10.19.2008

Road to 270: Kansas

Tonight we continue our Road to 270 series with the Sunflower State, Kansas.

WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH Kansas? If you're a Republican, nothing. If you're a Democrat, you look at the only four items that Kansas ranks in the top or bottom ten of states in our data: (1) high Bush 2004 margin; (2) high (50%) self-identifying Republicans; (3) low Obama fundraising; and (4) low Democratic self-identification. Despite some splitting in Republican Party ranks between moderates and strong conservatives that allowed Kathleen Sebelius to get elected twice, those numbers tell the story in a nutshell.

Key Demographics



Note: Factors colored in red can generally be thought to help McCain. Factors in blue can generally be thought to help Obama. Factors in purple have ambiguous effects. Except where otherwise apparent, the numbers next to each variable represent the proportion out of each 100 residents in each state who fall into that category. Fundraising numbers reflect dollars raised in the 2008 campaign cycle per eligible voter in each state. Figures for seniors and youth voters are proportions of all residents aged 18+, rather than all residents of any age. The figure for education reflects the average number of years of completed schooling for all adults aged 25+. The figure for same-sex households reflects the number of same-sex partner households as a proportion of all households in the state. The liberal-conservative index is scaled from 0 (conservative) to 100 (liberal), based on a Likert score of voter self-identification in 2004 exit polls. The turnout rates reflect eligible voters only. Unemployment rates are current as of June 2008.

What McCain Has Going For Him

Although Kansas doesn't feature many dramatics in the statistical rankings relative to other states, by and large most of the categories shade toward the Republican. Sociologically, Kansas owns a little more guns and is a little less hospitable for same-sex couples as well as has more Walmarts. On the religious scale, Kansas has more white evangelicals than most states, but fewer Catholics and more Mormons, which trend toward Republican historical voting patterns. Unemployment is relatively low, it's more male, has a high number of elderly voters, and McCain's fundraising almost equaled Obama's here.

What Obama Has Going For Him

Barack Obama has roots in Kansas, and its popular Governor, Kathleen Sebelius, is one of Obama's staunchest surrogates. Education rates are relatively high in Kansas, and aside from the structurally crippling partisan self-identification imbalance, not much appears in the numbers to denote Kansas as a state that should automatically go Republican. Similar to Nebraska in its congressional seat geography, Kansas features an older, western 3/4 of the state that comprises two very red House districts. But in the eastern quarter of the state, like Nebraska, Democrats have a competitive shot. Barack Obama won't win Kansas, but it will not be his worst state by any stretch.

What To Watch For

Kansas is safe for McCain and none of the statewide races occur until 2010, so all the action is in the House, where Nancy Boyda's freshman defense occurs in KS-02. Danny Manning and the Miracles took the title in 1988, and Nancy Bodya and the Miracles led the way for upset victories in 2006. Boyda will probably win re-election in this equally strong wave climate, but it's the closest race Kansans (Hoosiers?) have to offer. Otherwise watch Kansas try to stay good in college football; it's really cute.

198 comments

Real Joe said...

Nice !

thanks Sean

Real Joe said...



McCain: A Loss Wouldn't Devastate Me

Speaking on "Fox News Sunday," the GOP nominee says he believes his campaign is gathering "enthusiasm and momentum," and expects a late night Nov. 4.

But asked if he could "live with" losing the race, responds: "Oh sure... I've got a wonderful life. I have to go back and live in Arizona and be in the United States Senate representing them, and with a wonderful family, and daughters and sons that I'm so proud of, and a life that's been blessed...."

Erin Halfelven said...

Jayhawks. Hoosiers are from Indiana.

newsfromOH said...

Speaking on "Fox News Sunday," the GOP nominee says he believes his campaign is gathering "enthusiasm and momentum," and expects a late night Nov. 4.


He's old. "Late" is 7 PM, after the early bird dinner.

Darkaardvark said...

McCain's comment shows that he isn't fighting for the presidency with the same urgency that Obama is- the 'fierce urgency of now.' How can we hand the offce to someone who doesn't believe that his help isn't really needed?

PeteKent said...

Powell – Palin ‘12


The Republican Party has for too long been the captives of the Neo-Cons, the former foreign policy experts of the Democratic Party who moved right following the debacle of the Carter years and essentially cornered the argument on foreign policy for the Republicans, leaving the Democrats as the party of weakness and appeasement.

Iraq came and leveled the playing field and now the Democratic Party is left with the task of building an activist foreign policy at the presidential level that cannot rely on criticism as its raison d’être.

What Barack Obama clearly intends is not so clear. It will be fascinating as political science to watch his foreign policy unfold in real time, but since his viewpoint has been effectively without intellectual leadership for 30 years, it is not surprising, but to all it should be frightening. If we are about to see a shift in the world order, I wonder if the people are prepared for it. I suspect they cannot even conceive it.

With McCain, you are deceptively told you will get more of the same. McCain has an entirely different view of military engagement and economic matters that is first and foremost predicated on assuring the achievement of objectives. Bush was much more of a dice roller. McCain was out in front in terms of improved tactics and it is a tactic that has brought us to Victory.

Victory. With or without Colin Powell.

Let’s face it: Powell is a distraction from the real issue in the campaign, the one raised by a VOTER, Joe The Plumber, who questioned the bona fides of Obama’s tax policy, especially as it applies to small businesspeople. Obama blurted out:

``It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance.'' Concluded Obama: ``I think when you spread the wealth around it's good for everyone.''

“Spread the Wealth Around.” Obama then followed up that beauty with a “more spending is the answer to every problem” Domestic Policy.

We finally have a real issue to talk about: Tax and Spend Liberalism vs. Fiscal Conservatism.

With that much to talk about, why talk about Powell?

The record on who Powell is and what was the basis for his accomplishments or lack thereof is not yet written. I am beginning to believe he is a politician. A brilliant one.

Powell may yet assure Obama’s election – I doubt his will be an impact that can be measured, but he will get credit for re-assuring the Nation about Obama and for this he will be further enshrined as an Iconic Figure.

If Obama fails, Powell’s balanced endorsement, that was based more on character than policy or record, can be easily minimized in the wreckage of an Obama Presidency.

Powell could then sweep in as the real “John McCain” – the military guy with dimensionality and a neutralizing demographic background, a clam, dignified man with the intellect to lead like a proper Republican.

Powell – Palin ‘12

quantman said...

BEST QUOTE OF THE DAY from highly respected David Gergen, who has worked for both Republican and Democratic Presidents:

On ABC News "This Week", talking about the Economic and Financial Crisis:

The Republicans came into power in 2000 as Social Conservatives and they are now leaving as Conservative Socialists.

Congratulations to President-Elect McCain!!! said...

Colin Powell's endorsement of Obama is WONDERFUL NEWS!!! For John McCain!!!

Darío said...

Powell is socialist?

Eric said...

anyone seen internals on NBC/Mason-Dixon's Ohio poll?

Frida1980 said...

About Obama's fundraising total and the timing of the announcement.

The irony about Obama's grassroot fundraising is that there is NO DEFENCE for it. If you attack Obama, people will donate. If he surges, people donate. The move coverage the election gets, the more donations he accrues. It's a shame the McCain camp didn't realize this before they went negative.

The timing of the fundraising announcement was PERFECT. Just before Collin Powell, which would dominate the News Cycle. This allowed Obama to avoid negative criticism about his numbers and losing new donations. It is now a positive blimp on what is a great news day for Obama.

Real Joe said...



Minn.'s Bachmann dials down Obama criticism

Link

gougef said...

Colin Powell's endorsement of Obama is WONDERFUL NEWS!!! For John McCain!!!

October 19, 2008 11:46 AM
Blogger Darío said...

Powell is socialist?
------------------------------------------

By the end of the day, he'll be a Muslim terrorist and anti-American.

Joko said...

PeteKent:

Powell is the antithesis of Sarah Palin. He will never, ever, be affiliated with that asshole.

Real Joe said...



Newt Gingrich: Pres. Obama would be like Wright

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14723.html

newsfromOH said...

"And McCain challenged Wallace’s assertion that Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin had become “a drag” on the GOP ticket.

“As a cold political calculation, I could not be more pleased,” McCain said, calling Palin “a direct counterpoint to the liberal feminist agenda for America” and asserting “she’s the best thing that could have happened to my campaign and to America.”


I am speechless . . . This could be the most ridiculous statement second only to "The fundamentals of the economy are strong"

sfergus483 said...

The sad reality is that the McCain campaign will use Powell's endorsement to push its major under the surface theme - that Obama is black, and thus he is untrustworthy.

Do I think it will work? No. But it's all they have.

Adrian said...

PeteKent, why do you say that Powell is not a voter?

"Joe the Plumber" would be better off under Obama, but really I'm sick of him. There are 300 million other Americans that count, 95% of them will get a tax cut under Obama which is probably why McCain can't find another voter to talk about.

Will said...

God, there are So Many small boring red states and every time I think you've finished writing about them, there's another one left.

hi ho said...

"It's really cute" hahahaha -- come on now -- how many schools have both interesting football and basketball!? Maybe it is a new tradition at KU. (and Obama is sure to carry that part of the state, at least)

Lawrence, KS. a very nice place to live.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

2much2lose said...

Maybe a major Newspaper in Kansas will endorse Obama too. Like most of the Red Sate newspapers are doing.

Look what Salt Lake Tribune said:

More than any single factor, McCain's bad judgment in choosing the inarticulate, insular and ethically challenged Palin disqualifies him for the presidency.

Hey PeteCan't, put that in you delusional pipe and smoke it.

jen said...

Psst... you don't wanna mistake the Jayhawks for the Hoosiers... Kansas fans are serious people.

Now, when are you going to write about the big Powell endorsement?

Matthew H said...

I dunno if Gergen's well respected, but that is funny. On the line of the "2/3 of the country believes John McCain is running a negative campaign. John McCain just spent 90 minutes trying to convince the other third".

Saw Michelle Obama in a speech last week...started with the Pledge of Alliegience, with the "under God" line. Then had somesort of priestess/rabbi/Wiccan/somebody do a blessing(of a speech?!). Funny stuff. They then had some volunteers, and then Tim Waltz.

And then, to introduce Ms. Obama, they had Dorothy the Baker. Dorothy explained that, due to the high medical expenses, she's going to have to eliminate medical care for all of her employees if McCain is elected. Good luck to them, and all that. After all, she gets taxed under the McCain plan. Her employees get the credit. Net result- no reason for the employer to keep the plan.

For her young employees who have healthy kids, they'll be fine. Heck, they may be better off with the tax credit. Or, like I will, I'll cancel all medical insurance, keep the five grand, and if a real medical emergency occurs leave the taxpayers on the hook.

For her older employees, or those with sick kids, they're screwed. No insurance company will take them at a price they can afford. Guess they'll use Medicaid.

About as bad a plan as you can imagine, and yet why does nobody talk about it?

As far as Kansas goes, I still dream it'll go Blue if we have a a blowout. Then all we need is Arizona for an East-West Corridor.

Joko said...

I didn't hear McCain speak about Simon this morning with Chris Wallace.

joel said...

when are these cable shows going to drop the pretense that Mccain can win. There is no electoral way for him to get to 270 without a devine intervention.
I would love to see a landslide but would be satisfied with 270 electoral votes.Obama cannot lose as far as I can tell but it may be a lot closer than I want.I expect him to win no problem.

markymark said...

PK,

I know the GOP has a record of nominating old guys, but Colin Powell will be 75 in 2012. And its tough to run against a guy you endorsed in 4 years time. Now leave the Powell for President thing alone.


On the money announcement, actually quite smart timing I think now. Got some news coverage, but not a major news cycle all to itslef. Doesn't make Obama look greedy. Incidentally i read somewhere that the average donation to the Obama campaign in that $150 million was $85. WOW. Now thats a base. And if you have given money, you are going to go and vote. (Maybe some who have voted already, might even want to do more and donate more!)

And on Kansas, its one state that might be worth keeping half an eye on on November 4th. An unlikely Obama win maybe, but given his personal roots, given a sense of history, given a high AA turnout, it could be an upset win for Obama.

PeixeGato said...

Blogger newsfromOH said...

"And McCain challenged Wallace’s assertion that Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin had become “a drag” on the GOP ticket.

“As a cold political calculation, I could not be more pleased,” McCain said, calling Palin “a direct counterpoint to the liberal feminist agenda for America” and asserting “she’s the best thing that could have happened to my campaign and to America.”


I am speechless . . . This could be the most ridiculous statement second only to "The fundamentals of the economy are strong"


Actually, he makes some sense here. With Palin, McCain has an easy scape-goat that the media will be quick to parrot. Of course, he nominated her, but logic rarely has much of a place in politics.

hi ho said...

agree completely with markymark - 150 mill last month plus Colin Powell. One thing about Kansans - they really like a winner!

That and they are very pro-education and have a long-standing tradition of outstanding public school education at all levels.

I know I'm dreaming, but I would love to believe there are enough Kansas cousins out there to turn it blue.

NC moderate said...

Watching Powell's endorsement helped to rebuild my faith in America. Yet another prominent Republican criticized the bigoted campaign being waged by the GOP. Powell's story of the soldier who gave his life for this country who happened to be Muslim will go far to combat the mantra "All Muslims are terrorists" that the GOP has been spreading.

Powell singled Palin out by name as not being ready to be President, as has many other Republicans, as well as how she marked a pronounced shift to the Right for the GOP. I suspect that her career in politics will short, but I have been wrong before.

Further, Powell pointed out what we all knew in how McCain had no idea in how to approach a economic crisis.

I suspect that the McCain campaign will ignore Powell's criticism about the tone and content of their campaign as hate and lies is all the pathetic McCain campaign has left.

When a distinguished general such as Colin Powell criticizes the manner and substance of your campaign, it is impossible to believe McCain when he says,"Country First."

Lincoln said...

Video of Powell endorsing Obama

He gives quite the smack down of McCain and the neocons imho. Damn.

Chi said...

Gallup says:

O52
M42

Alek said...

Basketball is where it's at in Kansas...any football success is just gravy

It won't turn blue...but after the whole state school board debacle and the hiring of Corky as state eduction commissioner, I have to believe that people are beginning to see the right-wing nut jobs for what they are...right-wing nut jobs.

PA John said...

GALLUP:

RV -
O-52,M-42

LV1 -
O-51 M-44

LV2 -

O-49 M-46

kellysirkus said...

We're Not in Kansas Anymore!

arjuna74 said...

Watch Kareen Rashad Sultan Khan replace Joe the Plumber in the next media cycle.

Chi said...

More from Gallup:

LV (Expanded)
O51
M44

LV (Traditional)
O49
M46

Ted said...

Sean, you write that none of the statewide races occur until 2010, but former Congressman Jim Slattery is running against Sen. Roberts this year...

markymark said...

full gallup results

One that matters O52 M42

expanded LV O 51 M 44

traditional LV O 49 M 46

All trending today in Obama's direction.

Kurt said...

Kansas for Obama!

I admit my time will be better spent driving to Kansas City, MO and GingOTV there.

kellysirkus said...

Drudge falsely quotes Powell as saying he could not handle 2 more REPUBLICAN appts to SCTOUS.
I believe his word was "CONSERVATIVE"

Matt is Losing it!

hi ho said...

NC Moderate is right.

Colin Powell elevates the conversation to a level Americans can be proud of. If only we had more of this kind of dialogue. Republicans should use him as an example of how to regroup after this election.

They could possibly rebuild their party by focusing on the question: What would Colin Powell do?

PA John said...

Gallup confirms that rumors of a McCain surge have been greatly exaggerated.

PeteKent said...

No Stake Through Her Heart

Palin will be on everyone's short list for VP next time -- maybe even some Dems.

She has a constituency that is perhaps 30 to 40% of the electorate and she is capable of moving out of that box.

In typical short sightedness, the Dems and the Media attacked her on her intelligence -- her experience was secondary since it was a draw with Obama's. They minimized the personal and policy defects in order to concentrate on the less nuanced aspects of her background and character. Positively Rovian.

You had better hope you have killed her. Palin will take advantage of four more years of study and application in her return to the national stage.

Ronald Reagan did not have a more auspicious debut. Peggy Noonan will be so proud.

SHERWICK said...

so, Obama up 10 BEFORE the Powell endorsement. Oh dear.

Matt W said...

So far today...
Obama gains 1 in Ras
No change in Hotline
Obama gains 2 in Gallup RV
Obama gains 3 in Gallup LVe
Obama gains 1 in Gallup LVt

Perhaps the most important...
Obama gains the endorsement of Colin Powell!

Toss in record breaking crowds in MO yesterday and record breaking fundraising...

and McCain claims he has the "momentum"... hmmm

KIC said...

Took a peek at Fox comments under the Powell story. Oh yeah, everyone is spinning "it's race, of course he would, Traitor etc etc etc" How pathetic.

Vinny said...

Expect Obama to surge in Gallup in the next 2 days. Not only because of the Powell endorsement, but because Thursday and Friday will drop off Gallup's average.

PeteKent said...

“As a cold political calculation, I could not be more pleased,” McCain said, calling Palin “a direct counterpoint to the liberal feminist agenda for America” and asserting “she’s the best thing that could have happened to my campaign and to America.”


This is Palin's power.

politicalcynic said...

McCain actually said "“liberal feminist agenda for America?” (sorry-I was watching Colin Powell make a brilliant argument for Obama this morning)

What the he** is the "liberal feminist agenda"?

Political "actually betting Obama at 272 EVs-much to my amazement" Cynic

newsfromOH said...

Still attempting to read tea leaves here in OH, acknowledging and praying that this state should be irrelevant.

Endorsements for Obama so far in Dayton, Toledo, Cleveland and Akron (possibly Canton as well since I read a reference to it but couldn't find solid source material)

For Mc: Columbus and not yet released but in the bag Cincy (which we should just give to Kentucky)

Only "big" one left is Youngstown.

If Editors and Publishers is to be believed, this would indicate that O should eventually carry the state . . .

Aunt Karen said...

From the NYT Blogs on Khan:

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/19/more-on-the-soldier-kareem-r-khan/

SHERWICK said...

Is there anything that Powell didn't address? Obama can use Powell's whole speech in all all his ads lol

Daniel said...

Obama expands lead in all three Gallup daily trackers. Let's see if Drudge posts the Obama 'surge' in the Gallup polls.

Was over at Townhall.com a few minutes ago -- the bloggers there are positioning the Powell endorsement as a racial thing and that Obama has promised Powell a spot in his cabinet.

The pejoratives from the right wing are now coming full-blast as the reality that an AA will likely be their president sets in. Such hatred -- I think the fact that they've waited 2 decades to get this close to overturning Roe v Wade and now, it very well may not happen in their lifetimes if Obama nominates 2-3 social moderates.

markymark said...

PK

What the Palin pick did was show that experience wasn't the issue. Intelligence and ability were. And frankly, Palin has been found sadly lacking in both of those two categories. And General Colin Powell (rt.) former Secretary of State, National Security Adviser and Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff agrees with me.

Eric said...

PeteKent,

your assessment of Palin is dead-wrong. 20% love her. 80% hate her. She's a niche and an anchor. This is plainly obvious in a million different ways.

Matt W said...

A must read...

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/mccaina_quantum_physics_breakt.php#more

sfergus483 said...

One thing to watch: if there is some foreign policy issue/terror issue/Bin Laden interference, watch Powell be a go-to guy for Obama, which would be a huge help.

Might actually be the most important thing about the endorsement.

Eric said...

anyone have a problem with Mason-Dixon releasing an Ohio poll that contradicts all recent polling, with no internals to back up their poll. It smells of cooking the books to me!

mc9cain said...

Has Obama ever been as high as 52% with Gallup on registered voters? I think this is a new high.

KIC said...

Matthew H:

Gergen has been an advisor to four presidents, both Republican and Democrat and may be the single most objective, fair, and astute political analyst in the country. (Yes, I am a Gerganite - I would vote Gergen for POTUS in a nanosecond). You should check out some of his books. He's amazing.

KungFuGrip said...

Sean:

Those "cute" Jayhawks at the University of Kansas in Lawrence provide one of the very few Democratic strongholds in the state. They make it possible for Dennis Moore to keep getting re-elected in KS-3, and also made Nancy Boyda's upset in 2006 possible. (That's right. Kansas Republicans are not only so disjointed they can't put forward an electable candidate for governor, they can't even gerrymander correctly.)

So watch your words, or we'll send Mark Mangino around to sit on you.

SHERWICK said...

"Matt W said...
So far today...
Obama gains 1 in Ras
No change in Hotline
Obama gains 2 in Gallup RV
Obama gains 3 in Gallup LVe
Obama gains 1 in Gallup LVt

Perhaps the most important...
Obama gains the endorsement of Colin Powell!

Toss in record breaking crowds in MO yesterday and record breaking fundraising...

and McCain claims he has the "momentum"... hmmm"

McCain has Obama 'right where he wants him' lol

Matthew H said...

If it weren't for the robocalls, I'd say that McCain is packing it in.

On the other hand, the McCain robocalls are probably paid for by the Party, so maybe he really has packed it in. We'll see.

Real Joe said...



Gallup Daily: Obama Retains Significant Lead

Barack Obama's advantage over John McCain in the presidential race has again widened to 10 points among registered voters, 52% to 42%

Eric said...

who might Obama pick as Sec. of State? A former General? Chuck Hagel? Susan Rice?

John McCain is my Love Child! said...

Haha,

Kansans are very pro-education?

Really?

So long as its creation-based, right?

Real Joe said...

Gallup

O 52%

M 42%

Obama Surge ???

PeteKent said...

Out of Many One

"God, there are So Many small boring red states and every time I think you've finished writing about them, there's another one left."

This poster no doubt lives in one of those unpatriotic parts of America.

I have always celebrated American diversity and have long decried the homogenization of our great country. Damn McDonald's and Starbucks! And Wal-Mart too!

But no part of this great land is reflexively boring.

E Pluribus Unum -- Out of Many One

KIC said...

Well, I could have sworn he had a deal with Hillary for SoS, but her conversation the other night with Wolf Blitzer kind of kills that.

MisterEd said...

The Kansas-related portion of my post:

Meet Sean Tevis, candidate for Kansas State House of Representatives District 15.

http://seantevis.com/kansas/3000/running-for-office-xkcd-style/


The non-Kansas related part of my post - I thought we were going to see the results of Selzer's 4-day poll in Indiana today. I haven't seen anything on the IndyStar website. Was it supposed to be Sunday or not?

Vinny said...

I'm not sorry to say Ohio is irrelevant this year. Florida, Missouri, Virginia, Colorado, and North Carolina are all leaning towards Obama, and he only needs to pick up one to win. Ohio is icing.

Keith said...

Internal polls in PA were leaked this week by an Obama spokesman.... He is only leading by 2 points. Check out link http://audio.wilknewsradio.com/m/audio/21203046/corbett-speaks-with-sean-smith.htm

sfergus483 said...

Don't think she'd take it, but Obama might raise the subject of SoS to Hillary Clinton (or Atty General).

I think he might go with Bill Richardson though, who is clearly qualified.

Eric said...

Among these three groups:

Intellectual Elites (Republican and Democrats paid for their opinions)
Newspapers
R.O.W. (rest of world)

Obama leads about 905 to 10%, literally. That's reaaly extreme. This choice is a very obvious one.

newsfromOH said...

Another amazing thing about Powell's statement was that he effectively condensed and restated the major talking points of both camps, separating wheat from chaff.

Aunt Karen said...

And the problem, PK, is that Palin energizes a group that is divisive. That's not what Republicans need in a candidate going forward.

You know, if McCain had gone ahead and picked anyone else on his supposed short list, most of the pro-life group would have voted for him, anyway. He himself is pro-life, so what's the problem.

And Palin does make us, as a nation, look terrible in the eyes of the rest of the world. That stuff from her rallies that plays on Al-Jazeera is going to take a lot to overcome.

hi ho said...

true enough that KS has an embarrassing struggle with the creationists on their school boards.

It is still true that at the school and classroom level there are lots of good things going on and Kansas are dedicated to quality public schools.

Real Joe said...

real joe said...
Gallup

O 52%

M 42%

Obama Surge ???

COMMENTS ???

visitor_xxx said...

Eric said...
PeteKent,

your assessment of Palin is dead-wrong. 20% love her. 80% hate her. She's a niche and an anchor. This is plainly obvious in a million different ways.

October 19, 2008 12:11 PM

***************
I am pleased to co-sign this.
And hello to you all.

markymark said...

Sec of State, if Obama wants a Democrat then one of Bill Richardson, Richard Holbrooke or James Rubin. If he wants a Republican, apart from age I would say Richard Lugar, maybe Chuck Hagel. I think a retired General might be smarter as Sec of Defense. (wes Clark? Jim Jones?)

visitor_xxx said...

Real Joe said...
real joe said...
Gallup

O 52%

M 42%

Obama Surge ???

COMMENTS ???

***********
Real Joe uber alles.
;)

markymark said...

Incidentally if you haven't seem the whole of Powell interview, do watch it. Classy, classy guy.

Sara A. said...

Will: That remark about "small, boring red states" is just as obnoxious as Palin talking about the "real" "pro-American" states. Cut it out.

Real Joe said...

McCain Surge ??

LAT said...

so I guess all that McCain surge talk will stop today.

And it is true, as soon as I hear about the 150 million I gave more! And will give more this week and next and all the way to election day ( I am not maxed out yet)

Chris said...

Kansas does have a Senate race this year - Jim Slattery (the Democrat) is challenging Pat Roberts. Unfortunately Slattery doesn't look likely to win.

There are some interesting things happening in Kansas that you missed. Nancy Boyda, who was a surprise Democratic (congress) win 2 years ago, used to be a Republican. The Republican Party in Kansas has pushed many bright thoughtful members out. Their rhetoric is increasingly shrill - and a little scary.

I live in Kansas, though on the Eastern edge, only a couple of miles from Kansas City Missouri.

You should note that Kansas' traditional brand of Republicanism had a shade of Libertarianism. That was trampled by the religious right quite awhile ago and is hopefully playing itself out. Like elsewhere, the Republican Party in Kansas has pushed anyone with a moderate stance out, resulting in a Democratic Party that is attracting more and more people. Maybe we won't see a lot of new wins this year but the donkeys are gaining ground in this state.

Real Joe said...



Limbaugh: Where are the inexperienced white liberals Powell endorsed?

ttfrenzy said...

Anyone know when the Selzer Indiana Numbers will be coming out?

PorridgeGun said...

Watching McSnubbed right now (with the sound off). Goddamn he looks old.


I'm done with those crooked wingnut cunts over at RCP.

I'm sure I speak for the majority here when I say Nate/Sean should modify 538 to include all national polls and the correct average. Not for the today's polls updates, but like they're supposed to on RCP. I want to break the habit of visiting that site.

Matt W said...

Real Joe,
Not a surge, just a return to the natural state of the race!

KIC said...

You know...I do wonder about Chuck Hagel. His wife came out strongly and publicly for Obama, sitting with Michelle at the last debate while Hagel has withheld all endorsements. Hmmm....hadn't thought about it, but I wonder. Man, my fellow Nebraskans would explode, here in the red state (aside from Husker red, that is). But that would explain the whole wife endorsement while he publicly confirms endorsing no one. (Was all over the news here. Very "oo ah" stuff.)

Vinny said...

Internal polls in PA were leaked this week by an Obama spokesman.... He is only leading by 2 points. Check out link

That's a huge load of bullcrap. Every single poll taken since late September showed Obama with a double-digit lead, INCLUDING a state tracker. If that's true, Obama's internals are off, not the polls, because it's ridiculous that EVERY public poll taken in the last 3 weeks is an outlier just because Obama's internals say so.

moondancer said...

I don't think the electorate is in the mood for the blatant hate message of McCain/Palin. They are staring into the abyss of a depression and are not listening to extremist chatter.
Also McPOW is tossing shotputs to the GOP undercard instead of lifesavers.

markymark said...

So it looks like most Republicans commenting on the Powell endorsement weren't listening to him. (Yes I am thinking of you Mr Limbaugh).

Ordinarulo said...

Someone else pointed it out before. We have a Senate race this year, Roberts v Slattery. And, in theory, it's more competitive than any Senate race here in years. Slattery is a former House member, not just a token Democrat, like is often run. Unfortunately, Slattery has been a Washington-living lobbyist for the last decade. Pat Roberts has been a barely-in-Kansas Washington-critter for a lot longer than that. So, given the choice between two barely-Kansan insiders, we will tend to go with the Republican incumbent, even if he sucks (and boy does he).

SHERWICK said...

"Colin Powell is a turncoat, a traitor to the United States of America. He has no level of respect left from Americans. He has lost his reputation and his honor by casting his support with terrorists, dictators and all haters of America."

Just one example of what's being said on the Republican sites lol

LAT said...

Vinny--poor Keith is just trying to cheer himself up with that link.

And the Obama people are trying to make sure no one gets complacent. I am definitely not, donating, and phonebanking until the last possible minute.

Matt W said...

Markymark,
That, or they assume their listeners wern't watching Powell and will just hear the headline.

Eric said...

As a Kansas native, I can report a lot of friends and family who have been life-long republicans are planning to vote for Obama in November.

My take on the powell endorsement and the current lay of the swing states-
http://1000strings.blogspot.com/2008/10/colin-powell-endorses-barack-obama.html

Real Joe said...



Muhlenberg tracking poll: Obama lead down to 12

newsfromOH said...

Limbaugh just confirms that Powell was valued merely as a token. His race was the first thing they saw, and still see, with him.

Simply wretched.

Darwinian politics--diversity creates strength, inbreeding, weakness and extinction

Then again, the creationists wouldn't know that . . .

Eric said...

KIC said...
You know...I do wonder about Chuck Hagel. His wife came out strongly and publicly for Obama, sitting with Michelle at the last debate while Hagel has withheld all endorsements. Hmmm....hadn't thought about it, but I wonder. Man, my fellow Nebraskans would explode, here in the red state (aside from Husker red, that is). But that would explain the whole wife endorsement while he publicly confirms endorsing no one. (Was all over the news here. Very "oo ah" stuff.)


Hagel might be alittle too cold and harsh to be Secretary of State.
Lugar might be the better choice, if you're going to pick a Pub Senator. Obama went on his Summer tour with Hagel and worked on stopping nuclear proliferation with Lugar.

Matthew H said...

Re: Small boring red states. But it's true! Every drive through them? Is there really a difference between Wyoming and Idaho, for example? Heck, Sean can't even tell a Jawhawk from a Hoosier.

It's equivalent to somebody asking if we really need three articles on Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts. Their politics are close enough that somebody from the outside isn't going to reveal anything too exciting by writing about them separately.

Matt W said...

The appearance of a race closer than it actually is will benefit Obama.

Kevin said...

I agree with Hi Ho

I was born in Lawrence, and I'm always embarrassed to say I am from Kansas. But I do feel a surge of pride when I can say Lawrence, Kansas.

Jayhawk rock

but they won't vote for the hawk

visitor_xxx said...

PeteKent said...
Powell – Palin ‘12

**************
@PeteKent
Sorry:
Powell deeply disagree:


"...Powell expressed disappointment in the negative tone of McCain's campaign, as well as in his choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as the Republican vice presidential nominee..."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-19-powell-obama_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

and you are daily wrong PeteKent,as usual.

Joseph Wright said...

This is not exactly on topic, but neither is anything else that gets posted here. I'm sure I'll be labelled as a troll, but I'm just trying to inject a new dialog into this echo chamber. Before you label me as a wingnut, I'll preface this with saying that in Washington State we have early voting with absentee ballots and I have already dropped in my vote for Obama.

Here's what we have to look forward to in the coming months. Obama will win, but the republicans will go hard after the supposed ACORN voter fraud. They will challenge the results of the election which could turn everything into a big mess like happened in 2000.

Obama does not have a silver bullet and his charisma and persuasiveness will not bring the country together as you probably believe. Look at the ugliness that is coming out of the woodwork. The far right is going to grow more vocal, perhaps even violent, and the nation will become further divided.

The crowds of 100,000 people are troubling. Footage of people screaming for Obama a la the Beatles or Elvis is not becoming for adults and shows a loss of control. Anyone who is given this much power may grow power hungry, and no person is immune to this, no matter how cool headed.

The differences in policies between democrats and republicans are fairly small. The rhetoric says otherwise, but look at the actions. Obama voted for the bailout. Clinton was considered right of center by many on the left during the 90s. Perhaps you've forgotten the unprecedented expansion of corporate powers under his watch. Democrats do not stand up to republican policing of your private lives. They also did not stand up to the war or the Patriot Act. Republicans do not favor small government as the continuously claim. George Bush has expanded our government beyond anyone's wildest dreams. So any large differences between the two parties are extremely minor, but they do give us something to rant about while the issues slide by year after year, don't they?

So why did I vote for Obama? Because if there's anything worth fighting for in this world, it's the separation of church and state, and the republicans have a pretty good handle on trying to eliminate that separation. Sadly, Obama seems to be potentially slipping in that direction, the way he supports "faith based" federal handouts, and his agreement to be interrogated by Rick Warren. This is what happens when a desire for votes trumps common sense.

SHERWICK said...

good take eric, though I still think Kerry + IO + MO is the way for Obama to get to 270.

Eric said...

I listened to the +2 Obama Pa clip. A kid trying to rile up his campaigners for Obama construed data to be less favorable than it actually was to get his ground troops motivated. This is equivalent to trying to convince your team at halftime that they need to play like it's a new allgame, even though they're up 35-3. He had to make something up, so he told them internals reflect it only being 2 points. It's pure fiction.

Chi said...

About Obama's Sec of State, I think Susan Rice is probably the highest on his list at the moment.

markymark said...

Quick not on the Gallup tracker.

In the last 16 days Obama has dipped below 50% for 1 day. Over that same period McCain's peak is at 43%.

michiganmaine said...

Real Joe said...

real joe said...
Gallup

O 52%

M 42%

Obama Surge ???

COMMENTS ???




Sure.

Your party is toast.

PeteKent said...

For Your Health: McCain - Palin '08


I think Dottie the Baker got it wrong.

McCain's healthcare plan has two aspects.

One, eliminate interstate barriers to insurance competition that segregates small markets into inadequate pools of care. For instance, Kentucky.


Two, it aims to level the playing field bw employer and non-employer provided health care. McCain gives every American family a tax credit of $5,000 (lower for single folk). That means you get $5,000 to spend on insurance from any source throughout the nation.

McCain does not tax insurance coverage by your employer. It is still a deductible expense to the company you work for. But McCain's plan eliminates the tax break you get on the health insurance your employer provides you. Right now you get the benefit tax free with your employer’s contribution not considered income to you and you can pay for your share of premiums through before tax dollars, thereby shielding that income from tax. McCain eliminates all this and gives you a tax credit of $5,000 in its place.

For all but those with the most Cadillac of Plans with zero deductibles, McCain's plan will cost you less and you will be able to shop for it freely nationwide and change it whenever you don't like it and you would not lose it when you changed or lost your job.

No less than Regina Herlzlinger, The Head of The Health Department at Harvard, endorses the McCain plan.

The plan is on the forefront of the Consumer Driven Healthcare Revolution.

Obama's plan boils down to European-style centralized healthcare. What's a three to six month wait for an MRI when your tendon is in shreds? Lots of people limp! Have some empathy, man!

McCain's plan would better assure all people's access to Concierge Medicine should they want it and a healthcare industry that competes for your business.

Nothing Socialist about that!

For Your Health: McCain - Palin '08

jakam said...

Those Gallup numbers are all the more impressive because usually the Sunday numbers show a tightening.

PorridgeGun said...

Shit, I forgot all about Gallup. I've been too pre-occupied with the Powell endorsement. Consumer confidence down, Obama up.


I fully expect Nebraska's Chuck Hagel to follow Powell's lead and endorse Obama in the next week, and possibly Dick Luger after that.

beamman said...

Kinda in a rush, so I haven't scoured the earlier comments, so I apologize if anyone has made either of these points already:

First--McCain's suggestion that Obama's large haul of small donations is outrageous. It is the very epitome of an unsubstantiated allegation, meant to smear without any way to refute. BUT THE BIGGER POINT is that McCain's suggestion that there must be large contributors out there making numerous, unchecked small donations is just bizarre and illogical.... If the point of the election finance reform laws was to limit influence on a public official of a few, huge donors, how exactly does it availeth such influence-wielders to make a series of small, untraceable, anonymous donations?? Is some would-be mucky-muck going to stand at the visitor's desk at the White House demanding entry, claiming millions of dollars donated in thousands of chunks under wacky fake names??!! Yeah, right.

Second thing: Is anyone else confused by Gallup's two likely voter models? I hadn't looked closely in past days at the numbers included in each, but I noticed today that their "traditional" sample included several hundred MORE respondants than the "new" model, which only measures stated intent to vote. Are they assuming that a sizeable chunk of persons are "likely" to vote, though presently stating no real intention of doing so? That seems strange to me.

Eric said...

PorridgeGun said...
Shit, I forgot all about Gallup. I've been too pre-occupied with the Powell endorsement. Consumer confidence down, Obama up.


I fully expect Nebraska's Chuck Hagel to follow Powell's lead and endorse Obama in the next week, and possibly Dick Luger after that.


Sitting Republican Senators won't endorse Obama. I'm almost sure of it. Joe Leberman is a super-rare exception and he's alson no longer a Dem.

PA John said...

PA Morning Call:

O-52, Mc 40

Was at O+11 last Sunday.

SHERWICK said...

beamman, the whole Gallup LV thing is strange and bizarre. Don't worry about it. The October surprise happened today, and the McCain camp know it.

michiganmaine said...

SHERWICK said...

good take eric, though I still think Kerry + IO + MO is the way for Obama to get to 270.



Why is this "the way"? Kerry + NM + IO + CO is far more of a sure thing.

PorridgeGun said...

Where's jack_be_nimble? Strange that he's not around to gloat about the polls tightening, or how exciting the race has become.

Ginny in CO said...

Cute? Very kind of you Sean. As an alumni of the (purple?) Wildcats of KSU, I can at least point to our distinguished record of National Debate Championships.

Kansas is GOP baseland. However in 5/07 when we went back to visit some family there, the wind was changing.

I'm thinking election night '08 is going to be 180 degrees from 2000, on 3 planes, plus time. I just figured out this last week what and where I might be drinking.

http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081012/UPDATES03/81012011

Alex is my nephew and I can attest to his amatuer brewing skills. Haven't tasted his Irish Red yet (he's been pressured to have a batch for Turkey day) but it's a kind I usually like more than any other.

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Eric said...

Kansas Eric, Texas Eric here. Your assessment is solid. The 7 battlegrounds most likely to tip in your assessment in order are:

Virginia
Colorado
Florida
North Carolina
Nevada
Ohio
Missouri

The one caveat I'd throw in is the money issue. Assuming the RNC is not hording some ridculous amount of money for the last week or so, Obama's most likely state might be the one that he is able to outspend McCain 3:1 or more. We've seen this deluge speding work for both candidates at different times in the elction. If McCain only has so much money and Obama can deluge the airwaves, whichever state or states he can do that in might be his best chance to flip. Early voting is also an issue.

Zenu said...

Thanks for the link to the Powell video above. His endorsement was done in such an eloquent way. I also heavily agree with him on the why is a Muslim a bad thing debacle. I don't know why more people aren't stepping up to the plate to say that, and him saying it gives him my respect.

Eric said...

Thanks Sherwick. You're right, MO might be higher on the list than I have it, esp. with high AA turnout in KC and STL.

Here's my take again, reposted from my site:
http://1000strings.blogspot.com/


The math is really starting to pile on Obama's side - but that doesn't mean it's over. The easiest path for Obama to get elected is to win all of Kerry's states in 2004 (CA, CT, DC, DE, HI, IL, MA, MD, ME, MI, MN, NH, NJ, NY, OR, PA, RI, VT, WA, WI) + Iowa + New Mexico + any one of the following states (in order of likelihood):

Virginia
Colorado
Florida
North Carolina
Nevada
Ohio
Missouri

As of today, Obama is leading in all of these states. Remember, he needs just one to win. McCain on the other hand, needs to win all 7, plus a major Kerry state (MI, MN, PA or WI) to be elected. Right now, that's looking like a tough challenge.

And the "new" battleground states have been a fixture of the Republican base of the last few decades:

Indiana
West Virginia
Montana
North Dakota
Georgia
Arkansas
South Dakota
Nebraska
Mississippi
Louisiana

If Obama were to take one or more of these states, we'd really be looking at a game-changer - something that could re-define American politics for the next generation.

markymark said...

Dick Lugar has already said he is voting for McCain.

Chuck Hagel is another matter. My guess is that he will be happy to leave it as an inferred endorsement. But who knows. He might, just might, jump ship and endorse Obama.

Eric said...

Quenn Rania of Jordan is hot!

Marx was right said...

to introduce Ms. Obama, they had Dorothy the Baker. Dorothy explained that, due to the high medical expenses, she's going to have to eliminate medical care for all of her employees if McCain is elected. Good luck to them, and all that. After all, she gets taxed under the McCain plan. Her employees get the credit. Net result- no reason for the employer to keep the plan.

This sounds so typical of Republican economics, the whole point of which is to eliminate ANY benefits, subsidies, or programs for working class people.

No Child Left Behind works the same way - it actually incentivizes the closing of schools through their testing and standards regulations. NCLB a backhanded attempt to get rid of public education, which the Republicans of course would love to do (and have wanted to do for ages).

So McCain's plan about taxing small businesses more for health care makes perfect sense if your goal is to deny benefits to working class people.

Let's be honest - Republicans hate hard working Americans and the middle class. They would like nothing more than to abolish the minimum wage and destroy the few programs we have left that protect workers, like unemployment insurance and other labor laws.

Todd Dugdale said...

Judging by the fundraising numbers, the voters are backing the "socialists" with their wallets.

Nationalising banks is pretty "socialist", but McCain is okay with that.

Spending $39 million in FL doesn't seem quite so crazy when the campaign pulls in $100M+.
And McCain has $84M for the entire election. Without FL, his campaign is finished, and he can't afford to compete in that expensive media market.

The RNC is also pulling back funding for the Presidential race in order to save the down-ticket from a massacre. McCain is left with the 527s, and their generic national messages that he has no control over.

It's funny: two weeks or so ago, the Republicans were predicting Big Things from Palin's visit to CA. Now it's polling higher for Obama than ever. After Palin visited MN, the state went from "swing" to O +8.

Palin seems to be Obama's secret weapon.

Real Joe said...

if the election is called @ 11 ET

when will the candidates speak ??

Chi said...

So I couldn't help it but wandered back to RCP and I notice that they do not have Gallup's RV numbers. What a crock of shit!

PA John said...

new post

PorridgeGun said...

Eric,


Hagel's retiring from the senate. Scott Kleeb and Johanns are currently contesting his soon to be vacated seat. I think Luger is retiring, also.

Real Joe said...

new thread

Eric said...

Texas Eric:

So, figuring in money, I'd have to throw Indiana in on that list. McCain is practically non-existent there.

assmole said...

So if Powell takes up plumbing, his endorsement will start to matter to Pete Kent? How absurd!

SHERWICK said...

"Palin seems to be Obama's secret weapon"

LOL!

PeteKent said...

What’s the Matter with Palin?

I am having trouble figuring out what people really find objectionable in Palin. I think it is centered on her knowledge and her poise in interviews. I suspect she will learn to handle these situations with aplomb after a brief while and be quite captivating to a larger and larger segment of the electorate who find her authentic nature refreshing.

Maybe I am wrong. Perhaps the middle class is out of fashion and we are all community organizers now.

sfergus483 said...

I wouldn't be surprised to see more leading Repubs - Hagel, Lugar, John Warner, Susan Collins (already done so), Gordon Smith - distance themselves from McCain's tactics in the coming weeks.

And they would be doing their party a favor if they do.

Daniel said...

In regards to the Obama campaign guy who said Obama was up 2, that is definitely false...the campaign is sandbagging to tempt McCain to waste more of their limited cash there. That cash can't be used in the 8 to 10 2004 Bush states which are being flipped, that McCain must sweep

PeteKent said...

Zogby has it tightening and suggesting it is significant.

markymark said...

porridge gun,

I've found today very exciting. Maybe Jack be nimble will tell us later how much of a traitor Powell is.

sfergus483 said...

Lugar is not up for reelection this year. He will continue as a Senator.

He is 76, so he might not run for reelection next time he is up.

prairiecomm said...

Matt W - thank you - the marc a article was a classic!

David said...

Re: newspaper endorsements - the Kansas City Star is the major newspaper for Kansas. While downtown and the airport are in Missouri, the city straddles the state lines, and people who describe themselves as living in Kansas City come from both states, at least 5 counties, and nearly countless suburbs. In terms of land area, the greater metro area has been listed as the 2nd largest in the country, outside of Los Angeles.

PorridgeGun said...

On September 10, 2007, Hagel announced that he would be retiring from the Senate at the end of his term in 2009. The announcement ended speculation regarding a possible bid for the presidency in 2008.

On its website The Times reported that the Senator is a possible candidate for the cabinet position of United States Secretary of Defense in a Barack Obama administration, if the Democratic presidential candidate, Senator Obama, is elected president:

Obama is hoping to appoint cross-party figures to his cabinet such as Chuck Hagel, the Republican senator for Nebraska and an opponent of the Iraq war […] Senior advisers confirmed that Hagel, a highly decorated Vietnam war veteran and one of McCain’s closest friends in the Senate, was considered an ideal candidate for defense secretary.

Senator Obama was quoted in the same article, when asked about Hagel as a potential cabinet member: "Chuck Hagel is a great friend of mine and I respect him very much."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel#Retirement







BTW, Zogby is not to be trusted, by any stretch of the imagination.

Eric said...

Eric said...
Texas Eric:

So, figuring in money, I'd have to throw Indiana in on that list. McCain is practically non-existent there.

North Dakota + Montana
and
Nevada, Missouri might move up, depending on where McCain spends money.

Have you played the board game RISK? Game theory suggests attack where your opponent is weak.

Eric said...

Secretary of Defense Hagel meet VP Biden. That'd be an interesting board meeting with Obama at the helm.

MATT J. H. said...

Joseph Wright, you are a confused individual. The Acorn "Scare" is voter registration fraud and not voter fraud. If this election is "Ohio Ohio Ohio" then the right may get some traction, but the election won't be "Ohio Ohio Ohio." Your worrying about an Obama Presidency before he's elected. Chill. Have confidence in the man. He's smarter than me and you and will make good decisions for the country, even if the far right don't like it.

So much for McCain momentum, how about those Gallup and Rasmussen numbers. Time is ticking. Every day McCain isn't gaining ground he's losing it. Our situation is good, 16 days and Barack will be elected. Lets keep donating and volunteering. I can smell it.

Eric said...

Queen Rania is totally awesome. For those out there who don't automatically hate anyone form the Middle East, if you listen to her and then consider the crap that comes out of Palin's mouth, it's no wonder so much of the country is totally turned off by Palin.

Marx was right said...

Let's stop calling the nationalization of the banks "socialism." It's not. It's still a form of crony capitalism that benefits the wealthiest. You could also call it a form of fascism. It's simply another way to rig the same game we've always had.

The government is not demanding financial integrity from these institutions. Read the bill. They specifically eliminated an already standing regulation that requires banks to report their actual values. They simply got rid of it.

None of these company officers or managers are being held responsible for their recklessness and misdeeds. These guys should be indicted, for pete's sake, not allowed to walk. Obama kept saying he wants no golden parachutes or rewards for these guys but guess what? At Paulson's meeting, where these crooks actually had a place at the table, they TOOK OUT THAT REQUIREMENT. Why? Because they didn't like it. Poor babies. So that's been removed. Does Obama know this? Of course he knows.

Calling it socialism is a way to repudiate true socialism itself in the MSM. Read the comments on this blog if you don't believe me. The last thing the people in power want is for the American people to get even a whiff of real socialism.

You have to eliminate the entire system that is in place to have socialism. More "regulation" will never - never - eliminate the moral hazard or the power to create unearned wealth that comes from the power to manufacture credit out of thin air. "Regulation" is the mantra these politicians use to make you believe that a recurrence of this nightmare won't repeat itself.

Capitalism itself is still in place. So regulation of it still won't work. When it doesn't work - after the next financial disaster - they will promise even more regulation. Which of course won't work then, either.

This isn't socialism. It's the American way of doing business.

sfergus483 said...

Heard this AM - either on MTP or MSNBC - that Obama is going to spend $5 million in WVa, both media and on the ground, which is a huge amount of money for that smallish state.

Their 47-41 McCain lead poll is encouraging - the CW would be those who are against Obama because of race there might be less worried about openly supporting McCain (there was no Bradley effect there - the polls always showed a big Clinton lead). That McCain is clearly below 50% with a lot of undecideds is encouraging.

Matthew H said...

No less than Regina Herlzlinger, The Head of The Health Department at Harvard, endorses the McCain plan.

She has to be the least credible endoresement I've seen yet. She has nothing to do with medicine- she's Havard Business School's leading proponent on "Let's do to the the medical profession what we did to mortgages". She treats medicine like an optional commodity. She's a proponent, not an unbiased expert.

Is it that hard to understand why this doesn't work? We had an employee at IBM with Hepatitis C. He was fully insured through the company health plan. He worked in my department for five years, receiving treatments, taking time off as necessary, etc. Eventually, of course, he died of it.

Do you really think that any insurance company would have taken him if he'd not been part of the company health plan? Of course not. He would have died three years sooner, with a debt that would have bankrupted his family and then been passed on to the taxpayer.

If McCain were elected, the first thing I'd do is dump the company health plan. Maybe I'd get a cheaper plan, maybe I'd just go without health care. Everybody healthy would. That would leave only old and sick people on the company health plan. Think their rates would go up? You betcha.

Insurance is *pooled risk*. Right now, the pool is based on employment. Whether you're old, or young, or healthy, or sickly, you're all averaged out as employees.

Under McCain's plan, the healthy people will either forego insurance or take the minimum necessary from a private health plan. The "average person" might come out even, but those who are old or sickly will have to get their insurance separately, and that won't be affordable.

This is known as "skimming". It's very popular where vouchers are allowed. Let's say the average student costs $3,000 a year to teach, so you make vouchers for $3000 a year. The private schools "skim" off the average students, who only cost $2000 a year to teach, and they make a thousand dollar a student profit. Meanwhile, the public schools are stuck with the behavioral problems, the learning diabled, the phsycially disabled, and the extremely bright. They might end up costing $10,000 a year each to teach properly. And then Republicans just.can't.understand why the public schools get even worse on this plan.

"Privatizing" has long been a synonym of "skimming"- let the private companies handle the easy stuff for a profit, stick the government with the hard stuff for a loss. In Medical care, it's going to end up with a lot of people getting insufficient care on the government's dollar.

KIC said...

Joseph Wright:

Of course there won't be some kind of sudden universal Utopia. That isn't the point. The point, besides the fact that he *does* have the intellect and judgement to make some very positive changes, about Obama's reaching across is that it is but the first step in at least actually, as opposed to intellectually evolving to a new level. Obama is truly The Marginal Man. A person who straddles different cultures and lives in both worlds, belonging to neither but who, unlike the original theory of the marginal man, *trancends* the problems and struggles, by instead using it to further close gaps, which while impossible (IMO, considering human nature. I mean, we even let sporting teams divide us) can come closer to a negligent issue, so that other issues, that affect everyone can be focused on. That's my take anyway.

PorridgeGun said...

Just caught a snippet of McCain trying to justify robocalls that smeared his family in 2000. He said there is a huge difference between what Rove did to him and what he's doing to Obama now. If there was any lingering doubts - this guy is the scummiest piece of shit to ever run for higher office.

mapsguy1955 said...

In reference to a previous poster, I do not think the Republicans can EVER overturn Roe vs. Wade, even if they control more than half of everything. That is the only constant issue that drives their base to vote... They will always have some reason to not overturn it... Again, it is about the money!

bamaObama said...

Good day fellow Obamaniacs. What a great day! Powell. 150M. Up-tick in polls.

hermance said...

@Matthew H: I think I sort of see what you’re saying. But, in all due respect, shut the f up. If it weren’t for crap about “flyover states,” “racist red states,” and all that, I honestly think Dems would be getting even more support this year. It’s very palpable in these states that you dismiss how much they hate being marginalized and stereotyped. (Too bad they are only now beginning to see how they’ve been totally used by the Republicans.) Most states in America pride themselves in being more interesting and complex than their demographics. There’s also a bit of that, “I can make fun of my family, but you can’t” that goes on. Unless you’re from one of those places, people generally don’t like it when you make fun of them. Let's leave it to the right wing extremists to marginalize whole swaths of the country.

@Joseph Wright: I’m a lot less troubled by 100,000 people showing up to hear a message about how we should come together to solve real problems than 30,000 people showing up to hear a major candidate talk about “pro-America” parts of the country and claim that a sitting US Senator “palls around with terrorists,” while supporters are encouraged to boo. (It's a shame that so few news orgs have covered Obama gently reprimanding his crowds for booing McCain.) Frankly, I am more disturbed by the notion that one candidate can buy up so much tv air time. That said, I am not at all disturbed by the fact that Obama has raised so much money, and I resent the right-wing's implications that we should be worried about it. My husband and I very carefully saved up money to be able to donate, and it was the first time we’ve ever donated more than $50 total to any one campaign. I suspect our story is the story of many Obama donors. Still, I don’t like the idea that television wins presidential campaigns because I think 30 second clips are a bad basis for decisions. That may explain why I’m not disturbed by people’s eagerness to listen to a 45 minute speech.

Brian said...

Maybe I am wrong.

You should generally consider this a universal given.

bamaObama said...

I am incresing my final vote margin from 4% to around 4.5%. Enjoy the election of a lifetime. We are all witnessing history!

Todd Dugdale said...

marx was right wrote:
Let's stop calling the nationalization of the banks "socialism." It's not. It's still a form of crony capitalism that benefits the wealthiest. You could also call it a form of fascism.

Since I was the one who said that, your comment is addressed to me, and I will say that I agree with you.

The point is, however, that McCain's position is inherently contradictory. He can't logically say that nationalising banks is acceptably "capitalist", while criticising Obama's tax plan as "socialism".

Bush defended the nationalisation today in a somewhat hazy manner that only served to point out the contradiction.

In fact, I would go further and say that the public's acceptance of the nationalisation proves that the nation's putative fear of "socialism" is non-existent.

I hope this clarifies my remarks for you.

sfergus483 said...

For what it's worth -

The unusually low energy National Review blog has a post speculating on Obama cabinet and other position choices...

Daschle as chief of staff
Jack Reed as Secy of Defense (won't happen with GOP RI governor)Eric Holder as Atty General

PorridgeGun said...

Obama just mentioned Montana among the Red States he's been campaigning in recently. Maybe the internals show some gains.

KIC said...

Queen Rania is amazing. She's sooo intelligent. What a total package. I'm jealous.

bamaObama said...

Look where our guy was yesterday and today: Missouri and North Carolina. They know its all over but the shoutin'. Don't worry about the rest. Some will break out way and some won't. But this election is IN THE BAG!

KIC said...

Marx said:


No Child Left Behind works the same way - it actually incentivizes the closing of schools through their testing and standards regulations.


You don't know any teachers do you. Right now it is so convoluted and so bogged down in paperwork, many call it No Teacher Left Standing, and it leaves them a whole lot less time and room to actually teach. It's just not working, like so many other things.

Marx was right said...

Joseph Wright - excellent post.

I agree with you on the religiousness issue of the Republicans. But it remains to be seen whether they throw the fundies overboard in retooling their party, which they will be required to retool because the Repub party is in complete disarray. I'm guessing they will do this and tack more to the center in order to survive.

I completely agree with you about Obama's faith-based bullshit. It has had no place in his political campaigning, and yet he probably felt he had to do it to pick up even middle-of-the-road religious voters. I find it all stomach-churning. His policy positions on the faith-based initiatives are particularly troubling. I remember these issues coming up around Katrina - Bush and his cronies saying the Red Cross could "take care of everything that people needed."

Your point about the 2 parties is well taken. I've voted third party my ENTIRE LIFE (over 20 years). This is the first time in my life I will be voting for a major party candidate.

bamaObama said...

Win MO.
Win NC.
Lose IN.
Lose GA (but close).
ND?
Win NV.
Win CO.
WV?
That's the game.
Game. Set. Match.

KIC said...

I sure hope Kleeb wins but I won't hold my breath. He is another bright and very intelligent young star if he could get a foothold.

politicalcynic said...

Bamaobama said:

"This election is in the bag"

Sorry-but it isn't. Assumptions like that lower voter turnout-to the detriment of democrats. DON'T make this assumption.

Remember Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004? If you stop running before the finish line-you lose.

Just ask the Rabbit.

Political "now betting Obama by 272 EV's" cynic

PorridgeGun said...

Great audience participation from Obama in NC. "Let's have a show of hands."

Marx was right said...

kic, thanks. Yes, I believe that. They ran FEMA the same way, and seeing FEMA in action after Katrina proved that they had no interest in making any of it work for those who needed it.

It's called attrition. Bog everybody down in paperwork so nothing gets done. :(

PorridgeGun said...

LOL @ Obama: "Hoodwink ya!" "Bamboozle you!"

bamaObama said...

Any Democat at this time must always move to the middle, as also must any Rep. If they don't, they lose. Any will govern that way too. Look at Clinton. Liberal to the core, but HAD to govern as a centrist. But this is most important not in the short run, but in apps to the scotus. The country is moving left, but this trend will take another generation to complete. But, enjoy the ride.

bamaObama said...

Let's start discussing possible Cabinet positions and SCOTUS apps.

Gerbie said...
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Gerbie said...

WV = red no matter how many people (try to) vote for Obama.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/19/132343/11/189/635454

How many EV's will McShame win this way? Is there any realistic estimate out somewhere on this number?

Andrea said...

Barack Chalk Jayhawk. I'm a student at the University of Kansas, and let me tell you: there is no McCain presence on campus, but the Obama presence is astounding. Young Dems has been registering people for months, there has been a huge push to students to register at their Lawrence addresses, and I fully expect to see this translate into down ticket support. Obama won't win Kansas but Nancy Boyda, Dennis Moore, and state legislators like Marci Francisco should have every expectation of victory.

David said...

Geez, Hoosiers? Really? You know, that's only off by more than 500 miles. That's further than the distance from Boston to Washington DC. That's 2/3 of the distance from Iraq to Afghanistan.

Kansas politics is largely urban vs. rural. The major population centers tend to be Democratic - Kansas City being the big one; also Lawrence, Topeka & Wichita. Most of the rest of the state is very red.

The creationist battles are taken very seriously by both sides in the state; the University of Kansas reorganized their natural history museum, devoting an entire floor to evolutionary science and why it's important, and the voters threw out the creationist school board members at their first opportunity, though the war is far from won.

Looking at the topline poll numbers, it's sometimes easy to forget that there are millions of people living in the blue states who plan to vote for McCain, and millions in the red states who passionately support Barack Obama.

hermance said...

First, I agree with others that we shouldn't start talking cabinet and sure victories yet. It's so important not to get complacent--which is I think the biggest danger about that new $150 million number. We must remain vigilant and insist that there is still a possibility of losing.

@bamaobama: I disagree on your take of Clinton. He came in hoping to be left of center and moved aggressively without really understanding Washington's ways. Because he is a cunning political player, when he realized his mistakes might cost him the White House, he veered right of center. In the process, he crippled anyone's ability to have a serious conversation about health care for years and eviscerated welfare. He learned very well from his mistakes, but if he would have started with a more moderate approach and then moved left, I think he would have succeeded with a more progressive agenda \. He only "had" to govern to the right because he was painfully determined to have two terms in the White House. Sure, that's human nature (or at least political nature), but I think we as a nation paid some price for it.

I generally hate psycho-babble analysis of candidates and also David Brooks, but Brooks's recent column on Obama's temperament was good, I thought. From what I've been able to learn about Obama, he doesn't seem to have the personal neediness of other politicians. Though he certainly has tremendous ambition, that's not the same thing as a personal need for approval that has damaged many of our presidents. And he also just seems like a pretty decent human being and doesn't go in for the personal saga garbage that came along with both Bush and Clinton. I admit that if he becomes president and lives under that microscope for years, we might learn insights that contradict this perception. But I just wanted to point out that there are many ways that Obama seems different from the past 16 years of POTUS's. One valuable difference between him and Clinton, I think, will be his caution in approaching Washington. Hopefully, that won't result in more FISA-like decisions, but rather a long-term commitment to issues like alternative energy that he doesn't have to sell out in order to keep governing.

Hank said...

> McCain eliminates all this and
> gives you a tax credit of $5,000
> in its place.
>
> For all but those with the most
> Cadillac of Plans with zero
> deductibles, McCain's plan will
> cost you less and you will be
> able to shop for it freely
> nationwide and change it
> whenever you don't like it and
> you would not lose it when you
> changed or lost your job.

This is like Steve Martin's two simple steps to how to be a millionaire and never pay taxes. First step, you get a million dollars. The tax credit works - IF you have $5,000 to spend UP FRONT. Most people do not. Yes, I know it all balances out in the long-term, but the first step is a killer.

Pete, you post as a realist, but what do you think is really going to happen to that $5,000 tax credit? Maybe it's used for health care and maybe it's not. If it isn't, those people show up at the ER uninsured and we have to pay for their medical care at a significant penalty because they didn't get preventative care. The phenomenon is well-documented.

Health insurance is not car insurance. Like politics, it is all local. You need a long-term relationship with medical professionals to receive adequate care. You can't just change doctors like you change mechanics and still receive quality care. Yes, I know that *in theory* you can keep your own doctor and all that, but the reality is that competition based on price (and that's the primary consideration) drives the system towards division of the providers into "in network" and "out of network". A nation of price-shoppers trying to find the cheapest plan is not going to be healthier than what we have now.

The model further assumes that the parties involved (consumer and insurer) have relatively equal power. An individual in the proposed system is grossly overmatched and outgunned. The "free market" assumes equal player freedom and resources. This is most emphatically untrue in health care, in which the individual is seeking services that are not optional or discretionary. The instant you feel that first pang of pain in your abdomen, you are at a disadvantage and remain so permanently. Treatment of disease is not fungible. This is not shopping for goodies on the Internet.

Do you really think that insurance companies won't discriminate against pre-existing conditions? There are a zillion ways to make it harder for people to get coverage for pre-existing conditions; initiation fees, probationary periods, membership duration-based fee schedules, lower priority for new members, and on and on. No insurance company will willingly accept a new subscriber with significant liabilities. The barriers to changing plans will be substantial, as they are now. To suggest that it will be convenient to do so flies in the face of how insurance companies actually work.

Given McCain's natural predilection for minimal regulation contrasted with the amount of regulation required to overcome the insurance industry's powerful drive to shed risk, this plan is an inevitable train wreck with the consumer in the middle. The model simply doesn't converge on a solution that works for the consumer.

Hank said...

> In fact, I would go further and
> say that the public's acceptance
> of the nationalisation proves
> that the nation's putative fear
> of "socialism" is non-existent.

Bzzzt. Too far. The majority of 'the nation' is not thinking about socialism or capitalism. They just want the trains to run on time and we know where that leads.

Both parties and both candidates have to tread carefully in such a super-charged environment. Given McCain's performance since the convention and the Republican's performance since 1994, which do you think are more likely to avoid mob rule?

anj said...

Luger has already endorsed Obama.

Endorsement

Socrates said...

Kansas is socially and fiscally conservative. I expect McCain will hold KS. But Dem registration is way up and Rep numbers are down, so it may be closer than people think. 75 K turned out for Obama's KC rally.

Still, I am always surprised to see a state that doesn't back their own favorite son. Obama is from a small Kansas town and has roots there, and says his philosophy is based on those values. So, like I say, I am a bit curious as to why more residents don't go Obama just to be able to say, hey that's our guy ! And maybe to hope for some benefit of consideration from DC later. Gore would have won in 2000 with home state Tennessee.


Kansas also had Brownback in the race as well as Dole and Ike and Landon in earlier cycles. Quite a few prominent figures for a low population state.

alicel said...

Just so you know, Danny and the Miracles have been supplanted this year by Mario (Chalmers) and the Miracles. Mario made a buzzer-beater 3-pointer, which paved the way for the NCAA championship over Memphis.

mlf said...

What happened to W. Va. on the map??

Clemo said...

Don't hold your breath on Kansas, too much more work to do here. Kinda wish Pat Roberts would spout off his mouth so we could get a big fundraiser going for Slattery (like the woman in MN). Roberts hasn't helped Kansans for years and he stalled for months on the follow-up on the 9/11 report. How people can just vote him back in is hard to believe.

Ordinarulo said...

You mentioned Obama having weak fundraising in Kansas. Indeed true. But, look at the numbers up there. Obama *still* raised more dollars than McCain. In *KANSAS*. I'm certain a count of donors puts Obama well ahead.

Of course, this is a state that went for Huckabee (by a lot), *after* John McCain had wrapped up the nomination.

DuchessofGadsden said...

In Kansas, in 2004, about 1300 Democrats participated in their caucus that year. At my caucus location there were around 150 participants, and only one was under age 40. And she was 38.

In 2008 Kansas Democrats held their caucus on Super Tuesday. The weather than night was truly miserable. Across the state Democrats waited outside for up to three hours in snow, sleet, and freezing rain. At many locations hundreds of people abandoned the wait, and others never even found a parking space to join the line. In the end, 130,000 Democrats caucused, fully ten times the number four years earlier. At my caucus location, where about 1800 voters made it through the sleet, snow, and freezing rain (we had all three in the course of the evening) and fully 20% were under age 25.

Four days later on a pleasant an mild Saturday, the Republicans held their caucus. 20,000 showed up.

130,000 Democrats, and 20,000 Republicans. In Kansas. Red, Republican Kansas.

Maybe it's not completely impossible that Kansas could go blue this year.

selah said...

I live in the little blue bubble that is Lawrence, Kansas. Over the weekend, I visited the parents back in my small, dying home town in the southeast corner of the state. It boasts an elderly population, most making less than 30K per year, and every yard sprouts McCain/Palin signs. Don't these people know that they're the last ones to benefit from this ticket?

Matthew H said...

hermance said...
@Matthew H: I think I sort of see what you’re saying. But, in all due respect, shut the f up. If it weren’t for crap about “flyover states,” “racist red states,” and all that, I honestly think Dems would be getting even more support this year. It’s very palpable in these states that you dismiss how much they hate being marginalized and stereotyped. (Too bad they are only now beginning to see how they’ve been totally used by the Republicans.) Most states in America pride themselves in being more interesting and complex than their demographics. There’s also a bit of that, “I can make fun of my family, but you can’t” that goes on. Unless you’re from one of those places, people generally don’t like it when you make fun of them. Let's leave it to the right wing extremists to marginalize whole swaths of the country.


Sorry you don't like it. Outside of the stats and the Sebelius is Governor, there is nothing here where I couldn't switch it to Nebraska without changing a word. Heck, lot of the wording is just wrong, saying things like "none of the statewide races occur until 2010", when a Senate seat is being contested right now.

If the article had been written by a follower of Jawhawk politics, it would be worth reading. This is more of a cut-and-paste for the Western Red states.

twinrockers said...

"The crowds of 100,000 people are troubling. Footage of people screaming for Obama a la the Beatles or Elvis is not becoming for adults and shows a loss of control. Anyone who is given this much power may grow power hungry, and no person is immune to this, no matter how cool headed."

I'd like to comment on this. I am a Filipino. If you guys remember, Corazon Aquino toppled the Marcos dictatorship in 1986. It was a relatively peaceful transition of power with the Marcoses fleeing to Hawaii (thanks to Pres. Bush, the father that is). During Aquino's term, a new constitution was ratified to the satisfaction of all, having representatives from all sectors chosen to write it - church, education, farmers, businessmen, youth/students, etc. After her term ended, we had the first presidential elections after 25 years of the Marcos dictatorship. And by the way, there were not 100,000 people during the so-called People Power Revolution. There were almost a million, ten times more than the people who went to the MI rally of Obama. Bottom line, the quoted lines are not necessarily true.

sunil said...

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