the race. His new hero, who never seriously intended to buy a plumbing company, is saddened that he can't buy one - and the obvious culprit is...taxes!
It's not that he's a poor credit risk, or has no management experience, or has no plumbing licence - it's taxes that keep this poor man's dream deferred. Hey, where's my Bentley? Oh yeah...taxes.
It's a good thing that McCain will abolish taxes, right? Huh? He won't?
Drudge is not reporting Zogby or Ras. This must be a good sign.
OK, Nate, it's time to take control of your blog.
lets just say that there was going to be some funny business with the election...and lets just say that the results were to be quite different than all the polled data out there...(2000,2004 anyone?)
You would need to build a narrative that the election is much closer then it actually is, otherwise the people would not believe the results when they are different from the polling.
You do not have to get everyone to believe it...only the ones who would make the most noise when the results would be challenged.
Drudge is just doing the job that he is hired to do.
Yeah. I'm all for an open-opinion forum, but this guy is just a nosensical jerk.
Real Joe - Step up and repudiate this man's remarks.
Todd Dugdale wrote:
And everyone is afraid of socialism, all of the time. Even when something makes them laugh, people suddenly stop and think "But what about socialism? Am I doing enough to stop it?".
LMAO! Bravo, sir, bravo! Outstanding!
I depart with a prayer in support of the prophesied glorious Palin I dynasty from the Book of Joe the Greater.
"It is with a enlightened heart that we bless the great lady Palin I and pray for the continued blessings of Jesus of Nazareth onto the great Republic Of Christ ruled by our benevolent leader Lady Palin, who in her accession to righteousness destroyed the demonspawn Obama the marx reincarnate. May she rule until the rapture befalleth, protecting us from the heretical socialists"
It's amazing that Trolls are taking over boards here and at pollster. Amazing...you would think they were the same...
Zogby and Ras must not be too great of numbers for the 'surging' McCain!!11!
South Park should have a Mock Debate between Eric Cartman and Token.
Blogger PeteKent said...
I'm going to sleep now. I'll be here tomorrow to thrash you liberal hippies and commiecrats with my superior logic, intellect, and wit. Until then, have fun supporting your terrorist commie hussein!
Ahhhh, how nice it is once the children have gone to bed :-)
I haven't seen anyone comment on this yet:
http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/misc/blog/?initialBlogId=jd_1
The CEO of Intrade acknowledging that they were off-standard because of one large trade. You caught it, not that you got credit.
I guess now that I read petekent's posts that I must be a communist. I feel deflated now and won't go to the polls and vote for Obama anymore.
But why do Repubs act like they hate communism but they embrace China and want to send all of our Jobs to China. They love the Chinese logically because Repubs are true capitalists.
But I am so stupid and lack logic.
well at INTRADE 85 - 15 odds, does it really matter if someone is trying to game them or hedge their bets ???
You know...Matt Drudge may ask you to eat something else.
(I'm sorry, I'm sorry - I know - way to juvenile, but somebody had to say it).
Nate, Obama said today there were 2 words for people getting "cocky" enough to eat Drudge's cockades. His 2 words were from last January---to be more up-to-date, try any of:
Tampa Rays
Red Sox
Seven-Nothing
Seventh Inning
And so to bed, thanks J.D.!
Nice. Letterman just asked McCain about Liddy. This should be interesting.
maybe he's just hitting his ceiling!
These are pre-debate right? The instant polling after the debate gave Obama a huge win.
Contrary to popular belief, no way has Obama given up on Ga, I live in Atl, haven't seen a McCain ad in a while, doesn't seem like John is spending too much, but it is rare not to see at least one Obama ad per commercial break on the major networks.
Voter turnout is insane here. If past turnout models are used, they are going to be way off.
Maybe Matt's taking into account illegal voter purges and other election-day suppression tactics, i.e. challenges and such that will work to slow down lines in swing states.
why anyone engages petekent is beyond me
it's not worth anyone's time
he's a repressed , uneducated teenager who spews talking points
NEXT
Best 538 post ever man- I had been thinking the same thing about Drudge for a long time (he loves stirring up controversy regardless of party, but when the news is less sensational (ie. polling data), he has an obvious conservative slant* ... but no one ever put it on the "airwaves".
*the Drudge Report is great, but people have to remember to be honest with themselves (before taking many of the questionable material they put up- as fact). DailyKos, HuffingtonPost, etc. do the exact same thing to drive or steer the news toward their world view. It's a debate, and there are merits on both sides. Whether you are partisan or not, you need to understand and respect that, lest you lose your sense of reason.
Myself? I'm voting for Obama.
Great endorsement for Obama from the Washington Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/16/AR2008101603436.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Okay, I know I'm going to regret this... but I have a couple of questions :)
[oh by the way, I enjoyed this article about the election Joes in the Guardian]
I know I shouldn't pay any attention to PeteKent, but I was wondering a) why he thinks it has suddenly been revealed that Obama want to redistribute wealth a little - it's not like he's been hiding it and b) why Republicans think that this policy in any way resembles Socialism?
Even in Europe there are only a small number of countries that truly approach Socialist - the Scandinavian ones, especially Sweden. On virtually any European country's political scale Obama and the Democrats would be about as right wing as mainstream politics gets.
I was also wondering (and these questions aren't rhetorical, I'm a fascinated Brit and I really want to know), why "Socialism" seems to have such power as a dirty word in the US? It's like in Republicans' minds Europe is somehow imagined to be like the USSR - with all of us queuing for our daily bread and crap cars, when in fact all the countries are now fairly centrist and even slightly right-leaning.
Why is that so frightening?
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Republican-presidential-nominee-shaking-hands-Senator-Barack-Obama-presidential-debate/photo//081016/ids_photos_ts/r1772410910.jpg/;_ylt=Ag3HUSXylA4i.Aq4TQbI7vADW7oF
This photo truly says it all.
Zogby's tracking poll remains 49% to 44% when rounded off though McCain gained a halfpoint in the exact numbers. According to Zogby, the Thursday numbers for McCain were better than the two prior days.
How about we call it the "Objective Poll Analysis and Prediction Algorithm" -- OPAPA
I just like the way it goes with Obama.
"OPAPA likes Obama this year."
Or perhaps since PECOTA was named with a nod and a wink at a semi-obscure baseball player, we can find a similarly unknown politician to name THE TRACKER after.
Better yet, let's wait until November 5th, when it will be obvious this is the most accurate prediction site on the web, the name it in honor of arrogance:
"The Ultimate Pundit"
"Nate's Ass-Kicker"
"Pollstradamus"
"Little ol' Blog Beat The Piss Out of You Big Boys Stick That In Your Pipes and Smoke It Tracker Tracker Bo-Backer"
I'm sure Nate will come up with the right solution eventually, assuming Super tracker or somesuch doesn't "do it" for him.
I love this post, but I don't think we should even nominally give commentators a pass on trying to shape The Narrative. Though it may not seem like it to the political class, people like Drudge do make some claim to offering readers an intellectually honest take on the truth.
We'll never be rid of people deliberately trying to shape the narrative, but that doesn't mean a taboo on intellectual dishonesty doesn't serve an important function. When we catch commentators lying, we should say as much and not make it sound as though it's morally acceptable simply because other people do it.
The desperation of the trolls is hilarious.
Obama will improve our economy because he UNDERSTANDS economics.
Period.
The trolls claiming this recent 'change' in the polls is evidence of a McCain comeback are reminiscent of those that think their football team really can score 2 touchdowns, kick an onside kick, then a last second field goal to win when they have 30 seconds left and no timeouts.
Personally, I'm glad that Drudge posted this misleading headline. It gives the McCain camp false hope and keeps those of us in Obama's camp from becoming too complacent.
Nate,
You don't need to pick on other sites. I read fivethirtyeight.com because I like it, not because I dislike other sites. Your picking on other sites (rcp, drudge, etc) only brings you down.
I said right after the debate that John McCain would pick up a point or two because he managed to land a few blows (though I disagree with him) and calm some nerves for conservative-leaning voters that had been leaving his camp in recent weeks.
For those conservatives who had been concerned about McCain's failing wits, I think he made them suficiently more concerned about taxes and the plight of Joe the unlicensed plumber.
In essence, McCain put some ice on his buring hemroid, but he will need a lot more than that to make it go away.
Scintillating analysis of the debate outcome Nate. "Most observers concluded that Obama won [the third debate]" is a rigorous statistical breakdown of what, the Drudge Retort and CNN?
Les-
My family has been referring to Nate as Hari Seldon for months now. The Model should be called "HARI".
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