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10.21.2008

POLL SHOCK: 51 OBAMA, 49 MCCAIN WITH LIKELY TODDLERS

by Nate Silver @ 7:45 AM

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From a screenshot late last night:

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Howard said...: Take that, Scholastic Kids!; October 21, 2008 7:46 AM
Erikson said...: Unbelievable...is THIS all McCain and the Right-wing media have to cling to?

http://democratictribune.com; October 21, 2008 7:48 AM
Toz said...: Matt is beginning to go off the deep end...this election cycle is going to wound him deeply.; October 21, 2008 7:49 AM
Wesley said...: I guess this race IS pretty close!; October 21, 2008 7:50 AM
Sedi said...: Actually, that seems a bit more newsworthy and credible than many of the things that Drudge posts. And here we all thought that Obama had the youth vote all sewn up!; October 21, 2008 7:52 AM
brooklynkevin said...: LMAO!!!!! Now THIS is just what I need first thing in the morning! Thanks, Nate, for all you do.

Of course, these early polls don't hurt my morning attitude, either:

Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby, Obama +8
PA, Morning Call, Obama +10
NJ, Quinnipiac Obama +23
IL, Chicago Tribune, Obama +24

And away we go!; October 21, 2008 7:54 AM
hi ho said...: Hmmm. Useful information for advertisers, I guess. What do you think it means -- maybe that more Repubs have cable TV?; October 21, 2008 7:55 AM
DC Sox Fan said...: this is great news for john mccain...(I don't even have the energy for caps and exclamation points...); October 21, 2008 7:55 AM
Jesse Radin said...: This poll was drudgebotted or freeped.

Was the nick poll taken online?; October 21, 2008 7:56 AM
crash32583 said...: What remains to be seen is whether Republican and Democratic toddler voter turnout will be equally impacted by the "Naptime Effect".; October 21, 2008 7:56 AM
Wesley said...: The republicans may not get as big of a gain out of this as they had previously hoped. Apparently, before this poll was taken they were working to keep people under 18 from voting.; October 21, 2008 7:59 AM
newsfromOH said...: I just saw the moveon moose ad on TV here in Ohio. That should scare the toddlers away from Sarah.; October 21, 2008 8:00 AM
Jesse Radin said...: I think part of this could be because of the extremely liberal parents who inaccurately think TV/sugar are evil and don't let their kids watch it/choose not to own a TV.

In California there are a lot of those who think that if you give your child sugar at all you are a horrible parent.; October 21, 2008 8:00 AM
the undomiciled sophisticate said...: this is what happens when paranoid parents lurk over their kids' shoulders when their surfing the interwebs. it must be stopped.; October 21, 2008 8:01 AM
ozzie said...: New McCain electoral strategy:

1. Win 2004 Bush states -IA -NM -VA -CO to get to 252 EV.

2. Reverse 10 point polling deficit to win PA and 273 EV.

3. Everyone gets a free pony.

Note: Free pony may have to be distributed in PA prior to election .; October 21, 2008 8:01 AM
Green-Guard said...: WOW! Even kids realize that Obama will make a better president than MCCain... (drudge must be running out of ideas!)

P.S Am I the only one to find drudge absolutely appaling not only content-wise but also format wise? I mean, that place is like a huge pile of dung one on the top of the other... At least rcp and Free republic are neatly arranged.; October 21, 2008 8:02 AM
Sam said...: I went to the site. Quite amazing heh, to think that is newsworthy.

But heck, its tame compared to some other rubbish on these blogs out there.

Anyway, I visited the nickolodean site, and it was basic "how we elect presidents" stuff, not the strict polling we've come to be used to.

Nonetheless, it did make my day.

I must add, I think that the chance of John McCain winning now (approx 6%) is roughly the same as an unexpected "gamechanger".

That's quite ironic.; October 21, 2008 8:02 AM
Terry said...: Unfortunately it could be reflective of the attitudes at home. I am constantly worried about this being much closer than the polls suggest.; October 21, 2008 8:03 AM
Mike said...: If McCain could only postpone the election until those kids grow up, he might...well, he might not lose by as much as he would on Nov 4.; October 21, 2008 8:03 AM
Sam said...: Here is a question for you all.

HOW CAN MCCAIN POSSIBLY WIN, AND WHAT MUST HAPPEN TO DO SO?

e.g. Terroist attack perhaps...

Your answer; October 21, 2008 8:03 AM
assmole said...: I think both candidates can take something away from this result.; October 21, 2008 8:04 AM
Lei'nad Rendies said...: I'm particularly upset they didn't include such venerable third party candidates as Kermit (whose flush with green in the form of big dollar donations), Humpty Dumpty (whose taken a big fall in the polls recently), or Mother Goose (whose laid a big, fat 0 in the last projection).

Nate, please consider factoring in what you believe these legitimate contenders might have done to a real poll.; October 21, 2008 8:04 AM
Rob Hayward said...: You know what Matt Drudge would be most hurt by? The 'msm' tag at the end of the post. Love it.; October 21, 2008 8:05 AM
Aussie said...: I think you guys have all missed the point.
NICKELODEON is a serious channel for most Republicans.

And OBAMA IS IN FRONT!!!

Ha Ha Ha HA HA HA HA HA !! HA; October 21, 2008 8:05 AM
Sam said...: Another thing, you know with the bellwether states. E.g. Missouri.

Does 538 place a special category for them. Because Missouri is several points behind Obama's average, and he can easily win (in a closer fashion) without it.

Aren't these states meant to be more in line with polling to be, as John King points out, a "show me" state?; October 21, 2008 8:06 AM
DCDemocrat said...: Poor Grudge.; October 21, 2008 8:07 AM
Wesley said...: Is there any doubt that this surge in the polls is a result of The Jonas Brother's recent endorsement of McCain?; October 21, 2008 8:08 AM
assmole said...: Poor Brudge.; October 21, 2008 8:09 AM
UnfriendlyGhost said...: "If McCain could only postpone the election until those kids grow up, he might...well, he might not lose by as much as he would on Nov 4."

He'll probably have passed on long before then!; October 21, 2008 8:10 AM
Darío said...: McCain giving up on Colorado.; October 21, 2008 8:10 AM
Lei'nad Rendies said...: Well, it looks like Matt reads 538 and decided to add context to his Nickelodeon news:

Kerry won with 57% in 2004

I blame it on the apple juice sipping liberal toddlers not actually crawling to their designated poll locations.; October 21, 2008 8:12 AM
Susquehanna Studio said...: It seems that the news media needs to create the illusion that there is actually a close race in order to have sides to take and something to write and talk about. The terrorists I fear are the ones running for office; October 21, 2008 8:12 AM
Real Joe said...: Sen. Clinton to campaign for Obama in Omaha, NE

Link; October 21, 2008 8:14 AM
assmole said...: Drudge's website looks cheaper than this one -why is that?; October 21, 2008 8:14 AM
Real Joe said...: WTF ?

nickelodeon ?; October 21, 2008 8:14 AM
Real Joe said...: assmole said...
Drudge's website looks cheaper than this one -why is that?

Matt is old school; October 21, 2008 8:14 AM
Jesse Radin said...: McCain can win with a few things:

1. Stock market rebounds a lot, unemployment goes down.

2. Terrorist attack on US soil and Obama looks unprepared.

3. Biden says something racist again.

Though 3 would probably not be enough considering Palin's rallies.

Obama can win even further (400+)

1. Stock market crash

2. McCain/Palin bring out the GAY MARRIGE BAN AMENDMENT, which around 55-60% of americans oppose. Americans are now split on Gay marriage, and two thirds support civil unions. If they play the gay marriage moral value card, they will lose Indiana, North Dakota, and Montana. Especially if someone talks about McCain cheating on his wife.

3. More "anti-america" "pro america" crap.

4. Underestimate the youth vote, meaning Obama wins states like Indiana, WV, MT, ND, even GA, and gets within 5 in Texas and AZ.; October 21, 2008 8:16 AM
Mark said...: Does this mean McCain is going to be "Slimmed" now?; October 21, 2008 8:16 AM
Real Joe said...: Murtha Calls Some In Pa. 'Rednecks'; October 21, 2008 8:16 AM
FreeThinker said...: Did he use RV's or LV's? What's the party breakout?; October 21, 2008 8:16 AM
uberfrosh said...: How many EVs does the US give to a pineapple under the sea?

The sad thing is RCP would include this before they include R2K.; October 21, 2008 8:17 AM
davey_darling said...: I voted in that poll, and I'm Canadian.

I'd bet that 75% of the votes came from partisan site reading adults.

As we have read in the road reports, the mccain supporters aren't working at the offices, so they are likely at home voting in the nickelodeon polls.; October 21, 2008 8:17 AM
Real Joe said...: Obama to visit Indianapolis Thursday; October 21, 2008 8:18 AM
Theodore said...: Nate: Get back to work you slacker! ;0); October 21, 2008 8:18 AM
Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...: Can someone please stuff a sock in Murtha's mouth. It is like they just need to say something so they can continue to look relevant.Silly old man.; October 21, 2008 8:20 AM
Jesse Radin said...: http://news.aol.com/political-machine/straw-poll

Great news for McCain.

He wins 56-42, and gets almost every state.

AOL Straw Poll. People who use AOL tend to be old (or clueless) and don't realize they can pay half the price for the same stuff.; October 21, 2008 8:20 AM
Real Joe said...: jesse radin said...

AOL Straw Poll. People who use AOL tend to be old (or clueless) and don't realize they can pay half the price for the same stuff.

HAHAHAHAH; October 21, 2008 8:22 AM
JMNorris said...: As much as I don't like the Sludge Report, surely he was just trying to be funny here. And it worked. We all are getting a laugh out of it.

BTW, the Los Angeles Times last Friday had a four column above the fold front page picture of Joe the Plumber (Non-Joe the non-plumber?) with a headline screaming "Move over, Britney". It made my day.; October 21, 2008 8:22 AM
cora said...: Here is where McCain will concentrate his finances in one of the most agressive hate campaign moments ever: GET THE KID VOTE

Star Doll
Club Penguin
Nick
LEGO
Cartonn Network
Disney International
Mini Clip

30 min ad time to be bought for the
final smear: DORA THE EXPLORER MEETS JOE THE PLUMBER. In this episode Dora is molested by a gang of socialist kids....untill Joe....

oh!... such a maverick; October 21, 2008 8:23 AM
Tyson said...: Obama needs a surprise endorsement from Dora the explorer to shore up the valuable 4-7 year old demographic; October 21, 2008 8:26 AM
Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...: Why should he be concerned about the 4-7 year olds. Election after election they have been shown to be unreliable. They always talk a good game---but never show at the polls.; October 21, 2008 8:28 AM
Zeno said...: Oh, oh! I blame the "Joe the Plumber" effect, since it makes it sound as if McCain has been endorsed by a cartoon character. I sure hope that Obama has "Bob the Builder" waiting in the wings!

Yes, we can!; October 21, 2008 8:30 AM
x0lani said...: ROFLMAO!

Drudge is desperately looking for good news!; October 21, 2008 8:32 AM
Tyson said...: ****BREAKING DRUDGE NEWS****

Bob the Builder confronts Obama on tax increase for business he's thinking about buying; October 21, 2008 8:32 AM
Genevieve said...: It's very disappointing Drudge didn't break out the siren for that. :(; October 21, 2008 8:33 AM
Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...: I love Erin Burnett.; October 21, 2008 8:33 AM
Robert said...: Maybe Obama needs to invoke Bob the Builder more in his speeches as it seems like Joe the Plumber works well with the under 10 crowd; October 21, 2008 8:33 AM
Robert said...: Zeno: you beat me to it!; October 21, 2008 8:33 AM
Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...: Somethings just need to be said.; October 21, 2008 8:33 AM
IL_Grimacѐ said...: All I know is that if Obama wins I hope to God that the Secret Service works double time. Not only have there been death threats at Palin rallies, but now:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081021/ap_on_el_pr/obama_dead_bear

I'd like to believe that this was just a stupid prank by some idiot kids. But there is the frightening possibility that this was indeed intended as an effigy.; October 21, 2008 8:34 AM
livemild said...: i too am somewhat skeptical...was this done before or after their nap?

before might indicate that they were cranky and liked mccains negative campaign; October 21, 2008 8:34 AM
tony said...: Question for Nate or anyone who knows:

How do the pollsters take into account the fact that many people have now voted early?

And if the bulk of the early voters were enthusiastic Obama supporters wouldn't this skew the remaining sample?; October 21, 2008 8:34 AM
Matador said...: Obama down to +10 in Morning Call tracking. He was +16 five days ago. Fact is, +10 is probably way overstated.

So where is Obama's presence in Pennsylvania? At least have Biden there 4 days out of the week. We should also be reading that he is spending $10 million a day on TV there. Losing PA is the only POSSIBLE way Obama can blow this. It should be priority #1, #2, and #3 for the campaign. Why don't they seem to understand that?

And please do something to counter the "Joe the Plumber" B.S. What happened to "instant response?" Thye campaign has let McCain go unchecked on this crap for a solid week, and it's working, esp in places like PA. What is so hard about countering with a strong message based on FACTS, like explaining in clear everyday language that Joe is a fraud and doesn't represent the working class in the slightest, in fact, he's the poster boy for the trickle down sucker? Take on the argument head on. It's gold. McCain is extolling Bush's economic ideology, and the public is falling for it hook, line, and sinker. You can't beat the "trickle down helps everybody" line at this point? Please, DO SOMETHING!; October 21, 2008 8:34 AM
Jesse Radin said...: Obama should start advertising on World of Warcraft.

Ten million accounts, most of the people paying are 18+. (even if kids play)

Get out the word about McCain's anti-gamer comments. A lot of the old-time D&Ders are republican-libertarians,secular conservatives.

They will leave the McCain/Palin ticket if they have not yet.; October 21, 2008 8:36 AM
Ryan said...: @nam vet joe from jersey:
I love Erin Burnett.

So does Chris Matthews.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpxkKeNgbyU; October 21, 2008 8:36 AM
Real Joe said...: matador said...
ok.
back to work.

have a nice day to you all and good morning to Real Joe whenever He arrives.

Hey Real Joe:
Obama's boat is leaving the harbour ,would you mind to hurry up and just jump in ???
bye.
:)

good morning !

13 days to go; October 21, 2008 8:37 AM
Jesse Radin said...: Even if we lose PA, we win.

Assuming McCain puts all his energy into getting out the racist vote in PA, Obama keeps OH, FL and easily keeps VA.

Obama has so much more money, he can probably take ND and MT too.; October 21, 2008 8:38 AM
Real Joe said...: jesse radin said...
Even if we lose PA, we win.

you guys will win PA; October 21, 2008 8:39 AM
Real Joe said...: Obama Would Create Cabinet Level Technology Officer; October 21, 2008 8:40 AM
Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...: Damn--Matthews; October 21, 2008 8:40 AM
Matador said...: What's shakin', Joe?; October 21, 2008 8:40 AM
Doug said...: I need to ask an off-topic question. Apologies in advance.

When I look at the comments, I can't see all of them; I only see down to a certain number (maybe 100 ... ?) I keep looking for a "show the rest of the comments" link, and it doesn't appear anywhere. I feel like a complete tool asking this question, but what the hell? Do I need some sort of feed software to view the rest of the comments?; October 21, 2008 8:41 AM
Sean said...: Uh-oh, RCP up to 6.0. Someone needs to turn McCain around, poor old guy is surging the wrong way.; October 21, 2008 8:42 AM
CP Jen said...: I'm sorry, guys, but whenever I see MSM I don't think Main Stream Media....I think Men who have Sex with Men...which is abbreviated as MSM in public health research...

I guess there are times when the two are the same...; October 21, 2008 8:42 AM
Thomas said...: @Doug

To see comments higher than 200 click on the Post a Comment link at the end of the comments

At the top of the window that pops up there is a link to see newer post

Dont worry it took me about a week to find that.; October 21, 2008 8:43 AM
Darío said...: RCP no includes the last CBS poll.; October 21, 2008 8:43 AM
Darío said...: Rasmussen?; October 21, 2008 8:43 AM
Jay said...: What we really need to be concerned about is Obama and the Democrats stopping these kids from getting to the voting booth. Already I'm hearing ramapant rumors that the toddler vote is almost at 0%. I blame Acorn.; October 21, 2008 8:43 AM
Real Joe said...: On Election Night, Look To The East

We Should Know Early On Whether Democrats Won The White House And A Filibuster-Proof Majority In The Senate

Link; October 21, 2008 8:44 AM
cora said...: hotline

m 41 (-1 )
o 47 ( = ); October 21, 2008 8:44 AM
Jesse Radin said...: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2110843/posts

They think this poll means a lot and they are excited.; October 21, 2008 8:45 AM
TL said...: This post has been removed by the author.; October 21, 2008 8:46 AM
PA John said...: I think all the talk about McCain going after PA hard is a blessing is disguise for the Obama troops here, it keeps things focused and eliminates complacency!; October 21, 2008 8:46 AM
Doug said...: @thomas

Thanks. Sure would be nice to see it all on one page, though. Or at least be able to cycle through them in some reasonable way. So I'll just throw that on the request pile.; October 21, 2008 8:47 AM
Real Joe said...: Ras ??; October 21, 2008 8:48 AM
PA John said...: RCP no includes the last CBS poll.

Dario,
That was not their top line poll.

It was a poll of people they polled before all the debates began, then again after the debates ended.; October 21, 2008 8:48 AM
juliephx said...: To view the comments, including 200+ full screen:

On the threads initial page, right-click on "Post a Comment" and then left-click "Open In a New Window"

You can scroll up and down one page at a time with the space bar (down) and Shift-space (up).

To refresh for the latest comments, press the F5 key.; October 21, 2008 8:49 AM
Mike said...: What are the odds that the Republicans start pushing to lower the voting age over the next 7 days and send Palin to day care centers across the country.; October 21, 2008 8:50 AM
Darío said...: Where is antimatic?; October 21, 2008 8:50 AM
Blame said...: Obama might be playing Rope-a-dope with McCain in PA. Let McCain pour all resources into PA, and THEN take it away from him.

Also I can't think of a winning stratergy for McCain in PA that can't be turned against him in FL.; October 21, 2008 8:52 AM
Jesse Radin said...: They'd need to lower the age to 5, but block those between 13-17.

If you lowered the age to 15 or 16, Obama would win in a landslide, by then most kids have some idea of the world and don't follow their parents 100%.; October 21, 2008 8:53 AM
Jesse Radin said...: McCain has no strategy.

It makes more sense for Obama to randomly go into South Carolina or Arizona than McCain into Pennsylvania.; October 21, 2008 8:54 AM
Janna said...: ok ok, but I would really like to hear from the unlikely toddlers.; October 21, 2008 8:55 AM
lucyp said...: I think the kids are voting for McCain because they share his intellect and public speaking skills.

Seriously, lmao, here. I especially like:

[i]" I'm particularly upset they didn't include such venerable third party candidates as Kermit (whose flush with green in the form of big dollar donations), Humpty Dumpty (whose taken a big fall in the polls recently), or Mother Goose (whose laid a big, fat 0 in the last projection)."[/i]

Very clever, Lei'nad!; October 21, 2008 8:56 AM
Mike said...: Even if by some miracle, McCain gets to within 3 in Pennsylvania, he hits a hard wall. At his post-convention peak, he wasn't able to take a single lead in the state. Just like Bush was never able to win the state after spending a huge amount of time and resources there.

Pennsylvania is a blue state.; October 21, 2008 8:57 AM
juliephx said...: Comment from freerepublic:

"Nick kids picked Kerry last time.

Probably more dumbed down TV watching families.

The big one to watch is Scholastic.

But this year they changed things.

Only half as many kids got polled and now includes high school age kids. So that one got all fouled up.
High school kids are going to skew it bad to Obama."

Yeah, Nate, how do you weight Scholastic v. Nick?

You couldn't make this stuff up!; October 21, 2008 8:59 AM
PA John said...: *** BREAKING NEWS FROM DRUDGE***

McCAIN ADDS KEY BATTLEGROUND CAMPAIGN STOPS TO THE CRAYOLA CRAYON FACTORY IN EASTON PA

ALSO GET ENDORSEMENT FROM 6 OUT OF THE 8 KIDS FROM "JOHN AND KATE PLUS 8" TV SHOW

PALIN PLANS JOINT CAMPAIGN STOP WITH SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS

.....DEVELOPING; October 21, 2008 8:59 AM
sleeguy123 said...: @matador:

you've got to calm down. the o team knows what they're doing.; October 21, 2008 8:59 AM
quantman said...: The Scoop on Matt Drudge!

You know Matt Drudge has no college degree!

Matt Drudge would know anything about math or stat, if it bit him in his ass.

Matt Drudge is an ignorant guy who got lucky by realizing he could make money off the internet by appealing to the tens of millions of stupid people (just like him in this world).

Matt Drudge is both smart in understanding people, and unbelievably stupid and ignorant when it comes to math and science.

That's why Conservatives love him!; October 21, 2008 8:59 AM
PorridgeGun said...: The Daily Show - "Real" Virginia, Michelle Bachmann, Mooseburger and Alaska

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/10/what-the-pfot.html; October 21, 2008 8:59 AM
Chun said...: "Nick kids picked Kerry last time."

Those freaking koolaid drinkers.; October 21, 2008 9:00 AM
lucyp said...: But, Nate, you don't seem to have changed the win percentage to reflect this new poll? C'mon, throw some simulations on the fire and let's get the REAL numbers up there! Or are you cherry-picking again? 8-); October 21, 2008 9:00 AM
Real Joe said...: Obama enters October with $133.6 million in hand; October 21, 2008 9:01 AM
The Purloined Letter said...: In addition to the no-tv lives of some lefties (me included) as the brilliant comment above states, there is also the fact that religious fundamentalists have larger families and tend to vote Republican. While I don't think that matters in this election, it might be a real factor in the future...; October 21, 2008 9:01 AM
foreverblu said...: You know, I don't really think this is a surprise given the way Sponge Bob and Dora the Explorer came out for McCain over the weekend.; October 21, 2008 9:02 AM
Antmatic said...: Rasmussen
O-50
M-46
Unchanged

I was expecting to see a some movement towards O in this poll; looks like that'll have to wait until midweek.

Other trackers
Hotline
O-47
M-41 (-1)

Zogby is well known; October 21, 2008 9:03 AM
Real Joe said...: pa john said...
*** BREAKING NEWS FROM DRUDGE***

McCAIN ADDS KEY BATTLEGROUND CAMPAIGN STOPS TO THE CRAYOLA CRAYON FACTORY IN EASTON PA

ALSO GET ENDORSEMENT FROM 6 OUT OF THE 8 KIDS FROM "JOHN AND KATE PLUS 8" TV SHOW

PALIN PLANS JOINT CAMPAIGN STOP WITH SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS

.....DEVELOPING

LOL; October 21, 2008 9:03 AM
Real Joe said...: antmatic said...
Rasmussen
O-50
M-46
Unchanged

thanks antmatic; October 21, 2008 9:04 AM
Thomas said...: purloined - you are only including whites

Hispanics and Blacks tend to have larger families as well, and they vote Democratic.; October 21, 2008 9:04 AM
PorridgeGun said...: Murtha needs to STFU. I don't trust that guy as far as I can piss.; October 21, 2008 9:06 AM
Kid G said...: New Jersey Quinnipiac Obama 59, McCain 36 Obama +23

Sweeeeeet! These huge numbers might mean that NJ-05 and NJ-07 will switch as well. Vote Shulman and Stender!!!; October 21, 2008 9:06 AM
Real Joe said...: CNN-TIME state polls coming out today; October 21, 2008 9:07 AM
Mike said...: Welcome to the world where Drudge is tagged "MSM". Surreal.; October 21, 2008 9:07 AM
iliekmaps said...: Actually, the nickelodeon poll makes perfect sense. Imagine that kids simply pick who their parents say they're going to vote for, and thus actually reflect the voting public with children who watch nickelodeon. Now not all adults will have children at the right nickelodeon-watching age. Mostly it will be households with children 7-13. The voting adults in this household are probably between the ages of 35-44, a much more conservative group than the voting public as a whole. Furthermore, these families are probably more likely to live in a suburban area, be well-off enough to own and watch a TV, and to be well educated. In short, the poll is representative, but only of a certain sector of the US population; October 21, 2008 9:08 AM
Cugel said...: Reminds me of when I was a wee lad back in 1960! There was a voting booth outside the main voting hall in our town where kids could vote (in Lancaster PA). The voting tally was open so you could see that Nixon was stomping Kennedy badly -- mainly due to Republican kids who voted again and again!

Just like in real life!

I remember being shocked at how badly Kennedy was doing until my parents told me that it didn't count!

Now today, McCain is pinning his hopes on Lancaster county and other rural Pennsylvania counties to be just as redneck and stupid as those kids in 1960.

Could happen too, but it's not the way to bet!; October 21, 2008 9:10 AM
Kid G said...: BREAKING SHOCK POLL: 7-eleven poll shows Obama with a 59-41 lead in UTAH and 61-39 lead in TEXAS!!!

For more details and other SHOCKING results, see
http://www.7-election.com/; October 21, 2008 9:11 AM
PorridgeGun said...: Rasmussen...BULLSHIT. I said it yesterday, his push polling of Joe the Douchebag and ACORN indicates he's back shilling for McCain/Mooseburger. Also, his OH/FL polls are bogus.; October 21, 2008 9:11 AM
Joseph said...: Poor Drudge...I'm starting to feel sorry for his lame a$$. All the Kool-Aid has really messed him up; October 21, 2008 9:12 AM
Wa7th said...: Has anyone heard any details about the effort to disenfranchise youth voters in Ohio and Colorado by raising the voting age to 18? This aggression will not stand! The dude does not abide!!; October 21, 2008 9:14 AM
Ed in NJ said...: I have my doubts about Stender here in NJ. Although polls look like a tossup, Freedom's Watch has been been going very heavy on the negative ads here. My only hope is that people see through the juvenile Stender is a Spender ads that have been running for 2 election cycles now.; October 21, 2008 9:14 AM
baltimoretim said...: juliephxI was just about to post the same quote. High hilarity.; October 21, 2008 9:14 AM
Jesse Radin said...: Drudge used to be Obama-biased.

He hates the Clintons and he loved Obama for destroying Hillary Clinton. As do I and most people.

He would basically post picture of John McCain back then saying he's getting skin cancer again

I guess now he's back to his old ways.; October 21, 2008 9:15 AM
kittles93 said...: It seems the race has not tightened. I am surprised by this fact. If it doesn't tighten by the middle of next week, I think the GOP will be demoralized entirely.

Also, if McCain's strategy is now PA, why are they telegraphing it? You would think 'stealth' would be the mode of choice. The leaks coming from the McCain campaign strike one as either duplicity or utter incompetence.

You basically announced to the Obama campaign that they should send the Clintons to PA in the last week and Obama on the lost days to sew up a Democrat-leaning state.

I have no inside knowledge, but I suspect there are some high-level GOP who secretly want McCain to lose so they can gear up with "one of their own" in 2012. There are way too many leaks right now for me to think otherwise.; October 21, 2008 9:16 AM
Woolie said...: LOL, you really like to bash this Drudge report, don't you? My question is: is it really worth your time? The Drudge report is nothing. It has zero integrity. Leave it be.; October 21, 2008 9:17 AM
Kid G said...: @Ed in NJ:

I am seeing a lot of Stender lawn signs, though. Also, Mike Hsing should be able to split the fiscal conservative vote enough to push her through. Unfortunately, she may lose a lot of the Asians to him as well (probably about 8% of the district).; October 21, 2008 9:18 AM
Matt said...: Given Ras' current party ID numbers, I don't understand how he can have this as a 4 point race at the moment, especially when you take into account the other polling out there. Something strange going on.

Does anyone know if he conducts his push polling in concert with his horse race polling?; October 21, 2008 9:20 AM
samule said...: samples from the freeptards about the nick poll:

-They oversampled 5 year olds. Mccain should be up 3-4%.

-I find this VERY encouraging. Last election, the Nick kids picked Kerry 57% over Bush 43%. If "THE ONE" only mustered a two point win, that is good news for McCain.

-Socialist lil’ bastards.

-Wow that’s close! President Kerry—er-— Senator Kerry blew President Bush away in 2004!

This is very encouraging.

-Believe it or not, kids tend to be a good indictator of how their parents will ultimately vote.

So it looks like dead heat coming into election day.

___

lol!
there's also some major 538er trolling going on there I suppose..; October 21, 2008 9:20 AM
Matt said...: Given Ras' current party ID numbers, I don't understand how he can have this as a 4 point race at the moment, especially when you take into account the other polling out there. Something strange going on.

Does anyone know if he conducts his push polling in concert with his horse race polling?; October 21, 2008 9:20 AM
Thomas said...: The race has tightened slightly from Obama's big lead last week. Even this site is seeing it - but its not anywhere close to what McCain would need to win.

And in fact the tightening is showing up as you would expect it to - undecideds deciding that they cant vote for the guy in the lead. The slight gains McCain had made last week were almost all his numbers recovering from their lows, not Obama losing people.

Case in point - he has been above 50% in Rassmussen for 26 days now. Same with Gallup registered, and he has never dipped below 49%, even in the Gallup "traditional" LV.

The worst part for McCain is that becuase of the EC - he probably has to get a national lead of 1-2% to even have a shot.; October 21, 2008 9:21 AM
JoJo said...: I guess middle aged McCain supporters have figured out how to log on to the Nickelodeon website. Not that McCain himself knows how to log on to to internet.; October 21, 2008 9:22 AM
Jesse Radin said...: Drudge, like it or not, is popular with conservatives/libertarians.

I had to show my friend who had Drudge as his home page the Wiki article on him to prove that he was biased.

His dad still sends me Drudge news every day about the polls, insisting it's "not over."; October 21, 2008 9:25 AM
Kid G said...: Drudge is relatively harmless, but I am concerned that he is inciting conservative militancy, just like the Palin/McCain rallies were last week. I have read more and more reports of effigy hangings, tire slashing, and car destroying. The next step is you know what. I am afraid that there are enough nutjobs with guns out there to have a very very ugly incident take place in the next couple of weeks, not to Obama but to one of the campaign's volunteer canvassers. If that does happen, I hope the media absolutely excoriates the GOP for inciting hatred and violence in this country, and that it will never be able to recover its good name.; October 21, 2008 9:26 AM
andrew said...: It makes me so incredibly happy that this site exists to endlessly mock the drudge report. Everything they post is so unbelievably asinine...now there's someone to call bullshit. Thank you.

And one comment on McCain's latest erratic hail mary strategy. If Bush couldn't win PA in 2004, at nearly the height of his popularity and in the midst of a still-then popular war, against a lackluster marginal candidate, how could his senile mind believe he'll win it in 2008 against the most exciting democratic candidate since Kennedy? As he stopped taking his dementia medicine?; October 21, 2008 9:28 AM
Alex S. said...: Funny to see the freeptards believing in their own manipulation...; October 21, 2008 9:29 AM
bryen193 said...: "Obama down to +10 in Morning Call tracking. He was +16 five days ago. Fact is, +10 is probably way overstated. "

Obama's number during that period has been steady at 52 or 53 each day. It's McCain's number that's been rattling around between 37(!) and 42.

Nothing to see.; October 21, 2008 9:31 AM
Cugel said...: About McCain's Pennsylvania strategy: Seems stupid to me, but then McCain has to try something. What I don't see is why Colorado where McCain is within 4% is worse for him than Pennsylvania where he's down at least 10%!

I believe McCain's move is NOT driven by internal polls showing him within striking distance! It's simply based on electoral math!

He simply needs the 21 EV in PA if he's going to lose Kerry States and VA, CO, IA and NM (total: 286 EV).

If he wins PA, then he can afford to lose BOTH CO and VA, (Kerry-252 + IA(5) + CO(9) + VA (13) = 286 - PA(21) = 265, so McCain wins!

(But this only works if he doesn't lose any other states: NC, FL, OH, IN, GA, ND, NV).; October 21, 2008 9:31 AM
ozzie said...: PA has no early voting. The inside numbers on early voting for the McCain campaign must look really bad if they are betting on winning PA instead of CO. Maybe they think they have great Republican GOTV in PA?; October 21, 2008 9:33 AM
Jesse Radin said...: I don't think Drudge actually likes McCain.

I think he likes Palin.

Either that, or he actually likes Obama as he hinted in the summer with his pro obama bias but he knows his audience is angry conservative men, so he has to play to them; October 21, 2008 9:34 AM
Jesse Radin said...: http://www.270towin.com/

They show Obama winning 277 votes with toss ups included.

Before it was 264.; October 21, 2008 9:37 AM
Kid G said...: @Jesse:

I think there has been a lot of talk about how Drudge favored Obama because he thought he would be easier to beat than Hillary.; October 21, 2008 9:38 AM
Jesse Radin said...: I thought it was more his bitter hatred of the Clintons, and his general sexism.; October 21, 2008 9:39 AM
War Hussein Obama said...: My opinion on PA, is that McCain and his campaign have conceeded all but conceeded the race, but they cant give the impression that the race is over or there will definitely be an EMBARRASSING landsled.

PA is the big Blue state that they initially targeted to turn Red. I think they are continuing the fight in PA in order to give the perception that they are still playing offense until the end. Its only a symbolic "play" for PA. And after pulling out of Michigan, its no way they can pull out of PA quietly without demoralizing the party.; October 21, 2008 9:39 AM
Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...: Agree cugel---there is no way for McCain to win without flipping PA. He can win every toss up state that would bring him to 252 EV. I don't think there is another state that can get him to 270+; October 21, 2008 9:39 AM
Cugel said...: It occurs to me that the REAL lumps in McCain's Metamucel are that even if he wins PA, he will STILL be sunk by losing MO or NV.

He's losing in NV and MO right now, but he's in the sweet land of denial, just like he is in GA.

BTW: Making a big effort for Georgia helps organize Democrats in that state and will make it more competitive for years to come even if Obama loses, as is likely.

I do think he needs to send Joe Biden back to Scranton for a few days though and tour around the state drawing huge crowds.; October 21, 2008 9:39 AM
newsfromOH said...: jesse,

There you go--the October surprise.

Drudge endorses Obama . . .; October 21, 2008 9:39 AM
Kid G said...: I think Drudge has a big problem with Oprah, actually. Check out the new top line on his page.; October 21, 2008 9:42 AM
War Hussein Obama said...: why are we giving drudge traffic?; October 21, 2008 9:42 AM
Kid G said...: sorry War:

or don't check it out if you don't want his view count to go up.; October 21, 2008 9:44 AM
PA John said...: Battle Ground has Obama +1

LOL; October 21, 2008 9:46 AM
andrew said...: Hey guys, I've been mulling over a question and I would love some of your insightful analysis:

Now that McCain's camp has all but declared CO "unwinnable," what effect will that have on the voters in that state? Will Republicans just stay home? Will undecideds automatically break for Obama, reasoning that McCain doesn't even want them? If a candidate says he's pulling out of a state, is it all but a sure thing he will then lose the state?

Thanks.; October 21, 2008 9:48 AM
Jesse Radin said...: I think we should spam Drudge's rumor box with links to fivethirtyeight. It'd be funny to see what they post.; October 21, 2008 9:56 AM
Ian Monroe said...: @andrew Pulling out of a state creates immense amounts of bad press. It was horrible when Kerry pulled out of Missouri.; October 21, 2008 9:56 AM
Ian Monroe said...: @jesse radin: Nothing funny about spam, son.; October 21, 2008 9:56 AM
newsfromOH said...: Republican Jewish Coalition just aired a negative O ad here in OH. All about foreign policy (surprise, surprise); October 21, 2008 9:57 AM
SHERWICK said...: andrew:
1. bad.
2. yes.
3. yes.
4. yes.; October 21, 2008 9:58 AM
Chris H. said...: Ah. Here we see the Milton Bradley effect.; October 21, 2008 10:01 AM
Lisa said...: My 7 year old came running into me while I was making dinner and said that we had to go online at Nick and vote for Obama. I said no b/c I was busy. He was ticked b/c the window to vote was short & he is not allowed to go to new websites alone. Bad Mommy.

I'm sure that the poll was very accurate b/c the 7 year olds with internet access is the exact demographic of most likely voters.; October 21, 2008 10:02 AM
newsfromOH said...: chris h

Milton Bradley effect!

Gold star--LOL; October 21, 2008 10:06 AM
Lisa said...: NewsfromO:

Most Jewish folks are democratic leaning but there was a major divide when the early campaigning was scaring the elderly Jews with racist and anti-Israel stuff.

BY enlarge the under 50 Jewish community are still Dems and the older ones are slowly coming around. I think Palin helped them see the light!

While you may see some 527 ads, I don't think it reflects the actual demographic.

L; October 21, 2008 10:13 AM
MojoMom said...: I have to say my kid was pretty excited about the Nickelodeon vote. She really wanted to be part of the process. So while yes, the Drudge Report is ridiculous, don't blow off the idea of getting kids interested in the election.

Plus, Obama won :-); October 21, 2008 10:19 AM
EzE said...: come on nate, stop trying to fill up space. in 1988 I was polled at the age of 5. Not knowing a thing about anything, I picked bush, b/c I liked the sound of his name and I couldn't pronounce Dukakis. Nate, I've voted Democrat every year sence I was 18. My parents are democrats, my brother is a democrat. Please, don't put any more Drudge items on your page, this is the 3 one that has been a complete waste of your time. I guess in some ways it is somewhat entertaining, but in more of a "Oh no! when I was 5 years old I would have voted for HW!" type of entertaining.; October 21, 2008 10:21 AM
Jesse Radin said...: By the time I was 5 (1990) I hated Republicans. I didn't know much, but my parents talked badly about the Republicans. I didn't like saying the Pledge of Allegiance because it had "Republic" in it, and that reminded me of Republicans.

Until I was in my teens and read things online, I assumed Ronald Reagan was considered one of the worst presidents ever by everyone, since my mom would always talk about his quadrupling the debt. It really confused me that he was worshiped by so many when I found out.

I think the kids actually had to vote online for this one though, on Nick's online site or mobile service. Or, freepers/drudgers found the poll and voted McCain too.; October 21, 2008 10:27 AM
maviens1969 said...: Well, a lot of College kids watch Blues Clues! :O; October 21, 2008 10:29 AM
Cugel said...: "Now that McCain's camp has all but declared CO "unwinnable," what effect will that have on the voters in that state? Will Republicans just stay home? Will undecideds automatically break for Obama, reasoning that McCain doesn't even want them? If a candidate says he's pulling out of a state, is it all but a sure thing he will then lose the state?"

I expect McCain to announce shortly that he's NOT pulling out of Colorado, even though he secretly is!

When he pulled out of Michigan he STUPIDLY ANNOUNCED IT! Palin even created MORE publicity and controversy when she criticized the decision.

Result? Look at the polling in Michigan since then! Both Quinnipiac and Rasmussen have Obama +16%! A total Blowout in a state Kerry only carried by about 2%.

I don't think McCain will actually publicly pull out of Colorado, nor will the media confirm it. He could leave his advertising in place here to give a fig-leaf to prevent the media from talking about how impossible it is for him to win and start throwing around terms like "desperate" "Hail-Mary" "unlikely scenario" or "last-ditch play."

If the media starts talking about how this McCain is conceding this and that state and how much of a "long-shot" his chances are, lots of Republican voters who don't really like McCain that much to begin with might well shrug and stay home.; October 21, 2008 10:41 AM
Tom Hughes said...: OK, but what do the cross tabs look like?; October 21, 2008 10:43 AM
Ian Monroe said...: @Cugel limited advertising isn't a figleaf for staffers being pulled out. If that happens, the local press will report it as a pullout.

Keeping your staff, but limiting ad-buys might work though. (As thats not really pulling out then.); October 21, 2008 10:46 AM
Márton said...: actually I hear nickelodeon is a pretty good pollster; October 21, 2008 10:56 AM
goethean said...: People don't goof on Drudge enough. He's a total loon and the general public tends to take him way too seriously.

More pointing and laughing at Drudge, please!; October 21, 2008 11:00 AM
Larry Parker said...: It's funny that 7 year olds are better at surfing the internet than McCain.; October 21, 2008 11:08 AM
rorgg said...: Actual conversation overheard this morning at my house between my 3 1/2-year-old daughter and my father-in-law:

Grandpa: Who are you going to vote for?
Kiddo: I'm voting for Barack Obama. Who are you voting for?
Grandpa: I'm not sure.
Kiddo: Well, you have to vote for Barack Obama or John McCain.
Grandpa: Well, I'm not voting for John McCain.
Kiddo: Then you have to vote for Barack Obama. Those are your only choices.
Grandpa: I think I'll vote for you!
Kiddo: No, Grandpa! I'm not on TV and I'm only a kid!
Grandpa: Well... then I'll wait until you're older and vote for you then.
Kiddo: (sigh) okaaaay. Then I can be on TV.

We've been trying to explain what's going on to her, but it's pretty funny nonetheless. A couple weeks ago, she told me she wants Obama to win because "I agree with his politics."

I dared not delve further.; October 21, 2008 11:09 AM
Jesse Radin said...: McCain's announcement to ditch Colorado will make it on the media.

It's on blogs now.

It will first get to the liberal-leaning network, MSNBC. Then CNN will pick up on it, and even FOX will have to admit to it.; October 21, 2008 11:10 AM
rosidae said...: All this poll means is that kids sometimes reflect the attitudes of their parents intuitively and is usually reflected in the Nickelodeon polls.

This article seems like a good analysis of the Nickelodeon poll.
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTIyY2ZhMTAzMDU3NzliODY2OGFlNDdlMDMwOGZlMjI=; October 21, 2008 11:17 AM
OCEANREVOLUTION.org said...: Progressive kids watch PBS, where Obama is up in the under six poll 82% to 18%. McCain gets a big boost from the kids named John who vote for him.; October 21, 2008 11:21 AM
cookie-nut said...: I can't believe he's toting that as evidence it's a close race. Um, it's the "Kids Pick The President" election. Obama WON.

I guess that point kinda went over his head.; October 21, 2008 11:30 AM
Buffalo Wing Conspiricist said...: This constant "in and out" regarding CO for McCain suggests he is being fucked!

Oh those crazy kids got confused!

They thought it was THIS McCain;

http://www.mccain.com/Pages/Home.aspx

:O; October 21, 2008 11:39 AM
Dave-london said...: BBC Kids have rather controversially gone for igglepiggle, we tried to tell them the red blanket he carries round was a portent for his latent communism but they have decided in a historic decision to go for a blue candidate [despite his ties to maccapacca].

Bob the builders faillure to endorse BO was the turing point of the campaign though amid accusations of plagerism over BOs slogan Yes We can and Bobs controversial views on Polish builders.

By the way have just realised that JM is mr carboretta! [Roary the racing car]; October 21, 2008 11:47 AM
Keith said...: The Nickelodium kids election showed Obama winning only 51%-49% with almost 2 1/2 million total votes. In 2004 they had Kerry winning 57%-43%. Pay attention to this and the Weekly reader poll (being conducted by Zogby).

kids tend to vote based on what they hear at home.; October 21, 2008 12:08 PM
CoryWilson said...: Is there any major significance to Obama coming BACK to Indianapolis for a second time in 2 weeks?; October 21, 2008 12:09 PM
66gardeners said...: How does Rasmussen get away with stating its polls are weighted 39.7% democrat and 33% republican and use a 4% point difference in its last few days of national polling.; October 21, 2008 12:19 PM
J said...: Nate are you factoring this poll into your prediction models? I kid, I kid.; October 21, 2008 12:24 PM
Alex said...: The McCain campaign played up the immigration issue to get those numbers. Apparently, anti-'Dora the Explorer' sentiment runs high amongst the Nick jr voting bloc.; October 21, 2008 12:31 PM
jblueep said...: I'm a republican, and I realize that Obama is very likely to win this election.

However, I wonder if this Nickelodean poll should be so quickly dismissed for the following reasons:

1. First of all, Nickelodean kids are not toddlers. They are 7 to 12 year olds who pay attention to what their parents are talking about much more than parent realize. For this reason, they are likely to parrot what their parents believe.

2. A lot of Christian conservatives (a very reliable voting block) do not have TVs, or if they do, do not have cable, and if they do have cable, strictly limit what their kids watch. I would think that the Democratic weighting (for their parents) would be pretty high, certainly greater than 50%.

I realize that this is not a scientific analysis, but I'm not sure it should be dismissed as a joke.

Finally, even though I desperately want Obama to lose this election, if he is elected, he will be MY president.; October 21, 2008 12:32 PM
Nick said...: @jblueep:

well, there's more than 3 million kids in this country, and idk that evangelicals restrict nickelodeon viewing (i mean are they really gonna be like Ned Flanders and block out everything but religious channels? lol), and kids born to a lower economic class are less likely to watch tv or go online in the first place, so I think it undercounts the kids of parents who support Obama in that regard.; October 21, 2008 1:08 PM
Chris Andersen said...: Sounds to me like some McCain people took it upon themselves to pretend to be kids and call in to "vote" for McCain. I just have a real problem imagining that many kids going out of their way to vote for McCain.; October 21, 2008 1:25 PM
flwyd said...: The first vote I ever cast was in kindergarten in 1984. The teacher drew two smiley faces on the chalk board with an R (for Regan) under one and an M (for Mondale) under the other. I voted for the R because i thought it looked like a better stick figure body than an M. (As it turned out, this wasn't too different from the reasons man adults voted for him.)

A few years later (during the Iran-Contra hearings), I started picking up on a sense that Regan was a bad guy and I worried that my vote helped him get elected.; October 21, 2008 1:28 PM
jblueep said...: @Nick,

You would be surprised how many Ned Flanders there are out there. The fact that I know who Ned Flanders is shows that I'm not one of the them :)

Interesting point about lower income. You might be right, although even the poorest people seem to have cable or satellite these days. And the TV tends to be a babysitter in lower income situation, where both parents work all the time.

I wonder about the influence of teachers to. Sometimes that influence is bigger than the parents (as far as face time with the kids anyway). Most of the teachers I know are Democrats. I don't know how many use their teaching pulpit for politics, but surely some of it must come out intentional or not.

3 Million is pretty big sample size for a poll. But, it's an internet poll, so it might be totally useless.

It will be interesting on election night so see if there is any credibility to it.; October 21, 2008 1:31 PM
Mike said...: My favorite non-poll poll: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/buy/elections08_meter

I think it is a good proxy for "enthusiasm" since it requires you to put up cash for your candidate unlike "straw polls".; October 21, 2008 1:32 PM
wayne said...: Well, it kind of makes sense that Nickelodeon would like McCain since they are the second biggest users of slime in the country behind the RNC....; October 21, 2008 1:40 PM
Jen said...: Don't believe the hype. My five year old was running around the house screaming "I'm voting for John McCain!" last night, but she's definitely the child of a blue household.

She's just mad about being out 4 hours in the cold this Sunday to see Joe Biden, and she's still bitter about Hillary not winning the primary.; October 21, 2008 1:57 PM
Wilson said...: Denial - how terrible. How would Drudge and readership cope on 11/5 ? Dismantle the magazine ?; October 21, 2008 2:00 PM
sopranospinner said...: My kids voted (for Obama/Biden) in this and were convinced that the 2% difference was really their 2 votes. My son kept jumping up and down with his arms up in the air going "I"m thrilled!"; October 21, 2008 2:19 PM
Nick said...: @jblueep

yeah, you're right, there are alot of Ned Flanders' out there, but at least where I live (Maryland), the evangelicals I meet aren't thaat restrictive

And yeah, youre right that it is surprising how many lower-income families have (or have had at some point) some form of cable service, but still this was an internet poll, and at least where I live most lower-income kids don't have computers, and so the libraries are always filled with kids using the computers. So access is still an issue.

As for most teachers being democrats, that's prob true, but I went to a high school where most of the teachers were republicans and the democratic teachers were afraid to speak their minds (some actually swore me to secrecy). Every day the republican teachers would go on long rants about welfare or something stupid and Id call them out on every falsehood - yeah, they loved me there :p

I was worried at the time cuz it seemed like they were having an effect on the students' political views, but now that Im in college I've found that alot of the people I knew in hs who said they were republicans have become democrats due to family and friend influences, so in the end teachers dont matter.

and yeah, 3 million is a big sample size for a poll, but being internet-based we all seem to agree its undercounting some groups. I remember during the 04 election the school system for the county I live in had EVERY student (as in it was mandatory unless you chose to opt out of it) "vote" for Kerry or Bush. Kerry actually did 8 points better with that "vote" than he did with the county as a whole. Now that's a representative sample :p; October 21, 2008 2:53 PM
Zahlman said...: Come on, guys, this one is easy to explain. Ever since "Kerry's crack about McCain wearing adult diapers", it's a lot easier for the kids to relate to him. ;)

Eh. Whenever high and middle schoolers get "polled" in Canada, the left-wing parties do WAY better than they do among the adults. But kids... sheesh... idk.; October 21, 2008 3:06 PM
Jesse Radin said...: We have Pew
O: 53
M: 39

another +14

I've heard they actually poll cell phones so they may be closer than the +3, +4

RCP now says average of +6.9, so basically Obama is gaining again after a slight "drop" mostly due to RCP dropping polls it never should have dropped.; October 21, 2008 3:55 PM
lorikbaker said...: That's because Democrat parents make their kids watch the educational children's channels. ;); October 21, 2008 4:36 PM
malevolentmuse said...: Anyone who takes this seriously needs their head examined. First of all, how do we know it really was kids voting in this? It's really easy to register at Nickelodeon's websites. I just did it, in fact, to prove my point; October 21, 2008 4:56 PM
nkpolitics1279 said...: We should put ink in Pat Buchanan's mostache area while he is sleeping.

Nancy Pfothenour suggests that Real Virginia is MACACAland.; October 21, 2008 5:30 PM
nkpolitics1279 said...: If Obama is a communist
If his Name Boris Hussien Osama.; October 21, 2008 5:47 PM
Mark1 said...: Hey, Nate, can you add a new label to help with searching ?

My suggestion for posts like this would be 'sad' -- It'll help find the really stupid stuff much more quickly ! And by that I mean the stupid funny stuff !; October 21, 2008 6:16 PM
T Kopke said...: There is a rumor going around the Arkansas Public Schools that Obama will take away your fireworks! My kids came home in a panic the other day. They know we are voting for Obama.; October 21, 2008 7:23 PM

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