The Democrats appear to have nearly as much momentum in the race for Capitol Hill as they do for the White House, and now have approximately a 3 in 10 chance of winding up with a 60-seat working majority in the Senate.
Noteworthy movement since our previous update includes Minnesota, which our model is finally giving to Al Franken after Rasmussen and Quinnipiac polls put him slightly ahead; North Carolina, where Kay Hagan is hardly out of the woods but now clearly appears to be favored, and Georgia, where one poll now shows a literal tie between Jim Martin and incumbent Saxby Chambliss, and several others have the race within the margin of error. Jeanne Shaheen and Mark Udall also appear to be solidifying their positions in New Hampshire and Colorado, respectively.
Indeed, it is difficult to identify any race in which the Republican candidate currently has the momentum. Alaska is perhaps the only state where the Presidential coattails clearly are liable to help them, but with a verdict still forthcoming in Ted Stevens' corruption trial, they have to dodge a bullet that has the potential to ruin their chances of retaining the seat. Meanwhile, the Republicans are being out-campaigned in North Carolina, suffering under the weight of the economy in states like Georgia and Kentucky, and are having difficulty mounting any offense in states like New Mexico where Barack Obama is strong. Even in Minnesota, where Al Franken's campaign has had many false starts, it's now Norm Coleman who is on the defensive.
The Democrats are now favored to take over eight seats from the Republicans: Virginia, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Colorado, Alaska, North Carolina, Oregon, and Minnesota. If the Democrats win all eight of those races, they will only need one more to achieve 60 seats, and they have good opportunities in Georgia, Mississippi and Kentucky.
The good news for the Republicans is that they have the financial advantage in most of these races, as the Democratic rank-and-file scrambles to put together a budget for candidates like Jim Martin in Georgia. But, all the money in the world won't help you if you don't have an attractive message to sell, and right now the Republicans' pleas for mercy are falling on deaf ears.
10.14.2008
Senate Projections, 10/14
by Nate Silver @ 10:33 AM...see also senate, senate polls
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I think you need to change that to a 61 seat working majority, unless you are not counting Joe Lieberman in that 60.
Another great report, Nate.
For everyone else
Don't feed the trolls - PeteKent, right wing conspiricist, He. And others. You'll know it when you see it.
A filibuster-proof Senate is great news... for JOHN MCCAIN!!!!!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html
McCain should look at this polling data and wave the white flag of surrender!
Yeah NH! Yeah Jeanne Shaheen! Yeah Yeah Yeah!!!
Can you imagine the Dems with 58-60 Senators trying to get legislation through and McCain and Lieberman trolling around the floor like Grandpa and Grandma shaking their fingers
If Jim Martin manages to pull this out, it will indisputably be because of Obama's coattails in the form of African America turnout (not that Martin hasn't run a great campaign). If the DSCC has one place where they should dump money right now, it's Georgia.
-- Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin! --
thanks eric-
that image of gramps on the senate floor is making me feel sickly now!
Battleground O 53-40!!!
I think you need to change that to a 61 seat working majority, unless you are not counting Joe Lieberman in that 60.
I'd enjoy throwing Lieberman under the bus as much as anyone. That said, if the Dems only get to 59 votes + Lieberman, I'm sure he can be brought around to help head off most of the filibusters.
That and it's also possible that Obama will appoint a GOP Senator to his cabinet... one who is conveniently from a state with a Democratic governor.
Of course, your right, the best answer is we need to win another seat.
By the way, there's no question that on topics that a candidate or leader know very little about, they can be persuaded to do dumb things by dumb advisors (see Cheney to Bush)
McCain's IRA withdrawal plan with a 10% tax or lower on all withdrawals through 2010 is an unmitigated disaster if there's no cap! I hope he's kidding. If not, I'll tell my parents' to pull every penny they have out to pay low taxes now and not high taxes in the future. I'll also tell them to tell everyone they know to do that. If I was a finacial advisor with customers with 500K or $1MM or more in their IRAs, I'd tell them to pull every penny out in 2009 and 2010. It's a terrible idea from a guy that understands the economy much less than the 19 and 20 yr old students in business school at my alma mater. Can the Republicans please nominate someone in the future with a brain?!
Too bad there's no hope to unseat Jim DeMint in South Carolina. He's another Strom Thurmond, without the panache. (facetiousness alert.
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Sarah Cruella does it again
JRoyale said...
I think you need to change that to a 61 seat working majority, unless you are not counting Joe Lieberman in that 60.
I'd enjoy throwing Lieberman under the bus as much as anyone. That said, if the Dems only get to 59 votes + Lieberman, I'm sure he can be brought around to help head off most of the filibusters.
I think Jews are some of the best pols we have in the Congress (Emanuel, Boxer, Feinstein, Wasserman-Schultz, Wexler, etc., etc.)
That being said, Lieberman is the proverbial Judas.
It's 60 VOTES that are needed to break a filibuster, not 60 democrats. Obviously it's easier to break a republican filibuster with 60 democrats but it's not necessary. Even if Liberman sticks with the republicans, it's likely that some of the current republicans (think Maine) might join the Dems, depending on the issue.
PPP
North Carolina
Obama-49
McCain-46
The state is showing some tightening as McCain puts in resources in the state. I would guess Virginia may be seeing the same effect as McCain realizes he has to spend money to defend the state.
Given this, the fact that Obama remains leading in these states is big. VA and NC will be turnout wars, and given how the primaries went I think Obama has the advantage in both states.
Missouri comes out today as well from PPP - developing...
I don't think the Democrats can reach 60 seats. All the races would have to go their way and it's not likely to happen because the race is bound to tighten when we come nearer the election day. Still, Dems should have a significant advantage so these are exciting times for them for sure.
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Lieberman is in a pickle. He doesn`t want to be part of the minority but he has been running around bad mouthing the guy that will be our new president.
I think Obama needs to get Joe to come out and endorse him and pledge to support him and if not he should be banished from the caucus.
If the dems get a big enough majority a couple of the few moderate republicans left may jump ship.
Also what is the deal with the battleground poll? In 2004 they were pretty accurate their final poll was Bush 50 Kerry 46. Kind of undercounted kerry but were pretty close with the final Bush number.
You think Obama up by 3 point in North Carolina (!) reflects tightening. A month ago NC was a pipe dream. The fact that it's in play is evidence of an Obama landslide potential.
Christopher said...
You think Obama up by 3 point in North Carolina (!) reflects tightening. A month ago NC was a pipe dream. The fact that it's in play is evidence of an Obama landslide potential.
Same pollster had OBama up 6 last week in NC. That's the tightening. Yesterday a poll had them tied in NC. What's particularly good for the Obama camp is the Missouri numbers. Have you seen them lately. McCain has been up in Mizoou the whole cycle, now all of the sudden OBama is up there in every poll that comes out.
SUSA (Ohio):
Obama - 50
McCain - 45
Link
SUSA (PA)
Obama - 55
McCain - 40
Link
Christopher
I think Obama is going to win huge, but that's no reason to deny that a state like North Carolina will likely be very close and hotly contested going down the road; no reason not to expect tightening there, especially since McCain is putting in money and visits for the first time (Obama has been all over the state).
anyone else getting IE security messages on 538?
60 votes, not 60 Democrats. Lieberman will vote with the Democrats on many issues, as will the Maine Senators, as will Voinovich and Specter, who are both up for reelection. All of the people I just mentioned are (or claim to be) pro-choice. Really, 58 seats might be good enough.
That said: go give some cash to Jim Martin, people.
Republicans are jumping ship all over the place. As of yesterday, for the first time, large numbers are saying Obama is going to win and not trying to spin or capaign anymore. They're either giving up, not wanting to be tied to a loser, or playing jedi mind tricks. I don't think it's a tactic or strategy. Anyone notice what I'm talking about?
Give to Jim Martin, and send checks for Al Franken.
If we are at 58, please throw Lieberman under the bus.
Go, Al, go!
I think that one other thing to consider is GOP morale. If Obama continues to pull away over the next 3 weeks, then you can probably expect that some of the GOP base will simply not turn out. That could conceivably help the Dems turn close races (I am thinking GA and NC and MN - my home state - I would give my right arm to see Coleman concede - that damn weasel! )
eric-
Repubs are used to winning, and they really believed Rive when he said they would win for a lifetime. This is a paradigm shift for them, and they are not intellectuals so things that don't fit the repub narrow world view reall up set them. So, what do they do?
They go away and hide and act like it is not happeneing. Turnout will be low for repubs if we can keep these numbers, but keeping these numbers won't be easy. Obama seems to be reaching his ceiling.
Yeah, I'm getting the IE messages too today, but have never gotten them before. What's up?
Yes, lots of security messsges.
I was wondering about Lieberman's future (assuming that Obama is elected.) If he jumps/is pushed from the Democratic party, how will it effect his eventual re-election bid? Will he even seek re-election? Will anyone other than Joe care by that point? 60 is a long shot but it would be a wonderful tool.
You can currently bet even money on Intrade that McCain will win any one of:
Florida 33
Colorado 20
Michigan 8.5
Minnesota 15
Ohio 29
$105.5 to win $100 on any one of the above states, with th added bonus that if you win one, you're likely to win more than one.
Missouri 44
Nevada 33.9
New Hampshire 25.7
Pennsylvania 12.9
I think Obama needs to get Joe to come out and endorse him and pledge to support him and if not he should be banished from the caucus.
That would be nice, but it isn't going to happen. Joe signed up with Team McCain, mostly because I really think he and McCain are friends and because there was a chance to become VP again.
Then he had to go and give that speech at the convention, so he bought the ticket and is now "enjoying" the ride.
In Jan, he might be useful for the Dems to break a filibuster, but as was pointed out uppage, he's not the only way to get to 60 votes. So we'll see how he plays his hand. It's the only way he keeps his chairmanship.
this is great news... !AGAINST! john mccain!
(sorry, i just had to say that.)
Early voting in Illinois started yesterday, so I voted this morning. Obviously, Illinois is the safest stae for Obama, so my vote doesn't matter that much here. But voting early frees me up to volunteer in Indiana on election day--and flip that sucker BLUE!
Replacements as the antichrist for Rove are Blackwell and Lieberman
Okay, okay, I'm being harsh on Lieberman. The truth with the guy is his #1 issue is Israel and he's of the firm belief that the hawkier the better. It supercedes everything to him, everything. That's ok.
We also have to be concerned about turncoats: remember the senator (Colorado, I think) who switched parties immediately following his reelection as a Democrat? (No, I don't know why politicians can't be charged with fraud, do you?) Though it's more likely that things would go the other way this time, the zeitgeist being what it is.... Obama's gotten endorsements from enough high-level Republicans that some aisle-crossing might be plausible.
Lieberman, left to his own devices, is likely to support Democrats on most non-National Security policy.
Lieberman was defending Coleman yesterday. Joe is burning all of his bridges.
We don't need 60 senators to be successful, we need good ideas. Nothing that is worth having comes easy. Let's leave our leaders with a little work to do and prove that they can govern in this unstable economic environment. Obama '08
Joe Lieberman is to modern politics what Ted McGinley is to the modern sitcom - poison.
I will be at the polls in PA acting as a stalking democratic attorney to keep those repub election judges in line.
I've got a good question, especially for you Presidential historians out there. Invariably young Presidents tend to take a while to understand how the wheels on the bus move. They are in over their head to some extent at first. Obama initially suggested a compromise to Universal Health care to which Hillary argued you have to start with your ideal and meet in the middle later. You don't give up all of your negotiating leverage in the beginning. Obama suggessted offering up his ideal plan that he thought could get passed from the get go. So, if the Dems have the Congrssiona leadership and numbers to get Universal through, does he try to do it? Huge question with big implications. Not just on that issue, but on everything going forward. How does he use that power? Interesting question. It probably will be dictated in part by the "mandate" he gets. In other words, Obama seems very rational. I think if he wins by 5% popular and an electoral landslide with 60 Senators, he'll feel like the country is telling him to go ahead full throttle with his plans. If he doesn't have quite that much support, he'll likely reel them in some.
I realize it's fun to demonize Joe Lieberman, but he only really sides against Democrats with any consistency on foreign policy. Since his foreign policies have been largely discredited even within the Republican Party, the Democrats will have him when they need him and not when they don't.
Ahistoricality: "We also have to be concerned about turncoats: remember the senator (Colorado, I think) who switched parties immediately following his reelection as a Democrat?"
And Jim Jeffords went from being a Republican to a Democrat. In all fairness, it usually isn't that the person turned, but rather that their party shifted and left them behind. Plus I don't think you have to worry about Democrats turning coat - you are more likely to get Republicans flipping over because that is where the power will lie in the next Congress.
I just wonder whether any pollster has a handle on North Carolina. With the crazy registration numbers and strange party ID -- it seems like a tough one to predict. It seems like a state that might have a low signal to noise ratio. But, the fact that it's near even is just amazing. This state hasn't been close. If it flips democratic, you may see a total reorganization in American politics -- much like 1980.
"Indeed, it is difficult to identify any race in which the Republican candidate currently has the momentum."
Exception: Susan Collins in Maine. She is perceived as the reasonable one. People who cannot stand W. still think SHE is reasonable, even though she only rarely votes against him. Send support to Tom Allen if you can. Thank you.
it seems as if Real Clear is playing fast and loose. They have now excluded PPP as a partisan poll, while retaining Fox News/Rasmussen. And, it seems as if they have different criteria for the boundary between "leaning" and "solid," depending on whether it favors Obama or McCain. For example; Minnesota they have at Obama by 8.7, and call it a leaner. While on the other hand, they have Montana for McCain by 9.2 and call it solid. Now,inform me; has RCP used a breaking point of 9% all along? Bears watching.
Lieberman sided against the Dems in the most public way at the Repub convention. That rift cannot be healed. If he wants to vote with us he can, but I would not let him sit with the caucus and I would strip him of all committtee authority.
eric, he is not going to go for universal health care if by that you mean one-payer for all health care. He likes his plan. Even with a landslide and 60 senators, big changes to health care is going to be hard. There is a tremendous amount of money out there ready to fight change. Not all of those 60 Senators are going to be in favor of one-payer health care.
RCP said it would take no more tracking polls when it excluded R2000, it has now taken on two since (ZogbyLOL and IBD). For those of you who don't read the Investor's Business Daily (IBD) they are as far right as DailyKOS is left and almost like the freerepublic in the politics.
RCP is a complete sick joke, as is Drudge.
Regarding filibusters, it takes 60 votes, not 60 Democrats as others have pointed out. And, depending on the issue, we are likely to get the support of some Pubs. But, it is also likely, depending on the issue, that we'll lose the support of some Dems. That's why this emphasis on 60 as some sort of magic number is totally misplaced. Every extra Democratic Senator helps.
Linus...
True. But, Joe L. is very pro right wing Israel, which may not be in the best interest of a balanced U.S. policy for the middle east.
With the exception of the war, Lieberman is still left of center. He'll fill out 60 votes for a lot of issues, but he won't make it the automatic breaker that would allow the Dems to use it as a political stick.
eric, I think it would be a terrible mistake for Obama to seek a vastly different health care plan than the one he has campaigned on. He would immediately lose huge credibility.
I don't know if anyone else has thought of this, but it seems to me that 'inkxblot' is using Babelfish to translate his posts into english.
Before I learned Portuguese, I occasionally used Babelfish to write e-mails to my wife's family, and that is what it looked like.
Either that, or 'inxblot' is not human.
The only issue I care about when it comes to the 60 vote majority is judges, and Lieberman will likely be on the correct side of those fights
Don't forget that the democrats probably get to 60 if they get to 59 and Obama wins. He can appoint either Maine senator to his cabinet (they're both smart, centrist Republicans) and the Maine governor will appoint a Democrat to replace her. It's very unlikely that either Snowe or Collins would decline the cabinet post, and it's equally unlikely that Obama hasn't figured all of this out. :)
People should remember that senators vote for issues, not presidents. Lieberman caucuses with the Democrats because he actually votes with them the most.
The reason I was happy to see him lose his primary election was because he is such a hawk. But I really don't doubt that he would step up and vote to end a filibuster with the rest of the Democrats most of the time.
There are plenty of senate Democrats from more conservative states who might be loyal to the party, but who we should probably worry about more. Like whenever I hear how my senator Claire McCaskill (cochairperson of the Obama campaign) votes I wretch a little. Against fuel economy standards, against immigration reform etc etc.
RCP said it would take no more tracking polls when it excluded R2000, it has now taken on two since (ZogbyLOL and IBD). For those of you who don't read the Investor's Business Daily (IBD) they are as far right as DailyKOS is left and almost like the freerepublic in the politics.
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In fairness to RCP, they did state they'd make an exception for tracking polls associated with major media and Zogby is associated with Reuters and C-Span, so I think they qualify. IBD, however, . . . .
I want more POLLS!!!!
Selzer where you at girlllll.
The only issue I care about when it comes to the 60 vote majority is judges, and Lieberman will likely be on the correct side of those fights
If Pubs try to filibuster on judges, that would be a whole new level of hypocrisy, even for them.
When it comes to polling at the state or Congressional level, Minnesota is the toughest to poll. I have no doubt because this year is no different. Take the Senate race.
One week, it is Coleman 43, Franken 34, Barkley 14. Two weeks later, it is Franken 43, Coleman 34, Barkley 13.
Now, it is Franken 38, Coleman 36, and Barkley 18.
One thing I can assure you: having polled DFL/IR races at the statehouse level, multiple polls usually tell the truth and the truth lay somewhere in the middle.
I analyzed the multiple polls and the related crosstabs this year. Here is what I found:
-The DFL label on questions of the economy are running 55-36 to their favor. When Barkley is thrown in, the margin increases and support sticks for DFLers: 51-26-13.
-The DFLs and IRs tie at 35-34 for who to trust on foreign policy. But the bleeding thumb FP question of Iraq gives an advantage of 68-18 to whomever has the DFL label.
-Barkley should have been a professional wrestler. Ventura in 1998 was polling at 15 to 18% on October 15. He won the three horse race, albeit barely. What floated Ventura was a 90+ on the question of name recognition. Barkley has name recognition at 35 to 40%.
-True Numbers at This Point: Like I said, Minnesota is tough to register because of their independent streaks in polling. But the Senate race is:
Franken 41
Coleman 37
Barkley 15
D/K 7
With independents breaking 4/2/1 in Franken's favor because of **ta da!** name recognition of 90%+.
VOTM
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Guys, I don't know if this has been posted, but don't miss NYMag's (long) profile on Nate Silver.
http://nymag.com/news/features/51170/index.html
"Selzer where you at girlllll."
Indiana doing a four nighter for publish this weekend.
the RCP and pollster.com maps are insanely blue
I am SO happy
and yes phone banking now!
> We don't need 60 senators to be
> successful, we need good ideas.
> Nothing that is worth having
> comes easy. Let's leave our
> leaders with a little work to do
> and prove that they can govern
> in this unstable economic
> environment.
That's the right attitude! The current political climate is so scorched-earth that good ideas have no soil in which to grow. Thus, the legislative and executive branches have fallen unchecked into pandering and pork-barreling. A healthy give-and-take between divergent points of view is going to be hugely important to economic recovery, foreign policy and trade, immigration policy, developing and deploying our military appropriately, and so forth. I understand the impulse to humiliation, and I agree that the GOP has earned itself a well-deserved thrashing, but it is also true that in the "Art of War", Sun Tzu teaches that allowing an honorable retreat is frequently the very best strategy.
A huge consideration for my vote is whether a candidate is likely to start lowering the rhetorical temperature. Obviously, the GOP ticket has done the opposite and that is a big reason they're losing my vote and those of many other independents. Trust is everything - as we have seen in the financial world, as well. Without trust, no one will take a risk and make the deal. The idea that a filibuster-proof majority is required to govern effectively means that you don't know how to govern. Winning elections is not the same as effective governance, as we have also had conclusively demonstrated.
That said, I must say that this is the most information-rich polling site I've ever encountered, with the numbers and methodology right out there 'in the clear' for all to see. It sets a new standard for reporting. Furthermore, it has been very effective in allowing me to see which out-of-state candidates to support (ROI, I guess) and when. Thank you, Mr Silver!
Now that we are in the end-game, it would be an interesting exercise to calculate what "reverse-trend" would be required for McCain/Palin to recover from the hole in which they find themselves. Based on observed rates-of-change in state polls, how much of a turnaround is really required at this point in the race in the toss-up and leaning states to materially affect the electoral college simulations? This would give Obama supporters an idea of their margin of safety and McCain supporters an idea of how much they have to achieve per day and per week to have a chance.
Thanks selzer. :)
Nate, what's going on with your Indiana "light blue" map color? RCP shows McCain up 3.8...
I'm personally ambivalent on whether Dems should kick Lieberman out of the caucus and strip him of his chairmanship. I don't think he'll do us any favors as chair of Homeland Security and may even undermine Obama any chance he gets. And, of course you don't reward those who campaign against your party leader like he's done against Obama. But, I would like his vote on domestic issues whenever needed, and I think he might be the vindictive sort who would vote against us even if he personally favors the legislation. On the whole, I think it's worth the risk of losing a vote or two to strip him of his chairmanship. But, I'd bet the Senate Dems don't do it.
The only scary thing about an Obama vitory is the possibility of...Senator Rod Blagojevich!
@donelson read the FAQ or http://nymag.com/news/features/51170/index.html
This site isn't a bare recitation of poll numbers. :)
Politico/InsiderAdvantage polled 4 crucial counties W won in 04.
Washoe, NV;
Jefferson, CO;
Wake, NC;
Hillsborough, FL
Obama is overperforming Kerry significantly in all of them and is surprisingly strong with men in Hillsborough County, FL.
No wonder Hildenbrand and Tewes are organizing the field operations there.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14556.html
I can't imagine Palin helping McCain in the southern 2/3 of FL.
FL will fall before OH and perhaps even VA and CO. It will be interesting to watch.
McCain's choice of Palin is backfiring on the east, in FL, NH and VA.
@donelson - it's a reflection of the national tracking polls and trends. the 'polling average' is red (less than RCP b/c of weighting), but when it's adjusted for Obama's recent gains in the national numbers it gets bluer. (if Obama is down by three in IN when he'd down by 2 nationally, it makes sense that he'd be up in IN when he's up by 5 nationally)
check out
http://taxcut.barackobama.com
I think this tool is going to seal the deal for an obama victory.
I'm not one for hyperbole with regard to numbers.
Have you seen the recent polls. They are deplorable for McCain. Across the board, they look atrocious for Mccain. This is unlike any other time in this campaign.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html
Look for any sign of hope within those numbers for McCain. It's virtually impossible to find.
I think Gallup might be at O +12 today and O +13 or 14 tomorrow.
For the polling starved:
Link
This is the senate thread. asking about the presidential map is unlikely to work.
However, the current senate results in AK look like a great opportunity to clarify the differences between "polling average", "regression", "snapshot", and "projection" as applied to the senate races; as it stands, the latest poll shows Stevens up (Decent pollster, small margin, not huge sample), the average shows Begich (taking into account age-of-poll, sizes, pollster leans, etc.), the regression shows Stevens by more than the best poll he's had (demographic data -- unclear whether this includes pres trackers / coattails), and the snapshot (estimation of how it really stands today; distinct from polling average in that it factors in the regression) and prediction (collapse undecideds & leaners; guess about future tightening) are both Begich. Of course, in AK, we know that there is a high-variance datum still out -- Stevens' verdict.
So Nate, do Senate races involve simulations? do those simulations include coat-tails? Why does the senate not get a "trend-adjusted" line?
Thanks for the NYmag link. I did not know Nate grew up in East Lansing Michigan. Michigan State is my favorite team. My dad has had season tickets to spartan basketball for 24 years now. I have been going with him for 15 years now. (I'm 22). This year The Spartans are killing it in football as well.
I am dying for a new poll from Mississippi. Based on the national trend (and Georgia) I would think Musgrove might be ahead and Obama might be close.
hack wilson said...
The only scary thing about an Obama vitory is the possibility of...Senator Rod Blagojevich!
so ?
So just for fun, we're three weeks away - which states do you think will be the closest in the presidential balloting? Meaning, regardless of who wins, where will the margin of victory be the smallest? My rankings:
1. North Carolina
2. Missouri
3. Indiana
I think Missouri goes Obama and Indiana goes McCain; NC I still see as an utter tossup - having lived there for some years I can see it teetering on the brink of going blue but really have trouble seeing it definitively tip. I think it's a coinflip.
I know this is the Senate blog, so I'll mention there are exactly 100 Senators more qualified and better suited to be Vice-President than Sarah Palin. ON that note, it's also worth mentioning that any chance the wannabe comeback kid McCain has of actually make this a race again is thwarted, stifled, CRUSHED by the fact that his runningmate is Sarah Palin. She'sinferior to W or Quayle. Undecideds will not rally to McCain in big numbers no matter what in large part because of Palin. Mark my words. If he had any other VP, he'd have about a 10% chance right now. with her intow, I'd say he has a 1% chance. Palin sucks! I'll explain why for anyone who wants to know, as for how, you'd have to ask the "First Dude".
These bloody republican are shameless,
ACORN's investigation is another republican scam to deprive citizens the right to vote.
republicans don't belong to the USA, more appropriately they, belong to a country like Iran.
Hopefully these mother-fuckers, will be decimated on November the 4th.
Marc said...
So just for fun, we're three weeks away - which states do you think will be the closest in the presidential balloting? Meaning, regardless of who wins, where will the margin of victory be the smallest? My rankings:
1. North Carolina
2. Missouri
3. Indiana
I think Missouri goes Obama and Indiana goes McCain; NC I still see as an utter tossup - having lived there for some years I can see it teetering on the brink of going blue but really have trouble seeing it definitively tip. I think it's a coinflip.
Missouri: Obama +3.6
North Carolina: Obama +2.9
Indiana: McCain +0.2
jdavid61 said..
We don't need 60 senators to be successful, we need good ideas. Nothing that is worth having comes easy. Let's leave our leaders with a little work to do and prove that they can govern in this unstable economic environment. Obama '08
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Amen. Even though the idea of a filla-proof congress is appealing, I could see a blank check legislature screwing it up so bad that backlash kills the dems in 2010/2012. Governing from the center at the national level with solid policy is what this country is/should be all about.
Lauren Bush, Like Jenna, Probably Not Voting for John McCain
Link
Gallup:
Barack Obama enjoys a solid advantage over John McCain -- 53% to 39% -- in U.S. public perceptions of which of the two candidates would better handle the economy as president.
Joe Lieberman is all about WIFM, period. That's why he came out in support of McCain. He thought that if he stood by McCain's side, that he would get the nod for VP. Well, that didn't happen and now Joe is left without a date to the dance.
If the Dems get to 58 or 59 without Joe, I think they should kick him out of the caucus and strip him of his chairmanship. Tell him if he supports the Repub agenda and McCain, then he should caucus with them. The Dems will be able to find a few Repub senators to get them over the 60 vote mark.
Even if the Dems allowed Joe to remain in the caucus, that doesn't guarantee that the won't stab us in the back later on.
I say cut the cancer out once and for all. It may cost us a vote, but we'll be able a much more healthy party nonetheless.
"Lauren Bush, Like Jenna, Probably Not Voting for John McCain"
As go Lauren and Jenna, so goes the nation :0
My wife and I voted today here in CO via mail-in ballot. 2 more Obama/Biden votes in the tank!! :)
ARG National Poll
Obama - 50
McCain - 45
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Obama will lose due to the Bradley Effect.
No, not that one. The BILL BRADLEY Effect
Bill Bradley was a basketball player, and lost in the primary.
Obama is a basketball player. Therefore, he will lose.
Hey, this makes about has much sense as the other arguments.
Obama up 8 in West Virginia, up 5 Nationally. Way to go, ARG!
Yesterday, I suggesed that the RNC dump McCain and concentrate on preventing the impending bloodbath of Pubs in Congress. Looks like they're sorta taking my suggestion.
RNC Eyes $5 Million Bailout for GOP Senators
Nate, what do you think about the polling of the 4 Bush counties, in Colorado, Nevada, North Carolina and Florida?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14556.html
is there another poll of west virginia or just that one showing O up 8?
Anyone know if there are any other polls coming out today?
LA Times/Bloomberg poll teaser:
With precisely three weeks left in the lengthiest presidential campaign in U.S. history, John McCain is making no bones about the hole he finds himself in. A new L.A. Times/Bloomberg poll, due out later today, won't give him cause to doubt his underdog status, but it may illuminate some of the ways he potentially could close the gap against Barack Obama.
We can't reveal the matchup numbers quite yet; for that, check elsewhere on our Web site about 5 p.m. EDT (2 p.m. PDT). Along with the horserace numbers, the survey gauges voter perceptions about the two candidates' stengths and weaknesses.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/new-la-timesblo.html
Linus said
I realize it's fun to demonize Joe Lieberman, but he only really sides against Democrats with any consistency on foreign policy. Since his foreign policies have been largely discredited even within the Republican Party, the Democrats will have him when they need him and not when they don't
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Actually I don't find it fun at all. The guy has stood on the rightside of most issues over the last 30 odd years. BUT Even before the end of the Democratic Primary process this year, he announced his suopport for John McCain. He wasn't just going against the inexperience of Obama, he was goimg against certainly Hillary Clinton, whose husband he was supportive of mostly, through the 90s, John Edawrds, who was on the Democratic Party ticket he supported in 2004, I think Bill Richardson, Joe Biden and Chris Dodd were all still candidates when McCain was endorsed by Lieberman. If Lieberman whats the priveleges of being in the caucus still, then he has to show some loyalty to the caucus and the party, which he has failed to in this years Presidential election.
Gossip Girl Stars in Pro-Obama Ad
In a new ad airing nationally on MTV, Comedy Central and during Gossip Girl, as well as on YouTube, Penn Badgley and Blake Lively star in a new pro-Barack Obama ad made by MoveOn.org
Ad:
Link
LOSE REPUGLICANS! LOSE LOSE LOSE! FOR THE GOOD OF YOUR COUNTRY LOSE!! Fall aponst thy swords oh spawn of the harlot!
Really, speaking as a conservative, I want a huge huge defeat for whatever it is republicanism has become. Then, maybe then, the party will be able to reform and get back to something that really is good for our country. Only total shock therapy will do it. Upon your swords now.
McCain ought to bow out now before the dementia shows up any worse and he can salvage some honor that he used to have. Palin should go a crawlin back to her corrupt fakie hole she came from. Maybe watch after her kids or something, though she's obviously not very good at that either.
The other thing that's bugging me about this election - and it's not necessarily because I plan to vote for McCain - I think the polls are seriously screwy. Dangerously screwy.
If McCain wins, it will be very very ugly. A lot of people have convinced themselves that there is absolutely no possibility of a McCain victory. If the result does not fit their expectations there will be charges of fraud. Regardless of all the obvious ACORN fraud.
The media has helped to whip all this into a frenzy - and no, I don't mean to start a threadjack about biased media - the MSM is in the tank for Obama - this is objective reality and if you don't see it, you don't see it. The MSM is no more neutral than Obama is Muslim or McCain is conservative.
So between the MSM pressing the "Obama can't lose, nothing can happen in the next two weeks to change that" - despite the fact that the Democratic party can blow an election like nobody's business - and wierd, wierd polls - yeah. This could be very ugly.
Jim Martin is within the MOE on Saxby Chambliss in the third straight poll.
I usually can walk away from a tense campaign. But it took me a while to walk away from the Chambliss/Clelland race in 2002.
What Rove and Chambliss did was unforgivable. Outright lies about Clelland and denegrating his service to the country. He even compared Clelland to Bin Laden!!
There is a special place in hell for Saxby Chambliss and Karl Rove. I respectfully ask that everyone support Jim Martin as best they can. We need to purge the Senate of his vile presence.
It was really tough to watch a guy like Clelland get beat by pure scum like Chambliss.
Nate!
Just got my New York Magazine in the mail, opened it up to discover a whole article on you and 538!
Very exciting.
We have finally found out what community organizing means. No wonder he didn't want to explain it. It means that you are part of ACORN to illegally register to vote in an overt fashion to the benefit of the liberal cause.
Btw, I encourage you to run the Gossip Girl to as many times as possible. It will be a complete turn off to anyone over 30 both conservatives and independents. It is both condecending and disrespectful. Run baby Run.
WE CANNOT LET ACORN STEAL THIS ELECTION!!
RWC - do you really think that the state election board is issuing voter registration cards to Mickey Mouse?
Will one of you wingnuts on the right PLEASE explain how illegal voter registrations impact the actual election other than being a clerical pain in the ass?
And if ACORN is such a hard-core radical marxist grassroots organizing group - can you explain this?: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Acorn_pushes_back_hugs_McCain.html
I mean seriously. Does your party have ANYTHING to offer of substance right now? This is getting completely ludicrous.
MARKYMARK
I agree about Joe Lieberman.
But Joe also showed how vindictive he is by turning on Obama & making it personal. Barack had endorsed Joe in the CT primary which he lost to Lamont. Then Obama had to put party first & softly support the nominee in the general.
But Joe stabbed Barack in the back & twisted the knife despite reported promises not to do so due to the endorsement. That was apparently the basis for the showdown they had on the senate floor earlier this year.
Joe is a lying vindictive bastard who deserves to be kicked out of the DEM caucus & lose his chairmenship/senority regardless of whether they get 60 seats or not.
Just let old Joe try to rationalize voting with the GOPers on social issues or judges...
Make open overtures to both of the ME senators instead to cross party lines
RWC-
I wil be at the polls acting as an attorney in PA. ACORN will not steal the election, the problem with stealing the election is the repub election judges.
"Pennsylvania SurveyUSA Obama 55, McCain 40"
"Pennsylvania Morning Call Tracking Obama 51, McCain 38"
Thus begins the official McCain Pennsylvania-Pull out Watch. My prediction is Friday, but I think he'll try to do it surreptitiously. Just pull the ads, no more campaign stops. Would he invite the shame and ridicule of a formal announcement of surrender? Would that be the end of his campaign?
I'm curious what others think.
RWC - do you really think that the state election board is issuing voter registration cards to Mickey Mouse?
[RightWingNutMode] GUBBERMINT ISN"T THE SOLUTION> IT"S THE PROBLEMS!!!!11eleven1!! [/RightWingNutMode]
Not all Senate seats are equal.
Some Republcans are probably decent sorts. But then again there are some complete sh*t heads.
Stevens fits that description to a t.
If you have any spare money send it to Begich.
Regardless of the 60 seat majority, I would love to see McConnell, Chambliss, and Stevens GONE. Obliterated. Dead. And send backstab Lieberman with them please.
Gary said...
Really, speaking as a conservative, I want a huge huge defeat for whatever it is republicanism has become. Then, maybe then, the party will be able to reform and get back to something that really is good for our country. Only total shock therapy will do it. Upon your swords now.
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Dude, if you are serious, you are right. The check that was written with Compassionate Conservatism and bounced at the Neo-Cons Bank has killed the Rep Party. Even McCain - who has not been himself lately ;) - is crumbling under
the fallacy of it. I consider myself independent, who leans dem mostly, but have voted all over the map for pres. This is not the Rep party as it used to be. Even the dems I don't think have had this kind of meltdown even in its weakest years. There needs to be a serious reorganization effort and some strong leadership to overcome the Bush legacy. I'm curious to see what it looks like in 2-4 years and who steps up. If Palin, Guiliani, and others of their ilk are the face of the Reps for the next couple of years then I could see a shutout for quite a few cycles unless the mood of the country changes significantly.
The UNDECIDED voters will break for McCain.
They'll get behind that curtain and think "Guy I know, guy I don't know..hmm...I'll vote for the guy I know!"
Gallup:
51-42
M + 1 from yesterday
Gallup Tracker
O 51 (no change) - M 42 (+1)
Link:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/111151/Gallup-Daily-Race-Steady-Obama-Leading.aspx
RWC:
100% of undecideds can break for McCain and Obama will still win 300 EVs.
Hack Wilson said...
The only scary thing about an Obama vitory is the possibility of...Senator Rod Blagojevich!
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Umm...G-Rod is the Governor here in IL, so yeah, he'll be the one appointing a Democrat to the Senate to replace BHO.
But he won't appoint himself!
GALLUP RV 51-42 O+9
LVI 51-45 O+6
LVII 53-43 O+10
stable
Senator Rod Blagojevich! I don't know if he will be that daft, but I would not put it past him. It would completely end his political career and he risks being indicted while a sitting Seanator, but who knows...
Among likely voters is 53-43.
So with the new methodology the RCP will give 8 points of LV lead to Obama.
10+6/2= 8
DCM
I have already said that I beleive Lieberman should have been kicked out of the caucus the moment he stepped on the stage at the RNC. I can appreciate his friendship with Senator McCain but he just has crossed the floor to support essentially a Reagan Republican. I could live with the betrayal of Obama, betrayal being not unusual in politics, but supporting a Presidetial Platform that is sooooo at odds with the principles of the party is beyond the pail.
"It would completely end his political career and he risks being indicted while a sitting Seanator, but who knows"
As opposed to the vast political opportunities that America's least popular governor has otherwise?
I wonder if Palin could appoint herself to the AK senate seat of Stevens if he manages to get re-elected but goes to prison ?
appear that she could
now THAT would be interesting, but I am hoping for a Begich victory to put a stop to her unbridled ambition...
Gallup is out (trend from yesterday).
RV: 51-42 (O-1)
LV1: 51-45 (O-1)
LV2: 53-43 (Even)
McCain Camp Renews Ayers Assault.
http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/14/mccain-camp-renews-ayers-assault/
McCain's campaign is so schizophrenic. Even as polls show that these attacks are backfiring, it seems to me that McCain just hasn't learned anything yet.
@andrew
I've already noticed that McCain's ads have gotten fewer and farther between in the Philadelphia region at least.
He has the one stupid "ambition" ad that plays a few times per night, but it is dwarfed by the 3 different Obama ads that play a few times per hour.
I think, already, he's just keeping a token presence in the state.
As far as who would replace Obama in the sente, Blagojovich will pick his successor. Illinois Attorney Lisa Madigan would be the best pick, but Blagjovich and her father Illinois General Assembly Speaker Mike Madigan hate each other's guts. Lt. Gov Pat Quinn is very popular and would be a great pick as well.
Ha ha all the craziness of appointing Senators! My guess would be that Rod Blagojevich is not going to appoint himself, Palin would prefer to stay a Governor. But the real intersting thing is which Republicans Obama could appoint to cabinet positions, and the politics of getting them replaced if they are from congress.
The true Gallup LV is 53-43 for Obama.
What´s "traditional" LV?.
Rest assured, whatever goes right or wrong over the next 4-8 years will be laid solely at the feet of Obama and the Democrats. We are watching.
Speak for yourself, but do it quietly. The game is on.
and wierd, wierd polls
I know! I mean, aren't all the polls supposed to show a Republican landslide instead? Everyone loves McCain obviously - that's why they all head to the exits at his rallies once Moose Princess says her last "Also!"
I've heard Rahm Emmanuel is the odds-on favorite to get Obama's seat if he wants it.
Hoping that McCain & Palin come back down to FL soon to do more rallies.
It seems to me that after each recent campaign swing in FL, their #'s drop as people see & hear even more how despicable the GOPer campaign has really gotten - and how they offer nothing good
so let the GOPers come to FL & GA & NC & VA where they will be effectively counter-productive just like they have done in helping turn IA & MN & WI & MO & OH & MI & NH & PA BLUE
or go out west & do the same thing in CO & NM & NV & MT & ND
It appears that the McCain & Palin campaign rallies are now toxic to swing voters & INDs...
It will be extremely unlikely for Stevens to get re-elected AND go to prison. The trial is scheduled to end before the election, but too late to take his name off the ballot. If found not guilty, then no prison of course. If found guilty, I don't see how he can win. I suppose the trial could go unusually long or the jury could be deadlocked until after the election and ultimately have a guilty verdict, but that seems rather unlikely. Regardless, would she even want to be Senator over Governor? She seems to be more the type to enjoy the use (abuse?) of executive authority than to become a policy wonk.
Commenting on this Senate thread reminded me to make yet another contribution to the DSCC. And contributions are still getting doubled!
New Suffolk poll - Colorado
O: 47
M: 43
Closer than some others have had it. Still, it has Obama winning indepdendents by 20%. Would like to see the internals on this one.
Link
MR is right, and I think thats going to be a huge problem for O and the Dems, becuase this slowdown looks fairly long term.
We are going to have to wean ourselves as a nation and a citizenry off of credit and its going to lead to higher interest rates and such.
Its alot like Carter - he inherited alot of problems from the guys before them and he didnt have time to make them any better.
This is really 1976 all over again, but McCain is Ford, the decent, but unfortunate spokesman for a party that was disgraced by someone else.
Obama is the newcomer with little experience who is going to have huge problems foisted on him, that he wont be able to solve.
So who is Reagan? Palin? She does have the Reaganesque quality of not seeming very bright but being able to connect with the common folk, being, like Reagan was, one of them.
Ha! John "I don't telegraph my punches" Mccain is telegraphing his punches again.
This race is looking good...
"What´s "traditional" LV?"
Gallup explains it as using what they call a "traditional likely voter model" which includes past voting history as a factor. Their other LV model - the one that Obama leads 53-43 - only takes into account people's indications of how likely they are to vote.
If you expect significant increases in voter turnout in this election, especially among first-time voters (young, newly registered), then you would be more inclined to trust the latter of Gallup's LV screens (53-43). If you think that new registrations are pumped up by bogus names and expectations regarding youth turnout are unlikely to be met, then you'd be more inclined to trust the "traditional" LV numbers (51-45).
Either way, you'd be inclined to say that Obama has a significant lead right now.
Republicans are jumping ship all over the place. As of yesterday, for the first time, large numbers are saying Obama is going to win and not trying to spin or capaign anymore. They're either giving up, not wanting to be tied to a loser, or playing jedi mind tricks. I don't think it's a tactic or strategy. Anyone notice what I'm talking about?
They're trying to encourage complacency so that enough Obama voters decide they don't need to turn out, and suddenly on November 4, McCain wins a squeaker.
It's the only strategy they have left.
PPP Missouri coming out when ?
But the real intersting thing is which Republicans Obama could appoint to cabinet positions, and the politics of getting them replaced if they are from congress.
I've heard Senator Lugar mentioned for State, but it looks like the Republican will win the governor's race in IN so his replacement would also be an R. Not sure any other R senator would be considered for and open to serving in an Obama administration.
Again repeating myself from earlier posts, but I think Rahm Emanuel has his eye on the Speakers Chair. It would be fairly unprecedented for someone so high up in the House leadership to move to the Senate. I also think Emanuel might be tough enough to make a pretty good Speaker.
Actually Sarah Palin wants to be a Senator.
Palin tried to get Murkowski to appoint her to fill his senate seat back in 2002 - but he gave the position to his daughter instead.
He tried to buy her off with the plum position on the oil commission..
That is the only reason Palin ran for Governor in 2006. Because no senate seat was available... YET
In AK they say she has had her eye on Stevens seat whever & however it becomes available
Palin wants a national stage to push her agenda
fwiw
Never mind the filibuster, if the dems get to 51 with Sanders, Joe gets the boot, exactly what he desires and exactly what politics demands. No chairmanships for chaps that try to bring down your party’s leader. Way too many people have worked too hard and too long and given too much of their money to elect Obama. I have faith Obama and the dem senators understand that slow Joe has to go. Lieberman can pretend he’s a back bencher for his own political reasons if he wants but he cannot have a committee.
The other thing about the filibuster next time around is you’ll have Obama as president ready to sign the bill rather than Bush ready to veto it. Holding up a popular president’s agenda with a filibuster will be much more costly to the pubs then the way they have had it up until now. Backing off from filibusters in the Senate will be the reps first step in their redefinition of themselves as “democrats lite”.
another mike
I think there might be serious pressure for GOP senators from states with Democratic Governors to resist cabinet positions. Lugar might be an interesting choice somewhere, trying to find a moderate enough GOP type might be tough. I wonder if Colin Powell might have his arm twisted to return to state? Is there a moderate enough business type, a la Bob McNamara, to find a seat for?
JFactor posted:
"I don't think the Democrats can reach 60 seats. All the races would have to go their way and it's not likely to happen because the race is bound to tighten when we come nearer the election day."
Doesn't that sound exactly like what people said about the Democrats attaining a majority in the Senate in the last election cycle? Under these dire economic circumstances, I wouldn't be surprised if, far from tightening, the trends continue getting worse and worse for the GOP.
That Suffold CO poll is a little disappointing, especially since they had O+5 in their last poll in August.
Markymark: Powell in the Cabinet? Not on your life! He frittered away his integrity by not resigning in protest after being set up to lie to the UN and help incite the invasion of Iraq.
Those of you who are talking about getting the Republican senators from Maine to become Democrats are whistling Dixie. They will not suddenly change their party membership. They are among the last guard of moderate Republicanism. They'll remain Republicans and be reasonable people for Obama and the Democrats in the Senate to work with.
McCain is down by 8 or more in every Kerry 2004 state and down by 5 or more in 3 Bush states(Fl,VA,CO)..he leads only 1(Indiana) of 8 Bush states he must win.
If the McCain campaign were not completely incompetent they would pull out of PA, which they should have done a week ago. Obama has been ahead double digits in every PA poll since 9/28 rasmussen Obama +8. They pulled out of MI when the MI numbers were actually the same, if not slightly better than the PA numbers at that time.
All the rats are jumping ship, ie Crist(Fl) "will campaign if he has time".
Think about it: ACORN's problem is that it is introducing voter registration fraud into the system. While it is extremely unlikely that any made up identities like Micky Mouse will actually be registered (let alone show up on election day to fraudulently vote), it does muck up the registration system. The goal of the Obama campaign is to register as many voters as possible and that goal is undermined or slowed if the local/state registration boards are busy with fraudulent registrations. Thus, ACORN's voter registration fraud is BAD for Obama, and you Repubs should encourage MORE of it (while at the same time railing against it, of course!)
Markeymark, I agree that there would be pressure for GOP Senators from states that the Democrats would choose the successor to resist resigning and serving in Obama administration. That's one reason Lugar is more likely to be tapped. Also, Obama teamed with Lugar on a nonproliferation bill so they seem to have a good working relationship and Lugar seems to be extremely respected all around. Hagel is also someone Obama seems to have a good relationship with, so he's a possibility for State or Defense as well.
ANOTHER MIKE
Ted Stevens will be 75 in November
so even IF he manages to avoid prison & win re-election, there is probably a 50/50 proposition that he will not live to finish his term - or another scandal could easily arise.
no matter what, there is a better than average chance that his senate seat will become 'available' unless Begich wins
Palin hates the Murkowskis, and in AK there is also talk that is she doesn't get VP or Steven's seat soon enough, Sarah will most likely challenge Lisa Murkowski for that senate seat in 2012 [when Palin would term limit out]
After all, Lisa got Sarah's seat in 2002 which is why Palin ran for governor against her incumbent father, Frank, in 2006 - payback, baby, payback...
one ambitious & vindictive 'baracuda'
What Suffolk poll?
http://www.suffolk.edu/research/18108.html
MICHAEL
not sure if others think that the ME senators would change party ID. I was suggesting that they might be the most open to joining a core DEM group to get 60 votes for cloture to end filibusters
there is no real structural advantage to having 60 senators from the same party - except if they all will vote for cloture [no guarantees on that btw]
all one needs is 50+ for the majority caucus, then build a working coalition of the willing to enforce cloture rules
Kennyb,
If somebody fills out a registration as Daffy Duck you are required by law to submit it, you can't arbitrarily throw it away. Many of the registrations Republicans are making a stinl about were flagged by those that submitted them. Also, if you are registring people and you ask them if they are registered and they say no and you register then that's not their fault. The one guy kept regisrering b/c he was going to events where the ywere giving out free stuff or food at the registration event. The false voter regisrations are much ado about nothing b/c these false people don't show up on election day. Voter suppression which the Republcons are masters at, by caging or purpose misallocation of machines not based on vpter population is real. False registrations is a distraction for the "Republican true believers" to yell about.
link to suffolk
http://suffolk.edu/31363.html
link to suffolk
http://suffolk.edu/31363.html
new thread
Any idea why they don't poll the Texas race more? I know it's another longshot for the Dems, but nobody expected McConnell to be this in danger at this point either. I'd love to see another poll out of Texas just for the hell of it.
RCP is still trying to figure out how to deal with Gallup
today maybe a better idea, they are listing BOTH of the LV results separately rather than a combined averaging
Gallup Tracking (Traditional)* 10/11 - 10/13 2140 LV 51 45 Obama +6
Gallup Tracking (Expanded)* 10/11 - 10/13 2289 LV 53 43 Obama +
I can but that...
BUT they managed to find room in their poll of polls for the new IDB-TIPP tracker while ignoring R2000
and they listed the DCorps results from the 12th - but dropped it down below the older FAUX polls far enough down the list that the #'s drop off from the polls in the 'averaging sample' [shaded in gray]
- the top 12 polls are currently included with DCorps at #13...
hhhmmm
Upcoming LA Times/Bloomberg Poll Good News for Obama
Release @ 5 ET
Ted Stevens turns 85 next month, not 75
test post
Obama ads are all over TV here in Georgia all of a sudden. There's going to be a huge African-American turnout and now many more white voters are going back to their Democratic roots.
And Max Cleland has an excellent TV ad for Jim Martin. Hold on to your hat!
On any conceivable issue where his vote is pivotal, Lieberman either has an ideology or he has a price. If he has an ideology, then he'll vote it - it doesn't matter who he's caucusing with (if any). If he has a price, that price goes up if he's bitter for being kicked out - but it falls drastically if he loses all his power. On balance, he is probably cheaper as a free agent, because even with his chairmanship he's already a bitter lame duck, so his spite-price can't go too much higher, and his power price can certainly drop.
Even if the sky falls and Democrats get only 53 seats, even if he's pivotal for 60, I say kick him out.
Also, it would do wonders for the "moral hazard" of anyone tempted to follow in his footsteps.
mule rider wrote:
Rest assured, whatever goes right or wrong over the next 4-8 years will be laid solely at the feet of Obama and the Democrats. We are watching.
Great, but just remember that criticising the President "during a time of war" is considered by Republicans to be treason, and that Republicans consider the "War On Terror" to be a "real war" that is only over when the President says it is over.
And also, criticising the President "during a time of war" is also "dishonouring the troops" in some kind of way that only Republicans can understand.
Asked by a reporter in Pennsylvania if the charges were true, Palin replied: "No, and if you read the report you will see that there was nothing unlawful or unethical about it. You have to read the report."
But the Anchorage Daily News, one of the papers that knows her best, not only begs to differ with the Republican vice presidential nominee, it emphatically opens up a can of whup you-know-what on her:
Sarah Palin's reaction to the Legislature's Troopergate report is an embarrassment to Alaskans and the nation.
She claims the report "vindicates" her. She said that the investigation found "no unlawful or unethical activity on my part."
Her response is either astoundingly ignorant or downright Orwellian.
Page 8, Finding Number One of the report says: "I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act."
In plain English, she did something "unlawful." She broke the state ethics law.
Perhaps Gov. Palin has been too busy to actually read the Troopergate report. Perhaps she is relying on briefings from McCain campaign spinmeisters.
That's the charitable interpretation.
Because if she had actually read it, she couldn't claim "vindication" with a straight face...
Gov. Palin and her husband were obsessed with Wooten the way Capt. Ahab was obsessed with the Great White Whale. No Wooten, no peace.
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/10/sarah_palin_not_vindicated_ala.html
RCP are lying scumbags
Georgia voter here who voted for Obama and Martin for Senator.
Dare I dream the impossible that Georgia could be blue on Nov. 4?
If somebody had said a few months ago that our biggest worry would be that the R's would figure out they'd lost the Pres race so soon that they could redirect many millions of $ to defend Senate seats in MN, OR, AK, NC, GA, KT, and MS, we wouldn't have been disappointed. But now it's time to respond with $ to those races, which will be crucial to governing./mbw
Wonder if Democrats get the 60 seat majority then Lieberman goes ahead and comes all the way out of the closet and changes to Republican.
Anyone know what happens to the vacant seats left by Obama and Biden (and possibly the philanderer guy down in FLA)?
Nate: could you comment on Charles Franklin's new article on pollster.com on on house effects in tracking polls? I'd be interested in hearing what you think. Also is the supertracker adjusted for house effects? I know the state polls are...
Hardball- Tweety did a coverage on the US Senate Races- He said during tidal waves Good Sensible Republicans like Jim Talent who lost in 2006 or John Sununu or Gordon Smith of 2008 will end up losing.
Santorum-2008
1)Virginia(OPEN- Warner-D vs Gilmore-R)
2)New Mexico(OPEN-Udall-D vs Pearce-R)
DeWine-2008
3)Colorado-(OPEN-Udall-D vs Schaffer-R)
4)New Hampshire-(Shaheen-D vs Sununu-R)
Chaffee-2008
5)Oregon-(Merkley-D vs Smith-R)
Talent-2008
6)North Carolina-(Hagan-D vs Dole-R)
7)Minnesota-(Franken-D vs Coleman-R)
Burns-2008
8)Alaska-(Begich-D vs Stevens-R)
Allen-2008
9)Georgia-(Martin-D vs Chambliss-R)
10)Kentucky-(Lunsford-D vs McConnell-R)
11)Mississippi-(Musgrove-D vs Wicker-R).
Regards from MN! I see Mr. Silver has revised his senatorial projections for the Great State of Minnesota! Good Job! js
I heard over the weekend that the Republican senatorial campaign committee is making buys in Maine to support Susan Collins. Any reason to think that seat is in play? You've consistently shown it as Solid Republican.
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