10.28.2008

Road to 270: Delaware

Today we continue our Road to 270 series with the First State, Delaware.

LITERALLY, Delaware, ladies and gentlemen, is a state whose three electoral votes are going to Barack Obama. Delaware has gone Democratic by between 8 and 15 points the last four years, so when it goes blue again this time, well, that's not change, that's more of the same!

Key Demographics



Note: Factors colored in red can generally be thought to help McCain. Factors in blue can generally be thought to help Obama. Factors in purple have ambiguous effects. Except where otherwise apparent, the numbers next to each variable represent the proportion out of each 100 residents in each state who fall into that category. Fundraising numbers reflect dollars raised in the 2008 campaign cycle per eligible voter in each state. Figures for seniors and youth voters are proportions of all residents aged 18+, rather than all residents of any age. The figure for education reflects the average number of years of completed schooling for all adults aged 25+. The figure for same-sex households reflects the number of same-sex partner households as a proportion of all households in the state. The liberal-conservative index is scaled from 0 (conservative) to 100 (liberal), based on a Likert score of voter self-identification in 2004 exit polls. The turnout rates reflect eligible voters only. Unemployment rates are current as of June 2008.

What McCain Has Going For Him

Literally, not figuratively, literally John McCain's demographic bright spots in Delaware are small elements, such as the the percentage of military vets resting in the top third, the percentage of voters under 30 not being especially high, and his fundraising in the state being marginally higher than the median. I mean, John's a friend of mine, God love him. But folks, let's get real. Seriously, to say that John McCain is going to win Delaware when his tax policies are the same as George Bush's, when his foreign policy is the same as George Bush's, when his approach to judges is the same as George Bush's, well, folks, I gotta tell ya, that is literally not going to get the job done in this state.

What Obama Has Going For Him

Delaware has nearly everything shading in Barack Obama's direction, but Delaware sports very few extremes. The percentage of female voters (5th highest) and the percentage of self-identifying Democrats (6th highest) are literally the closest categories to one end of the spectrum or the other. Delaware has a huge percentage of black voters for a non-southern state, at over 20%, and 8th on the list. Tenth in same-sex households and eleventh in least gun-owning states, Delaware has literally two Starbucks for every Walmart. That's not change!

What To Watch For

Joe Biden is literally running for both Vice President and Senator, and folks, as my old schoolteacher Sister Mary Catherine McMurphy used to say, he's going to win both races. Mike Castle, the incumbent Republican lone House member, is safe for re-election, and Tom Carper is up for Senate again in 2012. Rumor has it that Joe's son Beau, who literally introduced his dad at the Pepsi Center in Denver for the elder Biden's nomination acceptance speech, is a strong candidate to replace his father in the Senate. Democratic Governor Ruth Ann Minner would appoint someone to the seat for two years until a special election in 2010. Beau Biden, Delaware's attorney general, is literally in Iraq. Literally -- not figuratively -- we've run this joke into the ground.

373 comments

PeteKent said...

Only pigs are holding Obama on Intrade now!

SHERWICK said...

Obama may have been born in Hawaii, but 33% of the USA was born in Kenya!

LAT said...

Slick--as a professor myself I think anyone in a teaching capacity saying things like that to students is very very bad. I think I missed the story but was this done in the classroom as a part of his lecture?

MysticLaker said...

No linky yet....

New Hampshire NBC/Mason-Dixon Obama 50, McCain 39 Obama +11
Montana NBC/Mason-Dixon McCain 48, Obama 44 McCain +4
North Carolina NBC/Mason-Dixon Obama 47, McCain 47 Tie

PeteKent said...

PEW stinks liek Obama's radical, Marxist, Anti-Semetic freinds!

PorridgeGun said...

And consumer confidence was down again a couple of points. That usually translates to at least 1% for Obama.



Honestly, I think these daily pollsters are at the capers. People always say Obama had a huge day and it dropped off, but how come it doesn't stabalise? I can't believe there are actually 2-5% out there who are easily swayed at this point. But apparently these morons do exist, at least in Gallup.

marco said...

Yes, Obama is Hawaiian born, and therefore American...PERIOD! And the coolest thing is that he's about to be elected the first Hawaiian President of the United States!

For those who ever lived in Hawaii (like me) or spent enough time down there to know, Obama is a KAMA'AINA!

Aloha nui!

markymark said...

Don't panic,

Residents of Michigan will be slightly alarmed to learn its not part of the US, given that Mitt Romney was birn in Detroit. Gov George Romney (his father) was born in Mexico however!

Real Joe said...



Miami Dolphins Owner: Sale of Team Should Happen Before Obama Presidency

anbruch said...

OpenID PeteKent said...

Obama keeps losing ground in the polls. Bradley/PDS effect equals 7%. Utter disconsolation for Obamabots on Election Night. Buy stock in Gillette!
For Pete's sake, if you are going to troll, could you at least try harder.

word verification: redicas

Publius said...

iron pipes and bottle caps that are on the desk said...

Man I'm pretty sure there's something wrong with 538's odds. How can Obama have an 84% chance of winning Ohio, but an 80% chance of losing Ohio and winning the election?


Not quite. Nate found 1585 simulations in which Obama loses Ohio (out of 10K simulations run). Of those, Obama still wins the election in 1268 of them, which is 80% of the total losing-Ohio simulations he ran. I think this is what it means, anyway.

It's not hard to find a scenario where Obama wins while losing Ohio: Kerry states + NV + NM + CO + VA = 291 EV and McCain FAIL.

don't panic said...

marky,
uops,
i guess i misread one of the posts above

my sincerest retedies

Tony said...

IMHO, Delaware was a actually a slave-holding state pre-civil war. But even by then, it was economically closer to the north with only very very few households owning slaves.

So it WAS southern, but has not been for a loooong time.

OTF said...

Prediction for election night. This thing is over early. Besides VA, NC is going to go to Obama. All the pollsters are modeling on 19 oe 20% AA and they are showing up at 28% rate. Same with GA, great underestimation of Obama's support.

Real Joe said...

i thought pete was arrested in TN

slicknickshady said...

Hey lat,

I had this teacher 2 years ago. I disliked him then. He wrote an article in the school paper that basically bashed obama for his abortion stance. Basically he meant that we share Obamas guilt about that if we check the box next to obama. I mean he's a really religious teacher so it's not like it's shocking that he has some radical views but basically as a christian arnt you taught that everybody sins? then if you say people who vote for obama will face eternal damnation be a hypocratic stance? I'll post it when it is updated on the schools papers online site.

markymark said...

don't panic,

its ok, I doubt that Sarah Palin thinks of Detroit as 'real America' so at least some people would agree with you!

destsh is my word, that must mean something in Yiddish?

Trevor said...

Interesting quote from hillbuzz:

"Obama will lose a state that hasn’t gone red in generations."

GenerationS? It's disturbing that they consider 20 years to be multiple generations under normal circumstances.

Unless they're flipping the colors.

don't panic said...

real joe,
he is the one that got away.

beware of anyone in white tuxedoes in the next few days.


on second thought, make it always

white tuxedo = the next midesel

jnorthrop said...

"destsh is my word, that must mean something in Yiddish?"

I think the word verification wanted to call you a mensch...

PA John said...

Blogger Real Joe said...

i thought pete was arrested in TN


LOL!!

Christopher said...

I really wonder if all of the pollsters are really betting against african american turnout increases. Seems like a silly thing to do. Or, are they just saying that ALL turnout will be up across the board, so the percentages will equal. For my money, I think black turnout will be much more patient and much more vigilant to wait in lines all day if necessary. I can't imagine a scenario where the percentage of the electorate would stay still. That number should increase all around the country.

Jeff NYC Dem said...

Correlation between real america and palin raliies -- no black people

rodrett said...

petekent, stop watching Deliverance and get with the 21st century.

PeteKent said...

I wrote my first post before I even looked at Gallup. I just wanted to get in here and taunt y'all!

Man, there has been a meltdown!

Obama is in deep trouble about his socialist leanings. Bill Ayers, Rev Wright and the rest add color and veracity to the charge.

Obama's lead is melting down like ice cream on the top of a cone at a Summer state fair.

Here comes the wave of pre-purchase dissonance that will sweep all before it.

What is driving these huge declines?

Statistical noise?

Regression to the mean?

Fear of the unknown?

Discuss!

LAT said...

Thanks Slick for the clarification. It is a tricky thing to embrace your politics in such a way in front of students. I guess at least people know where he stands but my sense is that he already has limited his ability to be a good teacher but that is just me. I am very careful not to bring or impose my ideology on my students. And as you a all know here I have one. I just leave it at the door.

Jeff NYC Dem said...

PeteKent -- he's still above 50%, and you're still a moron.

Eric said...

OTF said...
Prediction for election night. This thing is over early. Besides VA, NC is going to go to Obama. All the pollsters are modeling on 19 oe 20% AA and they are showing up at 28% rate. Same with GA, great underestimation of Obama's support.

Obama will have more AAs go to the polls than the pollsters might guess, but don't assume those early vote tallies will hold up. Early voting points to enthusiasm more than anything. Those voters can only vote once though. That said, I hear Obama is polling higher among Caucasians than Bill Clinton ever did. Highest % white vote for a Dem since Jimmy Carter. He's polling higher among Hispanics then gore did. Gore, who won the popular vote. And, AAs will turnout in crazy numbers. In states like North Carolina, where AAs make up 20% of the population and early voting at a 28% clip, it's likely they'll end up 22%+ of the actual vote. That could be the difference.

Alex said...

Ladies and gentlemen, Sean's Biden joke was literally spot-on. But--and I love this guy, as my mother would say, God love him--but he forgot the repetition. Let me say that again: he forgot the repetition.

sfergus483 said...

--I think it's laughable that people keep arguing about this...John McCain was also born overseas (in a US military base in the Panama Canal), so he's also Panamanian-

I don't know what the laws in Panama are (and McCain was born in the Canal Zone, a US territory, not in Panama), but the US is one of the very few countries in the world when citizenship is automatic at birth.

There are millions of Turks born in Germany and same with Koreans born in Japan who never visit their homelands and yet are not citizens of the countries in which they were born.

I have a friend whose children were born in Japan and Hong Kong while he worked for Chase Manhattan, and they are not citizens of those countries. It just doesn't work that way.

If one is born outside the US and only one of the parents is a US citizen, things might get murky for presidency eligibility - it would probably have to be litigated.

Me, I am in favor of an amendment which would allow anyone who has been a citizen for 35 years - the same age as is required for birth citizens - to become president. That anachronism needs to be changed.

Make the time of enactment ten years after final passage if you want so it doesn't favor someone currently, but it should be done.

Real Joe said...

section 3 is monitoring this site

jnorthrop said...

sfergus483 said...

--I think it's laughable that people keep arguing about this...

Yet here you are arguing about it.

LAT said...

sorry why are people quoting HillBuzz? These people in that site are totally delusional.

homunq said...

A 3000 person poll is worth exactly 3 1000 person polls. The fact that that happens to be only 1.73 times as much as 1 1000 person poll is a different story.

slicknickshady said...

thanks lat.

Eric said...

marco said...
Yes, Obama is Hawaiian born, and therefore American...PERIOD! And the coolest thing is that he's about to be elected the first Hawaiian President of the United States!

For those who ever lived in Hawaii (like me) or spent enough time down there to know, Obama is a KAMA'AINA!

Aloha nui!


Mahalo,

OBAMA OHANA!

LAT said...

More Bible Spice gossip from Draper (the author of the NYT piece on McCain last weekend) from his blog at GQ. Juicy gossip!

http://men.style.com/gq/blogs/gqeditors/politics/index.html

sclathsi!

Jeff NYC Dem said...

Did everyone get their free taco today? Because a base was stolen, taco bell is giving out a free taco to everyone who wants one between 2 and 6!

sfergus483 said...

--jnorthrop said...
sfergus483 said...

--I think it's laughable that people keep arguing about this...

Yet here you are arguing about it.--

Sorry, but the "I think" comment wasn't mine.

Carry on....

PeteKent said...

"he's still above 50%"

Not for long and then it's over. Once he goes below 50% the close states all tip back to mccain and he wins.

jnorthrop said...

sfergus483 said... Sorry, but the "I think" comment wasn't mine.

Sorry about that!

My word is scatbat :0

Eric said...

PeteKent said...
"he's still above 50%"

Not for long and then it's over. Once he goes below 50% the close states all tip back to mccain and he wins.

You're right PeteKent. Thanks for your helpful insight.

One$Earned said...

@petekent,
Are you a pessimist by nature? Try
this, say something positive about
McCain/Palin while not saying
something negative about Obama/Biden.

Go "O"

Simeon said...

@ one$earned

Petekent's not a pessimist. He's a masochist. Which is why he's rooting for McCain.

NoVa Commie said...

PeteKent said...
Not for long and then it's over. Once he goes below 50% the close states all tip back to mccain and he wins.


Ultimately,
What Gallup does
Is help those who are concerned
About the election
That is needed
To help shore up our democracy,
Helping the—
It's got to be all about turnout, too.

Shoring up our democracy
And putting it back on the right track.
So voter registration reform
And reducing suppression
And reining in lawsuits
Has got to accompany lawsuit reductions
And freedom to vote for Americans.
And voter registration.

We've got to see voter registration
As opportunity
Not as a competitive, scary thing.
But one in five voters
Being created in the increase in voter registration,
We've got to look at that
As more opportunity.
All those things.

thene said...

I admit, I sometimes read Hillbuzz or Noquarter just for a laugh.

My word is 'thydruck'. That's a Pokemon, right?

Bobby Thomson said...

About Mason and Dixon:

The survey was done because King George III made overlapping land grants to the Penns and the Calverts. Although it is true that the two surveyed the Western and Southern borders of Delaware (because, at that time, Delaware was the "lower three" counties of Pennsylvania), what many people don't know is that they also surveyed the arc that forms Delaware's Northern border.

As for Beau going into Joe's Senate seat, put down the pipe. First, it smacks of nepotism and would backfire. (Delaware has an unpleasant Royalist fetish -- it is probably the only state where people pay thousands of dollars for low digit license plates so that they can pretend they belong to old money -- but it also has a rapidly changing population and the new blood doesn't cotton to The Delaware Way.) Second, Beau, who flunked the Delaware bar exam repeatedly, is a weak candidate. Third, Ruth Ann Minner, the outgoing Governor, will likely make the appointment and is most likely to pick her outgoing Lt. Governor, John Carney, who just lost the gubernatorial primary to Jack Markell. Fourth, the common consensus among Delaware Democrats is that the position really should go to Carney, both because he is the most qualified of those available and because it will go a long way toward healing the primary wounds. Fifth, Beau had an opportunity to be appointed Delaware Attorney General when Republican Jane Brady resigned to become a Delaware Superior Court judge, and opted to run for the seat instead. There is no indication the Bidens would make a different call now. Last but not least, Delaware needs a Senator who isn't serving in a combat zone.

There's a chance Beau will run for Castle's seat in Congress if Castle makes a play for the Senate seat in the special election against whomever is appointed. He will not be appointed to the Senate Seat.

People who assume that Beau will inherit the Seat like a landed title show that they know nothing of Delaware politics.

LAT said...

thene I totally agree--for a laugh absolutely. But now we have 2 or 3 posters using HillBuzz to get into a snit about PA. For laughs--I am all for it!

podmal.

PeteKunt said...

Breaking!

Rasmussen has Obama only up 49-47 in Pa!

Sarah Palin has connected with the masses! She is a natural in those places where there are a lot of trees!

She has connected and it is resounding just like Joe the Plumber! McCain will twist this around!

538 is in a panic!

Aunt Karen said...

How can a state Attorney General flunk that state's bar exam?

Jeff NYC Dem said...

Petekent - Link, please?

Buzz word finitanc, isn't that what we all are?

slicknickshady said...

pete kent is full of s***t

sfergus483 said...

A question for Nate:

On the national tracking polls - is it possible, with its large sample, that Gallup - aware of how heavily polled the battleground states are, and thus finding more people refusing to answer - is polling more outside those states?
And then, because of time differences, not doing the west coast states?

Yes, this would mean the firm Obama midwest and NE states would still be included, but if those states getting the most ads and the west coast are excluded, might they not get a skewed result even though otherwise they are demographically sound otherwise?

Just a thought - I know with so much oilling going on, there is a concern that the final days' results could be more prone to being off.

Remember - those states most heavily polled are also getting robocalls.

Jeff NYC Dem said...

Slick - of course he is, but even if he wasn't, Rasmussen recently moved FL into lean democratic which is a great insurance policy against a highly unlikely loss in PA

Hank said...

@markymark
> destsh is my word

Gesundheit

rodrett said...

Sure is a lot if tightening going on in PA. What's the average? O+10. What about Virginia? O+9. And Iowa anybody? O+11. And I haven't even gotten to NM, CO and NV.

The tightening republicans are feeling is their sphincter muscle preparing them for next Tuesday. Try some Novocaine turds!

PeteKunt said...

Breaking!

Rasmussen has Obama down 50-47 in Nevada!

John McCain has connected with the masses! She is a natural in those places where there are crap tables!

He has connected and it is resounding just like Joe the Plumber! McCain will twist this around! He is not a socialist!

538 is in a panic!

Eric said...

Come on folks. Give your projections:

Here's mine:

Popular vote percentages: Obama 52; McCain 46 Other 2

Electoral Vote: Obama 396; McCain 142

Extra credit-Obama wins Georgia

House: Dems +24; D-260; R-173 Ind 2 (+1)

Senate: Dems +9; D-58; R-40 I-2

Extra credit-Jim Martin wins Georgia Senate seat

Eric said...

http://www.politico.com/arena/archive/65.html

anbruch said...

OpenID PeteKent said...

I wrote my first post before I even looked at Gallup. I just wanted to get in here and taunt y'all!

Man, there has been a meltdown!

Obama is in deep trouble about his socialist leanings. Bill Ayers, Rev Wright and the rest add color and veracity to the charge.

Obama's lead is melting down like ice cream on the top of a cone at a Summer state fair.

Here comes the wave of pre-purchase dissonance that will sweep all before it.

What is driving these huge declines?

Statistical noise?

Regression to the mean?

Fear of the unknown?

Discuss!


You can do better than this, for Pete's sake. Come on. You're going to lose your trolling credentials if you don't watch out.

Word verification: "Matie"

slicknickshady said...

pete kent is at it again. lol. get a life.

markymark said...

See what Petekent is trying to do is to get us all to panic. But its a bit like crying wolf really. Its like the 6000th time he has done it so regulars aren't impressed!

mated is my word this time!

Jeff NYC Dem said...

LOL - Damn, I fell for it. Petekunt is our old friend "HE". Thanks for the laughs HE.

Trevor said...

I just looked at rasmussenreports and his firm hasn't done anything in PA since the 6th.

Remember, it wasn't even Pete kEnt who posted that poll, although I suppose it's plausible.

Jeff NYC Dem said...

guys, notice it's Petekunt, not petekent, very clever.

marco said...

"The tightening republicans are feeling is their sphincter muscle preparing them for next Tuesday. Try some Novocaine turds!"

LOL!!!

Sphincter muscle tightening is GREAT NEWS...FOR JOHN MCCAIN!!!

whispers said...

Yeah, Nate doesn't express his conditional probabilities very clearly. We see this kind of question on a regular basis.

Subterranean said...

For those who might be interested, Rich Lowry at National Review argues that McCain is more gadfly than maverick. A snip I found interesting:

"When you’re a gadfly, you can flit above the substantive debate, because it’s your posture rather than your knowledge of policy that matters most. People who argued with McCain years ago about campaign-finance reform always were shocked by how little he knew about his own signature policy initiative. It’s been a long road for McCain to get up to speed on domestic policy, and he’s constantly fallen back on one of his greatest hits as a gadfly, his opposition to earmarks."

Mason said...

HE is back?? Goodie!

We get to hear about poles of special forces soldiers in the Marine Core!!!

Eric said...

Folks,this is intriguing. Experts projections. Some Republican, some Democrat.

19 real projections,

19/19 pick Obama to win the popular vote

18/19 pick Obama to win electoral college

1 picks Obama to get over 400 electoral votes

1 picks McCain to win the elction

http://www.politico.com/arena/archive/65.html

Matt said...

Is this a joke?

I don't know anyone who thinks that outside the far right wing of the Republican party.

Santin. Let me say that again. Tin.

Jeff NYC Dem said...

Trevor said...
I just looked at rasmussenreports and his firm hasn't done anything in PA since the 6th.

Remember, it wasn't even Pete kEnt who posted that poll, although I suppose it's plausible.


Rasmussen has a PA poll coming out later today (probably 6pm) He (Scott Rasmussen) was on Fox News and hinted that the nubers in PA have tightened from his last survey. Ras' numbers are always a little conservative, but never suspect, so it should not be surprising to Obama down to 6 or 7 in that poll, especially since the change will mostly be some undecideds going towards McCain. Obama should likely stay over 50% though.

My word: Frophy - is that a prize for Best Hair?

Kris said...

True, you may have run the joke into the ground; however, one of my favorite aspects of this site is that you gave us credit for having the capacity to understand the joke in the first place. Very refreshing.

MysticLaker said...

i think premimum members will get the new ras polls at 3 PM...I think.

sfergus483 said...

Eric said...
http://www.politico.com/arena/archive/65.html

Note to Pete Kent, RWC et al -

He's bitter about it, but Grover Norquist is on record there predicting an Obama victory.

Hank said...

@eric
> Come on folks. Give your projections:

Popular vote - Obama 53, McCain 45, Other 2
EV - Obama 338, McCain 200
House: don't know, Dems +18-20
Senate: Dems +7, Begich wins, Franken doesn't quite pull it off

Extra credit is up to Real Joe for the surprise. Too bad I'll be off the 'net on Election Night, but the TV will be on, that's for sure.

Simeon said...

@ eric

I checked that link with the 19 experts, and I must say, Craig Shirley is a real a$$hole.

markymark said...

eric,

Here are mine
Presidency Obama 53 McCain 45 EVs 375-163

Senate 56-42 (+2 Indies caucusing with Dems) (Much wailing and nashing about Lieberman to come)

House - could be anything, my guess would be around 20 pick ups overall.

Trying to lowball my hopes in the Senate, but I really think on the day people will come out for Obama. I think the 3 most likely extra pick ups for the Dems might be pushing it, much as I'd like to see Chambliss fall, I think maybe even Georgia is a step to far. But if its a runoff with Dems not able to get to 60, maybe the Dems will be able to push out the vote for one last time working on the hatred among Dems of Chambliss.

prairiecomm said...

Howey-Gauge Poll of 2008

My eyes keep wanting to read that as the howdy-doody poll ...

artiongi

PeteKunt said...

It's over!! 538 is ablaze in self doubt!!

TIPP has McCain +3 TODAY!! IT IS OVER!!!

ZOGBY ON DRUDGE..... McCAIN +4 ON FRIDAY!!! IT IS OVER!

McCAIN LANDSLIDE!!!

SURVEY USA NEW DELAWARE POLL!!

OBAMA - 49, McCAIN 48 !!!
BIDEN - 47, THE OTHER GUY 47!!!

IT WILL BE A BLOOD BATH!!!

LOOK AT ALL THAT RED!!

andrew said...

Slick Nick Shady:

What school do you attend? I attended a christian university that was probably 40/60 dem to republican at the student level, but probably 80 to 20 dem to republican at the professor level. Interestingly, many of my former classmates who were vocal republicans in college have switched sides to Obama. Funny how that happens, huh?

CameronsCrusaders said...

Rasmussen had PA at O +13 last time it was polled. He could tease it on Faux as "tightening" and still have it be a 9-10 % lead. Aint no thing. We just gotta vote. Get this shit done with.

Who Is John Galt? said...

um. long time lurker first time poster. i really like the demographic breakdowns for these state profiles "Road to 270" series. Thing is could we maybe get a section or links to all of them for those of us who came late ... we would still like to get fruit cup? Please.

Eric said...

Rasmussen had Obama up in Pennsylvania 54-41 last time, October 6th.

This afternoon, I project 51-46. So what. I actually have a hunch Rasmussen might cook their numbers some. Just my unknowing opinion.

Jerry056 said...

Stocks are surging today +400 now (looks like investors are bargain hunting)

As for the phony Rasmussen numbers, Pennsylvania will probably be Obama +7 or 8 and Nevada will probably be Obama +3-5 or so, IMHO. With McCain being in PA 80% of the last 2 weeks I would expect some tightening but as long as Obama is 50% or higher that will be fine since it becomes a moot point.

Jeff NYC Dem said...

Will Nate and Sean be liveblogging the election? I hope so. Will keep me from having to talk to my Limbaugh spouting Hannity loving partner. As Joe's mother would say, "God love him, but he's dead wrong".

My word: reyopiti

reyopiti? no! reyohope!

MysticLaker said...

Fine

Obama 53
Mccain 45
Other 2

EV 356-182

Surprise: Ted Stevens wins re-election (see sarah palin for explaination)....

CameronsCrusaders said...

@Eric

Fox would have been all over it if it had shown that much tightening IMO. I bet +9 to +10....

markymark said...

ah Jeff good spot!

All this trolling and counter trolling gets very confusing!

anbruch said...

Give your projections:

Here's mine:

Popular vote percentages: Obama 52; McCain 46 Other 2


I'm going to go out on a limb, say that Pew nails the softness of McCain's support, so only about half the undecideds vote for McCain (the others going to Obama, Other, No Vote): Obama 55, McCain 42, Other 3

Incidentally, my guess is that most of the polls are being conservative on Obama's margin, first, because it makes for more interesting copy; and, second, because there is little cost (in terms of prestige) to calling the race with too little margin and a very high cost to calling too large a margin.

slicknickshady said...

Andrew,

Spring Arbor

PeteKunt said...

OH NO!!!

NEW MASON-DIXON MARYLAND POLL!!

OBAMA 46
MCCAIN 46

THE HOUSE OF CARDS IS FALLING!!

MARYLAND FOR JOHN MCCAIN! HE HAS THE CRABS!!

Jeff NYC Dem said...

Andrew, are there any openly gay students at your school, or do they kick you out for that?

newsinOH said...

Joe the Plumber endorsed Republican John McCain for president on Tuesday and agreed that a vote for Democratic candidate Barack Obama would be "a vote for the death of Israel."


Now he's a foreign relations expert and I KNOW he can't see Israel from Toledo

Aunt Karen said...

@who is john

If you look on the left side of the main page, you can find links by date, and by keywords that will help you.

Welcome aboard!

markymark said...

petekunt said,

MARYLAND FOR JOHN MCCAIN! HE HAS THE CRABS!!

now that made me laugh!

Is petekunt actually He in disguise?

Eric said...

National numbers
Obama 52.3%
McCain 45.6%
Barr 1.3%
Nader 0.6%
Mckinney 0.1%

Rasmussen PA polls:

10/6 O+13
9/28 O+8
9/24 O+4
9/21 O+3
9/14 Even

9/28 was 50-42, 9/24 was 49-45

marco said...

Here are my predictions (EV only):

PESSIMISTIC - Obama 286, McSame 252

REALISTIC - Obama 306, McSame 232

OPTIMISTIC - Obama 353, McSame 185

LANDSLIDE OPTIMISTIC - Obama 375, McSame 163

Mighty said...

@Sam:

That's not the quote from Princess Bride.....it should be:

"INCONCEIVABLE."

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

verification word: ovele (Is Google taking a stance on abortion?)

Mason said...

MARYLAND FOR JOHN MCCAIN! HE HAS THE CRABS!!

They have a powder for that you know...

slicknickshady said...

well Obama went from +10 in Virgina Rassmussen to +4 yesterday. I doubt Obama will lose +8 from rassmussen in PA.

War Hussein Obama said...

@ Eric
Obama 55%
McCain 43%
Other 2%

Electoral Votes
O - 390
M - 148

Extra Credit: NC, Indiana, & Georgia go blue.

marco said...

Here are my predictions (EV only):

PESSIMISTIC - Obama 286, McSame 252

REALISTIC - Obama 306, McSame 232

OPTIMISTIC - Obama 353, McSame 185

LANDSLIDE OPTIMISTIC - Obama 375, McSame 163

Jeff NYC Dem said...

Jeff NYC Dem said...
Andrew, are there any openly gay students at your school, or do they kick you out for that?


Sorry, that was directed toward SlickNickShady, not Andrew

Eric said...

anbruch said...
Give your projections:

Here's mine:

Popular vote percentages: Obama 52; McCain 46 Other 2


I'm going to go out on a limb, say that Pew nails the softness of McCain's support, so only about half the undecideds vote for McCain (the others going to Obama, Other, No Vote): Obama 55, McCain 42, Other 3

Incidentally, my guess is that most of the polls are being conservative on Obama's margin, first, because it makes for more interesting copy; and, second, because there is little cost (in terms of prestige) to calling the race with too little margin and a very high cost to calling too large a margin.

Your projection would be extraordinary. I don't know the last time anyone won by that kind ofmargin. We might have to go back to FDR in 1936.

Subterranean said...

who is john galt? -

Blogger allows you to filter by label. :)

PeteKunt said...

Here are my predictions (EV only):

PESSIMISTIC - Palin 286, Ayers 252

REALISTIC - Palin 306, Wright 232

OPTIMISTIC - Palin 353, Rezko 185

LANDSLIDE OPTIMISTIC - Palin 375, Whitey Tape 163

andrew said...

Nick:

I went to Seattle Pacific University. Its like a little red buoy floating in the middle of the great blue Pacific Ocean. That said the college is moving leftward. The college really pissed off a lot of the prominent, conservative alumni by removing the word "evangelical" from the school mission statement. Most of the students come from conservative backgrounds, but most of the professors reject Palinesque views like dinosaurs roaming around during the Roman empire.

Either way, they'll never get a penny out of me!

Eric said...

Obama wins Montana, North Dakota, Georgia, Indiana, and Missouri in my projection

markymark said...

Large recent populsr vote wins that beat 55-42, without even checking numbers, Reagan 84, Nixon 72, Johnson 64. Each of those was approximately 60-40

slicknickshady said...

Jeff, they can kick you.

Basically the are a private institution so the can descriminate based on religion when you apply. I lied on my app that i was religious. You have to abide by rules like no sex, no drinking, not being gay, and etc. They fired a professor last year because the professor had a sex change. He turned from a man into a women. His/Her/Whatever brother and sister in law are still professors here.

War Hussein Obama said...

pete kunt, you arent even funny.

give it a rest, nobody lol'd.

Eric said...

you're right MarkyMark, my bad

InkStain said...

Put me down for 52-47-1 for the popular vote (polling currently understating McCain's support, which will turn out in the end, unenthused or not. He's successfully convinced to vote against Obama more than for him).

Put me down for 360 electoral votes.

Obama wins Ohio, Florida, Virginia, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Nevada. He splits Missouri/Indiana and (in the one big surprise) he wins one of Montana and North Dakota.

He makes thing achingly and embarassingly close in Georgia, and Arizona is within 10 points.

jnorthrop said...

@Jeff NYC Dem...

Is there really a gay guy who like Limbaugh. Isn't that an oxymoron or, maybe ironic?

noldi -- my favorite elf character from Lord of the Rings

MysticLaker said...

Joe the Plumber on fire...

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/28/joe-plumber-backs-claim-obama-bring-death-israel/

Obama brings death to israel!!!!!

slicknickshady said...

53
46
1

Obama wins!

Simeon said...

@ eric

"Your projection would be extraordinary. I don't know the last time anyone won by that kind ofmargin. We might have to go back to FDR in 1936."

Nope, just back to RWR in 1984.

slicknickshady said...

53
46
1

Obama wins!

researcher said...

people are missing a big story from the Pew poll

Obama's percent is similar to other polls but the Pew's results are different, in part, due to 3rd party candidates -- they now have a very significant 4% of the vote! (at McCain's expense) -- this result would seem to be very much in line with recent current events

i'm sure Pew's results being different are correlated to the fact that many other polls don't list 3rd party candidates as an option

But Pew's approach to the $64,000 questions seems to be much better than all others. They phrase it as close as possible to an actual ballot and they even adjust which 3rd party candidates you see based on your state (see below from questionnaire)

NOTE: BARR AND/OR NADER INCLUDED ONLY FOR RESPONDENTS IN STATES WHERE EACH
IS ON THE BALLOT.
Q.3 If the presidential election were being held TODAY, would you vote [READ AND ROTATE
REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC TICKETS FIRST AND ROTATE BARR AND NADER
TICKETS LAST] for the Republican ticket of John McCain and Sarah Palin, for the Democratic ticket of
Barack Obama and Joe Biden, for the Libertarian ticket of Bob Barr and Wayne Allyn Root, or for the
Independent ticket of Ralph Nader and Matt Gonzalez?

slicknickshady said...

53
46
1

Obama wins!

Brian said...

GAME CHANGER ALERT!!

JOE THE PLUMBER ENDORSES MCCAIN!

Wow...that's shocking and really influential to voters.


http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/28/politics/horserace/entry4552582.shtml?CMP=OTC-RSSFeed&source=RSS&attr=Horserace_4552582

InkStain said...

Amendment: Obama wins 367 electoral votes in my scenario. I missed Iowa.

Eric said...

1964 was 22.6%

1972 was 23.2%

1984 was 18.2%

1936 was 24.3%

of course, they were all incumbents.

War Hussein Obama said...

Pew also has the cell phone sample.

Matt said...

Did Joe the "Plumber" offer any insights on North Korea?

Joey said...

Sarah Palin calling for Sen. Stevens to resign.

sfergus483 said...

The margin to watch for is 11 points or more - that would be the biggest non-incumbent win since FDR in 1932 (beating Reagan and Eisenhower).

Obama will in any event receive more votes for President of the United States than anyone in the history of the country.

Sweet....

War Hussein Obama said...

Joey said...
Sarah Palin calling for Sen. Stevens to resign.

October 28, 2008 2:05 PM


i can haz maverick?

Matt said...

Why are Palin and McCain calling attention to Stevens? I don't get that at all.

Thomas said...

Cause their mavericky - duh

Sreenu said...

@researcher, you bring up a good point about Pew

Another important point about the Pew poll is he does not press undecideds to choose one of the candidates..In his last poll (probably will be out on Monday before the election) he will assign the undecideds to each of the 2 candidates and then we will see the margin tighten a little bit.

slicknickshady said...

I'm on my way to my Spring Arbor Students For Barack Obama meeting right now. I'll be back at around 4:00 when the meeting ends. The professor who runs this meeting was a republican for 40 years. He won Jackson County Republican of the year about 10 years ago. He has been a Dem since 2006.

Eric said...

Big change elections:

1932 17.7%

all but 59 electoral votes, 6 states

1980 9.7%

all but 49 electoral votes, 6 states

Joey said...

PS... Stevens will collect $122,000 a year in pension.

anbruch said...

eric said...

Your projection would be extraordinary. I don't know the last time anyone won by that kind of margin. We might have to go back to FDR in 1936.


Reagan-Mondale (58.5-40.5). Yup, but I think this election has every chance of being extraordinary. (Admittedly, the more likely scenario is 5-8% spread.)

Word verification: "dedfab." I wonder what that says about my predictive abilities. :)

Jeff NYC Dem said...

jnortrop said...
@Jeff NYC Dem...

Is there really a gay guy who like Limbaugh. Isn't that an oxymoron or, maybe ironic?


Unfortunately. He "will never vote for a national Democrat because your party hates our country and blames America first!". Also, he says he's a republican because he's not a single issue voter, whatever. That's what I'm up against. No nuance to his positions whatsoever. In other words he's like nearly every other Republican I know.

prairiecomm said...

great conversation w/ a couple of cartoonists this am on npr

they pointed out that things are going to get dismal when Obama is president because he doesn't gaffe or make mistakes and they'll have nothing to laugh at.


also, can't remember where .... someone pointed out that PA is philly in the east, pittsburg in the west and alabama in the middle.

chedru!

Andrew said...

Prediction:

PV: Obama 54, McCain 45, Other 1
EC: Obama 396, McCain 142 (Obama takes all swing states + GA, MT, ND)

Eric said...

If Obama wins Colorado, Virginia, Nevada, Iowa, New Mexico and Kerry states, he's at 291.

If he loses Pennsylvania, he'd still be at 270 without anymore help.

Of Colorado, Virginia, New Hampshire, Iowa, New Mexico, Nevada, which might Obama lose. I suppose if he loses PA, then who knows. I'm just saying, I think he's almost definitely going to win all of those states, in which case PA is irrelevant.

prairiecomm said...

we would still like to get fruit cup

we can only hope there'll be a book!


authona

geeze, the word verification is an oracle - posted before I scrolled down to it

Eric said...

Andrew said...
Prediction:

PV: Obama 54, McCain 45, Other 1
EC: Obama 396, McCain 142 (Obama takes all swing states + GA, MT, ND)

My same exact projection. I'm even with you on Pennsylvania. Can't quite give him West Virginia or Omaha.

Simeon said...

@ eric

Add to "big change elections":

1952 10.85% margin
All but 89 EVs for Eisenhower

(The largest margin for a non-incumbent since FDR in 1932)

InkStain said...

"Is there really a gay guy who like Limbaugh. Isn't that an oxymoron or, maybe ironic?"

Limbaugh himself is a closeted homosexual. There were some funny stories from his Pittsburgh DJ days.

researcher said...

from Pew:

Just as ominous for the Republican candidate, Obama holds a 53% to 34% lead among the sizable minority of voters (15%) who say they have already voted. Among those who plan to vote early but have not yet voted (16% of voters), 56% support Obama, while 37% support McCain.

but this news is even better that it sounds for Obama because there is barely any early voting in the northeast which is where Obama's support is the strongest

prairiecomm said...

Is this a joke?

I don't know anyone who thinks that outside the far right wing of the Republican party.



lol

noble ... hmmm?

Eric said...

Limbaugh and Cindy need a scrip for some Oxycotin filled ASAP. Just joking, I know, I'm mean.

Charles Crook said...

Georgia:

M 48
O 47

http://www.insideradvantagegeorgia.com/restricted/2008/October%202008/10-28-08/Georgia_Poll102819642.php

LAT said...

prairie that was Carville who said that. But most use that to say Obama won't win and I don't see it.

are you guys not kidding about Joe the Plumer saying that bs about Israel? are these people on crack?

jnorthrop said...

Jeff NYC Dem said... "Unfortunately. He "will never vote for a national Democrat because your party hates our country and blames America first!". Also, he says he's a republican because he's not a single issue voter, whatever. That's what I'm up against. No nuance to his positions whatsoever. In other words he's like nearly every other Republican I know."

Too funny. I guess the country really is diverse.

anbruch said...

GAME CHANGER ALERT!!

JOE THE PLUMBER ENDORSES MCCAIN!

Wow...that's shocking and really influential to voters.


Damn, and I already voted for Obama. Had I only known JTP, I'd have followed you to the gates of Hell.

'Cuz I'm a (word verification:) "reffecon."

MysticLaker said...

new thread

SP said...

Prediction:

PV: Obama 51 McCain 48 Other 1

EC: Obama 306 McCain 232

STepper said...

I wasn't going to post anything (there is nothing more to say!) but my word verifier is "photedge."

Gerbie said...

PeteKunt said...
John McCain has connected with the masses! She is a natural in those places where there are crap tables!

Spot on,

I sai hey babe take a walk on the wild side! McCain's had a sex op! October surpriseQ

Mason said...

Joey said...
PS... Stevens will collect $122,000 a year in pension.


Not for very long. Dude's old. He snowmachined on some of the ice that's breaking off of Alaskan glaciers' ablation zones back when it was snow at the accumulation zones.

kittles93 said...

Some folks in Ohio say the Joe The Plumber stuff has backfired in the state.

Be interesting to see what the polls are in a few days after the latest from Joe.

Jeff NYC Dem said...

Yes, jnorthrop. What's amazing is he's still with me since he's a hardcore practicing catholic and I'm an unapolagetic atheist. Actually, it's more surprising that I'm still with him, given my intense disdain for religion -- especially with my politics

Andrew said...

@eric

I'm even with you on Pennsylvania.

Bonus prediction: Obama will come closer to winning TX than McCain will come to winning PA.

Seretse said...

InkStain said...
"Is there really a gay guy who like Limbaugh. Isn't that an oxymoron or, maybe ironic?"

Limbaugh himself is a closeted homosexual. There were some funny stories from his Pittsburgh DJ days.


Is that a joke? Care to elaborate?

prairiecomm said...

Sarah Palin calling for Sen. Stevens to resign.

you gotta watch out for 'biting the hand that feeds you'

palin was director of his 527, Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc.;

and you all prob already know that
Stevens had been helpful to Palin during her run for governor, swooping in with a last moment endorsement. And the two filmed a campaign commercial together to highlight Stevens's endorsement of Palin during the 2006 race.

Shortly after Palin was announced as McCain's vice presidential pick, the ad was removed from her gubernatorial campaign web site. It remains available on YouTube.


prowerse

AxmxZ said...

Prediction:

Popular vote:

Obama 52.1
McCain 46.2

EV:

Obama wins.

Pessimistic: 291-247
Realistic: 311-227
Optimistic: 353-185
Landslide optimistic: 382-156

Cody said...

Some good stuff on 'undecides'...

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/late_deciders_in_recent_presid.php

InkStain said...

"Is that a joke? Care to elaborate?"

It's an unconfirmed rumor, but there are some legs to it.

Limbaugh fits the profile of a closeted gay man, he had a "mentor" in his early career who was openly gay and largely responsible for his career. He was fired in 1973 from a local Pittsburgh radio station, and there have been several accounts that the rumor around town was that he had been arrested in a known gay pickup spot for "pandering."

It could all just be urban legend, but the rumors have been around forever.

Cody said...

"The polling history as a whole clearly shows that the 42% figure represents the impenetrable bottom of McCain's base, and Obama gained a full 3 points over his previous high figure. For the last two weeks, the tracks have been roughly parallel with today's graph showing an eight point spread and 6.5 spread of undecided.

Dr. Sam Wang over at PEC has an interesting article about "undecided" voters often having a subthreshold or latent decision already made.

It strikes me that this is what we are seeing in the national graph, and, that could we measure the latent decision, there would actually be an 8% bias in the "undecided" pool toward Obama that will reflect in a final result of 55.7% Obama and 44.3 for McCain."

http://election.princeton.edu/2008/10/27/the-undecided-brain/

Seretse said...

Crist extends early voting to 12 hour shifts until sunday.

He must be really unhappy with McCain.

AxmxZ said...

Actually, let me amend that:

Pessimistic: 291-247
Realistic: 311-227
Optimistic: 364-174
Landslide optimistic: 393-145

Joda said...

PorridgeGun said...
Gallup are really starting to get on my tits, likewise the other daily trackers. But it does confirm, as I said yesterday, that Obama has had a significant drop-off across the board. The question is, WHY??? The Republican ticket is imploding, morale is low, yet nationally it's tightening. Nate is surely scaratching his head, slso. How McCain gets any bounce at this point is beyond me. I mean, 3%. WTF???


My guess is the fear of a democratic controlled house/senate/whitehouse...the notion that there will not be balanced control I think has 'scared' some independents back toward McCain even though they might not fully support him.

It's the reason I can come up with considering how pitiful his campaign has been.

Jason K. said...

Actually, Delaware was a slave state (literally!!).

Howie said...

Heh...this installment really makes me hope you're going to go beyond the promised 50 states and include a "Road to 270" for DC (hey, we might not have representation, but we've got 3 electoral votes, dadgumit!). Because I literally think McCain has even less going for him here in DC than he does in Delaware. Literally.

In the last five or so elections, the Republican candidate got exactly 8% in DC. Literally. The Democrat got anywhere from 85 to 90. It's the corest of core, um, electoral divisions? And it's the reason there's so many "fake" Virginians ruining their good state. DCers moving further out and into VA.

nut_cookie said...

Speaking as a native Delawarean (and the people making smart-assed remarks can kiss it), yeah Biden's seat is most definitely safe. People are used to Biden in the same way people are used to Castle. We know them, for the younger citizens we grew up with them in office and they represent the norm.

I would love to see Beau run and replace his dad.

Also...yes, Delaware is definitely going blue this year. =D

egapre said...

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