Today we continue our Road to 270 series with the Lone Star State, Texas.
NOT A STATE TO MESS WITH, Texas has been the Republican answer to California – a huge state with many electoral votes that starts out as the foundation of the red march to 270. Despite gigantic grassroots effort in Texas on behalf of Obama since early 2007, McCain is only likely to lose Texas in a massive wave. Even as the numbers turn heavily in Obama's favor, Texas is still safe McCain territory. Democrats have ambitious plans to return Texas to its near century-long Democratic tradition, but they probably won't begin to be realized for several cycles.
Key Demographics
Note: Factors colored in red can generally be thought to help McCain. Factors in blue can generally be thought to help Obama. Factors in purple have ambiguous effects. Except where otherwise apparent, the numbers next to each variable represent the proportion out of each 100 residents in each state who fall into that category. Fundraising numbers reflect dollars raised in the 2008 campaign cycle per eligible voter in each state. Figures for seniors and youth voters are proportions of all residents aged 18+, rather than all residents of any age. The figure for education reflects the average number of years of completed schooling for all adults aged 25+. The figure for same-sex households reflects the number of same-sex partner households as a proportion of all households in the state. The liberal-conservative index is scaled from 0 (conservative) to 100 (liberal), based on a Likert score of voter self-identification in 2004 exit polls. The turnout rates reflect eligible voters only. Unemployment rates are current as of June 2008.
What McCain Has Going For Him
Like Obama’s advantages in California, John McCain’s Texas advantages comprise a lengthy list. To start, the state ranks 2d most conservative on the Likert scale, and the once century-long Democratic bastion split 44-32 in R-to-D partisan identification in 2004. It’s a low education state, high percentage of white evangelicals, and McCain’s fundraising numbers are nearly as robust here as in California. A higher proportion of male voters also aids the Republican. Within the state, Republicans have benefited from Tom DeLay's redistricting after the 2000 census, even as the Supreme Court overturned the drawn borders of TX-23, ending in Ciro Rodriguez' special election upset win over incumbent Henry Bonilla on December 12, 2006.
What Obama Has Going For Him
Texas has lots of young voters (4th highest percentage), and not many elderly voters (5th lowest percentage), both of which favor Obama. As Texas is a majority-minority state, Obama has some structural help, though Hispanic voters obviously don’t break in the same high percentages that African-American voters do. Texas Hispanic voters are the 3d highest percentage in America. Texas is another state benefiting from the late prima-caucus, as the once awful Democratic Texas voter file has had lots of effort put into its refinement.
What To Watch For
There’s more drama in the Noriega-Cornyn Senate race, though not by much at this point, with Cornyn still polling clearly ahead. Big Bad John looks like he’ll be re-elected. Big Bad John. (What to watch for? That is a must-watch, no matter your political persuasion.) Noriega is a netroots favorite, and he's a credible candidate in the Lone Star State. If you're looking for an election-night shocker, this one might be a race to keep an eye on.
The other drama is whether #5 Texas can beat #1 Oklahoma in today's big college football game. OU leads 28-27 late in the third in a nailbiter... which we could watch if we weren't posting this from a neighborhood in Enon, Ohio covering some canvassers.
10.11.2008
Road to 270: Texas
by Sean Quinn @ 2:26 PM...see also road to 270, texas
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hmmm.
It still would be nice...
Sounds like Texas. I'd still like to see more polling of the state though. A range of dynamics in this election make it interesting....
I think that Texas might become a Democratic state quicker than people might expect, perhaps as early as 2012. Sounds crazy, but I would have never believed that Virginia, North Carolina would make that change, even six months ago.
Of course, I think after the 2010 elections, going into 2012, the parties won't stand for what they do now. I think the parties will realign. I am not sure how they will do so, but I think they are going to realign.
Obama ad in a video game:
http://www.nytimes.com/external/gigaom/2008/10/10/10gigaom-obama-campaigning-on-
xbox-36-24441.html
Obama will make an appearance in TX before Nov 4th to further establish his 50 state bona fides
I hope he does it soon. maybe drop into OK too
plus Obama should make stops in MO & FL of course, but PLEASE make appearances in marginal states like GA, MS, LA, AR, SC, TN, KY & WV - plus fly up to AK at least for a few minutes...
take it to them in the red states to build a broader consensus of support, even if Obama will not win them he needs to show them viceraly that they matter to an Obama administration for a working mandate.
make it a real 50 state strategy besides just national ads & a 30 minute prime time 'fireside chat', although those are excellent ideas on their own...
make it close in these red states & build up the DEM state & local base
Go Longhorns!! (30-28 right now)
I thnk there are small signs of a renaissance in the Texas Democratic Party. In some ways its a pity that Kay Bailey Hutchison is going to be such a formidable candidate for Governor. But it could be that her senate seat becomes a potential launching pad for recovery with a moderate Democrat, maybe Chet Edwards? going for it. Maybe Texas is the Democratic Party's route back into the south?
Obama's lead just hit 7.6 at RCP, setting a new record for him
Sean, I'm curious where you get your state "Key Demographics"? One reason I'm asking is that the "per capita" income seems low. And a quick search seems to confirm this. Is this an error?
I've heard Dallas is now Democratic (I grew up in the suburbs there.) If Austin is clearly blue and I'm imagining that urban Houston is too, do the Republicans run up the big numbers in rural areas? It seems like the Dems should be able to do well in the big urban areas?
Someone know more about the TX demographics?
The score is now 30:28 Texas.
I was a delegate to the state Democratic convention. I will tell you that the energy and momentum of the party is strong. We may not turn it Blue this cycle but I think it will happen. The Democrats seemed very unified and interested in moving the party forward.
Speaking as a Texan (Austin, the blue dot in the Red Sea), I can report that progressives are working hard to change the political dynamics here.
I agree that we're unlikely to go for Obama in November, but there is a good chance that the Dems will retake the House in the state legislature, and that the margin of McCain's victory will be significantly smaller than either of Bush's victories here in 2000 and 2004.
I'm not a native Texan, so I don't think I have any particular insights into why the state is so stubbornly Republican, especially given some of the truly great Democrats that have come from this state. I have to think, though, that the current economic crisis will force many Texas Republicans to reconsider their allegiances.
Hi Dana. I too was a delegate at the State convention and I second your point of view.
Sean, I hope you realize this is only entry No. 18 in the Road to 270 series. Were you guys planning to hit all 50 states? Only 24 days left...
Go Sooners!
Texas, Oklahoma...great game..but we can all be Michigan fans...and cheer Lets Go Blue!!!
I think in some ways the demographics of the state, in current terms, do facor Republicans. A certain amount of, oil based often, wealth, and a socially conservative rural population. BUT some of the cities do have a liberal history, (I think I am right in saying that Houston was at least a realtively liberal southern city) and pockets of huge poverty. Put that with a hispanic population and you have some hope for Dems.
Why isn't it like a NY? I mean, CA has 20 more votes...I think NY is also largely Democratic and closer in the electoral college. No one is really like CA in some senses...21 more votes than Texas is probably like two states that you don't have to try to win...right ((538/50) is approx 11). Maybe it's my bias from being from CA :) As for future leaning of TX, I think the new GOP face will rise out of the Republican South with their young politicians. I think there will be a transformation in the characterization and implementation of religion in politics after this year to house a much broader agenda, than just abortion.
When will Texas turn blue? I think 2012 is too soon to hope for but 2016 will be very close one way or the other and 2020 a done deal for the dems. That's if the partys stay the same which they won't; obviously, if the republicans can't win Texas or California, New York, or Illinois they have no chance. The republicass will reform as the democrat lite party, they will no longer be against national health care, for foreign wars, etc., they will just claim to be able to do it better at which the public will have to be reminded about 2000 – 2008.
...return Texas to its near century-long Democratic tradition
This was actually a century long Dixiecrat tradition; not really comparable.
Why does the "Road to 270" series seem to focus on safe states? And are you going to get to each state before Nov. 4?
I do love the series... I hope to see more, and more frequently!
I think Texas will turn blue in 2012 if the republican party stays where it is at right now with the neoconservative crap. If they keep pandering to the religious right, which keeps getting smaller with time, and annoying more people with time, then we're looking at a 2012 election landslide with oklahoma, alabama and utah being the only red states.
Texas' last Democratic Governor was Ann Richards. Not so very long ago. We will be blue again in the near future. And Dallas County turned back very blue in 2006!
As a native Texas I come from a long line of yellow dog Democrats. I remember my great aunt telling me that my great grandparents had just rolled over in their graves because my grandmother voted for "that jack-ass Nixon". :)
Go Horns!
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/10/three_makes_it_a_trend_the_ang.asp
Does this have any truth to it? I heard about an anti-war protestor at McCain's Iowa rally, but I highly doubt boos were met at Obama's rally with his words about McCain. And the article is obviously extremely biased so I just want to know if anyone else has heard about this?
Espeically if the result in November gets ugly, the medium/short term prognosis for the GOP is not great. I think the party is teeterring on the brink of a real fight over the heart of the party, rather like the British conservative party a decade ago. On top of that there is a dearth of talent coming through. Yes there is Jindal, maybe Palin if this year hasn't ruined her, maybe Eric Cantor, and one or two others maybe, but it appears as if the Democratic Party is better stocked for the next decade. My guess is that things will get worse for the GOP before they get better.
"This was actually a century long Dixiecrat tradition; not really comparable."
not an accurate description, either
I grew up in Texas, though I haven't lived there in about ten years. I was struck by a lot of changes the last time I returned. The Latino (mostly though not exclusively Mexican-American) population has skyrocketed, which is why Texas is trending bluer. Most of the major cities/urban counties are now Democratic strongholds, but the suburbs and exurbs are heavily Republican. (That's what happened in the DFW metro area--Dallas County turned blue, but the surrounding counties--Denton, Collin, etc--are redder than ever, and have growing populations). Still, I think the Democrats could flip Texas in another ten years or so, if they lay the groundwork by registering the Hispanic vote and supporting candidates at the local level who could then become credible candidates at the state and national level. Here's where we see the wisdom of the Dean/Obama 50-state strategy. I'm rooting for Noriega, but it may be a cycle too soon.
I live in the suburbs of DFW and was canvased this morning for Obama and the rest of the down ticket!
It was a pleasant surprise!
Let's not forget Tom Delay's efforts to create a "permanent" republican majority by redrawing the district maps in violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
One bit of good news is that there's a new census in 2010, and perhaps, just maybe, we'll have an adminstration and a Congress who are willing to give the people a fair right to vote, rather than drawing the lines so unfairly that there are no competive races that matter.
the public will have to be reminded about 2000 – 2008
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here, hoss. If 2008-2012/2016 turns into an epic failure, that'll be much fresher on the minds of the electorate.
Look, I'm not sticking up for Bush and his Administration, but the day will soon come when he can and will no longer be able to be used as a scapegoat. The Democratic Party of the future will have to have their own ideas of proper governance and will have to be good leaders.
Five, ten, fifteen years from now, anyone (Democratic politician) still saying "Bush lied" or "Bush sucks" to try and gain a political edge will look like a pathetic fool.
This is a wild card you only get to use once or twice for a short time, not ad infinitum.
mule rider,
2 names for you... (for better or worse)
Herbert Hoover and Jimmy carter
Go Blue!
Oh, shit...
Obama at 49.9% in the RCP average! Astounding!
Hook'em!!
markymark,
Point taken. Those two certainly left indelible marks on history with their presidencies.
But their failures from the late 20's and late 70's, respectively, hardly drive the electorate's decision-making process in modern times.
Yes, we can look back at history and certainly see defining moments for better or worse that carry forward for generations. But things change and do so quickly.
An argument could be made that black should be a permanent constituency of the Republican Party because of Lincoln proclaiming an end to slavery in 1863.
Even though that was the case for a while, it's not now as history progressed and we were bogged down with Jim Crow laws until finally the Democrats came out as champions of the Civil Rights era in the 1960's.
History serves as a good guidepost to examine the past by, but it is in no way indicative of how the future should play out.
I think everyone will be surprised how close Texas will be Nov. 4th. More polling needs to be done with a wider pool. Everyone I know is really pulling for Texas to be one of the big upsets on Nov. 4th. I am here, I see it everyday. Obama needs to get down here and make some apprearances to help shore up what I believe to be the great return of Texas as a Democratic state. Redistricting hurt Texas Democrats badly and I think the people of this state realize how important our vote is and will be especially this election year.
I agree Mule Rider, a first for us I think. The emocrats are going to have to govern and get stuff accomplished. It will not be easy as differences in their coalition will start to create cracks.
Austin FTW!!!
"What McCain has going for him? Texas is a low education state."
That say's a lot about McShame's base. It's no wonder why Pubs hate every bill that includes educational funds.
read: blacks
red state dem said...
I grew up in Texas, though I haven't lived there in about ten years. I was struck by a lot of changes the last time I returned. The Latino (mostly though not exclusively Mexican-American) population has skyrocketed, which is why Texas is trending bluer. Most of the major cities/urban counties are now Democratic strongholds, but the suburbs and exurbs are heavily Republican. (That's what happened in the DFW metro area--Dallas County turned blue, but the surrounding counties--Denton, Collin, etc--are redder than ever, and have growing populations). Still, I think the Democrats could flip Texas in another ten years or so, if they lay the groundwork by registering the Hispanic vote and supporting candidates at the local level who could then become credible candidates at the state and national level. Here's where we see the wisdom of the Dean/Obama 50-state strategy. I'm rooting for Noriega, but it may be a cycle too soon.
Texas has a large ILLEGAL immigrant population
pathway to citizenship will be opened to these ILLEGALS after the election
over time many ILLEGALS will become citizens
TX will turn blue
why the caps real joe?
MR,
Lets be clear, I am not saying that anyone necesarily is going to vote one way or the other in this cycle because of Hoover or Carter, though actually in the circumstances of this campaign, both names have been used negatively. American voters have a longer memory than sometimes they are given credit for, and whilst noone can predict the fture politically (its hard enough to predict the next 24 days after all) I think that Bush's political legacy may well be truly awful, the worst of any 2 term President I can think of.
i'm not anti immigrant
LEGAL immigrants are welcomed
I agree, but still don't get the all caps.
If Texas turned blue that would be pretty shocking and yes it would destroy the Republican party, which is why I believe the party would change before the state changed color. In any case, making a prediction of what will happen 4 or 8 years out is impossible. Anything can happen between now and then.
@Real Joe:
"Texas has a large ILLEGAL immigrant population
pathway to citizenship will be opened to these ILLEGALS after the election
over time many ILLEGALS will become citizens
TX will turn blue"
Not so sure, my dear favorite poster. When the Dow goes below 5,000, Mexico is going to receive so many illegal Americans --that in turn will receive an amnesty--, that I would bet that Sonora and Nuevo Leon are going to turn republican
PPP says Obama winning 70+% of Hispanic vote in their Colorado poll, which will be out later this evening.
I'm going to make a prognostication. I might be totally wrong, though. I predict that the Republican party will target and win over large amounts of Hispanics in the coming years.
It won't happen in the next couple of election cycles, but I suspect within a decade Republicans will have overhauled their platform to be much more welcoming of Hispanics and may at that time be back to pulling in as much as 50% of their votes, if not a small majority.
I know that sounds crazy right now, but that's the most likely group for Republicans to target. Look, a very good portion of the Hispanic electorate is at least somewhat socially conservative. Hispanics, by and large, are also not wooed or scared away by wedge issues like entitlment programs like the black community is. Not making a racially charged statement there, but that is true. Democrats, in many cases in good ways, have stuck their necks out for blacks to make sure they are taken care of...sometimes, they've gone a bit too far, though, and they've used entitement programs, or the lack thereof, as a wedge issue to bring them home instead of to the Republican base.
I don't think that'll work over time with Hispanics. If the Republican leadership becomes more welcoming of them into the political scene where they have more chances to be leaders/politicians, it would go a long way towards instilling trust in the Hispanic community.
I may be way off, but I think that's their best bet from a political standpoint.
matt said...
PPP says Obama winning 70+% of Hispanic vote in their Colorado poll, which will be out later this evening.
good thing i jumped the ship
Texas will get 3 electoral votes in the next census (in all likelihood), more than any other state. While I am happy for my state, I am sad that we will remain Republican for the foreseeable future. Texas has the western libertarian vibe to it, as well as the social conservative bent. I agree that the Hispanic vote will be a moderating factor, but the only way I see this state going blue on that account is if someone like Tom Tancredo gets nominated.
Real Joe:
Texas has a very large legal immigrant population. I live in a Dallas suburb, Richardson. Many immigrants here from all over the world. Large numbers from Asia and Middle East as well as Hispanic.
and...
"Hispanics are the only ethnic group now producing more than two children per family, according to a Census Bureau report released Monday. That's the number necessary to replace the mother and father and keep the population stable."
McClatchy
cane said...
Not so sure, my dear favorite poster. When the Dow goes below 5,000, Mexico is going to receive so many illegal Americans --that in turn will receive an amnesty--, that I would bet that Sonora and Nuevo Leon are going to turn republican
hahahaha
lets see how many will move
lol
Without wanting to get into an immigration debate, (personally I think its one of the biggest political distractions of all) the argument over legal and illegal immigration is one that hits the poorest the hardest. Richer migrants have the money, knowledge and opportunity to migrate. The poor, who often become the hardest working, most worthy immigrants, are hugely more likely to be 'illegal' immigrants. I am not saying that breaking the law should be encouraged, but by stressing the lawlessness you don't get anywhere near solving the problems associated with migration.
Y'know, I was deeply surprised when I got to Texas (moved from Virginia) and realized how much *like Virginia* it is. The biggest difference that I've noticed is that Hispanics in Virginia tend more to be non-Mexican (and often illegal), whereas here in Texas they tend to be Mexican or Tejano, and are much more likely to be legal.
Now, I'm in Austin, so it's hard to say for sure. But I'm not convinced that Texas is as red a state as people think. I'd attribute its partisan ID to the lack of effort, not the lack of support.
I do think it will go red in the election, but if the race stays as is right now, it'll be a close one.
markymark,
Agreed. Bush will be remembered, mentioned, and talked about for years to come. I think, though, he's going to go down in history more negatively for the morass in the Middle East and his botched war on terror as opposed to the economic strife, even though that is by and large the biggest issue as his presidency closes out.
Let's look at it this way, all of his credibility was shot by bungling Iraq (and some of the other fronts on terror).
The economy goes in the tank. The president stands up trying to keep this thing between the lines. Do you trust him? Well, not necessarily, because if his war effort was totally botched, how can you trust him to lead us out of bad economic times?
Close your eyes and picture this. September 11th never takes place. We never get involved in Iraq and Afghanistan. We are consumed with peace. But everything else is the exact same. Katrina, housing/credit crisis, and now the unraveling of the rest of the financial house.
How do you view Bush in that scenario? Seems logical to think he might not be nearly as loathed on the economy if those other things hadn't happened.
Just something to ponder.
I think whichever party is credited with solving the immigration problem will get the Hispanic vote - in Texas and elsewhere. That will have a lasting impression for generations. While Hispanics obviously feel that their voice is being heard now by the Democrats, there is no other issue, including the economy that rises to the level of their self-interest.
I'm glad I live in Austin. It is, for all intents and purposes, not part of Texas.
Then again, I'm still actually *in* Texas.
*shiver*
I'm reading reports that the Ohio early voting turnout was lower than expected, despite Obama's best GOTV. Anyone know if this is bad news for Obama on election day?
eve said...
Real Joe:
Texas has a very large legal immigrant population. I live in a Dallas suburb, Richardson. Many immigrants here from all over the world. Large numbers from Asia and Middle East as well as Hispanic.
and...
"Hispanics are the only ethnic group now producing more than two children per family, according to a Census Bureau report released Monday. That's the number necessary to replace the mother and father and keep the population stable."
McClatchy
i have no problem will legal immigrant folks
by 2040 minorities will become majority(national)
it has already happened in TX,CA
MR,
in your scenario I am not sure Bush doesn't go down as a 1 term president who stole his only term, and still has the blood of an invasion of Iraq on his hands. (Neo Cons wanted to go into Iraq even before 9/11)
Here is our biggest problem (if this info from wikipedia is accurate):
Texas is a part of the strong socially conservative Evangelical Protestant, Bible Belt, and has the highest percentage people with an religious affiliation in the nation.[2] Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas is home to three major evangelical seminaries and several of America's largest megachurches, including the Potter's House pastored by T.D Jakes and Prestonwood Baptist pastored by Jack Graham. Houston is home to the largest "church" in the nation, Lakewood Church, pastored by Joel Osteen. Lubbock, Texas has the most churches per capita in the nation.
Should that education bar be red?
LONGHORNS WIN!!!
UT 45
OU 35
@David @2:41,
The way I understand Early Voting in Ohio last week was that it was only available to those who were not registered. Last week you could Register AND Vote. So those who were already registered they could not yet vote.
So it would be a concern if the Dem Registration efforts in Ohio were not on target which wasn't the case.
Here's a right wing National Review article about it. I'm not an expert on Ohio so someone correct me please if this is incorrect.
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2VhZWY0M2ExYzE3Mjc4NjNiZWYyYjVhYjQ4Mzc3ZDE=
Hispanics, by and large, are also not wooed or scared away by wedge issues like entitlment programs like the black community is.
No but they ARE wooed by issues like immigration.
I don't understand how people can still consider Bush to be a Christian:
Bush's policies have been a failure.
You may consider him a Christian, but he has fooled you. Name ONE THING that Jesus would agree with.
More money to wealthy.
Killing in Iraq.
BUSH IS NOT A TRUE CHRISTIAN!
I think we should confront the last remaining supporters of Bush with that simple question:
What has Bush done that Jesus would approve?
Expect Democratic candidates, and especially Hispanic Democratic candidates, to significantly beat expectations.
One of the bizarre quirks of Texas politics is that the most heavily Democratic part of the state (South Texas) is too Democratic for its own good. Here's why:
Parts of South Texas are so heavily Democratic that there are often no Republican candidates for local elections and so the candidate who wins the Democratic primary wins the office. As a result, South Texas has the odd voting pattern that the Democratic primary often has a higher voter turnout than the whole turnout for both parties in the general election.
This will not happen this year. Many South Texas Democrats (including many South Texas Hispanic candidates much beloved by their supporters) have contested general election races so those those Democratic voters from South Texas who typically vote in the primary but skip the general election (because their favorite local candidates are so often unopposed in the general election) will turn out this general election to support:
1. Linda Yanez for Texas Supreme Court
2. Veronica Gonzales for State Representative
3. Juan Garcia for State Representative
4. Abel Herrero for State Representative
5. Rick Notriega for Senate
These are straight party ticket Democrats. When they turn out, they vote for the whole Democratic ticket.
Look, I'm not sticking up for Bush and his Administration, but the day will soon come when he can and will no longer be able to be used as a scapegoat. The Democratic Party of the future will have to have their own ideas of proper governance and will have to be good leaders.
Five, ten, fifteen years from now, anyone (Democratic politician) still saying "Bush lied" or "Bush sucks" to try and gain a political edge will look like a pathetic fool.
Republicans have been running against Jimmy Carter for over 40 years. Just this cycle, McCain tried to make the case that Obama was the new Carter! I do think that this line of attack has finally run out of steam and that Republicans look somewhat pathetic for continuing to make it in 2008.
But, you are WAY off in thinking Bush is not an anchor around the Republican party for the forseeable future--10+ years at a minimum and more likely 20 or so. Bush has done irreparable damage to the R brand and people will not forget anytime soon. And yes, Democratic politicians will be reminding them for years to come because it will be effective. :)
My Uncle, a wealthy businessman who lives in Tom DeLay's home base of sugarland, and who has voted republican all his life, told me that he will vote for Obama this year. The economic crisis has nearly destroyed his contracting business, and he simply said "it's time for a change". If this man votes Obama, then folks, we might have a landslide of LBJ proportions here.
As fun as it is to imagine Texas turning Democratic, one has to also consider the risk of the Democratic party "turning Texan" in order to bring this flip about.
If the price of flipping Texas is truckling to theocratically-inclined half-wits and sucking up to the murderer's rights lobbists at the NRA, then in my opinion those EVs are not worth going for. Let them come to us instead.
As far as McShame is concerned anything that's needed is alowed. If your base isn't inteligent enough to ask the right questions at a town hall? Hire a plant!
James T Harris - Motivational Speaker for Hire Posing as Audience Member at McCain Rally
http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=node/3079
Bush Movie coming out
The film will be released on October 17, 2008
The film's producers are reportedly planning to run TV spots for the film opposite John McCain's ads this fall.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1175491/
official site:
http://www.wthefilm.com
I'm going to make a prognostication. I might be totally wrong, though. I predict that the Republican party will target and win over large amounts of Hispanics in the coming years.
I think this would be the smart thing to do. But, it is going to be incredibly difficult for them because such a large part of the party is strongly anti-immigrant. Demographics are against the Republican party. Sooner or later they will have to remake themselves or else be a permanent minority. I think a reconstruction will occur, but they'll probably need to lose a couple of elections and have an intraparty bloodbath before it happens. I predict things will get worse for the party before it will get better.
If O loses Texas in the single digits (9-11 points MAXIMUM) He will win the state in 4 years, I put money on that one.
> BUSH IS NOT A TRUE CHRISTIAN!
What about Palin? These people have become the mythical Pharisees that they deplore in Sunday school.
In fact, Obama is much more of a Christian ideal -- teacher, community organizer etc.
But, I think I've had my fill of religion and government. Like our founders warned -- religion in government does harm to both.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4US7L6ypRk4&feature=related
HOOK 'EM HORNS!!!
Mule Rider,
When I close my eyes and imagine that 9/11 never happened... I still imagine Bush taking us into Iraq.
W. wanted to get Saddam long before he wanted to get bin Laden...
On an unrelated and more general note: while the Hispanic population in Texas might be more homogenous, it's disingenuous to talk about Hispanics as a monolithic voting bloc. Political attitudes amongst first-generation versus second-generation Hispanics are very different, and of course, country of origin also impacts voting patterns -- Cubans, to cite the obvious example (obvious both because it's so distinctive, and because it's handy within my own background), vote very differently than other Hispanics (although there again, second-generation Cubans such as myself are significantly more likely to vote Democrat than our parents/grandparents).
For most of the second-generation Hispanics I know (which is a good number, but of course, by no means is it fully representative of the entire demographic), Democratic party identification has less to do with immigration policy and more to do with distancing oneself from the xenophobia and racism of the right-wing base -- you know, the kinds of people making themselves known at all the McCain/Palin rallies lately.
Oh, and zenu, it doesn't matter if that article to which you linked is true or not -- holding up anti-war posters, and even calling somebody a liar, is a far cry from shouting "Kill him!" That the article even attempts to equate the two is mind-boggling relativism (wait, isn't that what the right always likes to accuse other people of?).
I forgot to add:
I'm concerned about the Alaskan polls. Mainly: What can they be thinking? The Palin model doesn't work elsewhere: Large parts of the country actually earn money by say inventing things rather than happen to sit on top of valuable liquids. Large parts of the country (CA) actually pay a lot more federal taxes than they take in and haven't (yet) started some huffy secessionist movement. Without the heavy economic and military subsidies, Alaska would largely depopulate except directly around the extraction industries that are increasingly automated anyhow.
I've heard Dallas is now Democratic (I grew up in the suburbs there.) If Austin is clearly blue and I'm imagining that urban Houston is too, do the Republicans run up the big numbers in rural areas?
Dallas just turned blue and is not nearly as Dem as big cities elsewhere. Harris County (Houston) still generally elects Republicans to office. Austin (liberal college town), South Texas and San Antonio (Hispanic majority) and east Texas oil towns (labor) are Democratic strongholds. Republicans win rural areas. But, they really run up the numbers in all the suburbs around DFW and Houston.
The key to Texas ever turning blue will be Hispanics. They are not registered as much as their numbers. And, even registered Hispanic voters do not vote nearly as often as other voters. As that changes and their numbers increase, Texas will turn blue unless the Republican party somehow rehabilitates its image among minorities.
Mule Rider:
Excellent comments, althugh I don't agree with many of them. Political albatrosses like Bush tend of hang around the necks of the losers for a least a generation, fading slightly as time goes on, but leaving a long term footprint.
For a generation after the Civil War the Republicans destroyed the Democrats outsdie the South by "waving the bloody flag." Even after that was in the consciousness of most voters, it still helped shape the political alignment for a century.
Hoover, a far better man and president than either Harding or Coolidge, became the symbol that kept the Republican party a minority for 50 years, and still helps shape American politics today. FDR was the flip side of that same coin, for his impact lasts through today, even though few remember him.
Despite the crushing defeat the movement conservatives and the religious right will suffer this year, their overall impact will have shaped this country for another generation, unless major events intervene.
BTW, any other Fort Worth or Tarrant County residents visit 538?
I've spent more time on state rep Dan Barrett's campaign than Obama's. We really need to get a majority in the state House so that we can get fair redistricting in 2012.
As a result, South Texas has the odd voting pattern that the Democratic primary often has a higher voter turnout than the whole turnout for both parties in the general election.
This illustrates one possibility for Texas doing much better for Obama than might be expected. That requires all Democrates to vote and Republican to not vote.
Democrates here tend not to vote feeling that their vote does no good because of the Electoral College.
Some Republicans might not be willing to vote for Obama so will avoid the polls because of disgust with McCain and rationalize that the Electoral College will cover them not voting.
The real key is getting out the Democratic vote. Even if it doesn't win the state for Obama, a resurgance might bolster other Democrates, both candidates and base.
I leave in Collin County a Republican suburb north of Dallas. The environment here appears different than 2004. I have yet to see any McCain yard signs posted in my neighborhood or surrounding areas. As far as bumper stickers, I see just as many Obama as I do McCain. Earlier this year, I was amazed to see so many people come out to vote democrat during the primary election. I am not sure if this is an indication of future things to come but I would not be surprised if on the night of the election, Texas turns blue.
One last comment I would like to make, I am rather offended by the blanket statement made about Blacks in an earlier post by Mule Rider. “Hispanics, by and large, are also not wooed or scared away by wedge issues like entitlment programs like the black community is”. Could you please elaborate and tell me what entitlement programs are you referring to? To my knowledge, the largest recipients of entitlement programs are corporations. Who are leaders of these corporations? Have it ever occurred to you the reason why a large portion of Blacks continue to vote Democrat and support the Democratic party is because this is the only party that treats us as human beings. Please do yourself a favor critical think before posting.
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MuleRider has offended almost everyone on this board at on moment or another. He is an evangelical, God has given himthe right to judge everyone in the world. Isn't that Christian values? Hate first, ask questions later?
Sean, has Noriega been selling you some cheap crack? He’s NOT that credible; he’s a bland and relatively uninspiring speaker/campaigner, he ran too hard too long on his “I’m a war veteran” shtick, has been an indifferent fundraiser (Mikal Watts and his private war chest would have been a MUCH better choice.) And, it ‘s not just Noriega; can the Texas Dems as a party not raise money?
Hell, he just barely avoided a primary runoff against a teacher (halfway legitimate opponent), a security guard and the “other” Gene Kelly.
As for “winners,” by her not acting too bat crazy, I said Libertarian Yvonne Schick won the first Senate debate. Maybe Noriega would be more likely to win if liberal 527s would back-door Schick some money, especially (and, I’m not joking) if she could get a Kinky Friedman endorsement.
Note – I’m a Texas newspaper editor.
Hook em Horns! O-Who?
I'm an Obamite and a Texas Ex. Is that a contradiction? I hope not.
Hey Sean,
Is there any concern (regarding Obama's ground game) with the fact that so few voters registered and voted in that one week window in Ohio where people could register and vote at the same time?
Thanks for your great posts.
The State of Texas is a ripe opportunity for Democrats to crack wide-open the Republican stranglehold on 'Middle-America,' the South, and West - and to dramatically redefine the electoral map.
As a Texan who hopes to figure in this seemingly dramatic transformation, let me say it is well within reach.
However, very little is being done to take advantage of the opportunities presented in this election cycle!
Consider that for all the excitement in the state, including the 'on paper' possibility of retaking the State House, and the emergence of strong personalities, such as U.S. Rep. Chet Edwards, and of course, sweeping enthusiasm for Sen. Obama - the Democratic Party for the entire State of Texas sought to raise a mere pittance, only $10,000 to support statewide candidates.
And what about the 500,000 to 1,000,000 life-long Democratic voters in South Texas and the Rio Grande Valley? They are largely uninvolved in state and national elections (with the odd exception of this year, due largely to Sen. Hillary Clinton), and candidates seem perfectly fine with that.
(Note: My hometown is in rural South Texas)
Perhaps it's because candidates who come down here looking for support are quickly surrounded by self-interested local politicos.
But, particularly in this election, individuals and families have shown a willingness to invest in a type of campaign unlike anything they're used to seeing locally.
So if South Texas Democrats reach out to connect with statewide and national candidates, who pay attention to their concerns, and give them some time and attention, as well as the traditional base of urban and working-class Democrats, there could be a new coalition that decides the outcome of elections in Texas.
It may be a moderate, more socially-conservative, pro-religion Democrat that takes the helm in Texas, but it'll be blue nonetheless.
If not now - next time.
-Michael Barnes
First, I think a lot of the self-righteousness from folks in Austin who proclaim (erroneously) that they are the only blue dot in a red sea explains in part why Texas remains red as an entirety. There is a divisive attitude in the state that has not helped, particularly in bringing the message to poorer voters about why the Democratic party might benefit them. Because there isn't a strong tradition of unions in Texas and because so many of the rural areas have become suburban so quickly (and thus have lost the connection to the government infrastructure efforts that they needed 40 years ago), the Democratic party has really become viewed as a bastion for distant, wealthy elites and transplants, rather than a party that can effectively deal with poverty and values issues. I strongly this is a Democratic brand and attitude problem, as much as it is a result of the supposedly "ignorant" people in the rural populations. (Don't forget that many of those low education numbers reflect deeply impoverished communities along the border, which have only recently gotten attention from the national party structure.)
As others have mentioned, the intensely damaging redistricting efforts here really sought-and largely succeed--to destroy Democratic momentum in the urban areas and in the valley. This was through no fault at all of the people (and actually in spite of their will).
Third, some of the Latino voters in Texas were won over by Bush's combination of socially conservative policies and relatively conciliatory immigration positions, but as the Republican Party has distanced itself from connecting with Latino voters, I expect these voters' affiliation to remain in flux here for awhile.
Most importantly, the DNC does virtually nothing here, and I speak as a volunteer in my local party office in one of these supposedly "blood red" counties. We have a lot of momentum, but it is all built on volunteer efforts and with very little money. It's hard to connect with a state so large if you rely only on this. This is most damaging, in my opinion, in terms of the Cornyn race, because I think he is somewhat easy pickings, but the DNC has appeared unwilling or unable to help the Noriega campaign much, which has virtually a nonexistent presence in my area, despite significant local interest in him. My guess is that the state is so large geographically that in fact it has no real correlary to other states. It is also a border state--in the East, it is much like the rural South, but as you move West, it has much more in common with the sunbelt states. It is just very, very hard to work this state (as a whole state) in a grassroots kind of way. Politically mobilizing the valley, the urban areas, and the growing suburbs (which maybe in Dallas are getting redder, but I don't think that's true across the state) will take a massive coordination effort and a lot of money. I think the party just feels like Texas is too much of a headache and expense to deal with, when there are smaller flippable states out there (like Virginia, which I think after living in both places is rather unlike Texas in many ways). So we are left basically to work it on our own, and prep the state over the next two or three election cycles in the hopes that the DNC will believe that it is finally worth its resources.
It's a chicken or the egg game, if you ask me.
The cities account for about 30% of the population in Texas.
Dallas-Fort Worth
Houston
San Antonio
Austin
They are light blue about 55-45 Dem.
The suburbs around those cities are light pink and account for about 20% of Texas 55-45 Pub.
Pockets of other areas of Blue like the Valley and a few towns like Laredo, Corpus, El Paso, and East with P.A. Beau, etc. account for 10% and are about 60-40 Dem as they are very minority heavy.
The challenge for the Dems of course is the other 40% of the state, where the population denisty is not all that low. Little towns throughout the state, the lower part of the Bible Belt. Yes, it's Bush country, but it's also Red as Oklahoma or Utah. 65-35 Republican. Perhaps without Bush it's closer to 60-40%.
In order for a Dem to win all of the parts of the state need to be about 5% bluer. At this stage, this can only happen in a landslide. Over time, perhaps we'll beblue again, but for now, it's a stretch.
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