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(WASHINGTON) — Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens has been convicted of lying about free home renovations and other gifts he received from a wealthy oil contractor.The election being thrown into "disarray" is a polite way to put it. Obviously, we'll want to get Ivan Moore or Rasmussen out into the field ASAP. But it's hard to imagine Stevens having more than a snowball's chance in hell of hanging onto his seat. In some ways, the 12 jurors in Washington may have been the first voters of the 2008 election.
The Senate's longest-serving Republican, Stevens was found guilty on all seven counts of making false statements on Senate financial documents.
The verdict throws the upcoming election into disarray. Stevens is fighting off a challenge from Democrat Mark Begich and must now either drop out or continue campaigning as a convicted felon.
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Mixed bag, but I was expecting an improvement for McCain anyway. And it is Rasmussen/FOX on Monday afterall.
I'm a little concerned about Colorado and Virgina though. I really want to see a new Nevada poll though.
I think mammoth is doing performace art.
or having a seizure.
joshua, take a look at the NC numbers then - they have comparisons with 2004 too. Already, there are 15% more early voters, and far more dems etc. IMHO NC has already gone.
So I've been doing a lot of thinking about Palin lately... I remember Nate's story about how Palin was a better pick on paper than in reality. I think the problem with this analysis is that the reality was created by McCain. Obama has never really framed Palin, they were cuaght pretty flat footed. This has been McCain and his people. They have completely messed up her roll out. Part of it is that she wasn't ready and lacks intellectual curiousity but a lot of it is the McCain campaign. They have turned her into a characture. They themselves call her a diva even though they were the one's who dressed her up in 150,000 dollar clothing.
Shame on you McCain campaign.
joshua- ypou are right that early voting is not he end of the race, but i sure like starting out this race further along from the starting post. and all the talk of demo advantage has got to dampen the reps who think mccain still has a chance.
@newsinOH said...
Stepping back a bit here but, seriously, we're concerned about the polls from MISSOURI and NORTH CAROLINA?!?!?!? Who would have thought they'd even be in play at this point? Amazing
I need those to get my 270 before crossing the Mississippi. I still need GA and WV to. But that way I can get a good nights sleep next Tuesday :)
Dozens Of Call Center Workers Walk Off Job In Protest Rather Than Read McCain Script Attacking Obama
Link
Email to McCain:
Dear John,
After viewing the Ras numbers I have a fork in my hand ready to insert in your decaying political corpse. Just need to know where you want me to stick it.
Love,
Jeremy
The Obama campaign says they had not been informed about this plot.
"Not sure what the niceties are here, but one would think they'd be given a head's up and not have to hear about it from a reporter."
Several outlets report that the threat wasn't serious enough to alert the Secret Service. Two dumb crazy guys in Tenn with no imminent threat--but enough of a verifiable threat to be arrested. As a poster on another site said "Say goodbye to the few teeth you have between you, guys, someone in prison is likely to take care of those for you."
"back in 04 48% were dems voting early and like 25% were republicans. and bush still won."
actually it was 48-37, not 48-25. And this year there are more early voters, and they are more weighted towards Dem (55-28).
since you're already connected to the internet, you could find out these facts for yourself.
http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2008.html
Joshua, you are WRONG. Here are the numbers thus far:
2008 2004
Party
Dem
55.1% 48.6%
Rep
27.7% 37.4%
None
17.2% 14.1%
http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2008.html
Looks a bit better than 2004 especially considering that more early votes have been cast than in 2004 already!
re: Joe the Plumber campaigning with McCain
Well maybe McCain will be able to fill a 2000 seat venue now /snark/
No idea how many people Obama just finished giving a fantastic speech to but it sounded like 25000+ the crowd was fired up!
I want some Selzer polls. I want Indiana and Nevada the most right now as far as poll wise. Stil these numbers I don't believe will really shift Nate's map that much.
slicknickshady said...
I'm a little concerned about Colorado and Virgina though
relax
CO,VA are gone
wheres the days polls Nate?
seriously, has any one seen a poll that showed joe the fake plumber was a hit?
i keep thinking that joe is only a has b een who never was..
Missouri and North Carolina are both +2.5 to Obama on Election Night. Remember: you heard it here first.
Dozens Of Call Center Workers Walk Off Job In Protest Rather Than Read McCain Script Attacking Obama
AWESOME!!!!
I'm not surprised McCain's numbers are ticking up. The key thing is that in many of these states Obama remains above 50%. Doesn't matter that much if the bottom number for McCain is 42 or 47.
newsinoh:
Dozens Of Call Center Workers Walk Off Job In Protest Rather Than Read McCain Script Attacking Obama
The real shocker is that McCain has dozens of call center workers to begin with.
Ras polls were done on Sunday ?
The truly sick thing about the Joe the Plumber idiocy is that the original YouTube clip of Obama answering Joe's question about taxes was a perfect example of why Obama should be president. He was compassionate, thoughtful, reasonable, and kindly to a stranger who obviously opposed him.
"Dozens Of Call Center Workers Walk Off Job In Protest Rather Than Read McCain Script Attacking Obama"
Therein lies the enthusiasm gap.
If they liked McCain in the slightest way, they MAY lie for him.
Why the robo-calls? Why the attack calls? Why the push polls? They do not work without a semblance of support on the issues that matter.
He needed to get their support on the issues first, then do the negative crap.
The narrative has to be positive going into Election Day in order to win. Elections are like Ravel's Bolero. They have to peak on Election Day.
hey peeps, really, after all th epolling out of VA you will focus on Rass only because that is the closest? Obama ticked up in OH and FL that is great news. Co and VA are sealed. NC and MO are true toss ups.Excellent 8 days out and with all the talk of tightening.
jeremy
Dozens Of Call Center Workers Walk Off Job In Protest Rather Than Read McCain Script Attacking Obama
The real shocker is that McCain has dozens of call center workers to begin with.
Not to worry--they weren't volunteers but temporary employees of Americall in IN (where robocalls are illegal). They forfeited getting paid because the script was so evil.
Have you ever heard of upset, it
happens from time to time. Dems,
supporters of Obama don't get
complacent. We cant be like Usain
Bolt and pull up with ten yards to
go. Stay focused and encourage every one you know to get out and
vote.
With respect to the "Joe the Plumber" slogan, it's has no
substance, it's comical but it
doesn't address any contrast
between Obama and McCain. Nothing!
It's an empty suit.
Too bad for McCain/Palin.
Man, bad time to be a republican. Looks like we'll have a pretty good chance of a filibuster proof Senate after all.
Real Joe said...
Dozens Of Call Center Workers Walk Off Job In Protest Rather Than Read McCain Script Attacking Obama
##########
cubic damn.
I think Joe the Plumber is McCain's way of saying look I know a normal American, and is way into 'Obama the tax raising socialist' bit. But if Joe the Plumber is the best McCain can do during the last week of the campaign, well another reason that his campaign is going down in flames.
They were PAID callers not volunteers. Even then, they gave up pay rather than read the stuff.
word verification: agalling
it doesnt matter what the number is the point is dems always out number well, not always, but usualy outnumber republicans in early voting. absentee ballots republicans out numer dems 2 to 1. so just depends on what you look at. in the end NC,MO will go mccain all the others i have no idea about.
Real Joe said...
Ras polls were done on Sunday ?
I was interviewed by Rasmussen on Saturday. (The phone number that they left on my cell was a Texas number; I thought Rasmussen was a New Jersey outfit.)
Aidan MT4 said...
"The truly sick thing about the Joe the Plumber idiocy is that the original YouTube clip of Obama answering Joe's question about taxes was a perfect example of why Obama should be president. He was compassionate, thoughtful, reasonable, and kindly to a stranger who obviously opposed him."
I couldn't agree with you more (or, as John McCain would say, I couldn't agree with you). It's a shame that the whole clip isn't played more often so people could see how long Obama spent talking to this tool--admittedly far longer than I would have.
So... when will Alaska press the same argument against Palin? Didn't she do pretty much the same thing as a mayor of Wasilla when she did a deal to get her personal home built by the same company she gave the Wasilla Sports Center contract to?
I'm just sayin...
Scotty thru the Repubs a couple of bones with his polls.
NC:
Dems have huge voter reg advantage 46D 33R there is no way a dem getting 83% dem support and winning Indies by 20pts is behind.
From Palin's point of view, God has decided to be merciful and is arranging for the correct outcome this election day.
What do we rename the Alaska airport:
Watchyerwallet?
SomethingFishy?
CronyAir?
Finally, as our hero Palin says: The public isn't really talking about the relationship between Steven's and Palin.
She was "Palin" around with him for years.
Poll tightening?
NC-M 49 0 48
Real Joe said...
Antmatic is a male
October 27, 2008 5:11 PM
************************
and I'm not. :)
otf-Not all dems are automatically inclined to vote for Obama especially in southern states so voter ID does you little good!
BHO=JC
Gotta love that the Palin as a diva story has occupied so much in the news cycle . . .
So after doing a tiny bit of hand-wringing today over what does appear to be a slight tightening, I'm thinking more about the enthusiasm gap; and it reassures me somewhat.
I'm thinking 2004 when polls were tighter, but how I knew John Kerry still had an uphill battle because the Bush base was sooooo fired up over Bush/Cheney (honestly, even at the RNC's Palin debut this year it was not the same kind of energy as at the New York RNC in 2004). So maybe Obama doesn't get MO and IN, the electoral map remains in his favor and he's going to run up big wins in the blue states and keep a lot of red states close.
yup, yellow dog dems are racists who left in 1968. Party id does mean less in hell - oh, i mean the south.
From CNN: "The U.S. attorney's office in Jackson, Tennessee, said Daniel Cowart, 20, and Paul Schlesselman, 18, were self-described white supremacists who met online through a mutual friend."
Schlesselman?!
NAACP suing State of Virginia for not being prepared for unprecedented turnout. Would like polls open at least 2 hours longer, voting machines relocated and the federal government to help oversea Election day.
Just in on CNN:
NAACP is suing the Governor for being unprepared for election day.
They want the polls to be open an extra two hours.
my mother wants to know if the RNC is going to buy joe clothes too?
Bradley Effect said...
otf-Not all dems are automatically inclined to vote for Obama especially in southern states so voter ID does you little good!
Not true. Keep trying. In North Carolina, this is an issue. There are many Dixiecrats. That said, we can look at polls and how Dems are saying they'll vote. We can also look at past history. In North Carolina, McCain is likely to win about 20% of the dem vote. That said, there are many more Dems than Pubs. also, if we look at the Voter ID and see that in 2004 it was 48% dem and 37% Pub and in 2008, it's 55% Dem and 27% Pub, the Dems are doing better. In most states, this is not an issue as Dems and Pubs tend to vote about 90% for their own.
You really are dumb, the internals claim 83% of dems were supporting Obama. Which part of that don't you understand. If a dem gets 75% of dem support in NC the win everytime, espcially if they hav a 20 pt lead in indies. You should really learn something about NC.
OTF said...
Scotty thru the Repubs a couple of bones with his polls.
##########
yes.
seen from abroad,Rasmusson is really biased toward GOP.
Wonder why Nate wants to take Scotty along whit him on a desert island.
...Maybe Nate wants to be sure that nobody is listening to ask some straight question to Scotty.
es:
Scotty,why didn't you take any(rien-nada-nessuno) state poll the week after DNC convention but you gave us plenty of them just the week after RNC convention ????
...just curios...
eric said..."BHO=JC"
BullSh%t, No comparison should be
made. BHO is a man who is running
for the office of president, period.
He is not like JC or JC in any
stretch of the imagination.
A cure for those getting their signs stolen:
http://www.burntorangereport.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7247
Bradley Effect said...
Poll tightening?
NC-M 49 0 48
October 27, 2008 5:27 PM
#############
too late ?????
:P
Man, I really miss Mule Rider.
the funny thing is that Rass has Obama gaining in NC because he had McCain ahead. So we will see how it is at the end of the week when he polls again.
One$Earned said...
BullSh%t, No comparison should be
made. BHO is a man who is running
for the office of president, period.
He is not like JC or JC in any
stretch of the imagination.
------------------------------
Not true. They're both Arabs.
snarky snark.
Why would anyone ever miss MR? He is a gay hating, racist prick.
I miss VA Con.
erm, Nate said he'd take Scottie's POLLS with him to the desert island, NOT Scottie himself!!!!
One$Earned said...
eric said..."BHO=JC"
BullSh%t, No comparison should be
made. BHO is a man who is running
for the office of president, period.
He is not like JC or JC in any
stretch of the imagination.
I'm not intending on offending anyone, but I think JC was a great man that believed he was just that a man. He inspired people to make the world a better place. More than a billion believe what I don't, so I'm not going to argue, since I don't know. all I'm saying is the qualities that people admire in JC are exhibited in spades in BHO. That said, yes BHO is just a man.
I certainly hope that the stevens verdict eats up airtime on the GOP's newest attack line.
Joe the Plumber is part of a piece with the "redistribution" meme (I heard it today as taking from hard working blue collar people" - it's to make white afraid that Obama is going to take their money and give it to blacks.
It's the basic, and it's about all they've got.
Nah, Nate would LAT or mc9cain to his desert island...
@crwtrobot...you said...Not true. They're both Arabs.
snarky snark.
If that is true then there must be
some facts, accounts, testimony,
video or audio that supports your
warped point of view. Feel free to
supply whatever you have for
scrutiny. I would love to see it so
I can make a more informed decision
on November 4th. So crwtrobot
help me to make a good decision.
Day 15: IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll
After seesawing between 3.2 and 3.9 points over the weekend, Obama's lead slipped to 2.8 Monday. Battleground also has Obama up 3, and other polls have tightened, including Rasmussen, Zogby and Gallup to 5. Some polls show swings in independents, but IBD/TIPP has them in a stable, 5-point range.
Poll tightening?
NC-M 49 0 48
McCain was +2 in last Rasmussen NC Poll on Friday.
oh my. they've just put the Louisiana early voting numbers up. GEEEZ! Could LA go BLUE next week?!?!? http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2008.html
I'm not intending on offending anyone, but I think JC was a great man that believed he was just that a man. He inspired people to make the world a better place. More than a billion believe what I don't, so I'm not going to argue, since I don't know. all I'm saying is the qualities that people admire in JC are exhibited in spades in BHO. That said, yes BHO is just a man.
Hear hear. Good to see people sticking up for Jimmy Carter.
lol another mike
SHERWICK said...
erm, Nate said he'd take Scottie's POLLS with him to the desert island, NOT Scottie himself!!!!
Erm, Nate said he'd take Ras's daily tracker to a desert island, not his state polls.
I hope the Barackathon TV show simply addresses the tax issue, FWIW. I was shocked to hear a caller on NPR interpret the tax policy as handing out checks to non-working people so they could continue not to work. Okay, that would be old-school welfare . . . but that's exactly what they've been "told"
However, the caller had deep southern drawl so I'm betting that he'd be way red no matter what. The elitist in me was rather shocked that he was calling NPR . . .
I just noticed the LA early voting numbers too. Put it this way, given those dates, as of right now Obama has a substantial lead.
Eric your comments are blasphemous! Plain and simple!
One$Earned is correct. Your atheist, agnostic etc. views should not deter other posters!
my point was that he doesn't want to take Scottie to the desert island..
@eric, simply, JC was the son of
God. Obama and his ability to
communicate and inspire may have been
similar to JC, but to equate the two
just doesn't sit well with me.
Peace.
Factually of course crwtrobot couldn't be less true. In fact Obama and jesus both were/are not Arabic. Jesus was Jewish. Obama's grandfather converted to the Islamic faith, and Kenya really is a long way away from the Arabic part of Africa anyway (try looking it up on a map). Sort of like accusing Palin of being Russian really.
sherwick said...
oh my. they've just put the Louisiana early voting numbers up. GEEEZ! Could LA go BLUE next week?!?!? http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2008.html
sherwick
its just more AA & Obama supporters voting early
fred,
I actually met Nate here in Chicago on Friday night! Lucky me. :)
ben--Do your really think those southern WHITE democrats in LA are voting for the black guy? Wishful thinking--at it's worst!
real joe - there's gonne be some surprises on election night!
site updated
Eric said...
BHO=JC
Yes, Johan Cruijff. Best soccer player ever! Best soccer coach ever!
>markmark....LOL on your response to
crwtrobot.
^5
Here's a pitch for the fences:
Stevens drops out. Palin leaves the McCain ticket in order to replace Stevens on the Alaska ballot. McCain announces if he is elected then Tom Ridge will be his veep. Conservatives go along with it to avoid Obama socialism. McCain/Ridge carries Pennsylvania which wins him the election while Palin keeps the seat in Alaska for the GOP and goes to Washington anyway.
Any reason this couldn't happen?
sherwick said...
real joe - there's gonne be some surprises on election night!
yes !
SHERWICK said...
erm, Nate said he'd take Scottie's POLLS with him to the desert island, NOT Scottie himself!!!!
October 27, 2008 5:38 PM
#########
I was just setting a parody...
anyway I am still kind of curious. and I would go personally whit Scotty on a desert island,I have no nasty dream,just to ask few question about his way to conduct a poll ,or why he keeps Nevada (having there Obama +5 in his own poll) in the toss up column.
LA is one state I would love to see go blue. A neat little ironic line under the Bush years.
emily
not going to happen
mc9cain said...
fred,
I actually met Nate here in Chicago on Friday night! Lucky me. :)
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
CBS evening news is coming down hard on Obama's fundraising tonight.
Is the MSM trying their best to keeep this thing tight?
Obama's closing argument:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081027/pl_politico/24729
great speech!
LA will never go blue
McCain landslide back! (1:10000)
Only 199 hours to go before the first polls close!!!!!!!!
Mc9cain-
Lets hope you and Nate got together...
As a fellow nerd, Nate needs it.
emily carson--America and the world would be better off should your hypothetical take place!
STOP WITH THE GODDAMN #############
ALREADY!!
kurt,
lol.
still 3.3% win percentage
LOL
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I Agree (very slightly) with Bradley Effect *shudder*. Outside of the big cities, LA is older, and as DEEP south as it gets. I have a relative in Monroe who is probably reg. democrat, but I can guarantee that he wouldn't vote for Obama in a million years. LA looks exciting and bodes very well for border states like MO, but I suspect that turning LA blue may be a bridge (levee?) too far.
The only fools spouting the "Chosen One" and "Savior" meme are the right-wing religious nuts. Obama supporters never refer to any divinity with regard to Barack. We just think he is inspirational, smart, and has created a grassroots organization that is about to kick some GOP ass.
BHO=JC
Yes, Johan Cruijff. Best soccer player ever! Best soccer coach ever!
Now that is blasphemy! Everyone knows Pele is the best ever.
LOL real joe. What Nate hasn't told you is that 3.3% refers to McCain's chances of winning ONE STATE!
;)
sherwick said...
LOL real joe. What Nate hasn't told you is that 3.3% refers to McCain's chances of winning ONE STATE!
;)
no
its the election
Emily, you've got a wonderful imagination. Ever consider writing a book?
Reason it won't happen. If Palin drops out of the ticket, so will the conservative wingnuts, causing him to lose the strongest supporters he does have. Regardless of the reason, and especially considering the recent revelations of acrimony within the ranks, the decision to drop Palin will be seen as just another hail Mary from an "erratic" McCain, and what independents were considering voting for him would run the hell away. Lose the wingnuts, lose the independents, and you've got a big, fat nothing.
That would be one scenerio under which Obama will carry just about every state in the Union.
One$Earned said...
If that is true then there must be
some facts, accounts, testimony,
video or audio that supports your
warped point of view. Feel free to
supply whatever you have for
scrutiny. I would love to see it so
I can make a more informed decision
on November 4th. So crwtrobot
help me to make a good decision.
______________
So... You'd like me to provide factual evidence for the drippingly sarcastic comment that was concluded with "snarky snark"?
Neat.
Ok.
So, do you want proof that the man with the well documented birth certificate listing Hawaii as his birthplace is Arab?
Or the mythical biblical figure with absolutely no documented empirical scientific evidence that he even existed as a fucking historical figure...was an Arab?
Your call, champ.
@emily
Too late to take names off the ballots and replace them with others.
Matt said...
CBS evening news is coming down hard on Obama's fundraising tonight.
Is the MSM trying their best to keeep this thing tight?
YES.
How the fuck do these pricks justify covering a non-story like that?
real joe,
will you be revealing the 'surprise' on election day morning?
I don't want to see any claims of a surprise after the fact! There is always a surprise on Election Day.
I hope Palin believes she matters. She'll be the gift that keeps on givng. 50% of the Republican Party, which is about 45% of the voters with a chunk of leaning Indys is about 22% of the voting public. They love her, that 1/2 of the Pubs. She'll never, ever win over 90% of the rest of us. So good luck GOP. Slow to change = no win for you.
There is a reason why CBS is by far the least watched nightly news! besides Katie cvouric being a cougar they suck.
Emily,
What SP said, plus the breaking news banner on CNN.com:
"Sen. Ted Stevens vows to fight his conviction on federal corruption charges and says he remains a candidate for re-election."
Pity though. if it'd happened, I might have seen my home state turn blue for the first time since the civil rights act.
Heather Nordquist said...
The only fools spouting the "Chosen One" and "Savior" meme are the right-wing religious nuts. Obama supporters never refer to any divinity with regard to Barack. We just think he is inspirational, smart, and has created a grassroots organization that is about to kick some GOP ass.
^
Well maybe you need to check this out with eric. Take a look at eric's statements near the top of this thread!
Sen. Ted Stevens vows to fight his conviction on federal corruption charges and says he remains a candidate for re-election.
Heather Nordquist said...
The only fools spouting the "Chosen One" and "Savior" meme are the right-wing religious nuts. Obama supporters never refer to any divinity with regard to Barack. We just think he is inspirational, smart, and has created a grassroots organization that is about to kick some GOP ass = JC.
I'm not arguing that BHO is chosen one, savior, divine. I'm arguing that he is inspirational, smart, and has created a grassroots organization that is about to kick some GOP ass and is like JC.
markymark said...
Factually of course crwtrobot couldn't be less true. In fact Obama and jesus both were/are not Arabic. Jesus was Jewish. Obama's grandfather converted to the Islamic faith, and Kenya really is a long way away from the Arabic part of Africa anyway (try looking it up on a map). Sort of like accusing Palin of being Russian really
__________________________
Indeed.
But answer me this, my friend-
When people tell you knock-knock jokes, do you attempt to open an actual door?
"Too late to take names off the ballots and replace them with others."
We vote for electors not the actual names - or something like that. If McCain were to become incapacitated tomorrow the early voting for the GOP would still count. What I don't know is if they can place ANYONE at the top of the ticket. Could someone please respond with the answer to that. I am very curious.
Today there are red states and blue states, there are only blue states.
there are no red states
arguing over religion is silly, so I'll stop. I don't know anything.
What I do know is they exhibit many of the same qualities or so it is written. As for divinity, above my paygrade with respect to both.
I'm going to put off flying to Anchorage to visit family for a few weeks--until the new signage is in place for "Felon International Airport" or whatever it becomes.
OK, another Alaskan here.
Stevens still has a very good chance to win here. Before you bash Alaska, remember that other states have elected dead guys. Plus, Stevens is unique. And, before you flame me, I've lived here for almost 30 years now, and I've voted against Uncle Ted every time.
First, there's the pity vote. The guy is 84 years old, and now faces jail time. Alaskans will not like that prospect, and might vote for him just to show support. After all, this guy has probably brought more money to this state than oil (which most of you won't like, but Alaskans do).
Secondly, he has built up a tremendous following in other ways. Just one little story. I took a cab home a few years ago, and somehow the discussion turned to Stevens. The cab driver told the story of meeting his wife, a foreigner then, and having endless trouble with the state departement getting citizenship for her. One call to Ted Stevens, and the problem was solved the next day. This is a *cab driver*. Uncle Ted actually did care about *all* Alaskans, and I will give him credit for that.
And, as others have pointed out, if Stevens wins, but gets booted from the Senate, Alaska will have a special election to replace him. Many Alaskans will think this way, and we're a very republican state, so they may decide that is the way to go.
In summary, I wouldn't start celebrating just yet. I will vote for Begich, and I think he will win. Unscientifically, I'd say about 3:1 in favor of Begich.
crwtrobot,
Much as I hate to get into a titfertat on this sort of thing, your joke was not in the best of tastes, putting snark at the end didn't quite get over the point that you being sarcastic/ironic (bear in mind I live in the UK so have a highly tuned sarcasm/irony radar), and we are fairly upto our eyeballs in all manner of trolls at the moment, so its difficult to know who is being ironic and who is beuing a troll.
ogre said...
I'm going to put off flying to Anchorage to visit family for a few weeks--until the new signage is in place for "Felon International Airport" or whatever it becomes.
If the Anchorage paper (largest in Alaska) has any influence, perhaps the city will be blue this time.
Once again eric you are WRONG!
And even though I disagree almost totally with the majority of you policy wise, I am sure a few of your liberal-leaning friends on this blog (although some may not admit to it at this time) will agree that Jesus Christ and Barack Obama shouldn't be compared in something as frivolous as a political analogy! Sorry! Your agnostic, atheistic views aside I am sure other people of the Christian faith find your "comparison" disturbing!
markymark,
I would be being "ironic" with regards to end of days ,second coming, vague background, incredibly special qualities that match up very closely with JC description - divinity.
@shawn,
The names on the ballots will stay the same no matter what happens at this point. Who electors vote for is another matter.
Bradley Effect said...
Once again eric you are WRONG!
And even though I disagree almost totally with the majority of you policy wise, I am sure a few of your liberal-leaning friends on this blog (although some may not admit to it at this time) will agree that Jesus Christ and Barack Obama shouldn't be compared in something as frivolous as a political analogy! Sorry! Your agnostic, atheistic views aside I am sure other people of the Christian faith find your "comparison" disturbing!
Fair enough.
I'm Christian and there's nothing at all wrong with what eric said. Well said eric!!
Ak_Space_Man said...
OK, another Alaskan here.
Stevens still has a very good chance to win here. Before you bash Alaska, remember that other states have elected dead guys. Plus, Stevens is unique. And, before you flame me, I've lived here for almost 30 years now, and I've voted against Uncle Ted every time.
Do you really believe that Stevens who was trailing before the verdict can now surpass his opponent?
markymark said...
crwtrobot,
Much as I hate to get into a titfertat on this sort of thing, your joke was not in the best of tastes, putting snark at the end didn't quite get over the point that you being sarcastic/ironic (bear in mind I live in the UK so have a highly tuned sarcasm/irony radar), and we are fairly upto our eyeballs in all manner of trolls at the moment, so its difficult to know who is being ironic and who is beuing a troll.
___________________________
If ending a post with the word "snark" is not a big enough tip... I don't know what to tell ya, dude.
But right now I would just like to step back and marvel at the enormity of my not caring about this.
/end
eric,
Yeah the irony radar worked on that one!
bradley effect- how does one get to be agnostic and atheistic at the same time? (Or where you being ironic too?)
Ak_Space_Man said...
"The cab driver told the story of meeting his wife, a foreigner then, and having endless trouble with the state departement getting citizenship for her. One call to Ted Stevens, and the problem was solved the next day."
I'm glad the cab driver's wife was able to gain citizenship, but this sort of small- (or big-) favor politics is exactly what got Stevens into trouble. It's a paternalistic frame of mind that leads to corruption and unfairness, and it's a pox on the democracy at large, even if it's kind to a single person.
CameronsCrusaders said...
NAACP suing State of Virginia for not being prepared for unprecedented turnout. Would like polls open at least 2 hours longer, voting machines relocated and the federal government to help oversea Election day.
Is early voting low in Virginia because of this? If so, it's not being reported. The only numbers available for Virginia are for Fairfax County. It has very low turnout relative to other states if the numbers are similar everywhere. Peculiar. anyone know what's up with Virginia early voting?
RNC is buying time in Montana per Politico and Ambinder at The Atlantic.
Seretse,
The polls showed Stevens gaining, and it was essentially a tie before the verdict. Now, that it has actually happened, a new set of thought processes take over. Will our 84-year-old Senator actually have to spend time in jail? There will be a pity vote, but that will be balanced against those who vote with more common sense. Anway, to answer you question, yes I really believe that he has a realistic chance to win. Begich is a strong candidate however; the best that I can remember, so hopefully Alaskans will look at him as a good choice, regardless of their feelings about Stevens.
"anyone know what's up with Virginia early voting?"
I'm a VA resident, and while I haven't spent an excessive amount of time looking, I am pretty adept with a computer and I have no idea where to go if I want to vote early. I've looked. The board of elections website offers no help.
Then again, my polling place (which is an elem. school) is like a tenth of a mile from my house, and I have a pretty flexible schedule, so I'm not particularly motivated to vote early.
markymark--I didn't intend to imply that agnosticism or atheism were one and the same. From my prospective and his comments, I got the impression that he was not an overly religious person certainly not of the Christian variety; hence the reference to agnosticism and atheism in my response.
Montana is officially a battleground state now, the RNC is running ads against Obama there. What do their internals show? Why waste money on the three EVs anyway?
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/rnc_goes_up_in_montana.php
"Early voting" in VA is the equivalent of absentee ballot in person (I know how absurd that sounds). Basically, you need to have a reason why you need to vote early. The only one a majority of people can probably claim is that their work hours + commute >= 11 hours. For that reason, a vast majority of Virginians, myself included, will not be voting until November 4th.
If the polling continues until 9:00 PM instead of 7:00 PM, it will be a looong night (not that I don't want everyone to have a chance to vote).
eric--I have relatives in VA who were told there wasn't early voting! That is going to make for one heck of a line on next Tuesday!
" Emily Carson said...
Here's a pitch for the fences:
Stevens drops out. Palin leaves the McCain ticket in order to replace Stevens on the Alaska ballot. McCain announces if he is elected then Tom Ridge will be his veep. Conservatives go along with it to avoid Obama socialism. McCain/Ridge carries Pennsylvania which wins him the election while Palin keeps the seat in Alaska for the GOP and goes to Washington anyway.
Any reason this couldn't happen?"
Just about every single sentence is impossible for one reason or another. Stevens can't drop out, the Repubs are stuck with him on the ballot. Even if he could drop out, Palin wouldn't want to run for a smaller office, and lose anyway. McCain could urge Republican electors to vote for Ridge for VP, but in some states they would be oath-bound to vote for Palin, since (as with Stevens) that's the name on the ballot and can't be changed now. Conservatives would never go for Ridge, because he's a "baby-killer" and they have no rationality on that topic. It probably wouldn't carry Pennsylvania anyway. And Pennsylvania isn't enough for McCain anymore if VA, CO, NV, etc. are gone.
justin32099,
"anyone know what's up with Virginia early voting?"
I'm a VA resident, and while I haven't spent an excessive amount of time looking, I am pretty adept with a computer and I have no idea where to go if I want to vote early. I've looked. The board of elections website offers no help.
Then again, my polling place (which is an elem. school) is like a tenth of a mile from my house, and I have a pretty flexible schedule, so I'm not particularly motivated to vote early.
October 27, 2008 6:20 PM
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Serious?? 2 seconds =-- Googled Virginia Board of elections - it's all over the front page dude. cmon now.
http://www.sbe.virginia.gov/cms/
Wow, Real Joe, A surprise?????? On Election night????? How prophetic!!!! (or should that be pathetic?)
aidan mt4
I agree with you to a certain extent, but there are often two sides to issues. Have you every tried to fight a government bureaucracy, even when your motives were noble and logic unassailable? I have, in other circumstances, and it was resolved with political intervention (in my favor). Sometimes, an advocate cuts through much red tape.
Anyway, it's an off-topic debate. The main point is that I'd bet that the cab driver will still vote for Ted, just as long as he's on the ballot. Ted has helped many, many people over almost 40 years in the Senate (plus made a few enemies!)
kittles93 said...
RNC is buying time in Montana per Politico and Ambinder at The Atlantic.
3 EV
LOL
RE: Cab driver and Stevens --As long as he didn't do anything illegal that's what Senators and Reps are SUPPOSED to do - help their constituency through hassles with the government.
Apropos of nothing, but I just got a call about voting early in Fairfax. For anyone that wants to know, the Fairfax County Gov't Center is one of the locations, and the call said something about 6 other satellite locations in the county. They also have Saturday hours.
More information is here: Link
Marc Ambinder:
RNC Goes Up In Montana
The state and its three electoral votes are now competitive?
A Democratic media buying source says -- Republicans won't yet confirm -- and Republicans now confirm -- that the RNC's independent expenditure arm has bought television ads in the state.
The ads begin Wednesday.
In 2004, George W. Bush won Montana by 20 points.
Ron Paul is on the ballot. And Ron Paul supporters aren't happy with John McCain...
A Republican congressman from Texas could throw the state to Barack Obama.
Developing....
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/rnc_goes_up_in_montana.php
Ak_Space_Man said...
"Have you every tried to fight a government bureaucracy, even when your motives were noble and logic unassailable? I have, in other circumstances, and it was resolved with political intervention (in my favor). Sometimes, an advocate cuts through much red tape."
Yes, sorry, it is a bit off-topic. In fact, I lived in a Third World, highly bureaucratized country for several years, and I know what you're talking about (e.g., having to spend a few DAYS to gain permission to make some photocopies). But the ultimate answer is to make these bureaucracies more efficient and citizen-friendly, not to work on this micro-level that bandages over problems. Stevens is an American Senator, for God's sake; he should be helping to solve these sorts of problems, not handing out favors like a feudal lord.
@Sherwick:
As a die-hard Democrat, all I can say is:
Please please PLEASE PLEASE *PLEASE* let the Republicans fall into line behind Palin and her ideology. I can think of nothing else that would better guarantee a Dem win in 2012 ...
-D(let them reap the whirlwind)K
P.S. Authentication word was 'cialix' Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?
ABC Anchor to Biden: Deny Obama's a Marxist!!! delightful 1 1/2 min summary at http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
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ABC Anchor to Biden: Deny Obama's a Marxist!!! delightful 1 1/2 min summary at http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com
She was just auditioning for Fox Noise: "Hey, Fox, hire me. Like most of your on-air news readers, I'm a blonde bimbo, and I can really recite those Republican talking points."
I love Biden's: "Is this a joke?" That line should be used every time one of those airheads shows his/her ignorance with a stupid "gotcha" question.
Justice is done!
As AlaskaGuy suggests, I think Nate and several of the commenters here are underestimating Stevens' massive fanbase in Alaska and the powerful and not particularly rational loyalty he has accrued over the last forty years. While I think the conviction has tipped the election in Begich's favor I would be wary of writing off Stevens, period. The Mudflats says everything I want to say better than I could:
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/ted-stevens-end-of-an-era/
Aidan MT4: "And what does the man in part responsible for both Palin and Iraq have to say about the McCain campaign: "Time for McCain to attack!"
Since I'm pretty sure Bill Kristol has never been right about anything, McCain should do whatever he says! :p
Stevens should have the decency to drop out like Duke Cunningham did last year. I doubt that'll happen though.
We should amendmend the Constitution to read that any member of Congress convicted of any crime above a misdemeanor while in office should be PERMANENTLY barred from holding any federal-level office or position.
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I hope that Anchorage has the class to rename the airport now.
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Why? Senator Stevens did a great job for the state of Alaska while he was on the straight and narrow. Just because he became a corrupt politician doesn't mean we take away all the good he did for the state before he became corrupted. I'm proud to say I did vote for an uncorrupted Stevens, just like I'm proud to say I'll be voting for Begich come Tuesday.
I know it is the oldest comment, but I loved Ryan's down the tubes line.
I referenced this article in a blog post discussing the Ted Stevens verdict.
http://objectors.us/
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