Today we continue our Road to 270 series with the Last Frontier State, Alaska.
BASTION OF HOCKEY MOMMERY, Alaska was nearly a triple drama this cycle for the first time in many, many years, if ever. Before the Sarah Palin pick, Barack Obama was threatening in Alaska, and might well have closed from the 5-7 point deficit at this time of national sharp movement in his direction. With Palin on the ticket, Alaska is seemingly locked into the McCain column. Though we are very skeptical that VPs “bring” states that the candidate would not otherwise have won as a general rule, in smaller states that get typically get little to no national presidential-level attention the addition of a popular candidate to a ticket can move numbers.
Now what remains in Alaska is one of the most dramatic Senate races this cycle, with Anchorage mayor Mark Begich challenging the indicted Ted “Tubes” Stevens. In Alaska’s lone House race, longtime incumbent Don Young, who is under federal investigation for bribery, faces former Alaska House Minority Leader Ethan Berkowitz in a race Dems are expected to pick up. It’s a messy enough situation that Sarah Palin refuses to say whether she endorses either Stevens or Young.
Key Demographics
Note: Factors colored in red can generally be thought to help McCain. Factors in blue can generally be thought to help Obama. Factors in purple have ambiguous effects. Except where otherwise apparent, the numbers next to each variable represent the proportion out of each 100 residents in each state who fall into that category. Fundraising numbers reflect dollars raised in the 2008 campaign cycle per eligible voter in each state. Figures for seniors and youth voters are proportions of all residents aged 18+, rather than all residents of any age. The figure for education reflects the average number of years of completed schooling for all adults aged 25+. The figure for same-sex households reflects the number of same-sex partner households as a proportion of all households in the state. The liberal-conservative index is scaled from 0 (conservative) to 100 (liberal), based on a Likert score of voter self-identification in 2004 exit polls. The turnout rates reflect eligible voters only. Unemployment rates are current as of June 2008.
What McCain Has Going For Him
Sarah Palin. With that selection, John McCain locked up the state for the Republican ticket, as polls moved from mid-single digits to medium double digits in a blink when the selection was announced. The fact that Alaska has been a Republican bastion since its inception into the Union – save for LBJ’s landslide in 1964 – is also a great starting point. George Bush won here by his 7th largest margin and gun ownership is the 2d highest in the nation. It’s also the number one percentage state for military veterans, and was the 2d lowest Democratic state by self-reporting in 2004.
What Obama Has Going For Him
The fact that Alaska hasn’t been friendly Democratic territory historically didn’t deter Barack Obama from making an attempt in the early going to make a play for this state. Alaska has the smallest percentage of voters 65+ and the 2d largest percentage of youth voters 18-29. Not to mention, Alaska ranks 10th on the Starbucks:Walmart ratio. It’s a fairly well-educated state, and Obama’s fundraising beats McCain’s here by more than 2-1. Unemployment in Alaska is relatively high, and the number of independents here is relatively high. Although Obama has now abandoned the paid organizer effort in Alaska (we met some of them in Nevada), he was the only candidate to even mount a ground campaign, and the DSCC and DCCC have put resources into what would be historic pickups. It's a case where the lower ticket ground game will continue to help Obama overperform past Democratic candidates, even if he doesn't win.
What To Watch For
Democrats have not won a House seat in Alaska since the 1972 plane crash death of Nick Begich, Mark’s father. Mike Gravel, who left office in January 1981, is the last Democrat to serve at the federal level for Alaska’s constituents. This year, Democrats are favored to win both seats.
The other thing to watch in Alaska is the respective legal events occurring for each of these candidates. As they did with Social Security and the US Attorneys scandal, among others, Talking Points Memo has completely owned the story of Alaska Republican Party political corruption, and regular readers of TPM were fully versed in the Alaskan mess long before the announcement of Sarah Palin as VP. If a legal maneuver occurs in any one of those cases (Stevens' indictment, Young's investigation, Palin's Troopergate scandal), you'll find it on TPM.
10.05.2008
Road to 270: Alaska
by Sean Quinn @ 8:07 PM...see also alaska, road to 270
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Another great report, Sean.
Wouldn't it be great if the Trooper firing scandal caused Palin to lsoe Alaska?
Not counting on it, though.
So glad you came back to this, I wanted to see the end of this series.
Because of Sarah Palin we now know every little detail of this unique little mess that is Alaska.
Most veterans AND 2nd youngest state, weird combination; highest gunownership and relatively high education, strange, too.
I can also see McCain losing the state if Palin gets indicted, so I really don´t want to give any prognosis on the house race, the senate race or the presidential race. I can´t even see if Alaska is going to be more democratic, thanks to Republican corruption and the youth vote, or more republican, because of the immigration of hunters, oilmen and evangelicals.
Sean, great column (& great site as well). As a Juneau resident, it's simply not true that Obama has completely pulled out of Alaska. There is still a paid staff person in Juneau, more in Anchorage, and there are even several traveling around to bush communities like Nome, Kotzebue, Bethel & Barrow. We had a pro Obama-Biden rally yesterday, at which over 600 people showed... of course, Juneau is fairly 'blue' compared to the rest of the state... Keep up the great work!
Not sure if its possible to adjust for the Bradley effect. I guess the only way to do so would be to examine pre-election polls for Bradley, Wilder and others and then come up with some sort of formula to discount expressed level of support. Wonder what kind of lead Obama will have to have in the pre-election polls to get to 273 EV on election day. Wonder also the extent to which the Bradley effect is anticipated in the numbers set forth in this and other polling sites.
I found an interesting correlation between the Senate Race and Presidential race in Minnesota based on the new StarTrib poll. I discuss it in the Oct 5 Polling Update.
Checkout my piece on Youth Voter Registration. For every 100 registered voters aged 18-24, the democrats accrue a 9 vote advantage.
Obama 355, McCain 183
A career criminal who text messaged a death and stabbing threat against Bristol Palin and her unborn child is now under investigation as the driver behind an alcohol related three vehicle head on collision near Santa Barbara Thursday afternoon-the complete story is here:
www.myspace.com/370392338
Also at that blog-a 14 year old girl is raped when a Pasadena hospital screws up beyond belief-what would happen to her in Sarah Palin's America? and Cutting Confessions one of the most bizarre love stories ever written-two misfits are brought together by fate. Set in Beverly Hills, Pasadena and the Las vegas Strip.
Tokyo market down more than 2%
US Futures down
more pain
Anyone notice that bton CNN and the NYT have suddenly been taken over by the right? Bill Bennett running non-stop on CNN?! NYT writing about Bill Ayers, but ignoring Charles Keating?! Charles Keating is a far more damning relationship than Bill Ayers on merit, regardless of perception. Why are these two lean-left MSM all of the sudden selling out to the right? I don't get it. Any journalist worth thier salt should recognize Charles Keating's giving rise to McCain is a disgusting heap of crap. Bill Ayers having given a coffee for Obama in 1995 is meaningless. Think about it fairly. Keating is the reason McCain was ever elected in the first place. Obama's relationship with Ayers is extremely thin. Obama probably knows 10,000 people better than he knows Ayers.
someone commented on this - this am, but what the heck - intrade ) -2.7, M +3.5 today
is this on guessing results of coming attack ads?
Does anyone have a sense about the Senate race in AK? Is Begich really poised to take out Stevens or does it all depend on the outcome in court? If Stevens retains his seat it really will reveal how little Americans care about corruption sometimes.
Can someone direct me to the the "Starbucks/Walmart ratio" list? This site ROCKS. Thanks!
Eric-
Tom Brokaw was also a McCain lover this AM. The MSM has such a vested interest in making this close. They are well beyond simply reporting the news.
Intrade: 64% / 35%
Betfair: 74% / 26%
I think Betfair is the more liquid market and it has not moved today. More intrade manipulation for some talking head this morning?
Intrade: 64% / 35%
Betfair: 74% / 26%
I think Betfair is the more liquid market and it has not moved today. More intrade manipulation for some talking head this morning?
It's a shame that we couldn't have seen what would have happened with Alaska if Palin wasn't on the ticket. An Obama win would have been a real possibility.
More on the Bailout
I know this is the AK post but I called 15 in OH today:
4 for Obama
1 for McCain (23 year old Female)
1 not there
1 wrong number
8 answering machines
Polling is a pain.
-Eric-
CNN has never been left of center. The NYT has already done a large story on McCain's Keating problems. It was the one that also described a possible romantic relationship with one of the lobbyist he was often with. 90% of that story was about the Keating problem. Also I would not say that NYT is Leftist either. Their opinion articles, ok, more often left than right. But the rest of the paper simply deals with describing reality. And as we all know from Republican corruption and gay meth sex in bathroom scandals, reality has a strong liberal bias.
LOL! Polling does suck.
Does anyone here know anything about AK or gives us any insight into the state?
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Does anyone know what is going to happen next with the 700 billion? Which banks are going to get awarded some of it, how much and when? Any educated guesses? I'm surprised the world markets are not reacting better to its passage.
It is a Mule Rider Attack!!!
Scorched Earth like the negative McCain Camp Strategy. LOL.
Mule Rider,
Man that's annoying.
Please seek help.
Sorry, oct, it's not you I'm mad at.
Nate:
Please ban mule rider.
-Everybody
Where is jj? She wanted MR back.
As I asked int he last thread - which is the hardest state seen as in play that will be hardest for BO to flip. I say IN, followed by VA. IN is very rural, and I am just not sure VA will go blue until I see it go blue once.
Reader,
I lost it after I've been accused of being an intolerant bigot after displaying what I believe to be some of THE MOST tolerant attitudes of anyone who is a social conservative.
I say Alaska is UP FOR GRABS.
I say Obama should visit Alaska soon!
Check out this accounting of an obama rally versus a palin rally in anchorage this saturday: http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/10/05/and-the-moose-nugget-award-goes-to/
Nope, ban fred and NC_voter...
...they are the worthless idiots.
Troopergate - apparently the investigation now has a paper trail - with testimony - under oath that the Palin's got the WCB to STOP Trooper Wooten's WBC claim.
I OK if she's just impeached - but - wouldn't it be cool if she could actually serve time with OJ! Could be, she could teach him to play the flute.
rob-
That is interesting. The polls show a big McCain in AK, is that untrue?
i need to see a new Alaskan poll
ATTENTION:
Mule rider outed himself as an Evolution AND big bang denier.
Explains everything...
Mule Rider: Do you realize how childish and perhaps mentally ill that made you seem? Grow up and seek psychiatric help!
Mule Rider and Fred,
I have to say that I believe I am one of the most liberal thinking people and yet I do not take issue with what MR is saying "he can teach his kids that homosexuality is against his beliefs" That's no different than a Christian saying that atheism is against their beliefs. That doesn't mean their children will be intolerant of a gay person or an atheist outside of their home. C'mon - sometimes we take gay rights too far and try and impose views and opinions on others that have nothing to do with rights.
Mule rider,
Discuss politics, polling and elections and dont spam the hell out of the place. Keep the nasty stuff out of the boards. I have had half way decent exchanges with you and think you play an important role. But don't be destructive or people here will block you.
Mule
please don't spam
mylegacy-
I saw that story, it sure has not gotten legs down here but glad it is there. Is that why all the folks resisting subpoenaes just rolled and will now answer questions?
"HIJACKING THIS THREAD BECAUSE OF ALL THE LYING SCUM"
Was it that scum that forms on the top of ponds? That stuff is pretty cool, though I wouldn't want to swim near it. I find it hard to believe that simple plant life would be capable of deception, but I guess that I stand corrected. I'll never look at those dandelions in my lawn the same again...
mc9cain,
Thank you so much. You don't know how much it means to have a 3rd party to this banter treat me with respect about my views.
I said repeatedly I'm all for equal rights, and I don't plan on treating someone who is gay any differently. I just want the right to believe it's not proper in God's eyes, to teach that to my kids, and be left in peace without being called an intolerant bigot.
Sorry for the "scorched earth" shit above.
I KNEW mule rider would be back
people like him don't keep their word
Mule Rider- please take a little time away from the keyboard to cool down. HIJACKING THIS THREAD penalizes every reader, not just whoever wrote something that provoked you.
good night guys
watch the new entourage episode
AP just picked it up, 7 Palin aides to testify in Troopergate.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PALIN_TROOPERGATE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
This could get fun, and might account for the distraction they are trying to form with Ayers.
Alaska is going to be hard to call this year. If Steven's case gets thrown out on the technicality, a lot of folks will be very very peeved.
Having lived there from '80 to '94, I know how entrenched the evangelicals are in the GOP and state politics. Sarah is their favorite daughter.
The problems are many of the demographics are more than a little conflicted over the GOP and Sarah. Some evangelicals see her as violating the 'women belong at home taking care of the kids' value.
The number of millitary is related to two things. The number of military bases in a state with a low population. The number of retired military who moved there and their kids. That would include my in-laws.
They are smack dab in the middle of too many tours to the Middle East, the National Guard and Coast Guard - another huge % of the pop due to the astronomical coastline and fishing industry- deployments. There is just a lot of simmering resentment of the GOP in the millitary that may or may not significantly affect the vote.
The education level is high due to the military, the state workers, the energy industry and health care. That still leaves plenty of room for the gun owners and the people who contribute to the state's high levels of murder, rape and domestic violence. (The later correlates with the high military #s).
My son and ex are still in Anchorage. The kid used to be a McCain supporter but is now totally disgusted with him. They see Palin's popularity has slipped a lot and it is very much to do with Troopergate. She is not VP material for many Alaskans.
Heating oil is going to be an issue, and the increased cost of goods that are largely shipped in. Housing costs have been volatile in AK for decades, it is a boom and bust economy. The mortgage crises and foreclosures will be the third in three decades.
How many are mad enough to contemplate voting against the GOP? Will they vote?.. A lot will depend on what happens with Ted and Troopergate. Once they go to the polls to vote for Begich, there could be a backlash against the state GOP with a vote for Obama. My sense of the polling there is that enough of the voters are conflicted enough, they probably change their minds every day or two.... On 11/4, they have to make the final choice.
How can you deny Evolution anyways, MR? Evolution is a proven FACT.
The fact that you have to get a new flu shot every year is a testament to this.
Scientists have witnessed EVOLUTION of bacteria in a laboratory.
Is it the theory (aka Fact) of Natural selection that bothers you?
You know, it's not like it's at odds with god or anything. There's no reason both couldn't exist.
"You don't know how much it means to have a 3rd party to this banter treat me with respect about my views."
You want to be treated with respect while you behave like a two-year-old with a dirty diaper?
Good luck with that.
Mule Rider,
I hear you and totally agree with you. Teaching someone your beliefs doesn't imply teaching intolerance. Sometimes I think the bloggers here operate in gang fashion and are are little too fast with the keyboard to stop and read what you write.
AK polls are way out of date.
Yesterdays rallies:
McCain/Palin 300 in Anchorage
Obama/Biden 1200 in Anchorage, plus hundreds more in Fairbanks, Juneau, Kenai Peninsula.
We need a new poll!!!
Mule Rider -
If you are seeking to sway my opinion I might suggest you not "hijack the thread". It only makes me more likely to skip over all yoru posts. You can't influence hearts and minds if people won't read you.
mark,
I didn't plan on returning...just wanted to keep reading and occasionally "lurk" the comments.
Low and behold, I saw fred call me an intolerant bigot who attacks gay people. Biggest bold-faced lie anyone has ever said about me.
I jumped in to set the record straight.
I'm sorry I had to take this thing into the mud to do that, but that's what it took to beat down an intolerant bigot like fred. He's just a bigot against anyone who want the freedom to believe in God. He hates them and attacks them and wishes they were all dead.
Ginny-
Great analysis. WE do need more polling up there. The last poll was in the Palin bounce, which I assume was larger there than anywhere. What an interesting election.
According to Fox News and John Gibson, it's called "stealing the election" if black people are voting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmn1PDULdNY&eurl
What a joke that network is. Bunch of racists.
I love my mother, she is very religious.
brandon-
The GOP looks like it will go to the mud to try and win this. Let's face it, Fox has a vested interest inkeeping repubs in power and the repub number of voters high - they are their viewers.
"
Alex S. said...
Because of Sarah Palin we now know every little detail of this unique little mess that is Alaska.
Most veterans AND 2nd youngest state, weird combination; highest gunownership and relatively high education, strange, too."
AK has the highest percentage of veterans, simply because it has such a small population. It certainly does not have the most veterans.
Small pond.
"I jumped in to set the record straight."
Your spamming didn't set anything straight. If anything, you've made it *more* likely for people to believe whatever it is you were trying to drown out.
Get help.
Charles M Kozierok,
I act like a 2-year old because that's about the only level some posters (fred) understand. He said I was an intolerant bigot who attacks gay people, and that couldn't be further from the truth.
NC_voter,
I never said I deny "evolution." Yes, it is fact. I don't deny that. Species change over time. That IS and HAS BEEN proven.
I said I believe that God created the world and that He put things the way they are.
In other words, the idea of a spontaneous, accidental "big bang" and emergence of living matter from non-living matter are things I DO NOT believe in. And they HAVE NOT nor WILL EVER BE proven as fact.
Charles M. Kozierok,
Don't speak to me or about me. You don't know me yet you hate me, and I could care less. So whatever you say is like water off a duck's back.
Save yourself the keystrokes, Chuckie.
Is the Palin pick by McCain more of a tactic to try to minimize the possible losses in the Senate and House?
Is this the other side of picking Palin?
Repubs probably want to minimize the damage of the corruption, but Palin is being investigated for corruption. LOL
Mule Rider,
First off, I'm sorry, but I'm on the list of people who think you're an intolerant bigot. I gave you the benefit of the doubt until this thread of September 19, where, in my view, you outed yourself as a racist. So please feel free to add me to your list.
Seriously, read your posts in that thread. Think about who you sound like. Any thought that you are somehow being wronged by accusations of intolerance really doesn't withstand objective scrutiny.
Secondly, if you believe yourself to be a fundamentally civil participant in this blog, you are wrong. You have a history of abusive posting yourself, and a fair number of people (Nate included) have been putting up with it with considerably more grace than you have.
Finally, and most importantly, this blog is not about you. It's about polling and prediction in the 2008 campaign. Posting on topic would go a long way toward salvaging your feelings.
oct-
It is becoming clear they did not vet Palin well, but the one thing they did know about was Troopergate. It is amazing thatthe thing they DID know may be even worse than all the crap they did not. Troopergate is pretty clearly their bed, they made it, they need to own it.
Sarah Palin seems to be the gift that keeps on giving...this will get McCain off message again if anything come out.
RE: FOX "news" I'm thinking that if Obama won the election, it could very well be that Murdoch would get rid of his current crop of "newscasters" and replace them with some real reporters - just to stay in business?
I don't know - just dreaming I guess but how cool would it be to have a channel (just one channel, please God) that just had news and not opinion? Isn't there a huge demand for that?
All we hear about is people on both sides complaining about these biased reporters and talking heads on these asinine cable channels who really are not in any way bright or informed.
"You don't know me yet you hate me, and I could care less."
You're just another loud-mouthed moron on the Internet, not worth the trouble of hating.
And you've already provided dozens of posts proving how much you "could care less" about what people are saying, hmm?
I always heard that there were two topics never to bring up at family dinners are politics and religion...
I would amend that to say both topics should be kept as far apart from each other in any discussion as possible.
Reader,
You outed yourself as a bigot just then. I said nothing racist or race related in that thread.
The only thing I could find is I said I wanted Barack Obama humiliated for being a very poor commander-in-chief.
I like seeing all of our sworn leaders humiliated when they are colossal douchbags. I like seeing Bush get hammered for his screw-ups.
How is that racist? Not following.
Thus, by you accusing me of being racist with totally unrelated evidence makes you a lie-mongering bigot.
mc9ain-
Dream on. Rush made his name shredding Clinton daily. These guys actually are better off when their party is out of power in some ways. I bet their viewership does drop, but the ardent crazies will become more loyal.
@ Charles
I concur!
Charles crook--
Are you the real Charles Crook? That is the funniest post I have read in a long time...
I'm not a judgmental person. i'm very, very tolerant.
That being said, there's one thing I hate.
I hate when an ignorant dumb-ass acts like a know-it-all that can teach you something.
This is why I hate Sarah Palin. She's a dumb, stupid bitch. Among the worst of us 300 million Americans. She's white trash and wants to tell us what's what and who's who. She can fuck off!
To my knowledge, yes.
Intrade - How do we feel about BO slipping and JM gaining on Intrade over the weekend?
I like your site, good stuff.
As for this site, it seems to have degraded tonight. Sleep well all.
alison-
Looks like manipulation or just someone making a bad bet. BO did not move at Betfair (where he is the likely 76% winner).
Changing the subject, because I love this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RthZgszykLs
Back on topic, I was expecting Alaska to go blue until Palin was picked. Hell, I thought she was a possibility back in march and april, until that scandal broke...so I was very surprised she was picked, due to that.
Yep, to each his own. And I believe unequivocally that the evidence suggests a Higher Power.
Don't take my word for it though. As you said, to each his own.
Well, I've flamed enough. I've had it. I'm exhausted. And I have no idea why on God's green earth I'm trying to defend myself to some of the most hateful and close-minded people on the planet who gather in here like a soccer gang to bully, harrass, and lie about anyone and everyone who isn't a drone to their line of thining.
You know, you're right. If I believe in this God, I should go off to myself and be quiet about it. No since in yelling at you clowns about anything I believe. It doesn't do anybody any good.
I'll make a deal. This WILL BE my final post. Ever. But don't any of you say malicious shit about me from henceforth. I'm like a myth that just dissipates with the passing time. I'll leave this place permanently. Y'all just forget about me permanently.
Deal?!
For the life of me, I've never understood why it is so important to get someone to agree with how life started. What problem does that solve? If we got EVERY LAST ONE of the millions of people on the Earth to agree EXACTLY in a THEORY of evolution, it would NOT SOLVE A DAMN PROBLEM today, tomorrow or in the future.
To me, it's an argument that either really religious people love to have or people who want to impress their intelligence on others. Period. It solves nothing.
The Intrade movement is probably a result of the media aggressively spinning the debate in Palin's favor, though the polls show that it caused no shifts.
Don´t leave Mule.
Intrade odds on Mule Rider leaving for good:
+03 (3%)
If you think it is MORE likely, make a post with a higher number
If you think it is LESS likely, make a post with a smaller number.
Mule Rider, I'm not going to waste time arguing with you. But I have spent enought time around racists to know the code. Convince someone else if you can, but I really don't take you seriously on any topic anymore.
But you can still save yourself future pain! If only you post on topic, and encourage civility and restraint by practicing them, you can still salvage your sanity and reputation!
Oh, who am I kidding. I give up. It's time to come clean. Mule Rider, we really are all in league against you. Almost everyone on this blog is part of a vast conspiracy to put words in your mouth and make you say things you never meant to say. But I promise to be good in the future! And, please feel free never to respond to anything I post again.
Fred, I'm curious which site you mean. I have a genealogy page and a linkedin page, but no other.
From the Mudflats link.
"Here’s my beef. The Anchorage Daily News covered the McCain-Palin rally, as you would expect they would. But, they did not cover the Obama rally. The article on the cover of today’s Anchorage Daily News entitled Pro-Palin Rally Gets Surprise Guests had 535 words. 489 of them were about the McCain-Palin rally, the surprise pop-in from Todd and Piper Palin, and included quotes and observations from the rally-goers. 44 of those words were about the Obama-Biden rally….the rally with four times as many attendees; "
In 14 years, the ADN has not changed at all.
BTW. Sorry to inject more religion into politics. There is actually a pretty good sized bunch of Jews in AK. The refer to themselves as:
The Frozen Chosen.
Ginny, who do you think is going to win Colorado and why? The Denver Post poll was really interesting.
Ginny;
"
The Frozen Chosen."
Seriously? So similar to the Frozen Chosun from the Korean war...
Mule--
Here is a way to think about it maybe: Evolution is God's handiwork.
The earth has been here 4 billion years and life has been here 3.5 billion or so. That is a long time.
Back to the topic of this thread: ALASKA. (Honestly, the childishness is getting a little old, guys.)
Alaska is unique. More polls are really needed to gauge the climate here. I live in one of the more "liberal" places in the state (Sitka), and we are seeing a lot of support for all the democrats running this year. I'm still skeptical, though, until I see more polls. When I hear that the House and Senate races are favored to flip, I feel queasy with the knowledge of what Stevens and Young are capable of. If Stevens is acquitted, it's a complete toss-up. So many people would feel liberated to vote for him with the official sanction that he's not a crook. If he's convicted, Begich has a huge opening that he needs to exploit.
The problem I see is Begich and Berkowitz acting too much like stereotypical "weak" Democrats. They need to show that they are tough.
Alaska could change a lot in the next few years. If McCain loses and the Troopergate findings are damning, I expect Palin to have a tough time getting reelected. We'd also really appreciate being able to elect our Attorney General after the Talis C0lberg debacle we're going through now, as he acts likes Palin's personal lawyer.
ginny in co - have you read "The Yiddish Policemen's Union"? Imagine Israel transplanted to Alaska. Great book.
ALASKA-McCain will win this state by 20-25 points, keep dreaming folks. Palin's debate performance made Alaskans proud.
INTRADE-Intrade and Rasmussen show very similar shifts, and they are not manipulative marks. If you look at each intraday polls, there was manipulation twice early this morning to get McCain to 38, but since then it has steadied out around 35 and 64 for about 8 hours.
Mule,
NO one HAS to set the record straight and certainly not by throwing a tantrum. You won't die if you don't act like an ass on a comments thread when people call you names. Don't be such a baby.
What do you care what people on a message board think? No one here knows you. It's extremely immature to give a rat's ass what strangers think of you. If you have a code of morals and adhere to it, what others think here should only matter to a 13 year old.
People who are grownups don't throw tantrums over name calling. So what if someone you don't even know calls you a bigot?
You called me names the first time I posted on this board. I don't care if other people call me names or insult me. I am an adult and I have a good opinion of me. I don't need approval on the internet.
grow up or go away
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/05/fact-check-is-obama-palling-around-with-terrorists/
Sarah Palin is white trash. There are probably a million or more people in the United States more qualified than she. She is the nail in the coffin of the Republican Party as it exists today. A symbol of everything wrong with the party and why it will not be legitimate national party for a generation until it changes. She'll go down in history books as a symbolic joke of a party gone wrong. What a joke! McCain didn't have the cajones to stand up to his loser party and pick any one of about 10 folks he preferred for the post. (Ridge, Lieberman, Hutchison, Fiorina, Rice).
Michael, none of the Alaskans that I speak to share your sentiments. The 300 that turned up for Palin's rally do, but the 1200 that turned up for Obama/Biden don't.
I still think it will probably go to McCain, but that's no shock to anyone. It will surely be interesting to see the margin though. That's why I'm desperate for more polling.
Palin's debate performance made me and many Alaskans I know utterly embarassed.
alaskaguy said:
"Palin's debate performance made me and many Alaskans I know utterly embarrassed."
I know just how you feel. I'm from Texas.
Mule Rider -
Indoctrinating children (who may be gay) to believe that being gay is immoral is pretty much the DEFINITION of bigotry.
It is also intolerant to force children into a life of misunderstanding the human condition (denying evolution) and clinging to pathologically superstitious "explanations" of reality (denying the big bang.)
For your own good, at least read some Paul Tillich and drag your unenlightened ass into the 20th century. (Never mind making the 21st in this life.)
P.S. There is no God, your parents are self-righteous (probably abusive) liars, and you desperately need professional help for your alcoholism and anger problem.
you guys should be watching
Fox News right now..
Hannity's America doing an ENTIRE SHOW on Obama and friends.
Alison B said...
Intrade - How do we feel about BO slipping and JM gaining on Intrade over the weekend?
I am paralyzed. Those spikes really scare me. I think they are divine signs that Palin is changing the dynamics of this election... because I am very partial to superstition and nonsensical thinking.
Honestly: I think that rogue trader is wasting his/her money.
if you knew anything about trading, you would know that rogue program trading like this, is usually a precursur to a run in one direction or the other.
"you guys should be watching
Fox News right now.."
Uh.....no!
"Hannity's America doing an ENTIRE SHOW on Obama and friends."
The funny thing about people like you, is that you actually think this matters.
I can imagine Mule Rider sucking on Bill-O-Reilly's teat and masturbating to Rush's sweet sweet words.
it should matter.
everyone is being led like lemmings to this Obama character and his regime for severe tax increases.
I have to watch enough fox news when waiting for doctors to know that I NEVER WANT TO WATCH FOX NEWS!
It's..horrible. The bias. It's..just horrible.
if you knew anything about trading, you would know that rogue program trading like this, is usually a precursur to a run in one direction or the other.
Throw some paper trades out there. Just make a couple bets. Show me something. You don't have to use real money, make some predictions.
No one will be talking about Ayers tomorrow. It will be the stock market - The Nikkei is already down 4%. Later in the week earnings reports will be coming out and it won't be good.
I have no facts - just conjecture based on observation. I was never an official alaska resident, but i was up there seasonally for 6 years. what was always curious to me was that a state full of people I would have considered libertarians kept voting schmucks like Stevens into office. But employment seemed to be heavily 1) oil-based, 2)military/other govt and 3) union, which made for some interesting bedfellows. Maybe it was just the folks I knew up there, but a secure Davis-Bacon kind of job is worth its weight in gold up thar. Speaking of pork.
stuff like the wolf-killing "scandal", imo, wouldn't play at all up there - too many hunters, too many more animals than people for that to matter much. The maverick thing is definitely a matter of state pride, and the sessecionist (can't spell!) thing, from what I can tell, is like a rite of passage. Some serious believers, but more a statement about AK'ers belief in their individuality, self-sufficiency, etc. There's definitely a sense that Lower 48ers don't understand the place.
I know at least one educator of special needs children deep in the interior who hates Sarah Palin with a flaming passion...
How long as the Nikkei been open?
"it should matter."
LOL.
So stupid, it's not even worth bothering.
yeah, so stupid. I guess to you.
Subterranean,
So, Mule Rider is hopelessly clueless, ignorant, and dumb? And he is an intolerant bigot because he believes in God and that homosexuality is immoral?
Yet you are the sane, rational intellect simply because you don't believe in God and you think homosexuality is perfectly normal?
I know you don't, but I wish you saw the bitter irony and just how disgusting your point of view is and how close-minded you are.
hey chuck, take this to the bank.
Tomorrow the market will gap down...maybe sink for a couple hours...but end the day on a strong reveral type close. What we call a "V" pattern. It's called capitulation.
duh, meant to say also: lots of Christian communes where I worked, and an equal number of people in the town that didn't trust/like/respect them at all, for being cult-like.
Don't go away mad Ass Rider, just go away.
You call yourself a Christian yet you post hate filled posts against anyone and everyone.
Remember this lovely thing?
"I believe in my heart of hearts Obama is just another silver-tongued politician who is so full of shit he can't see straight.
But I could be wrong. I was just saying that if he is this wonderful magic man who's gonna work wonders for this country and restore our hope and integrity and blah blah blah, then somebody like me will be a primary beneficiary.
And if he doesn't, I'm going to be thrilled watching the utter failure of his presidency and destruction and humiliation of him as a human being. If he proves to be a hack, I want him to be loathed to the core by the angry masses. Nothing less than complete de-humanification will suffice if he fails as President. Nothing.
There will be blood."
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/todays-polls-919.html#comments
What a charming Christian you are.
You are a fucking scum bag.
Charles, They could easily have borrowed it. Being a Unitarian-Universalist, I had much closer (and warmer) connections to the Jewish community.
Eric. I think Colorado will probably go for Obama- especilly if he continues to spend time here. He seems to always bring more voters over where ever he goes. Probably needs to do some townhalls rather than rallies. (And a trip to Alaska - where no presidential candidate has ever campaigned- could have a significant ROI. Alaskans have experienced the reality that no one can really be prepared for the state until they actually go there.)
The Dem convention actually went well in the minds of the locals - who were very uptight about it. So that did not turn off as many as I had feared.
The Hispanic population is a big factor. Couple of issues: the Catholic Bishops decrees on not voting for candidates who are pro-choice. We have a local evening Air America host that is Hispanic and has multiple ties to the Latino community. Mario had an insightful interview with woman who is a well known Hispanic writer recently. They had both been taken aback by the support Sarah was getting from Latino women. The gal had come to the idea that many of these women have not experienced that much racial discrimination as sexist discrimination from within their own culture > If the Obama ground workers are addressing this - and there are many offices, it should be reversed enough to help Obama.
I have not checked the DP. Not worth my time, they are as biased as the ADN. Granted the RMN is deep red but DP is not even light pink IMO.
Hey where's Barack?
Before someone jumps on me, I was not ragging on all Christians. True Christians are some of the best people around. The hate filled right wing Christian supremacists like Ass Rider is what I am completely against.
As we all know, nothing moves the polls like an hour long Hannity special!
"yeah, so stupid. I guess to you."
Well, yeah. You're watching Sean Hannity, who's been smearing and sliming Barack Obama for six months, and telling us excitedly!!! that he's now spending another hour smearing and sliming Barack Obama -- and that this "should matter".
Grow a clue.
ks,
point taken...but this one was particularly sobering about Obama and his shennanigans with Acorn, Flaegler, Ayers and his band of radicals.
So when is the next Alaska poll due?
The stupidity and corruption of their Governor is probably not going to win her many fans. Alaska may still be red after the next round of polls, but barely.
She has totally embarrassed the proud state of Alaska so don't be surprised if they pay her back.
"point taken...but this one was particularly sobering about Obama and his shennanigans with Acorn, Flaegler, Ayers and his band of radicals."
You Fox Noise morons don't get it.
People like Hannity have destroyed their credibility entirely. The only people he is preaching to is his own choir. That's why he doesn't matter.
Now I know why bartenders don't allow discussions on religion or politics---thinks can get pretty nasty. Can we try to be a little more civil toward one another.
kozeriok,
go pay some taxes or something instead of being a dumbass here. Get a jump on those "patriotic" payments..you'll have alot of them if Obama wins. Or do you have no job? Cause if you had one, you'd probably vote differently.
david,
lay of the crackrock.
wes barker -
"So, Mule Rider is hopelessly clueless, ignorant, and dumb? And he is an intolerant bigot because he believes in God and that homosexuality is immoral?"
He is clueless because he imagines morality is a meaningful category to apply to sexual orientation. (Any more than it is to hair color.) He is ignorant because he impoverishes Divinity to the status of a phenomenological artifact subject to existential predicates.
He is not, however, dumb.
"Yet you are the sane, rational intellect simply because you don't believe in God and you think homosexuality is perfectly normal?"
Sanity is relative.
Nonetheless, it is self-evident that homosexuality is "perfectly normal" to homosexuals. I recommend Sullivan's classic text on that debate to get you up to speed.
"I know you don't, but I wish you saw the bitter irony and just how disgusting your point of view is and how close-minded you are."
Hah, I'm not good for much, but I'm better than you can imagine at eviscerating Christian apologists. And CLOSE-MINDED?
Hah.
if you guys wanna make some money, you'd be buying QQQQ (Nasdaq) Nov 37 calls. They'll quadruple off of this low.
"go pay some taxes or something instead of being a dumbass here."
President Obama.
Practice saying it....
P-r-e-s-i-d-e-n-t O-b-a-m-a.
Why would he vote differently?
It is the right wing belief that regulations are unnecessary that brought us to this point. So if he is in financial trouble, why would he vote for someone who is in lock-step with Bush and his evil neo-con trolls?
Don't get upset because he rightly points out that Hannity has no credibility outside his small number of viewers. It is a fact. Just like no one but neo-cons listen to O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Malkin, Coulter, etc. Not one of them have mass appeal, they simply appeal to a small niche. You can say the same thing about a Jello Biafra or Noam Chompsky; at least these guys are intelligent and cite sources, but they still attract a niche audience.
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