10.12.2008

Today's Polls, 10/12

I've been fighting a bit of a cold on and off for the past couple of weeks, and so I took most of the day to rest and recover and to check a couple of assumptions in our model. But before we get ahead of ourselves, let's look at what we have to work with on a relatively light polling day:



Colorado actually hadn't been polled all that much over the past two weeks or so, so the new PPP poll, giving Obama a 10-point lead there, is a pretty big deal. Note particularly the distinctly large sample size in this poll -- more than 1300 people.

As has been true for most of the post-convention period, Barack Obama appears to have a structural edge in the Electoral College. Colorado is a big part of that. Presently, we are showing a lead for Obama of about 6.5 points in the national popular vote (our model assumes the race will tighten a bit, so we're expecting that number to fall to 5.4 points by Election Day). But if you look at our current estimates in the individual states -- this is the 'snapshot' line in the polling table -- you'll see that we have Obama ahead by at least 8 points in all of the Kerry states, plus the Gore add-ons of Iowa and New Mexico, plus Colorado, plus Virginia. Collectively, those states are worth 286 electoral votes -- well more than Obama needs to win. So while McCain has something like a 6-7 point deficit to make up in the popular vote, the gap is more like 8 points in any set of states that would give him a winning electoral combination.

McCain has a somewhat gentler hill to climb in Nevada, where Mason-Dixon now has him trailing Obama by 2, but this too is a pretty good result for Obama, as Mason-Dixon had shown McCain with a 7-point lead in August.

If you try really hard -- and Matt Drudge is doing his best -- I suppose you can perceive some good news for McCain in the tracking polls, as McCain gained ground in Gallup, Rasmussen and Hotline/Diageo. He lost ground, however, in the Zogby and Research 2000 polls, and there may be a bit of reversion to the mean at work, as Gallup and Hotline had been toward the high end of Obama's range before.

Finally, as for the work I did on the model, what I looked at today is the relationship between state and national polling thus far in this election. It turns out that the state polls have hewed a bit closer to the national polls than I had been assuming before; the battleground states remain in roughly the same relationship to one another as the national polls bob up and down. More detail on this later, but the upshot is that the margins of error in individual states are smaller than I had been assuming; that's why a lot of the blue states look a little bluer, and the red states a little redder, than they did yesterday. This change is slightly favorable to Barack Obama on balance, as it means that the electoral college advantage that I described a moment ago is a bit more potent than I'd thought.

268 comments

Joe said...

Palin attacks Obama on abortion .......is she insane?

I'm amazed she would bring that up...wouldn't her stance on the same issue knock an awful lot of women off any proverbial fence and towards Barack? After all, I think very few people know exactly where she stands on this.

Ah well. The question then is: which person not at all connected with the Obama campaign should mention publicly what Sarah Palin believes? Specifically, that if a sixth-grader is raped and impregnated by her older brother or grandfather, then the girl should be forced to have the baby?

Josh said...

Feel better! Thanks for sticking in there!

Ryan said...

We'd love to have some more FiveThirtyEight readers posting campaign strategy ideas at http://www.OhBoyObama.com .

Marc said...

Wow, 5.9%, this is awesome, and seemingly insurmountable.

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

In the end, McCain will carry the Bush states minus IA and NM but + PA. That will be the final tally.

Darío said...

Palin is an ignorant. (And a religious fundamentalist).

Abbie Nermal said...

Still 3 weeks to go....lets see how the debate goes this week...

Kevin said...

If CO is polling like this, it's a wrap for Obama. To win OH or FL would be nice, but the Kerry + IA/NM/CO path for 273 EVs is just fine by me.

TripWire said...

Everyone, when you have the time, click the McCain ads at the top of the page!!!

It keeps the site going and costs McCain money :)

Sammy said...

So it's just a change in methodology...how disappointing. I'd really prefer that Nate get the election right--this is, after all, the stated goal of this website--instead of creating a more favorable situation for Obama.

Rich Merritt said...

A lot of great discussion on here this week, especially about Congressman Lewis on the issue of hate speech inciting violence. We need no further evidence than this guy, the face of evil, and how his hatred contributed to a violent murder. And he could be one of Sarah Palin's pastors.

Lee said...

I am addcited to this website - absolutely! Thanks Nate and Sean et al. Great job.

American Army veteran in Europe, from Arizona, life long republican voting Obama-Biden 2008!!

My story:

http://www.barackobama-joebiden2008.com/dav173rd.html

NC_voter said...

These polls are great news!!! For Barack Obama!!!

Wow, look at how BLUE that map is!

On this day, October 12th, in 2004, George Bush led John Kerry 47.8% to 47.0%.
For final results, please see Presidential inauguration, January 2005


John Kerry never led in any major tracking poll after this point.


(37) days since the Fundamental Shift towards McCain/Palin

You 'Cons should be getting nervous!

and finally...

Get used to four years of President Barack Hussein Obama!

Josh said...

Is it Nate's fault that Olbermann has strep? If so, Nate, can you go on O'Reilly?

Wa7th said...

Thank you Poll Fairy!!

These polls are GREAT NEWS!!! etc...

Lee said...

BTW "Rich Merrit" love your website - will send you a message later. I too have a blog - very popular - in Europe might wanan exchange links.

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

In the end the Bradley Effect means a Obama loss.

Bush states minus IA and NM but plus PA.

jakam said...

Which one of those polls made North Dakota and Montana nosedive to half their numbers from yesterday?

Aaron said...

At this point the daily Theta decay of the time to election becomes a powerful force in moving
towards Unity.

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

And NH,too. Remember the primary? Obama loses NH and PA due to the Bradley Effect.

J said...

Pollster gives Obama a national lead of 8.3%. Among other reasons, I know 538 has a lower spread because its average is less reactive to daily changes. But as we get closer to the election, should 538 become more reactive? And especially on election eve, could you supplement the usual numbers with what would happen if all the latest polls were accurate?

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NC_voter said...

Hey RightWingDipshit

Obama is leading by double digits in PA, NH, and CO.

Not only will he win them all, but we he will confortably win the president.


You neo-facsists better be preparing for at least eight years of obscurity!

Choke on it.

jakam said...

Is it Nate's fault that Olbermann has strep? If so, Nate, can you go on O'Reilly?

Only if Keith and Nate were making out or something.

barelyajew said...

yadadamean?

Bryan said...

Which one of those polls made North Dakota and Montana nosedive to half their numbers from yesterday?

Strictly speaking, all of them. (He made a change to the model that narrowed the margins of error on all the projections, as described in the post.)

couchpotatoxxx12 said...

Obama is ahead double digits in every recent PA poll. Are you insane? Do you know how many voters that is?

Juris said...

THIRTIETH!!!

couchpotatoxxx12 said...

Yes, now that Obama has the win sealed up, it's time to coattail these people to victory:

Senators: Begich(AK), Hagan(NC), Franken(MN), Merkley(OR), Lunsford(KY), Musgrove(MS), Martin(GA)

Governors: Gregoire(WA), Perdue(NC).

Darío said...

Obama never lead by doule digits in the NH primaries.

1Peter3:15 said...

This interview with Palin is not to be missed:

http://community.adn.com/adn/node/132625

I don't even see how this approach to the report is smart strategy. Talk about Baghdad Bob.

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

Once the NRA starts running the GUN ADS in PA, it's over for Obama there.

That and when McCain finally brings out Wright. And he WILL bring out Wright before the election.

I wonder if folks in heartland small-town America will vote for someone who went to a Church that adopts the "Black Values System" for 20 years?

"Goddamn America" (wait until an ad with this quote is in it with Obama standing next to Wright! I can't WAIT!) It WILL happen! Suck it, libs.

diane2628 said...

Right Wing Conspiracist - which part of the double-digit lead that Obama has consistently held in PA over the last few weeks makes you think that McCain will win there? To believe that, you'd have to have your head pretty far in the sand....or maybe elsewhere?

pakaal said...

I'm traveling from tomorrow, so last week I made the 538 Supertracker, Scenario Analysis, etc., into a desktop background. At the time I figured 90.1% would be about as high as Obama's numbers would get. Two days later it was 90.7% and I had to make a new graph, figuring it couldn't get higher than that.

Then came today. And I have to say, it's a distinct pleasure to have to go through the trouble of making yet another. 94.1%. Holy cow.

Carl Zetie said...

@right wing conspiricist: I realize you only created your ID in the last few days, but you might want to go read some of the backstory on this site before posting such complete nonsense. The Bradley effect is pretty much debunked at this point.

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

Twenty-three days is a LIFETIME in politics, libs!

Darío said...

It´s the economy, stupid.

oct said...

Right Wing Conspiricist --

First learn to spell your own name.

Second what part of getting your ass kicked don't you understand?

seesdifferent said...

RCPolitics didn't want to hear the death knell so they shut out PPP. Otherwise Colorado goes Obama by their rocket science.

Jeff said...

Aaron said...

At this point the daily Theta decay of the time to election becomes a powerful force in moving
towards Unity.


>>Could you be more dramatic!

Cousin Murray said...

This is just about the last site on which anyone should bring up the Bradley Effect. Go try it with a less educated population.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/persistent-myth-of-bradley-effect.html

oxfdblue said...

Nate,

First, feel better. I'm also sitting here with a cold/bronchitis.

Second, I just want to make sure I understand something here correctly. In the EV Distribution chart, your model shows about 700 different ways Obama reaches about 390 electoral votes?

Is that right?

It would be great if you could provide a page with that chart at a large size, it's quite hard to make out some of the info.

Thanks!

TripWire said...

lol RWC, you mean Obama will go HIGHER in the polls??

That is what the trend is suggesting

couchpotatoxxx12 said...

Twenty-three days is a LIFETIME in politics, libs!

Most elections disagree with you, since hardly any presidents overcame a deficit this big and won 3 weeks before the election.

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

Going into election day it will be TOO CLOSE TO CALL!!!!!

MATT J. H. said...

I just watched "THIS WEEK" on ABC found here, and they all discussed the race as if it was over. Personally, I'm not counting my chickens until the last vote is counted early morning on Nov. 5. ...

But the punditry thinks its over.

IL_Grimacѐ said...

Ring Wing Conspiracist, Obama didn't lose anything in the primary because of the "Bradley Effect." Even believing in the Bradley effect is a fundamental misrepresentation of a given set of poll data and looking for it to exist. With polls questioning thousands of people every day is it really reasonable to think that there are millions of Americans who are so paranoid that a complete stranger will read racism into their answer of choosing McCain that they lie and say they're voting for Obama? It's not only unreasonable it's laughable at best. The Bradley effect didn't exist when Bradley was running and any instance of trying inject that it did exist or has come up in subsequent races are people actively looking for it. There are so many reasons why NH ended up going slightly towards Hillary and many reasons why Bradley lost in CA. The entire idea that people would lie to complete strangers when all they have to say is "I like McCain better" is idiotic. People are stupidly looking for anything everything to either worry about or make themselves feel better depending on the outcome they want. The Bradley Effect is nothing but hype. It makes no sense and has always been a fiction.

Robert said...

My current thinking on this is that the only way this is going to be a close election is if McCain somehow overcomes Obama's recent bounce in Florida, and then out-performs expectations in Ohio and Nevada. I think Obama's numbers are looking pretty strong in New Mexico, Iowa and as Nate notes today, in Colorado too. I think there is a chance though that the much discussed "Bradley Effect" will play out differently in Virginia and North Carolina than it will in Ohio.

Racial politics in the South may be more polarized up front than up north- so I would be more concerned about under-performance by Obama in Wisconsin, Indiana, and PA than I would be about it in Virginia- where because of its history I think people will speak straightforwardly about whether they will vote for an African-American for president or not. Regional differential in the Bradley effect has not been as well studied as it needs to be. I also think that the Bradley effect may play differently at the Presidential level than at the state level because voting for president is more of a matter of identity than voting for a senator or governor.

We've been debating this and related points at reframeit.com in our presidential election discussion group-- feel free to join in and comment right alongside Obama or McCain's campaign home page at - http://reframeit.com/groups/5ylfZ4eXsdQ

oct said...

Ding dong the right wing is dead. DNFTT.

Anyway how did Ras get/find McCain 45 pts? Anyone know.

NC_voter said...

LMAO righwingdipshit your fellow klan members were saying the same thing about PA pre-ayers. AND obama's numbers WENT UP!

You are suck a fucking hack.

Hagan will win NC, I promise that.

Hagan lead in polls + Obama historic GOTV + depressed ReThugs = Coattail victory

CA Hawkeye said...

Nate,

Thanks for a good end to the weekend. WoooHoo!!! Look at that blue!

Looking forward to more on the invstigation into the model's performance.

Now let's hope the Chargers can make my weekend complete.

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Right Wing Conspiricist said...

Obama can't win NC or IN without ACORN stealing it. Even Lindsey Graham said so.

Because BHO is too far, far out to the left for the average North Carolinian or Hoosier.

winniechili said...

Most elections disagree with you, since hardly any presidents overcame a deficit this big and won 3 weeks before the election.

Is there ANY president who has overcome something like that in the electoral projections? Popular vote I'm sure, but electoral?

Micifus said...

hey nate


do you think Prop 8 is gonna pass in California?

don't panic said...

@ oxfdblue,
it is not 700 'different' ways to 390, its that in 700/10000 simulations that is the result. most of them would use the same path.

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

Past performance is no guarantee of future results, libs!

Adam said...

"Even Lindsey Graham said so."

Oh, well clearly *he's* a completely non-biased source.

I guess all those NC polls are polling ACORN's fake voters too, right?

Man, you crack us up.

Jen said...

Right Wing "Conspiricist"-

Can you post with something constructive instead of retardisms please? It would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Jen

John Nail said...

RightWing - get a life...do you actually read anything or analyze it yourself or just troll sites like this?

David said...

Ah, it was a structural change. I was feeling that states were being too close than they should have.

Anyway, on prop 8 I hope it fails. I feel like a member of the gay community, even though I'm straight. I really want equal rights to prevail here.

NC_voter said...

RCW isn't really a repub. Just some troll taking on the characteristics of someone most likely to irritate folks on this site.

Ignore him please. I'll start.

SalP7 said...

Absolutely, Drudge is going his best to spin it for McSame. He has breaking news from Zogby ... Obama +4 ... developing. Also, he pretty much ignored Friday's TrooperGate findings. And yet Chris Cillizza of the Washington Post/Fix claims "It's easy to lapse into the tired old logic that Drudge is nothing more than a conservative mouthpiece returning to his roots as election day nears." http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/drudge-ology_101_softening_tow.html

Adam said...

Oh, and RWC:

If you *did* actually convince someone that it was a close race that was in danger, that'd just convince us to donate more money, spend more time volunteering, etc. Is that what you had in mind with these inane posts? :)

oct said...

Lindsey Graham is lucky he lives in SC. His policies brought the Banking system to its knees. Otherwise he would be added to the unemployment list with McConnell and Dole and Coleman.

Mark Hussein in VA said...

Rich Merritt said...

And [Phelps] could be one of Sarah Palin's pastors.

What is the basis for this statement? Is there really a connection, or are you just hypothesizing that they're kindred spirits?

If there really is a connection, and people think Rev. Wright is bad, boy, they haven't seen anything yet. If Palin is associated with this spawn of evil, she can kiss her political future good-bye.

pizzuti said...

Where can we get information about how much of a state has already voted?

I am in Colorado - I voted by mail on Friday - and do canvassing for Obama. On Saturday I'd say that about 2 percent of my contacts already voted, 3 days after the first ballots were mailed out. In a week I woudldn't be surprised if that number is up to 20 percent, which would help "lock in" a lot of undecided voters.

Most of the people who vote by mail here are older, so it's a good thing that the mail-in-votes begin coming in when Obama is at an all-time strength in that group. Senior Citizens are also most likely to be persuaded by John McCain's "OBAMA IS SCARY" message, so it's good that these votes are being locked now and those voters are taken off the table.

Will pollsters start asking who has already voted, and give breakdowns on who they voted for, verses the polling averages of everyone left?

Jen said...

"Only if Keith and Nate were making out or something."

_________________________________

That is kinda hot in a weird way. I think I need to get out more.

EmonOkari said...

RWC is Mule. Same little boy.

Dave Barnes said...

Nate,

Let's get one thing straight here.

You are NOT ALLOWED to be sick or under-the-weather until post 05NOV2008.

We, your selfish readership, are ADDICTED to this site.

,dave

Drew said...

I know it's almost academic at this point but it has to be said. John McCain's campaign is just atrociously bad. It's really as if they never understood that the only meaningful goal is to win the electoral college.
It's unbelievable that a Republican national campaign is this clueless.

Can anyone even begin to explain why McCain is burning money in these four states? Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. McCain has a 1%, a 3%, a 2%, and a 3% chance of winning respectively in these states. How is this a good strategy? Who the hell is in charge of resource allocation for the McCain campaign? These aren't states McCain ever needed to win and never looked like he could win.
McCain should've starting ignoring those states a month ago and gone to a full court press defending CO, VA, MO, NC, IN, FL, OH and NV while ignoring every other state.

madmetrics said...

Hope that you're feeling better! The latest polls look great for Obama, but I'm still a bit concerned about the Bradley effect. Have you tried any adjustments for it?

Overall, I really like your methodology, but there are a couple of areas where you might want to try something a bit different in the regressions: a logit or profit transform on the dependent variable, and stepwise AICc or BIC variable selection instead of significance-based.

Jen said...

Right Wing "Conspiricist" blathered:

"Twenty-three days is a LIFETIME in politics, libs!"

__________________________________

Twenty three days is 23 lifetimes to a fruit fly. Deal with it annoying insect!

IL_Grimacѐ said...

Right Wing Conspiricist is just a desperate fool clinging sadly to any shred of fictitious hope to keep going. Anything that he can tell himself to stave off inevitability and leave in a fairy tale world that simply doesn't reflect reality...wait a minute. Senator McCain are you posting under the name Right Wing Conspiricist? I could have sworn that you didn't know how to use a computer.

CA Hawkeye said...

nate,

Forgot to mention, hope you feel better.

GOBAMA!!!

Joe Benevides said...

Right Wing Conspiricist: It's sick and twisted that you're holding out hope that the racist vote will put your man McShame in the White House. Is that reeeaaally how you'd want the Republitards to win? Would that make you proud? If so, you're a low-life, racist, sicko who epitomizes all the hate that's been thrown at Obama. You're a sick bastard and you should be ashamed of yourself!

Wingy said...

This whole experience -- winning with such a motivated and diverse base of true patriots -- feels so damn special. I can't get over it.

Zev said...

Presently= soon
Currently= now

It's a UofC thing.

NC_voter said...

Remember folks to refer to our next president as: Presdient Barack Hussein Obama

Emphasize the "Hussein" just to spite the racemongering rethuglicans who tried to use it for political advantages

Ed said...

RWC,
The proper way to refer to the senator from South Carolina is Miss Lindsey Graham.

Quadrivium said...

Second, I just want to make sure I understand something here correctly. In the EV Distribution chart, your model shows about 700 different ways Obama reaches about 390 electoral votes?

The tallest spike appears to be at 375 EV, which would be all the states currently blue or white on the map.

The shorter spike just to the right of that, I'm guessing, is at 380, which would be the same states plus West Virginia.

Wa7th said...

RWC blathered...

In the end the Bradley Effect means a Obama loss.


C'mon everyone. RWC is right. Admit it- we're all voting for McCain, no matter kind of pc fluff society forces us to say in public. Nate, Sean, Matt... all of us- we're all votin for McCain, most more than once. Fun's fun, and a joke's a joke, but let's get real.

SalP7 said...

Bast line about Drudge was from Keith Olbermann ...

"Drudge is an idiot with a modem"

Left Wing Conspiricist said...

New news: Utah is trending towards Obama.

Face it, cons! We're heading for a 538-0 Obama/Biden victory!

Jen said...

"Now let's hope the Chargers can make my weekend complete."

They are working on it as are the Dodgers.

eponymous said...

Oh God, now there's two of them...

Scoreboard said...

@left wing conspiricist

ROFL!!!!

Wa7th said...

I think I love you, jen. In a David Cassidy sorta way.

Jen said...

"RWC is Mule. Same little boy."

I disagree. Mule has an anger management problem, but he can be rational when he so chooses.

Darío said...

Kerry was much more liberal than Obama.

Darío said...

Mule is not a right-wing.

gprimos1 said...

Nate,

Are the national poll changes you mentioned anywhere close to being statistically significant at .05 or we going we getting excited about a random movement?

the old perfesser said...

RWC:
After you read Nate's demolition of the Bradley effect hypothesis that some Repubs have been pushing, remember:
The GOP has already set up many possible ways for a voter to tell a pollster why they're not voting for Obama, without admitting that it could be because of race. They can for example say that it's because: he's a Muslim (tho he's not really), he's inexperienced, he's too liberal tax-and-spend, he's connected to criminals etc etc. A voter has lots of ways to say "not Obama" without having to admit "because he's black."
The pollsters are probably reflecting true intentions.

(p)Artisan said...

So Obama's win% went up because of lower uncertainty in the polls. But that implies that with zero uncertainty his win% would be 100, which is untrue. How much would Mccains #s go up if some of the undecideds were thrown in as a random factor in the vote simulations? Just wondering...

Heather Nordquist said...

I agree that RWC is a complete moron.

Update from the Land of Enchantment (NM). Have been out canvassing/calling this week. In all day Saturday could not find one McCain supporter in our small, northern NM town. It felt really good. GOTV meeting is Monday, and we are also voting here already.

Got a call to be a poll worker today as an alternate. The Santa Fe Board of Elections says that they are swamped and working 7 days a week to process all the registrations and Vote by Mail applications. They only hope they can get them all mailed!!! No ACORN here in the rural areas. Registration was done by Obama volunteers. I have been so impressed with the effort.

Hey, Nate, I looked for you at the rally on 9/18, but couldn't pick you out (was working the front of the line to get in). Great job on Colbert last week.

Obamanos

Heather Nordquist said...

Oh, and pizzuti, the already voted count will be available to the campaign through votebuilder. Talk to your field organizer. They have very specific voting goals for each precinct here in NM, as they probably do in CO. They will let you know if they are behind in their goals.

supercalifragilis said...

Like any other news channel, Matt Drudge has an audience and he panders to it. That he is having a bunch of positive news for McCain is of no surprise because it's what his audience is - they want to see ol' John kicking butt regardless of whether that reflects reality or not. Also remember during the primaries he was so over Obama some other websites even suggested he had an Obama bias, so it's not like he's some crazy Republican nutjob or something. He might have a bias, but I'm sure he sees the writing on the wall; he just wants audience.

And you know what? At this point, this is what the Democrats need. Screw the polls, if the D party starts believing their own inevitability they're gonna get screwed. There's no "October surprise", "kill whitey" or whatever the Neocons want others to believe, but the reality is that now more than never Obama's campaign must remind people that this isn't over; people still have to vote and they may still need a reason for motivation. And having moderately "good" news for McCain does just that, even if his campaign is visibly crumbling.

Finally, let Palin speak. Every time she does that Obama gets a few more votes. :)

diane2628 said...

RWC is right about only one thing - 23 days is a long time, and anything can still happen. Yes, history is definitely NOT on McCain's side - but I'm not going to relax and exhale until the polls close on election day. Getting past the last debate will help, but that still leaves us with almost 3 weeks...

The race is likely to tighten before then, so get ready for it and don't panic. I still think Obama's going to win, but it may not be the blowout we're all projecting now. So keep working hard.

Wolf of Aquarius said...

The Obama campaign just leaked some internal polling data. John McCain's unfavorable rating has topped 50%!
See:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/12/obama-aides-record-cash-r_n_134039.html

eve said...

I hate when I type a comment and get this:

Conflicting edits

There was more than one attempt to edit this resource at the same time. This may have been because you double clicked on a link or a button or because someone else is also editing this blog or post.

arrgh

newsfromOH said...

I agree with Adam.

Please RWC, rant on!!!

Keeps us on our toes with calls, visits, donations just to shoot for landslide!!!

sawherstanding10 said...

Has this model ever been backtested? That is to say, if you plugged all the numbers in from an election like 2000 or 2004, do you get the proper (correct) result? I love what I'm seeing right now, but I would feel even better if there was some historical support for the beautiful sea of blue on the screen.

Trevor McFur said...

Just discovered this site about a week ago, ad wish I had long before, because now I'm addicted. There's a couple of interesting articles about the so-called Bradley Effect in the NYT and WP (I think) today. I like your analysis that it doesn't really exist, although obviously November 4th will be the ultimate litmus test. Election Day can't get here fast enough.

newsfromOH said...

Sorry, but Lindsey Graham gets my vote for the next Republican to be found in a gay bath house . . .

anony-mom said...

Drudge's partisan use of polls lately is just over the top. He consistently ignores Gallup when it favors Obama, favoring Zogby's tighter spread. Only pulls out Gallup when it is "all tied up" or "gap narrows."

The most outlandish ones are after the debates when the CNN snap polls (and all the others) show Obama's domination. Drudge provides no object poll links those days, and just puts up a Drudge poll: who do you think won the debate. Conservatives can see a "poll" where McCain smoked THAT ONE.

eve said...

supercalifragilis referring to drudge "so it's not like he's some crazy Republican nutjob or something"

Are you being sarcastic or what?

Ben said...

41.37% chance Obama landslide.

Sweet.

Matty said...

THE SEVEN DWARFS OF CNN PUNDITRY

Assembling a cast of characters to do anything is no easy task, especially when it’s for CNN’s self-proclaimed “Best Political Team on Television.” Luckily they picked a good template to ensure a range of personalities, with diverse viewpoints and a penchant for working hard every day – The 7 Dwarfs. Whistle while you smirk!

Wolf Blitzer as Doc
Old? Check. Glasses? Check. Willingness to lord over others with claims of seniorly expertise. And how! A couple differences? Doc never won a Peabody, but Wolf probably couldn’t get by living in the forest and working in a mine.

Anderson Cooper as Bashful
Those dreamy eyes, that can-do attitude, the way they blush when Kathy Griffin says she wants to bonk them – if these two ain’t the same then their hair ain’t platinum. Plus, if any of the dwarfs is going to be the homosexual my money’s on the one with the eyelash extensions.

David Gergen as Dopey
If you spent ten minutes with the Gerg do you think you’d ever guess that this guy advised four presidents? Don’t get me wrong, he’s one of the most cogent and intelligent of the bunch, but his ho-hum sweetness and willingness to plotz behind a desk like a plate of warm cottage cheese earns him the comparison.

Donna Brazile as Sleepy
Not a coincidence that she ran Al Gore’s presidential campaign, the sleepiest of all time. Maybe it’s just the persistent nasal congestion, but every time she talks not only does she sound exhausted but that dull monotone makes me want to grab the Nyquil and find a soft place.

Paul Begala as Happy
Ever get the feeling that President Clinton just wanted to surround himself with a wondrous array of clowns? I mean, I’m not saying Begala is like Paul Lind juggling Ritalin on a unicycle, but ever since he shaved that “if you come near me I will ask to touch your genitals with my mother’s toilet brush” beard, he has had a lot more bubble in his soda pop.

Jack Cafferty as Sneezy
I love this gruff, Irish-Lutheran, Chicagoan, but if anyone is secretly fighting a horrible illness it’s Cafferty. The battle with smoke and drink has left a thick flavor on his pipes that even Fred Thompson would be proud of, and with any luck sneezing will be the worst of this Emmy Award winner’s inevitable decline into what I call, The Novak Zone.

Ed Rollins as Grumpy
No one looks more pissed to be the shill from the “other” party than Republican strategist Ed Rollins. I’m sure nothing gets his blood boiling like having to cash checks signed by Ted Turner and the secret knowledge that Mike Huckabee would be dominating the polls if he were in the race right now. The Huck!

Campbell Brown as Snow White
If anyone is going to barge into your house and be convinced that it’s owned by children, it’s Campbell. Also, she and Snow both swear off their actual first name. Brown’s is really “Alma Dale” after her grandmother and White’s is “Schneeweisschen” from the German fairy tale in which she was conceived. I wonder if the cartoon one also converted to Judaism when she got married…

James Carville as The Witch
Other than the fact that they both called Bill Richardson a “Judas” for supporting Obama, the comparisons here are merely physical. I mean let’s face it, the ragin’ Cajun’s eye sockets and cheek bones are trying to consume the rest of his body. If Golem is ever looking for a stand-in, he might want to see if Carville will take a day off from belligerently vomiting Louisiana culture-related political metaphors.

There you have it folks, the dwarfiest political team on television. They may not be perfect, but I’ll take them over the cast of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang over at Fox News any day.

politicoool.blogspot.com

coffeejolts said...

RWC has some valid points that the Obama supporters here need to heed. The Neo-conservative movement is big on the 3 G's: God, Guns, & Gays. They are masters of the wedge issue. They can make their people believe that the financial crisis is nothing compared to some gay people getting married. Don't take my word for it, go to church next Sunday and see for yourself.

Obama supporters need to play this as if they're 5 points down. Fight till you drop, and when you drop, get up and fight some more. Don't forget that the 3 G's put Bush in the White House TWICE.

RWC is a troll, but his presence here should serve as your wake up call. This is not over, not even close.

Now, I'm going to do what I do every time I see a nutjob like RWC (or Palin)- give more money to Obama. :)

AxmxZ said...

Bets on Obama's September haul? I say $83 million.

Tom Betz said...

What's most striking to me about today's numbers is the 94.1 to 5.9 Win Percentage. Does this mean that Obama has gone from 10-to-1 odds of winning to nearly 20-to-1 odds of winning in just a couple of weeks?

Or am I misreading the numbers?

Akoolromeo said...

oct said...
Right Wing Conspiricist --

First learn to spell your own name.

Second what part of getting your ass kicked don't you understand?

******
You have to cut him a break. As I mentioned before and as someone elsebacked me up with the list of sates and their average IQs, Republicans in general just aren't as educated as Democrats, so expecting them to spell their own name correcly is probably expecting a little too much. :)

PAJ said...

I was so afraid RWC left the board. I want to raise more $ for Obama! Keep on posting your drivel. I'm going to call a couple friends and get them to get in on the action.

Obama 08!

Mark Hussein in VA said...

RWC is Mule. Same little boy.

Nah. Mule is very irritating, but I don't think anyone would question his intelligence. He's someone, if you get past the ranting crude anger, whom you can respect while finding completely disagreeable.

RWC is an incurious lightweight, like his hero Shrub, who probably isn't stupid enough to truly believe his own fantasies but sustains himself on the thin reed of hope that he's right. Hey, people buy lottery tickets every week, just hoping that having conviction they'll win is going to influence virtually impossible events. I see no difference with RWC.

In sports parlance, he's Woofing. He's a little scum-sucking weasel with a loud, stupid mouth that doesn't stop, regardless of what realities confront him.

Don't worry, RWC. When Barack Hussein Obama wins, you can always move to Canada and cry in your Hungry Man dinner about how ACORN stole the election.

mc9cain said...

LWC - LMAO!! That's some good shit. Misspelled name and everything. You just have to really work hard to imitate stupid though. It's not easy blogging stupid. :)

Akoolromeo said...

If and when McCain brings out Reverend Wright, Obama can always bring out the video of Palin being blessed by the witch doctor. Or they can reminded people how her husband belonged to a Successionist group until 2002, which was founded by a man who hated the United States, and who wanted to succeed Alaska from the Union. She jsut did a video for the group this year. Just because she was married to a memeber, doesn't mean she has bene pallin around with people who hate the United States so much.

MATT J. H. said...

I'm experiencing deja vu. A campaign imploding, blaming the media for its ills, and finding its attacks non-effective on Obama.

hmmmmm .....

Reporter said...

I am glad I'm abandoning my Republican roots and am voting for Obama this election. McCain and Palin have made it embarrassing to even be a Republican with all the hate-mongering they've been encouraging. Our entire family will be turning our backs on McCain-Palin...here we come Obama!

Frank said...

There are two types of Republicans that are still in the media and forums putting forth a positive face on McCain's chances: the pragmatists that know they need to keep the party faithful interested enough to go vote so the results of the down-ticket races are not even worse than predicted and the drink-the-cool-aid folks that believe/parrot what they hear on talk radio, etc.

By all means, no one should be complacent or give up but this lead is not going to be changed by old associations of a candidate.

Lincoln said...

I posted this in the last thread, but I think everyone here will find it amusing/cool:

A Republican in Nebraska has been running ads linking herself to Obama to try and get votes.

if that isn't trouble for McCain....

sniperct said...

@Matt j. h.

It IS eerily reminiscent of the Clinton campaign, but at least Clinton stayed somewhat respectful, even while throwing the kitchen sink at him. Mccain is just getting ugly.

Now, as for drudge...

Is it bad I used to think Drudge Report was similar to The Onion?

He said...

As a Marine, I will NEVER vote for Obama.

His presindecy will be just like Bill Clinton. When I was fighting in Bosnia in the 90s, President KKKlinton refused to fund the troops, and we ran out of food and gas. We had no body armor. Democrazies hate the military our brave fighters soldiers like me and John McCain, who has fought for your freedoms.

Nobama 08!

Wa7th said...

Now, I'm going to do what I do every time I see a nutjob like RWC (or Palin)- give more money to Obama. :)


Whacking them with shovels used to be quicker and easier, but not since these internets.

Charles Crook said...

"Conflicting edits"

Seems widespread, and an artifact of this blog s/w.

Heather:

"In all day Saturday could not find one McCain supporter in our small, northern NM town."

Anyone comments on southern NM?

Troy said...

@Matt J. H.

And Hillary ran a better campaign than McCain is running now.

pygmy_owl said...

Wow. CNN is complete bullshit. They've just played a video of Castro saying that the US is racist and that Obama won't win because we're racist. (a) Castro is a dick and (b) does CNN play all of Castro's speeches about the United States, or is there something else behind this?

That Castro has said something is not news. That Castro says something about one of two candidates in our presidential race is only news because the news wants it to be news. Does CNN pick up their feeds directly from Drudge?

newsfromOH said...

he . . .

And McCain loves the military so much, he wants to use them all of the time.

As for his military roots, read the Rolling Stone article, if only to hear what his fellow POWs have to say about him . . .

Tom Betz said...

Now we have a fake marine trolling the blog.

Not one soldier or marine died in combat in Bosnia.

Compare that to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Beth in VA said...

Should we be concerned that the Gallup dropped so much?

winniechili said...

@ He

I'm sure you're a good Marine He. But there is no soldier in Iraq right now fighting for MY freedom.

pygmy_owl said...

Hey He: I grew up in Quantico. Nice town. I was up to my neck in jarheads. Word from the fam is that there are lots of marines in Quantico and in the neighboring towns with lots of Obama signs on your lawn.

Obama will do much more for the military than his John McCain will do.

GregM said...

@Matty regarding "THE SEVEN DWARFS OF CNN PUNDITRY":

What about Bill Schneider?

pygmy_owl said...

Correction: "on their lawns..."

John said...

The media is worried that Obama is pulling away so they aren't going to report on Troopergate and will instead report on ACORN/Ayers/Castro and other nonsense that hurts Obama and helps the party of ignorance.

MrInsight22 said...

According to an article on pollster.com last week, Gallup had Gore up by 10 around October 10, 2000 right before the debates and Dubya was ahead by 13 In Gallup the last week of October 2000 shortly before Gore beat him by 500,000 popular votes while Dubya barely won in the electoral college.

I believe those were regular Gallup polls, not trackers.

mc9cain said...

MATT J. H. said...
I'm experiencing deja vu. A campaign imploding, blaming the media for its ills, and finding its attacks non-effective on Obama.

hmmmmm .....

October 12, 2008 9:41 PM

Yup. It seems like possibly around the time of the Indiana/NC primaries. Maybe McCain will propose a gas tax holiday tomorrow!

Ed M. said...

As a Marine, I will NEVER vote for Obama.

You are a fucking idiot.

My father was a Marine in Vietnam, and he's not voting for McCain. He's not voting for him because there was a sign on his flight deck that read: "Do not go to the Hanoi Hilton, we won't be coming for you" and he went there.

He didn't bother to try and get out of the way of a SAM. He pulled the eject cord for the third time in his career. He fell out in a public pool in Hanoi and surrendered to the first gook he saw. He'd messed up his legs and told his captors he was the son of an Admiral, and he'd give them any information they wanted.

That's your hero, tough guy.

Alyssa said...

Oh boy... RWC is back. Looks like $320 was not the end of what I was donating to Obama tonight.

I think RWC is the old CTPEM. But more annoying and less drive-by idiot hilarity.

Voltaire said...

I just hope we have enough of an Obama landslide to upset my congressman Jim Jordan from OH-4.

I know, there's no way. But I can hope.

Left Wing Conspiricist said...

New SurveyUSA poll in Wyoming:

BarackMessiah 51
JohnMcasshole 46

New Ras poll in OKLAHOMA leaked!

BarackMessiah 55
JohnMcasshole 43

Get ready for an electoral college shutout, cons!

Wa7th said...

he, last time your were in the DAV did they forget to remind you again not to eat the paint chips?

Frank said...

If you are thinking about contributing towards the election, look at election.princeton.edu to get an idea of where to contribute such that it makes a difference.

Steve said...

Totally off topic, but the article misuses the word "presently". It means "soon", not "currently".

I know, picky, picky. But "currently" works just as well in the context, and it's the right word.

Jen said...

"Is it bad I used to think Drudge Report was similar to The Onion?"

__________________________________

Yes. The Onion is genius. Drudge is not.

Reporter said...

We're a Military family and have an Officer in the family that works with multiple branches. Most military families are actually voting for Obama in oreder to get out of Iraq. Iraq has had a tremendous toll on families. And where are those WMDs that we went in for initially(?). Lack of body armor, etc was actually a major issue under Bush and the REPUBLICAN majority if we remember.

Tgold65 said...

Wasn't John McCain the guy who voted against funding the VHA? He doesn't want our Vets to get the same health care he gets as U.S. Senator.... yeah, nice guy.

Josh said...

If and when McCain brings out Reverend Wright, Obama can always bring out the video of Palin being blessed by the witch doctor. Or they can reminded people how her husband belonged to a Successionist group until 2002, which was founded by a man who hated the United States, and who wanted to succeed Alaska from the Union. She jsut did a video for the group this year. Just because she was married to a memeber, doesn't mean she has bene pallin around with people who hate the United States so much.

If your presidential candidate is being attacked, why would you attack the other side's VICE presidential candidate? As nasty as Sarah Palin is, she isn't the one running for President. John McCain is.

And while Obama should certainly fight back, he also needs to be careful that he stays on message. Maybe bring up Keating 5, because it ties into the economy. But he shouldn't throw any more mud than he has to. Stay on message. Keep your eyes on the prize. Etc., etc.

Buckeye said...

How come we are almost mid October and we haven't heard how much Obama brought in as far as fundraising for October. Also how come the media hasn't discussed the fact that the McCain campaign is short on money?

Paul said...

he said...
Democrazies hate the military our brave fighters soldiers like me and John McCain, who has fought for your freedoms.


Have a look at McCain's military history and how McCain supports veterans from the Senate.

Tgold65 said...

left wing conspricist, are those real numbers or are you just making this up?

Wyoming? Home of Darth Cheney... those numbers can't be right.

chris said...

I'm really impressed. I was disappointed by the commenting when I first dove into it a month ago, after focusing on the posts since sometime last fall. As the site gets more well-known, more people who aren't saying much have shown up, and it's getting worse.

Guys, you should seriously consider hiring someone to moderate the comments. I don't know how much substance there was at the beginning, but it seems to be getting worse. Another alternative would be a "recommended comment" feature like that found in the NYTimes, or a flagging mechanism such that if enough people feel that a post is worthless, it is hidden or relegated to the end of the thread. A moderator or any of those changes would limit the crap.


Anyway, I've commented on a couple of the methodological changes, and this one's good too. Tightening up the margin of error is not an inherently biased change, and if it's supported by the data, go for it. The fact is, many of McCain's previous chances for winning the election relied on potential polling errors.

If reducing the assumed error, in a data-supported manner, increases Obama's likelihood of winning, it is just reflecting the fact that McCain is losing by the methods we use to measure.

A little more information here would have been better, though: I would have liked to see the average percent state-based polling error (by month, week, or however you calculated it), alongside the assumed error.

As a statistically-based site, it is better to provide the evidence. I'm inclined to believe you, because the prior changes have worked to continue providing good results, but regularly tweaking the formula without providing any data for why you're doing so...

It reminds me of Real Clear Politics. That's not a standard you want to live up to.

Troy said...

LWC:

Nice try, but you're not foolin' me. You need to have more misspelins!

Jen said...

"As a Marine, I will NEVER vote for Obama."

___________________________________


As a non-moron I will NEVER vote for McCain.

I am assuming you are a parody, as many of my employees join the Marines as did my step-brother and they were all smart guys. It is offensive for you to represent the Marines as a bunch of dummies and I do not appreciate it at all. I know you think it is funny, but it is not.

It is also against the code of justice for you to use your position in the military to advocate for a campaign, so please cease and desist.

MrInsight22 said...

As articles in the NYT and WaPo today (linked on RCP) and prior articles have said, the people who refuse to participate when reached by phone tend to be older, more conservative, and more anti-black. The normal non-participation rate is 40% to 50% (a dark secret of the pollsters).

According to a Gallup pollster on the radio this week, the current non-participation rate is a staggering 80% of persons called.

Given that some McCain supporters are ashamed to admit it publicly and young Obama supporters are eager to discuss their views, the 80% non-participation rate suggests the polls are skewed towards Obama. The question is by how much.

Heather Nordquist said...

Charles~ Southern NM quite a different story. I like to think of it as "our little piece of Texas" However, there is a congressional race down there that is quite close. So, you may allow yourself to be a little hopeful. I don't know of any regional polling.

Everyone~ I wouldn't freak over the Gallup numbers. Obama's highest 11%, lowest 7%, error +-2, so that is only a 4 pt band, could just be on upper/lower margins. Give it another day.

Jen~ Go Chargers!!! They are up 30-3 right now.

alafair said...

He-

How coincidental...I was in the military under President Clinton too. I seem to recall getting a larger than expected pay raise under Clinton.

I will not vote for anyone who is purposefully stirring up racial trouble. This NC Independent is voting for Obama. Matter of fact, after attending that Palin rally I'm voting straight ticket Democrat.

Ed M. said...

and just Fuck You, he.

I've got a handful of Silver and Bronze Stars that don't like McCain.

You've got some maybe bullshit in Somalia. I know folks who served there to, and I've heard a bunch of complaints about the assignment but I've never heard your's before.

I think you didn't serve anywhere.

MATT J. H. said...

Chris said ...
As a statistically-based site, it is better to provide the evidence. I'm inclined to believe you

-------------------------------------

Well, aren't you special. I'm glad Nate is satisfying you your highness. Anything else you would like?

Lincoln said...


Given that some McCain supporters are ashamed to admit it publicly and young Obama supporters are eager to discuss their views, the 80% non-participation rate suggests the polls are skewed towards Obama. The question is by how much.


You need to factor in, as well, that younger people (probably most people under 35) are cellphone only and those skew Obama, so the polls might actually be skewed towards McCain or just a wash.

http://threelinepunditry.blogspot.com/

chris said...

MATT: Sorry I came off badly. If he is unhappy about RCP excluding polls without good explanation, he should avoid making changes without showing why.

I mean, he did the analysis; it would just be nice to see it.

Lincoln said...

Also remember that Obama has a far superior ground game, so he should outperform his polling.

Shadowspecies said...

He - You're so full of **** it isnt even funny.

It was the Republicans that tried to deep six bosnia funding. Go check your facts slick.

SHe said...

As a Marine, I will NEVER vote for McCain.

even tho i waz a prowd marine hoo supported richard nickson i will never vote for horrible dum mckain

mcsame 08!

newsfromOH said...

Bravo, ed m.--on many levels!!

GaMeS said...

Off topic, but someone in another thread was wanting detail on Obama's advertising in Texas:

I, personally, have seen TV ads on local stations -- I am absolutely certain they were not simply picked up by a national buy because it was during the local news.

I have also seen the same commercial on some cable stations -- ranging from cable news at one end to Cartoon Network and Comedy Central at the other -- but these could have just been a national buy rather than a local buy.

Finally: This is not near New Mexico. I'm in the Dallas/Ft. Worth media market, so the only cross-border transmission would be into Oklahoma, and we know he's not making a play there. (Even then, I don't think Dallas broadcasts would get very far into Oklahoma -- at best, it wouldn't get past the extremely rural area just past the Red River.)


My conclusion: This is definitely advertising directed at Texas itself, and it's not even in a blue part of the state (such as the Rio Grande valley or Austin).

They might be trying to help with the coattails for House or Senate races, but I also think that this area might actually be a viable target: In addition to a substantial urban population, we have a fairly substantial student population. UNT, here in Denton, has almost 35,000 students, and TWU across town has over 12,000 -- this is in a city with less than 110,000 people. Also in the area, there's TCU (8,200), SMU (11,000), UTD (10,000), UTA (25,000), and Southwestern Medical Center (4,200), among others.

In any event, Dallas, Tarrant, and Denton Counties all went heavily for Obama during the primary and caucus, and the area is the fast-growing in the state, so groundwork laid here may pay substantial dividends in the next few election cycles. If nothing else, whipping up turnout here could help keep McCain's margin down, possibly in the single digits, and that can make a big difference in the nationwide popular vote.

MATT J. H. said...

Nate has discussed his methodology on many occasions. He has hard rules he employs unlike the clowns at RCP who pick and choose their polls depending on how they "Feel".

Ken said...

Colorado is the anchor in the transition of the Mountain West to blue. Colorado's progress has been amazing:

pre-2004:

State House: GOP
State Senate: GOP
Governor: GOP
US House: 5 GOP, 2 DEM
US Senate: 2 GOP

Current:

State House: DEM
State Senate: DEM
Governor: DEM
US House: 3 GOP, 4 DEM
US Senate: 1 GOP, 1 DEM

Likely 2008:

State House: DEM
State Senate: DEM
Governor: DEM
US House 2 GOP, 4 DEM, 1 Toss Up (CO-4)
US Senate: 2 DEM
President: DEM

It's hard to imagine we could get any bluer!

SHe said...

new kalloradowe powl

BarackMessiah 71
JohnMcasshole 22

it's over cons!

Jaime said...

Drudge has tomorrow's Ras numbers: 50-45 Obama.

chris said...

He does have those rules for how to deal with an individual poll. The model that they are fed into ignores the origin of a poll except for its past performance.

Where it can get a little fuzzier is assuming how differently the state and national polls track. Clearly he's thought about this, and decided before on a more conservative margin of error. I'd like to see what convinced him that a tighter margin of error is reasonable, if he's going to change it this late in the game.

Troy said...

@she
Much better!

mc9cain said...

Left Wing Conspiricist said...
New SurveyUSA poll in Wyoming:

BarackMessiah 51
JohnMcasshole 46

New Ras poll in OKLAHOMA leaked!

BarackMessiah 55
JohnMcasshole 43

Get ready for an electoral college shutout, cons!

October 12, 2008 9:50 PM


Left Wing Conspiricist,
I'm laughing so hard I can hardly type this. That's the funniest shit EVER!! I'm sure I will go to bed and before I fall asleep will start to laugh again. (when I first read it I thought RWC had screwed up as usual with his states and percentages). Oh too funny.

Robby said...

I've already caught "He" in one blatant lie on these comment boards, so I don't feel any need to fact-check his almost certainly bogus "experience" in Bosnia.

Suffice to say, I must concur with my colleagues: cautious optimism!

John said...

How is Drudge getting the results of Rasmussen and Zogby polls early?

chris said...

I'm mostly concerned about how other sources will think this reflects on his numbers. The more he explains a change that roughly halves John McCain's chances of winning, the less likely that people who don't want to believe it will brush it off as a partisan change from someone who wants Obama to win.

broberts said...

While there seems to be general agreement that the Bradley effect is not a factor anymore, I've been pondering what I consider relatively high undecideds in some polling data and thinking back to the primary. Could there be a significant anti-AA vote hiding in this number? (If I recall correctly a significantly larger portion of the PA undecided broke for HC as did the undecided in a number of other states.) If so, is there any way to suss it out?

John said...

This race is not over yet.

SHe said...

the REVERC BRADLEE IFFECT will shoot the dems to viktory

it's over cons!

Scalze said...

Should Drudge's "early release" Monday numbers that show the race tightening in the national trackers concern me?

Shawn said...

@John, I was just thinking the same thing.

According to Drudge for Monday
Zogby Tracker
Obama - 48
McCain - 44

Rasmussen
Obama - 50
McCain - 45

I would be very disappointed in Rasmussen if Drudge has an in with that poll. Zogby - whatever. I will believe the Rasmussen one when Zogby is confirmed within the hour.

oct said...

This race is not over yet.

Nope. But McCain is f&%ked.

Guy P said...

"So Obama's win% went up because of lower uncertainty in the polls. But that implies that with zero uncertainty his win% would be 100, which is untrue."

No, that is true - if we were certain all the polls were completely accurate, and certain that the model properly accounted for undecideds, and certain that these poll numbers would not change until election day... then we would be 100% sure that Obama would win. But we aren't so we're not.

cher said...

Quite clever Matty ...

Today I voted in Colorado. What a wonderful feeling to fill out my ballet. My son and I actually took the ballots to the drop off box as I was not in the mood to trust the mail. Count two more votes for Barack Obama for President. I love going in and being able to vote but this time I simply could not take the chance that something could come up and now I have free time on election day and can volunteer to help drive others. The poll's are wonderful tonight. Colorado looks wonderful!

Jaime said...

Scalze, do you WANT to be worried? Because it's your choice. Rasmussen's polling has been pretty stable in a 5-7 point O lead. Zogby is crap. Let's wait a few days to see if there's been any REAL movement.

MATT J. H. said...

John said...
This race is not over yet


We've finished 3 debates, the VEEP selections, and the conventions. Besides a 10 day period after the Republican convention, Obama has lead the entire general election. Barring some major new revelation or a foreign policy crises, this race is over.

Frank said...

An interesting article by David Brooks about the long-term squeeze the Republican party has gotten themselves into.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/10brooks.html

cora said...

RWC,

DANGER !!!
I suggest you get off this site otherwise you will end up voting Obama. Some other con poster here is jumping ship. It's called REAL JOE EFFECT and it's the October surprise.

Wa7th said...

MATT J. H. said...

Nate has discussed his methodology on many occasions.

He feeds the hamsters only the best.

SHe said...

new kentuckee senete powl

lunsford 50
mcconnel 43

say goodbye 2 your pressious majoritee leader cons!

60 seats wil b a snap!

oct said...

The Ras numbers are always the slowest to trend with Obama and they seem to break for McCain after campaign tactic news cycle events. IN the present case, it is the Ayers attacks.

This is how Ras uses his organizations to feed the right-wing press with something positive to say so that the neo-cons and hate mobs will still get out of bed and go to the polls.

sarasotajoe said...

This may be too far down for Nate to see it - but Nate - The MN Senat race seems to have turned towards Franken. Two new polls: Rasmussen has Franken +7 on 10/7 and MN Public Radio had Franken at +4 on 10/4. That makes three in a row with Franken up. It might be time to move that race from Tilts GOP to Tilts Dem. Now we just need that special election in Mississippi to tilt Musgroves way and we'll have our 60 - if you count Lieberman.

cora said...

oct,

RAS will adjust. Just wait till they have their new party ID figures and incorporate them into their model.

Wa7th said...

We completely brainwashed Real Joe. He was a John Birch-er when he got here, and now he's singing like Pete Seeger.

PorDem said...

Can democrats relax? Seriously, so the daily trackers regressed to a 5-7 point national lead.

Remember though, McCain can't climb above 45%. It's the states that matter.

Remember, polling will fluctuate. Always has and always will. A great day for Obama dropped off and yet amazingly, he still leads by 5-7%. Hmmm

Vanessa said...

This race is far from over.

To answer your question, it would not be hard to get info from one of the analysts over at Rasmussen or Zogby for that matter.

Wa7th said...

Where is Andy Kaufmann when the state of Tennessee needs mocking?

Robby said...

Sarasotajoe said something that made me think: would we rather have 58 or 59 Dems in the Senate?

Normally, one more Senator is always preferable, but if we're at 59, Lieberman has leverage on us in a filibuster situation. Part of me would rather us be at 58, so we could give ol' "Pary of One" Joe the boot with a clear conscience.

Of course, saner heads will soon convince me I'm wrong (and I'm nearly certain that I am), but this was just the thought that popped into my head at the moment.

Jaime said...

A 5-point lead is still quite a lead. Let's see if there's more downward movement or if it's just noise. And remember, the debate's on Wednesday... I wouldn't be surprised if Obama got another bounce from that.

MATT J. H. said...

Lets keep in mind, we're poll freaks around here. Last week I could have swore I saw poll tightening, then it magically sprung open again.

Obama's high is 8 points, his low is probably 4-5. For RCP to allow Zogby and not the Research2000 poll is ridiculous. The polling mean is 5-6 points. Gallup got a little excited last week and got to 10-11 points which is ridiculous.

We have to syop being poll NAZI'S

SHe said...

new tennisee powl

messiah 47
mcasshole 43

give it up cons!