Today we continue our Road to 270 series with the Show-Me State, Missouri.
HOME OF FIVETHIRTYEIGHT'S BELOVED ST. LOUIS BLUES HOCKEY CLUB, Missouri and its eleven electoral votes hang in precarious balance. If you look at our chart below, Missouri doesn't rank in the top ten or bottom ten of any category except for white evangelicals, where it ranks tenth. In 12 of the 26 demographic breakdowns we show, Missouri ranks in the median ten. In 17 of the 26 data points, Missouri ranks in the median twenty. In 25 of 26, the median thirty. Sitting at an Obama projection of 0.1% today, Missouri is truly the median state of the 2008 election, and it could go either way. On election night, either John McCain or Barack Obama are going to have to show this Missouri native who wants it more.
Key Demographics

Note: Factors colored in red can generally be thought to help McCain. Factors in blue can generally be thought to help Obama. Factors in purple have ambiguous effects. Except where otherwise apparent, the numbers next to each variable represent the proportion out of each 100 residents in each state who fall into that category. Fundraising numbers reflect dollars raised in the 2008 campaign cycle per eligible voter in each state. Figures for seniors and youth voters are proportions of all residents aged 18+, rather than all residents of any age. The figure for education reflects the average number of years of completed schooling for all adults aged 25+. The figure for same-sex households reflects the number of same-sex partner households as a proportion of all households in the state. The liberal-conservative index is scaled from 0 (conservative) to 100 (liberal), based on a Likert score of voter self-identification in 2004 exit polls. The turnout rates reflect eligible voters only. Unemployment rates are current as of June 2008.
What McCain Has Going For Him
Missouri is a more socially conservative state in the rural areas, and Obama can't be happy about more Walmarts than Starbucks. A few more than the median own guns, report "American" ancestry, are military vets, are Mormon, aren't Catholic. And the education rate is slightly below normal, despite half of FiveThirtyEight's writing staff putting in 12 good public school years in the state. McCain has reason to hope Missouri stays red despite a far worse ground campaign; the Ozark and Bootheel areas are particularly resistant to black candidates in a way they wouldn't to someone like Claire McCaskill, and Obama hasn't personally spent as much time in rural Missouri. Still, McCain is in rough shape in St. Louis County, and this native expects Obama to overperform there.
What Obama Has Going For Him
Barack Obama just turned out 100,000 people in St. Louis, and 75,000 in Kansas City, but that doesn't necessarily translate to votes -- Obama brought out large crowds in Pennsylvania during the primary and didn't win. Missouri is a state with two poles of Democratic support -- St. Louis and Kansas City -- and a whole lot of red turf in between. The challenge for any Democratic candidate is to hold down the losses in the "Missour-uh" parts of the state and rack it up in the "Missour-ee" areas. Also, keep in mind that Sarah Palin attacked the Blues starting goalie Manny Legace recently, tripping him on her carpet and then devouring his left knee like a crazed wolverine (note: some of this sentence isn't true). Obama should get a good Legace Bounce.
What To Watch For
The presidential race is the biggie, and one House race -- the open 9th district seat which incumbent Republican Kenny Hulshof gave up to run for Governor -- is a pure tossup. The Governor's race between Democrat Jay Nixon and Hulshof leans Democratic, and House district 6 in the northwest part of the state between former Democratic K.C. mayor Kay Barnes and incumbent Republican Sam Graves leans Republican. In statewide Missouri races, the St. Louis County suburbs are where races tend to be decided. With a vote percentage of around 19% in that county alone, Barack Obama will have to win by a McCaskill-like margin of around 12 points as well as maximize turnout. John Kerry carried the county by 9 points, but it wasn't enough. On Super Tuesday primary night, Missouri provided the biggest drama when it NBC called it for Clinton and had to reverse itself and give the state to Obama. On Friday before the election, Missouri is projected for Barack Obama by one-tenth of one percent, the closest state in our current projections.



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First....
Boo Blues,
Go Habs Go..
Obama's making a campaign stop tomorrow in Springfield, MO. I'm going to try to attend, should be a fun time.
The Blues will win the election, not the Cup.
Let's go, Rangers.
The most interesting times for this site will be AFTER the election, when all the postmortems on the gold standard testing dataset can occur. Rock on, Silver!
Here is a nice article to keep me awake:
Michael Tomasky
The Guardian, Saturday November 1 2008
So as we reach the finish line: John McCain's pollster declares himself satisfied that the race is functionally tied in the important states; Barack Obama says "we're winning"; while liberals across the US speak fretfully in the subjunctive tense, daring not to tempt fate by saying anything like "when Obama is president".
Are the liberal caution and the McCain quasi-optimism actually warranted? Is there any way the Republican could still win this thing?
The answer mathematically is... yes, he could. And it needn't even hinge on eking out a win in Pennsylvania.
Consider the following electoral-college permutations. Obama wins all the states John Kerry won in 2004, for 252 electoral votes, along with Iowa and New Mexico, two states where he appears to be comfortably ahead and would add 12 to his total for 264 (270 is needed to win). But suppose it stops there and every other battleground state tumbles toward McCain - Ohio and Florida, where Obama's leads are fairly narrow, but also Virginia and Colorado, where his leads are larger but not insurmountable. These are, after all, states that are long accustomed to backing the Republican candidate. In this scenario, McCain wins 274-264.
Let's go it one better. Say McCain does manage a victory in Pennsylvania, where his campaign is circulating fliers comparing him to Hillary Clinton, that seductress of the state's oft-limned blue-collar voters. If he did snare that state's 21 electoral votes, McCain could then afford to lose Virginia (13) and Colorado (nine). Still holding Ohio, Florida etc, he would win 273-265.
Let's try one final scenario. Penn-sylvania ends up in the Obama column, as does Colorado. But McCain's pollster has recent spoken of mysterious "internal numbers" showing Iowa (seven votes) to be somewhat up for grabs. So an electoral cocktail that includes Iowa and Virginia but not Pennsylvania or Colorado would give McCain 272 electoral votes and the presidency.
Though mathematically possible, how likely are any of these scenarios?
Throughout this election, I've relied most regularly on the websites RealClearPolitics and fivethirtyeight.com for polling averages, so let's see what they have to say about the margins in these states as of yesterday. In Pennsylvania, both have Obama ahead by 9.8%. Making up 10% in four days would be a remarkable feat, though not unheard of. Obama is six points ahead in Virginia and Colorado, and has a 11% lead in Iowa. Now let's recall that all the above scenarios are possible only if McCain wins Ohio. In what we call the Buckeye state, the websites have Obama ahead by about 5%.
McCain doesn't have a lead in any major poll in any of these states. He would truly need a tsunami to hit that would shift the race in his direction by five to 10 points in the final days - a swing very nearly without precedent.
But still, Obama supporters' emotional continuum runs from cautious to outright neurotic. Liberal election anxiety is grounded in the hard experiences of 2000 and 2004. We tend to assume that any mention by the Republicans of "taxes", "terrorism" and "socialism" will send middle America dashing fearfully into their arms. We suspect that those same Americans will wake next Tuesday morning and say to themselves: "It's just now dawned on me that that fellow is black; I can't possibly vote for him."
The former hasn't happened, and the latter is increasingly implausible. As the days dwindle down to a precious few, as Kurt Weill put it, caution is well-advised. But neurosis would seem to be an indulgence. It's a good thing that the candidate himself doesn't suffer from it
Zogby strikes again, per Sludge. That Obama +7 just wasn't helping with the "tightening" narrative I guess.
Woohoo, Drudge has the new numbers and McCain is beating Obama in 1 day of polling!!!
Finally!
have to comment on the picture of a "mixed" political couple. while i can say i have had friends (yeh i know how that sounds- some of my best friends are...) that are of different political persuasions.
i just cant see me being intimate with someone who has completely different values
ZOGBY HAS MCCAIN AHEAD TOMORROW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
I TOLD YOU LIBS!
MCCAIN LANDSLIDE!!!!!!!!!!
Zogby says in one day of polling (today?) that McCain leads Obama by one point! 48-47.
Looks like you libs better get ready for a president-elect mccain and vp elect palin. ;)
REAGAN COMEBACK!!!
MCCAIN LANDSLIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
darío said...
So, the Zogby tracking tomorrow will be 48-47 McCain.
+8 in 1 day
SUPER MCCAIN SURGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wouldn't worry about a one day sample of 400 people, but overall Obama will still be up in the Zogby poll by 3-4% tomorrow...
hey real joe-
if that poll shows mccain up by one tomorrow will you leave us all alone and in peace?
I fancy Missouri will have the closest result of any state on Tuesday night. Impossible to say who'll come out top.
No dario - those are one day numbers, so it will probably be something like Obama +4 or something like that. Then he'll continue the charade through Monday. Isn't it funny that we should see this wild swing right at the last possible moment, eanbling Zogby to maker this a "dead heat" by election day?
This guy has zero credibility. He's pulling numbers out of his ass and I am convinced that he is just making shit up.
Go STL BLUES!!
Darío said...
So, the Zogby tracking tomorrow will be 48-47 McCain.
No, It will be something like Obama +4 or 5. He's an attention whore playing with the numbers.
Missouri is the Great Predictor. It has been on the side of the winner in every Presidential election but one (1956) since 1904.
livemild said...
hey real joe-
if that poll shows mccain up by one tomorrow will you leave us all alone and in peace?
LOL
why don't you leave me alone ?
wv: crackhead
To repeat from last thread
A Friday night/Halloween combination is a terrible night to poll.
Obama is tied with McCain with anti-social people.
Plus since he has virtually no west coast people, these might not be the actual results.
Then he'll continue the charade through Monday. Isn't it funny that we should see this wild swing right at the last possible moment, eanbling Zogby to maker this a "dead heat" by election day?
What he'll do is look at other polls and magically make his match at the end.
To be fair, Legace openly spoke about his affinity and support of Palin.....
McCain doesn't stand a chance now. We're 4 days out. He would have to chip away at 1 or 2 percentage points a day in each battleground state to even tie Obama. I'm starting to get very hopeful.
By the way, I agree that the national polls now are becoming more and more irrelevant except in relation to a possible take on the popular vote. As the GOP supporters were so fond of pointing out in 2000, the electoral college and not the popular vote is what elects the next President. And Obama has the states' electoral college votes he needs to easily win.
Also, I think the Obama GOTV effort is going to scare the heck out of the Republicans. They have nothing to match that this year, not even close. That combined with early voting is going to make this one heck of a Democratic victory.
I am so proud of our nation. People are being brave and hopeful and voting for change. This will be a very bright future indeed.
God bless the United States of America.
What now libs?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
ARE YOU READY TO SEE THAT FAT "MCCAIN +1" in red font tomorrow? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHA
MCCAIN LANDSLIDE!!! OUR NEXT REAGAN!!!
Remember Nate's post on Zogby? Zogby is sticking with 2004 party weightings.
I'm surprised that he hasn't polled more favorable single days for McCain using that methodology.
What do you bet that if you got a look at Zogby's friday data you'd see a dramatically older sample. Halloween night has got to be the worst night of the year to get a representative sample!
Real Low (oh sorry i meant Joe)-
sorry i upset you Real (my guess is your real name is LLewellyn) just thought you might like your friends over at drudge better than us .
Zogby vote for Obama?
PA Morning Call tracker for tomorrow looks like it will be
O: 52
M: 44
Pretty clear that McCain had a huge day in that poll yesterday. As long as Obama stays in the 51-52 range I'm happy.
Loved the sentence about how Palin beat up on Manny Legace even if it wasn't completely true.
wv: weezeds--gotta be something that can be done with this
Fuck you Zogby...you brought PeteKent back.
I'm not going to worry overly much about that Zogby sample, but I'm also not going to dismiss it out of hand either. It is what it is. If it's a one day blip of bad data, then that's fine. If other pollsters show it too, then it's less fine...
4 more days until this is all over.
darío said...
Zogby vote for Obama?
what ?
Geraldine Ferraro said tonight she is voting for Obama, if anyone cares.
(On PBS/David Barancchio)
vinny said...
Fuck you Zogby...you brought PeteKent back.
pete is back from his brain operation
Fuck you Zogby...you brought PeteKent back.
That's the only thing that worries me.
as to morning call i can take o up by 8 with one weekend to go.
I was trying to decide if that was the PeteKent or the sock puppet, and it seems to be to stupid to be the sock puppet.
sfergus483 said...
Geraldine Ferraro said tonight she is voting for Obama, if anyone cares.
crazy moonbat
Zogby will be the only tracker tomorrow showing movement towards McCain. That's what outlier pollsters do. Drudge cherry picks one poll everyday, so he can whip his Reich wing minions into a frenzy. The devastation this Tuesday night will be more than they can handle. ;-)
its not the real petekent
Well, I'm really trying to imagine a serious conservative comparing McCain to Reagan. Probably is a sock puppet.
WV: ingroop
HAHA libs its over.
McCain is pulling ahead!
SURGE TO VICTORY!
You will have to say "Madame Vice President!"
I CANT WAIT FOR ELECTION NIGHT!!!!!
Well Manny Legace is a Canadian so I doubt he is voting anyway....
petekent just got in from smokin' some more tumbleweed
enjoy the weekend, pk, and get ready for reality
Three days until the end of great news!!! For John MCCAIN!!!... is actually GREAT NEWS!!! For John MCCAIN!!!
re: Pennsylvania it seems to me that McCain has moved up in some polls from the high 30s or low 40s to the mid-40s. But that's his ceiling. Meanwhile Obama has been steady in the 52-53 range. I think he doesn't have anything to worry about in PA, but I wouldn;'t mind seeing another poll or two before election day from someone other than SV or M-D.
Blogger Ed M. said...
"Well, I'm really trying to imagine a serious conservative comparing McCain to Reagan"
Reagan would not be happy with the comparison. He didn't like McCain and he and Nancy quit speaking to him.
Right Wing Conspiricist said...
You will have to say "Madame Vice President!"
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I could, but I think Vice President Biden would not think it was funny.
~FL PUMA, turning FL BLUE, even though the FL state Dem party leaders are corrupt.
WV: coraci - location for new vacation home McCain will buy.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
PA IS NOW SOLID MCCAIN!!
THIS ELECTION IS OVER LIBS! OVER!!!!!!!!!!!
MCCAIN LANDSLIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Watch Maine and New Hampshire libs.
All those Hillary supporters mad at the primary are gonna SURGE FOR MCCAIN/PALIN!!
Do I do a good impression of pete?
You do gotta say this for RWC though, he doesn't know the meaning of the word "fear" or "dead"...or pretty much anything else with more than three letters.
This is not a joke, wv=masta
What RWC can call Barack Hussein Obama after November 5th.
Missouri isn't going to indicate squat. It is what it is. It could very easily go McCain and Obama still get 395 electoral votes. So this bellweather bs is just that.
Even't if it weren't Zogby, it's one day of a multiple day tracker that's +1 McCain and so the tracker itself won't be +1. This protects from weird outliers moving the numbers too much. With a 95% confidence level, even with a well done poll, one in twenty polls will give a number that's off from the actual outside of the margin of error.
It's sad to see posters demonstrating their poor grasp of polling when they could have used this election to actually learn something.
You do gotta say this for RWC though, he doesn't know the meaning of the word "fear" or "dead"...or pretty much anything else with more than three letters.
This is not a joke, wv=masta
What RWC can call Barack Hussein Obama after November 5th.
Drudge: McCain ahead in Vermont tomorrow.
Maybe it's time for John McCain to give James Baker a call. Get him to travel to the crucual state in this election which might cost McCain the presidency. With some cunning talk about "legitamacy", he can surely find a way for McCain to claim victory.
vinny said...
Do I do a good impression of pete?
yes, vinny
good one
Can I just tell you guys how good it feels to get out there and volunteer for Obama. Wow! 4 more days of work and we're there. Be a part of history, not just a spectator! Volunteer today!!
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/statepages
PA was bound to tighten. When you throw every resource you have at it, OF COURSE it's going to move your numbers. Sadly, it won't be enough for McCain.
America will never elect Hussein!
VA RED
NC RED
PA RED
NV RED
IA RED
CO RED
FL RED
NH RED
ME RED
Matt said...
PA Morning Call tracker for tomorrow looks like it will be
O: 52
M: 44
Pretty clear that McCain had a huge day in that poll yesterday. As long as Obama stays in the 51-52 range I'm happy.
Where are you getting this from?
MO RED
and
IN RED!
The Zogby insanity is good for any HINT of overconfidence by any Obama supporter. So thanks Zogby for getting even MORE of us out to the polls this weekend and Tuesday.
p.s. next time, you might want to include the West Coast.
dario, you know you're just giving that asshole more hits with those fake pronouncements.
Isn't it funny how Drudge cherrypicks? Gallup LV traditional was frontpaged when close for McCain; today - no way. Polls come and go depending on how they look for McCain.
Be a part of history, not just a spectator! Volunteer today!!
I burned up three days vacation next week to knock doors and get people to polls in freaking, Gary, Indiana. That's not where I imagined spending my vacation.
Oh my god...that Zogby poll was like catnip for trolls.
"i just cant see me being intimate with someone who has completely different values"
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When I was a single gal, I had a "no Republicans" rule. I just figure our core values would be too different. One of my friends was dumped by a girl because he was Republican. I told him he should have married her because she was clearly a smart chick.
Masufbio. A really long biography.
Mark it down, libs.
PA CLOSES STRONG FOR MCCAIN/PALIN!
After three days of recounts, Pennsylvania is called for MCCAIN/PALIN next Thursday, and WINS THE ELECTION!
http://www.mcall.com/all-pres-widgetlist,0,3165119.htmlstory
yep sure enough 52-44, was 53-43 today
Why does right wing conspiracist keep mentioning ME along with red states? It hasn't gone Republican for 20 years.
Matt said...
PA Morning Call tracker for tomorrow looks like it will be
O: 52
M: 44
Pretty clear that McCain had a huge day in that poll yesterday. As long as Obama stays in the 51-52 range I'm happy.
What happened that would give McCain that kind of bounce? Everybody feeling sorry for him that Joe the Plumber stood him up in the morning?
WV:slasess
Looking at all the numbers I've been seeing the past few weeks, McCain's lockjaw smiley "got them right where he wants them" optimism and "perfectly plausible" scenarios where the Rs win reminds me of OZ the GREAT and POWERFUL in "The Wizard of Oz" or The Cleaners in "Labyrinth."
You have all this grand scary noise and apparent power, but turns out it's just some old dude behind a curtain. Just a clunkety old muppet-powered machine (heck, that's exactly what McCain's volunteer staff and "robocalls" nationwide reminds me of). Just some guy who has failed to engage or attract vast swaths of his own party.
Don't get me wrong. There are plenty of people who are motivated for whatever reason to come out and vote against Sen. Obama. But they're not nearly so motivated to come out and vote for Sen. McCain, imo, and that's really what's going to hurt him Nov. 4.
It's incredibly lame for a pollster to "leak" one day samplers to right-wing blogs to get attention. Either you show your one-day samples or you don't. What a fuc*ing tool.
Hey libs!
PeteKent daily tracker
McCain 50
Hussein 45
CHALK THAT UP WITH ZOGBY SHOWING A MCCAIN LEAD! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
"ARE YOU READY TO SEE THAT FAT "MCCAIN"
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Be nice. Now I know McCain does not have as good of a body as Obama but you should not call him fat. You might make Cindy lose more weight that way.
Buzzlith- The monument of empty beer cans from election night I plan on building as Obama makes history on Tuesday as the first black President!
I don't know which is the better pollster, PeteKent or Zogby. It's like comparing dog crap and horse crap.
Blogger elliv said...
It's incredibly lame for a pollster to "leak" one day samplers to right-wing blogs to get attention. Either you show your one-day samples or you don't. What a fuc*ing tool.
Well, what do you expect? It's the only way that Zogby gets any attention.
I hope everyone who is sane does realize that this was the last day for Zogby to really screw with the numbers to get his last average on monday to be neck and neck. Total garbage.
Doesn't Zogby split his sample so that he can post FIRST!!!!
So the sample should be composed of the later calls on thursday and the earlier calls on friday. And in almost all the trackers Thursday was steady/widening for Obama, so if he got a good sample the late thursday portion should at least be close to in line with previous results- making the move even more improbable. Swing just seems too large to be accurate especially since it partially covers good Obama time.
Blogger Vinny said...
I don't know which is the better pollster, PeteKent or Zogby. It's like comparing dog crap and horse crap.
At least PeteKent has a predictable house lean. Petey, I thought you threw in the towel last night.
Hey libs PA TIGHTENS!
FIVE POINT SWING IN TWO DAYS!!
I wonder what Scarborough will say tomorrow, libs. ;)
"Also, keep in mind that Sarah Palin attacked the Blues starting goalie Manny Legace recently, tripping him on her carpet and then devouring his left knee like a crazed wolverine (note: some of this sentence isn't true). Obama should get a good Legace Bounce."
Made-up adjectives in all the posts aside... this is when you know the guys haven't been getting enough sleep.
progist: A progressive socialist?
What happened that would give McCain that kind of bounce? Everybody feeling sorry for him that Joe the Plumber stood him up in the morning?
Mostly it's undecides breaking to McCain.
vinny,
I was just thinking a few minutes ago that there is a possibility that Matt Drudge is PeteKent.
What happened that would give McCain that kind of bounce? Everybody feeling sorry for him that Joe the Plumber stood him up in the morning?
That was yesterday - the new Morning Call results were for tonight's calls, one news cycle later.
And this is the earliest they've posted - another sign that Halloween screwed things up.
FOlks, relax - all polling tonight is dubious. Halloween is the 3rd biggest holiday of the year in the US after Xmas. It's bigger than New Year's in terms of social activity. And it is a weekend night, so no one can poll during the daytime hours.
All polling today is dubious.
Any smart Republicans out there who believe McCain's got a shot?
If so, here's my question, you believe McCain wins PA I assume?
If he wins PA (I don't think he has a chance), but which of these does he win, and mind you, he has to win one?
Virgnia
Colorado
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Mexico
Iowa
Other Kerry state
Is the Zogby poll the same thing as the Reuters/C-Span/Zogby poll?
I expect to see more "McGains" in the coming weekend.
PA won't get called election night. It will be called three days after the election. McCain will win it and the electoin by >1%.
FLORIDA 2000 ALL OVER AGAIN, LIBS!
WOOOH YEAH BABY!
Polls R Us National Tracker
Obama 53
McCain 45
you know maybe I'm an "elitist" liberal snob, but when I hear Pennsylvania undecideds break to McCain, after everything i've heard about the T in Pennsylvania, I just think what a bunch of racist asshole white trash pieces of shit. Is that so wrong?
"you know maybe I'm an "elitist" liberal snob, but when I hear Pennsylvania undecideds break to McCain, after everything i've heard about the T in Pennsylvania, I just think what a bunch of racist asshole white trash pieces of shit. Is that so wrong?"
HAHAHAHAHA!
Stupid lib. I guess we're "bitter" too!
PA is 3-5% bluer than the rest of the nation. It will stay that way.
On politically mixed couples, when I met my (future) wife she was a Quebec separatist. Her whole family still are. We don't talk much politics when visiting my in laws, but all else goes well. Oh and after about 4 years of living in Ontario my wife changed her mind and is now a federalist. My rantings about ethnic nationalism may have played a role, but considering the intensity of my rantings, they probably worked against my attempt at persuasion...
VA RED
NC RED
PA RED
NV RED
IA RED
CO RED
FL RED
NH RED
ME RED
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BO RED
You could use some work on your trolling techniques.
Galesi. I galesi McCain will be pretty sad next Weds morning.
"On politically mixed couples, when I met my (future) wife she was a Quebec separatist. "
Leave our politics alone, Socialist!
Hey all,
In FL, (I know you all KNOW), I haven't voted yet, either I do tomorrow or I do on Tuesday unless I am dead. Anyway since everyone is up in arms about Florida's vote turn out and it is making me nervous since our numbers look good (in postings) what was the % expected to be of the youth vote? I haven't done my homework, I just sit here all day waiting for new comments or threads or numbers. Thanks!
paryp-gonna paryp my drinks to be super happy on Tuesday
We should probably at least wait for the trackers tomorrow before we start making assumptions, but it seems Halloween = bad day.
RWC is really into the spray paint tonight. You might see a seventy-five foot Jesus made out of marshmallow doing that, but it's about as likely as your PA fantasy.
Y'all calm down. It's a blip.
You have no clue what the 3 day number is and how it compares to other trackers, so why even care? When people exult about stuff like this, it shows how little they know about polling.
"PA is 3-5% bluer than the rest of the nation. It will stay that way."
So the nation is tied? Say goodbye to CO, NV, VA, NC, FL, MO, AND OH!! HAHAHAHAH!!!!
Stupid libtard
Wait for Rendell and the Philly mayor to "tamp down" turnout in revenge for Hillary, too.
MCCAIN SURGE!
FOlks, relax - all polling tonight is dubious. Halloween is the 3rd biggest holiday of the year in the US after Xmas. It's bigger than New Year's in terms of social activity. And it is a weekend night, so no one can poll during the daytime hours.
I was joking. Nothing has happened this polling cycle that would move the polls that much.
some people here are trailer trash
Stupid lib. I guess we're "bitter" too!
and outnumbered and fucked.
As far as the PA results go, you do realize that as long as Obama is at 51 or 52, it doesn't matter what McCain's number is, don't you?
Blogger Eric said...
you know maybe I'm an "elitist" liberal snob, but when I hear Pennsylvania undecideds break to McCain, after everything i've heard about the T in Pennsylvania, I just think what a bunch of racist asshole white trash pieces of shit. Is that so wrong?
The undecideds won't break for McCain.
One thing the networks always overlook, is that Kansas City and St. Louis City/County always report votes last-thats why they mistakenly called the Primary here for Clinton--they figured 90% of the precincts reported so they called it. But you can never call MO untill STL city and county report. I expect this to happen again on election night. Seems to happen every election--don't project MO untill STL reports!
Poor ickle Boomshak @ Pollster.com got bumped so he came here.
Interesting split personality fond of the term 'libs' Strange why 3, 4 trolls would chose the same zzz enducing putdown.
uh do 'we' sign in, sign out. Or have IE & Firefox open at once? or Safari? Opera?
Look FakeKent is just a bad actor. The other real version has him fooled due to his HEARTin' all things HRC shee-it. Real Pete's a Dem, a Judas Dem but one nonetheless.
zzzzz
anbruch said...
PA Morning Call tracker for tomorrow looks like it will be
O: 52
M: 44
What happened that would give McCain that kind of bounce? Everybody feeling sorry for him that Joe the Plumber stood him up in the morning?
Well, the Phillies had a huge parade this afternoon that took hundreds of thousands of Pennsylvanians away from their phones...and tonight is Halloween.
Perhaps because of Halloween they polled only during the day, and numbers were skewed due to the big parade in Philadelphia.
Lets put an end to the whole "tightening polls are good for Obama" meme. If anything the effect is a wash. Can just as easily discourage Obama supporters, particularly in states where he is behind. And it can possibly further energize the other side.
Frankly Im not buying the whole complacency thing. I think there is enough paranoia about election fraud and bradley effect to counteract. Bottom line, I dont think there are many Obama supporters who are less likely to vote due to positive poll results.
And that includes "young voters". If they are gonna vote, they are gonna vote regardless of what the polls say.
If McCain can get it to 48, and Obama is 52, the Bradley Effect will make it virtually tied.
"If the election for President were held today would you vote for the Communist Party USA ticket of Barack Hussein Obama and Joe Biden, or the Republican ticket of John Patriot McCain and Sarah Palin or another candidate?"
McCain - 50
Hussein - 45
Other - 2
Undecided - 3
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
"You might see a seventy-five foot Jesus made out of marshmallow doing that,"
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Yummy.
Danda. I got nothing, which is strange because it seems like it should be an easy one. Anyone have any suggestions?
Vinny said...
"I don't know which is the better pollster, PeteKent or Zogby. It's like comparing dog crap and horse crap."
Well, now, Vinny, yas gots to consider, horses are vegetarians and dogs omnivores. Horseshit makes for far better fertilizer for that reason alone.
wv fulasth - the sound of a half-cooked pancake hitting the floor.
Did you see the Arnold rally in Ohio today?
CLINCHED OHIO FOR MCCAIN!
Just like it did for BUSH four years ago!
I remember in the primary the polls started closing in Ohio and Texas the weekend before the primaries were held.
Obama LOST BIG! LOL!
Re. politically mixed couples - when it comes to electoral politics, my husband and I are both pretty cynical, pretty liberal, and totally lacking in party loyalty, but I'm a feminist and he is not. I don't think it matters that much - just leads to more interesting pillow talk, imo :P
Can we please ignore Right Wing Constipation?
LOL
It's incredible that in the year 2008 the networks still managed to screw up Missouri in the primaries, calling it for Clinton.
Thanks for the explanation, Bill.
PeteKent said...
"If the election for President were held today would you vote for the Communist Party USA ticket of Barack Hussein Obama and Joe Biden, or the Republican ticket of John Patriot McCain and Sarah Palin or another candidate?"
Reword:
Blogger PeteKent said...
"If the election for President were held today would you vote for the Communist Party USA ticket of Barack Hussein Obama and Joe Biden, or the freedom-loving Republican ticket of John Patriot McCain and Sarah Palin or another candidate?"
How do the big national trackers adjust for the final poll on Monday?
Do they just use the three-day rolling average? Or do they adjust for what they have seen over a longer period?
I would think Halloween screams outlier simply because it is tough to get a hold of people.
Anyone know how the final poll number is done by Ras or Gallup? Anything different?
"If McCain can get it to 48, and Obama is 52, the Bradley Effect will make it virtually tied."
___________________________________
If McCain can make it to 52 and Obama stays at 52, then the magical math effect will make it tied at 104%.
Ersos. Still nothing. I think I have punner's block.
For some reason my posts aren't showing up. Trying again:
I have a baaaaad feeling about PA. The Morning Call lead has now contracted 5 points in just two days. That's a lot for a 5-day tracker, no?
With the crappy Strategic Vision poll that came out Friday, I'm worried.
And Zogby's shift is troubling.
I hope the theory that we can blame all this on Halloween holds water, but I have to admit being nervous (since that doesn't help with Morning Call's 3-point contraction the day before).
I CAN'T TAKE THIS SHIT.
And, Dario--please stop making stuff up---it seems to keep coming true!
RWC - iirc, the Texas primary was damn near tied, with a very narrow win going to Clinton, and the caucus the same evening was an Obama win by a much wider margin, so Obama walked away from Texas with most of the elected delegates. So tight polls are GREAT NEWS!!!! for Barack Obama.
Beamann,
Drink a bottle of NyQuill and come back Tuesday.
And, Dario--please stop making stuff up---it seems to keep coming true!
Dario is John Zogby.... developing...
"The Morning Call lead has now contracted 5 points in just two days."
...umm, where do you see this? I see the following:
http://www.muhlenberg.edu/studorgs/polling/documents/trackingpollquestions10-30.pdf
Brian Adams, a mathematics and computer science professor at Franklin & Marshall College, reports that there's a 99.98% chance that Sen. Barack Obama will win the presidential election on Tuesday.
Adams has developed a simulation model that involves running 50 million simulated state-by-state races, using the late-October poll results for each state. He ran his simulation 50 million times to allow him to calculate all the different combinations of electoral votes that might result, even long shots. While the number of possible outcomes is very large, the result is always the same. Obama receives 270 or more electoral votes 99.98% of the time. Using intervals of electoral vote results, there is a 95 percent chance that the outcome will have Obama winning between 303 and 381 electoral votes.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/10/31/simulation_shows_obama_will_win.html
"kirby96 said...
"The Morning Call lead has now contracted 5 points in just two days."
...umm, where do you see this? I see the following:
http://www.muhlenberg.edu/studorgs/polling/documents/trackingpollquestions10-30.pdf"
For some reason the Muhlenberg site didn't update at all on Friday, so you are seeing the data that they released Thursday, which had O up by 13. Friday's number was O53-M43. Apparently, the Saturday number is going to be O52-M44. You have to go to Morning Call's website to see that.
Is it legal to run campaign ads on election day in the US? It is illegal here in Canada.
wv "ruidiv" Belorussian transliteration of Guiliani's first name...
beamman said...
For some reason my posts aren't showing up. Trying again:
I have a baaaaad feeling about PA. The Morning Call lead has now contracted 5 points in just two days. That's a lot for a 5-day tracker, no?
You've got to ask yourself what the mechanism for the change might be? It's always possible that it's real, of course, but in the lieu of something compelling it's more likely to be a product of an outlier, a sampling error, or a change in methodology.
Personally, I think the pollsters are looking for tightening and for the undecideds to break for McCain so that's what they are finding.
Dave Brodbeck
Ads on election day are legal as is campaigning by the candidates. There used to be an unwritten tradition of ending the campaign the night before but that has gone by the boards. Ads sometimes stay on the air right up until the polls close.
It is legal to run ads on election day in the US.
No one used to do it, but it has become more common in recent years, particularly on radio.
I think we're kidding ourselves if we think McCain won't get the lion's share of undecideds. There may not be a "Bradley Effect" in the strict sense of voters lying to pollsters and voting the other way, but you have to assume that the bulk of "undecideds", especially in places like the PA "T", are uncomfortable with voting for a black guy, but haven't yet found a legitimate way to say they are supporting McCain. Eventually, though, such folks will either vote McCain or not vote at all.
Um, half of 538's writing staff has horrible writing skills. (Hint: I'm not talking about Nate.) Thanks, Missouri.
WV: ORMONNES, as in: When she loses, Sarah Palin's ORMONNES are going to kick in and make her cry.
OK, another question, can you wear a partisan button or t shirt to a poll? I remember voting in 88 and the person from Elections Canada said I had to take off my button.
Me "It is not political"
Her "Let me see it" (small print on the button, and she was rather old, the poll I voted at was in an old folks home)
Me "Really, it will probably offend you, I swear it is apolitical"
Her "I have to see it"
So she leans over and reads the button on my jacket, it said "fuck you, ask here for details"
She gave me my ballot and I went and voted...
OK, another question, can you wear a partisan button or t shirt to a poll?
The U.S. is weird in that states and local government cover those sorts of rules. It's probably a bad idea but the legality could actually come down to a city level of laws.
Right right, I forgot that, it is a state matter, damn, and I got an A+ in US history in grade 13, then again, that was 1984..
Screw Montreal. Je n'aime pas les habitants.
Lets Go Sharks!
Drunkninja said...
Obama's making a campaign stop tomorrow in Springfield, MO. I'm going to try to attend, should be a fun time.
We're going to be there, too. Not sure why he's having an event in a liberal bastion in the least liberal portion of the state. It could be optimism, or it could just be on his way from somewhere to somewhere else.
PeteKent, I hope you burn in hellfire for all eternity.
Well, the Phillies had a huge parade this afternoon that took hundreds of thousands of Pennsylvanians away from their phones...and tonight is Halloween.
Not just Pennsylvanians. Philadelphians. That's a big base of support for BHO. Half of the state doesn't care for the Phillies.
Sean, let me give you some hope.
I have family in Missouri, though I am living in California. My daughter and her husband and my ex-husband are still there in a small town called Kissee Mills, not far from Branson and definitely in Republican country... or, rather, in Evangelical country.
But they have converted 4 people to Obama votes in the past 6 months. It doesn't sound like much, but it is (as you know) a land of older, very white, very Christian people with church signs telling you how to vote.
Tomorrow, my daughter and family are going to Springfield to see Obama. They are excited.
Those 4 that were converted were men, all over 50 and either farmers or ranchers. I think that bodes well and that Missouri WILL go blue.
Mainer said...
Why does right wing conspiracist keep mentioning ME along with red states? It hasn't gone Republican for 20 years.
Maine does some vote-splitting thing (like... Nebraska, is it?), so those two states have little boxes on them in the projection map.
Are any of the actual rightwing/puma posters actually here anymore, or are they all just trolls?
wr: The GOP (Party) may yet be an ex-party; dessesse-d; bereft of life....
wr mark2: ofershor (PALIN INVADING THE MACHINE?)
SEAN
PLEASE come to the current thread & vanquish the sock pupper 'petekent'
he has been infesting the threads for days & posting non-stop blather in a vile way while posing as the 'real PeteKent...
beyond annoying IMHO
Dave Brodbeck, if you live in Virginia, you cannot wear any political gear to a polling place. If the poll workers are doing their jobs correctly, they will just ask you to put a jacket on over it or turn your shirt inside out or put your pin in your pocket, then let you vote. You can hand out political literature, but you must be a certain number of feet from the door of the polling place (can't remember how far). You can also carry a sample Democratic or Republican ballot into the polling place with you.
I don't know about other states.
BTW, I voted today in Leesburg, VA, stood in line about an hour. Nearly everyone was smiling, polite, and patient. One dickhead yelled "Use your brain, vote McCain" as he walked out. He got half his wish.
McCain lost this campaign a year ago, when Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter said they would rather vote for Hillary than McCain. He had to go crawling to W. for an endorsement, which provided Obama with all the ammunition he needed. All further pandering to the Republican base just increased the size of McCain's hole.
12-16 years in the wilderness may give the Republican base a clue: STFU and allow your nominee to move toward the center. That's what liberals did with Clinton, and it worked.
By the way, read the new post. Zogby has messed up party ID distribution, and one-day poll results are extremely volatile, with huge margins of error. This poll is clearly an outlier, too. 8 points difference in one day? Please. That's ridiculous.
If the kids don't turn out to vote this election, I'm gonna shank a bitch. Srsly.
WHO CARES ABOUT MIDTERMS; THE CURVES WILL SAVE YOU ALL~!
wv: cultight
Speaking of the bipartial couple, I'm thinking about dating a self-described "moderate Republican."
Pick-up line: "Hey, I'm a moderate Republican, too! In fact, I'm so moderate, I'm a liberal Democrat."
If James Carville can make it work, why not? Sometimes he pisses ME off, and I have to remind myself he's on our side.
spreedis: The spreedis now so big McCain can't make up the difference.
Sitting at an Obama projection of 0.1% today, Missouri is truly the median state of the 2008 election, and it could go either way.
C'mon Nate, I know you know that's not what median means! Missouri is 29th best for Obama right now (counting DC). The median would be 26th, and that's Nevada.
Come to think of it, it's pretty impressive that Obama is likely to win a majority of states, given that Bush won 30 each of the past two times.
Where by "Nate", I clearly mean "Sean".
I think "leans democratic" is a weird way to describe the gubernatorial race since Nixon is probably a 100% statistical lock to win.
I live in St Louis County and can only say that I walk in Kirkwood and Chesterfield and have NEVER seen so many Democratic signs. Been walking in downtown Kirkwood for 13 years and in each election cycyle that I remember, I'd see a couple of Dem. signs. I'll bet 40 percent of the signs I see over there now are for Obama-Biden. Same for the neighborhood where I live in Chesterfield. More Dem signs than ever seen. Hope this bodes well for Obama/Biden.
Now, if only Todd Akin, world's WORST House Member would go away. Not this time, I'm sure, but someone will be emboldened to run against this creep.
The Blues look good this season, much improvement over last year.
Here in Detroit, we may not have luxuries like "money" or "jobs", but at least we have our Red Wings.
So you in StL can keep your "functioning economy". We win titles. And what's more important, really: feeding your children or a Stanley Cup?
(we do still root for Manny, though)
Hey Sean--You know the area, so consider this. I drove down the stretch of McKnight Rd between Clayton and Litzinger the other day (this is in the heart of the Republican part of St. Louis County) and there were nothing but Obama signs. Four years ago this was all Bush. In my community, Webster Groves, Obama signs outnumber McCain by at least 2 to 1. Webster used to be a Republican haven. The county is going blue. Will it go Big Blue? Also, the absentee voting lines in the county are jammed, with hundreds of young African American men waiting hours to cast their vote.
Hey Nate: First time commenter, long time reader.
Just wanted to let you know that last night I was sitting at home in Portland, Oregon, decided I had nothing else to do this weekend, and booked plane tickets to Kansas City to volunteer for Obama in Missouri.
I've never volunteered in politics before, but I figured now is the time. I'm sitting in Denver airport waiting for my connection to Kansas City.
I have a friend I'm crashing with, she's a lawyer getting trained as a poll judge. Other than that, I'm just gonna show up and see what happens. Keep up the great work, everyone. Do your part.
If there's anyone in KC who can direct me and my friend where to show up and help, feel free to email me at (this username)@gmail.com
Hello?! Columbia? You can't jump from KC to StL without at least mentioning the University of Missouri in the middle of the state. Obama was just here on Thursday. Jeez
States considered Swing States at one point or another Projection:
(somewhat difficult because we don't now exactly whose name appears as third part candidates in each state. I'm in texas. Bob Barr is on te ballot, Nader is not.)
National Obama +4.9%
Kerry Blue States
Oregon Obama +13
Washington Obama +12
Michigan Obama +11
Wisconsin Obama +10
Minnesota Obama +10
Maine district 2 Obama +9
New Hampshire Obama +9
Pennsylvania Obama +7
Bush Red States
New Mexico Obama +12
Iowa Obama +10
Nevada Obama +10
Virginia Obama +8
Colorado Obama +7
Ohio Obama +5
Florida Obama +4
North Carolina Obama +2
Missouri Tied (within 1 point)
Georgia Tied (within 1 point)
Indiana McCain +2
North Dakota McCain +3
Arizona McCain +3
Mississippi McCain +3
Montana McCain +4
Louisiana McCain +5
Omaha McCain +6
Tennessee McCain +7
West Virginia McCain +7
Arkansas McCain +8
Obama wins between 349-375 electoral votes
Popular vote
Obama 51.4
McCain 46.5
Barr 1.2
Nader 0.8
Mckinney 0.1
59 Dem Senators (including Liberman and Sanders)
You're a Bitter Bitch Blues Fan?
Poor bastard.
Go Missouri! Even in the so-called liberal Clayton, Mcain-Palin signs dot our neighborhood while Obama signs still dominiate - but it's no landslide. Columbia can sometimes be counted to go with us (those Mizzou folks) but those rural Missouri people are intense.
Sean, I didn't realize you are a MO native too...knew there was a reason I liked your sense of humor.
Though, I have to say I'm more of a KC than SL girl, and not so much hockey. Sorry....:) Loved the MO analysis, it was spot on, especially down to the red/blue areas, (I grew up in Sullivan Co., up in Northeast MO, very red, but certiainly in the 'ee' part of the state, not the 'uh' part of the state.
And here's to a fine, Missouri public education, (only six years for me though). I have to admit, I did eventually get my degree at UCLA though, not MU.
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