10.25.2008

Road to 270: South Carolina

Today we continue our Road to 270 series with the Palmetto State, South Carolina.

LAND OF COLBERT, South Carolina's eneagled and superstantial gift of eight electoral votes to megaamerican John McCain mark it the land of freem (freedom without the "do"), though the state's secessionist history makes it hardly Lincolnish. More like grippy.

Key Demographics



Note: Factors colored in red can generally be thought to help McCain. Factors in blue can generally be thought to help Obama. Factors in purple have ambiguous effects. Except where otherwise apparent, the numbers next to each variable represent the proportion out of each 100 residents in each state who fall into that category. Fundraising numbers reflect dollars raised in the 2008 campaign cycle per eligible voter in each state. Figures for seniors and youth voters are proportions of all residents aged 18+, rather than all residents of any age. The figure for education reflects the average number of years of completed schooling for all adults aged 25+. The figure for same-sex households reflects the number of same-sex partner households as a proportion of all households in the state. The liberal-conservative index is scaled from 0 (conservative) to 100 (liberal), based on a Likert score of voter self-identification in 2004 exit polls. The turnout rates reflect eligible voters only. Unemployment rates are current as of June 2008.

What McCain Has Going For Him

South Carolina, home to McCain's infamous 2000 campaign momentum stopper, is a safe state for him this time. A huge number of Christian conservatives live here, and not many Catholic voters that tend to favor Democrats. "American" ancestry is big favorite here, and indeed John McCain's clear fundraising edge on Barack Obama is an anomaly. Low education rates and higher gun ownership rates weigh in McCain's favor, as does a better-than-median percentage of military veterans. South Carolina has outperformed the national Republican average by double digits for six consecutive presidential elections, and will do so again when John McCain collects its eight electoral votes.

What Obama Has Going For Him

Barack Obama can count on a very high degree of support from African-American voters, which place it 5th nationally. The state is in the top ten in percentage of female voters, and South Carolina's traditionally awful turnout rates -- worst on the mainland -- could allow for a Democratic surge to pull the race into single digits if one assumes such a surge would come from excited Dems. Unemployment is relatively high in South Carolina, which might push economic concerns a bit higher on the list of deciding factors. Obama dramatically overperformed the polls here in the primary, and if a reverse Bradley effect exists, it might appear in a state like South Carolina.

What To Watch For

South Carolina has one Senate race, Lindsey Graham's safe seat, and safe seats in nearly every House race on both sides. If there were one House race to watch in a wave year, it would be SC-01 along the coast, where incumbent Republican Henry Brown, Jr. faces a challenge from Democrat Linda Ketner. The race is lean Republican, and doesn't appear to be one of the likely wave candidates, but relatively speaking this is South Carolina's closest race.

479 comments

SHERWICK said...

remember a couple of weeks ago that 'leaked' internal Dem poll showing Obama only ahead 2% in PA? That's a major reason why McCain is spending his dwindling $$$ in PA!

Naur said...

Mule Rider: Whites supporting whites aren't racist. Whites supporting whites and whining about blacks supporting blacks ARE racist. Blacks have always been politically liberal. They voted for Kerry in 2004 by a larger margin than they voted for Obama in the Democratic primaries.

Rick said...

SHERWICK said...
"remember a couple of weeks ago that 'leaked' internal Dem poll showing Obama only ahead 2% in PA? That's a major reason why McCain is spending his dwindling $$$ in PA!"

I highly doubt that. I'd say it is more likely a result of them panicing and realizing that they ran out of options. They are in a point where they have to win every single remaining battle state and STILL flip a high value blue target. PA fits the bill as it doesn't have early voting and that makes it the only dwindling hope they have left. Iowa I can't offer a rational reason for.

slicknickshady said...

Sherwick, No Internals were released from PA.

Seretse said...

Me too. I can't figure out how Nate has had Indiana changing colors without polling. The only thing that has come out is the huge early vote counts compared to 2004 but I thought Nate only used polls versus early vote stats for his Model.


If Indiana has been polling consistently 6 to 7 points behind national polls then Nate's Model will adjust the win percentage for the state based on national polling.


McCain has legitimate reasons to be in Iowa. Given his limited resources he needs to attack Obama's Firewall and hope that the traditionally red states stay that way.

kittles93 said...

sherwick,

I don't believe the 'leaked' memo is the reason. I suspect any campaign is highly dubious of another's 'leaked polls.'

He is in Pennsylvania because there is no early voting, and he has absolutely no chance to win without PA now that Colorado is apparently gone.

Naur said...

"“There is no question that this poll continues to tighten and that we've screwed up again,” said Pollster John Zogby. “I am after all a fucking moron and that is how McCain tightened it up the last time. I have said over and over again, when we poll, we screw up."

SHERWICK said...

true kittles

LAT said...

good warning about the national polls tightening I am not sure about the diarist but at least he is making a point to warn against the concern trolling that will ensue

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/26/85451/322/191/642571

newsinOH said...

Although Mc/P will be doing a bunch of rallies in OH this week, their advertising decreased noticeably since last week. While O seems to have upped his buy (which hardly seemed possible given the number of spots there were . . .) Mc ads are very infrequent (there were a TON last week)

The Obama ad about the online tax calculator has gotten some play here, which should help quiet down the damn JTP crap!!!!

fred said...

naur-

LOL!

elliv said...

The problem for McCain is he have already wasted half his budget in PA, so he feels its better keep trying til the bitter end.

Rick said...

Seretse said...
"Me too. I can't figure out how Nate has had Indiana changing colors without polling. The only thing that has come out is the huge early vote counts compared to 2004 but I thought Nate only used polls versus early vote stats for his Model.


If Indiana has been polling consistently 6 to 7 points behind national polls then Nate's Model will adjust the win percentage for the state based on national polling.


McCain has legitimate reasons to be in Iowa. Given his limited resources he needs to attack Obama's Firewall and hope that the traditionally red states stay that way."

I'd argue that the firewall is of minimal importance at this point in time. Particularly with some of the red states poised to flip such as NC and GA. The smart tactic at this point, being low on time and finds is to pick your states in which you are secure. Then pick the closest races you have a shot at taking if you focus on them and do exactly that, focus on them. Build your safety zone and figure out exactly which states you need for 270 and ignore everything else. But then, for this approach to work he needed to have started it a month and a half ago AND he needed to present something resembling a coherant economic plan. At this point his plan is "spending freeze" and "cut earmarks" sprinkled with "tax cuts", but every day he gets asked about a new program and he excludes it from the spending freeze. I'm not sure what's left to freeze given he's excluded NASA, defense, entitlements and a few others I can't think of off the top of my head. Every special interest group that he's trying to court votes from asks him about their item and he promises to exclude it which makes the spending freeze meaningless.

If he'd come up with a reasonable plan that could inspire confidence and had targeted the states that he NEEDS, then he might have had a chance. Neither he nor his advisors ever realized this and the bad news cycles have thus far seemed to have held off the tightening he might have normally counted on.

LAT said...

anyone watching McCain with Brokaw? here in nyc the show is shown really late.

fred said...

Poll tightening can be good for BHO, it will ensure his vote turns out.

Kelly said...

From Yahoo News about the MTP press McCain interview:

WATERLOO, Iowa – Republican presidential nominee John McCain on Sunday dismissed the sour poll numbers that show him trailing in the White House race against Democrat Barack Obama and said his campaign is "doing fine."

Interviewed Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," the Arizona senator said his campaign has pulled closer to Obama's.

"We've closed in the last week," said McCain, who was campaigning later in Iowa. "We'll continue to be very competitive in many of the battleground states."

Recent polls have shown McCain trailing Obama both nationally and in some of the battleground states, including Iowa. A Newsweek poll released Saturday showed Obama with a 13-point lead over McCain nationally.

Questioned about his standing, McCain said the race is close and insisted he will emerge victorious on Nov. 4.

"This is going to be a very close race, and I believe I'm going to win it," he said. McCain said he's been heartened by the size of the crowds and the level of enthusiasm at his events.

He also rejected the notion that his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, isn't qualified to be president and is hurting the campaign.

"I don't defend her. I praise her," McCain said. "She is exactly what Washington needs."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081026/ap_on_el_pr/mccain;_ylt=AjuG7S98z7KmWTSb3QfmBTSyFz4D

Aidan MT4 said...

Expect a Rasmussen poll of AZ in the near future, perhaps today. Yesterday I was polled for the first time in my life. I'm a cell-phone-only user.

The automated voice was a businesslike broadcast-middle-American female voice.

The first question was how favorably do you view Pres. Bush, very favorably to very unfavorably.

The second question was the same but for Gov. Janet Napolitano.

Then they asked questions about your likelihood of voting: do you vote in elections? how likely are you to vote?

At that point they asked the general election question: are you voting for McCain or Obama? (McCain was always mentioned first, if I remember correctly.) Then the favorability question about McCain and Obama.

The "What issue is most important to you" question came next, and was interesting. They divided it into four categories, foreign, economic, domestic, and social, giving examples of each (Iraq, jobs, health care, gay marriage).
You picked one of the four categories.

Last section was your demographics: sex, race, income, and how you describe your politics (very liberal to very conservative). (For several reasons I hesitated over the last one before pressing "very liberal." Like everyone, I consider myself more nuanced in my positions, and have a natural inclination to fiscal conservatism: I can't stand people/organizations that waste money. Also, knowing Rass's Republican lean, I thought that if I pressed "very liberal" my vote might be weighted slightly lower or even thrown out altogether. But finally, I thought, fuck it, I've always hated the successful demonization of the liberal tag by conservatives, so I'll just proudly assert my liberalism.)

What I especially liked about the poll was that, as soon as you pressed a button for your choice, the poll went on to the next question: no waiting as you heard all the options. In all, I was impressed by the poll's professionalism, including the fact that they forced you to make clearcut answers, and can see why Nate ranks Rass so highly, despite his GOP tilt. People still complain about automated polling, but I can tell you that I personally think this poll felt more objective than a live human would have been.

Seretse said...

newsinoh said...
Although Mc/P will be doing a bunch of rallies in OH this week, their advertising decreased noticeably since last week. While O seems to have upped his buy (which hardly seemed possible given the number of spots there were . . .) Mc ads are very infrequent (there were a TON last week)


Where in Ohio are you?

Rick said...

newsinOH said...
"Although Mc/P will be doing a bunch of rallies in OH this week, their advertising decreased noticeably since last week. While O seems to have upped his buy (which hardly seemed possible given the number of spots there were . . .) Mc ads are very infrequent (there were a TON last week)

The Obama ad about the online tax calculator has gotten some play here, which should help quiet down the damn JTP crap!!!!"

McCain has to decrease his ad buys. Obama has forced him to spend in places he didn't plan for and it isn't like McCain has done anything wisely to this point. Additionally, I think the RNC has all but cut off McCain. They are likely diverting funds to stave off a 60 senate seat disaster and also ticked due to the publicity the 150 grand wardrobe has cost them. We know they've pulled out of some states, I wouldn't be surprised to find they did so more quietly in others.

newsinOH said...

seretse

Cuyahoga County, a suburb of Cleveland. I'm in the southern part of the county that historically leans more R than D, though

Seretse said...

are you sure it was rasmussen?

Rick said...

Also of note, Michelle Obama has been in Ohio this weekend as well. She was in Akron on Friday and is in Canton today.

The Game said...

Morning everyone. Waiting to hear McLame on MTP. The comments he is going to make seem funny though. He is encouraged by his crowds huh? Wonder if someone told him Obama drew 45000 last night while he drew 1000 in NM LOL. Liking the other trackers this morning and another good number from PA. As people have been stating from last night, Zogby is an attention whore and is cooking up something foul.

Kelly said...

I'm in Cincinnati, OH and have seen a dramatic decrease in McCain ads and more Obama ads. I mean, this is Cincinnati...pretty Republican area...and the Obama rally here a little over a week ago drew around 12 to 15 thousand. The McCain/Palin rally here last week drew around 2 to 3 thousand.

kittles93 said...

Real Joe or anyone else with knowledge:

Do the RNC and DNC do their own polling? I ask this because when does the party cut off McCain and focus on the Senate if they think they can't help him anymore.

Or do they rely on the campaign's polling, which would seem rather odd given the bias?

Aidan MT4 said...

seretse,

Yes, it was Rasmussen. It was the first and I think the last thing she said.

Rick said...

Kelly said...
"I'm in Cincinnati, OH and have seen a dramatic decrease in McCain ads and more Obama ads. I mean, this is Cincinnati...pretty Republican area...and the Obama rally here a little over a week ago drew around 12 to 15 thousand. The McCain/Palin rally here last week drew around 2 to 3 thousand."

Obama's rallies inspire you with hope. McCain's inspire folks with hate. It's quite clear why one draws more than the other.

newsinOH said...

Too bad the description of Mc on MTP doesn't mention if he clenched his teeth a lot or lapsed into his creepy nervous smile . . .

PA John said...

"are you sure it was rasmussen?"

I didn't think Ras was using cell phones?

mc9cain said...

aidan mt4,
wow - very interesting - thanks for the detailed information! I've never been polled so I'm always curious about the details. LOL on very liberal...:)

Rick said...

kittles93 said...
"Real Joe or anyone else with knowledge:

Do the RNC and DNC do their own polling? I ask this because when does the party cut off McCain and focus on the Senate if they think they can't help him anymore.

Or do they rely on the campaign's polling, which would seem rather odd given the bias?"

I can only guess, but I'd have to go with them doing their own polling. A, they'd have ties to polling organizations given they have to do this so often and B, as you said you can't trust a campaign to tell you honestly where they stand. If they are way up they might downplay it to get more financing anyways and if they are a lost cose they'll talk themselves as being competative to keep funds flowing. Also, as has been pointed out so many times different organizations skew and interpret differently so if I were running something that big I'd want to get all my details from the same organization just to keep the details in line. Even if it is flawed to some degree it should still give you a relative roadmap just as watching rassmusen from day to day, week to week gives you a general idea as to trends if not a perfect idea of where it stands this minute.

newsinOH said...

kelly,

Those rally results are crazy coming from Cincy. It's as red as KY down there!! Glad to see some blue is peeking through.

slicknickshady said...

Anybody know the polling scedule for the rest of today and tomorrow?

Lynn T. said...

Well, here I am in South Carolina, logging on to donate more money to Obama every time the political climate starts to make me crazy. I left during my working years, although I can't say that Arizona was a massive improvement. (I feel like John McCain is following me. Creepy.)

It's a shame, but somehow SC is left out of a transition that is apparent in all the other surrounding states, where politics are becoming more liberal. Poor education, general poverty, a good bit of unapologetic racism, etc. etc. are all to blame, but why is SC so near the bottom in everything we'd like to be near the top in -- education, health, and other measures of a stable healthy middle class population? The awful state government is certainly part of the problem. The structure was created following Reconstruction to make sure that power is so diffuse that no one can do much of anything. (This was in fear that African Americans might once again win statewide office.) Well, it is still working. No progress anywhere to be seen. The brightest spot on the economic horizon in my family's home county is a giant truck depot to be built by JAFZA, a company owned by the royal family of Dubai. Somehow I doubt that will bring masses of highly educated people to the area to fight the status quo. As James Pettigru said on the eve of the Civil War, "poor South Carolina, to small to be a nation and too large to be an insane asylum."

Kelly said...

Rick,

I complete agree. I think it speaks volumes about the two campaigns if the Democrat can pull a crowd like that in southern Ohio. It's a little difficult being a liberal Democrat in an area like this.

LAT said...

aidan--what is interesting is that they asked the other political questions first instead of heading with the presidential race. Also-the fact that they gave you specific examples of issues--ie naming gay marriage--for those of us who work in social science I think the fact that they chose that specific example is a way of framing the question in a way that is almost push polling. So if they sounded professional in terms of how they conducted the poll it also covered a very heavy framing that makes you see the questions th way they want you to see it. (Also note that you said foreign policy is equal to Iraq)

PA John said...

FWIW... Last night during the Penn St./Ohio State game (out of Scranton) there were 4 Obama ads, and 1 the RNC ad with the empty chair in the oval office. No McCain/Palin ads.

Heather Nordquist said...

@the game

I was one of the 45,000 in Albuquerque last night. We were laughing at the rally disparity. McSame hit a place a couple of miles away and drew a couple thousand. HEHE
NM has never seen a crowd like that. To put that in scale, that is pretty much like having a crowd of 100,000 in St Louis. So cool!!!

LAT said...

sorry that the polling woman said foreign policy is equal to Iraq.

newsinOH said...

One of my favorite past times has been watching the newest campaign spots online then seeing how long it takes for them to air in OH. It's usually less than a day for the O ads.

Since there aren't all that many Mc ads, it's hard to say what the lag time is . . . Currently, there seems to be one RNC one running on the security/experience issue that looks like they took the Jewish Republican Coalition ad and changed the voiceover, and, of course the JTP ad

Aidan MT4 said...

pa john,

I don't know if this makes a difference. My phone was originally land line, but in the last year I switched the number to a cell phone line. I may still be listed in phone books.

elliv said...

This is going to be a very close race, and I believe I'm going to win it," he said. McCain said he's been heartened by the size of the crowds and the level of enthusiasm at his events.
Baghdad Bob, The second coming.

Jesse Radin said...

In reality it'll be a dominant blue.

We're being lied to by McCain.

He hires "operatives" to spam Corsi's lies in blogs.

The average american is sick of this. Exepct a giant anti bradley effect, netting Obama a huge mandate. :-)

Seriously

look up dennnis leary- asshole

they can't tell this is satire, and this is their song.
Or it's not satire

Rick said...

Kelly said...
"Rick,

I complete agree. I think it speaks volumes about the two campaigns if the Democrat can pull a crowd like that in southern Ohio. It's a little difficult being a liberal Democrat in an area like this."

Really it makes perfect sense to me. On the one hand you have a gifted orator speaking of hope and cooperation. While those that have falled to the lies and inuendo about him wouldn't dream of attending one of his rallies, anyone with curiosity might well do so even if they don't agree with his retoric and they could feel safe doing so.

On the other hand you have another campaign that preaches distrust, fear and hatred. The only people likely to attend those are the ones that strongly believe the message and anyone on the outside is likely to keep away.

McCain is certainly not going to draw in anyone even leaning the least bit Obama where Obama might pull in some leaning McCain that figure there is no harm in hearing the other side of the argument, perhaps even just to get a good soundbite to use against Obama.

Shawn said...

Remember those "Wassup?" Budweiser commercials from 2000?

Watch the original

The Same crew is back with an Obama ad in 2008 - very funny (or is it sad)

Wassup 2008

Kid G said...

This has nothing to do with anything, but I had a random thought:

Have you ever noticed the parallel between the Democrats and Republicans and the Transformers? Both Democrat and Autobot have three syllables and end in "T", while Decepticon and Republican have similar phonetic features. Was there any talk of a liberal bias by Mattel?

Zachary said...

I was just driving past the early voter/absentee ballot office in Columbia, SC at 8:40 Friday morning and there was a line around the block! This whole town is wallpapered floor-to-ceiling with Obama stickers.

The polls are only showing people home in the daytime with land lines. Turnout is going to be literal tsunami and is going to BURY McCain.

It's the new American revolution!

The revolution will not be televised!

Aidan MT4 said...

lat,

They mentioned other issues besides the four that I mentioned. Gay marriage was only one of two or three of the domestic examples that they mentioned. It didn't feel unseemly when I heard it; they were just defining the terms of each category.

PA John said...

"pa john,

I don't know if this makes a difference. My phone was originally land line, but in the last year I switched the number to a cell phone line. I may still be listed in phone books."

Well that being said, it could have been Rasmussen or SurveyUSA.

PA John said...

"McCain said he's been heartened by the size of the crowds and the level of enthusiasm at his events."

Did he REALLY say that?

Aidan MT4 said...

pa john,

It was Rasmussen.

newsinOH said...

"McCain said he's been heartened by the size of the crowds and the level of enthusiasm at his events."

Did he REALLY say that?"

I'm sure he did--he also said Palin was the most qualified candidate in recent history. Just more of the upside-down world of John McCain . . .

PeteKent said...

Too many are influenced by the media and Hollywood elites that showcase a one-sided view of the candidates. Steven Colbert, John Stewart, SNL, Olbermann -- these people do not reflect the views of America, but a very limited, fringe demographic, much like yourselves.

If you soak up their nonsense, I can see where you would believe these polls that do not reflect the view of the actual voter who will speak authoritatively only on one day: Election Day.

Aidan MT4 said...

Also, if I remember correctly, Survey USA uses local news anchors as their narrators. This poll was definitely not a news anchor.

The Game said...

McLame sounds terrible on MTP. Brokaw is actually tearing him apart in my opionion and he is really squirming.

SHERWICK said...

petekent, actually, 10 million have already voted.

MysticLaker said...

@the game...

I'm looking forward to it. T minus 13 minutes :)

LAT said...

aidan--thanks for clearing that up but I must say, again, as a social scientist who works with surveys that the fact that they provide you with specific examples says a lot. They are telling you what the issues are and even if you don't think it affects your answer it does. This is why Rass cannot be trusted to do unbiased polls because his questions, giving issues that are important as being economic/social etc, taints the way you answer. From what I have seen other pollsters do not give you these specific examples. Or at least not that I have seen. They just say economic, foreign policy, terrorism

Heather Nordquist said...

"McCain said he's been heartened by the size of the crowds and the level of enthusiasm at his events."

Yeah, tell that to the folks in NM. 45,000 to 2,000. He's really got the enthusiasm and crowds. LMAO

The Game said...

@mystic

Brokaw is using his own words against him about Bush's tax cuts and how he was against them and how when you reach a "comfortable level" you should pay more, it's great!

Badgerhair said...

PA John said...

"McCain said he's been heartened by the size of the crowds and the level of enthusiasm at his events."

Did he REALLY say that?


Well, if he got the crowds and enthusiasm he deserved, he'd be speaking to audiences of three, of whom two would be asleep. Since he's actually drawing tens and some of them stay until the end, he's doing better than he has any right to expect. And that's GREAT NEWS!!!! for JOHN MCCAIN!!!!1!

Real Joe said...



VA: Obama 52, McCain 43 (PPP-10/21-23)

Rick said...

New thread.

The Game said...

Could McCain lose his home state? Looks like word is going to get around now that Obama is closing in AZ

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081026/pl_politico/14942;_ylt=ApNs.sLxPnbVCDfIKegmDbpsnwcF

Real Joe said...



Hillary Clinton making 3 stops in NH on Tuesday

newsinOH said...

One of my favorite jokes from SNL last night:

According to expense reports, Sarah Palin charged the State of Alaska over $21,000 for her children to travel with her on official business. In fairness to Gov. Palin, when she leaves them home alone, they get pregnant.

Aidan MT4 said...

lat--

You could very well be right, but my personal sense is that it was a matter of efficiency related to the push-button nature of the automated call. I don't know if Rasmussen has studied the patience of callers who answer questions and then hang up when they get bored. If one were to list all the main issues and ask people to press button #5 or button #15, the call would take forever.

Real Joe said...



Another Conservative Endorses Obama

Link

One$Earned said...

The link that real joe shared...

The Sarah Palin pick and his
reactions to the financial crisis
is absolutely telling for John McCain
as a leader. Not very good.
Indeed a maverick, but a leader of
men, NO!. He simply doesn't have it. It was probably apparent in
2000 but in 2008 the Republican
party took a second look and
thought maybe there are some
improvements, but surprisingly,
there aren't any.

akoolromeo said...

Really, the only ones who say "You can't believe the polls" are the losers. They were really only wrong once, in 1948, so that is a fairly good track record. Even then, they wetn back & found out that it wasn't really a case of the polls being wrong, they just conducted them wrong, but they have improved the methodology since then.

akoolromeo said...

The guy from Gallup was just on MSNBC talking about the latest poll. The latest poll is 7 points in favor fo Obama, but he revealed the upcoming poll that will get released at 1PM will show a tightening of the race by a point or two, so it will probably state that Obama is up by 5. He was up about 11 this time last week.

slicknickshady said...

He said by a point or two. It's probably the a point. lol.

Guse said...

Sean, I like these state-by-state posts. Really, I do. But can someone please tell me what it means for a state's electoral votes to be either "eneagled" or "superstantial"? Is this another 538 inside joke?

John said...

Greetings from suburban Philadephia !

Back in the spring of '06, the Republicans had controlled both houses of the Pennsylvania legislature for 11 years, and the governorship for 8 of those years.

One might think they had a possible candidate who could say "We point with pride to our accomplishments ...". instead of picking Mr. Swann.

Despite his great personal qualities, his platform basically was "It wasn't my fault, I wasn't there, and half the time I didn't even vote..."

Whatever their chances of succeeding against Rendell's personal popularity, that might have produced a more successful campaign, and been more in keeping with the Republican "party of personal responsibility" philosophy.

and...

GO PHILLIES!

assmole said...

petekent, those guys you name-checked are all controlled by one Sean 'Obamabot' Quinn. Blame him!

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