Today we continue our Road to 270 series with the Golden State, California.
COASTALLY URBAN AND MAVERICKILY LIBERAL, California is one of only four majority-minority states (TX, HI, NM) in the nation. It’s a guaranteed 55 electoral votes for Barack Obama, as it has been for every Democrat since 1992. It has the smallest percentage of rural voters in America. Ironically, it's a state both candidates have visited far out of proportion to the closeness of the race, because both sides need wealthy donors who populate the state. Over ten percent of the Five hundred Thirty Eight electoral votes in play in a presidential election are represented by California.
Key Demographics
Note: Factors colored in red can generally be thought to help McCain. Factors in blue can generally be thought to help Obama. Factors in purple have ambiguous effects. Except where otherwise apparent, the numbers next to each variable represent the proportion out of each 100 residents in each state who fall into that category. Fundraising numbers reflect dollars raised in the 2008 campaign cycle per eligible voter in each state. Figures for seniors and youth voters are proportions of all residents aged 18+, rather than all residents of any age. The figure for education reflects the average number of years of completed schooling for all adults aged 25+. The figure for same-sex households reflects the number of same-sex partner households as a proportion of all households in the state. The liberal-conservative index is scaled from 0 (conservative) to 100 (liberal), based on a Likert score of voter self-identification in 2004 exit polls. The turnout rates reflect eligible voters only. Unemployment rates are current as of June 2008.
What McCain Has Going For Him
No doubt about it, California's 55 EVs are going to hurt. California alone is 20% of the total needed to win the presidency. John McCain does have a few factors that shade in his direction. Despite being home to numerous universities, California is on the low end of the education level scale. It also has a relatively high ratio of male voters, and McCain’s fundraising here is strong. Relatively apathetic voter turnout counts for some dampening of the youth turnout, but that's about the extent of the good demographic and political data that favors the Republican.
What Obama Has Going For Him
With a Starbucks:Walmart ratio that high (2d biggest ratio), Barack Obama is on safe ground. In addition, sociological factors favor the Democrat, given that the state has the fifth highest same-sex household percentage to go along with low gun ownership rates and low reporting of “American ancestry.” Unlike Alaska with the highest, California has the 3d lowest military veteran percentage. Though African-American population puts it in the median, California’s Hispanic population is 2d highest nationwide, and it’s got the 6th highest percentage of voters 18-29 along with the 7th lowest percentage of voters over 65.
What To Watch For
Though Hillary Clinton's campaign argued that because Barack Obama didn't win this "big state" in the primary, he wouldn't be able to win it in the general election, there's really nothing to hold your breath about at the presidential level. The highly accurate Field Poll put Obama up 16 points in mid-September, and that was before the recent financial crisis that caused his numbers to spike upward nationwide. California's gubernatorial race isn't until 2010, and neither Senate seat is up for grabs this year, so to the extent it exists all the drama is in the House. Democrats are putting the most resources into flipping California's 4th CD -- a large district stretching across the northeast sector of the state -- where the incumbent Republican John Doolittle is retiring under the weight of his corruption and federal investigations. For that open seat, Democrat Charlie Brown is running against Republican Tom McClintock, who lives hundreds of miles away in Thousand Oaks, CA.
10.06.2008
Road to 270: California
by Sean Quinn @ 12:32 PM...see also california, road to 270
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How the next election will be stolen:
http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2008/09/spoonamore-reveals-plan-to-steal-next.html
We need to take action.
http://www.verifiedvoting.org/
I live in San Francisco and its Blue for Obama as far as the eye can see around here. Sarah "I Can See Russia" Palin was here the yesterday fund raising (she said that Afghanistan is our neighbor! haha), but thats not going to do much to redden up this state beyond the existing base in Orange County and San Diego.
PA Morning call daily tracker:
Obama 49
McCain 38
(O+11)
SUSA New Hampshire:
Obama 53
McCain 40
SUSA Virginia:
Obama 53
McCain 43
Suffolk Virginia:
Obama 51
McCain 39
Suck on that
Hey, I go to Starbucks AND Walmart and I am voting for Obama! I refuse to believe it's one or the other.
There are so many Obama bumper stickers here in San Francisco that I didn't bother putting one on my car.
I put the "No on Prop. 8" sticker on instead.
those virginia polls are BLOWING MY MIND!
MY HEART IS RACING WITH EXCITEMENT!!!
Holy shit@the VA numbers!!
And on the day the Dow goes under 10,000 for the first time in 4 years, the Arctic moron is busy barking on about some silly guilt-by-association crapfest.
Btw...these numbers are getting worse for McCain since the Biden/Palin debate.
Virginia polls feel like they mark the end of the race. Obama needs confirmation of one more solid state to put him over the top to 270. This seems to be Virginia. Those polls are fantastic!!! They're already voting there and AA are likely underrepresented in both polls. The only internals thing I'd worry about is it seems they interviewed more self-identified Dems in both polls. Isn't the state about even in Voter ID breakdown?
Nate - why is there a slight beige tint to the "return on investment" in California? I seems by all standards to be completely out of reach for McMoose. Are the candidates actually spending money in places like Cali and Texas?
I've expected an EV landslide for Obama all along, but this....OMG!
My neck of the Sac valley is all Obama: signs everywhere.
We did once see a McCain/Palin bumper sticker but the car had out of state registration.
Without waiting for Nate, if you need a ton of EVs to get back in the game...even if its hopeless, better to fight hopeless fight that wins if you succeed than not.
Since the McSame camp is now rehashing outrageous Ayers claims, is it now time to exploit Palin's Anti-American Alaska Independance Party affiliation?
Is Virginia a state that doesn't register by Party ID? If so, it means that the polls Voter ID (Dem/Rep/Indy) breakdown could be exactly right, but it also means they could have trouble getting an accurate poll out. Just trying to figure it out, because we've had polls all over the place in Virginia. If Obama is really up around 10-12 points in a state that's already voting, that could be the tipping point we've been looking for
PA Morning call daily tracker:
Obama 49
McCain 38
(O+11)
SUSA New Hampshire:
Obama 53
McCain 40
SUSA Virginia:
Obama 53
McCain 43
Suffolk Virginia:
Obama 51
McCain 39
* balls explode *
The VA polls must make WV look so ignored. Neither campaign has scheduled any events there, but both are campaigning in OH, PA, VA. I would think that an event in Wheeling or Charleston would draw from neighboring states.
Eric,
Your suspicions are correct. Virginia does not register or track Party ID at all. It is not permitted for registrars to inquire as to political party affiliation.
Real Joe,
I love it when your balls explode!
2much2lose: Obama put the Keating ad up on the web yesterday (or ??today), so they might not need to use the secessionist stuff yet.
That polling data is exciting...
Off topic but interesting.
Sean - Thank-you for your smart writing and balanced reporting. For old political junkies this site is like crack! I have to limit my exposure or I start to go into shock.
I wish Obama was better at the first thirty seconds of his contact during debates and trail speeches - he is so dry sometimes - more an intellectual then the mythical feelings that voters need. But maybe that dryness and predictability is really working for him with all this fiscal mess and instability.
I interviewed Steven Denning on how to connect emotionally with disinterested parties in the first thirty seconds using storytelling on my podcast. I wish I had a way getting Obama’s speech writers to listen to that episode as it would really help him connect in the debates.
And the Virginia polls are still showing McCain getting 10+% of the AA vote. No way that's happening.
this is crazy
how can this happen ??
:-(
What would it take for California to vote Republican sometime in the next generation? A VERY popular centrist Republican where CA is his/her home state?
Georgia Research 2000:
McCain 50
Obama 43
McCain +7
Hey, even San Diego (the city, not the county) has more Democrats registered than Republicans, and the margin's growing.
This is the inflection point of the campaign. If the media and the public decide that McCain and his lap dog are engaging in the same old gutter politics, this thing could turn into a landslide.
The problem they have is that all these stories are old and have been investigated. Unless there is some new significant fact, it looks like a desperate measure to raise this at a time of economic crisis. And let's be clear; Palin is talking about Ayers and using the words "fear" and "afraid" in every speech now. This is a deliberate strategy to divert attention from the economy that they have even been stupid enough to admit to.
If I were Obama I would challenge McCain to put up or shut up. He should challenge McCain to have the balls to say this stuff to his face tomorrow night (rather than hiding behind his retarded sidekick) or debate the issues that really concern America. Either way McCain loses.
I want to see Obama feisty and punchy and if McCain so much as strays over the line, Obama needs to quote from Gladiator.
"Senator, the time for dishonoring yourself will soon be at an end".
Links to the above polls?
Obama has Keating teed up for tomorrow. This way if McCain goes into the gutter, Obama has a response. McCain is a decent man, but feeling desperate he may get super-nasty tomorrow like prey trapped in a corner.
If they amend the Constitution, the Gropenator would probably be interested in running.
I believe Arnold might be looking at the Senate though initially if Feinstein runs for gov.
Schmidt cannot believe his negative attack politics are not working. HAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAA!
Emono
If an Ahnold-like republican could ever get nominated without having to tack right like McCain has, that candidate would be competitive in California. Of course, Ahnold is somewhat to the left of even the old McCain and quite a bit to the left of the new "improved" version.
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EmonOkari said...
What would it take for California to vote Republican sometime in the next generation? A VERY popular centrist Republican where CA is his/her home state?
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Of American birth.
Schmidt is no Rove. There's only one Rove. For different reasons Axelrod and Plouffe will go down as the next Carville and Begala.
SUSA Virginia:
Obama 53
McCain 43
Suffolk Virginia:
Obama 51
McCain 39
Ah, this must be the Ralph Stanley bounce.
We should fear that we don't live in a democracy any longer. The cyber security
with current voting machines is in the bronze age and paid GOP computer hackers
alter results going from polling stations to district offices which total the
results. Also, GOP members in office are purging voters in VA, MO, and LA. Please
see the videos and sites below, then call the Obama campaign to express your concern
and voice your opinion (especially if you are a contributor like I am) and tell them
you want something done about it.
Obama campaign number is 1-866-675-2008 and press option 6 to speak to a volunteer.
They are answering the phone 7 days a week.
>>>
How the next election will be stolen:
http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2008/09/spoonamore-reveals-plan-to-steal-
next.html
>>>
We need to take action:
http://www.verifiedvoting.org/
>>>
The voter purging in Virginia (and in general):
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/voter_purges
>>>
It is our responsibility to take action. Call someone, write someone, pass this
along, talk about it, etc. We can't just sit idle and read about these things that
are happening in our country and be passive.
Please act somehow in whatever way you are comfortable with doing. I hope these
sites and videos educate you on what is really going on with the GOP and that we
need to do something... anything, except sit idly behind our keyboards.
Please act now.
Gallup 50-42 Obama.
Gallup 50-42
what now!
how bout them apples!
These new polls are great news!!! For President Barack Obama!
I apologize for forgetting to disable word wrap before I copied the above post over. :-/
I lived in John Doolittle's district for two years. He was involved with Jack Abramov in the Marianas Island scandal involving sweatshop operations with Made in the USA labels. He is a totally corrupt person who is strongly connected with the Mormon church. Charlie Brown gave him a run for his money in 2006. The Repugs have brought McClintock who ran against the governator in the primarys and lost in 2006. He's a certified conservative and may have appeal to this mixed urban and rural area. The district extends from east of Sacramento to the Nevada Border and includes the CA portion of Lake Tahoe, then it runs north through the Sierra to include Nevada county and the next one up. It's a huge geographical area with a beurgoning urban population around Roseville and Lincoln. The mortgage meltdown has been devastating in these areas, especially Lincoln where they cannot raise enough tax $ to run the schools that were built in boom times. A boost for Charlie Brown, a retired AF colonel, would be a move to better representation for that area.
Bobby May, McCain campaign representative in Buchanan County, Virginia, shows his true colors:
http://www.latimes.com/media/acrobat/2008-10/42750415.pdf
Brad said...
Links to the above polls?
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Their at RCP.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html
darÃo said...
Gallup 50-42 Obama.
noooooooooooooooooooooooo.... :-(
I feel like i am DREAMING
12 point lead in GALLUP FOR OBAMA?!?!?
no fucking way
link me
I do not believe this
what is happening
I'm SO HAPPY!!!
They're
@otf:
Georgia Research 2000:
McCain 50
Obama 43
McCain +7
This confirms Nate's post from earlier this morning that Georgia might actually be in play.
markedman said...
I feel like i am DREAMING
12 point lead in GALLUP FOR OBAMA?!?!?
no fucking way
link me
I do not believe this
what is happening
I'm SO HAPPY!!!
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No wonder you can't believe it... The lead is 8 points (50-42).
Uh, Markedman,
That's an 8 point lead in Gallup.
Still good, but not 12. Here's the link
@markedman:
I feel like i am DREAMING
12 point lead in GALLUP FOR OBAMA?!?!?
I think it's actually 50-42, which is +8 for Obama. You may have confused your 0's and 2's.
Although you're more than welcome to prove me wrong. ;)
The 8 point lead in Gallup is huge. Gallup's report yesterday (when the lead was 7) stated that the last two days polling was closer than the oldest day of the 3 day sample. So the lead should have dropped today. The fact that it increased must mean that Obama had a huge day yesterday (10 points plus) which was at the height of the controversy over Palin's comments.
The short term impact of the McCain gutter strategy appears to be a net gain for Obama. This appears to be supported by his increased leads in the Rasmussen and Battleground trackers and these magnificent state polls taken over the weekend.
What to watch for inthe CA election? How about constitutional amendments restricting abortion and marriage equality?
Haha
Mark
are you drunk ?
San Diego has plenty of Dems, usual problem is getting them out to vote. GOP has done excellent GOTV in San Diego over the years. This year we might beat them.... saw more Dem votes in my precinct at the primaries than I've ever seen before in a very Republican area, usually 2-1 Rep over Dem/Indy this time about even.
Palin is ripe for some negative attacks, now that she has thrown the first punch.
My favourit whould be to find one of those rape victims who was charged for a rape kit, and let her tell her story.
@charles crook:
The VA polls must make WV look so ignored. Neither campaign has scheduled any events there, but both are campaigning in OH, PA, VA. I would think that an event in Wheeling or Charleston would draw from neighboring states.
The latest polls I see for WV show a single-digit McCain lead, and that's pre-debates. With nearly identical demographics and a worse economic situation, I would be shocked if it wasn't in play now.
haha
I'm a fool
I misread
HAHA
not drunk
well I guess I was on those VA numbers
haha
WHOOPS
Real Joe said...
"this is crazy
how can this happen ??
:-("
McCain is a terrible candidate who is the GOP representative only because their field of candidates to pick from was atrocious. But then again it is hard to find the best candidate when you first exclude everyone who isn't a privileged, protestant, white, male (maybe I should switch to GOP since I actually fit this criteria).
The GOP is currently devoid of ideas. They have reverted back to memes of the "weak liberal" or the "tax and spend liberal" which just don't work in this campaign. Since we balanced the budget under Clinton and then a GOP Pres and congress promptly blew it all to hell, they have ceded fiscal responsibility to the Dems.
McCain has been unable to put forward new or interesting ideas, rather he has tried to jump the bandwagon no a number of Obama's while criticizing him at the same time. This isn't entirely McCain's fault as the GOP is beholden to so many interest group that they simply cannot adapt to changing conditions. This is why you have McCain preaching for tax cuts he opposed 8 years ago and why he picked a VP candidate that is obviously unqualified and not his first choice. The GOP cast its die in with the Religious Right, Neo-Cons and Supply Siders, now when those ideas are proven failures the GOP has nowhere to go but to smear politics.
gk: I'm active in the No on prop. 4 campaign (parental notification). It already went down in flames TWICE at the polls. This is the third try for the fundies on this issue, and now they want it as an amendment. :(
Polls currently show it would pass by a slight margin right now. The primary difference is there are more Hispanic voters this time around than the last 2 times.
We are still working on getting the word out on how dangerous this would be if it passes.
Just wondering...is there any reason to think that dem turnout might be depressed because of the expectation that Obama will win? Especially if the polls continue to be positive and sites like this one predict landslides, will some stay at home believing that the outcome is set? In my experience, young voters that do not turn out to vote make that decision based on thinking that either they don't care much for politics or that their vote doesn't matter.
Just pondering. Have their been any studies out there on this topic?
eatsblogsandleaves.blogspot.com
rwd:
Arnie is not that much of a GOPper beyond the usual "hesitant to diminish the power of the American Dream". In fact, in a compilation of the 100 most influential conservatives and liberals by Britain's Daily Telegraph, he ranked in the top 10 of the liberals list. He's socially as liberal as you get and his environmental policy is unusually enlightened for a Republican.
Mazza: exactly right. That's why Ahnold could win California in the general election (assuming it was constitutional, of course) but would never get nominated in the first place.
How are people even scratching their head over why McCain is losing in the polls?
The GOP came into this season with a brand name that was slightly less popular than syphilis because of the already bad economy and Iraq. The GOP is historically viewed as the party of Wall Street. Wall Street bombed and took $700 B in a panic. The GOP is THEIR party in the eyes of the average "Joe Six Pack" (as Sarah would say).
Obama and his plans are not disettling to a majority of Americans at this point in history. Black, white, yellow, or red...people relate to the guy and his policies are sticking.
Why is this surprising?
In New Hampshire, Obama May Out-Perform Every Democratic Presidential Candidate Since Lyndon Johnson in 1964
Fiercely independent New Hampshire, which was expected to be a 2008 battleground, is poised today to award Democrat Barack Obama a larger share of the presidential vote than it has given any Democrat since Lyndon Johnson in 1964, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted for WBZ-TV in Boston. In an election today, 10/06/08, four weeks till votes are counted, Obama defeats John McCain 53% to 40%. New Hampshire voted Republican in 1968, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988 and 2000. New Hampshire voted Democrat in 1992, 1996 and 2004, but no Democrat running for President in New Hampshire has received more than 50% of the vote in the past 44 years.
The contest is close among men, voters age 35 to 49, those who have not graduated from college and regular church goers. McCain leads among gun owners and pro-life voters. But Obama builds to a 13-point overall lead on the strength of his 22-point advantage among women, 29-point advantage among young voters, 21-point advantage among Moderates, 18-point advantage among those who consider themselves an intellectual, 24-point advantage among lower-income voters, and 23-point advantage among college graduates.
http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/10/06/in-new-hampshire-obama-may-out-perform-every-democratic-presidential-candidate-since-lyndon-johnson-in-1964/
As McCain’s Lead Among White Virginians Shrinks, So Too His Chances of Holding The State’s 13 Electoral Votes
29 days until votes are counted in Virginia, Democrat Barack Obama is ahead 53% to 43%, according to this SurveyUSA poll conducted exclusively for WDBJ-TV in Roanoke, WJLA-TV in Washington DC, WTVR-TV in Richmond, and WJHL-TV in the Tri-Cities. In 4 tracking polls conducted since the Republican Convention, McCain has gone from up by 2 to down by 10.
There is movement among men, where immediately after the GOP convention, McCain led by 10, and where today Obama leads by 11.
There is movement among whites, where McCain’s once 22-point lead is today reduced to single digits.
There is movement among the well-to-do, where today for the first time Obama leads.
There is movement among pro-choice voters, where Obama’s lead has doubled since August.
McCain no longer leads in any region of the state. In Northeastern VA, which includes the DC suburbs, Obama leads by 24 points. In Central Virginia, home of the Confederate White House, the Museum of the Confederacy and Appomattox, Obama today leads by 8. In Southeastern Virginia, Obama leads by 11. In the Shenandoah, where John McCain led by 24 points one month ago, Obama and McCain today tie.
http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/10/06/as-mccains-lead-among-white-virginians-shrinks-so-too-his-chances-of-holding-the-states-13-electoral-votes/
"how can this happen ??"
Easy: Your party sucks, your candidate sucks worse, and his campaign sucks worse than that.
Raj:
Usually, turnout suffers more for the candidate on the losing side. Poor morale and all that.
Most of you have seen this but just in case you need some comic relief: Click
Arnold is no friend of Democrats or progressives though either. He just vetoed 1830, which would have given considerable relief to homeowners through mortgage relief. He also vetoed the single payer health plan passed by the Legislature at the end of 2007. He then proclaimed 2008 the "Year of Health Care" in California.
He's a front man for the neocons. He puts on the pretty because it's California and we are primarily a Dem/more progressive leaning state.
Yeah Virginia...I love my state!
The ground game here in VA by Obama has been unfreakin-believable. New voter registration is at an all time high leaning towards Obama, college kids love the guy, and AA's are more excited than ever to vote because they feel that they have a stake in their country now. It's a hell of sight to behold.
Oh btw, If i ever see joe McCain up here in northern VA im gonna smack him across the face and knee him in the jimmies for insinuating that we are commies. That was a dumb thing to say by McCrazy's brother.
The GOP is historically viewed as the party of Wall Street.
And the dems is historically viewed as the party of the Southern Conference.
The chances are if it looks like an Obama blowout turnout would be depressed on the GOP side bigtime and slightly on the democratic side.
I`m starting to see a landslide developing like we haven`t seen on the democratic side since 1964.
I expect Obama to get at least 350 EV and win states like Va. and Indiana that haven`t gone democratic in years.
He may even have a shot in Montana
and Georgia if the economy keeps tanking the way it is.
There is absolutely no way for anyone to even pretend this is close anymore. I`d like to see McCain blow on tuesday and end all speculation.
@charles:
Easy: Your party sucks, your candidate sucks worse, and his campaign sucks worse than that.
Well, it's not like they had a lot of great choices.
Could you imagine how badly Obama would be beating Romney? Or Giuliani?
I cannot believe those Virginia numbers. That's amazing.
And here in Wisconsin, McCain/Palin are coming to the heart of the most Republican county in the state. Yeah, that's smart. When you need independents, go to your base...
This is a prime reason why the Obama camp is so much smarter. They are targeting tough areas for them.
Obama is in Western Carolina (!) and he drew almost 30,000. He could've gone to Raleigh/Durham, but he is reaching out to the other side.
McCain still doesn't understand that this isn't an election that he can merely 'excite the base' and scare the rest. Things have changed since 2004.
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Ras numbers come out @ 6 ET
lets see how they are
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@the raj man:
Just wondering...is there any reason to think that dem turnout might be depressed because of the expectation that Obama will win? Especially if the polls continue to be positive and sites like this one predict landslides, will some stay at home believing that the outcome is set? In my experience, young voters that do not turn out to vote make that decision based on thinking that either they don't care much for politics or that their vote doesn't matter.
For my part, as a long-time Democrat who has suffered almost nothing but crushing losses for the last 12 years, I am taking absolutely nothing for granted.
While a win is a win, a landslide win, coming with the kind of mandate that Bush only dreams about and firm control of Congress, would be exponentially better.
Nate,
Will you be doubling up a few days to get all states in? I count 33 states left with 28 days before the election.
"What would it take for California to vote Republican sometime in the next generation? A VERY popular centrist Republican where CA is his/her home state?"
...And a constitutional amendment that would allow those born outside of the US to run for president.
First time commenter...
I live in San Diego which, as someone mentioned, is one of the two most reliably Republican urban counties in the state, probably slightly behind Orange.
However, visible McCain/Palin support is nearly nonexistent here and Obama's support is sky high all along the densely-populated western edge of the county -- downtown and its surrounding neighborhoods and all along the beaches from the border up to Del Mar not including Coronado (even super-rich La Jolla is slightly pro-Obama). Maybe East County is different -- it has a super-high percentage of military/veterans and overtly racist "desert rats" -- but it looks relatively solid for Obama in San Diego.
Still, I will be surprised if he picks up San Diego County as that would be like him picking up Georgia.
"Well, it's not like they had a lot of great choices.
Could you imagine how badly Obama would be beating Romney?"
I think a Huckabee/Romney ticket, with a properly crafted campaign, could have given Obama a real run for his money.
While the GOP did have an uphill road ahead, they botched it by picking a Republican who was known for being not conventional, and then forcing him to behave as he was. That assumes that the old McCain is actually still under there somewhere of course.
dwbh said...
"Easy: Your party sucks, your candidate sucks worse, and his campaign sucks worse than that.
Well, it's not like they had a lot of great choices."
I still think Huckabee would have been the hardest candidate to beat for Obama. He truly has folksy charm and his economic populism would have played well in the current climate. Add on the fact that he would have motivated the base on his own, he would have had the option to pick anyone he wanted as a VP. I really doubt Obama would be winning VA and NC against Huckabee and I think he would have played well in states like Minn.
Could you imagine how badly Obama would be beating Romney? Or Giuliani?
Romney would probably be doing slightly better than McCain, on account of actually having non-trivial amounts of charisma and knowing how to smile.
WA, OR, CA, MN, IA, WI, MI, ME, NH, VT, MA, CT, RI, NY, PA, NJ, MD, DE, DC, VA, HI = 272
With the numbers from VA, and the firming of PA these are all pretty much gimmie Obama States now.
And this is before we start adding the possibilities of OH, FL, CO, NM, NV, IN, MO, NC... right here right now? McCain is so toast
DOW down 500+ points. How ugly is this gonna get. Obama can stand on the stage tomorrow night and talk economy all night.
If the economic conditions don't improve, the fear of economic failure will far out way any fear of Obama's liberalism.
Did anyone just see that wretched Drew Griffin on CNN? Ugh! He was spinning like a top on the Obama/Ayers connection and insinuating masterfully about liberals/Hyde Park/Ayers/Obama.
I'm a bit confused by the many responses to my question about what it would take for CA to one day go Republican in an election. It had NOTHING whatsoever to do with the current Governor there. I'm talking about the next generation. What will it take for a future Republican candidate to overcome the demographics and liberal-lean?
How the cultural conservatives have harmed the GOP. (Not that I care too much!)
The problem with being able to put the South in a lock box is that the North eastern corner is given to the Dems, and there are nearly as many electoral votes there. So the south is not a guarantee of victory.
Now its hard to imagine nowadays I think, but there are plenty of places in the Union were non social conservatives had strong backing (Schwazzeneger in Ca is a relic of this, as to an extent is McCain in Az but also think Ridge in PA or Illinois conservatives). Thats the relic of the Lincolnian GOP. The GOP used to be a typical 'big tent' US political party. Now its far smaller, its almost like you have to be a social conservative, and that could lead to a generation of democratic party rule in the USA
@ Raj:
This stuff has been studied. Since I no longer am in the field I can't quote any recent reserch, but if my memory is correct, the "it doesn't matter so why should I bother" syndrome is a bigger factor among supporters of the candidate perceived as losing big than for those supporting the perceived winner. There would appear to be sort of a bandwagon effect in play.
Also, theory suggests that those with high enthusiasm are less likely to exhibit this syndrome, and Obama leads in that area.
On an anecdotal level, in the last campaign I managed (in 1980), we were up about 57-43 a week to 10 days before the election. Since this was for a western Democrat, well before the polls closed Carter conceded. This depressed turnout and we lost 51-49. A friend of mine won a State Senate seat, defeating an incumbent Democrat. He told me after the election that his 500 vote victory came from a Democratic turnout drop of about 700 votes.
McCain campaign is horribly run. They have never once had an economic round table or showing who McCain would get economic advice from, since it's not his strong suit. After Grahm was cut loose there has been nothing, a huge blunder. Obama showed that he would take advice and assembled a team of people respected for their economic knoweledge.
New McCain Speech
“Who is the real Senator Obama?” the Arizona Senator will ask Monday afternoon in Albuquerque.
“I don’t need lessons about telling the truth to American people. And were I ever to need any improvement in that regard, I probably wouldn’t seek advice from a Chicago politician.”
“My opponent’s touchiness every time he is questioned about his record should make us only more concerned… Where other candidates have to explain themselves and their records, Senator Obama seems to think he is above all that.”
http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/06/mccain-hits-obama-with-hardest-language-yet/
I think McCain is the only GOPer who stood half a chance this election cycle. I think though that the conventional widon of this electoral cycle, that it favored Democrats, was found to be very true, especially as economic issues came to the fore. I think Romney would have looked even more like Bush than McCain has.
I think McCain has shown some good political instinces (as much as I disagree with him, Drill Here, Drill now has a certain political resonance, and when 4 buck a gallon oil was the issue was a big deal, but when the issue is bigger than being able to fill the tank, when it becomes paying the mortgage, a gimmick like that is a killer)
Republicans have to stop being the party of old white men if they want to succeed in California. We are a multicultural, multi-ethnic state.
Asian Americans Matter!
Not that my comment buried way down here will be read by anyone, but I have to mention how annoyed I am that in the demographic breakdown of California, Asian Americans aren't mentioned at all. We make up 12% of the state population -- almost twice as much as the African American population here! Why are we constantly left out of the American dialogue? Is it because it is too hard to figure out where we stand or because no one gives a shit?
For individuals who need a bit on an antidote to the despicable McCain campaign, a suggested bit of reading is the feature of McCain in the current issue of Rolling Stone.
By all accounts, it's quite a surprise that McCain even managed to appropriate the "country First" slogan without withering criticism: he does appear to have run his entire life to benefit solely himself.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain
California is too liberal for republicans
I think Romney's problem is that on paper he looks formidable. And then, the more you see of him... the more he seems strange and plastic -- like a manchurian robot. He is simply not a likable guy.
Giuliani, on the other hand, is a raving fascist. He would have been utterly destroyed.
I just want to extend my sympathies to Real Joe and other pleasant McCain supporters here (though VA Con and FL GOP don't seem to come around anymore). I can understand your frustration at polls like the two that came out in VA today -- it would be similar to how I would feel if a couple of polls showed Obama trailing by double digits in PA. There still is time for the dynamics of the election to change, though I wouldn't count on it right now. A landslide Obama win is probably more likely right now than a McCain win, but both are still possible.
mike 2 cents said...
Asian Americans Matter!
Not that my comment buried way down here will be read by anyone, but I have to mention how annoyed I am that in the demographic breakdown of California, Asian Americans aren't mentioned at all. We make up 12% of the state population -- almost twice as much as the African American population here! Why are we constantly left out of the American dialogue? Is it because it is too hard to figure out where we stand or because no one gives a shit?
most asian americans are with Obama
The Dow is getting close to 9700 now. It's almost a 6% drop on one day, and the markets are still open for a couple of hours. People are now openly questioning whether the bailout is working.
I don't think anyone gives a flying rat's ass about Obama's relationship with William Ayres at the moment.
Republicans have to stop being the party of old white men if they want to succeed in California. We are a multicultural, multi-ethnic state.
Would this mean a complete shift of the Party Platform to a more centrist approach? And if so, what would need to 'drop off' the current Platform?
How accurate are those Virginia polls?
The Survey USA internals show Demoracts +9.
I am having a hard time believing that poll, but I hope it's true!
Today is a great day to be an Obama supporter. If we have any money left by the time the DOW closes today.
market going down = Obama going up in the polls
I think this blog post fails to mention the impact that California's Proposition 8 will have on the election. With most other contests out of play, Proposition 8 is essentially THE big race going on in California right now.
Proposition 8 is a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marraige, which has been legal in the state of California since early this summer. The referendum will certainly motivate evangelical Christians and other conservative groups to the polls, and close Barack Obama's margins a bit.
Proposition 8 certainly won't be enough to tip the state for the Republicans. On the other hand, the presidential election may be just enough to tip Proposition 8.
The youth vote is overwhelmingly in favor of gay marraige - even young Republicans have no problem with it - and Barack Obama is likely to bring them out in droves.
But whether Proposition 8 fails or succeeds depends on how Black and Hispanics who favor Democratic candidates feel about gay marriage. My hunch is that many people will vote for Barack Obama but still also vote to ban gay marriage in the state.
I expecte Proposition 8 to fail - barely - but if it did pass, the fallout would be really interesting. It would mark the first time that gay couples were legally allowed to marry but then later had that right revoked. The backlash among GLBT people in California would be pretty intense, and get a lot of news coverage during the first few weeks of 2009.
Democracy Corps (D) National Poll
Obama 48, McCain 45, Nader 3, Barr 2
McCain is coming back !!!
pizzuti, the youth may seem like they are for gay marriage but I've read otherwise
also, usually AAs are generally against gay marriage
:(
so is real joe!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html
From GALLUP [leans right BTW]
besides the +8 Obama @ 50/42:
summary - the final sentence is KEY...
"Looked at broadly, Obama's percent of the vote has been within a very narrow range of 48% to 50% over the last ten days, and McCain's has been within an equally narrow range of 42% of 44% over the same time period. These results suggest that aside from normal sampling error, the underlying dynamics of the race have become quite stable, and underscore the degree to which there has been little meaningful change in the race in well over a week.
The election has entered its final month, with the two remaining major campaign events being Tuesday night's presidential debate in Nashville, and the final presidential debate on Oct. 15 at Hofstra University.
Early voting is now open in many states, meaning that for some voters, the election is already over. -- Frank Newport"
-----------------------------------
in my dreams, this election IS already over - but let's close strong in the next 4 weeks...
and bank as many votes as possible NOW through early voting & absentee ballotting.
registration closes TODAY in FL
I read ya', Mike 2 Cents, and you're right: Sean would have well-advised to include the fact that California, with the largest Asian-American population in the counrty outside of Hawaii, tends to vote Democratic:
From 2004:
"Asian Americans were largely Democratic voters.
Almost 60% of Asian Americans were registered Democrats, over a quarter were not enrolled in any political party, and only 1 in 7 Asian Americans were registered Republicans. By a 3 to 1 margin, Asian Americans favored Senator John Kerry over President George W. Bush, 74% to 24%, with 2% voting for other candidates. Among first-time Asian American voters, 78% voted for Kerry, 20% voted for Bush, and 2% voted for other candidates."
http://www.aaldef.org/article.php?article_id=107
markedman said...
pizzuti, the youth may seem like they are for gay marriage but I've read otherwise
also, usually AAs are generally against gay marriage
:(
so is real joe!
marriage is between a man & a women
Here is the last paragraph of a very long editorial in the New Yorker endorsing Barack Obama for President. If this doesn´t give you a lump in your throat when you read it, you have no feelings. By the way, the entire editorial, though very, very long, is well worth the read:
www.newyorker.com
We cannot expect one man to heal every wound, to solve every major crisis of policy. So much of the Presidency, as they say, is a matter of waking up in the morning and trying to drink from a fire hydrant. In the quiet of the Oval Office, the noise of immediate demands can be deafening. And yet Obama has precisely the temperament to shut out the noise when necessary and concentrate on the essential. The election of Obama—a man of mixed ethnicity, at once comfortable in the world and utterly representative of twenty-first-century America—would, at a stroke, reverse our country’s image abroad and refresh its spirit at home. His ascendance to the Presidency would be a symbolic culmination of the civil- and voting-rights acts of the nineteen-sixties and the century-long struggles for equality that preceded them. It could not help but say something encouraging, even exhilarating, about the country, about its dedication to tolerance and inclusiveness, about its fidelity, after all, to the values it proclaims in its textbooks. At a moment of economic calamity, international perplexity, political failure, and battered morale, America needs both uplift and realism, both change and steadiness. It needs a leader temperamentally, intellectually, and emotionally attuned to the complexities of our troubled globe. That leader’s name is Barack Obama.
For those who want to support truly open and verifiable elections, might I suggest OVC?
http://www.openvotingconsortium.org/
This is a group of folks dedicated to bringing reliable open source software to United States elections. Well worth your support.
As a SF resident, nice piece guys!
Was surprised that the demographics section did not include Asians, which in this very multicultural state seem to be a significant part (by spirit, presence, and contribution) of the state's population. I assume that block is primarily Hillary supporters and am curious if there is any reading as to what degree they've swung to Obama?
Hey real joe--
What are the Ras polls coming out later? I looked at their site but couldn't find the info.
Emonokari: Read Sean Wilentz's piece in Rolling Stone from a few weeks back. He nailed it. The Republican party is going to have to make SOME changes if they want to get off life support.
They either have to throw the 2 outliers out (the fundies and the neocons), or they have to simply let what is left burn to the ground and start something completely different. This probably needs to happen nationally as well.
The reason everybody mentioned Arnold is because to some extent he is already tacking to the "center." I happen to be an identified Socialist, so of course he'll never satisfy me. :)
But it's easy to tack to the center on the enviro stuff in Cali, though. Our pride and joy is our public beaches, what is left of our amazing State Park system (until it was butchered by Arnold in the budget), and our diverse geography that lends itself to enviro protection very naturally by any politician.
On economic issues, Arnold is still a right winger, though. It's no secret that he was in those meetings with Ken Lay and Cheney when they were discussing how to throw Gray Davis over the side during the Enron/energy scandals. Arnold might be tacking a bit to the center, but he's still a Republican.
He was smart not to align himself with Bush or McCain, though. He refused to meet with Bush whenever Bush made an appearance in the state, and he was invited to the Republican convention and ended up not going. He knows how damaging that would have been to his "career."
The entire party is in a complete flail. It's not just in California, though.
FL has a similar anti-gay marriage ammendment up for vote this year, called Ammendment 2.
The GOPers were hoping that would turn out the base here in 2008 & ensure a GOP win across the board.
now it appears that move will not be enough. first, the GOPers changed the rules a few years ago to require 60% super-majority for props to pass.
Ammendment 2 may not reach that, but it probably will get at least 50% [last poll said 55%]
even Chaingang Charlie Crist is not out pushing it. in fact, it might backlash as older people think it is a crock to put that into our constitution - even IF they do not support gay marriage in principle...
more people are enthusiastic to vote against it than for it, so as McCain & Palin fade then the ammendment may fade too...
hopefully the same in CA where it only needs 50% +1 to win.
I don't go to walmart or Starbucks, yet I'm voting for Obama. Go figure???
Real Joe, before you get too happy about that DC O+3 poll, it screened out "people registered since 2004" down to 3% of the voters.
I somehow don't think so, do you?
Oh please, spare me your 'Lincolnian GOP,' it never existed. Lincoln is a Republican in name only because the party names flipped in the 1960s. He won the Northeast, the Left Coast, and the Rust Belt and lost the South -- essentially all of today's blue states.
The electoral map of 1860 looks really similar to the one in 2004:
http://teachpol.tcnj.edu/amer_pol_hist/fi/000000bd.htm
Interesting observation in the Virginia Survey USA poll: Male and female voters are split almost identically between the two candidates. According the Daily Kos/Research 2000 national polls, women overwhelmingly favor Obama, while men are evenly split between the two. There's something odd about these numbers...intuitively, I feel that much of the improvement in Obama's numbers should be a growing female community that ridicules the idea of Palin being a competent VP or prez, which makes the R2000 sound better to me.
I went to Walmart this weekend to register voters for Obama..It was the biggest two days I've ever had. And I've been doing this since Feb.
Imagine how well I would have done at Starbucks?
MOONDANCER
good for you. registering new voters is very patriotic & take alot of dedication.
I for one admire your efforts !
and appreciate them - did you also register GOP voters BTW ?
OTF said: McCain campaign is horribly run. They have never once had an economic round table or showing who McCain would get economic advice from...
Yes they did. Apperantly Phil Gramm will be giving McCain economic advice. Problem is, back in July Phil said that "there is no recession and Americans are a bunch of whiners."
It's plain to see that McCain and his camp are out-of-touch with reality.
SANTIAGO
that was a most excellent editorial endorsement for Obama.
I also got a lump in my throat - can our country actually do the right thing ???
keeping the dream alive by working our asses off...
To Nate or Sean: Could you please post midday open threads to compensate for the fact that the comment limit for individual posts is 200 comments? Pretty much every thread on this webpage goes over this limit, leaving long periods where new comments can't be added.
Mike 2 Cents...
I hear ya. Asians are always left out.
I don't want to add fuel to the RCP conspiracy fire, but did anybody else notice that they list the Democracy Corps poll twice? They have one with 3rd parties and one without. Don't they normally just include one set of numbers? Given the Dem Corps' result is so much more favorable to McCain than any other national poll, counting it twice would certainly skew the national numbers. Am I just being too sensitive, or is this another case of subtly biasing the RCP numbers to make McCain seem more competitive?
I probabbly won't be the only one saying this, but Kid G, if you click add comments and then click either 'newer' or 'newest' yuo can see comments 201+
kid g--
hit "Post a Comment"--you'll get a pop-up window which will enable you to see all posts.
Bush speaking on the Wall St bailout in San Antonio today - just saw thew clip on MSNBC...
what a dolt - and the more facetime for Bush on TV over the next 4 weeks will be more bad news for McCain.
Bush 'live' is better than any TV ad time or debate can possibly do for Obama.
comeon, GW - help us help our country elect Barack Obama & sweep the congress. Just keep up the public appearances for another month and open your mouth - insert foot...
markymark, i'd just like to say--
jinx, you owe me a Coke.
Kid G.
Click on the red colored "Post a Comment" at the bottom of the thread. That's where you can see all comments over 200. It's a small viewing screen that you can't expand but that's what I've been doing.
Francis, thanks, I was not aware of this difference!
mc9ain--
I can expand the comments pop-up. I'm using firefox on a mac. U?
Whose brilliant idea was it to run a Southern Californian in District 4, anyway? Northern Californians distrust and resent Southern Californians in general (while Southern Californians tend not to pay any attention to Northern California or its residents). The geographic factors alone should doom McClintock regardless of party affiliation.
To Jay,
Love that map!
Thanks for sharing.
KIG G & other newbies
as mentioned above, posts are recorded after 200.
we access them through the 'comment' link where you can not only add your posts, but you can use the comment window to view post over 200.
jump to the 'newer' or 'newest' posts over each 200 comment interval using the blue links on the comment window so you do not have to wade or scroll down all the way from #1...
Dow down almost 700; surely this was caused by Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers. We need a Maverick now more than ever.
That piece by the New Yorker is really amazing. Great writing there.
It is only the second time in the history of the magazine that they have endorsed a candidate. The very first time they EVER endorsed was in 2004, when they endorsed Kerry.
I have a hard time believing that California has the lowest percentage of rural population in the country. Lower than NJ or RI? Really? Anyone have a source for this?
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Blogger 2much2lose said...
Yes they did. Apperantly Phil Gramm will be giving McCain economic advice. Problem is, back in July Phil said that "there is no recession and Americans are a bunch of whiners."
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Expect this quote in tomorrow's debate.
Dow down 600+. Much like a submarine sinking to the bottom of the ocean, staring at the depth guage and waiting for the hull to crack.
Francis,
:( I have Windows and I can't expand it with Firefox either. I guess it's another great feature of a Mac.
Yep, Cali has the lowest percentage of rural people: about 5.5% of the population is rural. The second lowest is New Jersey.
C Crook--your remark put me in mind of "On The Beach." Watching the economy unravel is like being in Australia, waiting for the fallout to come, knowing we're all toast.
Figures this happens right before our guy gets in office.
Can anybody make any sense of why the Obama camp is discounting the PA poll numbers? Even Rendell is speaking "cautiously" about Obama's support there. CNN and NBC have PA as tossups but I see Obama's numbers pretty strong up there. What gives? The culture war, no doubt with wright and ayers, but I am scratching my head on this one.
Tell firefox to allow popups...
To Sedi,
I've been suspicious of RCP and Politico for a long time now.
Your observations are correct.
u-texan,
The Obama campaign doesnt really want to fan the flames of inevitability. The closer the race seems, the more likely their folks will turn out in large numbers.
DJIA down 710points
We´re doing our part here in South America...non-military expats number between 6 and 7 million voters, and lean Democratic, 70% to 30%. In 2004, only 10% voted in the Presidential election. Obama is the first candidate in history to make a concerted effort to get that percentage up. We are having registration drives, Debate watch parties, and Get out the Vote drives throughout Latin America. If you know anyone living abroad, encourage them to go to www.votefromabroad.org to receive a ballot request form AND the FWAB (Federal Write-in Absentee Ballot) which can be mailed as insurance that the vote will be recorded. Let's bring that percentage up to at least 50% this year!
To uppitytexan,
I don't know why they're playing down PA. I think it keeps the story interesting. I read somewhere that McCain may pull out of PA
I live in (usually) heavy-Repube Tehama County (1.5 hours north of Sacramento). The GOP office is opening tomorrow (10/7), while the Dem office has been up and running for a couple of months.
I've seen a handful of McCain-Palin yard signs, most of which have "gone missing" or disappeared. For every Mc/P bumper sticker, there are three O/B.
Proposition 8, which would constitutionally restrict same-sex marriage, is getting little attention. I see ZERO ads on TV (or on radio), and there are no other materials (stickers, yard or rally signs, etc.)--for or against--anywhere.
Prop 8 seems to be going down in defeat: most Californians have come around since the last restrictive proposition and realize that allowing me and my partner the same basic rights afforded others isn't cause for alarm.
In 2004, anti-gay marriage propositions across the country brought the GOP Conservatives to the polls in great numbers. This year, at least in California, the people coming out in droves are those more liberal leaning and open-minded voters, which obviously favors Obama.
Overall, my feeling is that Obama has made serious traction in one of this blue state's reddist counties. I don't know if he'll actually win this county, but we're not going down without a fight!
Regarding Asian Americans in California: they are not as monolithic a voting block as African Americans and Latino Americans. The recent immigrants tend to be more Republican than the 2nd (and up) generation Asian Americans. Also, with the Asian language TV programming available in the larger cities, there is more advertising targeting specific nationalities.
Dow down over 700 points now.
Whew! Good thing were able to "turn the page" on the economic crisis.
Internal poll in VA @ RCP showing McCain leading in 3...2...1...
Dow down over 700 points now.
McCain says/does the worst possible thing at the worst possible moment...time and time again. He appears clueless.
Two unrelated comments:
#1 It looks like RCP is only using one of them in their average.
#2 I can resize the comments window when I use Firefox, but not when I use IE.
Are the only remaining polls today the 5 Rasmussen polls?
EmonOkari said...
Dow down over 700 points now.
McCain says/does the worst possible thing at the worst possible moment...time and time again. He appears clueless.
I agree... I wonder who's idea was it to have Sara wink at a traumatized nation during the debate? They are so detached from reality. It's like they're competing in a beauty contest during the world economic forum.
Some thoughts -
Republicans could make big inroads with Asian Americans and Hispanics. I'd think that if they go all socially conservative, all the time - that's where they're likely to find support. They can drop the fiscal conservatism completely - this is the Huckabee method.
If they skew more socially liberal/fiscal conservative... the Ron Paul method... they could swing a lot of the California moderates.
But with the current opposition lines drawn as social + fiscal conservative vs. social + fiscal liberal, it's a lot harder to make inroads here, as the state is moving away from the base.
As long as the Republican party insists that there's nothing wrong with being the party of intolerant scared (want to be) rich white males they'll continue to lose ground here... and, hopefully, in the rest of the nation.
Last thought - I also want to sympathize with Real Joe, though I hope that Obama shreds his abomination of a party.
Have you guys read McCain's latest remarks? They are getting awfully close to calling Obama a terrorist loving, American hating trator who is lying to you about who he is. Read:
My opponent has invited serious questioning by announcing a few weeks ago that he would quote -- “take off the gloves.” Since then, whenever I have questioned his policies or his record, he has called me a liar.
Rather than answer his critics, Senator Obama will try to distract you from noticing that he never answers the serious and legitimate questions he has been asked. But let me reply in the plainest terms I know. I don’t need lessons about telling the truth to American people. And were I ever to need any improvement in that regard, I probably wouldn’t seek advice from a Chicago politician.
My opponent’s touchiness every time he is questioned about his record should make us only more concerned. For a guy who’s already authored two memoirs, he’s not exactly an open book. It’s as if somehow the usual rules don’t apply, and where other candidates have to explain themselves and their records, Senator Obama seems to think he is above all that. Whatever the question, whatever the issue, there’s always a back story with Senator Obama. All people want to know is: What has this man ever actually accomplished in government? What does he plan for America? In short: Who is the real Barack Obama? But ask such questions and all you get in response is another barrage of angry insults.
Our current economic crisis is a good case in point. What was his actual record in the years before the great economic crisis of our lifetimes?
This crisis started in our housing market in the form of subprime loans that were pushed on people who could not afford them. Bad mortgages were being backed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and it was only a matter of time before a contagion of unsustainable debt began to spread. This corruption was encouraged by Democrats in Congress, and abetted by Senator Obama.
Senator Obama has accused me of opposing regulation to avert this crisis. I guess he believes if a lie is big enough and repeated often enough it will be believed. But the truth is I was the one who called at the time for tighter restrictions on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that could have helped prevent this crisis from happening in the first place.
Senator Obama was silent on the regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and his Democratic allies in Congress opposed every effort to rein them in. As recently as September of last year he said that subprime loans had been, quote, “a good idea.” Well, Senator Obama, that “good idea” has now plunged this country into the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.
To hear him talk now, you’d think he’d always opposed the dangerous practices at these institutions. But there is absolutely nothing in his record to suggest he did. He was surely familiar with the people who were creating this problem. The executives of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have advised him, and he has taken their money for his campaign. He has received more money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac than any other senator in history, with the exception of the chairman of the committee overseeing them. Did he ever talk to the executives at Fannie and Freddie about these reckless loans? Did he ever discuss with them the stronger oversight I proposed? If Senator Obama is such a champion of financial regulation, why didn’t he support these regulations that could have prevented this crisis in the first place? He won’t tell you, but you deserve an answer.
Who is the real Senator Obama? Is he the candidate who promises to cut middle class taxes, or the politician who voted to raise middle class taxes? Is he the candidate who talks about regulation or the politician who took money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and turned a blind eye as they ran our economy into a ditch?
Is he the candidate who promises change, or is he the politician who has bought into everything that is wrong with Washington? We can’t change the system with someone who’s never fought the system.
Washington is on the wrong track and I’m going to set it right. The American people know my record. They know I am going to change Washington, because I’ve done it before. They know I’m going to reform our broken institutions in Washington and on Wall Street because I’ve done it before. They know I’m going to deliver relief to the middle class, because that’s what I’ve done.
Rasmussen
O - 52
M - 44
Dow down 760..please let the trading day end onlt 1 hr 15min left
Tradres need to stop panicking Dow down 785
otf, are you cheering for dow to stay down? its terrible news for all of us.
I know Intrade isn't always rational, but has anyone else noticed that South Dakota is now colored white?
oh, nevermind, i see that you want it to end to stop the plummett
Wow the New Yorker really laid into McCain. (as well as building Obama up!) And McCain really laid into Obama. I wonder how Obama would stand up to McCain in full frontal attack mode in a debate? I am sure they are planning for it now, and I am sure Obama will have a long list of 'How McCain is like Bush' lines ready. I think McCain will need to be careful if he goes into attack mode in Town Hall.
Incidentally, substitute the name McCain for Obama in matt j h's post and see how that sounds.
Holy shit. The Dow is nearing -800.
I have been monitoring the markets since early this morning (European Market) and predicting the largest Wall Street point crash today, I'm losing a lot of money (500K) but I'm gaining Obama.......
NO I'm hoping they stop panicking and the tradind day eneds soon so people stop freaking out on the trading floor.
McCain = Fucking daft and probably Alzheimer's
Palin = Fucking stupid and potentially the world's most dangerous person
Say goodbye to your 401k's as wall street is reacting to a probable Obama administration and the huge spendind and tax increases.
Just voted for Obama in Santa Cruz, CA on the first day of early voting.
Shot out to you, sean. I'm a Banana Slug (UCSC alum).
Jack,
you have 4 brain cells and they are fighting. Economic news and indicators were all bad te end of last week and there was a huge sell of in foreign markets. You obviously no zilcj about the market.
I meant *shout out*
The overseas part is about the credit markets there, but is all over the business channels that Obama will worsen the recession by his policies.
Hopefully Dow will rally the last hour as the bargain hunters will step in!
Nasdaq down 8%
Why would you invest when you the next government will impose punitive tax rates and explode the spending by 1 trillion (undisputed)
Why doesn't McCain/Palin just come out and say Obama is a "N#@er". This is what they are getting at. I can't believe the hatred McCain spoke today. This is pure hate. I'd expect this kind of stuff from the KKK.
This is beyond ugly. This is so far beyond gutter politics.
Shameful, Shameful.
To Sean,
Can't find my early voting location. The website is jammed!
:-(
I'll keep trying.
Yay slugs! ('92 Oakes alum, now living in Monterey)
Jack,
B/c only those who are dumb or not in the market would not invest b/c they will pay 20% capital gains instead of 15% when your talking about making millions in profit!
Fuck you Jack!
Most economists pick Obama's plan over McCain's.
I will take Warren Buffet's plan (Obama's) over anyone on the repub side.
"Say goodbye to your 401k's as wall street is reacting to a probable Obama administration"
ROFLMAO.
The overseas part is about the credit markets there, but is all over the business channels that Obama will worsen the recession by his policies.
No, the overseas part is cause by overseas institutions having bought too many American CDS, CDS's. US must be happy they did otherwise the American crunch would have been at least twice as severe.
Yay back at you, Dan! Stevenson '02 over here in SF.
Markets do better under Democrats. Markets are rational. This must mean the markets fear a MCCAIN win.
See, it makes just as much sense as Jack does!
The Economist says mpst economist's pick Obama's plan over McCain's:
http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12342127
"AS THE financial crisis pushes the economy back to the top of voters’ concerns, Barack Obama is starting to open up a clear lead over John McCain in the opinion polls. But among those who study economics for a living, Mr Obama’s lead is much more commanding. A survey of academic economists by The Economist finds the majority—at times by overwhelming margins—believe Mr Obama has the superior economic plan, a firmer grasp of economics and will appoint better economic advisers."
Democracy Corps poll - Ohio
O:49
M:43
Democracy Corps Ohio
49-43 Obama leading
http://www.democracycorps.com/strategy/2008/10/obama-emerges-ahead-in-ohio/
jinx matt
Banana Slugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
matt j. h. said...
Why doesn't McCain/Palin just come out and say Obama is a "N#@er". This is what they are getting at. I can't believe the hatred McCain spoke today. This is pure hate. I'd expect this kind of stuff from the KKK.
This is beyond ugly. This is so far beyond gutter politics.
Shameful, Shameful.
McCain is back !
"The Fundamentals Of The Economy Are Strong" -- On the same day the DOW drops 777.
"Obama Pals Around With Terrorists" -- On the same the DOW drops another 700+.
McCain just can't catch a break. Poor old geezer.
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