Outside Obama's major economic policy speech in Toledo today. Feels like the End Times for somebody, I am forced to report.
[UPDATE] Just to be clear, we at FiveThirtyEight are against Muslim-murdering Presidential Christian babies !FOR! Ohio.
On a completely separate note in Nevada:
Democrats now outnumber Republicans in Washoe County for the first time since 1978, the Washoe County registrar Dan Burk confirmed this afternoon.
As of 2:45 p.m., Democrats had 958 more registered voters than Republicans in Washoe County. However, that number will continue to change over the next several days as registrar officials input new voter registrations. The office is still working through a backlog of applications turned in through registration drives. And prospective voters are reportedly lined up out the door to register this afternoon. Tomorrow is the deadline to register in person and is expected to be a busy day.
Ground game.
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InkStain,
I have confused you with inkblotz. You are in fact different posters, or at the very least different personae.
In broad strokes, your claims this evening have been pragmatic, balanced and insightful.
Good on ya.
@Alyssa
A corollary to the Golden Rule. "Put yourself in the other guy's shoes." It's more about understanding than action. Those are the only morals that my children have been raised on, and they're turning out pretty well (evidenced by their Obama suppport!)
"This might be OT, but the more I read/hear, the happier I am that the primary took so long. It sharpened Obama's skill - especially in debates - and he essentially kept all the same people for the general without missing a beat."
It certainly gave him more heft and gravitas as a candidate.
The inexperience attack might have had at least some traction if he hadn't been in the public's eye for so long in a positive light (winning the primary).
Ink, you said: "A person's faith, if they are seriously practicing it and not just checking a box for public convenience, *does* shape their beliefs and values."
Most people will agree that values like: honesty, patience, politeness, respect for others, generosity and tolerance would be important values to consider in choosing a president.
Do we know anything about these values of a candidate by simply knowing their religion or lack of religion?
Of course not.
"Take one look at what 8 years of Bush have turned the religious right in this country into for an example of how religion and even simple affiliation matter, good or bad."
Do you think that the religious right( a small segment of Christians) were sane before Bush?
No, Bush just made it louder, not worse.
"I have confused you with inkblotz."
I was here long before he was. I was wondering if he was aping off my name or it was a coincidence.
"Do we know anything about these values of a candidate by simply knowing their religion or lack of religion?
Of course not."
Hammer, meet head.
"Do we know anything about these values of a candidate by simply knowing their religion or lack of religion?
Of course not."
I disagree. It may not paint the entire picture, but just like individual polls, it's a data point.
"No, Bush just made it louder, not worse."
Louder, in this case, *is* worse.
Neither Bush, Reagan nor Nixon were regular churchgoers.
Carter, Clinton and Obama are.
McCain said last year he was now a Baptist, after being born Episcopalian, which surprised all his friends, and again doesn't seem to have a regular church.
Go figure.
dr von drinkensnorten:
"Nevermind the baby-killing thing, why shouldn't a muslim, or, some shining, glorious day, an atheist be President?"
Along with a visit from aliens and the capability to upload our brains, the advent of this shining glorious day is something I keenly look forward to. Somehow I suspect the aliens and the uploads will happen first. :(
dr von drinkensnorten:
"Personally, I lack tolerance for all religions equally, and I am saddened that in America, you must first pass a religious test to hold high office. Shameful."
There's no religious test. Voters can choose to vote for whatever candidate they want for whatever reason they want. That's freedom for ya. A democracy is only as smart as its voters. Fortunately, until the day this country comes back full circle to Jefferson and Paine and becomes enlightened enough to elect an atheist to the presidency, we have the Constitution to tide us over.
what does the one data point tell you on any of these values?
Hahaha prison tats! How could I miss that!?! I'm covered in them (not from prison thankfully). I want to photoshop Lil Wayne on that horse with a tattoo gun now.
inkstain,
I think we are just arguing different sides of the same coin.
You may have preconceived notions about someone based on religion, just like people have preconceived notions based on how people dress. That usually has no place in reality.
"what does the one data point tell you on any of these values?"
Depends on the person, the data point itself, and how it relates to all of the other data points on the issue.
In fact, I would prefer any qualifying test to be graded on such a strict scale that only the 10,000 smartest people in the entire country qualify. I would be happy if such a requirement were placed on the candidates. Never mind the voters :p
For example, Obama's Christianity (which I believe is real, not something I would say for all politicians) has shaped his values in that he believes in the moral underpinnings of the progressive agenda. I believe in the moral underpinnings of the progressive agenda, and I'm an atheist. Furthermore, many different flavors of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, and Neo-Pagans... just to name those cases where I personally know examples... also agree. I'm confident that there are Rastafarians, Wiccans, Zoroastrians, Theosophists, Muslims and Hindus who also agree.
Since everybody including Inkstain agrees that what we want to know is a candidate's values, and since religious labels correlate so badly with sets of values -- with both the same religious label encompassing multiple sets of values, and multiple labels encompassing the same values, why not embrace constitutional separation and leave the religious label out of politics?
"You may have preconceived notions about someone based on religion, just like people have preconceived notions based on how people dress. That usually has no place in reality."
Human beings quite literally could not function without making judgments as the kinds you are describing.
I have no problem making a snap judgment based on someone how they dress. It'll be a very weak impression, certainly capable of being changed by further data and nothing strong enough for me to take significant action on, but it's there nonetheless.
Stereotypes have gotten a bad rap because they've been abused in certain situations, but, like earmarks, they are there for a good reason and often serve positive ends.
InkStain:
Maybe my vision is irreparably distorted but everytime I read your username, it does easily appear like Stalin.
I really can't let go of your doctor killing 1/4rd(sic) of 3 million quantified as "fundamentlaists"(sic again), 750k small fraction of a percent (meaning 7,500=1 percent) a small fraction of which are in favor of killing abortion doctors. I can't fully understand how many is a small fraction. Say about 1/15 is still 500 potential killers or doctor killer advocates out there. One is too many, I reckon. Please, sometimes reckless comments like these scare the hell out of me if not a lot of us.
"Since everybody including Inkstain agrees that what we want to know is a candidate's values, and since religious labels correlate so badly with sets of values -- with both the same religious label encompassing multiple sets of values, and multiple labels encompassing the same values, why not embrace constitutional separation and leave the religious label out of politics?"
Because I disagree with you on the strength of the correlation, especially depending on the strength of the affiliation.
@ak_space_man
I agree. The only time I have a problem with religion or the religious is when they don't respect MY life and MY decisions and that it might not be the same as theirs. This is where the argument lies. Again, do unto others....
Ink-
I see you won't answer my question. Thats usually a sign that you have lost the argument.
"I really can't let go of your doctor killing 1/4rd(sic) of 3 million quantified as "fundamentlaists"(sic again),"
I didn't say that, and congratulations on the snark on my typos. Do you want me copy-edit your posts? I spent several years as a professional copy-editor; I'm sure I could find a few things.
"Say about 1/15 is still 500 potential killers or doctor killer advocates out there. One is too many, I reckon."
I agree. But your attempts to lump the entire 750k into that 500 is insulting, demeaning, intellectually futile and no different than what we are seeing from the person in the photo that started this thread.
"I see you won't answer my question. Thats usually a sign that you have lost the argument."
It's usually a sign that you are trying to phrase the argument in a way I disagree with. You are demanding that I name some sort of specific "This religion must equal this viewpoint" scenario, and since that's not what I'm arguing, there's no point to responding to it. You are trying to create a strawman of my argument.
It always gets touchy and involved on religion.
Alyssa:
"I don't know... I was raised the first 8 years of my life as Episcolpalin (sp?).
I can't even spell it. And I def couldn't tell you one thing about what Episcopalians believe other than it's some form of Christianity and possibly "slightly" moderate? I think...? But have no idea."
You are one of the lucky ones. Intense childhood religious indoctrination is the order of the day in many parts of the country/world. These viruses have had a long time to evolve into the beasts that they are. :)
"It always gets touchy and involved on religion."
That's a good sign that it's something people feel strongly about, so it'd be foolish and futile to ignore it.
That poster is completely unfair. Obama is not a Muslim. If only the other part wasn't true, check his voting record.
Goodnight everyone. See you all Tuesday.
As usual, good point Ink. Don't let them turn you into a 538 Freeper. Haha.
Nite yall.
"You are demanding that I name some sort of specific "This religion must equal this viewpoint" scenario, "
No, since you said that a person's faith shapes their values, I'm just asking for one example.
You also say you would need more data.
Lets say candidate A had 999 data points showing him to be a trust worthy person. If an additional data point were found, such as that he is an atheist, would you then be able to say anything more about the candidate's trustworthiness?
No, I didn't think so.
"No, since you said that a person's faith shapes their values, I'm just asking for one example."
I gave one. I find Obama's belief that progressive social values are a moral imperative, which he himself says is a product of his religion, rather than a utilitarian practicality, to be an interesting and important distinction.
"Lets say candidate A had 999 data points showing him to be a trust worthy person. If an additional data point were found, such as that he is an atheist, would you then be able to say anything more about the candidate's trustworthiness?"
Nope. But let's say that a candidate's atheism was part of the framework of a values system that emphasized humanism, I'd find that to be an interesting data point and one that would influence my expectations on how he would react in various situations.
Unfortunately there are a lot of idiots in this country who'll actually believe the guy holding the sign. Sad but true, that's why Obama supporters need not to take it for granted that it's in the bag for Obama.
Vote you dummy!
BTW that guy isn't really a Christian but someone who uses it as a cover for their own fear.
"But let's say that a candidate's atheism was part of the framework of a values system that emphasized humanism, I'd find that to be an interesting data point and one that would influence my expectations on how he would react in various situations."
It might influence *your* expectations on how that person might react, but my guess is that you will be wrong about 50% of the time. You may as well flip a coin. This data point, by itself, will tell you nothing about a person's values or how they will react in various situations.
Sorry, Ink, but the only reliable thing to base your expectations on is past actions.
"my guess is that you will be wrong about 50% of the time. This data point, by itself, will tell you nothing about a person's values or how they will react in various situations."
My guess is that your guess is wrong. That's how life and politics works sometimes :)
The point remains that, just like we don't throw out any polls, we shouldn't throw out any data points, we simply decide how much weight they deserve.
"Sorry, Ink, but the only reliable thing to base your expectations on is past actions."
Such as the action to choose to practice a specific religion?
"The point remains that, just like we don't throw out any polls, we shouldn't throw out any data points, we simply decide how much weight they deserve."
If it were a data point in Nate's model, it would deserve a weighting of about 0.01.
Value: Generosity
Good Data Point (weight 1.34): Donates 10% of his salary to the Red Cross.
Bad data point (weight 0.01): Practices religion X
Florida has flipped to "leaning Obama" on RCP. Nice.
"If it were a data point in Nate's model, it would deserve a weighting of about 0.01."
A completely arbitrary decision on your part. If we've reached the point where we're just talking about arbitrary values, I think it's time to agree to disagree :)
We've seen so, so many of these stories and images about Barack Obama being a Muslim or a terrorism. Have you seen even one story where someone from an "angry pro-Obama mob" really thought McCain was a Nazi spy or double agent brainwashed by the Vietnamese or anything nearly this wacky? Is it only Republicans that are this ignorant?
McCain was a Nazi spy or double agent brainwashed by the Vietnamese
Hey ... I like that, and it makes more sense than the Obama stuff. McCain is a sleeper commie! Thats why he agreed to the bailout, and thats why he supports the continuation of Bushes policies to destroy America and the free world!
Suddenly, it all makes sense!
As a Muslim American, I have been deeply hurt by this election. I am eighteen years old and was born and raised in the United States. My family originates from Sudan and I am the first person to ever cast a vote in a United States election. I voted, at 17, in the primaries for Obama, and am proud to say that my father is now a US citizen and you can count on two votes from my family for Obama.
Its absolutely frightening that being a Muslim goes on the con column for president in this country. Islam is the religion I know- it is the religion of my family and the religion I am comfortable with- my own personal connection to God. Personlly, I am very tolerant of other religions and believe in Islam as a philophical teaching more than anything else. My point is that many people do not realize that- like every other religion- people incorportate it into their lifestyle to their own extent.
I think that "Not voting for Obama because he is a Muslim" is the new "Not voting for Obama because he is a nigger." I am so ashamed that the country that I know and love- a country that my family has worked HARD for as small business owners and myself as a full scholar at Duke- has let flat out Anti-Arab sentiment/ Islamophobia become such a large factor.
The one thing that I will never forgive the Bush administration for is allowing hatred to brew out of its "terrorism" brainwashing. I was accused of being a terrorist by classmates at age thirteen. Told that Muhammad was a "rapist" and that a mother had told a classmate we could no longer be friends.
Please everyone, do not let this Ohio man win the election. Knock on doors, make phone calls, and get your friends to the polls on election day.
It seems Merka is ready for an AA president. I think it's going to be a while before someone who openly says "I'm an atheist" is accepted as a legitimate candidate. :( And that's really a shame.
>> I think it's going to be a while before someone who openly says "I'm an atheist" is accepted as a legitimate candidate.
And yet there are about as many atheists (roughly 16% of the population) as there are protestants (Obama - 18%).
Only Evangelicals (26%) and Catholics (24%) rank higher.
See the Pew Forum Survey
dr von --- I think Obama supporters react so violently against the "Muslim" thing is because it's NOT TRUE not because we think there's something inherently wrong with being a Muslim. It's actually doubly disturbing because the people who are lying about this also think that it is an insult.
That being said I do not that that a Muslim could win the Presidency in this country. In fact I have a hard time imagining any non Christian winning.
Help Elect Obama
And to make it clear: I think it's a very bad thing that people make such a big deal out of the religion of candidates. I'd prefer if religion were not an issue in politics. I think faith should something a personal thing - it has no place in politics.
inkstain, i agree with your comments so far in general. I think something that would be of intrest is what seperation of church and state means to a person making policy. Personally, I think what it means is that policy decisions made on moral basis need to be carefully considered with regard to the minority religion and views as well as a need to explain policy in non-religious terms. This is not a traditional understanding. I also think that the any policy of course is going to be affected by the religion of the policy maker, it is intellectually dishonest to suggest anything else. By the way, I absolutely love this site, keep up the good work. So you know Obama seems to be making a push, at least heavily advertising here in Lincoln NE, the 1st district, how awsome is that!!!!
Evangelicals are types of Protestants. Protestants make up like 50% of Americans and Catholics are about 25%. If you add in Mormons and Eastern/Greek/Russian Orthodox, about 80% of americans are Christians.
Jews are about 2% and Muslims about 3% of Americans.
Polls consistently show that no open atheist could be elected president.
When a woman at a rally said she heard that Obama was an Arab, McCain looked odd and responded: "No ma'am, he's a decent family man."
Now, how is being a decent family man inherently inconsistent with being an Arab?
mrinsight22, It shouldn't be but for a suprising number of people in this country, it is. This is part of the inherent problem with democracy that we must face when working to create a more perfect union. We've seen so many examples of this throughout our history. Bringing up the question is a step in the right direction.
William Howard Taft was an atheist. Guess we've gone backwards in our acceptance of beliefs.
From Wikipedia....
Taft was brought up in the
Unitarian church and remained a faithful Unitarian his entire life (later in life he once remarked, "I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of the postulates of the orthodox creed to which I can not subscribe."[2]).
Adams and Jefferson were Unitarians too, and Jefferson of course rewrote the bible.
So was Mike Gravel (not that he was going to win anything).
Greetings from New Zealand
It always amuses me that America likes to consider itself as the enlightened leader of the free world. I live in a tiny country in comparison where we have our current female Prime Minister (our 2nd female PM) running for a 3rd term. We have a Muslim Member of Parliament, the worlds first transexual Member of Parliament. Our Prime Minister participates in the Gay Pride parade and no-one bats an eye.
I have never even seen anyone like the guy in this picture except IN pictures from the US. It's crazy really.
By the way, by no means do I judge all Americans based on nut jobs like this guy, but religion does not enter politics here (most suspect our PM is agnostic) so it is just very difficult for us to relate to this sort of thing.
I'm totally unconvinced that one's religion has anything to do with how well one would govern. The relationship, to me, is tenuous at the very best. So, my filter is I just don't care about it at all.
There's no reason a Christian, or a Muslim, or anything else would inherently be a better/worse leader. I'm old enough to remember JFK's having to fight the idea that a Catholic president would bring this country to its knees.
On a side note, although it's clear that the signholder is in favor of Christian adulterers running the country, I'd really be curious to hear his reasons why that's ok. Break a commandmant, no problem?
That guy just reads my mind!
!Ohio AGAINST Christians!
Baby-murdering Muslims for president!
Without the hyphen one would be talking about baby muslims who are murderers.
Can't trust them. Not even their toddlers.
How do you think I feel.
I live in Ohio and actually work with several people just like the guy in the picture.
No Child Left Behind sure has helped create a lot of new Republican voters.
The OTHER side of the sign reads
"Ohio Christians FOR Muslim Baby Murdering President"
Has anyone asked the 'guy with the sign' why he doesn't have a sign that rebukes the thousands and thousand of children of Iraqi who have been killed and maimed by the invasion? (I refuse to call it a war.)
Inkstain~
I respect the Christians that use their faith to guide them morally and have no desire to impose such moral edits on to the rest of us. Perhaps I am uber-sensitive on this. I personally think it is nonsense and that no logic can exist where religious views are concerned. This is a product of a Jehovah's Witness upbringing. Thank God JW's don't vote. The religious freaks who are apolitical are the best kind.
I think it is the so very obvious that stirs us. But the majority of voters are not so obviously nut.
So if you spend a lot of energy chasing the totally absurd, do you lose steam when it gets to organizing the smart ones to get out and vote?
Let it be clear to everyone that Muslims are against abortions! It is Islamically prohibited to take the life of someone including babies unjustly...period!
Do NOT blame Islam for these psychotic wahhabis who go around killing people including muslims left and right. Before they started killing americans, they were killing us with the support of the american and british governments. Just look at the history of the Saudi/Wahhabi regime.
I'm glad I no longer live in Ohio.
I think we'll have an openly atheist president within a few decades, or at least we could have one.
Americans like their formalities and protocols, and one of the traditions of American politics is that you at least nominally subscribe to a church, whether you believe it or not.
You'd think that these sign-carrying idiots would at least wear a Klan hood, or something...
Good thing for that protester that no one that meets the description on his sign is running for president. He should definitely go "get a job" now.
That man just confirms what the rest of the world think of the USA- that it is a deeply prejudiced, racist Republic. The world would be such a better place if America dropped the gung-ho, cowboy, marine, hockey mum, we know best so don't need to talk to anyone before invading sovereign states, we are the greatest so we can do what the feck we please image that it has sworn by for the duration of my short life. FFS USA, this isn't the 60s any more, you've got serious paranoia issues man, sort it out, for all our sakes.
If you vote McCain, you won't get more of the same, you will get a lot lot worse. Palin will not rest until Europe (where I happen to live) has been razed and turned into a nuclear wasteland. McCain will bankrupt you. The pair of them will take America to the brink of total collapse and beyond. Every society on Earth will suffer. I implore you Americans to vote and vote for Obama. No, I beg you to. I would vote Obama every time if I was an American. He can take you out of these dark, dark days and earn America the respect from the rest of the world that it needs. The Bully Boy Bush policies, which McCain will escalate and throw trillions more dollars at, have crossed the line in the eyes of the rest of us, there's no need for all of the aggression all of the time. McCain says it is no good to talk to anyone unless they follow USA foreign policy and agree with it first??? He foolishly believes that, by talking to Iran, for example, the USA would be condoning the Iranian antics with regards to the nukes. To me that reads, 'we will shoot first and ask questions later'! Insanity. It is a childish attitude that will get us all nuked. How on earth will America ever make peace with a nation if it flatly refuses to talk to them? As soon as Obama or one of his people go and sit down with the Iranians, the USA will be in a much more powerful position and can't be accused of being ignorant, like it is today. Ask yourself, if a child unknowingly misbehaves in class at their first day at school do you, as the teacher, keep punishing him or her until they start behaving without talking to them, or do you talk to them and tell them what they were doing wrong, asking them no to do it again? Ok, Iran knows that nukes are bad but I am sure that, given the right conditions and diplomacy, anything can be achieved. The absolute wrong way to go is to use force and violence without even talking.
Obama is the way forward for America and the rest of the world. He will be the first real step along the way to the USA shedding the robes of its ugly history for good and forever!
Alyssa: I guess I shouldn't comment. I'm extremely sheltered. You never never see people like this guy in NYC. I mean NEVER EVER EVER.
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There's one in downtown San Francisco just the other day. San Francisco! Holding up a "GOD HATES HOMOSEXUALS" sign. Guess they are all over.
Now, I'm actually !FOR! baby-murdering Muslim presidents.
Where's my candidate?
I just HAVE to laugh. These kooks want to bring up Rev. Wright, but they still want to say Barack Obama is muslim. Don't they realize that they are contradicting themselves?
I am not a single-issue voter, so I don't find this guy's sign compelling... ;)
I saw this "photo of the day" and recognized the man in the picture from the 2007 St. Patrick's Day Pentagon March I attended:
http://www.beterwas.com/2007/03/17/st-patricks-day-in-dc/
More on that, with pictures of his friends:
http://www.beterwas.com/2007/03/
Professional operative, perhaps?
The faces of the republician party, plump so-called Christian white men, and white haired confused old ladies screaming "arab."
How anti-christian of him! What's scarier is the mounted police behind him... doing nothing about it. People were arrested for less at the RNC.
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