Gonna try and make it to the Cubs game tonight, which means that I've got a ton of work to do this afternoon, which means that ... you're getting a rare AM edition of Today's Polls. And it's a good one for Barack Obama:
What's up with those Quinnipiac polls? Why have I listed them twice?
Well, Quinnipiac broke its sample into two halves: pre-debate and post-debate. For all intents and purposes, these are two separate surveys, and so that's how I list them. Obama gained ground in the post-debate versions in all three states (OH, PA, and FL).
More importantly, however, the polls represent significant gains for Obama since the last time Quinnipiac had been in the field in early September, particularly in Florida, where he had been 7 points behind before.
The McCain camp is going a little crazy over these polls. Usually, when a campaign does something like that, it's worried about morale. But do their complaints have any basis in fact?
Quinnipiac's polls have shown a slight Democratic lean this cycle -- they've been 1-2 points more favorable to Dems than contemporaneous polls of their states. From what I can tell, their head of polling (Peter Brown) has fairly conservative politics, so I don't know that it can be called a partisan lean. But that is the side that the polls have tended to end up upon nevertheless.
At the same time, they are highly-rated polls, use large sample sizes, and have plenty of rich trendlines for comparison. Is it possible that they are outliers to a certain degree? Possibly -- maybe even probably -- but as I intimated yesterday, with Obama's surge nationally it was inevitable that we were eventually going to get an oh sh*t set of state polling for Obama. There clearly seems to have been some movement toward Obama in Florida, as well as in Pennsylvania, where the Morning Call tracker has had him gaining a point literally every day since its inception. Ohio, I am somewhat less convinced about, but InsiderAdvantage also gives him the lead there (as well as a 6-point lead in Virginia).
The most critical point may be that the McCain campaign now faces something of a Hobson's choice. In terms of states where they had hoped to play offense, Michigan began to break away from them a week or so ago, and now Pennsylvania -- which had initially reacted well to Sarah Palin -- seems to be doing the same. But if all they're doing is playing defense, that gives Obama so many scratch-off tickets -- Colorado, Florida, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, and perhaps Indiana, Nevada, and Missouri -- that it's essentially inevitable that he'll get lucky in one or more of those states, several of which he already appears to have the lead in.
My gut instinct if I were the McCain campaign is that it might be time to pick one of Pennsylvania and Michigan -- whichever state my internals liked better -- and consolidate my offense there. McCain certainly can't be spending time in Iowa, where he spent much of yesterday, but where he has never led a single public poll against Obama.
10.01.2008
Today's Polls, 10/1
by Nate Silver @ 11:29 AM...see also arizona, connecticut, florida, mccain, new jersey, ohio, oklahoma, pennsylvania, quinnipiac, today's polls, virginia
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The latest polls are IMMENSELY IMPORTANT!!! For John McCain!!!
WOW for Obama. Nate: Great interview with Dan Rather.
I liked Obama's comment during the debate to MCains spending freeze idea (McCain just repeated it) likening it to bringing a hatchet when you need a scaple..see that's the issue with McCain he either does nothing or does big bold and dramatic moves which are quite often just plain wrong.
Management of such a "big" machine like the US economy and military takes finese and that takes intelligence and both Bush and McCain and Palin appear to have very little propensity for finese and exhibit very little in the way of intelligence.
I think I'll have a cigarette and lean back against the bedpost now.
Truly a great day.
Well, queue up the trolls complaining about the Q poll...
three, two, one....
But seriously NAte, awesome interview with Rather. Can't wait to see your coverage on election night.
Nate,
You rock! I love this site, and you were fantastic on Olbermann yesterday. Keep up the great work. I'm glad that the word about you is getting out- I'm hearing about you on a daily basis online and on TV.
Nate, outstanding work as always, and for whatever reason, I would love to see a fairly recent poll in Nevada. Not because I live there(I don't), or I care about it's handful of ev's...I just want to see if the ground troops who registered a half million Dem voters will make a difference.
McCain just gave up on Iowa on national TV. He just dissed the ethanol people. I hope he enjoyed his last trip there because I am sure he is no longer welcome.
McCain just gave up on Iowa on national TV. He just dissed the ethanol people. I hope he enjoyed his last trip there because I am sure he is no longer welcome.
Blue-Pacman is finally beginning to devour Red-Pacman. Keep chompin'!
And now we see why the model had Florida and Ohio slight blue before many thought the polls justified it. It is predictive and it appears that the model is smarter than the talking heads on TV.
Well done Nate.
NATE: It's October. Any idea what the "October Surprise" might be and how it will affect your projections?
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Great job on Countdown last night!
I think we just saw this election break, and break hard, for Obama. Shades of 1980.
Oh,please,please, you partisans for Obama. Do *not* have that post-coital cigarette now. There is still more than a month to go! Many things will happen. Do not get complacent if you want to win!
And while in Iowa he was such a nasty prick to the editorial board of the newspaper, I'm sure he's lost what little hope he had:
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Nate, you could have said that McCain needs a game changer, not just a redeployment of resources.
What might such a game changer be? I would suggest any of the following could be one:
1. Palin does well enough in the debate so that her nomination no longer makes McCain look bad.
2. External event -- provocation perhaps by the Bush administration, with McCain able to ride around on the turret of a tank -- an anti-Dukakis moment.
3. 527 bombing attack.
What else would anyone propose?
@derbydeano--a new NV poll came out just yesterday. Check the sidebar. Grandpa + 2
I think the Q polls are too favorable.
The last thing we need is complacency in PA, MI and OH.
I think some people are looking for a reason not to vote for Obama, which is why he was so conciliatory in the debate.
So far McCain is giving them every reason not to vote for McCain.
Almost on the month countdown. I would expect some real nastiness soon from the McCain camp. They'll need to try for extreme racial polarization. It's the only way they can win now. But is it too late?
Nate--are any networks inviting you on TV the evening of Nov. 4? You're much smarter than John King--make a play for CNN!
I love seeing MO, NC, and IN as white. I'm very doubtful. I'd love to see some more polls from MO and NH.
And while Obama is on the WI/MN state line today (almost by IA too), I'm surprised to see so little attention to MN by either campaign. Both of their internals must say it's off the table. Roman Catholic Biden could do a lot of good in central MN and eastern WI.
These polls are really great for Obama. McCain ought to suspend his campaign so that he can help retire some campaign debt.
Just, wow.
Most Florida polls close at 7 PM EST on Election Eve. If the MSM project Obama the winner, it's time to pop the bubbly cuz it's OVAH.
Holy Macaroni!!!
Regarding Pennsylvania: In your face, Chuck Todd!!! (and Chris Matthews)
I am surprised about the Insider Advantage polls. It´s a confirmation of the trend by a pollster I didn´t expect to do this.
So if the national polls have Obama at about +6 at the moment, I guess we will soon be at the end of the trend-boosted projections? The red line in the supertracker is now at +6, so if Obama doesn´t get an even higher lead the trend will slow down, while the projection will be catching up to the trend with each day closer to the election. Is it a bit of a zero-sum game? Well, at the moment the McCain campaign is comatose, their last chance will be to do "something" at the day after the final debate. If that doesn´t succeed = Obama landslide.
True most florida polls close at 7 ET but some of the state is in the Central Time Zone, so the networks won't be projecting until 8 ET at the earliest, and probably much later than that.
The "October Surprise" might be the rumored Palin lesbian video said to be out there. Alledgedly it's from back in her wild pot smoking days.
Juris:
A 527 attack won't work now. It's way too late and people will not be easily distracted.
McCain has failed to define Obama.
Palin is a loss-loss situation because Biden will eviscerate McCain and his votes from the senate.
Now if there was another 9/11 that could help McC.
McCain has literally lost control. If the narrative becomes "landslide" its VERY VERY difficult to overcome that no matter what. For several reasons:
(a) increased morale on the winning side. We've been excited about Obama all year. Landslide just ups the excitement.
(b) decrease morale on the losing side. "well, he's going to lose anyways, why vote".
It's vitally important that McCain attempts to grab hold of the landslide narrative or he will lose the election in the next week. Seriously. Think Reagan 1980. After the debate, he shot up in the polls in about 2 weeks, and Carter just completely lost the narrative.
As an Obama supporter and an Iowan that lives in Des Moines, I would welcome McCain or Palin to come here as often as possible in the next 34 days! And by all means, keep spending their advertising dollars here too. Seriously: what a strategic waste of the McCain campaigns resources. Every day they waste is a day they won't get back.
McCain quote: "I will impose a spending freeze on every agency of the Federal government..."
People seem to be OK with that, I don't know why. Spending freeze does NOT mean spending cut; but it does. Because when you freeze a budget it does not mean that you can actually spend exactly the same amount on exactly the same items. Some things go up. Like interest payments... etc. So it actually means that some services will be cut to freeze the budget. First to go is grants for education, law enforcement to states and localities and first-responder grants... Science/alternative energy research will definitely get it's share. Medicare too. Health-care coverage for low income Americans and elderly will get slashed when the economy is going in this direction...
I don't know why people aren't jumping all over this thing. Bush wants to do the same thing for the 2009 budget.
"The "October Surprise" might be the rumored Palin lesbian video said to be out there." - Liz
That would, quite literally, be the weirdest thing to have ever happened in any democratic election in the history of the human species.
I guess the question now is, what, if anything, could happen to shift the momentum back to McCain?
Bad developments in Iraq? Possibly. But it's hard to see anything other than the economy dominating news for at least a couple more weeks.
The debates? Possibly. If Obama has a really bad couple nights, but given how prepared he was on his weakest topic I doubt he's going to pull a stinker on his strengths.
A Palin resurgence? Maybe. With a really, really good debate. But the CW has generally solidified in the fact that she's incompetent. She may boost some base morale with a good debate, but chances are she's not going to change many minds.
An October surprise. Possibly McCain's best chance. He's going to go negative on Obama, throw up Wrighy, Ayers and Rezko again. But the problem is that the public just doesn't care about this stuff anymore - even Wright is like so March 2008 these days. And who cares about what some crazy pastor said years ago when the economy's tanking?
No, McCain's best shot is drudging up something new on Obama and springing it after the debates are over. But given the length of the primary this year and having to go toe-to-toe against both Hillary and the republican machine, it seems unlikely there's something still floating out there that we hadn't heard before.
I think at this point Obama just needs to be gaffe-free and win the GOTV effort to lock this thing up.
Obama talking about the next gen of our energy infrastructure.
Green Baby Green!
Long time reader, first time blogger..... This site is impressive - great job Nate. Anywhere I can catch your interview on Olberman or with Rather?
Hey everybody great news, but, I thought a Hobson's choice was were you were offered one horse and one horse only to rent and you needed a horse, take it or leave it. Am I wrong?
I have a question about the Southeast. Right now, we are on the back end of a significant gas shortage (I live in Atlanta) caused by the two recent gulf hurricanes. I have seen nothing about this coming out of national media outlets.
Now, people are really pissed off at the (mostly Republican) leadership and their handling (or lack thereof) of the problem. Georgia's governor left for an overseas trip right in the middle of this!
I think it would be interesting to know how much people's anger with the current politicians over their handling of the situation will affect voting in Georgia and North Carolina particularly.
I think the pre debate Q-poll in PA is directly inline with the +6 to 8 everybody else has been showing. What might of happened in the post debate poll is that the Indie's shift was huge if you look at the internals which skewed things post debate to O+15. The indie's thought Obama won the debate and also those hesitant were reassurred that Obama passed the Commander in Chief threshold.
The supertracker trend is starting to look like the trend in some of the early wins where Obama closed strong for a big win. It would be interesting to compare the national trendlines to those in some of the larger states where Obama came from behind in the primaries.
FOX News asks a bunch of PA residents who they're voting for?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTkqosRiyYo
The laughter at the end is just... priceless. I don't think I'll ever tire of watching it. Cheers, Pennsylvania!
Nate: White Sox or Cubs? Or are you impartial due to your prospectus status...
Congratualtions to President Elect McCain, President of the Alabama PTA!!
Oh, and I hear Botswana would also like him to run for their Presidency!
Or Maybe Georgia (and this one is not in the USA)!!
Good Luck to all you real Joe's and all the Real Joe Sixpacks..........Palin is ready to do you guys! FART, FART!!!
Go Sox!!!!
The october suprise is a Bristol Paln wedding.
---"Inside John McCain's campaign the expectation is growing that there will be a popularity boosting pre-election wedding in Alaska between Bristol Palin, 17, and Levi Johnston, 18, her schoolmate and father of her baby. "It would be fantastic," said a McCain insider. "You would have every TV camera there. The entire country would be watching. It would shut down the race for a week."
These polls seem to be moving toward the "generic number" that we all tore our hair over, namely polling that showed the generic democrat beating the generic republican in a 10 point landslide.
Seems people are finally willing to trust Obama as much as a generic democrat.
The laughter at the end is just... priceless. I don't think I'll ever tire of watching it. Cheers, Pennsylvania!
I absolutely LOVE the older woman laying the smackdown on her husband when he starts raising his hand for McCain!!
Correction, apologies.
Hey everybody great news, but, I thought a Hobson's choice was where you were offered one horse and one horse only to rent and you needed a horse, take it or leave it. Am I wrong?
Nate,
Next time you are on Countdown, you have to throw some more zingers and smiles....
It was a pleasant surprise to see you on the show....
Thanks for the great site and maybe you should start something up for College football...(I guess it would be hard to see USC loosing to a 41 point underdog like Stanfard last year)....
AK
WSJ/NBC Poll: New Voters Back Obama
A new NBC/WSJ/MySpace poll shows that new and lapsed voters (those who didn't vote in 2004) support Sen. Barack Obama over Sen. John McCain by a 2-to-1 margin, 61% to 30%.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/081001_NBC_WSJ_MySpace_Poll.pdf
Obliterati said...
"The "October Surprise" might be the rumored Palin lesbian video said to be out there." - Liz
That would, quite literally, be the weirdest thing to have ever happened in any democratic election in the history of the human species.
Oh, I don't know. Italy has had pornstars in parliament, so I'm sure they've seen stranger.
Only thing that can help McCain now is another 9/11 event, or a suspension of the election...
It's not over until noon, January 20, 2009.
Nate
thanks for the morning update
borderpeak - I think you may be right. A Hobson's choice is an illusory choice - where there is only one option. I'm not entirely sure of the point Nate was trying to make, but perhaps a better term would been a Morton's fork - a choice between two equally undesirable options.
That Fox News Pennsylvania video:
There are 2 hands going up for McCain, one by the moderator (LOL!), and one by one of the male seniors, but his wife is trying to hold his hand down, as if she was saying: "Hey, we agreed on voting for Obama!!" And then both of them raise their hands for Obama, the wife being very enthusiastic.
Mike in CA: "If the narrative becomes "landslide" its VERY VERY difficult to overcome that no matter what. For several reasons"
I'd add C) The "I'd love to vote for him but Americans won't elect a black man" voters begin to think "hmm, guess I was wrong, guess I'll vote for him after all." That effect is already being seen in battleground states.
"The "October Surprise" might be the rumored Palin lesbian video said to be out there." - Liz
It would give McCain a reason to get Palin offthe ticket. He has already ignored the obvious reason she is unqualified.
When are they going to stop doing interviews with Couric. The first was horrible...Putin's head gibberish on Russia. The rebutal w/ Grandpa McCain on Pakistan looked bad. It seemed as if she was sent to the principal's office. The one east night she couldn't name a single thing she read to help form her world views. The one upcoming tonight and tomorroe have rumors she can't name a single Supreme Court decision besides Roe vs Wade.
Nate: Even if the Quinnipiac polls are off by a point or two they would STILL show Obama with a 6% lead in both Ohio and Michigan. Game over for McCain!
It was inevitable that with Obama's national lead it would start to show up in state polling. You can't poll 6-8% ahead nationally and poll dead even or 1% behind in Ohio and Florida, not when you have Oklahoma and Texas and Georgia dragging your averages down!
You're going to see a bunch of other polls showing both Ohio and Florida with substantial Obama leads within the next week.
AS for McCain's "strategery" he CAN'T go "on the offensive" anywhere! He has to concentrate on running the gauntlet of holding the remaining Bush states. He needs to campaign in Ohio, Virginia, Florida, North Carolina, Colorado and Nevada. He needs to win every one of those states to have win.
Forget Michigan and Pennsylvania which are moving away from him. He better worry about Ohio and Florida and Virginia where he's in deep trouble and getting deeper!
He could still win if he can narrow the popular vote margin so Obama only wins by 2.5% or something. Then his vote fraud team can have a chance to rig the election in a few key states -- enough congestion at the polls to discourage some inner-city blacks, and some Hispanics and foreclosed homeowners struck off lists in battleground states.
He might just pull this out with enough felony election fraud! It worked in Ohio in 2004, why not now? Go for Florida 2000!
That pretty much has to be the McCain motto going forward: "Close the gap and then win with fraud!"
Seems people are finally willing to trust Obama as much as a generic democrat.
Not at all the case. McCain is in no way a generic Republican. He hsa far more bipartisan appeal than any other Republican in the party, with a far greater crossover appeal than any other plausible Republican candidate. Before and during the primaries, McCain polled far better against Obama and Clinton than any other Republican candidate. This was the best they had, and beating him by this kind of margin would be an outstanding performance.
Oops, sorry, pa john, double post.
Prediction - the Palin/Biden debate will slow down the Obama momentum. This is because Palin will cross the rather low bar that has been set for her; and 90 minutes of her on national TV will re-enthuse the Republican base.
"The "October Surprise" might be the rumored Palin lesbian video said to be out there." - Liz
That would, quite literally, be the weirdest thing to have ever happened in any democratic election in the history of the human species. -- Obliterati
Your memory is too short, Oblierati. Don't forget the election where Groff stole the fire-stick from Oregf and paraded around the cave singing "Dinosaur, dinosnoor, dinosaur, dinosnoor." Oh, those were the days. . .
I was polled on Sunday in PA by Quinnipiac. Glad my 2 cents worth is contributing to making the McCain campaign nervous.
I agree with your analysis Nate, but this has to be a tough call for McCain. He's had exactly ONE poll in PA that had him ahead and it's one of the worst ones out there. MI is only slightly better. You *could* argue there's a Bradley effect (most likely in PA) skewing the polls, but that would be balanced out by the fact that he's behind in the ground game and new voter registration in both states. I'm not sure he isn't putting good money after bad in either place right now. Neither is he I bet.
Really though, McCain needs to change the national narrative before worrying about individual states. If he can't get Obama's lead down to 1-3 pts, then there's no reason for him to worry about PA vs. MI. He WILL lose both. Because of that, I'd expect a massive national negative campaign ad blitz in the next few days focusing on some side issue (say, the 'Obama trifecta' of Rezko, Ayers, and Wright) in an audacious way that's SO over the top that IT becomes the news rather than the economy (see Horton, Willie for an example).
(In fact, I'd do it TODAY so that it dominates the news cycle over Palin's folly tomorrow night)
IF that works, THEN he can look at the demographics in PA and MI to determine where to strike.
Otherwise, he's really going to have to just hope the stock market rises, inflation and unemployment suddenly drop, housing prices jump, gas gets cheap again, and a GOP dominated rescue plan comes out of congress that Obama admits publicly is better than anything the Democrats had proposed. Any odds for that????
Bill Clinton in FL
Live video
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or
http://www.wesh.com/video/16128463/index.html
Obama just gave a kickass speech in Wisconsin. Apparently they still think it's moderately close/needs shoring up.
I'm inclined to not completely believe these polls. I think he's up, but not by such ridiculous margins. Ras had McCain up 1 in Ohio, so cut the 2 in half and he's up 3.5 points in Ohio. Maybe. Do the same with Florida and he's up 4; the same w/ PA and he's up 11.5. Maybe. I think those numbers are more realistic, especially since that's basically what you get if you subtract 2 points for the Dem house effect:
PA: +13
OH: +6
FL: +6
Of course, this is probably all BS. Anyway you try and spin it these are undeniably good numbers.
cugel,
The conservatives are already encouraging McCain to go into full slash and burn mode. Here comes Rev Wright, Rezko, Ayers. They know they have zero chance to win on issues.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/14146.html
McCain just gave up on Iowa on national TV. He just dissed the ethanol people. I hope he enjoyed his last trip there because I am sure he is no longer welcome.
That's really smart politics by McCain. I was wondering why in the world he would campaign in Iowa given Obama's longtime and significant lead. It's a Sista Soljah moment to take a principled stand against BS subsidies for ethanol in Iowa. And, he doesn't lose anything since none of the battleground states are big corn producers.
Incidentally, this is one of the few issues on which I agree with McCain and think Obama is playing politics. One other is earmarks. But, like earmarks it is a small almost insignificant issue in comparison to all the other ones on which he is Bush III. Hopefully, it doesn't get any traction.
Yeah, good update and all, but other commenters are right: that's not what a Hobson's Choice is.
Game over, man! Game over!!!
GO CUBS !!!
Nate - good job on Countdown, didn't see you elsewhere so I can't comment. I will say you looked a bit tired - get some sleep, it's going to be a long month!!!
yup, we iowans are kinda wondering why he bothered to come back. think he was hoping some obama luck would rub off.
Prediction: Obama will hit a natural peak this weekend of about 6-7 points national. That 'slowed momentum' will be interpreted by the national media to be a Palin Debate bounce. They will all rave about her beating expectations. They will say 'game changer'. The public will shrug it's shoulders and walk away from the TV.
Arun said...
Prediction - the Palin/Biden debate will slow down the Obama momentum. This is because Palin will cross the rather low bar that has been set for her; and 90 minutes of her on national TV will re-enthuse the Republican base.
She can't and they won't. Fox is already attacking Gwen Ifill. They will say Ifill was biased, played getcha. That is how they'll frame it.
I think at this point McCain might actually dump Palin. He already lost the election, he might as well save what is left of his integrity.
Florida is now a better pick-up opportunity than Ohio. Obama has a 70% chance of winning the former, 68% of the latter.
I think this is the first time we've seen this.
October Surprises!
1) The Obama/McCain "Bailout" bill (now including freakin' tax cuts to get enough Repugs on board) DOES NOT WORK. Late October - or earlier - the poor little millionaires club comes back hat in hand - we need another trillion or your first trillion is toast.
2) Palin gets charged. Clearly the new Troopergate revelations about the Palin's pressure (successful pressure) to get Wooten's WCB removed - which is now documented... will bring her down. Even if she and her fellow travellers stay in contempt of the hearings.
3) A NEW deadly attack occurs on an American embassy abroad or a major US city. This attack could be from the Islamic crazies or the American Christian crazies - take your pick. (Could also be caused by a crazed Yankee's fan upset at missing the playoff's.)
4) Presently there are 19 states that the Repugs are working on MASSIVE voter disqualifications. (See Daily Kos for full story).
5) The Cubs could win the world series - thereby DESTROYING the World Order as we know it and ushering in the Rapture - and not just in Chicago!
These numbers look great.
dan said...
These polls seem to be moving toward the "generic number" that we all tore our hair over, namely polling that showed the generic democrat beating the generic republican in a 10 point landslide.
Seems people are finally willing to trust Obama as much as a generic democrat.
I think this is an excellent point, and McCain's mistake was becoming that generic republican. He wasn't before this campaign, as Tybalt noted. But by embracing the right, he gained a couple key constituencies but lost independents.
imo.
cometboy said...
I agree with your analysis Nate, but this has to be a tough call for McCain. He's had exactly ONE poll in PA that had him ahead and it's one of the worst ones out there. MI is only slightly better. You *could* argue there's a Bradley effect (most likely in PA) skewing the polls, but that would be balanced out by the fact that he's behind in the ground game and new voter registration in both states. I'm not sure he isn't putting good money after bad in either place right now. Neither is he I bet.
Really though, McCain needs to change the national narrative before worrying about individual states. If he can't get Obama's lead down to 1-3 pts, then there's no reason for him to worry about PA vs. MI. He WILL lose both. Because of that, I'd expect a massive national negative campaign ad blitz in the next few days focusing on some side issue (say, the 'Obama trifecta' of Rezko, Ayers, and Wright) in an audacious way that's SO over the top that IT becomes the news rather than the economy (see Horton, Willie for an example).
(In fact, I'd do it TODAY so that it dominates the news cycle over Palin's folly tomorrow night)
I don't know if doing it today would be such a great idea. McCain has made such a show about "suspending his campaign" and "putting his country first" that any major negative ads that drive the news cycle while the bailout bill is still being negotiated will probably cause a serious backlash.
I'm dreaming, right? Somebody PINCH me!
"It would be fantastic," said a McCain insider. "You would have every TV camera there. The entire country would be watching. It would shut down the race for a week."
Ummm... it MIGHT shut down the race for a DAY.
Unless by "shut down" they mean "McCain would suspend his campaign for a week to prepare for the wedding."
No one gives a fuck about Bristol Palin's wedding. Who the hell is she, Princess Di?? Give me a break. We'll have the cameras cut to Bristol's wedding, talk about it for a minute, and then move on to "Meanwhile, Barack Obama was campaigning in Ohio today..."
Yeah... and McCain wasn't!
CNN polls later today on Blitzer at 4pm Eastern. YAY!
McCain seems to be clawing at every issue/soundbite that might help him in anyway. But he doesn't follow through on things. If he'd just stick to his own stance for more than like 3-4 days before doing a 180, some of these things might do him some good.
How can he be taken seriously by even his own supporters regarding suspending his campaign last week? Why was it more important to stop everything, go to DC, and take a lead in getting the bailout package passed last week, but this week, after the last one didn't pass, he's content to go campaign instead of continue to help in Washington?
His bailout posturing this week flies in the face of his bailout posturing last week.
So many contradictions... he is looking more confused by the minute.
I think McCain's campaign is trying to keep the media narrative at "Obama is ahead" instead of "Obama is way ahead" by hinting that their internal numbers are a lot better. Are they? I don't know, but I can't imagine they're a LOT better for them. But either way, if the McCain campaign gets perceived as a sinking ship, the election really is over.
they're live now
juris, I don't think any on your list changes the game. A good Palin performance may staunch the bleeding a little, but people rarely vote because of the VP (see Quayle). IMHO, the economy is killing McCain right now more than anything else and Obama's strong debate performance probably went a long way to reassuring those who were scared of him. I also don't think 527s can change things unless it's something totally new. Including the long primary, Obama has had just about everything already thrown at him and not stick. No idea how a foreign policy crisis will play, but seriously doubt the country wants more war, so Bush initiated conflict does not help McCain. McCain's best chance is a major Obama gaffe that the 527s can pound him on.
PS
Grenade-like device found today in DC.
October 1st...
SURPRISE!
Oops, too late. They've already fired up the 527's on Wright, Ayers, and Rezko:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/
http://www.wesh.com/video/16128463/index.html
Clinton for Obama rally here in Orlando.
"No one gives a fuck about Bristol Palin's wedding"
EXACTLY. That little trollop deserves nothing except perhaps some spew in the eye.
Nate, where are the videos of your round of interviews yesterday?
Election signage issues reach critical mass.
In ND today, there was a piece of paper taped to a lamppost as I was walking home. It was folded over in the wind, but I saw the word "vote" so I went to see what it said.
Plain white piece of paper with green sharpie writing:
"Vote John Mccain
Barrack Obama will tackaway your guns."
Like a previous poster said about Iowa, I'd welcome McCain wasting his time here in New Mexico. And he's got a lot of ads running here.
Obama's got a great campaign op working here, and McCain has fared very poorly in polling here overall.
What is on the Fox Youtube video??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTkqosRiyYo
I am at work and can't pull-up youtube...The suspense is killing me!!!
Thanks,
AK
"Barrack Obama will tackaway your guns."
Authored by PeteKent?
I'm inclined to not completely believe these polls. I think he's up, but not by such ridiculous margins. Ras had McCain up 1 in Ohio, so cut the 2 in half and he's up 3.5 points in Ohio. Maybe. Do the same with Florida and he's up 4; the same w/ PA and he's up 11.5. Maybe. I think those numbers are more realistic, especially since that's basically what you get if you subtract 2 points for the Dem house effect:
PA: +13
OH: +6
FL: +6
Um, look at Nate's numbers over there -->
PA: +6.8%
OH: +2.4%
FL: +2.4%
Hey, the "BS" is what we're paying Nate the big bucks for :)
New TIME national poll (previous pre-convention poll in brackets):
Obama 50 (46)
McCain 43 (41)
Obama up with women 55-38, and with white women 48-45.
The article also includes this fun factoid:
For McCain, the most troubling sign may come not from the details of the poll, which are grim for Republicans, but from the historical context. No Democrat has crossed the 50% threshold in the general election since before Ronald Reagan was elected, let alone done so a month before the election.
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1846065,00.html
I just can't see McCain doing well in Iowa, mostly because of his outspoken opposition to ethanol. I think SD/ND would be pickup opportunities if Obama wanted/needed them, there is huge support for ethanol here and those who don't directly work for ethanol plants probably aren't as aware of McCain's position. I do know several lifelong Republicans who are voting for Obama for that very issue.
OCTOBER SURPRISE - Bristol Palin "shotgun" wedding...I think this was not TNR or TPM earlier...
AK
Nate,
Excellent work - as always!
Thanks.
I hope there is no reversal of fortune. Short of some miracle the trolls need to get used to the title "President Obama"
Say it after me:
"President Obama"
Go Obama and Go Dodgers!!!
What's the deal with SurveyUSA and it's Ohio prediction? It seems waaaayyyy off!
Anyone have any insight on this?
Nate,
This is great news, but as an Obama supporter, the volatility of the polls, and McCain's ability to go extremely dark and negative, is pretty freakin'scary. Chuck Todd says that whatever the polls say around Oct. 15 is likely going to be determinative. I'm holding my breath for another two weeks.
Re:October surprise.
I do think the Ayers, Wright, Rezko stuff will matter, but I don't think by much. It's just not new enough. The names have been out there, the stuff is old. It's one of the reasons, I think, that Obama never tried to go Keating 5: old doesn't play. (If Hillary was the veep, then the 527s would be going Vincent Foster/Whitewater because it's what you do when it's time for the kitchen sink), but none of this old stuff works because the media doesn't care as much and can't be bothered to keep the narrative going.
Re: Voter disqualification
That's why the Ohio rulings I posted the other day matter so much. (Update: the 6th circuit threw out the only little win the GOP had by removing the poll watchers, otherwise known as Republican vote challengers). This means that the Democrats can really work those low income and transient voters to lock those votes in. FOX is already panicking and trying to stir up fears of vote fraud, but you need a reason to throw the vote out, I believe; what matters is letting people cast votes in the first place, which is why the GOP filed three cases in federal and state court to stop the Democratic Sec. State from doing such a scary thing as making it easier to vote: they don't want those votes cast, not this year.
Side note: FreeRepublic post on this was *priceless*. The local news in Ohio showed video of the early voting, and the Freepi were screaming about "smirking" college kids voting. Damn kids! Get off my lawn and take your Obama vote with you!
October surprise?
GOP persuades McCain/Palin to both withdraw and puts in a late switch of Colbert/Huckabee.
Yes, it's desperate, but... it is.
The thing that makes me suspicious about the Quinnipiac polling is that 9-point gain in PA. A debate (especially a debate that apparently had relatively minor effects elsewhere) shouldn't do that. I suppose for the others I'm committing the fallacy of guilt-by-association, but eh.
Subject: Confused?
I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....
If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."
Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.
If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you ' re well grounded.
If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate ' s Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive and next in line behind a man in his eighth decade.
If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and then left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a true Christian. If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.
If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
If your husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA , your family is extremely admirable.
OK, much clearer now.
Please be smart Vote for Barack! And keep this going!!
"The thing that makes me suspicious about the Quinnipiac polling is that 9-point gain in PA. A debate (especially a debate that apparently had relatively minor effects elsewhere) shouldn't do that."
MOE.
Nate - I am so jealous re: the Cubs game. If they win it all this year and Obama wins the election, I will be one of the happiest people on earth for the next month, at least.
As for the polls, I tend to be skeptical of such large leads until I see another confirming poll or two, but even if they are a bit inflated, it is obviously excellent news for Senator Obama!
lol wut.
I'm inclined to not completely believe these polls.
There is some confirmation of these polls from Diego/Hotline. Yesterday, they reported that Obama was +10 in their poll of battleground states (CO, FL, PA, OH, VA, WI, NM, NV, MI, NH). Q's numbers match pretty closely what you would expect if the Diego numbers were accurate.
The fox video is that of a commentator in a diner asking for a show of hands for McCain (getting about 2 hands, one of which is pulled down by his partner), and then a show of hands for Obama (getting virtually all of the hands in the room, including the hands of the person who raised his hand for McCain and had it pulled by his partner).
Then, the commentator says something like "There you have it, it's split, maybe a slight lead for Obama, but definitely Northeast Pennsylvania is a battleground".
I'm sure we'll see that on the Daily Show tonight.
"If they win it all this year and Obama wins the election, I will be one of the happiest people on earth for the next month, at least."
Don't be greedy. I'd take one or the other. Preferably the former, but the latter will help soothe the pain.
538_fan - do give credit to the orginators when you post something like that - it's been around for quite a long time
It's a Sista Soljah moment to take a principled stand against BS subsidies for ethanol in Iowa. And, he doesn't lose anything since none of the battleground states are big corn producers.
If you and McCain want to keep dissing INDIANA, I encourage you to do so. If it was lagging enough behind Obama's national numbers to make it not matter electorally, it won't anymore.
"it is obviously excellent news for Senator Obama!"
Neal,
Are you new? Repeat after me:
This is excellent news!!! For John McCain!!!
The Republicans must be getting nervous! Has anyone else seen Dick Morris' projected electoral map? (Go to http://w3.newsmax.com/a/morrismap/?s=al&promo_code=6BE8-1 -- sorry, you'll have to copy and paste!)
Why would a conservative be making the situation for McCain look even worse than it actually is? (As a Tennessee resident, I can tell you there is no way Tenn. is a "toss-up" state. I wish it were!)
(I'm a first-time poster, but I've been addicted to this site for a while!)
They shouldn't let Bill speak on Obama's behalf. He sounds like he is campaigning for Hillary...
What did McCain say that he dissed Ethanol? Is there a video up yet?
October 8th surprise: Exit polls of the same-day-registration voters in Ohio reveal a huge Obama lead, causing widespread speculation that Obama has "already won."
It's hard to predict the psychological impact this would have.
(And it probably will happen. Newly registered voters must strongly skew Obama, and the state as a whole is already light blue (pacé Q). What do you think, quants? 60%?)
Arizona is a tossup? Arkansas leans Obama?
I think Dick Morris actually, truly did use a poo-flinging monkey.
See you at the Cubs' game!
The problem with trying to politicize Wright, Ayers, and Rezko at this point is that the GOP already threw that sh*t at the wall, and most of if didn't stick.
In order of importance:
Ayers? That is SUCH a stretch. Trying to paint nefarious connections with a man that was notorious when Obama was 7 years old just smacks of desperation. That's the reason why the Ayers thing only gets serious mention on the right-wing kook sites.
Rezko? The facts about this have been known for a lot longer -- and there's nothing damning in it to make people care. Simply put, the only thing the GOP can run with here is guilt by association, similar to Ayers.
Wright? This is perhaps the best ammunition the GOP spin machine has. The problem is that they already spun this one pretty heavily back in the spring and look where Obama is today. The verdict? Level-headed thinkers have pretty much dismissed the outlandish claims. And they largely aren't prepared to believe that Obama hold the same views. What makes this the most explosive is the "angry black man" association that is possible. Obama has been wonderfully counter-acting that image by keeping his cool.
My gut instinct is that none of these really have the potential to be a race-altering issue in the last month before election day because they've already been played out once before, and the undecideds have already moved on from them.
Early reports at that early voting in Ohio isn't drawing in a ton of turnout.
To use a football metaphor, McCain seems to have a choice of keeping the ball on the ground with a few short passes or to try for big pass plays and maybe a big play on special teams.
McCain being a risk taker will take bigger and bigger risks.
Given the economic situation, I don't think the voters are looking for a guy that takes big risks.
If Palin embarrasses herself (and McCain) in the debates look for people to acknowledge that an Obama/Dem landslide is likely.
Carolinet, that map is, to put it tactfully, whack. Dick Morris thinks TN, AZ and LA are tossups, but IN is safe for McCain? Oh, and he has Arkansas leaning Obama... he must really be from a different planet than the rest of us!
Top Obama Labor Supporter Warns Race Remains Volatile, Says Voters Lack Clear Sense Of Obama
By Greg Sargent - October 1, 2008, 12:14PM
In an unusually candid interview, a top official for the largest union backing Obama said that internal union polling shows that the race remains much more volatile and fluid in key battleground states than public polling suggests. He warned that low-information swing-state voters are saying they still don't have a firm enough grasp on Obama's life-story, character and record for the Illinois Senator to close the deal with them.
The comments by the official, AFL-CIO deputy political director Mike Podhorzer, are surprisingly frank and seemed intended as a reality check at a time when polls show the momentum has clearly swung in Obama's favor.
"This election remains extremely volatile in the battlegrounds," Podhorzer told us. "The public polls are giving a false sense of precision about where the race is. That's a story that's not really being told."
Strikingly, Podhorzer said that his union's internal polls -- which push voters hard on the question of whether people are really firmly committed to their pick -- show that as many as "15 to 20 percent" of battleground state voters remain "persuadable," as he put it, despite what public polls say about the level of undecided voters.
"There are more voters than you'd expect who are just starting to pay attention to the election," he said. "And there's a lot of room for people to go back and forth."
Podhorzer stressed that he is impressed by Obama's gains and is convinced Obama is on track to win right now. But he said that the union's interaction with battleground-state voters, combined with extensive internal polling, indicate that this dynamic is anything but fixed and that there's much more fluidity than is generally acknowledged.
From Obama spokesman Dan Pfeiffer:
"The [Q] polls are going to bounce all over the place in the next 35 days, but we agree these polls seem more than a bit rosier than reality."
Honest, trying to prevent complacency or dampening expectations.
The hard core dem in me has often cringed at Obama's coolness in the face of lies and hot-headed jabs. These trends just remind me that YES McCain, Obama DOES know the difference between a strategy and a tactic. The difference is that all you have is a string of tactics with no overarching strategy that one by one come back to blow up in your reactive little face. Meanwhile, Obama resists the temptation to play that game and wins in the end. Beautiful strategy AND tactics, President Obama. Keep it up.
"The "October Surprise" might be the rumored Palin lesbian video said to be out there." - Liz
THAT would be the topper to a great campaign season!
When both sides are trying to pull down the polling numbers, that should tell you that one side is scared and one side is gaming expectations.
Bill Clinton is coming out BIG for Obama right now at they rally. The audience is loving it...and Gore/Kerry are kicking themselves.
Thanks Bill!
Bill Clinton live on XM 130.
He was doing the "it's the economy stupid" speech to whip up the audience.
Wow I came straight to the previous days post to explain to PA john what I meant and not only has BO improved his lead but Nate has said something I was trying to articulate [very poorly] in the previous thread. Tis a funny old world.
Re the choice shouldnt it be Sophie's choice?
"They shouldn't let Bill speak on Obama's behalf. He sounds like he is campaigning for Hillary..."
Actually listening to the 10 minutes I have, he's doing a pretty good.
---That would, quite literally, be the weirdest thing to have ever happened in any democratic election in the history of the human species.---
I see you have followed Italian elections, because I'm pretty sure they'd call that "Tuesday".
Breaking News: McCain campaign run by utter morons.
On Friday, John McCain said "...I think we should end ethanol subsidies." (translation "f*ck you, Iowa.")
On Tuesday, John McCain spends the whole day in Iowa?!?
I hear that McCain also did some campaigning in DC last week. Maybe he'll lock up those 3 EV in the near future.
BEST. DAY. EVER.
Obama makes a Reagan-like move in the polls toward winning the presidency.
And...
Cubs start their postseason journey tonight.
Good God, it just can't get any better than this! If the Cubs end 100 years of futility in late-Oct and then Obama wins on Nov 4th, I just don't think I'll know what to do with myself!
inkstain: It's just started. And the important thing is that people *can* do it, not whether they already have in a day and a half.
The issue is that people could register and vote absentee right away, which means they can do it without having to wait 30 days between registering and voting. Again, the GOP tried to create every roadblock possible to voting, because they fear voters, this year more than most. ANd oh my that Dick Morris map looks fantastic. Look at all those toss up states in the South!
"Actually listening to the 10 minutes I have, he's doing a pretty good."
I dunno...I was hoping for a more ringing endorsement. This final bit is powerful though (not just voting for obama, but voting for yourself, your kids, etc).
---That would, quite literally, be the weirdest thing to have ever happened in any democratic election in the history of the human species.---
It wouldn't even be the weirdest thing to happen in US elections... didn't Daniel Boone accuse Van Buren of cross-dressing in the early 1800s?
Speaking of baseball, I remember in 2004 saying I'd rather have the Red Sox win the WS than Kerry win the election. I got my wish, but in retrospect I think I made the wrong choice.
no gaffe from bill clinton
:-(
"I got my wish, but in retrospect I think I made the wrong choice."
I'd love to feel that way in retrospect :(
Could also be caused by a crazed Yankee's fan upset at missing the playoff's.
So, you're predicting an attack on Edison Field during game 1 of the ALDS? Have you contacted the authorities?
rdweber said...
Breaking News: McCain campaign run by utter morons.
On Friday, John McCain said "...I think we should end ethanol subsidies." (translation "f*ck you, Iowa.")
On Tuesday, John McCain spends the whole day in Iowa?!?
I hear that McCain also did some campaigning in DC last week. Maybe he'll lock up those 3 EV in the near future.
McCain Campaign ~ Best Campaign Ever ~
boobot said:
I don't know if doing it today would be such a great idea. McCain has made such a show about "suspending his campaign" and "putting his country first" that any major negative ads that drive the news cycle while the bailout bill is still being negotiated will probably cause a serious backlash.
I guess that depends on how truly horrible they think she'll be. It may be spin, but the word is not good. If she's going to tank, smoke is the only cover they've got.
@dave-london
Dave, what I was trying to say is I don't think PA really gives McCain his best chance at a flip.
MI is still McCain's best shot at a flip, but the racist stuff did not seem to be working for him there.
I want more MI polls!
Did anyone else hear McCain on NPR this morning? He sounded tired and fed up
fred, PPP is polling Michigan. Should be out today or tomorrow.
Michelle Obama in Boulder, CO
Live Video
http://us.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream3
Major gaffe can happen anytime :-)
By my count from the sidebar, there were 19 polls from MI in September...16 showed Obama ahead, 2 showed McCain and 1 tie.
"I dunno...I was hoping for a more ringing endorsement. This final bit is powerful though (not just voting for obama, but voting for yourself, your kids, etc)."
I think if he suddenly came out "rah-rah-Barack" in his first stump speech, it would not be taken seriously. He certainly didn't phone it in though - he had some real fire.
fred, the last MI poll was obama up by 13.
Time:
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1846065,00.html
Obama +7
WOOOHOOOO!
As much as I grumble about Bill Clinton's tepid meanderings about Obama, he sure can campaign.
Nigel said: "that's the issue with McCain he either does nothing or does big bold and dramatic moves which are quite often just plain wrong."
ITA. I think McCain's proclivity for drama strikes most people as pathetic and corny, certainly not calm, responsible and presidential.
Though I doubt it is the case, I hope Arizona is really the toss up that I keep hearing. I would like mine and my friends' votes to make a difference this election. It says a lot when McCain's home state isn't sure he'd make a good President.
Did anyone else hear McCain on NPR this morning? He sounded tired and fed up
"Old Man Yells at Clouds"
I still think the race card can affect MI more than WI or MN. Just my view, I am from the midwest...
Soon McCain will be completely on defense anyway. FL, NC, MO, OH.
>>Michelle Obama in Boulder, CO
Major gaffe can happen anytime :-)
before you get too orgasmic...remember Michelle isn't actually running for office.
From the Time poll:
"Among the poll's most dramatic findings: McCain is losing female voters faster than Sarah Palin attracted them after the Republican convention. Obama leads McCain by 17 points with women, 55%-38%. Before the conventions, women preferred Obama by a margin of 10 points, 49%-39%. After McCain picked Palin as his running mate, the gap narrowed to a virtual tie, with Obama holding a one point margin, 48%-47%."
Sorry folks, but this election is over. Phish have announced their comeback. 9/11, both Bush wins, all of that happened when Phish were broken up.
Any recent polls on Palin's popularity or lack thereof?
inkstain - doesn't feel as good as you might think! Of course, the last few years have made me a little blase about baseball. ;) The Cubs look real good this year, though...
The only color folks are worried about right now...is green.
"cugel,
The conservatives are already encouraging McCain to go into full slash and burn mode. Here comes Rev Wright, Rezko, Ayers. They know they have zero chance to win on issues.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/14146.html"
They also have zero chance to win by going "extremely negative." When you're trailing as badly as they are it just looks desperate.
McCain lost this election because the economic collapse shot the foundation out from under his entire campaign. Remember the McCain camp saying "this election will be about personalities."
Republicans ALWAYS want elections to be about "personalities" -- about flag waving and flag pins, and abortion and "I'm a POW!" and other useless crap that has ZERO effect on people's lives.
They were well on their way, with a 2-3% lead after their convention and the media babbling inanely about what a "wonderful hockey-mom!" Palin was, and how it's "an election changer!"
But, the economic crisis is so HUGE that the media can't resort to its usual crap, endless discussion of whether Obama's lack of a flag-pin is too "elitist" and personalities and fluff. The scumbags in the media actually had to cover REAL NEWS for a change.
And that destroyed McCain. He's lost 14% in Florida and Ohio in the last ten days in the Quinnipiac polling as people start focusing on issues rather than personalities.
Does anybody care if "McCain is a POW!" or "Original Maverick"(tm) now?
How important does Palin's ability to skin a moose seem now?
Unless voters suddenly decide that the "crisis is over, now we can all go back to sleep" McCain can forget about it. He's toast.
And the final debates aren't going to change that. '
It's nothing McCain has done (although he's screwed up plenty). It's the simple fact that he's a REPUBLICAN and REPUBLICANS got us in this mess, so who are you really going to trust to fix it? Another REPUBLICAN or perhaps a DEMOCRAT for a change.
No matter how many times McCain blathers on about being a "Maverick" nobody is buying his B.S. any more!
I have in no way been with this site long enough to truly say this, but my little baby is all grow up and on TV!
Good Job Nate and Sean!
I don't know what distraction the McCain campaign could possibly put on now. They already used up their credibility, Obama was not distracted by the "suspension", and if they go too far into right field the average voter will be more upset by campaign talking nonsense while their personal retirement money is disappearing.
I'm not saying that the campaign is over or that they won't try something, but I'm doubtful that it will have any effect at this point.
Btw right wing pundits dropping off of the McCain-Palin bandwagon and other events, its becoming pretty bipartisan to not vote for McCain.
A rising tide lifts all Democratic boats. Recognize in this analogy that Barack Obama is the Moon.
-- Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin
Utah just moved up to 2% Obama probability...hahahaha.
Missouri is almost pure white on that map, wow.
---MI is still McCain's best shot at a flip, but the racist stuff did not seem to be working for him there.---
Hhahahaha. McCain's not winning MI. The GOP needs to let that fantasy go. It's as likely as Obama winning MO.
Re. the NPR interview. It's confirming an astonishing pattern that I've been seeing over the last few weeks:
Interviewers area actually giving republican guests a hard time, and serving up challenging questions. Maybe even a hint of that famed liberal media bias finally emerging.
Just being honest folks.
Allen said:
The problem with trying to politicize Wright, Ayers, and Rezko at this point is that the GOP already threw that sh*t at the wall, and most of if didn't stick.
In order of importance:
Ayers? That is SUCH a stretch. Trying to paint nefarious connections with a man that was notorious when Obama was 7 years old just smacks of desperation. That's the reason why the Ayers thing only gets serious mention on the right-wing kook sites.
Rezko? The facts about this have been known for a lot longer -- and there's nothing damning in it to make people care. Simply put, the only thing the GOP can run with here is guilt by association, similar to Ayers.
Wright? This is perhaps the best ammunition the GOP spin machine has. The problem is that they already spun this one pretty heavily back in the spring and look where Obama is today. The verdict? Level-headed thinkers have pretty much dismissed the outlandish claims. And they largely aren't prepared to believe that Obama hold the same views. What makes this the most explosive is the "angry black man" association that is possible. Obama has been wonderfully counter-acting that image by keeping his cool.
My gut instinct is that none of these really have the potential to be a race-altering issue in the last month before election day because they've already been played out once before, and the undecideds have already moved on from them.
I agree that these issues, by themselves, are not enough to change anything. The public has heard enough. That's why I think they almost HAVE to go over the top SO far that the ads or accusations become an issue in and of themselves. That's what McCain did over the Summer with his 'The One ad and his other wacky charges. The goal isn't to tar Obama with Ayers, it's to get the narrative OFF the economy and put Obama in the position of having to answer rather than ask.
Will it work? Probably not. But I don't see any other game changers out there, short of a terrorist attack, that could switch the momentum back to McCain this late.
Here comes the deep recession from the credit crisis. The purchasing numbers this morning had their steepest drop since 1984. The bailout will pass now, because this has surely scared congress to death, but is it too late is the question? Obama is going to have a whale of a recession on his hands.
Obama got the theme of this election right from day one:
CHANGE
He's carried the mantle for 18 months and its coming to fruition now.
Obama down to +4 in Gallup today.
It's over. :(
Actually, poker, according to this site McCain's currently as likely to win MI (12%) as Obama is to win LA (11%). Meaning, it ain't gonna happen for either of them unless there's a massive shift in the national polls.
I'm surprised the GOP trying to remove Ohio early voting isn't being reported on more closely with interviews and on maybe Larry King and other shows. Maybe I missed it or something.
This seems like huge news to me.
For anyone interested in a central point for voter suppression news, go to Bradblog.
This article has a link to help you determine if you are still registered.
Good luck.
Sharp, you're shooting from the hip again. I think the media and people generally got stirred by SNL and Tina Fey. The race was tied before that skit.
I created a Facebook group for fans of FiveThirtyEight if anybody wants to join. Just search under groups. FYI.
". I think the media and people generally got stirred by SNL and Tina Fey. The race was tied before that skit."
Not really. But even then, the race has just moved back to its natural state outside the convention bounces.
just loving those Quin polls - especially FL O +
then TIME has Obama 50, Mac 43 = +7 Obama
even YouGov got back on the Obama bandwagon again - although a little slow...
Economist / YouGov-Polimetrix
9/22-24/08; 1,000 Adults, 4%
Mode: Internet Panel
Mc 43 Ob 46 OT 3 UND 7 NV 1
plus
Democracy Corps (D)
9/28-30/08; 1,000 LV, 3%
Mode: Live Telephone Interviews
(source)
National
Obama 49, McCain 45, Nader 2, Barr 1, Paul 0
Battleground States
Obama 50. McCain 44, Nader 2, Barr 1, Paul 0
======================================
a GREAT day for Obama !!!
plus Bill Clinton is in Central FL now just gave a good speech - FL is going BLUE !!!
RCP now had Obama with 348 EV - AMAZING !!!
that is even more EVs than Nate's projection...
FIRED UP & READY TO GO !!!
Tyler, thanks for the post...
Nate, when are going to post about Voter Protection in states like Colorado where there is a rumor that up to 25% of voters might get canned because of "no match, no vote rule"....I heard a rumor that some records have middle name, some have middle initial, and some don't have either and the Republican party is using this as no match and trying to throw that out...
AK
Interviewers are giving McCain a hard time not based on his politics, but because he was dumb enough to attack them over Sarah Palin. He lost the media that day, another really dumb move for Schmidt.
Man oh Manishevitz. Them’s some pretty numbers. I was already planning on hosting an election night party in Brooklyn after I get back from canvassing PA. Now I’m thinking I better cover my furniture with a plastic tarp.
".I heard a rumor that some records have middle name, some have middle initial, and some don't have either and the Republican party is using this as no match and trying to throw that out..."
There's just no way that would survive a court challenge.
Gallup 48-44 Obama.
Gallup -
Obama 48
McCain 44
A Hobson's choice is a choice were all you have is a bad chouice. It comes from a play where the eponymous hero basically has to choose between saving his daughter or his wife, if my memory of school literature holds.
Obama's lead looks to once again be softening ever so slightly in the national polls. But it's not clear to me whether McCain's going to be able to push it much closer. Looking at the timings, it would seem that a couple points of Obama's lead are basic economic/steady state and a couple points are Palin. I suspect Obama's given back the points that were short-term reaction to the suspension/bailout fiasco. I doubt Palin will hit a big enough home run tomorrow to get the skeptics back in her camp, but I could be mistaken.
Right now the state polls coming out are reflecting the peak of Obama's lead. I'll be interested to see how the state polling looks by the end of the week, especially in NC and OH. Would bet MO and IN will probably stick McCain unless Obama's lead starts growing again.
Looking at gallup, these numbers were reflective when obama was 8 points ahead... But it seems that is now cut down to half. In my opinion, I have been monitoring polls for a while now. Is that the state polls start reflecting national polls few days later (if they change). In my opinion if Obama doens't gain back at least +6 in the next few days. You can throw these FL, Ohio, PA results into trash.
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What a great birthday present!!
Even if those Q polls are overly optimistic, they can't be THAT far off the mark! I'd be happy to see a 5-6 point lead in PA and OH - and a 2-3 point lead in FL at this point.
I'm trying not to get over-confident, but I'm certainly breathing easier today.
Ciao! (happy birthday to me, happy birthday to me ...)
>>Sharp, you're shooting from the hip again. I think the media and people generally got stirred by SNL and Tina Fey. The race was tied before that skit.
Jeez. Hold your fire already. I'm as desperate for an Obama victory as anyone here - but I hate it when folks treat politics as a sporting event - our side is always right there's is always wrong etc.
No one here seems to be disagreeing that the press is being tougher on McCain/Palin these days - so what's your issue?
And by the way I agree with McCain on ethanol subsidies. Very lame idea.
McCain Landslide !!
---A Hobson's choice is a choice were all you have is a bad chouice. It comes from a play where the eponymous hero basically has to choose between saving his daughter or his wife, if my memory of school literature holds.---
It's when you can do something you know will fail or do nothing. It's not when you have too bad options. Voting in the USSR in the 70's for instance.
Idiots like Chris Matthews, who can't even get the terminology correct "It's a Hobsonian choice!! Where's my whiskey!!" often use it incorrectly to mean the choice between two bad options.
happy birthday, ass.
"Looking at gallup, these numbers were reflective when obama was 8 points ahead... But it seems that is now cut down to half. In my opinion, I have been monitoring polls for a while now. Is that the state polls start reflecting national polls few days later (if they change). In my opinion if Obama doens't gain back at least +6 in the next few days. You can throw these FL, Ohio, PA results into trash."
Utterly ridiculous. You can't look at a point or two movement in a single poll and make judgments like that.
Look at the entirety of the data points.
Sharpy, you had one too many coffee or what?
Camp McCain is using the excuse that their own internal polling is so much better than anything the mere public gets to see. I find this rather unlikely as they are raking over the same data, unless McCain's camp is engaging in some sort of push-polling.
themudflats.net had the story about the "game-changer" of Bristol Palin's wedding. I just cannot see people being interested, even in McCain shows up and Sarah Palin has a big beaming smile: too many other photos and stories have suggested that those kids don't want to be together and are merely being forced together for the sake of Mom's career. Sure, the National Enquirer will cover it but they've had their crack troops there for weeks now.
Gallup, screwy as ever.
Didn't they have McCain tied with Obama last week?
No one here seems to be disagreeing that the press is being tougher on McCain/Palin these days - so what's your issue?
The press was tougher to Obama all the way up from Wright to about a week ago. McCain's incessant attacks on them, lies, bad choice of VP and constant flip-flops and gaffes have changed that a bit.
>>Sharpy, you had one too many coffee or what?
kiss my assmole
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