Something of the calm before the storm here, as there has been plenty of polling out since our previous update four days ago, but not in any one particular direction.
As before, the three critical races for any scenario in which the Democrats earn a 60-seat majority are the three vulnerable Republican incumbents in the South. These are Mitch McConnell in Kentucky, Saxby Chambliss in Georgia, and Roger Wicker in Mississippi. All three races lean Republican to the tune of about 2 points.
We could debate all day about which of these races in fact presents the best opportunity for the Dems. Mississippi would seem to be the toughest defense on paper, since Roger Wicker is an appointee rather than a true incumbent, and lacks some of the financial advantages trappings thereof. Mitch McConnell's approval ratings continue to worsen, and Bruce Lunsford has drawn into a tie in at least one poll (SurveyUSA) of Kentucky, but Barack Obama would seem to have fewer coattails there than in the other two states.
In Georgia, conversely, the early voting numbers have been favorable to Democrats, and the state in fact remains winnable for Barack Obama. But we have yet to see a poll putting Jim Martin ahead by any margin, and the race is complicated by the fact that a run-off will occur in December if neither candidate achieves a 50 percent majority (a distinct possibility as Libertarian Allan Buckley is likely to draw somewhere between 1 and 4 percent of the vote). It is hard to say which candidate would benefit from a run-off, but the default assumption is probably Saxby Chambliss, who wouldn't have to contend with an Obama turnout surge then, and who might benefit from an appeal to divided government (assuming that Obama wins the Presidency). Then again, in a world where Obama has prevailed, Democratic morale is likely to be much, much higher than Republican morale, and Democratic wallets are likely to be a bit more open; we could easily see eight figures pumped into a run-off election from each side.
The Democrats, meanwhile, remain the favorite in eight seats that are currently held by Republicans, although they are hardly out of the woods in several of them. Ted Stevens' approval scores have improved incrementally in Alaska, but his fate may be determined by 12 jurors in Washington as much as a couple hundred thousand voters up there. Al Franken's position has improved slightly in Minnesota to the extent where he's ahead in 4 out of the 5 most recent polls. But those polls are also showing a fairly large third-party vote that is unlikely to materialize in its entirety on Election Day, meaning that there are an unusually high number of persuadable voters.
Texas, where Rasmussen shows a double-digit lead for John Cornyn, has probably come off the board for the Democrats; it is no more likely to be a pickup than something like Nebraska, where the Scott Kleeb campaign is very excited about the Democrats' voter registration figures.
On the Republican side of things, Rasmussen shows Mary Landrieu's race in Louisiana tightening a bit, although the GOP nominated a fairly weak candidate in that race and any closure in likely to amount to too little, too late.
Polling follows:
10.24.2008
Senate Projections, 10/24
by Nate Silver @ 8:32 AM...see also senate, senate polls
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@Voice,
I always liked the Frank Zappa quote:
"Politics is the entertainment branch of Industry."
Oh, and GWB went "nucular."
There are many illegals fron Ireland. What is your point?
I did a study here where I reweighed the regions of the IDB study to the best possible numbers from the 2004 election. All of a sudden, Obama had a 4 point lead. In addition to their other problems, they're overweighing the south.
charles crook said...
Chrysler to cut 25% of salaried workers.
How does that play in IN, OH, PA?
:-(
I learn more and more about you every day, lat.
You're a latino woman who loves fashion, but is a self described geek. You sound sexy, lol...and an Obama fan to boot. Someone marry this woman.
chopperjc said...
There are many illegals fron Ireland. What is your point?
NO ILLEGALS
irish, hispanic or blue
i don't give a fu**
any polls coming out ?
"NO ILLEGALS"
Do you have any proposal on how you can make this happen, including the cost and manpower required?
re: RCP's last lead for JM?
Notably the last time JM led on electoral-vote.com was around Sep 18th..
Now, compare it to 2004;
The EV count leads were up and down daily, Kerry one day then Bush exchanging states daily like presents...
...also in 2004 there were periods where Bush had 3-5pt leads in WI, 1-2pt leads in PA, MN & MI at one point. Also Kerry had draws and weak leads in NJ, PA, CT, CA, OR, WA and ME to name a few... all between Sep 15 - Oct 31 2004.
Also Kerry had small one-off leads in TN and AR. Plus the other Kerry leads in 'red states' like VA, FL, CO, NV and OH were razor thin 48-47 usually... and never sustained for long...
It is intriguing!
"Do you have any proposal on how you can make this happen, including the cost and manpower required?"
My plan would be to sink our economy so bad that you'd have to be stupid to come here illegally to look for work...oh wait.........
new thread y'all
shadowguidex said...
"Joe the Plumber lost credibility with many when it was revealed that he isn't licensed as a plumber, and that he owes back taxes."
I particularly love the fact that as the self-appointed crusader for small business....his actions brought heat and attention on his boss for potentially breaking the law in having Joe doing that work and in all the time he's been away from the 2 plumber business he's likely either quit to try to milk this or been fired for being a moron. I haven't heard which as of yet.
In 1993 McCain spout off like an angry grunt, scrooge about how campaign contributions should never be used for things like clothing, $299 for bowties!, can someone explain this?
How about $150,000 for clothes you ASSHOLE hypocrite!
lol shadow. I guess your plan is now operative.
shadow, are you a woman?
The only way is to cut off money. Start prosucuting business for illegal hiring instead of round up tactics.
I´m latin, too.
gotta love Michael Moore and his plumbers for Obama
darĂo said...
I´m latin, too.
dario
we know that my friend
:-)
"How does that play in IN, OH, PA?"
It is devastating to towns like Kokomo or Anderson in Indiana.
Indiana lost 4,500 manufacturing jobs in September alone. The state is dying on the vine and they have the Patron Saint of Federal Budget Deficits as their Governor, Mitch Daniels.
In the 1970s, the working class in Indiana were told by Republicans that declaring the state a 'right to work' state was good for them. It wasn't. In the 1980s, small towns in Indiana were told that corporate farming was in their best interests as communities by Republicans. It wasn't. In the 1990s, NAFTA was sold to workers as a free market solution to their plant production woes by the Indiana Chamber of Commerce. It wasn't. In the 2000s, small towns were dying on the vine in Indiana and manufacturing jobs are almost non-existent.
Why Hoosiers are not warming up the tar and plucking the chickens with an eye on getting the bastards who sold them this bill of goods, I have no idea...
Sad news about Chrysler...
@lat
The Latinos overwhelmingly support BO. That is just killing the McCain campaign. 70/30 was the last split I saw here in NM.
Si Se Puede :)
@realjoe
If you don't want to be painted as a racist, don't make blanket statements. If you don't really know something, don't comment on it.
US Jews Favor Obama 2:1
Rick said...I hope it's an avalanche in the electoral college so that Palin's chances of emerging as the 'future' of the GOP are flat-out destroyed."
I agree on the elctoral college bit, but disagree regarding Palin. It's remarkable to me that some of the otherwise intelligent Republican pundits, somewhow nelieve she'll come out a credible candidate in the future. She'd get massacred in any national contest where she's on top of the ballot. I dare them to pick her. I'd only be concerned with a fiscally conservative, centrist Republican, Mitt Romney, Bobby Jindal, Kay Bailey Hutchison type. Bring on Palin, please!!! I like Huckabee, but would be more than happy to run against him too. Niche candidates cannot win 50% of the vote.
heather--I am latina too and knew that our demographic would go big for Obama. Si se puede indeed!
It's remarkable to me that some of the otherwise intelligent Republican pundits, somewhow nelieve she'll come out a credible candidate in the future.
Reason Why?
I have a challenging question that I don't know the answer to. I wonder if any political gurus out there can come up with the answer? Who is the last President to have never lost an election?
Here's my list so far:
Obama lost his first Congressional race to Bobby Rush (2000)
McCain lost Presidential primary run (2000)
Bush Jr. lost his first Congressional race 1980s
Clinton lost a Governor's race 1980s
GHW Bush lost to Clinton in 1992
Reagan lost Presidential primary run in 1976
Carter lost to Reagan in 1980
Ford lost to Carter in 1976
Nixon lost to Kennedy in 1960
I assume Eisenhower never ran for anything before he won the Presidency in 1952, so the answer is Eisenhower?
SP said...
It's remarkable to me that some of the otherwise intelligent Republican pundits, somewhow nelieve she'll come out a credible candidate in the future.
Reason Why?
At least 50% of the voters would run to the polls to vote against her no matter who she runs against and regardless of how popular she might be with the rest. She's exactly 1,000,000 X more polarizing than the Clintons. I would vote for a yellow dog over her.
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Eisenhower lost Middle School Class presidential race to Mary Fufenmeister.
Some of you guys seem confused as to where RCP gets their average. The home page is NOT what they are using to get the average. Below is the link which shows the greyed in ones that are used for the average. For state RCP averages you have to click on the state and then look at the greyed areas for those too.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
Eric, I think that you're way more optimistic than I am. She can re-tool herself in the next 4 (or 8) years, and make a go of it. There will be a segment of the population that will never be able to forget her Katie Couric interviews, but those folks are likely voting the Democratic ticket anyway.
Someone earlier mentioned if Biden were to win and the seat being vacated, who will appoint the new Senator.
I think Minner will be on her last day in office on inauguration day. So I believe it will be her. Regardless, that is a safe Democratic Governor's seat. The real action in that race was the Democratic Gubernatorial Primary where Markell (D) barely beat the incumbent Democratic Lieutenant Gov. Markell ran on "change for Delaware" too. Pretty fun.
Real Clear Prejudice
@jm
electionprojection has a landslide on its daily update it is:
Solid Dem: CA,CT,DC,DE,HI,IL,MD,MA,MI,NJ,NY,RI,VT,WA
Strong Dem:
WI,IA,ME,MN,OR,PA
Moderate Dem:
CO,NM,NH,OH,VA
Weak Dem:
FL,IN,MO,NV,NC
kellysirkus said...
any chance of a Goldwater Bounce in AZ.?
Don't think so, Goldwater jr. (the son) already replied to the niece/granddaughter/whatever refuting her endorsement in the name of the Goldwater family
Some pseudo-random observations:
Goldwater effect? Is that where we generate electricity from Barry Goldwater's rapid spinning in his grave over the crap the GOP is now pulling?
By the time the investigative reporters get done with Palin:
1. The wing-nuts will hate the memia (except Fox) even more. And you thought that was impossible.
2. She'll get nailed on her income tax returns, (I wonder if she'll get the extra penalty for substnatial underreporting of income.)
3. The legislature will appoint an independent auditor to look at her reimbursements for per diem when she stays at home and for the state's funding her kids' travel.
4. If she runs for re-election she will get a challenge in her re-election from within the Republican party - she's stepped on too many toes. She may decide not to run, saying that she intends to run for pres and she wouldn't have the time to serve as governor.
Also, what will McCain do after the electorate hands him a platter with his head on it? Does he resign in a fit of pique? If he weren't so "mavericky" - that is, self-indulgent actor upon impulse - he would of course stay since the Dem governor would get to appoint his successor.
Or does he decide to keep attacking Obama intemperately until thge GOP puts a gag on him?
NPR’s Final Survey: Obama moves into commanding lead in battleground states and on all key elements of campaign
Greenberg Quinlan Rosner
National Public Radio
October 24, 2008 from US Politics > NPR Surveys
* Barack Obama enjoys an 11-point lead (52 - 41 percent) across these 15 battleground states. This represents a 15-point swing since 2004 when President Bush carried this states by 4 points.
* The once tough battle between Obama and McCain for independents has broken for Obama as he now holds a 12-point lead among this bloc of voters.
* The McCain campaign made “change” the centerpiece of their message following their convention and though they once narrowed Obama’s lead on “bringing the right kind of change” to just 6 points Obama has now tripled that margin over the last month and edges McCain on the central theme of the election by 18 points.
* The Obama campaign leads the McCain campaign on contacting voters through all forms of communication, including both the traditional and non-traditional modes of communication.
Obama Leads McCain by 11 in Battleground States
Barack Obama is leading John McCain 52 percent to 41 percent with 2 percent for Ralph Nader and 1 percent for Libertarian Bob Barr in a poll of 15 battleground states conducted Oct. 19-21 for National Public Radio. The margin of error is 3.2 points.
Obama leads by 12 points among independents.
"The race has broken open," said Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg who conducted the survey with Republican Glen Bolger. "Some big things have happened that have closed off the campaign that McCain could have run. He's lost independents, now losing them by 12 points. He was the one Republican this year who could have won Independents, and now he's losing them by double digits."
Link
Clarification, please?
The highlighted polls are new ones added since Nate lasted posted about the Senate, four days ago, right? They are ordered by rank, and so an older poll might be listed in white above a less-reliable, new, highlighted poll. In the MN Senate listings, Big Ten is below a much older SUSA poll.
But in his post, Nate says that Franken is ahead in 4 of the 5 most recent polls. I count 6 new polls. So, is that just a typo on Nate's part, or is he dismissing Big Ten because the data is from 10/16? Or has he already reported on this poll, and it shouldn't be yellow at all?
Or am I missing something else entirely?
In Minnesota we end up voting in high numbers for 3rd party candidates. We elected Jesse Ventura, and last gubernatorial election Mike Hatch lost to Tim Pawlenty because the independant guy got 20% of the vote, mostly from the twin cities from democrats who were pissed off at Mike Hatch.
Barkley could easily get 10%-20% of the vote, because there are so many people who are pissed off at both Coleman and Franken, but who always vote.
The Minnesota senate race is still up in the air in many ways. The last debate happens tonight on Public Television. The real unknown is what happens to the Barkley vote. Many people do not like either major party candidate. If Barkley's numbers go up, many people may switch to him, not away from him. Jessie never exceeded 27% in the polls
Politico:
Dems predicting ‘earthquake’ election
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14911.html
As a former West Virginian, two comments: (1) Had Gore's people not decided to pull out early, it's probable--given adequate resources--it would have gone D in 2000 and remained so last time; and (2) for all its natural beauty, it remains one of the most racist, sexist, anti-semitic,and violent places in the nation, so much so that an Obama win there would astound me. Rockefeller shows up way ahead, but where is Robert Byrd again; he failed to endorse/campaign for both Gore and Kerry.
DarĂo said...
McCain met with Pinochet(Dictator from Chile).
Dario, to me that says more about the Reagan administration than McCain. McCain was probably just following orders.
I don't believe Barley can win the Senate race in Minnesota. First of all the Independence Party, which Jesse started, seriously lacks an indentity. I know what Greens and Libertarians generally stand for, but the Indepedence party's message is just we're a third option that lies somewhere in the center.
Second Barley doesn't have the kind of personality that really gauged people like Jesse did in 1998. Barley is running basically how the Independence party runs and almost always loses: Pick me because I'm not part of one of the two major parties.
And third, Jesse isn't really that popular here in Minnesota anymore, and that doesn't help Barley.
I'd put a cap on Barley's potential at 25%, but more likely it'll be 20% or less. Franken I think will win, but I can't give a confidence of more than 60% on that.
'John BARLEYcorn must die"
His name is Farley. If it were Barley he might lock up all the votes of beer drinkers.
Iowa might spread even farther. The Republican challenger accused Tom Harkin, popular incumbent, of giving aid and comfort to Al-Queda. We're generally somewhat conservative, but most of the people here see attacks like that as incredibly distasteful/dishonest.
@badgerhair
Your question is not stupid -- andt he answer you've got so far are not respectful nor thoughtful.
Collins (r) of Maine and Rockefeller (d) of WV are long serving senators of relatively small states. In WV, the people know Rockefeller and feel he keeps their interests at heart -- I'd guess it's the same in Maine. Honestly neither state is particularly ideological, but in the Senate, most of all, familiarity trumps ideology overall.
This is why McCain's jeremaiad against earmarks should be completely ineffective in WV -- after all, we are one of the poorest states, with low life expectancy and lower levels of education -- and yep, we get earmarks. Makes some sense, since our economy is based on resource extraction (mostly coal and timber) and the people who pay taxes on the profits that come from that don't live here -- because why would rich people live here? There are places with better schools, cleaner air, better education, international airports, more of pretty much everything that's good. There are you know perhaps 5 starbucks coffee shops in all of West Virignia. We get earmarks -- big ones -- here, because we need them.
The question of why Obama can't even get a lead -- much less match Sen. Rockefeller or Gov. Manchin's numbers is one that requires someone smarter than me. The common thought on this site and the web in general is that West Virginians are backwoods racist hillbillies. That's, if I must say so, probably bullshit. There's plenty of racists in say, Revere Beach MA, or New Hampshire, or Albany OR, or Henrico County VA (these are places I've lived, and they are blue states this year I hope).
If I had to guess, I'd say that it's more that far too many WV folks became reliant on right wing media over the cultural issues (gun control and the faith based issues of abortion and gay rights). They were "hooked" by the RIght Wing media years ago -- and so they tend to believe it when the media, now including freerepublic and their ilk, say Obama is a Muslim, a socialist, the next Chavez, and that he is going to pay slavery reparitions to African Americans.
Don't get me wrong -- there are racists in WV. But more than that, there are people. People who are being lied to. And they believe because the right media has (oooo this sounds rather grim) pretty much captured their souls.
So, you ask, why do they vote for Dems at the state level? Because the national right wing media doesn't pay attention to the state level. W/O the national "Lie Machine", they make decisions at free adults -- and they make better ones. DEM Senate, DEM Governor, 2 DEM Congress and 1 rather moderate REP Congress (who is known all over the state for her constituent service -- want an email back from a live person w/in 24 hours? -- be a constituent of Rep. Captio).
There that's my "serious answer". And y'all who just think it's cool to dismiss WV folks as racists? What have you done besides talk to reduce the impact of racism and way racism grows again in each new generation? He who is without sin...
What about Oregon? We have a very close race going on here between a moderate Republican incumbent, Gordon Smith, and a progressive Democrat, Jeff Merkley (Speaker of Oregon House). Merkley has been at least 3 points ahead in the last two polls I know of. What are your thoughts on this race?
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