10.13.2008

Today's Polls, 10/13

It's hard to tell these days whether the McCain campaign is coming or going; they have thus far defied our prediction that they would revert to a kinder, gentler tone. But the polls continue to break in pretty much just one direction, and it isn't in Senator McCain's.



Both Rasmussen and SurveyUSA released a ton of polling today, and it is almost uniformly favorable for Barack Obama. All you really need to know about the Rasmussen polling is that the five state they now define as battlegrounds -- Ohio, Florida, Missouri, North Carolina, and Virginia -- went to George Bush by an average of 7 points in 2004. Today, Rasmussen has Obama ahead in four of the five (including his first lead ever in a Rasmussen poll of Ohio), and tied in the other (North Carolina).

SurveyUSA, meanwhile, shows Obama making big gains in Missouri, and (less interestingly) in Oregon, New Jersey and New York. Overall, our model looks at the polls that were in the field yesterday -- these include all of the Rasmussen and SurveyUSA polls that we just mentioned -- and thinks it was his second-strongest individual polling day of the year, trailing only one day in early February.

Obama even holds the lead in a Fargo Forum poll of North Dakota, a state which his campaign abandoned some weeks ago. Our model is not yet ready to call North Dakota a toss-up -- we have no context to evaluate the Forum's poll, since this is the first survey they have released all year, and September polling had shown a double-digit lead for McCain in the state. Still, along with West Virginia, Montana, and the 2nd Congessional District in Nebraska, the Peace Garden State represents another place that Obama could win on a very good Election Night. Winning all of those plus all of the more traditional battleground states would total 387 electoral votes, which would better Bill Clinton's figure of 379 in 1996.

The tracking polls, at least, did move on balance toward McCain today. However, they remain strong for Obama, and there is no reason to give special reverence to them. The one-off national polls deserve consideration too, and both ABC/Post and GQR/Democracy Corps give Obama a 10-point lead, as of course do the state polls. Our model considers the trackers along with everything else, and does not yet perceive any cessation in Obama's momentum.

There is a little bit of tracking poll housekeeping, however. Gallup is now listing likely voter results in addition to registered voter results. Our policy since the first debate has been to use the likely voter model when we have the choice, and so that's what we will do from here forward. However, Gallup provides two separate likely voter models: "Likely Voters I", which favors Obama by 7 points, is based on "current voting intentions and past voting behavior"; "Likely Voters II", which goes to Obama by 10, is based on "current voting intentions" only.

I understand that Gallup wants to cover its butt; this is a difficult election to evaluate. With that said, I'd wish they'd tell me which of their likely voter models they think is superior and stick with it.

If they're going to ask me to make a choice, then I'm going to go ahead and make one, and that is with the "Likely Voters II" model, as "Likely Voters I" would seem to entirely strip out the registration gains that Obama and the Democrats have made over the past four years. In addition, the fact that there is a massive Democratic advantage in enthusiasm makes me skeptical of any likely voter model that cuts 3 points out of the Democratic margin. Because of the way that our model handles national polls, neither decision actually advantages Obama or McCain any, but I do think that "Likely Voters II" is liable to be a more accurate reflection of the electorate.

318 comments

STepper said...
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Matt W said...

WOW!

Landslide percentage is 53.67%!!!



Nate,

I really like the new info under the Electoral Vote Distribution graph and the supertracker, Thanks for adding that info. Is the difference between the scenarios that lead to 380 and those that lead to 381 Omaha?

Best election site EVER!

STepper said...

Being first is overrated.

AnotherMike said...

If the RNC were smart, they'd cut McCain loose and try to prevent a complete wipeout of Republican Senators and Representatives.

Fwiffo said...

I'm feeling bullish now on Missouri and Florida, and feeling better about Ohio. I'm stll a bear when it comes to North Carolina and Nevada, and I doubt strongly that bluish Indiana.

-- Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin! --

Ryan said...

I love you, Nate Silver.

No. I love you.

Congratulations to President-Elect Obama!!! said...

These polls are GREAT NEWS!!! For BARACK OBAMA!!!!!!

Chi said...

Look at all those net poll numbers in Obama's favor...awesome!

Abbie Nermal said...

3 weeks. 1 more debate. Lets hope everyone stays engaged.
I still do not understand how McCain campaign decides how to deploy their resources...Pennsylvania does not seem like a good choice...they are hitting it hard.

hurn0003 said...

AnotherMike said...

"If the RNC were smart, they'd cut McCain loose and try to prevent a complete wipeout of Republican Senators and Representatives."

The RNC needs McCain on board and to adopt a severe change in strategy to help GOP Senators and Representatives. But McCain has sold his soul for this election, I doubt that he gives up in any fashion other than kicking and screaming.

unertl said...

I've been registered to vote for 6 years and the Democratic primary was the first time I got off my butt and decided to cast a ballot. I'm pretty sure I would be included in LV I. People like me are going to vote and discounting us would be ridiculous.

hurn0003 said...

Abbie Nermal said...

"I still do not understand how McCain campaign decides how to deploy their resources...Pennsylvania does not seem like a good choice...they are hitting it hard."

Think a dartboard or maybe something involving monkeys throwing poo.

My guess is monkeys, but when in doubt I always guess monkeys.

thatmarvelousape said...

The best part about this is watching the traditional media try to spin this into a horse race. New York Concern Troll Adam Nagourney has an article dedicated to this very topic which finally falls back on the debunked "Bradley Effect" nonsense.

unertl said...

Oh and I have a site suggestion. Can you put up a table of the pollster house effects? I've posted about this before but I figure once more couldn't hurt :)

GaMeS said...

nth!!!!







(a little math humor, guys ... yuk it up!)

Darío said...

Wow, PA and Mi 98% chance of winning for Obama.

prairiecomm said...

McCain is still running ads in iowa. the ayers smear ad ran this am at the doctor's office where I took my mom - nested between a couple of game shows in the morning.

jakam said...

Daily Kos said that the Fargo Forum result has inspired him to commission a new poll of North Dakota.

Which I must say is wise. From my position on the ground, Palin fever is over.

Eric said...

Pac-Man says "CHOMP!"

Cellphone effect systemically underrated. Would love to see projected spending/donations incorporated somehow although interesting to read that it is more of a symptom than a cause.

Rich Merritt said...

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Your favorite shameless self-promoter...

murrman said...

WOW. I knew it was going to be good, but wow.

eponymous said...

Thank God Oklahoma isn't going to the Godless Communists.

What was that? We don't hate them anymore? Well shoot. The uh, the extremist Muslims then.


On a more serious note, if I see McCain campaigning in Iowa one more time... And why was Obama in Pennsylvania? Why not Colorado, or Virginia, or Florida, three states much more likely to put him over the top? I guess it may have to do with national media coverage, but I fail to see how a Democrat campaigning in Virginia isn't just as good a story.

interstices said...

I'm of the opinion that Fla. is becoming the insurance policy among the swing states, appearing to be more solid than Ohio, Va., Mo., and perhaps Colorado.

Let's say the race tightens to a 2-3 percent margin, if we're still thinking Kerry states + Iowa + New Mexico we have both Fla. and Co. to put Obama over the top. After reading the Slate feature on Florida today I think that state is on a seperate trajectory for Obama than the midwest.

Ohio still seems too squirrly to rely on if the race tightens.

Matt said...

Man, they love them some McCain in Oklahoma!

Never been prouder to be a New Yorker.

I am a Fractal said...

Wow...

Now we really have to work on achieving 60 in the senate!

Nick said...

Just a guess, but McCain catching up in Oregon might be due to vote by mail.

Oregon and Washington are both heavy vote-by-mail states, so any tightening in the race will probably be seen earlier up here.

IIRC, Oregon is entirely vote by mail, and many counties in Washington (eg Whatcom) are vote by mail as well.

Ballots go out this week.

Congratulations to President-Elect Obama!!! said...

All the states that jolted up because of Palin Fever are going to go back to where they were now that Palin Fever is over.

SBT Staff said...

Nate, you're a great writer.

GaMeS said...

Oh! And one actual request, Nate:

(1) Would you consider adding quintiles to the Electoral Vote Distribution along with something marking the median? Just like a dotted line coming up to mark each threshold (20%, 40%, 60%, 80%, plus another marking the median at 50%)?

(2) Also, would you consider compiling other stats on the distribution? It would be cool as hell for you to list the median, mode, mean, std. deviation, skewness, etc. =)


Thanks for all you do, Nate!

Darío said...

Nate, what do you think?.
The "end" of the financial crisis help McCain or not?.

realistxxx said...

Matt said...
Man, they love them some McCain in Oklahoma!

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They're just bitter and angry from their loss to the Longhorns. They are throwing all of their support behind the McNasty campaign because it suits their mood.

Lisa said...

Call me superstitious but I'm listening to McCain on this one and won't start measuring the drapes yet. (95% sounds too certain to me.) When the gap tightens a bit (and Nate said it will) I hope the polls won't be as volatile as our markets...

el ganador said...

Nate, I'd love to know how many times Obama wins NE-2, not just wins it as the deciding factor in the election.

jwhit said...

I wouldn't be surprised if Arizona even goes Democrat this year. It has had a Dem governor for a while and my congressional rep is a Dem. Although I live out of the country, my vote is registered in Arizona for Pres and Congress still. Even though Nate's projection is Safe Repub, I'm not convinced. It will truly depend on turnout on the day.

Alyssa said...

matt said...
"Man, they love them some McCain in Oklahoma!
Never been prouder to be a New Yorker."


I second this. My first thought too. Haha.

SureshChandra G said...

Great Job Nate on gathering the information and using it for the extensive analysis in graphs, percentages, probabilities, pie charts.

This is great news for Obama. Not too many sites have as good following as yours and the rush of comments once the post is "posted" , not to mention the 'road to' ones. I really admire you for your extensive analysis; I hope Obama hires you after he gets elected and thats for sure at these staggering numbers.

McCain is a good man, i feel really sorry for him. Even after being more animates in debates, town hall meetings, interviews, he still couldn't make it. And the people talking about the Bradley effect - This is 21 st century and i think if it is still existing, it would have shown in the polls all ready, and the fact that CNN poll of polls gives obama a 12 point lead in Pennsilvania, Obama is going straight to white house. Thanks Nate Silver.
GOBama / Biden 2008.

edgeways said...

again.. why the hell does OK get polled so often?

weird.

Matt W said...

Darío said...
Nate, what do you think?.
The "end" of the financial crisis help McCain or not?.

One great day (even record setting great) for the markets does not mean the financial crisis is over. In fact the way the market behaved today suggests there is still a lot of volatility in the market in the near future and the economy at large has a lot of "fundamental" issues.
Everyone should cheer that the economy might recover, but it is certainly not recovered yet.

Stuart said...

el ganador: he wins NE-2 32% of the time. It's listed at the bottom of NE's section in the polls list at the right.

John said...

I think an additional poll of North Dakota by one of the standard pollsters is warranted, because even if Obama +2 is an outlier, it's hard to imagine that the actual spread is to McCain's advantage well into the double digits.

I agree that both candidates are spending way to much time in Pennsylvania (although, in retrospect, McCain is welcome to waste more time and money in places like that, Iowa and Minnesota.) It seems like the both of them should be more focused on the tipping point states like Colorado, Virginia, Florida and Ohio.

Fwiffo said...

Somebody poll Arkansas dammit! And more polls of Indiana, West Virginia, North Dakota and Montana.

-- Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin! --

Birchbeer said...

McCain is as erratic about his campaign tone as he is about the economic crisis.

John Lewis went out of his way to issue a clarifying statement: I was not equating McCain/Palin with Wallace.

How can McCain not disown a comparison of Obama to Bin Laden by a state chairman of the party he leads? The man who said that should be out of a job.

PS Drudge promotes Miscegenation fears and should be BOYCOTTED!! Go anywhere else.

Snax said...

Sean/Nate - any idea whether Selzer will be polling Indiana again anytime soon?

Abby said...

Great news for McCain today! IBD/TIPP poll has historically been very accurate. 45-43 for Obama with 12% undecided and the poll was taken before the good news on Wall Street today. Undecideds likely to break strong for McCain. RNC/McCain sitting on $160 million in ad money for final weeks. NRA sitting on $40 million. Dow up almost 1000. Don't be surprised to see this thing turn big for McCain/Palin down the stretch.

moondancer said...

The big news I read in these numbers is Oklahoma is stupid stubborn...

Seriously, Obama/Plouffe are going to look genius after this pasting. They buy a hand illuminated copy of "My Pet Goat" for the chimps library.

prairiecomm said...

yeah, I've been wondering about AZ also ...

realistxxx said...

Darío said...
Nate, what do you think?.
The "end" of the financial crisis help McCain or not?.

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One big day on Wall St. is not the end of the financial crisis. But let's assume things don't tank in the next 3 weeks.

My guess, McCain stops the bleeding and as in most campaigns closes the gap some. Too little too late.

Besides he has no positive messages or issues to run on.

The financial crisis, completely made this campaign 100% about the issues and 90% of those issues are the economy.

Most people were hurting before the housing collapse and the market crash. They haven't stopped hurting and those like me that were doing well, just started hurting in our home equity, investments and 401K's.

I don't feel nearly as wealthy as I did this past spring.

realistxxx said...

Darío said...
Nate, what do you think?.
The "end" of the financial crisis help McCain or not?.

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One big day on Wall St. is not the end of the financial crisis. But let's assume things don't tank in the next 3 weeks.

My guess, McCain stops the bleeding and as in most campaigns closes the gap some. Too little too late.

Besides he has no positive messages or issues to run on.

The financial crisis, completely made this campaign 100% about the issues and 90% of those issues are the economy.

Most people were hurting before the housing collapse and the market crash. They haven't stopped hurting and those like me that were doing well, just started hurting in our home equity, investments and 401K's.

I don't feel nearly as wealthy as I did this past spring.

Alyssa said...

edgeways said...
"again.. why the hell does OK get polled so often?"

To give McCain some..any.. good news?

Alex S. said...

Let´s see if McCain´s momentary return to decency wins a few undecideds. But it seems the momentum will be with Obama for the rest of the campaign. There is the debate on wednesday, the upcoming release of record donation numbers and Obama´s TV special.
Right at the moment, Obama can expect 380 EVs I think. All the obvious swing states + West Virginia. I heard Obama also leads in Georgia with early voters, but currently, his advantage isn´t big enough to win it yet. So yes, the next EVs to go into Obama´s column are North Dakota, Omaha, and Montana if anyone polled it with Ron Paul.
I don´t think there´ll be other states that´ll show a blue result before election day. But if McCain loses some of the hardcore support (if he tries to go for the moderate vote) I can see the whole deep south going blue, except from Alabama.

interstices said...

I just noticed a mistake on the Electoral Vote Distribution graphic. There are no red markers!

Wait...now I see them.

Interesting that there are two points in the distribution where the simulations have a seven percent chance of about 370 electoral votes for Obama, and another point with a nearly eight percent chance of somewhere around 380 electoral votes. Either of those two outcomes have a greater chance of happening than McCain winning.

PeteKent said...

Under A Spotlight
Obama may have peaked too soon for his own good. I think he would rather have arrived at this point a week before the election not three weeks out.
Now he has to defend his lead for a long period of time. A virtual eternity in this electoral cycle.
With such an air of apparent victory surrounding him, the news narrative ought to shift not from the horserace which has become predictably dull, but to the notion of what an Obama Presidency portends.
The media would be well advised to plumb the depths of Obama’s policy prescriptions and his political leanings so as to reveal fully to the electorate the presumptive qualities and qualifications of the near-President Elect.
The bland generalities and the ducking of the questions regarding how his economic and other policies must be revised in light of recent events in the financial markets and the likelihood of a significant recession continuing deep into his administration, will not do. Much more in the way of specifics will be demanded.
Obama must be called to account and called to task of he does not expose himself to the necessary scrutiny.

Shame on the media if they let him sit on his lead.

I doubt the public will stand for it. Obama has been the beneficiary of the biggest financial collapse in 100 years. He has done nothing to deserve the lead he has. It is time now for him to earn it.

More power to President Obama if he withstands scrutiny rather than evades it.

Another Mike said...

Nate, I'd love to know how many times Obama wins NE-2, not just wins it as the deciding factor in the election.

Per state poll chart, Nate projects Obama to win NE-2 32% of the time; roughly 3,200 times out of 10,000 in his simulations.

Darío said...

McCain is not a racist.
Palin is (and ignorant too).

thatmarvelousape said...

"Just a guess, but McCain catching up in Oregon might be due to vote by mail."

Uh, McCain isn't catching up in Oregon, he's collapsed and is now facing a possible 20 point loss.

John said...

Drudge is reporting tomorrow's Zogby tracking poll:

Obama 49
McCain 43

Obama's lead went up 2 points

..but jack-be-stupid told us that McCain would go up 2 points :(

nick said...

Hey, this is great news for McCain. He's got Obama right where he wants him. See, what he never told you, was he's actually been trying to annihilate his party by losing as dramatically as possible. How maverick-y of him!

Alyssa said...

I'm very interested/curious about AR too.
Last recent polls:
9/22 M+9
9/21 M+12

Lisa said...

Hey! In McCain's speech today he said "We got 'em right where we want 'em!"

Cool. Let's make McCain happy and keep things right where they are. :-)

thatmarvelousape said...

We've been hearing this "Obama peaked too soon" nonsense for weeks now, but I do love Republican wishful thinking now boiling down to vague nonsense with no ties to any factor in the real world beyond their delusional inability to comprehend the electoral slaughter that they're facing.

WTF said...

great results all around. I know the National Review crowd is crowing about the IBD/TIPP poll, so it begs the question: why is it weighted so (comparatively) low?

Another Mike said...

Ohio still seems too squirrly to rely on if the race tightens.

For whatever reason, Ohio has not moved nearly as much into the Obama camp as other states. There was a time when it was more likely to go Obama than CO or VA or FL. Perhaps, Ohioans are just immune to campaigning because they've been the focus of it for so long.

Lawrence said...

I'm thinking that Wednesday's debate will have most of the undecided voters choosing one way or the other, and that Obama's win percentage will jump above 97% by Friday.

Seal the deal, Barack. Seal the deal.

Alyssa said...

I'm going to be a maverick for Halloween.

Charles Crook said...

I'm still thinking that a WV campaign stop in in the works.

And I'm wondering whether Bill would make a stop in Little Rock.

jackleone said...

In a stunning development, Emperor Bush issues an executive order stating that OK now gets 200 EVs.

Simon said...

PeteKent said...
"Obama must be called to account and called to task of he does not expose himself..."

Petey, Petey, Petey - you know Obama's up by a lot if YOU think McCain can only win if Obama exposes himself on national TV.
Or maybe you just want to see him naked.

Matt said...

John, since the Zogster has screwy party ID (D +2 or something ridiculous like that), I think it's fair to tack an extra 3-4 percent onto any lead Obama has in a Zogby poll.

Good number for BHO.

moondancer said...

Folks today's rally has nothing to do with the financial crisis. It's still the first quarter and the banks are all still busted. All of them. Unemployment is going to spike and because of all the money Paulson printed inflation will follow. There is no quick fix.

MrInsight22 said...

At a rally, a woman opined that Barack is an Arab. mccain responded: "No ma'am, he's not. He's a decent family man."

WTF? Why does JM think being an Arab is inherently inconsistent with being a decent family man? Can't an Arab be a decent family man?

McCain's brain cramps continue.

Will Cooley Fan Club said...

Like Alyssa, I am interested to know what is going on in Oklahoma that it's poling completely against the tide. I realize that its a red state, but for McCain's numbers to be improving by double digits there seems wacky. Did I miss a major event?

thatmarvelousape said...

"Shame on the media if they let him sit on his lead."

Haha, you're begging the media to turn into McCain's propaganda arm, when what McCain needs to do is convince voters that he offers a positive agenda. He's got nothing anyone wants, and despite your bizarro world attacks on Obama, the reason he's established a dominant lead is because people have embraced his agenda (which is far more detailed and coherent than McCain's).

Don't believe me? Watch the candidates' speeches from today. Obama focused on concrete economic policy while McCain whined about the polls.

And nice language about "who deserves to be in the lead." That really expresses the elitism of the corrupt GOP and their refusal to take responsibility for their party's complete failure. Sorry Pete, you don't get to decide who 'deserves' a lead. The American people do and they're choosing Obama.

Congratulations to President-Elect Obama!!! said...

Arkansas will be the first "solid red" state you're going to see flip in a landslide. Especially with Bill Clinton on Obama's side.

David Brown said...

I sure am glad Obama does not NEED Ohio.

Anyone else get the sense McCain is playing "whack a mole"? Every state he ignores for a bit turns blue... now he has to put out a fire in MO. He is just spread too thin and something has to go...

Give up on PA, upper midwest, etc...

Focus entirely on VA, NC, FL, OH, MO, IN, CO and NV. I realize that the odds of McCain winning all of these states are rather small, but spending time and money in PA where he is trailing by double digits is a luxury he just can't afford.

PorridgeGun said...

Fuck you, RCP. Nate Silver has Obama +10 in Gallup. And quite rightly too.


A couple of insignificant, but still surprising endorsements for Obama:

http://slate.com/id/2202163

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5j5EWRC22Nx_phjXpenOArhNeOUew

Alex S. said...

Pete Kent says:
"The bland generalities and the ducking of the questions regarding how his economic and other policies must be revised in light of recent events in the financial markets and the likelihood of a significant recession continuing deep into his administration, will not do. Much more in the way of specifics will be demanded."

Ah come on, don´t be so hard on McCain/Palin.

Alyssa said...

Is there any info on the 30 min blocks Obama has for tv?
I'm really curious about the... content/locations/how many/etc.

Darío said...

MrInsight, Palin will destroy the country with her racism and populism.

Patrick said...

Ha ha McCane's victory percentage = Obama's chance of winning Arizona.

Akoolromeo said...

eponymous said...
Thank God Oklahoma isn't going to the Godless Communists.

What was that? We don't hate them anymore? Well shoot. The uh, the extremist Muslims then.


On a more serious note, if I see McCain campaigning in Iowa one more time... And why was Obama in Pennsylvania? Why not Colorado, or Virginia, or Florida, three states much more likely to put him over the top? I guess it may have to do with national media coverage, but I fail to see how a Democrat campaigning in Virginia isn't just as good a story.

********
I said the same thing. The fact that both Obama and McCain has been spending a lot of time and money in Pennsylvania, a state that supposedly has Obama up by more than 10, makes you wonder if their internal polls shows the race closer than we know.
As far as Florida, maybe it's because I lived here too long, but I will be surprise if Obama wins Florida. The polls seems to be split. There seem to be as many polls that have McCain ahead, as Obama. One would think Obama would spend more time in Florida, than Pennsylvania, if thelead in PA is over 10.

Alyssa said...

@will cooley

Have you ever BEEN to OK? It's far from Ok.

Matt W said...

McCain's numbers have not been improving in OK they are consistent. To those surprised McCain is ahead there...Have any of you ever been to OK? It is VERY red, like Utah red.

fl dem said...

to markedman from previous thread:
log on to barackobama.com and MAKE CALLS. call florida -- we could use the help.

it doesn't matter if you don't live in a battleground state. that is the most amazing aspect of ground game meeting technology.

if we all spent less time reading and posting on 538, we could make a huge difference. :)

RedHawksO4 said...

Tick tock...tick tock...McCain is...

Well he's certainly in trouble. Only 3 weeks go!


Electoral Votes Contest

Quadrivium said...

Heh. Dick Morris has Obama winning Tennessee and Arizona:

http://w3.newsmax.com/a/morrismap/

LJay said...

wow
been checking these projections for a while now
decided to finally post because i can't contain my excitement

1st the gallup poll
now i see mccain's win-% dwindling again
all we need is obama to shine in his final debate (which he will)

i'm regaining faith in humanity little by little

thatmarvelousape said...

Pete's bizarro world is hilarious. Even the McCain campaign has admitted that they last thing they want is for people to pay more attention to Obama's economic agenda.

Buckeye Joe said...

Banking votes in Ohio

After canvassing yesterday for the Obamanista campaign and voting early today, I am quickly losing my skepticism that Ohio will be able to do the right thing. After being blamed for Bush II in 2004, Ohio seems uphill both ways for McCain.

The Obama canvass list is pure gold, and as we mark off self-identified strong Obamists and already voted, the next day of canvassing just rolls on to other areas. And I'm not worried about McCain adopting this strategy because they just can't. No organization, no volunteers. I signed up at the McCain website, and get lit in the mail, but NO visits, no calls. Just silence and RNC ads on the TV.

The early voting location was operating smoothly, and there 125 votes an hour, 75% African-American. Those are working folks that will not have to wait in line on Nov. 4, and each hour counts as a voting machine-day.

The most beautiful thing was the groups coming in to vote, smiling faces, fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, dropping their votes in the big box. This election, "those people" (to paraphrase McCain) will vote. Those votes are on paper in ink, and can be counted and recounted. They will tell the same tale: Obama will win Ohio.

Charles Crook said...

Obama's campaign is not playing defense, nor sitting on a lead; but continues to press the attack on all fronts.

Regardless of whether his campaign is using the "wither on the vine" strategy of Adm Halsey, the "path of least resistance" of Napoleon, or the "overwhelming force" of Gen Powell, the campaign holds the initiative and the momentum, and dictates the terms of combat.

On the opposite side, McCain seems to be giving chase to EVs that no longer exist, like Hitler's phantom divisions.

STepper said...

Looks like Abby is on crack. I don't even look at PeteKant or RWC anymore. They are complete nut jobs.

Alyssa said...

@alex s


ZING!

Another Mike said...

I realize that its a red state, but for McCain's numbers to be improving by double digits there seems wacky.

Actually, down by 31 points is a 5 point improvement in the polls for Obama in one week.

moondancer said...

Why is RNC sitting on that money? Do they want to see how far from behind they can come?
And I'd like to see more frequent polls on Ore senate, Minn senate, Shays house in Conn, and the Musgrove rumble in Miss.

Pierre said...

I think the whole "Obama peaked too early" argument is bullocks. If anything, it was McCain who peaked too early. This was and always has been, after all, a Democratic year. McCain would have only been able to get one huge surge to put him over the top and he's already burned through that.

He had a great story coming out of the Rep Convention. He had a popular and charismatic running mate, he gave probably the speech of his life, and he was high-flying in the polls. But then he burned his lead with some very stupid tactical decisions:

1) criticizing as sexist every attack -- real or perceived -- against Palin, culminating in the "pig on lipstick" controversy.

2) the "sex education for 6 year old" ads. What the hell was he thinking?

3) he let himself think and then spoke what he thought leading to "the fundamentals of the economy are strong."

McCain has no more tricks to pull out of his hat at this point. He has already used every single attack he can against Obama and has promised not to use Rev. Wright -- whose effectiveness would be questionable to begin with.

He may tighten the race but Obama still has several lines of attack that he has not used to full potential; Keating 5 and Palin's ethics findings in Alaska come to mind.

The RNC may be sitting on tens of millions but, at some point, they are going to have to make a strategic decision: spend the money on McCain or spend it on a host of down ticket races that are trending badly.

As for the NRA and other right-leaning groups, their only lines of attack are the tired attacks they have been using against Democrats for years -- he's anti-gun, he'll kill babies, he's anti-troop -- and I think Americans are plain sick of that BS.

Just my two cents.

Matt said...

The Chris Hitchens endorsement is almost enough to make me re-consider my support of Obama. Odious drunk.

MrInsight22 said...

Ever since McCain jumped the shark on September 22 with his suspension stunt that tied his fate to the much-hated bailout, I have wondered if McCain is trying to throw the election. I have even more reason to think that today.

In a press avail, Steve Schmidt said that Mccain would continue to attack Ayers but would not touch Reverend Wright. WTF?

Swing voters could not care less about Barack's ties to Ayers.

The only sustained stormy period for Barack in the primaries was when the media focused on Wright's antiwhite, antiAmerican rantings from the pulpit. A revisit of the Wright greatest hits could inflict some damage. But the genteel bipartisan McCain won't go there. What a moron.

Regardless of whether Barack deserves to win, McCain deserves to lose.

I may end up voting for Barack in November like I did in the CA primary before I turned against him after reading about his coverup of his background in Chicago and Indonesia.

oct said...

First this is great news for BO, but it begs the criticism.

Why spend any more time in PA?

Jesus, enough already. Go to the other 49 states in the Union. Ohio is a good start. FL seems like a good idea. Go to NC, WV, MO, and CO. Go somewhere else, esp. with this map.

thatmarvelousape said...

Oh and pubbies, I've got bad news for you. If you think Obama has 'peaked,' just wait. We're going to see 54-55% in the final weeks.

Charles Crook said...

Unable to count:

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/10/13/mccain_campaign_exaggerates_crowd_size.html

"The Virginia Beach Fire Marshal's office estimated the size of the crowd to be 12,000. A McCain campaign spokeswoman claimed the crowd size was 25,000, but the Convention Center's capacity is only 16,000."

CA Hawkeye said...

Thanks Nate:

WoooHooo!!! It's getting hard to detect any red in the EVD graph.

Man, Gallup is trying to cover all the bases. They're turning into slop.

MO, ND!!! What's left?

GOBAMA!

One$Earned said...

√ Scott Rasmusssen was just on Fox (Fix) News and states that only a different news topic, eg. Iraq will likely change the polling outcome.

He says that McCain can't throw another 'Hail Mary', there's only two jokers in the deck, and McCain/Palin have used both of them.

Charles Crook said...

"He says that McCain can't throw another 'Hail Mary', there's only two jokers in the deck, and McCain/Palin have used both of them."


" there's only two jokers in the deck, and McCain/Palin ARE both of them.

mc9cain said...

One thing I was looking at today was the poll in New York showing Obama 64 McCain 31. In 1992, Clinton won New York 68 to 31. A junior Senator, first time candidate getting the type of support that an incumbent President got.

This is telling us something that's also showing up in ND and WV. And that something is a huge massive wave of support for Barack that is about 100 yards from shore and will come to a peak about Nov 4.

The previous NY SUSA poll on 9.24 was 57/38 Obama. So this latest poll is gaining every previously undecided person in two weeks in the state of New York. That's HUGE.

thatmarvelousape said...

Great points Pierre, it does indeed seem that McCain was the one who 'peaked' too early. Of course, Pete's talking points about Obama aren't his own. I first heard Tony Blankley make this irrational and substance-free argument on Friday, and I'm sure it's now been disseminated thoroughly among the true believers.

The fact of the matter is that polling is becoming less and less relevant as we head towards the final two weeks. Things are beginning to solidify, and what really matters is GOTV.

That is what Obama is focused on, and while McCain flails on camera and whines about the national polls, Barack is sealing the deal with his economic proposals and getting his people to the voting booths.

Alyssa said...

The Dick Morris map has been a joke all election season.

fl dem said...

nate, do you think there's a way to quantify the effect of lack of repub enthusiasm and/or malaise by mccain's polling (as in, "why should i bother to vote?") leading up to the election? i'm wondering if coefficients for either were significant in past elections and could be an indication of inflated repub "likely voters" at this point?

Abbie Nermal said...

I'm going to be a pig with lipstick for Halloween.

(don't look now, but no signs tonight of HE)

CA Hawkeye said...

These polls are GREAT NEWS!!! For JOHN MCCAIN!!!!!!

:)

Just had to cheer up the Repubs here - except for Peter.

slicknickshady said...

Come on Selzer...Do some polling girl. She's money in the bank.

Charles Crook said...

"'m going to be a pig with lipstick for Halloween."

Now, if I can just find a pumpkin to carve into a pig...

dwbh said...

Wow. Even the TVPoll in Oklahoma is trending Obama's way.

thatmarvelousape said...

Rasmussen is a fool to buy his own "issues" polling, in which he constructs questions to encourage the conservative answer.

As anyone in the real world knows, Iraq is a losing issue for the GOP. If it blows up, we're going to see the presidential equivalent of 2006. Right now, we're facing the best case scenario for McCain regarding Iraq, but nobody cares. That's good. McCain only has a chance if nobody cares about Iraq.

STepper said...

Dick Morris is clearly on crack - again. He has Obama winning Arizona, among others, and McCain with only 36 certain EV.

Dick Morris is just so much smarter than the rest of us.

Actually, he is counting on everyone not remembering his idiocy. Will it work? Works on Fox "News"! All the time. He is Bill O'Riledup's No. 1 political anal-yst.

Laugh at him here: http://w3.newsmax.com/a/morrismap/

What a jerk off. Oh. I forgot. Morris like that.

Matt W said...

Nate Silver said...
"Overall, our model looks at the polls that were in the field yesterday -- these include all of the Rasmussen and SurveyUSA polls that we just mentioned -- and thinks it was his second-strongest individual polling day of the year, trailing only one day in early February."

A SUNDAY!!! was Obama's best polling day since February!!! Obama has tended to poll poorly on the weekends, that is really significant. I think it suggests that the demographics of his supporters are changing/broadening.

Burt said...

Not surprising that Oklahoma is still bright red - it was one of only two states where John Kerry didn't win a single county in 2004. The other was Utah.

I have hope for the other 48 states, but as for those two....

sfergus483 said...

There were rumors earlier today that the Ariz Repub (the main paper in the state) was sitting on a poll with McC 48, Obama 45.5, and they decided to go back and poll again. So who knows?

MikeJonesOK said...

Hey, I can think of at least 10 Oklahomans who are voting for Obama. And I am one of them ;) I rather be in NY though. Trying get this state blue is like trying to get McCain to stay still at the Debate last Tuesday.

Michael said...

Nate, you might need to change the histogram to logscale - getting pretty hard to see McCain there.

k said...

Hey, Awesome post! And to those people saying the RNC should redistribute their money, if its anything like what their "strategy" has been in Iraq, they will keep on funding the campaign till the bitter end. They don't believe in cut and run, its the cowards/limp wristed liberal way out. Remember?

slicknickshady said...

I want an Idaho, Arkansas, South Dakota, and Montana poll.

lol.

Hey..Chuck Todd also wants an Arkansas poll so there. lol.

Another Mike said...

Why is RNC sitting on that money? Do they want to see how far from behind they can come?

They should put that money into GOP Senatorial and Congressional races in an attempt to prevent the impending wipeout of their party if they were smart. Perhaps that's the plan.

markedman said...

can someone please explain to me the Dick Morris map and where the hell it comes from?!?!

mc9cain said...

My guess is that the PA internals indicated support but it was soft. Perhaps a ton of Hillary voters leaning Obama. So he had to go there to get their FIRM support. I think his work is done and there are many days left on the calendar. They are planning on 3 speeches a day in some of these states PLUS non-stop commercials in those contested states.

prathap said...

I have posted this issue earlier and people seem to brush it off saying i am being too delusional.
Let me reiterate it again, there is a massive storm brewing up in philly court due to a lawsuit
filled by Mr. Berg and by no means it will go away. It is about BO's birth cert credentials and
it sounds authentic to me. Mr. Berg has vowed it would take the case to supreme court to stop the
electoral college count if it warrants. Infact right wingers are comparing this episode to john
edward's famous 'tabloid trash'. I am still wondering why doesnt BO campaign get over it by
submitting a valid cert rather seeking to dismiss the case which may lead to constitutonal crisis.
How many of you are aware of this ??? any thoughts all suggestions welcome.

One$Earned said...

Is there anyway to anticipate with empirical data or historical data how on election day, the race will be tighter than the polls reflect on one or two days before the election?

The race will tighten, it seems to always happen, what drives that predictable occurrence.

Chi said...

Who the f*ck leaks the 'Zombie' and 'RasMOOsen' numbers to Matt Drudge?

Alyssa said...

Ahh the good ol' days of Piggygate. That phrase will forever make me laugh.

Brittany said...

To you folks making comments about Oklahoma, remember at least 1 in 3 of us is not voting for McCain. Also, I feel like the polls are not representing what I see, but I live in OKC, and it is a lot different than the rest of the state. That being said, I've talked to Obama supporters in the most random places, and there is a new Obama office opening in OKC on Wednesday. I also heard today from the Rice campaign that their internals show the Senate race against Inhofe tightening up, and Rice equaled Inhofe's fundraising this past quarter. :)

moondancer said...

re: great news for McCain

He had to hold himself back today from claiming victory. His double top secret last minute super duper victory plan is dazzling.

Alyssa said...

markedman said...
"can someone please explain to me the Dick Morris map and where the hell it comes from?!?!"


His ass?

thatmarvelousape said...

prathap,

Go read factcheck.org and don't post conspiracy theory bullshit here.

Shap said...

Alyssa, I laughed out loud. Thank you.

eve said...

jackleone said...

"In a stunning development, Emperor Bush issues an executive order stating that OK now gets 200 EVs."


Ha! Fortunately, Bush doesn't like McCain and probably doesn't care who wins the election.

robinski said...

I just love to look at that Super Tracker-graph. Every day the red and yellow lines look pretier.

STepper said...

Dick Morris' map is divined by his crack ho.

erstwhiler said...

New question/random (hopeful) thought.

With McCain looking unattractive, and Bush walking away from a lot of core conservative idealogy, I was wondering if Bob Barr or some other ultra-right candidate might rise up a bit and play an inverse Nader role?

hurn0003 said...

prathap :

Shut up troll. We don't need you astroturfing here.

markedman said...

II don't know much about him, but I always thought Dick Morris was a staunch conservative

I guess not considering that insane democratic map?

I don't get it


why?

prathap said...

thatmarvelousape :
I am not reading out a conspiracy here. That lawsuit is infact against factcheck.org, it says it's a forged doc and not authentic one. You check it urself on youtube or google it for more info. I state again i am an independent but i dont want a drama at the end !

Alyssa said...

@shap

Glad to be of help! :)

Laughing... it's my favorite.

cher said...

Great work today Nate. The polling is fantastic and the interview with you in The New Yorker was great. The Drudge photo of a kiss is really sick. I assume that Barack was running onto the stage and kissed someone and that this is being turned into something sick isn't it? I worry that I might wake up some day soon and find that this is all a dream and that people suddenly are effected by something as stupid as that. Scared no matter how great the polls are. I suppose if you are as old as me and a Democrat it is for good reason!

thatmarvelousape said...

Oh wow, YouTube! You're not reading out a conspiracy because you're a fucking idiot.

Go take your meds and lay off the astroturf...

prathap said...

To hurn0003 ,
come on dude give me substance than dissing me off.

Darkduke77 said...

"Great news for McCain today! IBD/TIPP poll has historically been very accurate. 45-43 for Obama with 12% undecided and the poll was taken before the good news on Wall Street today. Undecideds likely to break strong for McCain. RNC/McCain sitting on $160 million in ad money for final weeks. NRA sitting on $40 million. Dow up almost 1000. Don't be surprised to see this thing turn big for McCain/Palin down the stretch."


How is that good news?

That is actually bad.

McCain has proven that he has no clue on the Issue and if the market were to get better (Which by no means has!Consider banks were closed today.Which is a good reason for the jump.)That it would help Obama.

He showed unbelievable leadership with the Bailout and The issue at hand.

PorridgeGun said...

Christopher Hitchens on McCain/Palin:

But the difference in character and temperament has become plainer by the day, and there is no decent way of avoiding the fact. Last week's so-called town-hall event showed Sen. John McCain to be someone suffering from an increasingly obvious and embarrassing deficit, both cognitive and physical. And the only public events that have so far featured his absurd choice of running mate have shown her to be a deceiving and unscrupulous woman utterly unversed in any of the needful political discourses but easily trained to utter preposterous lies and to appeal to the basest element of her audience. McCain occasionally remembers to stress matters like honor and to disown innuendoes and slanders, but this only makes him look both more senile and more cynical, since it cannot (can it?) be other than his wish and design that he has engaged a deputy who does the innuendoes and slanders for him.

I suppose it could be said, as Michael Gerson has alleged, that the Obama campaign's choice of the word erratic to describe McCain is also an insinuation. But really, it's only a euphemism. Anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear had to feel sorry for the old lion on his last outing and wish that he could be taken somewhere soothing and restful before the night was out. The train-wreck sentences, the whistlings in the pipes, the alarming and bewildered handhold phrases—"My friends"—to get him through the next 10 seconds. I haven't felt such pity for anyone since the late Adm. James Stockdale humiliated himself as Ross Perot's running mate. And I am sorry to have to say it, but Stockdale had also distinguished himself in America's most disastrous and shameful war, and it didn't qualify him then and it doesn't qualify McCain now.

The most insulting thing that a politician can do is to compel you to ask yourself: "What does he take me for?" Precisely this question is provoked by the selection of Gov. Sarah Palin. I wrote not long ago that it was not right to condescend to her just because of her provincial roots or her piety, let alone her slight flirtatiousness, but really her conduct since then has been a national disgrace. It turns out that none of her early claims to political courage was founded in fact, and it further turns out that some of the untested rumors about her—her vindictiveness in local quarrels, her bizarre religious and political affiliations—were very well-founded, indeed. Moreover, given the nasty and lowly task of stirring up the whack-job fringe of the party's right wing and of recycling patent falsehoods about Obama's position on Afghanistan, she has drawn upon the only talent that she apparently possesses.

It therefore seems to me that the Republican Party has invited not just defeat but discredit this year, and that both its nominees for the highest offices in the land should be decisively repudiated, along with any senators, congressmen, and governors who endorse them.

With McCain, the "experience" is subject to sharply diminishing returns, as is the rest of him, and with Palin the very word itself is a sick joke. One only wishes that the election could be over now and a proper and dignified verdict rendered, so as to spare democracy and civility the degradation to which they look like being subjected in the remaining days of a low, dishonest campaign.

hurn0003 said...

prathap said...

"To hurn0003 ,
come on dude give me substance than dissing me off."

here is some substance: go fuck yourself. Quit your cut and pasting trolling ways. We demand that our trolls at least type out their annoying posts.

gougef said...

Simon said...

PeteKent said...
"Obama must be called to account and called to task of he does not expose himself..."

Petey, Petey, Petey - you know Obama's up by a lot if YOU think McCain can only win if Obama exposes himself on national TV.
Or maybe you just want to see him naked.
----------------------------

ROTFLMAO!

Excellent!

Alyssa said...

@markedman
Rally the troops? Stupidity? All of the above?

Who cares. Clearly wrong wrong wrong.

Note: The title line
Dick Morris Maps 2008
Political analyst extraordinaire DICK MORRIS

thatmarvelousape said...

prathap,

You've denied the substance. You just want to peddle your desperate troll trash.

President Barack Hussein Obama

Get used to it, loser.

prathap said...

To thatmarvelousape ,
ok dude forget youtube, do a search berg vs obama lawsuit and let me know u get it, rather giving me nothing but crap.

newsfromOH said...

From Marc Ambinder:

McCain advisers say they're saving their best material for the last ten days of the race, when, the campaign hopes, three quarters of the remaining undecided voters will make up their minds, and their minds will be concentrating on Barack Obama. When the urgency of the presidential election impresses itself, the hope is that these voters will swing back to the familiar, rather than the unknown. The last ten days, according to a McCain aide, are when the "imponderables" come into play.

slicknickshady said...

I know you are reading this thread selzer. Please do some more polling. :)

edgeways said...

@One$Earned

that is kind of funny considering that Obama "won" the foreign policy debate as well. Somehow I don't think Iraq is going to save McCain's nuts.

Matt said...

"Saving the best material for the last 10 days"!!!

hahahahahahaha!!!

WTF are they waiting for?

PeixeGato said...

RCP moved FL to "Leaning Obama" today.

newsfromOH said...

Damn, too bad I've already voted . . . maybe McCain could have totally swayed me back to the "familiar" (because Sarah and I are LTBFFs!!!)

mc9cain said...

Wow. I had underestimated Rachel Maddow. She is incredible -- not letting these snakes talk bs about moral equivalence. David Frum - sucks to be the dumb one in the room!! You FINALLY got what you had coming to you and a girl did it. HEE HEE She made him say things he didn't want to say. LMAO.

PorridgeGun said...

Now McCain is hearing voices... or is he lying, again?

http://www.americablog.com/2008/10/now-mccain-is-hearing-voices.html

sunshine fortress said...

I was talking about Pennsylvania with some folks this weekend, I actually think it's smart for McCain to campaign there. In order for McCain to win he needs to find some way for the national numbers to tighten quite a bit, going negative hasn't worked, it seems like Ayers isn't sticking. Perhaps the dow gains today will help? Who knows? If I knew how to do it I would be a rich man. McCain needs smart people (or evil Rove types) to figure a way to tighten things up at least a little bit, then he needs to throw all his eggs at Pennsylvania and win that state by any means neccesary.

Think about it, in a tighter race states like Indiana, Missouri, Ohio, Florida, Nevada, North Carolina, perhaps Colorado all can potentially trend back to him, in a close race we can admit at least that these states would be coin flips, granted he needs all the coins to flip his way, or MOST of them if he can somehow steal Pennsylvania. McCain can't be in 10 states at once, not physically or financially. He needs a big event to bring the swing states back. Maybe even changing the poll in Pennsylvania would be enough to create some momentum? But even if it isn't he needs to change the electoral map EVEN IF things tighten up. Bottom line he has to hope beyond hope that the national race tightens up and he has to work beyond work that when that happens Pennsylvania is suddenly in play also.

Also, if there are some McCain shenanigans on election day, and I fear there will be, perhaps with people not showing up as registered at their polling place or being turned away for electioneering (wearing an Obama pin or shirt) or massive electronic voter fraud, these seeds like the Bradley effect, the ACORN scandal and McCains last minute efforts in Pennsylvania will all emerge on November 5th as the reasons why McCain was able to do it.

I'm really scared of this. Republicans are really smart and really good at cheating.

thatmarvelousape said...

DarkDuke,

All you need to know is this:

The desperate McCain supporters are clinging to an outlier for national polling (from a low-rated polling company) and ignoring the state polling. They are not living on the plane of reality.

Jordan said...

What a beautiful blue map...

What pisses me off most about McCain is when he answers questions by saying something like... I know how to do that...and I will as President.

Example: I know how to catch Osama Bin-Laden. I know how to catch him my friends, and I will as President.

If he knows how to catch Bin-Laden, fix the economy etc...then why the hell isn't he telling the current idiotic administration how to. If he really was all about "country first" he wouldn't keep his ideas to himself just so he could a gain political advantage. What a joke... the once respectable man has lost all his credibility and honor.

gougef said...

Alyssa, I laughed out loud. Thank you.

October 13, 2008 8:41 PM
Blogger eve said...

jackleone said...

"In a stunning development, Emperor Bush issues an executive order stating that OK now gets 200 EVs."


Ha! Fortunately, Bush doesn't like McCain and probably doesn't care who wins the election.

------------------------------

Yeah, Bush was pissed that he had to clock back in to deal with the financial crisis.

inxblot said...

Both Rasmussen poll of Ohio, and make one, and less interestingly in the other North Dakota a Rasmussen poll housekeeping, however.
Gallup wants to registered voter results.
Our model considers the way that Obama and stick with West Virginia, Montana, and that is a difficult election to registered voter model when we will do from here forward.
However, Gallup provides two separate likely voter models Likely Voters II model, as of course do the state polls.
Our model is a difficult election to make a Rasmussen poll housekeeping, however.
Gallup provides two separate likely voter model considers the Forum's poll, since the first debate has Obama ahead in four of the past four of the more traditional battleground states would better Bill Clinton's figure of 379 in addition to evaluate.
With that we just mentioned -- and that is no reason to evaluate.
With that our model that cuts 3 points is based on current voting intentions only.
I understand that Gallup wants to give special reverence to use the other North Carolina, and tied in the other North Dakota a 10-point lead, as battlegrounds -- Ohio, Florida, Missouri, North Carolina, and stick with the Likely Voters I which favors Obama even holds the first survey they have released all year, and September polling is that Obama could win on balance toward McCain any, but I would seem to entirely strip out of the more traditional battleground states would total 387 electoral votes, which his campaign abandoned some weeks ago.
Our model is a massive Democratic margin.
Because of 7 points is based on current voting intentions and past four years.
In addition, the year, trailing only I understand that Obama could win on current voting intentions and does not yet perceive any likely voter models: Likely Voters II which goes to make a massive Democratic margin.
Because of their likely voter model handles national polls deserve consideration too, and New York.
Overall, our model handles national polls, neither decision actually advantages Obama even holds the five including his first lead as of North Dakota, a more accurate reflection of the Rasmussen has Obama All you really need to go ahead and make a choice, then I'm going to go ahead in four of the polls that is with everything else, and Virginia -- went to go ahead and make one, and New York.
Overall, our model looks at the polls neither decision actually advantages Obama All you really need to entirely strip out of the polls that the five state they remain strong for McCain in enthusiasm makes me skeptical of the five including his first lead for McCain today.
However, they remain strong for McCain in 2004.
Today, Rasmussen and SurveyUSA released a little bit of North Dakota, a little bit of the way that we just mentioned -- and both ABC/Post and New York.
Overall, our model looks at least, did move on a very good Election Night.
Winning all of the electorate Both Rasmussen poll of the Rasmussen and SurveyUSA polls that we just mentioned -- and tied in the other North Carolina.
SurveyUSA, meanwhile, shows Obama All you really need to be a toss-up -- we will do the state polls.
Our policy since this is that the state polls.
Our policy since the first debate has been to call North Dakota a double-digit lead in a choice, then I'm going to go ahead and make one, and thinks it was his second-strongest individual polling today, and so that's what we just mentioned -- and GQR/Democracy Corps give special reverence to go ahead in four of the more traditional battleground. Both Rasmussen poll of 7 points is based on current voting intentions and does not yet perceive any but I understand that our model is a difficult election to registered voter results.
Our model considers the way that Obama could win on balance toward McCain in 2004.
Today, Rasmussen poll housekeeping, however.
Gallup wants to be a choice, then I'm going to go ahead and make a massive Democratic margin.
Because of 7 points is based on current voting intentions only.
I understand that we just mentioned -- and New York.
Overall, our model looks at the polls neither decision actually advantages Obama and stick with West Virginia, Montana, and make one, and both ABC/Post and Virginia -- went to go ahead and make one, and tied in the other North Carolina.
SurveyUSA, meanwhile, shows Obama All you really need to entirely strip out of the more traditional battleground ..
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However, they remain strong for McCain in enthusiasm makes me skeptical of the more accurate reflection of the electorate Both Rasmussen poll of Ohio, and tied in four of 7 points is based on current voting intentions and past four years.
In addition, the five including his first lead as of North Dakota a double-digit lead as battlegrounds -- Ohio, Florida, Missouri, North Dakota, a little bit of North Dakota, a little bit of the Forum's poll, since the first survey they have released a little bit of the polls deserve consideration too, and thinks it was his campaign abandoned some weeks ago.
Our model is based on a very good Election Night.
Winning all of the state polls.
Our model considers the Forum's poll, since this is a massive Democratic margin.
Because of 7 points is based on current voting intentions only.
I understand that the five state they remain strong for McCain in enthusiasm makes me skeptical of the polls neither decision actually advantages Obama even holds the first debate has been to call North Dakota, a 10-point lead, as battlegrounds -- Ohio, Florida, Missouri, North Carolina, and tied in enthusiasm makes me skeptical of the polls that is that the polls that Obama could win on current voting intentions only.
I understand that we just mentioned -- and both ABC/Post and does not yet perceive any likely voter model considers the way that we just mentioned -- and less interestingly in four of the way that we will do the state they remain strong for McCain today.
However, they remain strong for McCain any, but I would seem to evaluate.
With that we just mentioned -- and make one, and so that's what we will do from here forward.
However, Gallup provides two separate likely voter model handles national polls deserve consideration too, and stick with everything else, and both ABC/Post and that is a difficult election to evaluate.
With that our model looks at the five including his first survey they remain strong for McCain today.
However, they have released a little bit of the polls Our policy since the first debate has been to evaluate.
With that we just mentioned -- and SurveyUSA released all year, and SurveyUSA polls that the more traditional battleground states would better Bill Clinton's figure of the polls that is that Obama All you really need to go ahead and thinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hurn0003 said...

McCain doesn't get it on Iraq. Even many who think we are having success there want us to get out. It is success to no long term end. I would have thought he would have learned in Nam that winning battles doesn't mean winning a war. We have accomplished nothing there politically and there is no promise we ever will.

Chi said...

mc9cain said, "Wow. I had underestimated Rachel Maddow. She is incredible -- not letting these snakes talk bs about moral equivalence. David Frum - sucks to be the dumb one in the room!! You FINALLY got what you had coming to you and a girl did it. HEE HEE She made him say things he didn't want to say. LMAO."

Yup, yup. Rachel Maddow just put the kibosh on Frum.

thatmarvelousape said...

"do a search berg vs obama lawsuit and let me know u get it, rather giving me nothing but crap."

Get it through your head, troll: nobody in the real world gives a shit about the delusions on a bunch of conspiracy theory blogs that have been debunked by credible news organizations. Go worry about whether they faked the moon landing or something... and do it ELSEWHERE. This is a site for people with at least a minimal grasp on the real world.

Matt said...

inxblot, that's either your best effort at a beat poem or a dario parody.

Videophile said...

In another thread earlier today, Right Wing Conspiricist said...

"Wait for the RASMUSSEN POLLS tonight that will show a HALT to Obama's rising poll numbers and the beginning of a MCCAIN SURGE!!

Rasmussen is the TRUE and ACCURATE pollster in this race!"

Well, looks like the surge has been postponed yet again. But as McCain says he's got us right where he wants us. (McCain must be voting for Obama too.)

Matt W said...

If the McCain camp was sitting on an october surprise then they would be taking the high road now. They would position themselves as honest politicians above the nastiness of normal campaigns in order to maximize the "surprise's" impact. The fact that they are running negative in a cheap way now suggests that they have nothing to throw out later.

thatmarvelousape said...

newsfromoh,

Sounds like the same old ineffective smear campaign they've already been running.

PorridgeGun said...

Gotta love Biden!

http://www.americablog.com/2008/10/erratic.html





McCain attended ACORN event 2 years ago

http://www.americablog.com/2008/10/mccain-attended-acorn-event-two-years.html


McCain's BIG comeback speech today plagiarized his 2004 convention speech defending BUSH

http://www.americablog.com/2008/10/mccains-big-comeback-speech-today.html

PorridgeGun said...

Chris Bowers exposes the Washington Post's "objectively wrong and quantifiably unfair" electoral map

http://www.americablog.com/2008/10/chris-bowers-exposes-washington-posts.html

Alyssa said...

prathap...

Is this what you're talking about?

Obama birth cert @ factcheck.org?

thatmarvelousape said...

The last week of an election is not the time to go negative. If he goes hard negative in the last week, he is almost guaranteed to lose in a landslide. A majority of undecideds won't help if your opponent is already over 50%.

edgeways said...

Jesus Christ prathap, what do you want? a FedEx of the original BC delivered to your hands and carbon dated? I'd lay odds that you are one of those 9/11 conspirators as well.

You know when people feel out of control of their lives they become increasingly susceptible to paranoid conspiracy theories?

Congratulations to President-Elect Obama!!! said...

Obama has 10x more of a chance of winning in a landslide than McCain has of winning at all.

Darkduke77 said...

To:thatmarvelousape


I know all about Desperate McCain supporter's

I live in FL :p

5 minutes from The Villages.
Where Falin Palin spoke.

thatmarvelousape said...

Alyssa,

Prathap is ignoring factcheck and other credible journalists because he's a troll. Ignore him or insult him, don't validate him as if he were a real person.

Mark Hussein in VA said...

Folks, as a native Oklahoman, I can assure you these numbers are right on target for OK. Think of the stereotypical deep-south white folks you find in MS, AL. Then, combine that with almost no minority population. Racism is the norm in the rural areas, as is a general xenophobia.

On top of that, many, if not most, Oklahomans would be thrilled with a government based entirely on protestant Christian theology. So, combine Obama's race with the Muslim meme, and it's hard to imagine a less likely person to succeed politically in the state. Perhaps only Farrakhan would be more poorly received than Obama.

Obama will lose by substantially larger margins than either Kerry or Gore, and they both were creamed.

And, consider this: Oklahoma doesn't really like McCain. If this were Huckabee, or if Palin were at the top of the ticket, I could see either of them getting 75% of the vote.

Reporter said...

As a Republican family voting for Obama we also agree the RNC would be smart to invest that money in Senate and Congressional elections instead. At this point McCain and Palin are investments that net a Negative return...literally a waste of money. They just need to turn their backs on McCain and Palin if they want there to be much of a Republican Party remaining after this election.

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

THE NATIONAL NUMBERS WILL TIGHTEN!

ASIA-PACIFIC STOCKS ARE SURGING!

Wait for the McCain/Palin OCTOBER SURGE!

politicalcynic said...

I'm confused (whine). Seems like Obama should be in VA first, CO second, IA third (keep a hand in)and then the weaker blues-Minn and maybe Wisc. He's pretty much tied McCain down in previously red states, and I suppose he's bought battles in Fl and OH-but he doesn't actually need them on this map.

I have to wonder if the McCain/Obama internals aren't showing a completely different world in ALL of these states-PA, VA, CO, OH, FL, NM and IA. Not a clue here, but I'm VERY confused by the strategy on both sides.

Can anyone clarify this for me?

Oh-and if anyone out there talks to the pollsters, can we NOT have polls in the obvious states anymore, and more polls in biggies please? I mean really, how many of us think that OK or CA or NY will even be "close", no less deciding factors here?

Political "massively confused by the strategy" cynic.

Brittany said...

here you go prathap:

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

liberal_defender_of_freedom said...

The RNC spending LESS money on the presidential race is EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR MCCAIN!!!

This has to be a horrible time to be a Republican. Talk about nothing to look forward to for the next decade or so.

Brittany said...

Mark Hussein, please do not tell people that all or most Oklahomans are like what you describe. I can assure you that most people I am around in OKC are not like that.

Alyssa said...

Inxblot sounds like Palin.

A coincidence? I think not.

Fwiffo said...

Oh man, Rachel Maddow is funny tonight. "No-calorie, bacon-flavored aphrodisiac." Classic.

-- Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin! --

One$Earned said...

@mark hussein... good points.

OK, do love their football however and whoever is a part of that program.

LOL

Afsheen said...

Your comment on Clinton in '96 seems to suggest that if Obama doesn't run the tables he won't have as big a mandate.

Let's not forget the majority of voters cast a ballot for a conservative (Perot + Dole) and Clinton only got %42+/- of the national vote.

I don't mind the comparison at all, and I am reading into the statement, but Clinton would have never gotten to that number of EVs without Perot (nor would Clinton have won in '92 without Perot on the ticket).

thatmarvelousape said...

Do Pubbies really think that normal, everyday people care about the wild fluctuations of the stock market? Sorry guys, it's the fundamentals of the economy that matters, and a DOW rally today doesn't change the fact that Bush and McCain's policies led to the collapse of the global financial system. I'm happy to see we've bounced back too, but this is about what's been happening to Main Street for years, not what happened to Wall Street on Monday. The sooner Republicans realize that, the sooner they might see a slight uptick in the polls.

Eric said...

The Republicans generally seem to be running to the hills starting today. Is this some reverse psychology attempt to do something tricky or are they distancing themselves from the inevitable loser? It seems like the latter to me.

CRLIndoland said...

My 74 year old mom started volunteering for Obama today in Maine! She rocks. I could not be more proud. Great poll numbers today!

sfergus483 said...

David Frum, by the way, is Canadian. Funny how he never mentions that,

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

The fundamentals were strong ALL ALONG!

Another Mike said...

The Berg case is a complete joke. Anybody can file a lawsuit for any reason. It's just a fishing expedition to see if Obama's enemies can turn up any dirt on him. Obama did exactly the correct thing in response in moving to dismiss the case, which is exacly what's going to happen.

Matt W said...

The bad news in all this is that McCain no longer seems viable.
The RNC now is putting the bulk of its money to congressional races and the chances of 60 senate seats will be hurt.
I wanted McCain to appear viable to keep the money away from GOPers running for congress.
I think it is ironic that Americans favor divided govt. but hate gridlock. I want 60 senate seats so that FINALLY something can get done.

thatmarvelousape said...

"The fundamentals were strong ALL ALONG!"

Hehe!

I would actually donate to McCain if he'd use that line!

prathap said...

Well brittany, i have been telling all along the ones at factcheck.org and fightthesmears.com are the forged ones. It was busted by an isreali insider group as well.
Check this for facts
http://texashillblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/federal-judge-orders-obama-to-produce-his-birth-certificate/

Brittany said...

Also Mark Hussein in VA,

Oklahoma is not as white as you say. In fact, the rural areas have a lot of Native Americans, which could bode well for Obama in some counties. OKC is more diverse than it is given credit for(15% African American, 10% Latino/Hispanic, 3.5% Native American, 3.5% Asian American).

thatmarvelousape said...

An Israeli Insider group! Do they know the secret of the Crystal Skull?! Where does the Illuminati fit into this?

If only the mighty bloggers of wordpress could get the truth out!