Tonight we continue our Road to 270 series with the Sunshine State, Florida.
LAND OF BEACHES, oranges, old people and theme parks, Florida was the home in 2000 of the nation's most dramatic and profound history-altering recount in electoral history. With 5% of the electoral votes in play, it is a true battleground again in 2008. If Obama wins the state and its 27 EVs, electorally that's all she wrote. If our current projection of Obama by 4.9% holds, then Florida will probably be called early enough to be considered the determinative state on Election Night. If the race closes up, it'll be another long night in the land of sunshine.
Key Demographics
Note: Factors colored in red can generally be thought to help McCain. Factors in blue can generally be thought to help Obama. Factors in purple have ambiguous effects. Except where otherwise apparent, the numbers next to each variable represent the proportion out of each 100 residents in each state who fall into that category. Fundraising numbers reflect dollars raised in the 2008 campaign cycle per eligible voter in each state. Figures for seniors and youth voters are proportions of all residents aged 18+, rather than all residents of any age. The figure for education reflects the average number of years of completed schooling for all adults aged 25+. The figure for same-sex households reflects the number of same-sex partner households as a proportion of all households in the state. The liberal-conservative index is scaled from 0 (conservative) to 100 (liberal), based on a Likert score of voter self-identification in 2004 exit polls. The turnout rates reflect eligible voters only. Unemployment rates are current as of June 2008.
What McCain Has Going For Him
This is the only state that McCain is still contesting for which Barack Obama did not build a primary organizing infrastructure, and McCain fought a contested primary here and won, thanks in no small part to the support offered him by Gov. Charlie Crist (who now wants little to do with McCain). Obama appeals to younger voters by huge margins, and there aren't many of those in Florida. There are a substantial number of military veterans, and McCain has huge fundraising numbers per capita -- his 4th best state. Florida has slightly better than the median for white evangelicals and slightly behind the median for Catholic voters, which adds up to a slight favoring of McCain. Though the population is highly Hispanic, many of these voters are Cubans, and Cubans have tended to be much more Republican than the Hispanic mean partisan lean. Florida tilts slightly conservative on the Likert scale and had more self-identifying Republicans than Democrats.
What Obama Has Going For Him
Barack Obama has several factors that sit to the more helpful side of the median for him and several that sit to the less helpful side for John McCain. In our sociological data, Florida is more permissive with same-sex households and has a respectable Starbucks:Walmart ratio. Also, low gun ownership doesn't help the Republican Party. It's a decently high African-American population state, and above the median in terms of female voters. Florida also ranks in the top third of states for unemployment rate, a factor that favors the Democratic candidate.
Although Obama did not have a contested primary to give him the organizing head start he's enjoyed in every other battleground state, he's made up for it by running one of the most aggressive general election campaigns in terms of offices and advertising, and forced McCain to spend money in an expensive market to compete. Florida has exemplified the repeat of Obama's "bankrupt-Hillary" spending strategy against McCain. Top staffers Steve Hildebrand and Paul Tewes have been dispatched to Florida, reflecting exactly how seriously Obama takes the state.
What To Watch For
How will elderly voters break in Florida this year? Moreover, Jewish voters are not captured in our demographic table, but there has been a big battle for these voters, with both sides actively courting this base vote to the point that Saturday Night Live's recent Palin-Biden debate sketch made reference to that message targeting. Joe Biden plays very well with elderly voters, particularly elderly women, and Florida was one place Sarah Palin hurt the Republican ticket even before her negatives began skyrocketing.
Florida is always dramatic, and early voting will help Obama begin to bank votes. Neither Al Gore nor John Kerry had anywhere near the ground operation that Obama has at his disposal, so you can count on Democratic turnout to be maximized here. McCain also has a large field operation in Florida, and we'll see when we get there in roughly 12 days how the campaigns line up on the ground.
10.14.2008
Road to 270: Florida
by Sean Quinn @ 12:48 AM...see also florida, road to 270
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If they don't vote democratic this election I hope they secede from the Union.
What's the best nickname for Florida? Hell's waiting room or America's wang?
Thoughts?
Don't worry about Florida this time around. There are finally enough of us transplanted Yankees to tilt the state blue.
What is Florida's religious affiliation?
Floriduh!! My crappy home state! Woo!
Or, as Nate calls it, Floridi.
SEAN
so I guess we will not see you until around the 25th then
when you drive west on the I-4 toward Orlando watch for the big highway billboard that says 'NO McSame'
that about sums it up, but we ARE going BLUE this time !!!
also, props for the pimping for Bill Maher's new movie as the title of your previous thread [Religulous]
and thank Brett for another great photo comp from OH
someone else noted that the photo seemed like a composition using the Bible, Revelations 6:8
"And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him."
was the cop on the white horse in the photo a hidden message to the faithful ?
not me, as I am a fallen catholic...
either way - kudos to Brett Marty too !
please share more about your experiences in Holy Toldeo at the Obama speech
Or the Jews call it Flaaahriduh.
Or native NYs call it Florider.
Any can apply really. Let's have a contest.
It is 7 am here in France and the news keeps getting better for our future president Obama.
October 14, 2008
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll: Obama 49%, McCain 43%
Finally, we get to a state that is actually in play!
I don't know if the statistics capture much about Florida. Florida, like all the other states that actually mean things, is a unique case. It seems to be a mixture of different niches, and what makes them tick is all different. Has the Cuban vote this year weakened from being a traditionally republican bloc? Are seniors more worried that Obama is too young, or are they worried that McCain will ruin social security? Are there more southerners in the Panhandle, or Jewish retirees in Miami? How does "Drill, Baby, Drill" play in Florida?
I haven't been more than a mile into Florida (from Dothan, Alabama), so I don't really know the answers to these questions.
Or as my 3-year-old calls it,
Fwoh-widdaw
when will the obama camp release september's fundraising numbers?
OT. I'd love to see Texas turn Blue. The last Rasmussen on 9/29 was McSame +9. (I'm ignoring the ARG poll because they're all over the map.)
@Jonger
Oct. 20th. It's going to be a shocker. I predict $120,000,000.
Is there any possible avenue to a McCain victory that excludes FL? Given especially that PA and MI are staying blue? I seriously doubt it. A blue FL is cause for early champagne-cok-poppage on election night.
we call our state the 'swamp'
northerners are gator bait
natives are 'crackers' - a term of endearment in rural & small town parts of central & north FL [aka south GA]
turtles are 'cooters'
what else ya wanna know ???
Catholic (Cubans) and Jewish in south FL (Miami/Ft Lauderdale)
Southern Baptist in Northern FL (panhandle)
Central is all over the place... definitely a lot Catholic and Baptist but that was when I was growing up some 30 years ago.
I know I'll be ridiculed for it, but I just don't think the fundamentals have changed that much in Florida over the past couple months, though Palin may have hurt a little, Vice-Presidential choices rarely swing a state 9 points as we've seen in Florida polls
From what I've been reading, there are big problems with Florida again in terms of guaranteeing accurate vote-counting, given the ease with which computers can be hacked and the lack of paper voting receipts in parts of the state. The so-called "felon's list" is reportedly even worse this time, too, with people whose names merely RESEMBLE those of felons being knocked off the rolls.
Getting out the vote is nice, but making sure they can actually vote and their votes are accurately counted is another story. I won't count on Florida until there's a Federal law guaranteeing accurate tabulation and doing away with vote-suppression tactics and laws, under penalty of several years in the Federal penitentiary.
@Alyssa,
The Flaaahriduh pronunciation is more of a Jersey and Italians from the Bronx accent than just the Jews. See the movie Donnie Brasco and you'll notice that it's how Michael Madsen and the other wiseguys refer to it.
"Fwoh-widdaw"
FTW. Hands down.
stepper - no way its that high
i say $100 mil
@jonger27
Let's split the diff
$110,000,000
Look if FLA goes blue I promise never again to clutch the wheel white knuckled and curse and spit at elderly folks with FL plates as they drift all over I-95 in NY/NJ enroute to destinations south for winter!
Go Blue please, please, we'll be your friend, my friends!!
Hopefully the youth vote can help tilt Florida blue. I go to the University of Central Florida (in Orlando) and the College Democrats here have registered nearly 11,000 new students on campus. Florida has a lot of very large Universities (with 40,000+ students) including UCF, USF, UF, and FSU. My generation grew up in the Bush era, and almost everybody I know is extremely excited to vote for Obama (myself included).
@ic170
On the other hand, if Florida stays red, call the cops on every Florida-plated car down I-95 and whisper "cocaine."
The beastards.
@Johnny
Point taken. South FL is TONS of former NYers so that would be about right. I swear they give NYers a free one way ticket to Ft Lauderdale once they hit a certain age.
can he still raise money after nov. 4? if he did could he only use to pay off expenses if he still has some?
And Obama is ROUTING McCain in FL right now. Rasfoxssen has him leading three straight times in October (7, 3 and 5 points in the last week alone). Given how Scotty has been giving the Obama the shaft all year, his lead is certainly closer to 12 than to 5.
A poster last week said the Palin choice really turned off seniors, who are more in touch with the idea of their own mortality and thus gave greater value to McCain's VP pick. Spot-on, I say.
@jonger27
He can close out the month. He can use the money for inaugural balls (I hope he would be austere in these times) and to pay off Hillary's $45M debt.
Maybe he can send another $5M to Alaska to help in Mooseburger's impeachment drive.
I'm guessing Obama campaign hasn't released Sept. fundraising data yet because they want to keep the McCain camp in the dark. If they have no idea how much money Obama has to spend in these last few weeks, then they can't plan their use of resources as well.
The Obama campaign is BRILLIANT! They have played this game of Chess perfectly from the start, way back in Feb. 2007.
I can say one thing, I would NEVER want to go up against Barack in a game of Poker.
@Matthew,
I'm at FSU and have friends at UM, USF, and UF. While it's good to have such large state universities and take their advantage in voter registration, it's still frustrating that the advantage isn't as pronounced as it is in most of the large northern state schools. All in due time, though.
Inkstain, is copy editing interesting work?
Thanks Alyssa.
And anything above $80M is mind-boggling. $100M is uber-boggling.
Perhaps BHO could bail out McCain?
FSU alum!
I have crap loads of friends and fam volunteering their asses off in central FL. I think it might happen this year. If it does it'll be close tho.
"Inkstain, is copy editing interesting work?"
I enjoyed it, though I'm into reporting now. You have to enjoy the English language and have a sharp mind for detail. It's less grammar and more "Wait, that headline about a woman adopting three kids and two monkeys shouldn't go next to the picture of two black children." (that one actually was published in a paper at a town near mine).
another new national tracker has decided to make their 'name' by calling it a close race or tossup election... IDB-TIPP
Investor's Business Daily /
TechnoMetrica Institute of Public Policy
10/6-12/08; 825 LV, 3.3%
Mode: Live Telephone Interviews
National
Obama 45, McCain 43
(9/2-7: Obama 45, McCain 40)
O+2 is sure to make the RCP & FAUX & Drudge toplines since it is allegedly within the MOE
but the internals are a mess from what is apparent - and they hide their party ID so it is either not weighte3d or else it is almost split evenly DEM/GOP
Obama leads with DEMS & INDS so howcan it be only +2 ??? WTF
plus the UNDs are extremely high, including the 'jewish' voters @ 20% UND & they combine AA with hispanic - WTF !!!
Nate needs to do a smackdown on this stoopid pollster
@peixegato
Obama is brilliant, but he always waits till the last minute to release the figures, which are more shocking every month.
Like all my friends I am now maxed out. But Obama wants another $28,000 for the Party. Not gonna happen. But I am donating to several Senate candidates who are not yet on the left side of Nate's columns showing lean Dem. I want to get rid of Chambliss and McConnell. Badly.
@STepper
On what date have they released previous month's fundraising totals? I don't remember having to wait this long in the past, but I could be suffering from short term memory loss.
@Alyssa,
Go Noles! Off to bed now, but big up to a Blue Florida and an epic victory in three weeks.
Night, everyone.
i thought they were due on the 15th of each month?
I would be surprised if the Republican voter suppression tactics account for much more than 1%. If Nate is right and Obama wins Florida by over 4% McCain can kiss it goodbye! He'll never be able to steal 4%.
In Colorado the Republicans tried to peel some 19,000 off the roles (according to the NYT), and down in El Paso County they are going berserk taking voters off the roles, and trying to prevent College Students from voting but that's peanuts to how many Obama will win by if the polling is accurate.
The one thing I'm concerned about is that the senior elections official here was literally sleeping with a computer software lobbyist who had a contract with the state. I'm not making that one up.
Meanwhile the Republican Secretary of State who is both running the election AND campaigning for Rep. Tom Tancredo's old seat tried to decertify every electronic voting machine EXCEPT Diebold! He successfully resisted paper ballots, and now we're back to using the same voting machines that expert tests proved could be hacked (which lead to the decertification in the first place). It's a total screwed up situation.
But, I think that the Republicans were prepared to steal a close election, but how can they steal the election when McCain's getting crushed in every battleground state? I don't think they will be able to steal 6% or more.
There's a LOT of dike and he's got only so many fingers!
But the posters who said we desperately need a new Voting Rights act to prevent all these right-wing dirty tricks is right! (And NO! ACORN didn't do anything wrong they were the victims of fraud, not the perpetrators, so our trolls can give it a rest!)
Sorry to change the subject here. In the last group of postings under "Religulous", there was something mentioned about a lawsuit against Obama about his actual birth certificate. Now I've seen the copy online on a Hawaii certificate. The right wingers say it's fake because in 1961, the text would have been typewritten. The fonts on the certificate appear to have laser quality. If he didn't have his original certificate from back then, its still on Hawaii's records and to print another one, it would be done with modern equipment which would probably use a laser printer. Just another trick in the Republicans smear arsenal. How do you all think this will come out? Seems to me any question about his birth place would have been questioned eons ago. Thanks!
@pixie
last month it was leaked early to blunt McCain's hoopla. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/09/obama_broke_money_record.html
But this month it is so shocking it will be released as late as possible.
(Sorry about your name but I am having a seizure trying to get it right.)
inkstain,
you yourself acknowledged that print journalism is a dying field. Why pursue it now?
Also, how transferrable is a reporter's skillset? Do you basically have to stake out W-ston until you get a feel for the town?
The Obama birth certificate lawsuit is bullshit. Under federal law a case can't be dismissed the day after it is filed. It has to play out a little bit. But it is frivolous and there may be blood . . . I mean sanctions.
Vanessa - Why don't you and Inky find a quiet corner somewhere where you can make out together?
It would be smart for them to delay releasing funds as much as possible. It keeps the opposition guessing as well as Mr Stepper and his buddies giving.
FL is roughly broken down to:
North FL: Tallahassee/Jacksonville/FSU (panhandle) is more conservative (In college we called it southern GA).
Central FL: Tampa/Orlando/Daytona/USF/UT/UCF/UF is more moderate to slight liberal.
Southern FL: Ft Lauderdale/Miami/UM is more liberal.
print journalism sucks
dude, I'm a (straight) dude.
You sound oddly threatened.
alyssa I used to live in Tallahassee as a kid.
Almuni Village. Some pretty raucous days.
Fundraising figures released on the 20th - it's been that way for a while.
This is a site that may be of help:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.php
Agghhh 3 weeks feels like freaking forever.
What the hell am I doing? I need to sleep.
Three Road To 270s in one day, Sean - you're spoiling us. :)
In my opinion, Obama is doing all the right things. He is running a great campaign, and it appears to be showing in the polls. I heard he has bought 30 minute time slots on CBS and NBC to air within the last 6 days of the campaign. Anyone know of the days/times this will air? I want to record it!
At first I thought your intro said "LAND OF BEACHES, orange people, and theme parks..."
... which would still be correct, given the look of artificial tans...
Been wondering about the speed of things on election night. What combination of winning East coast states would create the earliest wrap-up?
oct. 29 - 8 p.m. ET?
Also, low gun ownership doesn't help the Republican Party.
Eek!
What percentage of Obama's donations are from individuals/small donors?
Cugel, if you're hacking a computer, why is it harder to change votes by 6% than by 1%? I'm also much more concerned about the shit that's going on in Colorado than you seem to be. We can't count on the 20% of voters who were knocked off the rolls being able to vote. How much of a percentage do you think THAT would subtract from Obama's lead?
Let me make it clear that I do believe, as things stand now, that Obama is in the lead in so many states that the Republicans won't be able to steal the Presidential election. But they can do a lot of damage to Senatorial and other down-ballot races.
Yes, we need a new Voting Rights Act, and we need it 8 years ago, but during the next Congressional session will have to suffice.
IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll: Day One
I'm sure RCP will put this new tracking pol on the top of the list .
Posted: Monday, October 13, 2008
In contrast to other polls, which show Obama leading McCain by 4 points (Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby) to 11 (Newsweek), the IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll debuts today with Obama up just 2 points with 13% (including 25% of independents) undecided. The poll was conducted Oct. 6-12 among 825 likely voters.
@vanessa
I went to FSU when Charlie Ward was the winning QB and sold weed to everyone. Hahaha. I think he ended up playing for the NY Knicks...? But I'm no sports person. UF/Gainesville was the crazy party town. I like a little bit of conservative for balance but Tallahassee had way too much for me.
Obama gets MOST his money from large donations.
He also has by far (and I mean BY FAR) the greatest number of donors ever to any campaign. It's not even close. I can't remember the numbers, but it's completely ridiculous, and worth googling, probably.
His support is as broad as it is deep.
JAMES
you are wrong about your FL assumptions
the fundamentals here have actually changed in the past month
1st, since there was no primary the voters did not get to know Obama like most of the others states did in the spring
2nd, Obama hammered Mccain all summer in ads
3rd, our economy has really collapsed since it is built on development & tourism - both have cratered & got worse each month this summer. no growth [school populations actually falling], no new development, which was the lifeblood for this state, falling tourism
4th, Palin is despised by most Floridians & hurts McCain
5th, 'drill, baby, drill' sounds great in principle - but here in FL everyone lives at or near a coast & it is completely NIMBY so it is a losing prop IMHO
6th, Obama has gone completely positive with his ads in FL & heavy rotation of issues & optimism that people actually like to hear [meanwhile McCain is nasty mean angry negative ads - turning people off]
7th, most importantly the aura of inevitability for the GOPer victory has evaporated in the past few weeeks - it is palpable !!!
Obama enthusiasm is skyrocketing and McCain support is growing weaker by the day as people are now comfortable in voting for Obama & against BUSH
after all, even the good ol'oys in FL now are saying out loud, "Obama is half white, so he must be OK" - plus Biden provides the necessary balance as the experienced white catholic irish man
besides, McCain's 'age' is a big issue of concern @ 72 according to the elderly in particular who know that is too old to be POTUS
so fundamentally, FL has rationalized in the past month that it is not only OK to vote Obama - but it is now popular to admit that you support Obama & to openly dis McCain/Palin
the central FL / I-4 corridor is swinging behind Obama by enough to close the deal.
the south is solid DEM, the north & panhandle is still GOPer territory, but less solid than before
Sean will be able to confirm this when he gets here in less than 2 weeks. the FL DEM GOTV gameplan is strong & growing & already banking votes for Obama
What was the issue between Crist and McCain recently? Something about blowing off a FL McCain rally to go to Disneyland??? I prob have that all wrong.
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IBD/TIPP Polls is from a investors, pro-business anti-Obama newspaper.
drudge removed the Rasmussen poll.
Either he didnt get a leak tonight or it doesn't support his newest meme.
ALYSSA
you have the story sorta right about FL - Crist is reading the writing on the wall & distancing himself already
'Florida Republicans cast blame as McCain trails in polls'
read the whole story @ http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/campaign-2008/story/722731.html
it is over for the GOPers here when Chain Gang Charlie Crist jumps off the trainwreck with 3 weeks to go...
"America4US said...
Sorry to change the subject here. In the last group of postings under "Religulous", there was something mentioned about a lawsuit against Obama about his actual birth certificate. Now I've seen the copy online on a Hawaii certificate. The right wingers say it's fake because in 1961, the text would have been typewritten. The fonts on the certificate appear to have laser quality. If he didn't have his original certificate from back then, its still on Hawaii's records and to print another one, it would be done with modern equipment which would probably use a laser printer. Just another trick in the Republicans smear arsenal. How do you all think this will come out? Seems to me any question about his birth place would have been questioned eons ago. Thanks!"
Since this has come up a few times in recent threads here, I'll chime in with what I know.
Take a look at Yes To Democracy, which seems to be one of the main blogs covering this issue right now: http://www.yestodemocracy.com/
For a less partisan but no less damning (to those pressing the case) and extremely comprehensive take on it all, see: http://www.whatsyourevidence.com/
Basically, the lawyer pursuing the case, Berg, has been condemned from the bench in the past for raising frivolous cases. His work on this one so far has been very shoddy. It'll be a miracle if it's not thrown out in the fullness of time.
Meanwhile, it's tying up a lot of the wingnutsphere in a fruitless pursuit, so it's not all bad.
Nice! Thanks dcm!
I caught just the end of the story on some news show, but it struck me that McCain got "dumped" and couldn't remember enough to google it correctly.
denzil,
let it go. He's American.
Drudge is a complete tool. A rusty old one that got left out in the rain once too often, at that. Why is he suddenly getting talked about on every thread?
And besides, national polls are irrelevant. They are NOT worth obsessing over (don't get mad at me inkstain for ending that sentence with a preposition). Truth is, blue FL = BHO win. In fact, if Obama wins either OH, FL or NC, this thing is over.
ALYSSA
besides, Charlie Crist has his 'wedding' to plan for in Dec...
I am still waiting for my invitation
so funnie, but we shall see IF he goes through with the whole charade
Florida is a microcosm of the United States. It has everything, southerners in the panhandle, transplanted northerners in Tampa and Miami, military, blacks, hispanics, jews, catholics, and evangelicals. It has average unemployment, per capita income, and education levels. It has both major urban areas and large areas of rural farmland. As Florida goes, so does America.
Wouldn't it be something if Charlie Crist did a surprise endorsement of Obama? I think the tone of the McCain campaign lately has turned Crist off. Crist is certainly moderate to do it, but I doubt he has the stones for something like that.
Haha I know nothing anymore of local FL politics... Last gov I knew of was ol' Jebbie boy. Puke.
But this unfolding is such a sign of where the Reps are in the campaign and as a party. It's like they're are all jumping ship. I almost feel bad for McCain. But the party needs a thorough cleansing. i just hope it doesn't become MORE extreme or neo-con. I guess people have said similar about Dems in the past too tho.
Rachel -- I'll be extremely happy to let it go (Berg's case has no merit whatsoever in my opinion), but a few posters here have asked about it recently, so no harm in giving some factual info about it, to counter the lies that are being propagated.
can we please please please get some print css on these pages? sometimes i want to read this on the plane or train. would only take a minute...
http://alistapart.com/stories/goingtoprint/
Crist is an opportunist - nothing more. he is no moderate, but he is not hard right either... but he is better than Jeb Bush, I will give him that
BTW - he has no stones & few scruples either
I doubt that Charlie has the stomache for trying to steal the election for Mccain like Jeb did in 2000 to ensure his big bro would win FL & the POTUS
'McCain Campaign Exaggerates Crowd Size'
WVEC-TV: "The Virginia Beach Fire Marshal's office estimated the size of the crowd to be 12,000. A McCain campaign spokeswoman claimed the crowd size was 25,000, but the Convention Center's capacity is only 16,000."
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the GOPers have been doing this all summer long; so pathetic & they usually get called on the lies...
I'm still worried about why McCain is in PA, Iowa etc . . . what on earth can his internals be showing him that he's still there??? This makes me concerned :(
Florida definitely looks to be close. It's obviously a McCain must win. However, of course Obama doesn't have to win here. But as you say, it would make for a much shorter evening if he did!
Electoral Vote Contest
HELEN
I figure that the other states have asked Mccain & Palin to stay away as they are harming the down ticket races
same here in FL - McCain would do better to pull his ads & campaign elsewhere
distance makes the heart grow fonder might be his only real prayer at this point
of course, he says he has 'em just where he wants 'em...
Helen. He has to be somewhere. And the numbers are bad for him everywhere. Quitcha wureen.
helen,
where else could he go on offense? Plausibly?
Johnny Mac is going to NYC on Thursday to be on the Late Show
is that a sensible move at this late date ???
"Florida was one place Sarah Palin hurt the Republican ticket even before her negatives began skyrocketing."
This is good news by half. I was afraid the average Florida voter thought like my own Floridian grandparents, who were on the fence (they were Hillary supporters) but energized by the Sarah Palin pick, even despite my desperate pleadings about the future I would have to live in.
Haha all those reasons make sense . . . and I honestly don't know what else he could do on offense. I wouldn't be spending any time on offense now if I were him, though. Makes no sense! I feel better, thank you :D
In other news, I heard today on the radio (I'm in Michigan) that the Michigan Obama head person has been moved down to Florida for the last three weeks because they did such a good job here and they want them in Florida now. This is good on two fronts I think -- Michigan is for sure safe if Obama's moving prominent people to other states, and Florida gets help from someone who's clearly gotten great results up here! YAY!!! More good news for Florida!!!
Obviously I can't post a link for this lol, it was on the radio -- but hopefully true!! That would really be good news.
we better go blue this year
if we screw this up again i'm leavin the sunshine state
too hot here anyway
Can you help McCAin out a bit, Sean? Y'know, country first and all that. I need a microscope to see him on the EVD.
IBD/TIPP should be called IBD/PUSH. IBD is well known to be a fiercely right-wing publication and has a pretty clear agenda with this poll.
Folks, the election will come back to John McCain a bit in the final days. Expect John McCain to come within 4 points of Obama. Drudge will carry headlines that McCain is in distance to win. 538 will change it's odds to 2/3 Obama win @ 66% or so. Obama will still win but it will be a closer margin. I expect his win to be between 3-4%. Enough for 320 or so electoral votes. I still think he will win VA but will lose NC and OH and MO. FL may be an upset in Obama's favor. I'll be very surprised if Obama wins OH. Rust belt America just isn't ready for this much change. But it will occur and Obama will win. Wow, can you believe it? An African American named Barack Hussein Obama will be our next President. America has come far and I'm very proud of our country. He's obviously run a far superior campaign and deserves to win. Don't get your hopes up on these +10 and +12's in the polls. They won't happen. Obama will win by 3-4% maybe 5% if he's lucky and that's it. Enjoy it, it will be a glorious November 5'th.
Not to beat a dead horse, CNN has an article on the dreaded Bradley effect WITH AN INTERESTING ANGLE:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/13/obama.bradley.effect/index.html
The main point is that it is the EXIT polls that had the problem, not the pre-election phone polls. Of course this has no bearing on the numbers on this site, but it is a more believable scenario given that the pollster (who could be AA) is face to face with the voter when the question is asked. Then again, the exit polls in OH in 2004 showed a Kerry edge and he lost, and last time I looked Kerry was not AA.
The voters have paid very close attention this year and have made up their mind. McCain threw the most viscous attacks at Obama last week and Obama's favorability went up! WOW!
It's over. McCain has nothing left to hit Obama with. If the public believes Obama is calmer, a better leader, has better policies, is a nicer more likable guy and the GOP attacks are not working, ITS OVER.
SAY GOODNIGHT CHARLIE
coc0nutpete-
Good theory. Even the great god Nate and his divine model predict a tightening of the race. Too little, too late, though, for the mavericky underdog patriot dude.
Uma,
Huh, that's neat!! I hadn't realized it was the exit polls. That's good for this election!
IF the Bradley effect were a current phenomenon, WHICH IT'S NOT, it would be completely canceled out this year by the CPO households favoring Obama.
But of course, CNN has ads to sell and ratings to pad.
And speaking of news organizations, why are these two stories practically unfindable on Google news?
Palin-trooper-abuse-of-power-mess
Stocks up 11 percent yesterday
Explain.
The voter purging story seems to have also disappeared. Why??
CNN Yammering About "Bradley Effect."
The MSM will do anything to pretend like this race is still close, won't they?
In a way that's good because it keeps Obama supporters pumped up.
CAMPAIGN FOR OBAMA!
I had to look up if other people think Lindsay Graham is gay too. My GAYDAR goes off like crazy every time I see that dude talk. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I just find it exceptionally weird when gay folks are Republicans... How can you be a Gay Republican Senator knowing that most of the people who voted for you would hate you if they knew who you really are?
I guess that was a bit off topic... But yes, lots of other people get the same feeling. I'd be shocked if he's not. ;)
What happened to the North Carolina registration figure entry. It was there for a few minutes and then gone ...
coconut pete. I'll enjoy ANY win, even if it's by 1%. But I don't agree with you that Obama can't win by 10+ points. I really think he can. I think his campaign has been that good and McCain's that bad. I honestly think these polls are actually biased against Obama because they are not fully taking into account Obama's new vote registration, cell phone only voters, his huge GOTV operation, and the huge enthusiasm gap. I think Obama will out perform the polls by as much as 5%. I really do :) YAY FOR HOPE!
helen - don't be worried about where McCain is. He's in Iowa & PA because they are normal battleground states that are close in a close election. Where McCain goes really only matters in a close election so that's why he's there.
Mr. Silver made this point some time back - the way things are now - it doesn't matter where McCain is because he can't win - McCain is campaigning in these usual battlegrounds in case he can catch up overall.
Maybe he's focusing on them because they don't do a lot of early voting (I don't know if they do or not... but I know Ohio does.)
That being said, it seems to me like McCain should be putting almost all of his energy into the states that put Obama over 270 - Colorado, Virginia, Ohio, etc --- instead of trying to play "offense" in states that he doesn't need to win. I think it's too late for McCain to play offense.
right on josh
Guys, re the exit polls, according to that article posted earlier today by the guy who worked for Wilder's opponent, Wilder WAS ahead after election day, he had just so badly lost the absentee ballots, the opponent pulled ahead. So there is still no Bradley effect from this angle.
"Even later analysis of the 1982 election revealed the weakness in the Bradley Effect theory as Bradley actually won on election day turnout, but lost the absentee vote so badly that Deukmejian pulled ahead to win."
the article
oy, "Bradley" even, not Wilder.
Right now I have Florida as potentially putting Obama over the top. I just did an electoral college projection here based on this site and pollster:
10/14 Electoral College Projection
Folks it is not over until the fat lady sings, however it is looking more like Obama is going to take this. The Republican party has lost its brand. Palin was suppose to be a conservative? She has lesbian friends (good for her, bad for party's position), she like "Joe 6-packs" ( good for her, bad for the ultra conservative members). We as a country aspire to prove that we are smart people. Thanks to the Republicans, we are the laughing stock of the world - Dan Quayle, George Bush, and now Palin. We need smart leaders not those who will give a "shout out to an Alaskan 3rd grade class. One Pastor prayed at a Mccain even, asking God for his support in defeating Obama. My God is better than your God. They make it seem like that have a claim to God, and that Republican are "true" Christians and democrats are children of the devil. Why do most intelligent people support the ideology of the democrats ? Change is coming ! Can you feel it !! Get ready ! Get ready !! Get ready !!!
Nobody is reading this, I'm talking to myself basically, but the ads have changed in the last few minutes.
I'll miss "Obama Finished?" and "Over for Obama?" and the atrociously targeted McP campaign ads.
just john,
The stories are on Google News, you just need more Google practice
Try searching Google News for 'troopergate' for the first topic, and search 'stock market' to see stories on the world market, or if you are really interested just in yesterday's big jump in the US market indices, search for 'dow-jones'
Maybe there are 2 or 3 people still posting...
I am in AZ and saw a McCain (neg) ad tonight. Why is he spending any $ in AZ?? Wish we had a recent AZ poll.
By all measures Obama only needs ONE MORE state to be "in the bag". I sure hope he does not let McCain squeak out a victory in the only possible way McCain can win (vote-rigging, Bradley effect) by campaigning too broadly for the landslide win instead of focusing on that ONE STATE, be it Colorado or Nevada or Virginia. I say sacrifice NC and IN and MO...to solidify CO or NV.
Julie:
Which part of AZ are you in? I'm wondering if the ad you saw could be directed at viewers in NM or NV.
Dallen:
I think your strategy is illogical, because it's to Obama's advantage to have as many paths to victory as possible. Focusing on one state would be poor strategy.
Michael: I am in Phoenix. I heard a rumor that the Az Republic is withholding a poll and re-doing it because the McCain lead was so small they thought it must be a mistake.
How cool would it be to have a blue AZ? Maybe we will be able to drive coast to coast through blue states!
Any sign of a shift to support for Senate candidates yet?
If they don't get money soon it will be too late to spend it.
Michael: Not to mention, most volunteers and many paid workers want to be near where they work. Most people in Florida will want to stay in Florida, not go to Colorado to campaign.
Colin: first
You win the prize!
http://www.afunnystuff.com/pictures/Forum-pics/You-win-the-prize.html
I honestly don't care how many states go blue. Just as long as there are enough.
What would be really cool would be a Fillibuster proof majority.
hi from france,
no matter the polls, the wishes, the advance of obama.
here's how it's going to happen:
obama will be elected.
mccain will be president.
army's in da house.
curfew decree is ready.
one good thing about this, is that this system will show effectively what it is essentially.
good day, and good luck.
Take a look at this graph, then send it to your fiscally conservative Publican friends.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/10/14/opinion/20081014_OPCHART.html?oref=login
Julie
Er, are there any fiscal conservatives left?
Blame,
You are so right--what happened to the fiscal conservatives?
It is incredibly late here...I'm headed for bed.
Night, all you late owls.
I just came across this article: "The weight is behind McCain, but Obama has the votes" and so I had to make my first post :).
Not unexpected, but the Atlanta Journal-Constitution heartily endorses Jim Martin (D) for Senate over Saxby Chambliss:
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Martin best choice for Georgia
Tuesday, October 14, 2008
In his almost six years in the U.S. Senate, Saxby Chambliss has built a reputation as a loyal defender of President Bush and his policies and as a champion of corporate interests.
The people of Georgia now have to decide whether that’s the senator they want for the next six years as well.
On his seats in the Senate intelligence and armed services committees, Chambliss strongly backed the president’s decision to invade and occupy Iraq and rejected charges that Bush misused intelligence to convince the country to follow his lead. On the Senate Agriculture Committee, Chambliss fought reforms of farm subsidies. In fact, in one of his rare disagreements with Bush, Chambliss fought the president’s efforts to limit government subsidies to the wealthiest of farmers. Unfortunately for taxpayers, Chambliss won that fight, ensuring that income limits for farm subsidies were so high as to be meaningless.
That attitude was most blatantly on display in a Senate committee hearing this summer into the deaths of 13 workers in an explosion at a Savannah sugar plant. A company whistleblower testified to the repeated warnings he had issued to top executives, including explicit written warnings that executives ignored. Rather than laud the whistleblower, as senators of both parties had done, Chambliss questioned his sincerity and integrity and tried to imply that the true villain had been the whistleblower, not his superiors.
To his credit, Chambliss has on occasion tried to slip the leash. He joined a bipartisan effort to craft a humane but effective approach to illegal immigration and more recently took part in a bipartisan Senate effort to find common ground on energy. He also did the responsible thing in voting for the $700 billion Wall Street bailout, a step that angered some of his conservative supporters.
Chambliss is being challenged by Democrat Jim Martin, an attorney and former state legislator, and Libertarian Allen Buckley.
Martin, a University of Georgia graduate who volunteered to serve his country in Vietnam, has pitched his campaign at his opponent’s weak spot by focusing on protecting the middle class. He advocates lower taxes on the middle class, stronger consumer protection laws and an end to corporate welfare. He has also criticized Chambliss’ vote on the Wall Street rescue package, a position that frankly smacks of political opportunism.
However, Martin has a long record of public service in the state Legislature, where he earned respect from Democrats and Republicans alike for his intelligence and willingness to buck party leaders if necessary. He was appointed by Gov. Roy Barnes, a fellow Democrat, to head the Department of Human Resources, and was asked to remain in that post when Republican Gov. Sonny Perdue took office.
He is what he seems like, a smart guy who wants to help his fellow Georgians and doesn’t care who gets the credit.
Buckley, an accountant and tax attorney, doesn’t have the broad range of political experience demanded of a U.S. senator. However, he does offer fiscally conservative Georgians a viable third option. He is an intelligent, honest, and well-informed advocate of fiscal sanity — on both the spending and revenue sides — with a message of responsibility that both parties would do well to heed.
Overall, however, the best candidate is Martin. In what look to be six difficult years ahead, he would do well for the people of Georgia.
— Jay Bookman, for the editorial board
omg !
Obama is advertising in a game
Obama ad in the video game "Burnout Paradise"
Link
CASH $$$
Morning !
Obama returning to NH
Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama returns to New Hampshire on Thursday, one day after the Republican running mate Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin makes her first visit to this key battleground state.
Obama, of Illinois, will speak at a rally at Mack’s Apples in Londonderry, the same location he chose to have one last fall.
Their visits, along with Biden’s, means three-fourths of the presidential ticket will have visited the state in the same week. At stake in New Hampshire are four critical electoral votes.
Obama’s trip will be his third since he finished a close second in January’s presidential primary to Sen. Hillary Clinton, of New York.
LINK
FL voters like all voters are waking up to the inevitability of an Obama Presidency.
With polling data as we have seen it would appear that Obama's victory on November 4th is a foregone conclusion.
Naturally, with three weeks to go, much could still happen to destabilize that lead, but following tomorrow night's debate the press meme will be that Obama has got this thing locked up and is going to win it.
I wonder if this will result in more demanding media focus on Obama as the press shifts away from a focus on the horserace which has become predictable, to greater attention on what an Obama presidency will mean.
Then too, it will be interesting to see how the public reacts to this. It seems that most now believe that Obama will win, but when confronted even more directly with the race having been declared over and given the opportunity to continue to examine the car on the showroom while the salesman prepares the final paperwork, the public may experience a form of pre-purchase dissonance that could cause Obama support to deflate.
The tightening in the polls is to be expected. The question will be how well will Obama stand up to heightened scrutiny and how many of the lightly moored voters who are presently leaning Obama will feel when confronted with the reality of an Obama victory and the being told that their fate is already sealed.
The media will be tempted to call this over, but the voter will have the last word.
for those of you thinking florida will stay red, here are a few tips
+there were over 1.3 MILLION african american elagable voters who either were not registered or innactive iwth the Election's office, (we got most of them registerd)
+There were over 900,000 people aged 18-34 who did not vote in 2004 when they could have, (we probally got 90-95% of the voters in college registered, consider it the same percentage that McSame voted with Bush on policy in congress).
so pretty much, it's over
and how could people not mentioon that flroida is like five seprate staes
1. Panhandle (like the rest of the south)
2. I-4 Courdooor/EAST centreal florida (tilts republican but probally will go democrac this time around)
3. tampa (usually the race here is a point or two off from the statewide talley, watch this part of the state to see what happens statewide.)
4. SE Florida (it's like a state in New England)
5. SW Florida (it's like the panhandle)
I took a job in Florida once. The first thing I had to do was to sign a loyalty oath: not to overthrow the government of the United States or the government of the State of Florida.
I so swore, "as a citizen of the United States and of the State of Florida," even though I had been there but one day, woundering how I could instantly have become a citizen of Florida. But then, a few years later, I left for more fertile ground.
All I left in Florida is that oath and s set of fingerprints so they could do a background check on me.
Now I know it's not a police state. I kinda like Florida, at least the parts I saw (I lived in the northern part, i.e., the "southern" part). But I didn't like the introduction to it: take loyalty oath or forget that job I had just accepted.
I think also, the relentless playing of the race card by the Obama campaign and its media allies is rankling white Americans.
Obama's biggest risk in this election is that he become viewed as factionalist who represents a bunch of interest groups that have been cribbed together to thwart the will of White America.
John Lewis' comments over the weekend came close to polarizing this race along racial lines. God help Obama if he wakes up dormant White angst over interest group politics and the threat of affirmative action to their place in the social and economic order.
Call me racist for pointing out the obvious, but Obama is flirting with fire.
This is the Elephant in the Room.
Let the mindless shouting begin!
Time-CNN battleground numbers coming out ?
One more thing . . . the ACORN scandal sheds light on how Obama's registration advantage may be more apparent than real. With young black men testfying that they were prevailed upon to register more than 70 times, I think we need to discount some of these registration numbers a bit.
Don't you think?
Today's R2K tracking O 52 M 41,
one point gain for M from yesterday.
Boston Globe endorses Obama
Quinnipiac University-Michigan
Obama 54
McCain 38
7 percent undecided
1,043 likely voters conducted Oct. 8 to Sunday
here is the
Link to the poll
PeteKent said...
Don't you think?
Sadly for you and the cut and paste brigade, yes we do.
which is why all we can see in the shit you are cutting and pasting is "my Bottom hurts"
Pity about that "fundamental shift" eh? Ah well.
Quinnipiac
COLORADO
O:52
M:43
MICHIGAN
O:54
M:38
MINNESOTA
O:51
M:40
WISCONSIN
O:54
M:37
Likely Voters
More here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/battleground-polls/index.html?sid=ST2008101400530&s_pos=list
There is no "ACORN" scandal.
Republicans have shown nothing, proven nothing.
Also, by the way, I like ACORN, I support ACORN, and for the first time in my life, donated money to them BECAUSE OF YOU MANIAC 'VINCE FOSTER' LUNATIC LYING REPUBLICANS.
So don't be surprised Republicans when your raving, lying paranoia about "ACORN" results in them being stronger & more successful than ever.
Like everything Republicans touch this year, it will backfire. Ha. Ha.
I see PeterKent has reached the bargaining phase.
"God help Obama if he wakes up dormant White angst over interest group politics and the threat of affirmative action to their place in the social and economic order."
That translates as accepting that Obama is going to win, but haggling over what he can do as president.
So. Whites are financialy & socialy superior, and the are going to get miffed if that changes?
Well, speaking as a white man, tough.
Obama is no black racist, but he IS for equality. That means advancment on merit. You want to stay top of the heap, you have to deserve it.
Congratulations, Nate, for a write-up in NY Mag -
The Spreadsheet Psychic :
Nate Silver is a number-crunching prodigy who went from correctly forecasting baseball games to correctly forecasting presidential primaries—and perhaps the election itself. Here’s how he built a better crystal ball.
http://nymag.com/news/features/51170/
In another piece of bad news for the McCain campaign, Sen. Barack Obama has taken a solid lead in four large battleground states, a new set of polls indicates.
Sen. Obama has double-digit leads in Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin. He leads by a slightly smaller margin in Colorado, according to new Quinnipiac University polls conducted in conjunction with The Wall Street Journal and Washingtonpost.com. His prospects have improved in the wake of two debates with Sen. John McCain, and are enhanced by the fact that the electorate that views him as better prepared to deal with the economy.
[Solid Lead]
Sen. Obama leads 54% to 37% in Wisconsin, his widest lead of the four states. In Michigan, he has a similar 16-point lead, 54% to 38%. In Minnesota, Sen. McCain trails by 11 points, 51% to 40%. In Colorado, Sen. Obama's biggest pick-up opportunity in the West, the Democrat leads 52% to 43%.
MN looks safe for Obama ???
Joe
Lol. America looks safe for Obama.
ACORN registered a small percentage of the new boters Pete, say, no, we do not need to discount the registration advantage.
Tampa is usually safely Republican. But while Dade County is more like one of the lost boroughs of NYC, the Bay area is more like a Midwestern city.
Biden was just here in Tampa and Obama has been to St Pete, but a return visit is due
Past elections have been decided by the I-4 corridor ( St Pete, Tampa, Lakeland, Orlando, Daytona ) which is the battleground boundary.
Maybe he can help evict nepotist Rep Bilirakis too.
One thing that did strike me during the second debate is that McCain is actually pretty good going positive. Its totally hypothetical but I think if he went positive or even went positive going forward he might have been or will be in a much stronger position.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14556.html
Obama leading in three bellwether counties Bush won, and close in the fourth.
Juris;
"Now I know it's not a police state. I kinda like Florida, at least the parts I saw (I lived in the northern part, i.e., the "southern" part)."
The panhandle is politically and socially like Alabama / Georgia.
Florida is not a typical Southern state. While it was a Confederate state, most of the Caucasian population was still in the panhandle even after the Seminole Wars. The rest was swamp...
jj-
He can personally,but his ads must stay negative as the RNC has most of the money and they cannot run direct positive ads for the candidate. They mostly run ads against the other side. This is why Axelrod is a freakin' genius. He has masterfully taken away most of McCain's money.
Sarah Palin's 'Jews for Jesus' campaign is EXCELLENT NEWS!!! For John McCain!!!
If Obama's margin stays this overwhelming, GOP voters might not even bother turning out, padding the margin even more.
Colorado now blue on RCP.
Those Quinnipiac polls are just brutal for McCain. Wow.
"Obama leading in three bellwether counties Bush won, and close in the fourth."
A 6 point lead in Hillsborough (Tampa) is huge.
It should also mean a lead in Pinellas ( Clearwater / St Pete ). This is Florida's highest population density urban area; combined the 2 counties have 2 million of Florida's 18 million residents.
Win the Tampa Bay metro area and win the state.
AS expected, RCP is including the new tracking IBD which shows Obama leading by just 2 points. This poll is older than the Democracy Corp that cane out yesterday showing Obma with a 10 points lead. This last poll however, was not included in the
average.
No doubts about RCP's intentions here......
Time-CNN polls
where the fu** are they ??
Real Joe - Where did you find out Time/CNN polls were going to be released? I haven't seen that.
Other new States #s today:
Missouri and North Carolina from PPP
Rasmussen's state #s
The only relevant numbers from Q-Pac this morning were Colorado (confirming a 10 point lead or so other polls have indicated) and Minnesota (joining the group of polls showing McCain down double digits). Wisconsin and Michigan are old news
i heard that they come out on tuesday morning
Hillary Clinton: Democratic mantra is 'jobs, baby, jobs’
Link
Another FSU student here. I agree with Johnny that a shamefully large minority of FSU students still vote republican. But times are a changing. As a northern transplant, I have dreamed about Florida going blue since moving here. Its a point of pride really; its personal. Regardless of what happens in OH, IN, and MO, I REALLY want to see FL go blue.
Any new states being polled today?
debate predictions ?
slicknickshady said...
Any new states being polled today?
yes
2 PPP polls
North Carolina and Missouri
(Ras state polls ??)
any other ??
CNN's poll of polls has O 50 M 42
There are some interesting SUSA internals for those states where there is early voting.
In Georgia where McCain has an 8 point lead, Obama is ahead among early voters by 6 points and 18% of the sample have voted early.
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=6a397798-d00a-4fac-ae44-cd99e38e4e6b
In Iowa 14% of voters have voted early and Obama is leading by 34 points.
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=1acf389c-6fca-469e-9f9c-55b502cd98aa
In North Carolina, 5% of voters have voted already and Obama leads by 34 points.
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=b8aada59-7fd2-4374-bbe2-df789901eca8
What this means is that Obama can bank votes early (which can't be taken back) and if McCain's supporters suffer from a lack of enthusiasm come polling day and don't turn up in huge numbers, Obama could end up running well ahead of what the polls are saying. He could even have effectively won some states before November 4.
That is why it is absolutely critical that Obama stays on top of McCain for as many days as possible over the next 21 days and that the GOTV effort presses on.
McCain is literally losing this election as we speak.
McCain & the party is so fu**ed
Obama Accuses McCain Of "Lying Again" About Crowd Size
Link
hahahahahahaha
If an overwhelming Dem victory causes the Rep party to shed the fascist / evangelical / fundamentalist fringe, that's a positive for the country.
Factors in purple have ambiguous effects...old people will not vote for Obama for mostly racist reasons. So I'd say that factor is in McCain's favor sadly.
Whites more comfortable voting for blacks
Link
so there are more white negroes now
hot damn.
Charles Crook said...
If an overwhelming Dem victory causes the Rep party to shed the fascist / evangelical / fundamentalist fringe, that's a positive for the country.
Not much left after that
Charles Crook said...
If an overwhelming Dem victory causes the Rep party to shed the fascist / evangelical / fundamentalist fringe, that's a positive for the country.
I agree, I'm looking forward to the day when I can consider a Republican candidate to be a legitimate choice in an election again.
Katy said...
"old people will not vote for Obama for mostly racist reasons."
Polls of south Florida show the contrary. Boca / Miami is huge for Obama.
Trout Chevy Pike Palin said...
When things were calmer the media kept asking "why isn't Obama further ahead?" then the minute he was further ahead they were all "is Bradley effect real?", "Voter registration fraud"...
http://www.google.com/trends?q=TROOPERGATE%2C+ACORN&ctab=0&geo=US&geor=all&date=2008-10&sort=1
think it's the economy
Trout Chevy Pike Palin said...
When things were calmer the media kept asking "why isn't Obama further ahead?" then the minute he was further ahead they were all "is Bradley effect real?", "Voter registration fraud"...
http://www.google.com/trends?q=ACORN%2C+troopergate%2C+dow&ctab=0&geo=US&geor=all&date=2008-10&sort=1
Biting the hand that feeds you:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122393943185530625.html
SEAN:
I would one very important factor to your list:
- Impact of the Real Estate Crisis (5 states have felt it the most:
CA, NA, FL, AZ and MI).
- In FL prices are down about 30% and due to speculators, foreclosures are huge!
- THIS has put pressure on EVERYBODY's home values down there and their net worth as a result.
- People will NOT forget this when they vote on NOV 4th and governing party (both at the FED and LOCAL level) are the Republicans for Floridians.
I believe this will easily bring Obama at least 5% extra voters, vs 2004!
ic170 said...
Look if FLA goes blue I promise never again to clutch the wheel white knuckled and curse and spit at elderly folks with FL plates as they drift all over I-95 in NY/NJ enroute to destinations south for winter!
--
And I'll stop saying "Happiness is seeing a Canadian headed north with a New Yorker under each arm." :)
Be kind to our migratory seniors. Every year we look for their return to signal the start of winter.
new thread
I think we're understating the impact of the economic crisis on Florida. It had one of the hottest real estate markets in the country, and is now looking at one of the most severe corrections. There are lots of retired people on fixed incomes who are now looking at serious losses in wealth because of the housing collapse. The cultural stuff might be important, but the economy is going to be the overriding concern in Florida. The candidate that seems to be more on the side of the homeowner will win - and right now, with his refundable tax rebates for people of low or median income, Obama is winning the pocketbook voter.
I live in SW FLA, Sarasota to be exact. My wife and I are voting for That One because we are bleeding heart liberals. We always say that we are pilgrims in an unholy land here in Sarasota (rich, white and republican).
Just to comment a little on Nate's comments about the Cuban vote. Yes they are normally conservative and Republican. My next door neighbor is dating a Cuban woman that escaped Castro's regime on a raft. Her entire family are now citizens and they are overwhelmingly voting for Obama. These people are all hard working folks and they have been hammered economically here in FLA. And they blame Bush/Johnny Mac for their problems.
link
Florida is requiring the use of paper ballots by all counties as of July of this year, so if any voting shenanigans occur, at least there will be a paper trail. Here in Hillsborough County (Tampa), they're using an optical scan system, which is easy enough to recount by hand.
The thing I continually wonder is the outcry on ACORN, the most it does is inflate the numbers for legit registered voters. Where is the outcry about the highly suspicious McCain campaign mailings to dems in OH and FL????
Also, of far greater concern is the unpreparedness of states to handle voter turnout. I have seen reference to many of the swing states being completely unprepared should any glitch happen, and in some cases even if things go smoothly to handle the possible numbers that will turn out. To me, that is a far greater concern than anything.
I haven't read everyone's comments yet (working hehe), and not sure if this was already discussed, but the Hispanic population tends to be prejudiced as well, especially against AA. If this was brought up then, never mind, if not, this is another reason why Cubans, Venezuelans etc may vote Republican. I also know "a few" that are leaning Repub just because Obama is black, forget what he said he stands for...I am not sure why we dont' have a high youth vote, with UF, FSU, UCF and UM I would have thought we would be ok. As for same sex house holds, yes, with the theme parks it is pretty standard to see same sex relationships as it is to see interracial...kinda everywhere that in theory shouldn't make it a big deal. I agree that FL will be one to watch, but it should tip blue...
David, this is the first sentence of the article you linked:
"The state plans to replace the system with paper ballots, but not until after this election."
Not until after which election?
The original post says, "Florida will probably be called early enough to be considered the determinative state on Election Night."
I'd love to see a "heat map" of this. Based on closing times in various states, and margins in those states, which state will put Obama (or, unlikely, McCain) over the top, chronologically? What time will we know for sure who the next President is?
If you could do it like the "tipping point" map, that would be awesome.
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