10.18.2008

"Real" America Looks Different to Palin, Obama

Yesterday, at a fundraiser in Greensboro, North Carolina, Sarah Palin said the following:

We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation.
Palin refers to the fact that the cities and towns she has gotten to visit represent the "real America". So what exactly do these places look like?

Since her coming out in Dayton, Ohio on August, 29th, Palin has held (or is scheduled to hold) public events in 44 cities according to the Slate.com candidate tracker. These include all events described as "rallies", "town halls", "gatherings" or "discussions", but not things like press availabilities, fundraisers or debates.

I looked at the racial composition of voting-age (18+) population in these 44 cities as according to the 2000 census.** They are, on average, 83.3 percent non-Hispanic white, 7.5 percent black, 5.2 percent Hispanic, and 4.0 percent "other". By comparison, the US 18+ population in 2000 was 72.0 percent white, 11.2 percent black, 11.0 percent Hispanic, and 5.9 percent other. Thirty-four of Palin's 44 cities were whiter than the US average.



Over the same interval, Barack Obama had public events scheduled in 48 distinct cities. The racial composition of these cities was 69.8 percent white, 17.4 percent black, 8.9 percent Hispanic, and 4.0 percent other. The percentage of whites very nearly matches the US average 72.0 percent; 22 of Obama's cities were whiter than average, and the other 26 were less white than average. Obama, however, has visited cities with a relatively larger fraction of blacks than in the US as a whole.



Obama's cities have also been a bit poorer than average, with an average median household income (as of 2000) of $37,743, as compared with the US average of $42,100. The average income of the Palin cities is $42,500, very close to the national norm.

Since white voters have historically turned out at higher rates than minorities, and since there are probably proportionately more swing voters among whites than among minority groups, one can argue that Palin's choice of locales reflects optimal strategy. Still, the difference between her geography and Obama's is fairly striking.

** In three cases, the candidates held rallies in townships that did not have city-level data available per the Census Bureau. In these cases, county-level data was used instead.

Also, note that some of the figures posted originally were incorrect (for Palin, they reflected the entire population rather than the voting-age population as we intended). They have now been corrected.

1025 comments

Chi said...

New Thread. Yay!

Chad said...

Man, the things she says when she's not reading the teleprompter....

I hope she fails hard on SNL tonight and they bring out the stupid in her.

JJ said...

Interesting also that Palin seems to think the real america is small towns and whatnot. Theres nothing inherently WRONG with that attitude, but it shows where she is more comfortable

Charles said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGCQfCZo8DE

Today one of McCain's talking heads referred to "Real Virginia" as opposed to democratic-leaning Northern Virginia. Richmond votes democratic too, is that not "real Virginia?"

T.W. said...

The point is stronger than Nate makes it, because in racially divided cities like Richmond and Jacksonville, there's no mystery "which Jacksonville" will turn out & be addressed by Palin...

Noah said...

I've said it before. The democrats shouldn't make race an issue, but M-P are race baiting. They're trying to make obama the "other" and in america that will always have racial implications.

MATT J. H. said...

You guys have to hear what the wingnuts are saying about Obama's 100,000 person rally in MO today. Their comments ranged from literal disbelief to the photo was doctored to Obama is like Hitler.

Pete Kent and Jack-Be-Nimble, don't you guys see what side you are on. It's the side of ignorance and small minds.

Chi said...

Anyone got news on Selzer's IN poll? Should we expect a midnightish release on the IndyStar?

fred said...

Gorgeous approach to the numbers, and perfect take home.

Nice work Nate.

jack-be-nimble said...

I am sure many of the 100,000 were felons that cannot vote.

Joe the Plumber was not there. He was working on his biceps and negotiating his book contract.

wrongwaygoback said...

This is one of the best, and most interesting, pieces of analysis done here on 538. Keep going, it's only getting better.

Ben said...

PALIN DID NOT SET FOOT IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA. You should take that off your list. She went to Henrico County and stayed out of Richmond, to the bewilderment of everyone around Richmond, who is used to the candidates appearing in the city.

jmonster said...

Does this control for population of the cities?

Todd Dugdale said...

I would be remiss if I did not point out the Palin visit to Minnesota was in Blaine, but Blaine is just a suburb of Minneapolis. Minneapolis is not very similar to Blaine in terms of demographics.

It was a stop at an airplane hangar, and Blaine just happened to have a spare one. I sincerely doubt that the racial/social demographic of the suburb was a factor in Blaine's selection.

mc9cain said...

The opponent to Michell Bachman in MN, (the female Joseph McCarthy on MSNBC last night with Tweety) received a total of $450,000 in a 24 hour time period from donations all over the internet. (!!!)
This is not the Minnesota I knew growing up there about 50 miles from her district. She needs to be GONE.

In all seriousness, I don't know how he's going to spend all this cash before the 4th. Maybe do a 1/2 hour like Barack? :)

http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081018/NEWS01/110180039/1009

newsfromOH said...

Fascinating.

Of course she's comfortable speaking to crowds of white people--she's from ALASKA (the microcosm of the US--which it so totally isn't . . . as the largest welfare state in the Union)

Marx was right said...

One Word Means Both Hip & Hot in French. It's Obama

PARIS — His visage appears between the svelte curves of fashion models on Europe's most prestigious runways. His speeches are remixed into thumping music tracks in underground dance clubs. His campaign slogans are the foundation for modern art hanging on trendy Parisian gallery walls.

In Europe, Barack Obama is much more than the Democratic presidential nominee. He's the hip new thing.

More than any other American politician since John F. Kennedy, Obama not only has captivated Europe, he's also become a cultural icon.

"Barack Obama represents our hidden consciousness, our hidden dreams," said Helene Faussart, who's half of Les Nubians, the Grammy-nominated Parisian Afro-beat duo. "He really represents the America we imagine it to be."

Even before 200,000 supporters converged on Berlin's Brandenburg Gate in July to hear Obama, it was obvious that he'd struck a chord in Europe.

Obama represents something more than just a possible change in direction for the United States after eight years of often-divisive Bush administration policy. He's come to symbolize the hopes of young, disenfranchised Europeans, who see him as a transforming figure for their continent, as well, said Oliver Richomme, a French professor of American history and the co-author of "Barack Obama's America."

"He seems to be a candidate of the 21st century," Richomme said.

Nowhere is that sense of transformation more palpable than in Paris, which has been jarred by two rounds of rioting in the last three years that forced the country to confront its inability to integrate growing numbers of disenfranchised immigrants, including large numbers of Muslims from France's former North African colonies.

More than 6,000 supporters have joined an Obama political support group. DJs have mixed his best-known speeches into house music tunes. Parisian women tote designer purses with his face on them.

Earlier this month at the Paris Fashion Week, at least four top European designers unveiled dresses, skirts and tops featuring images honoring Obama.

Closure said...

America has a chance to become greater. Obama 08

quantman said...

Great Work and facts Nate!

This CONFIRMS what most people are beginning to fully understand.

This is now between WHITES and non-whites!

WHITES are per McCain/Palin, the REAL America.

Everybody else, is either anti-American, hates America or sympathizes with terrorists.

WHO would have thought the John McCain I knew and admired would come down so LOW?!

A Man who will do anything and say anything to win- McCain puts McCain FIRST!

That's the REAL John McCain!

Boy, did he fool me well all these decades!

David said...

`Mute wins right to enter speech contest'
is getting close to being my all-time favorite headline
stolen from The New York Times.

It says everything, but is also confusing to me
for until I read it the only quote I knew about forced silence
was Cicero's "Law stands mute in the midst of arms"
and here was information that said a mute had used the law as arms,
and thus this is something Cicero's left unaccounted for.



www.johnnygoodyear.com

Vinny said...

Funny that the right-wingers were criticizing Gallup and orgasming over TIPP, and now it's the opposite. lmfao, they're like little children.

Alyssa said...

@Charles

I saw that today and commented on it in a previous thread. I was looking for it on youtube with no luck.

I hate that woman. I love how she scrambles when he called her on that shit. Cork even took another jab about it again later in the show.

Every step of the way this election is making me more and more detested with Republicans on a whole.

newsfromOH said...

mc9cain

That just made my day--she rants, opponent gets flooded with donations.

Kind of like the Planned Parenthood drive to donate in Palin's name so she would get notices of the generous donations. I think it raised close to a million in short order.

Seems like the GOP antics have united the vast majority of the country into action!

Snax said...

Nancy Pftftpftfgottinhemmelheur has just said on MSNBC Northern Virginia isn't "really Virginia" - I guess after his brother labelled them commies McChump has written off his chances in VA.

jwhit said...

Speaking of the R-word, Huffpost cites fivethirtyeight in an article about the disgusting calls being made by McSame's campaign:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/18/racist-n-word-robocall-re_n_135812.html

Todd Dugdale said...

mc9cain wrote:
This is not the Minnesota I knew growing up there about 50 miles from her district. She needs to be GONE.

Bachmann is in a profoundly gerrymandered district and narrowly won by capturing the evangelical vote. Those evangelicals are now deserting her due to the Petters scandal. Dozens of local churches and charities were scammed out of everything they had because they trusted Bachmann when she vouched for Petters' con men.

jack-be-nimble said...

For those who don't know, Tipp changed their likely model screen about a week or so ago right after they started so Obama wouldn't be embarrassed.

They will likely change it again when they are too far out.

Alyssa said...

"Joe the Plumber was not there. He was working on his six pack and negotiating his 1 page book contract."


FIXED.

Aunt Karen said...

In MA, if you were (are?) a felon who has served their sentence, and fulfilled the terms of probation, you can re-register to vote (it's a state by state thing, or, on our case, a commonwealth by commonwealth - isn't that a nice socialist word? - commonwealth - thing). I called a bunch to let them know they could reregister and vote.

It isn't a huge difference here, if we got any bluer, we'd be, well, really really dark blue.

But it does make a difference!

jack-be-nimble said...

Michelle Bachman will be the next head of Homeland Security. Bank on it.

mc9cain said...

Nate,
I think you are trying to give Palin credit for knowing her geography lol. That would be incorrect with her telling us last week that New Hampshire is now in the Northwest. But she does KNOW HER COLORS!

Ed M. said...

I am sure many of the 100,000 were felons that cannot vote.

Felons can vote in MO, but you are serious scum.

How many felons are at Palin rallies? I know I saw Robert Asher at a PA one, and he was on the damn stage!

Marx was right said...

Homeland Security is nothing but a gigantic slush fund for the cronies and contractors in the Bush administration.

It needs to be disbanded.

k said...

Just want to say, that this was an interesting take on the cities. Obviously this census data is a bit out of data, I would imagine quite a percentage of people have moved around(case in point, NC, Virginia having more democratic voters etc). Nevertheless it highlights the priorities of the respective campaigns.

And really in my mind, this constant hammering on the notion of the "other"(real america, pro america) is dangerous in my view. With rhetoric like that, it appeals to the right wing, but I would imagine it scares of independents. So much for uniting America. I would have thought being an American citizen, would be enough to be seen as a real American, or pro-American. I guess I am wrong.

I hope SNL goes tough on Palin. If she views the small areas as real america, why does she show up to NYC? Considering the racial composition, the number of people, and the amount of democrat voters there, that city is not American enough(I find that thought hilarious).

Vinny said...

Those PA rallies make me ashamed to live there.

Good thing we're ahead by double digits. =) Fuck Pennsyltucky.

Patrick said...

Nate,

Check your numbers for Lancaster, PA. Senator Obama has visited the City of Lancaster three times now (twice before the PA Primary and once in September). Governor Palin was just here today and Senator McCain was here a few weeks ago.

So you've got Lancaster, PA on both the Palin and Obama charts, but the demographics are different on each chart.

Lancaster County is overwhelmingly white, but the City of Lancaster is very diverse with a large African-American and Latino (mostly Puerto Rican) population. The County will vote heavily for McCain/Palin. The City (where I live) will vote overwhelmingly for Obama/Biden.

Alyssa said...

"Tipp changed their likely model screen about a week or so ago right after they started so Obama wouldn't be embarrassed."


Prove it.

Vinny said...

All these new trackers are annoying. I liked it better when it was just the Gallup/Ras/Hotline trio. Much less noise.

Real Joe said...

we need more state polls

jack-be-nimble said...

BREAKING ON DRUDGE

OBAMA SUPPORTER STOLE MENTALLY-CHALLENGED MAN'S VOTE

OBAMA SUPPORTER BEATS WIFE

eponymous said...

Wait a tick, I live in Chicago. That's not a small town, right?


Damn, I guess I'll be going to get a new passport then...

fred said...

TIPP changed their model as they were losing all cred as a pollster. You can lie for a client, but their is a limit or the lie loses credibility.

NY Expat said...

Clearly, there's a pretty huge disparity between the Obama and Palin stops by population, much more drastic than the differences in racial composition.

I wonder if there would be a greater disparity based on religion, specifically Christian/Non-Christian.

Chi said...

Poor Matt Drudge. He's pining for Joe the Plumber to lay pipe on him.

Tyler said...

Richmond, Charlottesville, Newport News, and Norfolk all vote democratic and are no where near Northern Virginia. Listen I know that Palin is the VP pick but should anyone with half a brain or an education "really" seriously consider any depth or nuance from what this woman says to the good old boys?

Vinny said...

The lack of state polls is surprising this late in the election.

jackleone said...

The McCarthyism of the Right comes from a simple logic.

1. They are absolutely right about everything.
2. They are Americans.

Therefore, they are real Americans and everyone else is their enemy and "un-American".

jUUggernaut said...

Re-education probably evokes the image of Maoist indoctrination camps but here's what I hope for:

I hope that President Obama - perhaps with some other intelligent people by his side, including his admirable wife - resumes Roosevelt's "fireside chats" to shape people's perspective on what drives the economy, how to regain traction in foreign policy, how to build a sustainable energy future, and what parents can do to have an influence on their children's education.

I wish I could say this in neutral terms but it's impossible: The level of ignorance in the American public measured by what they would need to comprehend to make sense of their world is abysmally low. (It may well apply to other contries but I want you to take this personally).

People don't know what taxes are for.

People don't know what our empire costs (i.e. the military)

People don't know that alternative practiced abroad do very well (eg health care)

People don't know that most of "business" is nothing but gambling

People don't know that good governance is better than 'small government'

People don't know that government spending can be an investment that returns money, such as the GI bill

People don't know that privatization means socializing costs and privatizing profits

People don't know their son is gay and that their daughter is pregnant.

Real Joe said...

jack-be-nimble said...
BREAKING ON DRUDGE

OBAMA SUPPORTER STOLE MENTALLY-CHALLENGED MAN'S VOTE

OBAMA SUPPORTER BEATS WIFE


HAHAHAHAHAHA

Real Joe said...

vinny said...
The lack of state polls is surprising this late in the election.


damn right

fuck the pollsters

jack-be-nimble said...

DEVELOPING....

ZOGBY TIED SUNDAY...

Real Joe said...

DEVELOPING....

JACK IS CRAZY

eponymous said...

Honestly, all the hubbub about individual trackers doesn't make sense to me. If you head on over to pollster.com they have a good graphic on how various national tracking polls looked at the race in 2004, and groups of them took very different dips and turns to get to their final results. Point is, when you analyze their trends as a group, and not individually, you can get the most useful information.

Vinny said...

I know...there were as many polls in 04 as there are now (though not as much national trackers). I was expecting there to be a great deal more now that it's 2008.

Zenu said...

I think "pro-american" and "un-american" are the dumbest things the right have ever come up with. How many other countries have this insane nationalistic zealotry like we do? Maybe Germany back in the third reich era. It's dangerous. We were against countries who were against us, and now we're against people in our own country, calling them un-american (what the hell is an American, exactly? I think the only qualification is citizenship, but correct me if I'm wrong).

I'm so tired of all the ignorant crap spewing out of the mouths of these people. Do we really want them in charge of our country?

Kevin Winterfield said...

Nate - nothing like a statistician to prove the obvious. When do you do this stuff - in the shower?

Just a 5 minute glance at the each party's convention attendees drives one to the same conclusion.

;-)

-k
g+s+

Eric said...

Regarding Palin,

So, I'd say about 20% of the country loves her, 60% dislikes her, and 20% hate her or what she stands for within this election. The question is, do we think more people detest the idea of her or love her to no end. She's extremely polarizing. IMO opinion she's the sole reason that McCain can't win under any circumstance because of that other 80%. This is the one story I think of as not being covered enough by MSM. This woman is an utter disaster. She's a much, much bigger weight on McCain than the economy is.

jack-be-nimble said...

More bad news for the The New Democratic Socialist Welfare Party:

PAPER: Obama's NH event scraps National Anthem...

Farrakhan Says 'New Beginning' For Nation of Islam...

Dow Has Biggest Weekly Gain Since 2003...

Hamas: America's economic turmoil is 'divine punishment'... then backs Obama....developing.....

In 1976, Jimmy Carter narrowly beat Gerald Ford 50.1 percent to 48 percent. And yet, on Sept. 1, Carter led Ford by 15 points. Just weeks before the election, on Oct. 16, 1976, Carter led Ford in the Gallup Poll by 6 percentage points -- down from his 33-point Gallup Poll lead in August.

In 1980, Ronald Reagan beat Carter by nearly 10 points, 51 percent to 41 percent. In a Gallup Poll released days before the election on Oct. 27, it was Carter who led Reagan 45 percent to 42 percent.

In 1992, Bill Clinton beat the first President Bush 43 percent to 37.7 percent. (Ross Perot got 18.9 percent of Bush's voters that year.) On Oct. 18, a Newsweek Poll had Clinton winning 46 percent to 31 percent, and a CBS News Poll showed Clinton winning 47 percent to 35 percent.

So in 1992, the polls had Clinton 12 to 15 points ahead, but he won by only 5.3 points.

Joe the Plumber will deliver the day. He is really Joe Six-Pack Abs the Plumber.

John said...

Note here that the median US income is $42,100.

This exposes McCain's idea that Joe the Plumber is just an average guy - you know, a plumber and all - despite earning $280,000 a year as the fraud that it is.

Even US Senators have a base wage of only $169k. And as for plumbers:

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Master_Plumber/Salary

pegs their earning at around $50k.

So Joe's no average Joe.

Chi said...

eric, put me in the column of the 20% that you think hates Palin.

mc9cain said...

@Todd Dugdale,
I'm not familiar with that particular scandal as living in Chicago I don't get back to the St. Cloud area too often but that's good news. Everybody is waking up in America before they are financially and mentally robbed blind by BushCo.

I read on that same St. Cloud paper website that the person she defeated in the primary registered as a write-in today to run against her because she's so upset about what she said. :) hee hee.
http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081018/NEWS01/110180040/1009

Eric said...

Separate VP ballot:

Biden 77%
Palin 23%

or

Palin 46%
Fey 38%
Hilton 16%


or over/under on next teen pregnancy in Palin clan:

12 months, go with the under

punditmoi said...

Just returned from early voting in Albuquerque. This was the first day for it at satellite locations, although you could drive downtown and vote at the clerk's office starting on the 7th.
Two years ago for the mid-term elections, I wandered into this location and found a couple of bored poll workers who helped me get a ballot and, along with the OTHER voter, I filled it out and hit the road in about 10 mintes total.
Today, the line was about 30 people deep and they had a dozen or more folks working hard to keep up. I asked if it had been this way all day and the guy helping me said, "Yeah, no breaks for anyone since 10am." This was about 3pm. The scanner I fed my ballot into was 1 of 4 and I was #139 on that machine.

Good news for democracy... and, I hope, for Obama.

jack-be-nimble said...

Run scared libs. Poor Odumbo will not have a chance to become Pelosi's house-negro.

Joe the Plumber will be chair of the SEC and Michelle Bachman will be heading Homeland. Un-americans like Barney Frank and Nate Silver should worry.

Big forehead said...

this is just a statistical autoerotic self-expression, nothing else.

Fischer said...

North Carolina Early Voting Observations.

My mother voted today in Wake County. She estimated that therewere 50 people in line, though she only had to wait 15 minutes or so to vote (which matches my experiance two days ago where there were 300 people in line but it only took 45 minutes for me to vote). She didn't give me an AA estimate on the crowd, but at 5PM she said the two ballot boxes had tallies of around 1000 each.

There are about a dozen early voting locations in Wake County. Take with a grain of salt. Wake is a democratic county and this particular early voting site is in a wealthy suburb.

John McCain is my Love Child! said...

Not remotely surprising, but great to see solid evidence for what would be a reasonable conjecture.

Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...

I think she should continue to spew her real America lines. I think that most Americans see through it and that it will make them more adament about voting for Obama. The people buying that line are not voting for Obama anyway. All it does is rile up her base---this time however, our base is bigger and if my canvassing in PA today is any indication more excited. We had over 100 volunteers from PA, NY and NJ in Doylestown.

Green said...

Love ya Nate but please refrain from such racially based analysis...interesting but just stokes the undecideds who are looking for reason to be pissed off enough to vote against their own economic interests.

Joe the Plumber - if he had one once of sense - would be chasing McCain down with a 10lb piece of pipe to beat his brains out. McCain offers him the same declining standard of living the middle class has had since Reagan, (look it up fuckers) more war for his 13 year old kid to lose his legs in and a constitution and privacy rights so tattered (you're having your uncle's baby if he rapes you!!) that Jefferson would grab a piece of that pipe and beat the living shit out of any Republican that got near him...

The case is simple - the conservatives have hoodwinked the middle class and when they finally catch on there will be hell to pay... they are trying again in one last effort to pull the wool before Nov 4. Don't give them any ammunition.

Paul

fred said...

Look at this endorsement list! Papers picking Obama over McCain in huge numbers!

http://www.electicker2008.com/endorsements.html

Jack-be-nimble said...

Its kind of funny that I have a little Jack that wants to post for me.

Oh well, to each his own.

Just remember little "j" for little jack and little minds.

jack-be-nimble said...

BREAKING...

ODUMBO endorsed by PRAVDA

newsfromOH said...

eric,

I agree that Palin, above all else, makes Mc unelectable. He already had the 20% that love her in his pocket eventually (who are probably most, if not all, of the people who still haven't figured out that W was a lousy pres). She's pretty much alienated the MSM so it's my hope that they keep on her once she returns to Alaska. Let's find out who really built her house. There is no doubt much more fraud around her yet to be discovered, since she and Mc have shut down any legitimate discovery.

I just hope she's watched like a hawk so that she can destroy herself and not return to the national stage.

Real Joe said...

real americans ?

who is the "real American" ???

(McCain: who is the real Obama ?)

mc9cain said...

jack be nimble (who apparently likes candlesticks):
To call you statistical noise is overstating the quality of the garbage you post here.

Jack-be-nimble said...

I have a sock puppet.

NC_voter said...

When it's hard to distinguish the garbage that your "sockpuppet" posts between the garbage you post, you know you're a troll


Please go back to freeptard.com

bamaObama said...

Remember, kids. No playing with the neocons. That includes jack.

sniperct said...

Obama doing fireside chats? That would be fantastic. The more we're informed, the better off we'll be.

Jack-be-nimble said...

Have all of you got one of Obama's little red books yet? It is a compiliation of Karl Marx, Saul Alinsky, William Ayers and Louis Farakkhan. The book has the Obama symbol on it. You will need to read it to you kids to keep them properly indoctrinated. I really don't think that is so bad.

The real problem is him using his Obama flag as replacing the American Flag. I think he will have trouble getting that through congress.

Joe the Plumber will not stand for it, neither will his amazing biceps.

San Fran Sam said...

i think you are all missing the point. Her rambling about "pro-America areas" at the end of her statement suggests to me that

She forgot where she was!!

And she couldn't remember to say North Carolina.

clarkejeffrey said...

The "real America" thing is something Republicans have gotten away with doing for far too long.

Never in my wildest dreams would I imply that somebody from a small town in Oklahoma is not a real American. Why should they get away with implying I'm anything less just because I live in Seattle?

Jon Stewart said it best:

Conservatives love America....They just hate half the people living here.

bamaObama said...

America. Change it or leave it.

Green said...

jack-be-in-a-car-crash-that-severs-your-useless-head

Awww, I kid ya jack!

Hey, did you ever serve your country?? In any way?
Tell us jack-off...

Vinny said...

Neo-cons, you have to promise to be here on November 5th, ok?

It should be a fun time. =)

Jack-be-nimble said...

Obama is trying to limit freedom of speech supporting the fairness doctrine and labor union card check.

If you keep trying to stop freedom of speech you will find a revolt in this country like you have never seen before.

Joe the plumber and that amazing bald head will lead the charge.

bamaObama said...

Come on now. If you want to play with jack, just email each other. Please don't do it here.

Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...

Hey vinnie, does that little symbol at the end of your post mean you are bringing the shrooms.

newsfromOH said...

I am most heartened by the Salt Lake Tribune's comments on Palin:

Then, out of nowhere, and without proper vetting, the impetuous McCain picked Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. She quickly proved grievously underequipped to step into the presidency should McCain, at 72 and with a history of health problems, die in office. More than any single factor, McCain's bad judgment in choosing the inarticulate, insular and ethically challenged Palin disqualifies him for the presidency.

mc9cain said...

NC_voter: lol.

Jack be numb nuts- now that you have a friend, the two of you go play with your candlesticks for rest of the evening. BYE.

clarkejeffrey said...

Let me also point out:

The "real America" line might have worked in the 30s when most Americans lived in small town or rural areas.

Today, the median voter lives in the suburbs. Most suburbs are good wholesome places but clearly not the kind of places Palin et al are alluding to when they talk about "real America"

Antmatic said...

Antmatic here...

With all the hand wringing about McCain "tightening" the polls, the only number I have concerns about is Obama +2 in Gallup's more restrictive "likely voter" model. Honestly, Obama +4 in Zogby, Gallup +2 with the correct LV model, +5 in Ras, +7 in IBD, +7 in Hotline, +7 in DKos are all fine with me. Nothing to be worried about until a poll shows McCain with a lead.

Gallup should improve tomorrow Zogby is a crapshoot. The rest are fine.

bamaObama said...

Nam vet... Now that would be quite a way to spend election night.

Eric said...

Palin is the sole reason that millions of right leaning moderates will not vote for McCain. This is not guesswork. Did you see the Kansas City undecideds on MSNBC at the last debate. Very mixed group ideology wise. Split evenly on who they would vote for. Half thought they might know someone that wouldn't vote for Obama because he's black. Of course that's balanced by many that will vote for him because he's black. In fact most of those haters wouldn't vote Dem anyway. When asked if they knew someone that would not vote McCain because of Pali, every single one shot their hand up without thinking about it. I have a few right-leaning friends and family throughout the country who think she's a joke and can't vote for McCain no matter what because of her. They also know people that are like-minded and told them as much. Part of the reaso this is being underreported is to call someone out for being underqualified and a dimwit isn't easy. It's much easier to call out horrible candidates of the past like David Duke, Clayton Williams for their extreme views or a Jesse Jacson or Pat Robertson for being too far to one side of the ideological spectrum. Palin is jsut a shitstorm, crappy as hell candidate that was plucked. When they called her on it last time, they got somewhat burned, so they're stayingaway. Theuy let Fey and couric do he dirty work. They let Palin dig her own hole and lie in it and they leave it alone. That's fine, but I'm going to report what I see in the polls, she's is about a million pounds of deadweight on McCain's shoulders and the Conservative Intelligensia (I know oxymoron) is pissed.

dkan71 said...

between bachmann, palin, pfotehoffenfrau or however you spell her name, Team McPalin is not even pretending to hide the us vs. them jingoism anymore...good thing there's more of our "us" than there are of them.

John said...

San Fran Sam said...

i think you are all missing the point. Her rambling about "pro-America areas" at the end of her statement suggests to me that

She forgot where she was!!

And she couldn't remember to say North Carolina.
-------
No, I think she just realized she's meant to say "pro-America" instead of "patriotic", because that has better dog-whistle overtones.

Vinny said...

If McCain didn't pick Palin, he'd likely be ahead in the polls right now.

I'm so happy he has such crappy judgment!

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

On the very day our economy went into crisis, where was BHO?

BHO was PARTYING WITH THE LIBERAL ELITE. Shouldn't he have been in Washington instead?

Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...

I think she should continue to spew her real America lines. I think that most Americans see through it and that it will make them more adament about voting for Obama. The people buying that line are not voting for Obama anyway. All it does is rile up her base---this time however, our base is bigger and if my canvassing in PA today is any indication more excited. We had over 100 volunteers from PA, NY and NJ in Doylestown.

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

Not just the Liberal Elite, but the HOLLYWOOD LIBERAL ELITE.

bamaObama said...

antmatic is exactly on point.

Vinny said...

I think there will be a phenomenon this election called the "Palin effect".

Voters will go fully intending to vote for McCain, but then see Palin's name next to his. They can't bring themselves to vote for Palin too, so they shy away to a 3rd party candidate or Obama.

waitwhat said...

Well, I agree with comparing the demographics of Palin's towns vs. those of Obama's, but I do NOT agree with comparing either to the population of the US overall. Many of McCain's "solid" states (GA,AL,MS,LA) make up HUGE portions of the nation's overall black community, and McCain obviously does not campaign there. Meanwhile most of Obama's very solid states (NY,New England,CA) make up huge proportions of the white population.

So it would be better to compare to the average demographics of the states in which serious campaign efforts are underway. If you do that, I think the average is somewhere between the typical city Obama visits and that which Palin visits.

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

Who is the REAL BHO? Why did he sit idle as the IRAN HOSTAGE CRISIS UNFOLDED? HE WAS WITH THE HAWAIIN ELITE!

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

Yes, who is the real BHO?

David said...

"McCain offers him the same declining standard of living the middle class has had since Reagan, (look it up fuckers) more war for his 13 year old kid to lose his legs in and a constitution and privacy rights so tattered (you're having your uncle's baby if he rapes you!!) that Jefferson would grab a piece of that pipe and beat the living shit out of any Republican that got near him...

The case is simple - the conservatives have hoodwinked the middle class and when they finally catch on there will be hell to pay... they are trying again in one last effort to pull the wool before Nov 4. Don't give them any ammunition."


++++

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

WHO IS THE REAL BHO? WHY DID HE NOT STOP WILLIAM AYERS AND THE WEATHER UNDERGROND!! HE SAT BY AND PLAYED WITH HIS HOT WHEELS!!! HOLYWOOD ELITE HOT WHEELS!!!!

bamaObama said...

We are witnessing history. The O campaign knows just what they are doing and where they should go next. Believe. And go out and work.

Vinny said...

Geez, the trolls are getting all riled up and angry. Imagine how they're going to be like on 11/5.

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

BHO will be the coming of LiberalFascism.

Look what happened to poor Joe the Plumber! And he just asked BHO a simple question.

bamaObama said...

vinny, vinny. You know they can't help it. Don't play with your food.

clarkejeffrey said...

Honest question:

Why is McCain making such a big deal out of raising taxes on people making more than $250k a year?

Polls show that Americans support it 59-31. Independents are at 55-35. Republicans oppose it, but they aren't swing voters.


It feels like McCain is still campaigning in the Republican primary.

Does anybody know why?

Aren't you supposed to pick an issue that polls show the vast majority of Americans agree with you on and make a big deal of that?

Why is his centerpiece attack something that Independents hate?

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

The elction of BHO will mean the coming back of the FairnessDoctrine, the censoring of political blogs, the public smearing of ConservativeLeaders in a fashion like that of Mao, among other LiberalFascist abuses.

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

Not to mention he will violate the FirstAmendment and push people like Rush off the air with his JackbootedThugs from ACORN.

bamaObama said...

Vinny. One of the great pleasures of my or your or any of our lifetimes will be on the evening of the 4th. Can't wait.

mc9cain said...

Someone said shrooms? btw, I just saw an episode of that on Entourage that was hysterical.

Vinny said...

Getting Rush off the air would be a blessing.

Mac has ran a damn horrible campaign. This should've been an easy win. An old white war pow against a liberal named barack hussein obama and he's LOSING? Pathetic.

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

Why does BHO hate PLUMBERS??

He trumped up these stories about JOE not paying his taxes!! He stole his LISENCE!!

AND BHO CANNOT PROPERLY USE FLUX!!

Vinny said...

It will be fun indeed, bama.

bamaObama said...

clarkejeffrey... the mcbush camp has no platform, no ideas, nothing. That's why.

MATT J. H. said...

Lets see, Obama is ...

Muslim
Radical
Not black enough
Too black
Too inexperienced
Too young
Too Urban
Too far left
A lefty
A left wing radical
Socialist
Communist
Marxist
Liberal
Left wing Liberal
Radical Liberal
European
Un-American
Anti-Israel
Anti-American
Anti-Freedom
Dangerous
Terrorist
Arab

Quite the list. We're bound to see a few more between now and November four.

Vinny said...

Lets see, Obama is ...

Muslim
Radical
Not black enough
Too black
Too inexperienced
Too young
Too Urban
Too far left
A lefty
A left wing radical
Socialist
Communist
Marxist
Liberal
Left wing Liberal
Radical Liberal
European
Un-American
Anti-Israel
Anti-American
Anti-Freedom
Dangerous
Terrorist
Arab


And he's STILL winning!!

bamaObama said...

matt j h... my lord. He must be one of us, an American.

newsfromOH said...

I receive Mc's emails. I've gotten several today imploring me to make calls from his site. I am really trying to restrain myself from doing it . . . "Hi, I got your name from the McCain website. I'd like to know how you could vote to perpetuate Bush's failed policies and run the risk of having Palin in office?" I've rationalized this as doing my own version of robocalls . . .

Ian said...

If you want B. O. to win, than volunteer! We can only win if we have a massive volunteering movement. If the polls swing again, it will be too late to do anything. We need to prevent that NOW.

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

WHY DOES BHO HATE OXYCODONE ADDICTS?? Can't a man go to to the Domincan Republican with his Viagara and enjoy young me in PEACE??

WHO IS BHO??

bamaObama said...

The one thing BHO is not is an un-American neocon jutjob like mcbush.

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

The RoboCalls will turn this race around, libs.

I'd suggest the person immitating me find himself an attorney and prepare for a LibelSuit.

Bob Griendling said...

Everyone needs to find out if they're living in a pro-America or anti-America part of the country.

bamaObama said...

OMG. Now the neocons are experts in the law, not!

Soccer Mum said...

It is about time Americans stopped being afraid of "socialism".

If socialism means that you can get medical treatment without bankrupting yourself then there should be more of it.

In Australia ordinary taxpayers (not low income) pay a 1.5% levy on their taxable incomes to fund Medicare which is a universal health care system and can also have insurance cover on top of that if they want to go private for their treatment (saves time with elective surgery).

If you have a high income and do not have hospital insurance you pay a medicare levy surcharge.

Not perfect by any means but better than the alternative. That's probably why the expat American on an earlier thread I read wants to leave France and go back to Australia.

Right Wing Conspiricist said...

THE ROBOCALLS WILL WIN THE DAY

I SHOULD KNOW I WROTE ALL OF THEM.

MY LAWYER IS ALBERTO GONZALEZ

bamaObama said...

soccer mum... excellent point. This is what we have needed here for decades. Hope the new congress had the nerve to do it.

lucyp said...

If Obama will promise to boot Rush Limbaugh off the air, I'll vote for him twice!

LAT said...

newsfromoh--LOL on the phonebanking for McCain. now you are inspiring me to that too! I have a friend who is awful with people so he thought he would go canvass for McCain, guessing he would convince people to vote for the other guy given his cranky disposition.

MATT J. H. said...

I'm still amazed Obama is winning this election. Americans have not proved themselves to be an intelligent bunch.

The R's had complete control of government for 8 years and have practicably destroyed the country-

Our military is in ruins.
The deficit has doubled.
The investment bank industry disappeared
The constitution has been shredded.
The justice department has been politicized
Education is worse
Health care is worse
The economy's been destroyed
The stock market is where it was when W took office

I mean, what could they have possibly done worse?

bamaObama said...

lucyp... all things are possible through prayer.

SCIndie said...

In other news:

TBS currently not airing the Red Sox-Rays game due to reports of a power outage in Atlanta (where TBS is located).

If you want to see anger, you should wander over to a Red Sox or Rays forum.

Carry on

Soccer Mum said...

We also have compulsory voting bamaobama.

Works well to keep the vote suppression out of bounds. If you want to disenfranchise someone you have to do it legislatively and strike out a whole class of people.

bamaObama said...

matt j h... please don't ask. Mcbush still has 3 mos. in office.

eponymous said...

matt,

Reminds me of a commentary I read one time. To the effect of "It took Americans six and a half years to figure out Bush is a bad president? I almost feel like supporting him now just to contradict these idiots!"

sniperct said...

Matt, you forgot radical black power christian.

sfergus483 said...

Not having any problem with the getting the game on TBS here in LA...

newsfromOH said...

lat,

I can also sign up to canvass for Mc. I'm also trying to resist the temptation to sign up some of my most vocal Mc haters just to have the Mc folks contact them . . .

bamaObama said...

What a wonderful idea. $ioo fine for not voting.

DCM in FL said...

TB 1 BOS zero end of 1st

go rays....

PA John said...

Rays up 1-0

DCM in FL said...

they are apologizing for the 'interuption of the broadcast on TBS

SCIndie said...

@ sfergus

Apparently, from the time I posted until the time you posted, the feed got fixed, the (at least here, and other places from what i read) they missed the entire first inning.

DCM in FL said...

oops. Bosox homer, all tied up @ 1

LAT said...

news--the temptation is contagious. you are a bad bad influence ;-)

sfergus483 said...

OK, I switched right when you posted - they must be reading 538 and went to work restoring power!

DCM in FL said...

SFERGUS

that would be due to the power of NATE

PA John said...

Obama wins the day

From Politico:

John McCain continues taking hard shots, suggesting today that Barack Obama is a "socialist," but he's not landing any of them cleanly. It's not clear why voters who aren't already tuned in to the right-wing echo chamber are going to buy into this argument any more than they have into the implications of Obama's sundry shady Chicago associations. After the Illinois Senator's convention speech and three general election debates, not to mention a record run of advertising, it's a heavy lift to depict the Illinois Senator as a closet radical.

-----------

McCain's proven before he's a dangerous man to count out, but his own team isn't doing him any favors these days. Adviser Nancy Pfotenhauer on MSNBC dismissed Northern Virginia as not "real Virginia," even as the candidate himself was in the state's D.C. suburbs before a crowd of a few thousand—about a third what Sarah Palin drew for a weekday rally in Richmond this week—including one group that preferred screaming insults at the assembled media to listening to their candidate speak.

jon said...

To be fair, the Kenova stop was at a regional airport with no rally or remarks on her way to Ohio across the river. The nearby city, Huntington, WV (the largest in WV) is about 7.5 % black.

You wouldn't use the make-up of Chantilly, Va (Dulles Airport) for a visit to DC.

Dr George Clinton Funkenstein said...

I was at the rally in St. Louis with 100,000 of my new closest friends.

It was INSANE being up front and watching the crowd grow and grow and grow all day.

17 days till a blue missouri!

Jim Johnson said...

I've not read the entire thread, so someone might've suggested this already. If so, sorry. But the comparison is a bit skewed. I'd bet of you compared Biden stops with Palin, the resemblance would be closer - not identical, but closer. Likewise, McCain's stops are likely closer to BO's.

Just a thought. And, of course, I do not deny that Palin is playing up race at every turn.

JJ

JJ

Jack-be-nimble said...

To the 538 community: Little j jack, realized he was a little sock puppet. He not has changed His little j to my moniker.

I won't be responsible for his postings. If it continues, I will change my name and you will discover me with a different name.

rita said...

MATT--

You forgot that he wants to teach kindergardeners about sex.

DCM in FL said...

JACK

or perhaps Sean & Brett will cleanse the site again tonight...

bye, bye Pete the Parrot + his sock puppetry

Jack-be-nimble said...

I am being sock puppeted again.

And Joe the plumber has a spectacular ass.

rita said...

Matt--

And he's a celebrity like Brittany & Paris...

LaPopessa said...

I'd make a comment about Palin, but she wouldn't be listening. I'm pretty certain I am not a real American. After all I was born in Oregon, not Alaska (so I'm technically from the "east"), I treasure my education and have hope for America, which probably puts me in the "pals around with terrorists" category, and finally, I can not see Russia from my front porch.

dpldust said...

Jack -

Just a quick note. I've contacted Nate this evening and asked him to remove you and your posts. Your post about BO and Pelosi crossed too many lines.

Such language is not protected, but was meant as and is an assault upon those whom it was directed at. Your purpose was not to communicate an idea but to harm others.

Personally - I do empathasize with those who have fallen into darkness. There were times when I myself was consumed by rage and fear. It is a battle each day to keep those impulses at bay.

I wish you luck with your demons and hope that it does not consume you or those that love you.

Nonetheless, your comments can not be tolerated by a civilized people and have no place in the public discourse.

mc9cain said...

I received this as an email the other day:
WHAT IF?

Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin, what if things were switched around?...think
about it.

Would the country's collective point of view be different?

Ponder the following:

What if the Obamas had paraded five children across
the stage, including a three month old infant and an unwed, pregnant
teenage daughter?

What if John McCain was a former president of the
Harvard Law Review?
What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of
his graduating class?

What if McCain had only married once and Obama was a
divorcee?

What if Obama was the candidate who left his first
wife after a severe disfiguring car accident, when she no longer measured
up to his standards?

What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair
while he was still married?

What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became addicted to
pain killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable
organization?

What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?

What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five?
(The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of
corruption
in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger
Savings
and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.)

What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?
What if Obama couldn't read from a teleprompter?

What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included
discipline problems and a record of crashing seven planes?

What if Obama was the one who was known to display publicly, on many
occasions, a serious anger management problem?

What if Michelle Obama's family had made their money from beer
distribution?

What if the Obamas had adopted a white child?

You could easily add to this list. If these questions reflected
reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as
they are?

This is what racism does.

It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one
candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a
color difference.

Educational Background:

Barack Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a
Specialization in International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

Joseph Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in
Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

vs.

John McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899

Sarah Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism

DCM in FL said...

so, as of today Mac has Obama right where they want him...

the GOPer strategy is to win a 'close' election

but they have only one realistic route to 270 EV

hold all of the 21 base RED states including WV & ND & MT

then & eke out a very narrow victory in all 8 of the tossup or light blue-leaning states:

FL + OH + NC + VA + IN + MO + CO + NV = 274 EV

===========================================
meanwhile, state polling shows that the DEMs appear to have 264 EVs locked down...

Obama has at least 8 different routes to victory:

win ANY ONE of the same 8 tossup states in the same list of 111 available EVs:

FL or OH or NC or VA or IN or MO or CO or NV = 269+ EV

Sweep all 8, then BHO = 375 EVs

pass the gravy

ENJOY !!!

PA John said...

"To the 538 community: Little j jack, realized he was a little sock puppet. He not has changed His little j to my moniker."

How does a sock puppet realize they're a sock puppet? Wouldnt they know???? LOL

markedman said...

I wonder how much this "pro american" / "real virginia"

comment is going to play out and hurt McCain and Palin

push.cx said...

"Yesterday, at a fundraiser in Greensboro, North Carolina,"

This city is missing from your chart.

bamaObama said...

mc9cain. Beautifully stated.

DCM in FL said...

YES he would

no he wouldn't

I said YES HE WOULD

damm it, no he would not realize he was a sock puppet...
-----------------------------------------

begs the question,

does Bush Jr realize he has been a sock puppet manipulated by the hidden hand of Dick Cheney for the last 8 years - starting with when Dick vouched for himself as the best GOPer VP candidate in 2000 ?

seriously doubt it - it was god's will after all...
after all,

arjuna74 said...

I wonder how much this "pro american" / "real virginia"

comment is going to play out and hurt McCain and Palin


Too bad it happened on a weekend... Palin's SNL appearance will probably dwarf it. Here's hoping Colin Powell neutralizes her tomorrow morning...

PorridgeGun said...

jack_be_douchebag...


I'm glad you made that comment about Michelle Bachman. It gives an insight into just how utterly loopy you Republican scum really are. Along with PeteKent, you're not a typical wingnut conservatroll, you actually believe this shit, like the fundies who are destroying the GOP. Keep it up!

dpldust said...

GREAT POST JON.

Hey - Did anyone study history - Do you remember reading about the spread of communism and socialists when they instituted the following programs:

SS Disability - SOCIALISM - Any one like to give it up?

Worker's Compensation - SOCIALISM - Safety net - who needs a safety net?
UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE - SOCIALISM - And SOOOO unnecessary? (PS - Historic Reaganspeech - teling the RNC how the advent of such a pogram will cripple the economy destroy mllions of samll buinsnesses and allow communism to spread its tentacles across America).
Not to mention Medicare and Medicade. Well I guess we don't need health insurance. I'm sure congress would be happy to give theirs up. And anyway its not like Jesus said to care for one another.

Republicans - not their brother's keeper.

bamaObama said...

porridgegun... you're arguing with a 16 year old with a twisted sense of humor. Please refrain.

Subterranean said...

mc9cain - Yeah, that irks me to no end.

Palin's impressive physicality gets her a free pass on EVERYTHING. I swear to god, nobody but a charismatic ex-beauty queen could live down the "academic" career on her transcript.

Angry Sam said...

Yeah, small town America is so much more pro-American than those big cities where all those city slicker elitists run around providing the economic engine for the country and making all the important decisions.

bamaObama said...

Repulicon=screw you, I got mine.

erstwhiler said...

Excellent analysis nate, though I am not surprised.

Republican party rallies are designed for television. They want to show a packed room with screaming people. The idea is that lonely and disenfranchised people will be attracted to the energy. It works.

They often need to go to backwaters to find a high enough concentration of nut jobs to fill a room. Johnstown PA is reliable. Bush went there when he was down against Kerry.

I hate to say it, but it feels like McCain has momentum. The republican plan (as I see it) is to start in backwaters and then move closer to mainstream as the ball gets rolling. Palin is effective, I would not under-estimate her.

McCain is in a similar situation to where Gore was in 2000. Time is the devil. If the election was a week later, Gore would likely have won. I am thinking McCain will run out of time also.

But still, Obama won't fight back! Enough to drive ya crazy. The NY Times is willing though - apparently. They ran a peice on Cindy McCain. No spin required. It has the potential to hurt the republican ticket. Not because the fact that John McCain abondoned his family to marry a girl 20 years his junior will bother Jack, RWC or anyone in "the base." But - again my speculation - it might make McCain go bezerk.

PA John said...

Predicition:

PeteKent will call Palin's SNL appearance "pitch perfect", and proclaim how "America has fallen in love again", and that it marks "a fundemental shift" in the elction?

anyone disagree he will say that? LOL

Akoolromeo said...

quantman said...
Great Work and facts Nate!

This CONFIRMS what most people are beginning to fully understand.

This is now between WHITES and non-whites!

******
No matter what happens in the election, we can find solace in the fact that the death knell of the Republican party is sounding. Within the next 10 years, they may even cease to exist as a National Party, and the funny thing is they will die from a self inflicted mortal wound.
Recently, I heard a report about the surge is Hispanic voters, and the spokeperson said that was because many Hispanics have listened to all the hateful rhetoric from the Republicans and their supports about illegal aliens, and they fear and realize that it's such a fineline between hating illegals and hating all people of colors. They are concerned that once they are through hating the illegals, they will turn their hate towards the legal immigrants in this country.
Now it's time for a little lesson in math. In the next few decades, White will be the minority, as more and more immigrants move her. Do the math. Republicans are scaring away all minorities from their party, and soon their main constituents will be the minority. And White don't have to be the minority for the Republican party to die off. It may even be starting now, because there is certainly enough White Democrats to over come what Whites that ARE voting Republican. I bet the Republicans never stopped to realize what they were doing to themselves practicing all that hate speech. You got to love it. The Republican Party. It was a Grand Ole Party. Some day we may even miss it. This may be their last hurrah. Enjoy it folks.

DCM in FL said...

DPL

progressive tax & corporate taxes - SOCIALISM at it's worst !!!

UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE - SOCIALISM !!!

public schools & desegregation - SOCIALISM !!!

food stamps & AFDC - SOCIALISM !!!

UN & foreign aid - SOCIALISM & a new world order !!!

civil rights & civil unions - SOCIALISM !!!

list is endless - the bogeyman of the right-wing haters IMHO

Eric said...

long time reader, first time poster.

you're blowing my mind here nate.

bamaObama said...

The entire Republicon party is built on do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do rubbish. And no one in the MSM has the gonads to call them on it.

PorridgeGun said...

Speaking of fundies, here's the FReeptard consensus on avoiding reality from here until election day:


I believe McPalin will win handily. Here are the reasons I have collected visiting FR way too much.

1) “Polls” that show Obama ahead tell a different story when internals are studied.

2) Hillary and Bill are not acting like they want Obama to win, since she wants to run again in 2012, despite what she alludes to.

3) “Hussein” being Obama’s middle name is still news to most people.

4) A picture of Obama dressed as a Muslim (there are at least three) is still worth 1000 words (3000 in this case). Man your email station! Post bills!

5) The PUMAs who know the hows and whys of Hillary getting cheated, will vote Palin, and will pull others.

6) “Bitter ... [Gun Clingers]”, will vote McCain

7) The Palins ARE America and the conservative base. America and the conservative base will vote accordingly. Parts of the country that were not fired up about the election, are working for Palin. She draws THOUSANDS at every campaign stop.

8) The NRA has “8 figures” of ads to unload in “swing” states

9) At one point, Obama was only 5 points up in New York! New York!

10) The Democrats were talking about Democratic consultants freaking out over Obama mis-managing his campaign before they settled into poll alteration.

11) The Enemedia is already spreading the meme that if Obama loses, it “is racism”. They see the tea leaves ...

12) The Media was calling the election for Kerry ELECTION MORNING in 2004, and Carter and Reagan polled evenly on election day! SOMEONE is trying to buffalo us with these polls! For more on the history of polls leaning Democrat.

13) McCain has only started to play the Ayers card. McCain has not yet played the Tony Rezko, Odinga.

14) Plenty of long-time Democratic voters are unimpressed with Obama, and will not vote for him. Two midwestern transplants have volunteered to me that they know lifelong Democrats who WILL NOT vote for Obama. The 1st hand accounts here on Free Republic about lack of enthusiasm for Obama relative to Kerry similarly bodes poorly for Obama.

15) Obama has only 60% of the Jewish vote last I checked, compared to the 75% Kerry got.

16) The Christian base that re-elected Bush in 2004, knows Sarah is more than a Sunday Christian, and is praying for her.

17) McCain opened 50 offices in California. It’s in play! It should be the bluest of the blue, and it is not.

18) Google “Bradley Effect”. Obama is getting poll votes he’ll never get on election day. PUMAs have also agreed to lie to pollsters about supporting Obama, and are encouraging others to do so.

19) Operation Chaos resulted in an overlarge quantity of Democrat registrations that will never ever vote Democratic.

20) Obama’s “spread the wealth” line to Joe the Plumber will cost him undecideds not ready to etch the current class structure in stone.

21) The Enemedia overstating Obama’s popularity will cut two ways. The lazy, and the youth, (core Democrat constituencies) will not brave traffic and lines to vote on election day, since they were lied to by the KGBMedia to believe that Obama has a gigantic lead.

22) There is a group playing Jeremiah Wrights ads.

23) Polls are meant by the Enemedia, to SHAPE public opinion, not to accurately report it.

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WOW!!!

Subterranean said...

erstwhiler -

Obama has NEVER used his national narrative to push a negative attack. I doubt he will start now.

Definitely not political orthodoxy, but if positive branding has worked this long for him...let's hope karma rewards him for another 2.5 weeks.

fred said...

Wow is right, talk about creating your own reality.

LAT said...

newsfromohio--any thoughts on this voter suppression tactic in Ohio?

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081018/NEWS01/310180031/1055/NEWS

Michael said...

Just want to throw this out there before MTP tomorrow.

Colin Powell
Contribution: Updated
Q3/2007
John McCain
$2,300

Colin Powell DID Contribute to the McCain Campaign last year. Does that mean he'll endorse him, NO. But it does lead me to believe he won't publicly endorse anyone tomorrow.

ialex said...

porridgegun said...
Speaking of fundies, here's the FReeptard consensus on avoiding reality from here until election day:


surely you took that cunt down?

PA John said...

"Colin Powell DID Contribute to the McCain Campaign last year. Does that mean he'll endorse him, NO. But it does lead me to believe he won't publicly endorse anyone tomorrow."

That was over a year ago... it's hardly relavent.

bamaObama said...

Michael, I think I agree with your assessment. Don't be too surprised if there is no endoresement tomorrow.

PorridgeGun said...

Obama Rally in Missouri: 100,000 Fake Americans

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/10/not-in-mccains-real-america.html



The Daily Show - 10,000 McCainiacs

http://crooksandliars.com/silentpatriot/daily-show-mccains-losing-control-mo


McCain thugs attack another reporter

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/10/mccains-hooligans.html

Vinny said...

I remember about a week ago (when Obama was at his peak with the state polling) someone from the freeptard website said:

"OBAMA IS DESPERATE! A GUY IN THE LEAD WOULDN'T BE FISHING FOR AN ELECTORAL VOTE IN NEBRASKA! THIS IS NOT OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!"

DCM in FL said...

Powell 'no endorsement' is a bitter open handed slap to McCain & Failin IMHO

more ties to McBush too

bamaObama said...

It's OK to be hopeful, but not overconfident. If Powell does endorse tomorrow, it's because BHO has been hoding this for just the right time. Keep fingers crossed.

Michael said...

Listen I try to be as fair here, though I am voting McCain. I think we would've heard by now if there would be an endorsement tomorrow. Brokaw will try to get it out of him, but I honestly believe he'll talk very kindly of both candidates and leave us all hanging.

In one regard, that helps Obama to have a man of his prominence talk so highly of him.

In another regard, it does make the MSM and liberal blogosphere look bad for saying he'd endorse Obama.

chrish60 said...

fred said...
Wow is right, talk about creating your own reality.


And they even sense it. Most amusing/sad comment I've read there in the past few weeks was a guy trying to figure out why there was still no Palin bounce after her "triumph" at the VP debate -- "Did these people watch the same debate I did? It's like I'm living in some sort of parallel universe."

You should have seen all the Google Earth and Yahoo map shots that were being posted to prove the pictures of the 100,000 St Louis were fakes. Some guy even zoomed in on the crowds and concluded that two of the faces were actually identical!

PA John said...

"OBAMA IS DESPERATE! A GUY IN THE LEAD WOULDN'T BE FISHING FOR AN ELECTORAL VOTE IN NEBRASKA! THIS IS NOT OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!"

And a GOP nominee would not be campaigning in VIRGINIA and NC with 2 weeks left if they weren't SCREWED!!

Subterranean said...

Powell has blood all over his hands, it's ridiculous that he's still given any credibility.

I can't imagine his support would shift any votes to Obama, but perhaps it would mean a bad news cycle for McCain, so let's hope the former Sec. of State resurrects a ghost of his supposed good judgment and endorses BHO.