10.31.2008

Road to 270: Nevada

Today we continue our Road to 270 series with the [Nate] Silver State, Nevada.

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GAMBLY AND WHORISH, Nevada is one of 2008's biggest battlegrounds. Its caucuses were debacles on both the Democratic and Republican side (Democratic attendance overwhelmed a totally unprepared Nevada Democratic Party, and Ron Paul voters forced the Republicans to discard the rules and appoint loyal delegates). As we've been tracking for some time, Washoe County (19% of the state's vote) has flipped blue, with 1,264 more Democratic registrations than Republicans, who held a 17,500 vote advantage in August 2007. Overall, Democrats have moved up to a 111,559 registration edge from the approximately 4,100 edge they held four years ago. Due to the huge change, Republicans are left scrambling to challenge the validity of votes by apparently finding anyone who will agree to sue:
The strong Democratic turnout has Republicans mulling possible legal challenges. “We question whether these are valid registrations,” said Smith, the Washoe County GOP chairwoman.

While talking to Smith, she was interrupted by a cell phone call, which she inadvertently put on the speakerphone. It was the state GOP executive director Zachery Moyle, and the two discussed what could be done about the tsunami of Democratic Party registrations.

“I’m looking for people to sign on to a lawsuit,” Moyle said to Smith, who fumbled with the phone while turning off the speaker. “You didn’t hear that,” she said glancing in my direction.

Key Demographics



Note: Factors colored in red can generally be thought to help McCain. Factors in blue can generally be thought to help Obama. Factors in purple have ambiguous effects. Except where otherwise apparent, the numbers next to each variable represent the proportion out of each 100 residents in each state who fall into that category. Fundraising numbers reflect dollars raised in the 2008 campaign cycle per eligible voter in each state. Figures for seniors and youth voters are proportions of all residents aged 18+, rather than all residents of any age. The figure for education reflects the average number of years of completed schooling for all adults aged 25+. The figure for same-sex households reflects the number of same-sex partner households as a proportion of all households in the state. The liberal-conservative index is scaled from 0 (conservative) to 100 (liberal), based on a Likert score of voter self-identification in 2004 exit polls. The turnout rates reflect eligible voters only. Unemployment rates are current as of June 2008.

What McCain Has Going For Him

Many military veterans, a long time Republican lean to the state's politics, and nearly even fundraising per capita with Barack Obama will help John McCain. Nevada felt to us more organized and energized on the Republican side when we visited, compared with places like New Mexico and Colorado, but again that is relative, since we're not excited about any of the Republican effort on the ground anywhere. But this is a very male-voting state, contains a high number of conservative Mormon voters, the education rate is very low, and voter apathy among youth voters has long been a problem in Nevada. The Republican organization is used to winning elections and knows who its voters are. Republicans will get their voters to the polls, it's up to Democrats to pass them by.

What Obama Has Going For Him

An incredible ground organization that dwarfs the Republican effort, to start with. Those dedicated organizers shifted over 107,000 voter registrations in the Democratic direction. A very large Latino population will help Obama here, as well as a high unemployment rate that tends to favor Democrats. The Starbucks:Walmart ratio is over 8-to-1, and same-sex households rank in the upper third. The Clark County population, continually booming and shifting blue, will be a big help. John Kerry lost Nevada by 21,500 votes four years ago, and 5 times that number of registration shift has happened because Obama organized aggressively here for over a year. The population shades to the younger side, with fewer voters over 65 and an above-the-median number of voters under 30. Not many "American" ancestry respondents either.

What To Watch For

Three big races in Nevada -- the presidential race, which favors Obama, and two House races. Incumbent Jon Porter is in a tossup contest with Dina Titus, who unsuccessfully ran for Governor two years ago. Turnout will be the key, and the incredible Obama operation will help a rising tide lift all boats. Jill Derby (D) and incumbent Dean Heller (R) are in a rematch from two years ago in the 2d House district, which encompasses all of the state minus most of Clark County, and Republicans worry they will lose this seat in a wave. Derby is a good candidate, and has worked the rural parts of her district for years. People know her, and it's not hard to envision some McCain-Derby voters. Heller remains favored, but this is one of those that every last drop of GOTV has to make the Heller folks very nervous.

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186 comments

Ryan said...

My Deep Inside Nevada's Early Vote Numbers series will blow your mind.

Michael said...
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Thomas Paine said...

Iraqi Vet Terrorized @ Long Island Steet Fair: http://www.newsday.com/news/local/nassau/ny-liiraq3112123959oct31,0,618627.story

Guess NY has "small town" values...


and here is the real link to the story:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/29/163053/79/814/646016

phil said...

Nevada, Nevada
The dream of every gal
Nevada, Nevada
It's every boy's pal

Derek said...

So back to the whole PA discussion...

Obama is going to win it. Joe Biden plays really well there and the economy is hurting McCain all over the rust belt. Also, during the primaries, Nutter and Ed Rendell depressed AA turnout in Philly... they won't do that this time. PA is in the bag for Obama

John from Taos said...

GAMBLY AND WHORISH

Oh, like... I dunno, maybe... a certain political campaign? :-)

Ass Hussein Mole said...

What Nate Silver (D) has going for him: a great wingman in Sean Quinn (also D).

Matt said...

PPP Minnesota

O: 57
M: 41

Senate Race

Franken: 45
Coleman: 40
Barkley: 14

00 Assmole said...

matt: without your numbers this site would fall apart and be great news for someone.

HappyIdiot said...

I come here to get a form of intelligent discussion and I'm afraid I'm not get any. But, gotta love ya anyway

Vinny said...

Franken: 45
Coleman: 40
Barkley: 14


So only 1% are undecided? Interesting.

The only thing that gives Coleman hope is Barkley siphoning away votes from Franken. If it wasn't for that, he'd be a done deal by now.

weinerdog said...

Nice seeing Franken up by 5, but I think Norm will pull that one out somehow. As long as Bachmann is sent home permanently. Even her own 'positive' ads are creepy as hell.

Bobbydole said...

MN Rocks!

However, I still think Coleman will win. And Bachmann for that matter...

PeixeGato said...

I love how the Repubs in Nevada feel that their only path to winning that state is by proving that a large portion of the newly registered Dem voters are fraudulent.

I guess they've lost all hope in their candidate's ability to win the state.

Jason said...

Totally unprepared state parties are GREAT NEWS!! FOR JOHN MCCAIN!!!!!!!!!

Bridge said...

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cooleyhighharmony in the house

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paige said...

Re: "It's not hard to imagine McCain/Derby voters" -- during one canvassing trip in Reno, I had a very nice conversation with a fiercely independent, ex-Navy McCain supporter who was also planning to vote for Derby. So there's one for the imagination. (And yes, there certainly were others.)

sfergus483 said...

The details are over at Daily Kos but there is a new Coleman scandal - one donor said he was asked by another one to give $75,000 directoy to Coleman's family.

The man is a sleaze. Minnesota has the hghest ethical standards of any state - he is totally not right for them.

chronosynclastic infundibulum said...

harlettified and betenabled?
wager-skanky?

lord i apoligize for that....

Dannylandulf said...

When does IBD/TIPP poll for tomorrow leak?

liforcerenewal said...

Voted in Cuyahoga County today, we waited for around an hour. There was a ratio of 9women for each man(sounds like a dating service) I, for one, am tired of men waiting for the women to do all the work for them! Anyways, lotsa awesome energy, and got interviewed from channel 3 news, they asked about the gambling casino, I answered that we should be using the lake to get tourists, and not feeding peoples' gambling sicknesses. Now, I will be free to drive folks to the polls on Tuesday, as i've requested the day off. Keep up the fight, it's not over quite yet!!!!!
~Special advocate for the Trees...

Vinny said...

Sadly, Bachmann still will probably win. Pouring money into a pro-republican CD can only do so much, really...

John M. said...

Zogby

Obama 50.1
McCain 43.1

Kola said...

Where is Zogby's leak to Drudge? Could it be a bad omen for Mcbarachuda?

The Game said...

Zogby 10/31: Full 7 pt lead for Obama

O: 50.1
M: 43.1

Race stuck in neutral


UTICA, New York—The race for President appeared to slip into neutral Thursday, as support for Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain moved only slightly in the last 24 hours, the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby daily tracking telephone poll shows.

Part of one day's worth of polling came after Obama's 30-minute televised campaign pitch to voters on Wednesday, but voters didn't seem to react one way or the other. The contest remained static with Obama garnering 50.1% support, compared to McCain's 43.1%.

Undecideds or those who support other candidates increased slightly to 6.8% of the sample.

Even in the demographic subgroups, the race changed almost not at all. Including Election Day, there are five days left in the race.

clubok said...

Franken: 45
Coleman: 40
Barkley: 14


Among those who have already voted, Franken's lead is a bit larger: 47-39-12. Strangely enough, 2% of those who have already voted are still undecided.

In other news, PPP also released WV results:
M: 55
O: 42

But among those who have already voted in WV, the story is a bit different:
M: 49
O: 50

A caveat: only 18% have already voted in WV. In MN, the figure is 9%.

|The_fragile_99| said...

Neutral, what spin Mr Z

But not bad, not bad at all. 4.5 days out one takes that lead!

Thanks good bedtime pressie!

;)

xx

Kola said...

Zogby 10/31: Full 7 pt lead for Obama

O: 50.1
M: 43.1

Another day closer to getting rid of the "right wing nuts" in our lives!!

beamman said...

Zogby!!:

"Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll: Obama 50.1%, McCain 43.1%

Race stuck in neutral


UTICA, New York—The race for President appeared to slip into neutral Thursday, as support for Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain moved only slightly in the last 24 hours, the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby daily tracking telephone poll shows.

Part of one day's worth of polling came after Obama's 30-minute televised campaign pitch to voters on Wednesday, but voters didn't seem to react one way or the other. The contest remained static with Obama garnering 50.1% support, compared to McCain's 43.1%.

Undecideds or those who support other candidates increased slightly to 6.8% of the sample.

Even in the demographic subgroups, the race changed almost not at all. Including Election Day, there are five days left in the race."

DCM in FL said...

Released: October 31, 2008
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll: Obama 50.1%, McCain 43.1%

'Race stuck in neutral'

"The race for President appeared to slip into neutral Thursday, as support for Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain moved only slightly in the last 24 hours, the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby daily tracking telephone poll shows.

Part of one day's worth of polling came after Obama's 30-minute televised campaign pitch to voters on Wednesday, but voters didn't seem to react one way or the other. The contest remained static with Obama garnering 50.1% support, compared to McCain's 43.1%."

FWIW

so these results do not yet reflect any impact from the infomercial or the Bill & Barack unity rally late last night

word - 'wangumpe'

sounds sorta dirty, no ?

Dannylandulf said...

where is the IBD/TIPP poll...I WANT it!

DCM in FL said...

PA Morning Call tracker for 10/31

O53 - M43 = O+10 [M+1]

still looking good for BHO to be confirmed as our next POTUS with less than 5 days / 120 hours remaining until the election is called

SI SE PUEDE

word = 'sureg'

madamerica said...

As far as I know, TIPP comes out at 3pm every day.

sfergus483 said...

Morning Call was 54-41 yesterday for what it's worth.

(dograt)

DCM in FL said...

DANNY

why ?

here is a TIPP for you...

IBD is a joke IMHO

lol

ZOGBY also, but since Drudge is not trumpeting any poll except the latest FAUX #'s then ya gotta 'assume' the internal trends for the other polls are not to his 'taste' or flair for that drama queen

|The_fragile_99| said...

As much as one refreshes 538 for new polls we now do it for funny verifcation words as well!

ach mine is kinda crap though "sauticar"

George In Florida said...

Looks like the anatomy of a toss up state. Glad that Obama is ahead today.

Mylegacy said...

The REAL impact of the latest Zogby poll is that the door has opened and the Fat Lady has entered the building.

She's gor her spear, she's putting on her Brass Chest Armour - but hasn't actually started to sing - yet.

DCM in FL said...

SFERGUS

depends on how you look at it for Morning Call

Their 5 day tracker average yesterday morning was 53-42 as reported by Pollster thru 10/28

Nate reported it tonight as 54-41 thru 10/27

not sure why they are using different dates, but Pollsters was correct from what I can tell

does that mean Nate made a mistake or used day old data ?

beamman said...

" DCM in FL said...
PA Morning Call tracker for 10/31

O53 - M43 = O+10 [M+1]"

Where are you seeing that?... I just checked their website, and it still has the numbers from 10/30.

And if that is accurate, that is a narrowing by 2 for McCain. That's not good! Damn! Now I gotta lose sleep over fucking PA!

beamman said...

dcm: here's the link for Morning Call:

http://www.muhlenberg.edu/studorgs/polling/

DCM in FL said...

and the Morning Call site shows that for this AM the new 5 day tracker is 53-43, +1 for Mac overnight - but still a healthy +10 lead for Obama

@ http://www.mcall.com/news/elections/all-election-president,0,155695.htmlpage

sfergus483 said...

I'm seeing 54-41 at their site still.

They haven't published until morning this week.

(undis!!!)

Matt said...

The Morning Call tracker is 53-43 if you look at the Morning Call website. Still great numbers for Obama. McCain up slightly, but he' not going to end up at 41 in PA, so I won't lose sleep over it.

sfergus483 said...

That link doesn't work

beamman said...

shit: if that Morning Call number is the 5-day number coming out 10/31, and yesterday was 54-41, that is a 3 point movement for McCain! Crap! He must have had a pretty huge night in the Thurs. sample to have moved a 5-day tracker that much!

Smitty said...

Thanks, DCM. Took me a couple of seconds to find it (first time on that site).

WV: druoisit when we played hide and seek yesterday.

Matt said...

PPP Colorado

O: 54
M: 44

Senate Race

Udall 56
Schaffer 41

sfergus483 said...

I've gone all over their site - their main page both with their graph and the one with the details do not yet have anything more recent than the 54-41 one.

Vegas Brad said...

Home means Nevada, home means the hills,
Home means the sage and the pine!
Out in the heart of the silvery west,
Out where the sun always shines!

I think McCain lost my home state when he failed to pick Romney as his running mate. A lot of the Mormons here were thrilled when they thought he was going to be the one, and I bet that Palin was a big let down, in more ways than one.

Matt said...

Some great stuff from PPP's Colorado write-up...

"Barack Obama's already just about won the race for President in Colorado.

65% of the folks we surveyed said they had already voted, and among those respondents Obama is winning 58-41. Folks planning to vote on election day support John McCain 50-47, bringing Obama's overall lead down to ten points.

Let's look at this another way. We interviewed 2,023 people. 1306 had already voted, and 761 of them voted for Obama. That means out of the remaining folks Obama would only need 251 out of their 717 votes, or 35%. Since 47% say they intend to vote for Obama it seems like a safe bet that he'll get there.

Obama continues to dominate with independent voters in the state, leading 60-36. Colorado is yet another state where he is winning modestly more Republicans (13%) than John McCain is Democrats (10%). So much for the Democrats' party unity problem this year."

Seretse said...

Colorado, via PPP

"65% of the folks we surveyed said they had already voted, and among those respondents Obama is winning 58-41. Folks planning to vote on election day support John McCain 50-47, bringing Obama's overall lead down to ten points."

Madness.

somnapathy said...

I've been thinking.... Is Washington DC going to be part of this Road to 270 series? It's not a state, and the rankings listed for each state aren't out of 51, I see. But it does have electoral votes....

Otherwise, it's just the Road to 267.

Smitty said...

Looks like both Udalls (CO and NM) will win. And Obama up 10...I love it.

DCM in FL said...

not to worry about the PA Morning Call tracker

for the past 2 weeks, Obama has been between 52-54% [average 52.5+/-]

Mac has been 39-43% [average 41.0+/-]

so 53-43 is just fine after a short spike up yesterday in the spread

nothing to sweat as the tracker has a small amount of noise IMHO

and wait for the infomercial effect to kick in after a few days...

sfergus483 said...

Not worried, but again, I see no evidence of it at their site - it would be nice to have a working link

DCM in FL said...

SFERGUS

we are seeing today's PA tracker results on the Morning Call .com page in the graphic at the very lower right corner for 10/31 @

http://www.mcall.com/news/elections/all-election-president,0,155695.htmlpage

Stew Henderson said...

"Turnout will be the key, and the incredible Obama operation will help a rising tide lift all boats."

It would be more felicitous to say, "Turnout will be the key, and the incredible Obama operation is a rising tide lift that will lift all boats."

PA John said...

DCM in FL said...
not to worry about the PA Morning Call tracker


Thanks for saving me the typing...

Obama has been at least 53 for the last 6 days which means there has been no slip in support.

Emily Astor said...

Re: Pennsylvania, remember there was another significant event going on in the state yesterday... Probably not a great night to poll the state with the Phillies game and all.

sfergus483 said...

Thanks - working now

As long as the Obama # sticks at around 53, no problem.

With the 5 days, it could have fallen to 49-50 yesterday and still be at 53; McCain likely did take a big jump out of the undecideds.

George In Florida said...

I'm a little tired of everyone trying to make anything out of early voting. All it means is that you can move them over to the likely voter column, and that they are in the bank if Obama does something stupid and crashes.

Overall Early voting Up? Dem % great? All that means is the Obama has been telling everyone to early vote.

Here in FL, Dems are really trying to early vote so that, if there is a problem with thier registrations (i.e. being removed) like what happened in 2000, they can get the problem fixed before election day. Dems are told not to absentee, since they can be denied for just about any reason. Therefore I voted early for the first time.

However, early voting DOES NOT indicate that there will be very large turnout overall, or that any state is leaning one way or the other. All it means is that some people early voted.

Chi said...

Here's another dose of reality on Palin from a Republican. I only hope this gets on the MSM tomorrow.

Eagleburger Blisters Palin: "Of Course" She's Not Ready.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/31/eagleburger-blisters-pali_n_139524.html

DCM in FL said...

The funny thing is that apparently the Morning Call paper is not at all in the tank for Obama as many would assume...

look at their online 'Vote Tracker' page @

http://www.mcall.com/news/elections/all-election-president,0,155695.htmlpage

they do not even show PA as a BLUE state !!!

it has:

174 EVs for Obama/Biden
202 for McCain/Palin [wow]
162 'up for grabs'

kinda behind the curve - or else they are still trying to sell a horserace with less than 120 hours left in the campaign

jUUggernaut said...

“I’m looking for people to sign on to a lawsuit,” Moyle said to Smith, ..."

Pity what the Wild West has come to. Back in the Good Ol' Days this would have been settled in a manly way...

I live in Golden, Colorado where a rabid right wing lunatic with money is constantly suing this small city (17.000 inhabitants) with frivolous accusations that have all been struck down or decided against her but have cost us about one million dollars so far in legal fees.

What ever happened to tar and feathers?

But seriously: anyone convicted of vote suppression should be barred from voting for life, from contributing to political campaigns, and from running for office. If a local or state party is demonstrated to be behind the effort - disband it.

chuck said...

Guys, the morning call tracker number you are citing (O53-M43) doesnt make any sense. If it is the average of the last five, four of which are up here:

http://www.muhlenberg.edu/studorgs/polling/

...then McCain would have to have pulled a 51 yesterday, while Obama pulled a 52. There is something seriously off.

Lee said...

I'm on a xanax pill right now full of anxiety waiting for the next 5 days to be over with. I'm optimistic, but still really, really concerned. I've never wanted someone to win so badly in all my life. I've early voted, got all my family to early vote for Obama, got everyone around me to early vote for Obama, given what I can to the Obama campaign and I'm still an emotional wreck with the ups and downs of watching the daily tracking polls. I'm so ill-equipped to handle an election of this importance.

beamman said...

I hope you guys are right. That big, fat, consistent lead in the Morning Call tracker (though, I know, low rated by Nate) has been a rock for me in this tempestuous sea.....

stevieboy said...

I don't think it was ever realistic to expect a 13 point victory for Obama in PA, considering how close the margin was for Gore and Kerry.

The important thing is that Obama is basically at 53 or 54%% (while McCain has gained a couple of points) -- neither Gore nor Kerry made it to even 51%.

Rick said...

PA John,

What might your insight into the state mentality tell you about the effects of Palin's slip up yesterday?

She tried to appeal to the Phillies fans after the WS win. Sadly for her, she was in Western PA, Erie to be exact and the crowd didn't seem to react favorably to that mention.

chuck said...

Haha, amen beamman, a very comforting sight indeed every morning. As for that ridiculous morning call site someone else linked to, if you would like a laugh click on "vote tracker" above the big picture of obama and mccain. High comedy.

00 Assmole said...

wow, Obama 's really got some people's hopes up. At least McCAin hasn't done that to his supporters-another good reason to vote for the Cain.

and what is up with these people who quote individual polls- do they not understand how this projection site works?

DCM in FL said...

GEORGE

while your argument sounds logical, your conclusion is just plain WRONG imho

you are assuming a static pool of voters, and that IF some vote early the pool of remaing voters is reduced by that #

historically correct - but this year a large # of the early voters are 1st time voters, new registrations & lapsed voters returning to the polls

in other words a huge & are new voters that have expanded the pool of both RV & LV - so it is not rational to assume that the net effect will be to shift votes forward

the analysis of voter roles to date shows that a substantial % of these are NEW votes

so unless the regular voters from past elections who have not yet voted decide to stay home on Nov 4th & sit out the election, then turnout will in fact be substantially increased since the pool of voters casting votes has actually increased

it is not just a shift forward of the same pool of voters thereby lowering turnout on election day

logical assumption, but the data does not support your conclusion in this particular election

forecast based on actual voting patterns & who is turning out to date puts this election on track to exceed % of RV turnout since the 60's

obamagetsit said...

I always wondered this- are populations factored into polls? For instance, out of a pool of 1000 Texans, if 600 are voting McCain and 400 are voting Obama are the respondents who are from urban areas like Houston weighted more? I may be missing something- but isn't it fact that a city like Houston will bring hundreds of thousand of voters to the polls, while smaller towns (probably?) won't.

So while Obama might lose 60-40 out of a 1000 person sample, what if he won the Houston portion of the sample say, 65-35? Does this get weighted into the poll result? I just wonder because it seems obvious that metropolitan areas will bring out more voters than rural areas in many cases (I know there a a lot of rural areas- but do they exactly equal the big city populations in every state?).

Just wondering if any of you stat gurus might know... Btw- great site; I wish I could stop paying attention to the numbers and just wait until next Tuesday night. Good night from the Midwest all!

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Word Verification "Tusnade"- what you better be drinking on Election Day.

George In Florida said...

@DCM in FL

Gotta love th Montana red, Washington grey!!!

booklover said...

If McCain somehow "wins" it will mean the Republicans managed to steal another election. Their attempts to disenfranchise thousands of voters are shameful.

DCM in FL said...

CHUCK

the PA tracker is what it is, but a very small daily sample [120] so it is subject to be extremely volatile even over 5 days:

[example]

RELEASE #34 – October 30, 2008
FIELDING PERIOD – October 25-29, 2008
SAMPLE –602 Likely Voters in Pennsylvania
MARGIN OF ERROR - +/- 4.0% at 95% Level of Confidence
TOTALS MAY NOT EQUAL 100% DUE TO ROUNDING

so trying to calculate what each single day polls #'s would be is like trying to make sense of Zogby's tracking #'s...

just worth watching for any trends & watching the average spread

George In Florida said...

DCM in FL

Do you have a link to the fact that there are alot of first timers and lapsers in the early vote? I haven't seen that data yet.

chuck said...

DCM in FL

well, sure. i was just posting what the numbers had to be to get the supposed average people are fretting about on the bottom of that website. 52-51 would be a hell of a fluctuation.

Rick said...

DCM in FL said...
"CHUCK

the PA tracker is what it is, but a very small daily sample [120] so it is subject to be extremely volatile even over 5 days:

[example]

RELEASE #34 – October 30, 2008
FIELDING PERIOD – October 25-29, 2008
SAMPLE –602 Likely Voters in Pennsylvania
MARGIN OF ERROR - +/- 4.0% at 95% Level of Confidence
TOTALS MAY NOT EQUAL 100% DUE TO ROUNDING

so trying to calculate what each single day polls #'s would be is like trying to make sense of Zogby's tracking #'s...

just worth watching for any trends & watching the average spread"

To second what DCM said, it could be theoretically possible to call only McCain supporters in New Hampshire on any given night, not likely, but certainly theoretically possible. Thus any one poll is in and of itself a rough guess at best. The benefit I see in tracking polls such as these is not so much that you can guage exactly where they stand on a given day, but since the methodology remains consistant, you can guage long term trends. The day to day trending is almost always going to be within the margin of error and thus should be viewed skeptically at best, but by watching the trend over the course of multiple days and weeks you can make some relatively safe assumptions. For the moment, as has been said Obama has a general range that remains over 50% in their polling (which could be high or low depending on how their weighting is set up) and McCain consistantly polls in the mid to low 40's. The margin between the two has remained comfortably above the margin for error and as an added benefit the numbers presented have also been roughly in line with most other polls performed by other entities.

madamerica said...

@obamagetsit:

if 1000 texans are selected at random, we'd expect each town to be represented in proportion to its population. that means 10 times as many people from houston are expected to be in the sample as a town 10 times smaller. so numbers wouldn't be skewed.

however, if for some reason turnout rate is exceptionally high in houston and low in rural areas, then it would make a difference.

George In Florida said...

BTW DCM,

Did you see the McCain Democrat signs outside the polls? I saw two at the predominantly Dem poll site, but none at the predominately Rep site.

They say in big letters McCain Democrat, but when you look closer (and at the small letters) they say "another DEMOCRAT for MCCAIN", obviously trying to trick Dems who don't follow the news to believe that McCain is the democrat!!!

sfergus483 said...

There's a rec'd diary over at Dailykos - the McCain campaign has abandoned plans to send a team of veteran GOTV operatives out across the country - these are the people who know how to execute the GOP's vaunted 72 hour plan. No plane tickets for them, no car rentals, no hotels - all remaining money to TV in battleground.

McCain taking federal funding is really showing itself to have been unwise...

(poopical - I just don't want to go there, you're on your own)

DCM in FL said...

RICK

well said on your breaking it down further on how to decipher a tracking poll like Morning Call - especially for this time at night in the last days of the campaign that seems to never end...

Bonnie said...

Early Vegas voter here - 2 in the bag for Obama/Biden as of last Friday!

It is so convenient to vote here it's not even funny.

_________

WV: garmic - A member of the onion family Alliaceae one can use to navigate a vehicle which also plays slightly disturbing Xmas commercials.

DCM in FL said...

SEAN

forgot to mention that you grabbed my attention to read this On the Road article on Nevada by the choice of your intro:

'GAMBLY AND WHORISH...'

made me smile & read...

pocket 9's indeed

craps - momma needs a new pair of shoes !!! coming out... 7/11

puttin my money behind the line cuz Obama is gonna come up a winner when he hits the magic # [50]

Rick said...

sfergus483 said...
"There's a rec'd diary over at Dailykos - the McCain campaign has abandoned plans to send a team of veteran GOTV operatives out across the country - these are the people who know how to execute the GOP's vaunted 72 hour plan. No plane tickets for them, no car rentals, no hotels - all remaining money to TV in battleground.

McCain taking federal funding is really showing itself to have been unwise...

(poopical - I just don't want to go there, you're on your own)"

I actually disagree that choosing to take the federal funding was unwise. How they chose to USE that money on the other hand is a whole other matter. They went on media blitzes with ads that every poll out there said were only serving to tick off the folks middle and soft left that they needed to pick up. Their rocketing from attack to attack and often contradicting the attacks they were running were an additional indication of wasted money.

Honestly, here is my thought on what they could have and should have done from day one.

1) Having locked down the nomination long before the Democrats had and long before they were locked into any spending caps, they should have focused on defining who John McCain was. Not on attacking either of the two candidates themselves, but siimply on building up McCain's image.

2) Once it was all but confirmed that Obama was the Democratic choice, they should have begun to tailor their image and attack against him. In this case the experience argument. To that end they should have picked a VP that would be strong on the economy which was really the only legit hole in McCain's own portfolio. With that hole plugged they could have hammered Obama on experience whole heartedly. Putting him on the defensive to prove his experience and giving you plenty of ammo to attack his policies as he was forced to get specific.

3) Paid attention to Obama's movements with an eye to countering his arguments and penning him in on the defensive if possible.

4) When the economy collapsed, that's where you make use of your strong VP choice, sending him to Washington to work on the bailout while you continue campaigning. This shows you are balanced and effective. Had the event been foreign based or domestic security, then McCain takes the lead on the action instead.

Following these general guidelines, I think the contest is a good deal more balanced, and done right McCain might even be in the lead now.

Instead he undercut his own arguments at every turn. He argues experience and pulls in an unvetted inexperienced and unknown vp pick. Arguing steady leadership in a crisis he pulls a stunt that backfires on him 300%. In addition because he failed to pay attention to Obama's movements he's been forced on the defensive and he's pretty much SOL.

Just as an example on Larry King the other day McCain admitted that Obama isn't a socialist. Palin at an interview, admitted that Obama is fully patriotic and supportive of America. Yet neither of those things are what they say on the stump. They've been backed into tossing out lines they themselves cannot actually support in a desperate hope of it swaying folks out of fear when they should have actually looked for policy flaws to directly attack. The socialism argument doesn't fit the bill since it is exagerated hyperbole.

Rick said...

DCM in FL said...
"SEAN

forgot to mention that you grabbed my attention to read this On the Road article on Nevada by the choice of your intro:

'GAMBLY AND WHORISH...'

made me smile & read...

pocket 9's indeed

craps - momma needs a new pair of shoes !!! coming out... 7/11

puttin my money behind the line cuz Obama is gonna come up a winner when he hits the magic # [50]"

Actually, I took note for a whole other reason. Look at the very first line of the intro...

Today we continue our Road to 270 series with the [Nate] Silver State, Nevada. (emphasis mine)

Then continue to your gambly and whorish part.

DCM in FL said...

GEORGE

I did notice that there was a sea of GOP candidate signs all around the local early voting poll site in New Symrna Beach @ the library

far more than for the DEMs

but it is hard to tell them apart as McCain & most of the downticket GOP are using similar dark blue signs too - with no mention of 'Republican' on any of their signs.

A McCain & Obama dark blue signs look very similar as one drives past, so the impact gets lost IMHO

not sure who that helps - cuts both ways.

the newer 'White' & blue Obama signs stand out much better now than the older dark blue ones - and our local DEM candidate to unseat Tom Feeney [Kosmas] has her yard signs in a similar White & Blue as Obama/Biden so that color palette seems to work better for both IMHO

Redshift said...

wow, Obama 's really got some people's hopes up. At least McCAin hasn't done that to his supporters-another good reason to vote for the Cain.

I think Bob Barr's got him beat in that category. ;-)

cafl said...

Early voting is discussed here:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/30/obamas_early_vote_push.html?hpid=topnews

Rick said...

wow, Obama 's really got some people's hopes up. At least McCAin hasn't done that to his supporters-another good reason to vote for the Cain.

Actually, it is McCain himself and his actions and choices that has me so hopeful for an Obama win. I'm not a democrat by inclination. However, I do agree with many of Obama's arguments and I strongly disagree that this country could possibly be better off under McCain.

DCM in FL said...

RICK

LOL - I had to go back to the top to see the reference you made about the 'Nate Silver State'

that was clever [as usual], but I must have scanned right over it because the 'GAMBLY AND WHORISH' instantly caught my discerning eye...

Redshift said...

I actually disagree that choosing to take the federal funding was unwise. How they chose to USE that money on the other hand is a whole other matter.

I agree. McCain would probably have even less money if he hadn't, plus he'd have had to spend a whole lot of time at fundraisers, since the GOP doesn't have a small-donor network to match Obama's.

George In Florida said...

DCM

This was a white sign. The word Another was in yellow (I believe), and in script so it was hard to read. No mention of Republican, GOP, or Palin.

WV: parfer "McCain attack add? parfer the course"

andrewswift said...

I can't believe no one has commented on the Boyz to Men sign.

jutfur

DCM in FL said...

REDSHIFT

I also agree with you.

Besides, IF Mac had to raise more general election $$$ what would the odds be that during the fall he would have embarrassing fund raising disclosure about money from Wall Street, Bankers & other BIG Lobbyists

he would have had to take money from anyone & everyone especially BIG donors

that would have tainted his campaign even more besides the time + cost of old 20th century style fundraising efforts [like Hillary discovered]

he probably would have had to raise at least 150 million to make up for the 'free' 84 million + the money they simply redirected to the RNC instead of collecting directly

DCM in FL said...

I can't believe that the old Orleans Casino is still around - same thing for Boyz 2 Men...

talk about time warps...

word - 'thall'

Rick said...

I think the biggest take away from this whole campaign is concider how each ran their election attempt. This provides or should provide an indication of their leadership and delegational skills, choice of personel and all in all provide a fair estimate of how they would have approached governing the nation.

DCM in FL said...

RICK

Mac = 20th Century analog low def campaign at every level, strategy, candidate[s], messages & narratives, style, etc - outdated like the dinosaurs

[but like a gator, it survives & is still dangerous if you are not cautious]

Obama = 21st Century modern digital HD campaign in all aspects - tactical, strategic & tech savvy

PA John said...

Very crudley, working things out on a spreadsheet for PA tracker.

I went back 3 weeks and here the crude results for the last 8 nights:

McCain:
40- 42 - 39 - 40 - 43 - 45 -40 - 45

Works out to:
10/28 total: 41%
10/29 total: 42%
10/30 total: 41%
10/31 total: 43%

Obama:
53 - 53 - 54 - 53 -54 - 53 -54 - 53

Works out to:
10/28 total: 53%
10/29 total: 53%
10/30 total: 54%
10/31 total: 53%

Crude estimate but it looks reasonable. There doesnt have to be anything too wild happening. McCain is bouncing around more and Obama is solid. Still I don't believe he's broken 45 on any single night.

Forrest J. Bowlick said...

I know that a couple of my friends are canvassing for Obama here in Greeley, CO. Greeley. Where two years ago, President Bush flew in and had a big rally with Rep. Musgrave. Now, we're making this look like an Obama town.

Word: 'amphort' A rarely used term regarding sound levels. 'About one amphort'

Smitty said...

DCM - excellent descriptive analysis of the difference between the two candidates. I'm impressed.

Rick said...

No argument DCM, though I think it goes a step further than that.

McCain and Palin both appear to demand loyalty and have high asperations. However, McCain doesn't appear to inspire loyalty. To start his general election campaign he absorbed the staff of other candidates, such as Romney. There is no real unity in the group and he cannot inspire any. He has lobbiests surrounding him and given how uncomfortable he seems at times with the talking points he has, it appears that they are not his own idea, but that of a subordinate and yet he goes along as directed, trusting those under him to get it right. The Romney staffers now appear to be the Palin handlers, yet they still are more loyal to Romney and so reports have it that they are the ones leaking the anti Palin sentiments in an effort to make her less palatable than Romney in later election years. Essentially, he's still the bomber pilot mentality. You have a general goal, but they can't really tell you how specifically to get there so just do whatever you need to. Thinking ahead is a general waste, you have to react.

On the other hand, Obama inspires loyalty and through that loyalty he gets obedience and a cohesive whole to his campaign. While he has many advisors and trusts them all, it still appears that all major calls run through him as the boss. The advisors are there to advise, as leader he leads. He approaches it with a great lawyer's mentality. Be fully prepared in advance, but ready to react to unexpected changes if the need arises.

PA John said...

PA John,

What might your insight into the state mentality tell you about the effects of Palin's slip up yesterday?

She tried to appeal to the Phillies fans after the WS win. Sadly for her, she was in Western PA, Erie to be exact and the crowd didn't seem to react favorably to that mention.


Sorry for the delay I was number crunching!

It just points out the blatent pandering and lack of thinking on her handlers part - it's embarassing to get booed at your own rally. I'm not sure if she used the line in Williamsport. It may haved played better there - the Phillies have a minor league affiliate there.

In western PA, it just reminds Pirates fans how crappy their organization has become! Phillies fans are too busy celebrating to care. Erie is Cleveland Indians country anyway.

George In Florida said...

@cafl

Thanks for the link. However, the only information I saw there was 100,000 1st timers in N.C. N.C.'s early vote so far has been 1.8M, or 1 in 18 earlry voters are first timers. I don't think that is very significant. I don't know the ratio overall, but here in FL, the number is about 1 in 11 new voters since 2004. Don't know about N.C. either.

I'm not saying we won't have a high turn out, or that we won't have a significant turn out of new voters. I have seen that 18-29s is low, and a very large portion would be new voters.

I do realize we have seen very high black turn out (especially in GA), but on the other hand, I don't know if that is indicative of a large, new, black turn out, or that they are just afraid of Rep games pulling thier registrations, so they voted early make sure, or if Obama's call to vote early is being headed.

I guess I'd like to see more evidence before I believed that the high turn out really means anything.

Green said...

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/

Check Colorado...

The cake is baking.

November 5 we get to meet...
John the Loser.

Rick said...

PA John said...
"It just points out the blatent pandering and lack of thinking on her handlers part - it's embarassing to get booed at your own rally. I'm not sure if she used the line in Williamsport. It may haved played better there - the Phillies have a minor league affiliate there."

Speaking of lack of thinking on the handlers part...McCain tried to call on Joe the Plumber at one of his stops yesterday morning and Joe wasn't there. How embarassing is that? Check to see if the people you are going to call on are actually present first. The whole campaign has just become one major disorganized joke.

Subterranean said...

To use the broadest brush available, I think McCain and his team are just a bunch of self-entitled jerks.

They didn't get their hands dirty building a ground game and integrated command structure. Why? Because they just don't think they should have too work that hard.

From day one, McCain's attitude has been: I deserve this. Gimme!

Rick said...

Subterranean said...
"To use the broadest brush available, I think McCain and his team are just a bunch of self-entitled jerks.

They didn't get their hands dirty building a ground game and integrated command structure. Why? Because they just don't think they should have too work that hard.

From day one, McCain's attitude has been: I deserve this. Gimme!"

I tend to agree. I also wonder how much of their arrogance and lack of preparedness was due to the fact they knew they were running against either an african american or a woman. Conventional wisdom would suggest a white male would have an advantage over either when running for president in today's society.

chopperjc said...

Remeber when Obama would not really take any of Hillary's staff? Why? I guess it is obvious now.

Subterranean said...

rick - Good point.

The Washington Post article that sfergus mentioned is somewhat relevant, perhaps: ""The desire for parity on television comes at the expense of investment in paid boots on the ground," said one top Republican strategist who has been privy to McCain's plans. "The folks who will oversee the volunteer operation have been told to get out into the field on their own nickel.""

Rick said...

chopperjc said...
"Remeber when Obama would not really take any of Hillary's staff? Why? I guess it is obvious now."

Aside from anything else, he already had a pretty solid staff in place. But yes, there was indeed a chance of someone on staff perhaps trying to push more of Hillary's agenda than his own.

I also think one of the main reasons he couldn't pick Hillary as his running mate is that she is every bit as ambitious as Obama and fairly bull headed. While he might welcome alternate view points, the question is how much would she try to undermine his authority in pursuing her own ambition? I think Biden was a wiser choice as it appears to have bypassed that pitfall and also helped shore him up on the experience question.

chopperjc said...

I Can't remember the name but he took the latin lady that was fired because that was where he was the weakest. Yes I agree Biden was the best choice. He would fall into line instead of trying to run everything.

Rick said...

Subterranean said...
rick - Good point.

The Washington Post article that sfergus mentioned is somewhat relevant, perhaps: ""The desire for parity on television comes at the expense of investment in paid boots on the ground," said one top Republican strategist who has been privy to McCain's plans. "The folks who will oversee the volunteer operation have been told to get out into the field on their own nickel.""


Man, what a numbskull McCain or whomever is in charge of his so called strategy is. The GOTV effort was his only remaining hope. He can't win in advertising, but if he could somehow make full use of the republican ground game of the past and perhaps even kick it into a higher gear, he might have stood a shot at getting enough votes, particulary if Obama supporters do get overconfident at the 1 yard line.

But from day one he has disdained the ground game while Obama has turned his into a monumental movement.

chopperjc said...

Palin is about to find out what a "community organizer" is.

Rick said...

chopperjc said...
"Palin is about to find out what a "community organizer" is."

I think the most ironic part of the republican insults on the community organizer concept as a whole is the fact that it probably drove a large majority of those very same organizers into aiding the Obama campaign. Folks who are experienced at the very kind of ground game that Obama was establishing.

MATT J. H. said...

Folks, I'm calling it. This election is over. Nevada is gone, Colorado is gone, Pennsylvania is gone. Even Virginia is now a luxury.

It's OVER.

Rick said...

MATT J. H. said...
"Folks, I'm calling it. This election is over. Nevada is gone, Colorado is gone, Pennsylvania is gone. Even Virginia is now a luxury.

It's OVER."

Virginia was always a luxury. However, it played a very vital role at the same time. Going on the offensive in Virginia, North Carolina, etc forced McCain to give up on the thought of attacking Obama strong holds and shifting a good portion of his money to defense of states he should have had in the bag. Just as he is now finding himself having to spend money in Arizona that he never planned on. And word is that Obama may just slip in a visit there.

Yes, the election is a done deal, but it is so in large part because Obama never let his organization get cocky and lose focus no matter how good the picture looked. We can rest easy because they are still focused on finishing the race strong. However, it can still be lost if his supporters think as you do and decide not to bother to vote.

Besides, if we want him to have a strong mandate and actually get the progress done that this country needs, then we need to all make sure we vote and provide him with unequivical support.

interstices said...

Early voting in Boise is by mail this year and 67,000 of the 200,000 RV have requested ballots and so far 40,000+ returned.

Dem GOTV phone efforts are getting squeezed some by the Idaho for Obama office making phone calls into Nevada and Montana. Idaho will be red this year but NV & MT may go blue with help from the Gem State.

kemlab101 said...

Lets not let up now folks! I'm gathering (badgering) a group of friends to come with me putting poll-location leaflets out at 5AM on the 4th in AZ. We'll run interference for those of you in swing states. I also gave another 75 bucks to the Obama campaign today so they could beef up their TV advertising. Track down everyone you know and make sure they've either voted or have solid plans to vote. I don't want to watch history, I want to be a part of it!

word verification: ressir
George Jetson: "Astro, go tell Jane to vote Obama."
Astro: "Ressir."

yanks145 said...

Has anyone noticed a substantial reduction in Palin coverage? I just dont see nearly as many stories or clips of her even though she still is campaigning...

SHERWICK said...

Palin who?

15 min of fame over thankfully.

wv = worglin as in "we are all worglin hard to ensure an Obama victory!"

Rick said...

yanks145 said...
"Has anyone noticed a substantial reduction in Palin coverage? I just dont see nearly as many stories or clips of her even though she still is campaigning..."

I was thinking the same thing. I didn't even hear anything about her supposed Energy and Iran conference or whatever it was supposed to be.

Just John said...

To follow up on the reddest of the red, that good ol' Idaho:

A buddy of mine who works for the ACLU in Boise says officials expect turnout in semi-rural Canyon County to reach 90 percent.

As we continue to marvel at BHO's ground game, let's not forget that McCain supporters are pretty pumped to get out there and vote against the scary liberal black man. Don't let up just because we D's look like sure winners this time around.

(lutdruc: what happens when milk goes bad facing backwards in the fridge.)

SHERWICK said...

I would like to congratulate the GOP for remaining indictment-free for two days in a row.

Frida1980 said...

For a boost look at these maps side by side.

2004

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2004/Pres/Maps/Oct30.html

And 2008

http://www.electoral-vote.com/


Wow...

Doesn't that just make you feel better?

kemlab101 said...

Good one Sherwick:)

wv: Plumpub

Where Joe drinks?

Rick said...

SHERWICK said...
"I would like to congratulate the GOP for remaining indictment-free for two days in a row."

Gosh Darnit! Now you've jinxed them.

SHERWICK said...

An Israeli archeologist has discovered what he says is the earliest-known Hebrew text, found on a shard of pottery that dates to the time of King David from the Old Testament, about 3,000 years ago. The site where it was found is near the place where the Bible describes the battle between David and Goliath -- the Elah Valley.
It said, in Hebrew, "Don't pick Palin."
Talmudic scholars are currently analyzing this phrase.

yanks145 said...

Just want to say that after living in Europe for the past 2 years (Spain and now Switzerland) it has been (and hopefully will be after Nov 4) so great to discuss U.S. politics with a huge smile on my face!
An Obama presidency is not only right for the U.S. but also for the rest of the world, especially for minorities because believe it or not, the U.S. is a far more integrated nation than most. An Obama victory would help so many immigrants fighting for a voice here in Europe and in other developed nations. Obama really is a transformational figure in a transformational election that truly has positive ramifications for the U.S and the rest of the world.

Rick said...

yanks145 said...
"Just want to say that after living in Europe for the past 2 years (Spain and now Switzerland) it has been (and hopefully will be after Nov 4) so great to discuss U.S. politics with a huge smile on my face!
An Obama presidency is not only right for the U.S. but also for the rest of the world, especially for minorities because believe it or not, the U.S. is a far more integrated nation than most. An Obama victory would help so many immigrants fighting for a voice here in Europe and in other developed nations. Obama really is a transformational figure in a transformational election that truly has positive ramifications for the U.S and the rest of the world."

Careful, one of our trolls said he was moving to Switzerland if Obama should win. I think it was RWC but I could be wrong.

Rick said...

OMFG, does he never learn?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27466701/

yanks145 said...

Rick said...
"Careful, one of our trolls said he was moving to Switzerland if Obama should win. I think it was RWC but I could be wrong."

Haha, I'll inform Swiss immigration to block his entry.

obsessed said...

Apparently, McCain has cut funding for the 72 hour GOTV effort in favor of TV ads?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/31/03654/518/249/647590

p smith said...

More PPP numbers.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/

Michigan: Obama 55 McCain 42

New Mexico: Obama 58 McCain 41
Udall (D) 58 Pearce (R) 39

Oregon: Obama 57 McCain 42
Merkley (D) 51 Smith (R) 43

It is not hyperbole to say that Obama has already won Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado, Washington and Oregon. The latest SUSA poll for Iowa confirms that 60% of LVs have now voted and that Obama leads by 40 points among then. Even if the figure was only 20% it would mean that McCain would have to win remaining voters by 25% to win the state. In Colorado, PPP confirm that Obama leads by 17% among the 65% of LVs who have already voted. So unless McCain wins the balance there by 20 points he loses. In New Mexico Obame leads by 28 points among the 56% of people who have already voted. McCain needs to win the balance by 30 points to win the state. Ain't gonna happen. The same for OR and WA.

Latest early voting figures from FL confirm the Dems have an 8 point lead among the 30% who have voted early. Certainly not enough to seal it but a massive head start. You cannot underestimate the difference between votes that are in the bank and the real possibility that McCain cannot even guarantee that his base will turnout in force on Tuesday.

Check the figures here

http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2008.html

Rick said...

While I agree that wins are very likely in those states, I wouldn't put too much trust in those numbers. What I mean is they are going by subgrouping an already relatively small group of polled people and trying to extrapolate that into the entire market. It may be in the ballpark, but it's doubtful it's on the money as they are looking at likely voters in their polls that have already voted. They could poll again tomorrow and not hit a single person that has voted early.

Just as with looking at actual early voting numbers from the polls, they can only tell you democrat registered vs republican, not how those people actually voted. It's an encouraging statistic but it proves nothing.

p smith said...

Rick, I take your point but in states where more than 50% of people have already voted, the sample is sufficiently large to extrapolate (at least as adequate as any normal poll). Now if early voting in a state was only at 20% I would agree with you.

Don't get me wrong, I don't your average Dem voter to know that these states are in the can because they still need to turn out on Tuesday but for those of us who follow this election very closely, we don't need to be quite as nervous as we have been.

Rick said...

p smith said...
"Rick, I take your point but in states where more than 50% of people have already voted, the sample is sufficiently large to extrapolate (at least as adequate as any normal poll). Now if early voting in a state was only at 20% I would agree with you."

I don't know. Just because half of the voters have voted doesn't mean the polling method is going to be properly representative. If I understood your initial analysis it was based on phone polling of those states, then taking the results and applying the LV model, and then determining how many of those have actually voted and for whom.

Your 50%+ looks to be based purely upon the poll results, IE how many polled had voted, rather than the actual voting turnout. Please let me know if I'm mistaken in how I read your explanation.

Rain33 said...

Well worth a read.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7662925

Buckeye said...

It is not hyperbole to say that Obama has already won Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado, Washington and Oregon. The latest SUSA poll for Iowa confirms that 60% of LVs have now voted and that Obama leads by 40 points among then.
-----------------------------------
according to Joe Scarbrough all of these places are tied now. Joe is such a tool. And that Andrea is nothing that an abused woman on that show. She let's that guy walks over all of the time and she never speaks up.

James said...

I was comparing Obama's numbers with those of the two previous elections at http://www.electoral-vote.com/ and notice that Obama is running better (or even) than Kerry and Gore in most states. However, he isn't in MA or RI. Sure, Kerry was from MA but Gore wasn't. And that doesn't explain RI(though to be fair we haven't seen many polls out of there). Anyone know why this might be?

I'm especially intrigued by MA, for such a blue state his lead there isn't as overwhelming as I expected, and he didn't do well in the primary there either (nor in RI).

Dominic said...

yanks145 said...

An Obama presidency is not only right for the U.S. but also for the rest of the world, especially for minorities because believe it or not, the U.S. is a far more integrated nation than most. An Obama victory would help so many immigrants fighting for a voice here in Europe and in other developed nations. Obama really is a transformational figure in a transformational election that truly has positive ramifications for the U.S and the rest of the world.


I totally agree. I live in a neighborhood in Paris with a very large African population. People here are very excited about the election, there are pictures of Obama on the covers of African magazines and in stores. The Africans here suffer with very heavy handed discrimination, and this situation is forcing the French to do a lot of soul searching. Already in recent years there have been more and more African faces as newscasters, TV personalities and in minor roles in government, in no small part because people have become accustomed to seeing Black faces in American culture.

markymark said...

I think Palin is about to understand that communities have power, especially when they are organised!

Feeling good still about tuesday, looks like the polls really are pretty static just at the moment, and I would expect more movement in them if something funny "Bradley Effect" related were going to happen. I think thats the one thing that concerns me a tad about the Mason/Dixon PA poll yesterday was it might be something that hints at some Bradley Effect there, but even still there Obama seems to have enough of a lead not to worry about that overly.

Rick said...

http://www.economist.com/vote2008/

Buckeye said...

I'm especially intrigued by MA, for such a blue state his lead there isn't as overwhelming as I expected, and he didn't do well in the primary there either (nor in RI).
--------------------------------
Do you know the history of race relations of blacks and whties there? I hear a lot about the south on here, however, there are some spots in the north that would make some towns in the south bluch and boston is one of those cities.

Buckeye said...

http://www.blackamericaweb.com/?q=articles/news/moving_america_news/1933

This hasn't been receiving any air play. But there is a Million vote march in Atlanta this weekend. I take it those students we haven't been seeing in Georgia will be there.

James said...

@buckeye:

I didn't realise that about Boston (I'm actually not American). Thanks for the info.

markymark said...

On Massachusetts, Kerry won the 2 horse race (comparing only his and Bush's votes) in that state 64-36, bear in mind this is Kerry's home state. Nate has Obama winning MA 59-39. I think 5 points for the hometowner is fine.

p smith said...

Rick, the best way I can explain it is that the poll sampled about 2000 likely voters. Of those 1200 had already voted. Of that 1000, 600 voted for Obama and 400 voted for McCain.

Now of course it is a matter of extrapolation to suggest that the same pattern would apply across the whole state but that is the very nature of polling. That is what "margins of error" are designed to address but once a sample size exceeds 1000, it is pretty robust from a statistical point of view.

The chances of a sample of 2000 finding that 1200 had already voted whereas in fact only 20% of people had voted early, are infinitescimally small. Similarly the possibility that Obama leads among those voters not by 20% but, say, by 5 points is again tiny.

Matt said...

Uptick in DailyKos/R2K tracking poll. Yesterday's result...

O: 52
M: 44

51-45 three day average.

PA John said...

Daily Kos/R2000:

O 51 (+1)
M 45

Last night was 52-44 Obama, a nice bump from the Obamercial.

p smith said...

Rick, one more bit of clarification, we also have figures for actual turnout in some states such as Colorado and New Mexico. Look here

http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2008.html

It confirms that turnout in those two states is over 50% which appears to corroborate the polling.

Herunar said...

McCain looks at the newly released PA polls, shakes his head sadly, and crosses out "Pennsylvania" from his list of the patriotic parts of America.

kimmy said...
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John David said...

Kimmy,

PPP re;eased a New Mexico poll today with Obama up 17 points.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NewMexico_1031582.pdf

Breathe. New Mexico is going blue.

Subterranean said...

Not just "shocking", clearly wrong.

The only poll that has shown McCain within the margin of error in NM for the last month is Zogby Interactive.

Enough said.

jnorthrop said...

@kimmy --

You can't blame him for cherry picking results, even if they are serious outliers. Hell, I keep talking about that Pew poll from a couple of days ago. It's just human nature.

intire -- the intire Morning Joe staff is clinging to a fantasy.

Matt said...

Are you serious about Morning Joe? Man, they are getting desperate. I saw that ASU poll a few days ago. A couple of things:

1) The interviews were done from Sept. 22-Oct. 17 so it's ancient by polling standards.

2) I could not find a breakdown by state and number of respondents anywhere in the .pdf. (The NM 46-46 number was mentioned in the link, but not broken out anywhere in the .pdf. Instead, respondents from all states were lumped together).

Idiotic cherrypicking.

samule said...

too many polls, the polling market is out of control, not only Wall Street needs to be regulated...

I hope an Obama Presidency will bring some order into this mess, with Nate's help of course!

WV: me man Sizzla would say I like me paapaz "extratin"

markymark said...

Matt,

Just a word of caution, I don't think cherrypicking is necesarily idiotic. I think it does show that this race is not totally in the bag, that there is work to calcify the win to be done in some states, that ground game and GOTV still matter.

Now that might not be the point Joe was making, but we all know his political balance, and the way that the GOP may be looking at he polls is saying 'Oh look we might just have a chance still, which isn't necesarily a bad thing for them to be thinking.

Remember, when they say that only one poll really matters in the end, they ARE right.

jnorthrop said...

Uh oh. Tightening!

"Poll: Dead heats in 2 key swing states"

That's the headline on Politico this morning. But when you read the article those two state are MO and NC. Who would have thought that those two states would be KEY swing states... The media is getting desperate for something to hold onto.

mines -- what's mines is also yours

PA John said...

saw that ASU poll a few days ago. A couple of things:

1) The interviews were done from Sept. 22-Oct. 17 so it's ancient by polling standards.

2) I could not find a breakdown by state and number of respondents anywhere in the .pdf. (The NM 46-46 number was mentioned in the link, but not broken out anywhere in the .pdf. Instead, respondents from all states were lumped together).

Idiotic cherrypicking.


LOL if that's the poll... then EPIC FAIL!

kimmy said...

Guys Guys Guys ... I DID NOT Fall for the cherry picking and Gladly I went looking for more Infor mation and I found THIS ...

Among registered voters, McCain leads Obama 50 percent to 42 percent overall (undecided voters are not included in the percentages). The breakdown by state shows strong support for McCain in Arizona and Texas, while Nevada leans toward Obama, and New Mexico is even. The breakdown by state is:

* Arizona – 51 percent for McCain, 40 percent for Obama
* Texas – 50 percent for McCain, 41 percent for Obama
* Nevada – 48 percent for Obama, 44 percent for McCain
* New Mexico – 46 percent for each

The strength of intent to vote shows a slight advantage for McCain; 89 percent of McCain voters say they would “definitely vote” or “had already voted,” compared to 79 percent of Obama voters.

The Arizona State University-Southwest Poll was conducted by telephone Sept. 22 to Oct. 17 among a random sample of 1,208 adult residents in the Southwest United States (293 in Arizona, 190 in Nevada, 525 in Texas and 200 in New Mexico). The results from the full survey have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.


Just look at those sample sizes for New Mexico and Nevada ...

Less than 200 EACH ... Are they serious ?

And it looks like they are only considering "Registered Voters" and Not "Likely Voters" ...


Anyway I was NOT that concerned BUT I just let out a sigh of minimal relief when I saw the expanded information on the polling ...

kimmy said...

markymark said ...

Just a word of caution, I don't think cherrypicking is necesarily idiotic. I think it does show that this race is not totally in the bag, that there is work to calcify the win to be done in some states, that ground game and GOTV still matter.



I know We Need to Get Out The Vote and the cherry picking helps to drive up turnout BUT I think the Repubs are looking for a way to explain away a THEFT of a state that ends up being close or tight on election day ...

I DO NOT want them to have the benefit of the doubt ...

cora said...

Poll was conducted by telephone Sept. 22 to Oct. 17

200 interviews in 4 weeks
50 interviews per week
7 interviews per day

I'll start a Polling Firm.

markymark said...

kimmy,

Absoltely, however I think this will be enough of a convincing win to not worry about the odd state and voter fraud.

Heather Nordquist said...

@rick
@psmith
The NM numbers at GMU are only for Bernalillo County (where Albuquerque is) From the CNN early vote site, there are 335,000 votes statewide, or 44%. That is still significant. They are breaking 53/32/14 D/R/I. I think that finding the PPP already voted percentage is reasonable, and one could draw reasonable conclusions based on that.

SHERWICK said...

The only conclusion I can draw is that McGramps and Failin' are screwed.

Still, 4 days to go. Anything can happen, such as aliens landing and brainwashing us all into voting for Gramps.

Heather Nordquist said...

@sherwick

That would be true if most of us hadn't already voted. LOL

*fiwil*

SHERWICK said...

Lawrence Eagleburger, who served as Secretary of State under George H.W. Bush and whose endorsement is often trumpeted by McCain, said "heaven forbid that" Pain becomes President.
Eagleburger explained: "I don't think at the moment she is prepared to take over the reigns of the presidency. I can name for you any number of other vice presidents who were not particularly up to it either. So the question, I think, is can she learn and would she be tough enough under the circumstances if she were asked to become president, heaven forbid that that ever takes place.".

Yes, when Eagleburger endorsed McCain, he didn't realise that he would be so 'mavericky' to choose Palin and make Eagleburger look like a fool.

SHERWICK said...

On successive individual days in the R2K poll Obama was up +5 Tues, +5 Wed and +8 Thurs, with a +6 Mon sample rolling off.

Looks like the 'McCain Surge in Reverse' is working like a dream.

Real Joe said...



AP/YAHOO

Obama 51, McCain 43

Joshuaaaaaa said...

Technically it was the Clark County Democratic Party that was unprepared for the Democratic Convention (which I attended and referred to as the Clark County Clusterf*ck). The state convention, run by the Nevada Democratic Party went off with few hitches. Hopefully they have learned from this and do better in 2012.

Andy JS said...

Without John McCain, this would be a landslide for Obama. But war heroes are probably more respected in America than any other figures.

I think Obama will win either 51-48 or 52-47. I'm not sure which at the moment.

Lucas said...

Gambly and Whorish?

fuck sake

Jeffrey said...

Okay, for the record -- and it was hard for me to remember all 42 states that HAVE been passed on our road to 270 -- by my estimates we still have:

Wisconsin
Missouri
Michigan
Washington, D.C.

Then the interesting Senate race in:

Georgia

and the tippy states of

Ohio
Pennsylvania
Colorado
Virginia

And only 4 1/2 days to write 'em...

Ross said...

The Nevada Caucuses were fine on the Democratic side; it was the Clark County Convention that had issues.

Oh, and tell Mr. Silver that next time he goes on MSNBC he should try to pronounce Nevada correctly.

morgan said...

It is interesting that this was posted on October 30th. Since the 31st is Nevada Day.

Happy Nevada Day to you all.

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