10.17.2008

On the Road: Western Pennsylvania

“I walked five miles to get out of Pittsburgh, and two rides, an apple truck and a big trailer truck, took me to Harrisburg in the soft Indian-summer rainy night. I cut right along. I wanted to get home…. That night in Harrisburg I had to sleep in the railroad station on a bench; at dawn the station masters threw me out. Isn’t it true that you start your life a sweet child believing in everything under your father’s roof?”

– Jack Kerouac, “On the Road”

Michelle at Univ. of Pittsburgh - BrettMarty.com


So a canvasser goes to a woman's door in Washington, Pennsylvania. Knocks. Woman answers. Knocker asks who she's planning to vote for. She isn't sure, has to ask her husband who she's voting for. Husband is off in another room watching some game. Canvasser hears him yell back, "We're votin' for the n***er!"

Woman turns back to canvasser, and says brightly and matter of factly: "We're voting for the n***er."

In this economy, racism is officially a luxury. How is John McCain going to win if he can't win those voters? John Murtha's "racist" western Pennsylvania district, where this story takes place, is some of the roughest turf in the nation. But Barack Obama is on the ground and making inroads due to unusually strong organizing leadership.

In Washington County, a bellwether in this traditional swing state that John Kerry carried by a mere 552 votes out of over 96,000 cast, the Obama campaign's mood is optimistic but very cautious. The campaign has registered over 4,000 new voters in this county, and enough statewide since the primary season to push the Democratic registration edge to over 1.2 million.

Still, Barack Obama wasn't competitive in the primary, and getting volunteers, knocks and phone calls was tough over the summer. "After the primary many of the Obama supporters were tired and were enjoying their summer," according to longtime resident and Obama Neighborhood Team Leader Greg Roth, whose house was used as a staging location during the primary. "Also, it took some time for some of the Hillary supporters come around."

As the campaign shifts into GOTV (get out the vote) mode, its universe of targeted voters begins to change. "We know who our voters are," said Roth. "Now we just have to go get them to vote." Asked if the racism resistance to Obama would inhibit volunteer effort here, "We had probably 200 people last night show up to our GOTV training in Washington, and it's a complete 180 from the tough summer months."



Over in Indiana, PA and Northern Cambria, PA, volunteers fielded complaints of a massive wave of ugly robocalls both paid for by John McCain's campaign and those paid for by third parties. The third party call was interactive, and purported to be from Barack Obama himself. The call starts out reasonably, and then "Obama" asks what the listener thinks is the most important issue. Whatever the response, "Obama" then launches into a profane and crazed tirade using "n***er" and other shock language.

From what we've seen, this IS the McCain ground campaign. Robocalls count as "touches" on voters, as do direct mail pieces such as this one. As David Plouffe said in today's fundraising letter to supporters, "These tactics are all that the McCain campaign and their allies have left."

In Pittsburgh, we attended Michelle Obama speech at the Soldiers and Sailors Memorial on Pitt's campus. The crowd received her with adoration, and she didn't disappoint, delivering a 45-minute speech to an assembled group of roughly 2,000 on the personal nature of the economic crisis, education, costs of the Iraq War, and health care. She urged the audience not to get complacent, even as polls in Pennsylvania showed a widening race. Work "as if we're 20 points behind," she said.

"Barack Obama, as far as I'm concerned, was always the underdog. He is still the underdog, will be the underdog until the day he's sitting in the Oval Office. We take nothing for granted."

Strongly directed from the candidate himself, Obama's campaign organizers are taking nothing for granted, and the relentless organizing beat goes on. To accommodate the more spread out nature of the turf in west-central PA, over in the more rural upper half of Cambria County, Obama's aggressive campaign has organized its volunteers to improvise with phonebank and canvass staging locations out of apartments and offices after-hours.

"Our first night about a month ago," said volunteer Jim Sabella, "about four of us huddled around a one-bulb lamp to make calls." The apartment the volunteers used for the phonebank hadn't even had the electricity turned back on yet, and so they had to improvise. "We patched it through from the neighbors with an extension cord and just decided, we will do whatever it takes. Enough is enough, and we can't take another four years like the last eight." Now well-lit, the phone bank hosts several volunteers nearly every night of the week.

Eighteen days. Philly burbs, here we come.

Windmills - BrettMarty.com

922 comments

Brett said...

Lancaster PA: pop-in T-Minus, 15 minutes. There had better be yard signs.

Mathis said...

Wait, what? Robocalls with an Obama impersonator using racist language and shouting profanities? Link to audio, please.

InkStain said...

Color me skeptical about some of the claims in this specific blog post.

Real Joe said...

guys

have a nice weekend

who will surge in the weekend ??

GET READY :-)

LJay said...

fuck humanity

sfergus483 said...

Lou Dobbs will run for president as a third party candidate in 2012, finish 2nd behind Pres. Obama, with the GOP candidate running third.

Add the Chicago Sun-Times to normally Republican papers endorsing Obama.

Nearly everyone of these endorsements cites Sarah Palin as a key reason for not endorsing McCain.

InkStain said...

"If Obama won the debate 60-30 why are the polls moving against him?"

Whenever you ask yourself something like that...just remember...a wizard did it.

johnny said...

Big up to my home of Western PA. Stay Blue and Hail to Pitt!

Sean said...

Jack-be-nimble - its hard not to notice when someone is referred to as a 'n****r'. Maybe its not such a shock in your worldview.

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Real Joe said...

everybody take jack's advice

jack is the smartest guy in the room

John said...

Joe the Plumber? Look, Obama's not the guy who launched this guy into the national spotlight by dropping his name into the debate. Once that happened, yeah, the media is going to hop on this like flies on sh**. Obama has had nothing to do with it.

Real Joe said...

Jack is a negro

you don't like Obama because he's too white ?

hahahahahahah

ogre said...

Petekent, J-b-N,

Somewhere, Nathan Bedford Forrest is weeping at the thin gruel racism is coming to, with good racists voting for, well... you know.

Why should people vote against a welfare state when the corporations already got one? Ditto for socialism. Hell, at least people might get some crumbs in that case.

As for not drinking the Kool-Aide... that's precisely what we're not doing. (Now, if disdain lying, tax cheating, too-lazy to take the test morons is un-Murkin, count me in).

Zaz said...

Perhaps this is a naive question, but is it even legal to impersonate someone in a call like that? Are there any restrictions on the kinds of organizations that performed that call? That just seems incredibly over the top. It's one thing to ask someone questions, even slanted ones, but claiming (falsely) to be a presidential candidate is in another league (although clearly not credible to any rational person or probably even effective).

imadis said...

Tonya Harding is back and heading up the RNC, stirring up the Hate Wing of the Republican Party.

Ed M. said...

The third party call was interactive, and purported to be from Barack Obama himself. The call starts out reasonably, and then "Obama" asks what the listener thinks is the most important issue. Whatever the response, "Obama" then launches into a profane and crazed tirade using "n***er" and other shock language.

Is this legal?

ogre said...

PeteKent:
"He would make a fine underwear model, however."

Does something for ya, does he?

Franco said...

PeteKent you are having problems today, maybe it is that butt-plug in the shape of LouDobbs pinga you haven't taken out of your arze for weeks.
wingnut racist basturd

Sean said...

Is this the real PeteKent here? The previous version, although I disagreed with him politically, always seemed intelligent.

Real Joe said...

imadis said...
Tonya Harding is back and heading up the RNC, stirring up the Hate Wing of the Republican Party.


don't blame me

i left the RNC

Karl said...

Sean, sounds like the people I have been running in to.

Here is McCain's last hope: (From Chris Rock's Head of State)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhPzAbOFhFc

Clarissa said...

Ditto on Zaz. I have a real hard time believing that shit is legal.

Also can we have some attribution at least of the circumstances of the first converstation, even if the person who related it doesn't want their name listed.

Real Joe said...

ogre said...
PeteKent:
"He would make a fine underwear model, however."


its clear who PeteKent is

PeteKent is gay

Sean said...

BTW I'm not Sean Quinn.

imadis said...

PeteKent said...
"Curious that the media flies hopped all over Joe, but can't seem to smell out the pile of crap that is Bill Ayers.

You are all such hypocrites.

The people are getting really pissed over this."

It is because Ayers and Joe have about the same contact with Obama--with Joe having a recent association.

Darío said...

There are two PeteKent.
One is honest, the other is a moron.
Welcome, true Pete.

Clarissa said...

All Bill Ayers has been willing to say in public to the Chicago Tribune "What could I possibly say?" before shooing out reporters.

In contrast Joe the Plumber has not seemed to meet an interview request he couldn't turn down, and that keeps the media echo chamber going like Britney shaved her head. If we want the media to stop talking about Joe the Plumber both savory and unsavory somebody needs to make the guy shut up.

Tabula Rasa said...

This post sent shivers down my spine. Outstanding content for sure, but what amazing style and images as well. Great show, guys.

Persuter said...

You know, McCain is running his campaign partially with taxpayer money. I wonder if there's any limit to the kind of ad buys he can make.

I mean, I don't mind paying for a straight campaign, and if he wants to do "near 100%" negative ads, that's his perogative, I guess.

But at some point, isn't there a line? I understand the "n***er" robocalls aren't being paid for by McCain, but what if he did want to pay for something like that?

(Oh, speaking of which, anyone see Campbell Brown's piece on CNN about how the campaigns should give all their money to food banks instead of buying negative ads? Gee, Campbell, it would only be against federal election laws for McCain to do so, what a great idea.)

mc9cain said...

Sean and Nate,
It's hard to believe that with the quality of your website, you allow the blog to be absolutely intolerable to any adult conversation. Do you guys not have a Delete Key for the spammers on this? All professional political websites have some moderation of their blogs - even if it is just as simple as deleting them after they posted (such as the Obama blog). If not that, then something like Daily Kos that allows the rest of us to act as moderaters on your behalf.

aram said...

Is PeteKent always this insane?

David said...

The response is surreal. Even racists are losing their principles. You know times are bad.

Zaz said...

@aram, he's on a particular roll today. Plus the sockpuppet adding to the confusion.

Boring Blue Maryland said...

It is obvious to everyone that Obamam won the debate - even Republicans thought so. Here is a Palin comment today:

“I’m sure that is why he’s running for president. It’s because he wants to do what he believes is in the best interest of this great nation. I believe that our ticket can do a better job for America as we reduce taxes and rein in government and allow our private sector and our families to prosper, to grow, and to keep more of what they earn and produce so that they can reinvest according to our own priorities. I think that that is best to get the economy back on track. It’s a better agenda for America. But I don’t question at all Barack Obama’s love for this great country.”
So weird they keep changing what they are saying. They are scary, but may be a good costume for Halloween - very scary.

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Vinny said...

Petekent -- if you love Palin so much, why don't you move to Alaska? Sheesh.

mutter mutter said...

Seriously, agreeing with Mc9Cain - the quality of your blog just doesn't jibe with the crazy trollish shit readers face every time they open up the comments link.

MindlessMissy said...

What's up with these PeteKent, Real Joe, jack-be-nimble characters ... ?

Why all the foaming at the mouth ... ?

I thought Americans loved for "news" to be broadcasted NOT suppressed ...

Sean Quinn had news about blatant racist remarks espoused by a couple in PA and now all of a sudden he has to take down his blog post ???

If we do NOT put a stop to this divisive thoughts being harbored by people in this modern world at this particular juncture in the election, when do we expect to be able to put racism and other "isms" behind us and move forward as a nation together ... ?

Sean, keep reporting on these divisive characters and hopefully we can all one day tolerate each other with no "labels" ...

PeteKent, Real Joe and jack-be-nimble need to get some education ...

Mom101 said...

This is just a beautiful post. Content aside (which is great) - it's an evocative portrait of the region. Thanks.

Vinny said...

...is this guy completely nuts, or what?

Wendell said...

PeterKent did you take your meds today? Your bipolar thoughts are clogging up this blog! Take the blue pill you will feel better.

jakam said...

Economic times so dire that it drives racists to vote for "the n***er".

As an Obama supporter, I'd say that if Happy and Sad had a baby, it would look like this.

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David said...

"Need proof: There are dozens of reporters and satellite trucks parked outside of Joe the Plumber’s Toledo home, but we have yet to get a look at Bill Ayers or see the media swarming over him.

Doesn't that shock or bother you? It does me!"

Ayers didn't inject himself into the campaign and is a red herring for dumbass republicans.

Did you see how uncomfortable McShame got on letterman, after he brought up Liddy?

Obama served on a committee set up by a Reaganite with lots of people on it, including Ayers.

Lets see what relationship McBush had with Keating.

That is a discussion McDumbass really doesn't want in this economy.

Lets open the record and have an honest discussion about McMoron's behavior as a pilot and POW.

That is a discussion the self-proclaimed hero definitely doesn't want.

Obama serving on a committee with someone with a bad past, yet is now considered a solid citizen? The poll numbers since McOldBalls started pushing this attack shows exactly how relevant it is.

The tax evading, wife beating, psuedo-plumber injecting himself into this mess. He is getting what he deserves.

The only thing shocking is that you haven't forgotten to breathe.

Clarissa said...

Didn't say they were equivalent just that once something gets stuck in the media echo chamber it can't get out. Joe the Plumber is the new Natalie Halloway.

And PeteKent-

Why do you hate Ronald Reagan? You do know that it was Ronald Reagans best friend Annenberg who bankrolled domestic terrorist Bill Ayers to the tune of 50million dollars in order to fund his 'radical education agenda' to create closer community ties between institutions such as universities and public schools. This whole thing must trace back to Annenberg being Reagans ambassador to Britain. Man, lock up that commie GOPper.

eponymous said...

Woah, looks like what you've got yourself here is a troll infestation.


...yup, yup, we're probably going to have to call the exterminator. Anybody got a comment moderation system on hand?

Darío said...

You´re not a provocative. You have your ideology.
The other stupid is provocative.

David said...

"There are two PeteKent.
One is honest, the other is a moron.
Welcome, true Pete."

They are both morons.

newsfromOH said...

Nate,

It appears that you have omitted a HUGE source from your analysis. I imagine it would receive your highest weighting, even though it is, technically speaking, a sample of 1:

"Palin also attributed polling numbers to God. "We even saw today, thank the Lord," she said, looking upwards and raising her fist, "We saw some movement."

KIC said...

Wow. The loonies are out tonight. Interesting blog entry, SQ. VEeery interesting.

assmole said...

1.Why would the "Obama" in the robocall describe himself as a nigger - can't be a very convincing impersonation and I'm guessing Shakespeare didn't write the script.

2. I disagree that the 'primary wasn't competitive'- it tightened to about 4 points from double digits at one stage then Obama goofed with his 'guns/cling/religion' comment and remember the Rev Wright episode was still playing out.

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David said...

"You are attacking him b/c you did not like Obama's answer. Better to castigate the candidate than the citizen."

I have no problem with Obama's response.

Who kept bringing up this idiot in the debate? Oh yeah, John "ZERO??!!!???" McCain.

www.democratz.org said...

To the people who don't like socialism. You better not call your police department, nor your fire department. You better not go to your public library. The government runs those. You don't pay for those services. A police officer appears a government employee.


As for Joe the Plumber. It turns out he never appeared an independent but a member and a prop for the Republiklan party. He does not have a plumber's license and he has not paid his taxes. He looks like a typical cheating, corrupt member of the Republiklan party. Many of these people don't do capitalism very well. I call their version Kaputalism where the Republiklan party makes the dreams of the middle class go Kaput.




We want your opinion. Go to http://www.twiigs.com/poll/Politics/17960


You can watch Countdown with Keith Olbermann at http://liberal.democratz.org

Tim said...

Nate, have you considered that the trolls are trying to ruin your readership? These threads are really getting swamped with garbage.

cargocult said...

Is anyone concerned with the joint petekent/petekent assault on reality?

assmole said...

tim: you just filled the thread with more nonsense by addressing your comment Nate instead of Sean, the actual writer of the post. Fool.

newsfromOH said...

cargocult,

ever read Christopher Moore?

www.democratz.org said...

Tim, I call them White Trash conservatives.

prairiecomm said...

good grief, nothing but trolls to foul the pond

too bad joetheplumber isn't a licensed plumber, doesn't make 250k, isn't registered to vote, and has been disavowed by McCain. Thrown under the bus, and poss connection to keating 5 as well ... in short, a fake.

i'm outta here, over to the moderated forum where trolls aren't allowed!

Paul said...

For all the idiots screaming about socialism let's take a look at some of our socialized institutions:

* public libraries
* police departments
* fire departments
* the MILITARY

I mean, hell, I always knew you didn't care for books much, but why do you hate cops, firefighters, and our troops?

David said...

"Is anyone concerned with the joint petekent/petekent assault on reality?"

Nah, two morons living in an extreme right wing fantasy land is no better or worse than just 1.

2much2lose said...

Y'know I like McCain but his dirty campaign is making him out to be a distrustful turd. Too bad.

Anyway, the more he does this the more it's great news for Obama.

OBAMA 08! All the way.

2much2lose said...

David, he's better known as more like PeteCant, or PeteC%nt.

Vinny said...

Palin I? United States of Hussein? lmfao! This guy is comedic gold!

Real Joe said...



The Denver Post endorses Barack Obama for president

David said...

"For all the idiots screaming about socialism let's take a look at some of our socialized institutions:"

Don't forget water, waste treatment, roads, weather reports, parks, etc.

Funny how the right only supports welfare for corporations, and thinks the poor should burn in hell.

It is a lot like the militant anti-abortion retards. They don't support anything that will help his new parents, or help them avoid becoming parents in the first place.

The hypocrisy and idiocy of the right truly has no upper-bound.

Real Joe said...

The Denver Post, which had backed George W. Bush in 2004 and is owned by Republican-leaning William Dean Singleton

David said...

"Joe is not the issue.

Leave him alone."

Too bad dumbass McCain didn't know that.

John said...

The racist piece of shit Matt Drudge has a picture of Colin Powell with Kanye West on his homepage, which he is using to diminish Powell because he may be endorsing Obama.

Sara A. said...

...Bradley who?

I am probably a bad person for finding that anecdote hilarious. O my people!

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David said...

Real Joe,

What do you think that all of these intelligent republicans that are appalled at McCain will do after the election?

Republican Civil War, or will they just break away into a new conservative centrist party?

David said...

"The racist piece of shit Matt Drudge has a picture of Colin Powell with Kanye West on his homepage, which he is using to diminish Powell because he may be endorsing Obama."

Wow, those two have so much in common.

It is a shame Drudge can't see beyond color.

assmole said...

fake petekent: which states will Obama cling on to in the McCAin landslide? Any?

Darío said...

Remember that the results in Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia primaries are more higher for Obama than the polls.
The polls underestimated the AA vote.

assmole said...

dario: 'more higher'?! back to evening classes for you.

Darío said...

Sorry, sorry higher.

Paul said...

I love all this support for Socialism here. You are all so much more honest than Obama.

I *hope* Obama has been lying - so far he's not been nearly left enough for me.

With any luck he'll drop the nonsense and gut private health care once he's in office. My health should not be a commodity.

Mustang| said...

Welp these comment threads have become completely useless.

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Darío said...

And Alabama, Mississippi, Utah and Idaho are middle-ages states, no?

Darío said...

Republicans are honest,


of course, rememeber Ohio 2004.

euklid said...

YAY!! The underwear model for president!!

justin32099 said...

This is so depressing. I've enjoyed the discussions here, but petekent, you've won. Seriously, it's clear your goal was obviously to drive everyone away, and you've succeeded. Congratulations.

PorDem said...

http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=18510


Is that article being serious? It reads like a fake, made up article.

dkan71 said...

I laughed my ass off at the "we're voting for the n***er" anecdote. Is there something wrong with me that that's the funniest thing I've heard all day.

For some reason it makes me extremely giddy that "racism is officially a luxury" in the US and A.

I think we have to give credit where credit is due and acknowledge W for proverbially chopping our right hand off so the pains in our necks didn't hurt so bad in comparison.

full disclosure: I'm black, have been my whole life, female and a naturalized US citizen, having been born on the gorgeous island nation of Jamaica.

TrueBlueDem said...

I think that Sean's sub-story about the canvasser while interesting and sad really has no place in this debate or on this fine website (unless Sean was there when it happened).

PeteKent/PeterKent/petekent et all is obviously a SPAMMER.

It is true that the "Joe the Plumber story" was a plant (Joe was already making the rounds on the conservative radio talk circuit prior to the debate), by the McCain campaign and/or the RNC. Wow what a surprise!

Keep up the great work - and dont let the Pete Kent's of the world get ya down. Darwin will prevail in his case. And Barack Obama is taking a much worse hatchet job on him - so suck it up, keep posting, and don't read his rants - treat them like spam - right into the garbage!

assmole said...

pete: you weren't paying attention to last night's dinner - Obama's full name is Hussein Bin Laden Pol 'Smoking' Pot Jong-Stalin III or 'Steve' to his friends.

Johnkel24 said...

Has anyone noticed the big picture here?
The news is discussing that Colin Powell may endorse Obama. Three of the most influential newspapers in America, including one which has never endorsed a Democrate, have endorsed Obama. We're talking about traditional red states like Virginia, North Caroline, Georgia, and North Dakota being in play. The on-line betting sites are overwhelming going for an Obama win. He's led the race in the majority of polling since June.
All the signs are there. All the elements are slowly aligning. Obama is moving towards victory.

Clarissa said...

Actually it appears that Joe the plumber needs an accountant because he doesn't make that much, nor would a partner in a company with only two workers for plumbing. He doesn't understand his own finances, the econ of the plumbing business let alone how the tax proposals would actually effect him (all independent analysts looking at it are unaninamous: Obama's proposals would be much BETTER for someone in Joes supposed situation than McCains).

Someone I know does taxes and as far as she can tell the only people who own small business partnerships in our area (one of the five richest counties in America btw) that make profits of 250,000 or more are LAWYERS. Taxcuts for lawyers- hooray.

Maybe we should set up a charity to get Joe an accountant?

assmole said...

trueblue- has that been proved or are you just trying to make a 'fact' out of conjecture.

Paul said...

Darwin will prevail

Indeed. The right-wing is watching its bigots die off and this country progresses substantially leftward every generation.

It's only a matter of time.

Mike said...

Something has to be done about the trolls on this site. Seriously. They are completely ruining any real conversation here.

I've come to this site since nearly the beginning, but I'm finding myself more and more likely to just look at the posts and skip the comments.

ialex said...

PeteKent is a PUMA. It's funny how he rails on about socialism when his candidate was for MANDATORY universal health care.

Silly bigots.

David Brown said...

Guess it is really desperation time for the Repubs... first robo-call smears, now they are paying some firm to post complete nonsense on blogs.

David said...

"Joe the Plumber captured the popular imagination..."

I would like to introduce you to something most of us call reality.

Where Joe the Plumber is a bad joke and will be forgotten by Monday.

David Brown said...

Joe the Plumber... yet another poorly thought out McCain stunt. Remember when Sarah Palin was going to capture those Hillary supporters? How has that worked out John?

Paul said...

Remember when Sarah Palin was going to capture those Hillary supporters? How has that worked out John?

Probably worked out a lot better before he derided women's "health" (his quotes, not mine) on national tv.

k said...

Yeah guys this is just getting too hard, to read. I emailed the 538 for the second time, and pointed them to this thread to see that this is just getting difficult, and probably causing people not to bother commenting. And ignore or trash button, if they can get someone to do moderation of deleting troll comments and banning blogger ids, it would be nice.

dkan71 said...

Wow. The troll situation here is out of control. I think this thread just needs to be torched 'cuz it is truly FUBAR.

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PeteKant said...

You heretics can try and repress our speech all you want. It will do nothing to stop Lady Palin from retaking our republic from the sodomite intellectual elite devilspawn.

KIC said...

Speaking of Palin, anyone see Peggy Noonan's column today?

Referring to Palin:

But it's unclear whether she is Bushian or Reaganite. She doesn't think aloud. She just . . . says things.

Besides being spot on, makes me think of a lot of the commenters on here tonight.

PA John said...

Note to all the PeteKents:

No one gives a flying crap about Joe the Plumber. Everyone wishes he would just go away. He only appeals to same wingnuts that think Sarah Palin is wonderful, like you.

stop_the_stutter said...

Yet another in a growing line of Nate/Sean smear threads. Their lefties were always showing...but now it's starting to get a bit on the shrill side.

The guys who run this site are quickly losing their credibility.

No objective commentary about Mr. Wurzelbacher.

No objective commentary about ACORN.

Ridiculous.

assmole said...

stutter: are you suggesting Sean Quinn, renowned election knight, is making stuff up? Evidence, please!

assmole said...

hey fake petekent - give it a rest for a bit, huh?

PA John said...

There must have been a sale on PeterKent sock puppets today.

chgoblue said...

Between the multiple personalities of PeteKent/PeteKant and the unintelligible rantings of Jack the dumbass..I actually miss "He".

Keystone Reason said...

So many trolls here we must be under the Bridge to Nowhere! :-)

Sean, as a politically active western Pennsylvania business leader and former journalist, gratuitous anecdote. You do a disservice to the majority of hardworking, caring folks (D or R) who represent the majority of political activity in this neck of the words.

Hate to say that, because the site is great and generally, the field reporting is just a tremendous addition.

John Murtha's district lies far east of Pittsburgh and his comments that Western Pennsylvania voters are racist do not represent what I have seen. There are kooks everywhere (even on fivethirtyeight!). That anecdote added nothing to your reporting if you selected just to prove Murtha's point.

Campaigns may be fought in the air, but they are won on the ground. This is is the real story, and this geography will be no different than so many others that will wind up in Obama's column.

Meanwhile, the Chicago Tribune (which has never endorsed a Dem) endorsed Obama today. The geography is changing everywhere, even in the media executive suites, which has always been Republican bastions.

Clarissa said...

Objective commentary on ACORN- its not their fault that the registrations they were required to submit included some rush jobs among their workers who wanted to pad their #'s to pad their pay. They can't throw them out after the law caught some R dirty tricks of getting voters in D areas to register than throwing out the registrations. Everything must be turned in even if it is someone padding for pay or a drunken frat boys practical joke.

And its not their fault that after they painstakingly divided them into three piles "looks good", "important ommissions", "Mickey Mouse/likely fraud" the state board of elections declined to follow up on them and instead handed it over to the R's to say that they were intentionally perpetrating fraud.

And by the way, I don't trust the Justice department one bit on this issue after R politicians leaned on District attorneys to prosecute voter fraud, a number *Republican* district attorneys looked at it and saw nothing to prosecute and low and behold these people were fired because they didn't do it. The Bush administration has made it perfectly clear that they don't view justice to be a non-partisan institution and to keep your job you must pursue the most frivolous complaints of R's.

As for honesty about Wurzelbacher - if he was registered by ACORN the R's would not let him vote because some typist read in his handwriting the 'u' to be an 'o' and he's registered as 'Worzelbacher'. If I was the election officer in his precinct I would damn well make sure he had to go through the provisional proceedure because of that after all the stink the R's are making about 200,000 registrations (very few of which were ACORN) with minor discrepencies in spelling, middle initial, ste # ect.

assmole said...

Sean: flicking thru the photos -who was that fox introducing Michelle?

DCM in FL said...

SEAN said:

Canvasser hears him yell back, "We're votin' for the n***er!"

Woman turns back to canvasser, and says brightly and matter of factly: "We're voting for the n***er."
---------------------------------------

whatever works for them - makes a term of endearment, dont'cha think ?

here is FL many of our crackers are not calling Obama a 'negroe' or the other 'n' word...

now the good ol' boys & the bikers in town for Biketober Fest are rationalizing voting for Obama by saying "he is half white" - so many are getting cool with that & saying it out loud...

Obama should come to Daytona this weekend & ride a hawg down Main Street to the roar of thousands of bikers

DCM in FL said...

better yet, have both Barack & Hillary don leather gear & straddle harleys...

they are headed to central FL anyway for a rally on Monday - just got this email from the Obama GOTV campaign
----------------------------------------------
This Monday, October 20th, please join Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton in Orlando, where Barack will talk about his vision for creating the kind of change we need.

Early Vote for Change Rally
with Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton

Amway Arena North Staircase
600 W. Amelia Street
Orlando, FL 32801

Monday, October 20th
Gates Open: 3:00 p.m.
Program Begins: 6:00 p.m.
-------------------------------------------

FL is going BLUE !!!

Dan said...

I think Sean got the # of new people registered wrong, i think he means D voter advantage. it looks like there were 8.37M potiental voters in 2004, now there are 8.66M.
http://www.dos.state.pa.us/elections/cwp/view.asp?A=1310&Q=446974

however you should take note....

PENNSYLVANIA
Registered Democrats: 4,424,022
Registered Republicans: 3,229,806
Democratic Advantage: 1,194,216

In Nov. 2004, the Democratic advantage was 580,208.

assmole said...

clarissa: In all of America, there must be some actual people called Mickey Mouse - it would be a tragedy if they weren't allowed to vote, wouldn't you agree? Even if they are down as 'Mowse' on the register!

Goreshade said...

Can you get a Pulitzer for writing a blog? I think your work on the road is extrordinary You should compile everything and publish it after the election.

PorridgeGun said...

Pete, go back to rubbing yourself to kiddie porn, you delusional right-wing fuckwit.


BTW, Joey the Shark pwned Joe the non-plumber on Leno last night.

http://onegoodmovemedia.org/movies/0810/jl101708joebiden.mov

DCM in FL said...

Pete the Parrot

begs the question, but...

you do realize that it is difficult to tell which one of you is the sock puppet...

neither of you has a solid grasp on reality

is he your twin from yet another warped parallel universe where right is left and up is down ???

[no need to answer]

sniperct said...

I normally am able to read through the comments and make it through the trolls, but this particular thread is so infested with them (and most of them are just doing the online equivilent of plugging their ears and screaming at the top of their lungs), that I'm probably missing out on some good commentary.

But it's just really, really bad today, and the people sockpuppeting are doing a huge disservice to this site and it's readers. So this is a plea to just stop, so we can have some good conversation and discussion. You're just drowning out the rational discussion.

At least with the regular trolls they don't spam the damn board.

PorridgeGun said...

Bay Buchanan just said Mooseburger is one of the smartest VP choices in American history. Anderson Cooper couldn't believe his ears, and David Gergen and Jamal Simmons nearly burst out laughing. I kid you not.

assmole said...

dcm: one of the petekent's is ironic.

DCM in FL said...

assmole

and the other is moronic, no ???

ps -liked your 'ironic' post on the poor mowse's having their votes suppressed....

Tony Gryniewicz said...

Republicans lie in the bed you made for 30 years you have done nothing and your kids, ie young people, are giving you the big f-u. We arnt afraid of change, so cling to your bibles and die off. I love this election because even if you win you lose, because the racism and smear attacks have forever tainted your party. Have a backbone and morals. Jesus was a socialist, he would look at us and be mad, to him, in my opinion, he would look at the least of us, the poor, and see that most who use his name do nothing for them. Read your Bible, and then make your decision on who to vote for. McCain hasnt ever voted to raise the minimum wage and has done nothing for any republican. Im from Arizona and I find it odd that there has been no poll in a month, he might have to spend money here to hold it. F him, F republicans, F facists. To quote a good man, I didnt leave the republican party, the republican party left me. Oh and McCain called a convicted criminal, and a terrorist a good man, that was G Gordon Liddy. Oh but he was republican so its alright.

PorridgeGun said...

She also said it's Mooseburger's job for her favorability ratings to take a dive.

uberfrosh said...

assmole- I like your vocab there with "renowned election knight". "Election knights" could be a good name (in the future) for the teams of lawyers trying to keep the voting legal and free of suppression.

In other news, I'm pretty sure neither petekent is the real one. Short posts. Lots of cursing. No cut and paste. And no abortion talk or threats to leave yet. If I had to guess I'd say both tonight are the the same blogger/sockpuppet going to town.

Rain33 said...

Seriously, the comments here are down the toilet today. I enjoy this site because it is more intellectual (dirty word?) than a lot of the other rubbish around the place. Some moderation wouldn't go astray, you have a reputation to protect, this is nonsense.

Clarissa said...

assmole- If they registered as Mickey Mouse and the social security/driver licence info checked out at the registrar I would feel sorry for their poor souls, wonder why they haven't changed their name in court yet then do what I do for every voter:

Ask for name, ID and for them to say their address. If it was spelled wrong I'd have to ask for Birthday probably. If they didn't have a photo ID i'd probably be much more hesitant about allowing them to use the VA affirmation of identity form (literally- if you don't have ID in Virginia but who you say you are exists in our registration books the chief election officer witnesses you filling out a form saying I am "XXXX" and am telling the truth under punishment or perjury- then we let them vote on the machines like any one else where we can't track it - never had a partisan poll watcher so never had a challenge issued to the two or three people who don't have their drivers liscences/security clearance ID's/pictureless voter registration card/picture credit card ect; this might change this year).

Cecil said...

Apparently it's Friday night & a lot of these comments are under the influence of mucho alcohol.

KIC said...

Well, apparently, considering what McCain said on Letterman last night, and what some pundits have said tonight on Larry King about G. Gordon Liddy having "paid his debt" and thereby it being ok to have a relationship with, if Ayers, who did turn himself in, and whose case was dropped only because of law enforcement screwing up, it would be ok. Considering Liddy has a way closer connection to McCain I guess, as long as you got nailed and came out the other side, you are somehow absolved. The there is Keating who just completely robbed the public, but because JOHN said "I screwed up" just like he said to Letterman last night, it's ok too. You see, whatever you do, if you just say "oh, I screwed up" it's ok. If they were smart, they'd drop it because more and more, others are bringing up McCain's far more unsavory relationships that were far closer in nature than the tenative Obama/Ayers one.

Steve said...

"We're votin' for the n***er!"

Is this a dream? Are we all still on earth?

Racists for Obama? I think my head is going to explode. LANDSLIDE people. A f**ked up landslide. Wow.

One for the history books. This blog just crossed over into brilliance. 538, meet BSNYC.

KIC said...

Steve said:


Racists for Obama? I think my head is going to explode.

-------

Funny, just today I thought, man, I hope its a landslide. A portion of the country's heads will totally explode. Only I was thinking of all the neocons.

PA John said...

The Chicago Tribune endorsement of Obama is the biggest bitch slap to the McCain campaign so far (until Colin Powell speaks on MTP). 40+ presidential elections and they NEVER endorsed the Democrat until now. Wow.

assmole said...

steve: I think this is what happens when in an economic crisis one candidate has no economic plan. And it's why the race in my view is unlikely to tighten.

Darío said...

A lot of alcohol.

Alex Epstein said...

Should we find it remarkable that Republicans are latching onto Joe the Plumber the way they latched onto Sarah Palin? The party that has given up on reality now lives entirely in fantasy. No wonder they get upset when the media points out that Joe the Plumber would pay less taxes under Obama than under McCain. It busts up their narrative. Don't confuse them with the facts, please.

There are two kinds of Republicans. Millionaires and suckers. Joe is the second kind, alas for him.

Darío said...

Go the alcohol!.

ogre said...

Real PeteKent (I think):
"What's wrong with a working class guy being a plumber, building a business, employing people and making $250K/yr?

Anyone who had respect for real work that dirties the fingernails would never make these comments."

That last is a cheap bit of rhetoric. But for the record, I've done plumbing work, and other filthy work. It's not what Joe claimed to be that bugs me. It's the deception he presented about his being a fine, upstanding, at least undecided voter who was trying to buy a business, blah, blah, blah

The guy is a low grade dirtbag.

Now, to the points:
It's not about building up a bidness and employing people and... it's about the tax question. Would Sam (Joe) pay more in taxes? Well... no. He only really makes $40k, so aside from his unpaid taxes and any alimony he gets garnished for, he'll do a hell of a lot better under Obama's tax scheme (there is a calculator out there; feel free to use it).

Oh, but wait, he has this fantasy that he's buying a business (boss/owner says something about six years ago, in conversation, and Sam lacks the credentials to be allowed to run it, legally, but we'll skip that) and imagines he's going to be making $250k. Or $280k. If that's what the business earns, then he's still not anywhere near the break point to do as well under the McCain tax scheme. Not until he's bringing home OVER $250k NET does he get to the point where it might be break even. That's a business doing something like $2-$3 MILLION a year.

If someone whose assets are large enough that he owns a multi-million dollar business (undoubtedly a corporation, with all the tax--and other--advantages) and is bringing home $250k+ a year can't afford to start paying a little more in taxes to pay for the CONSERVATIVE-created deficit and debt... then hell, who can? The schlub making min wage?

Simple economics; SOMEONE pays the bills. Under the conservatism of the last eight years--which McCain wants to continue--the bills are all on the credit card, on the Bank of China. To be paid, with interest, by our kids and grandkids.

There's conservatism for you. Borros and squander, and the wealthy don't pay for it.

Get a clue--that's not a program that people are going to vote for.

Ted Striker said...

I would really like to know if there are any of the 10000 simulations that have Obama winning VA and losing the election overall. I imagine that has to be a microscopic number if there are any at all. Personally I think if Obama wins VA he's in no matter what... based on the implications of what winning VA means regarding many of the other eastern states.

kellysirkus said...

I have been saying for months "Racism and sexism and teen pregnancy would be a luxury at this point. We as a Nation should be so fortunate to be in a position to deal with these issues. Some day"
That day is not today.

bryen193 said...

McCain truly is scum. Now he's putting his fellow republican Senator and McCain Maine campaign co-chair Susan Collins at risk in her re-election bid by doing slimy Obama/Ayers robo-calls in the no-nonsense moderate state of Maine. Collins is calling for the robo calls to stop immediately, and the McCain campaign is giving her the finger.

Seretse said...

dcm will you be voting early?
Have you been contacted to vote?

Paul said...

Go the alcohol!.

Well said.

Ed M. said...

Not until he's bringing home OVER $250k NET does he get to the point where it might be break even. That's a business doing something like $2-$3 MILLION a year.

I just realized today that Republicans don't understand marginal tax rates.

I watched one of the Cornerites do a blogginghead, and she's blathering on about how you would need to put some sort of cap on your revenue to avoid breaking a $250,000 barrier.

She did *not* understand that you aren't paying 5% more on the above $250,000 profits, she thought it would make total sense to just take a vacation if you hit that mark. This isn't citizen conservative, this is their flagship intelligensia. These people couldn't find their ass with both hands much less run a business.

suaine said...

I actually thought the anecdote was an interesting narrative choice and it visualizes exactly how bad things have gotten on the ground. As McCain put it in the last debate "people are hurting" and they are not going to take this anymore. Even if that means voting for a Black Man. (as sad as it is that that is still an issue)

Besides, moderate socialism is the future. Pure capitalism has no place in a humane society. Obama's policies are what people want right now, and they might be exactly what the world needs to jump start the third millenium.

As for Joe vs. Ayers - I believe that the Ayers thing has been thoroughly reported back when Hillary brought it up in the primaries. If you can't remember it from back then, then maybe something is *physically* wrong with your brain and you should seek medical attention. The split personality and delusions, too, seem to imply that your mental health isn't what it used to be and aren't you lucky that Obama is going to get you healthcare?

zoe kentucky said...

I attended an Obama GOTV meeting in Pittsburgh on Wednesday night-- there were over 400 volunteers. This wasn't for all of Pittsburgh either, it only represented about 10 neighborhoods in the east end of the city. (There are around 100 named neighborhoods in the whole city.) In fact I live on the border of 2 neighborhoods and could have attended another.

So while I am a little worried about the rest of Western PA, I really like Obama's odds in Allegheny County (Pittsburgh proper + suburbs). Keep in mind that Allegheny County + Philly = Blue State. Like many other states, the diverse, populous areas of the state are blue, the sparsely populated homogenous areas are red.

assmole said...

bryen, I think it's going way too far to call McCain himself 'scum' - his campaign team and the underlings and the 527s, maybe. It's clear there are too many out-of-control Republican elements for him to handle- and that's a good additional reason not to vote for him- but personally attacking McCain is bad.

dsunbury said...

The Washington Post and LA Times have endorsed Obama. The WP particularly has writes:

"Mr. Obama is a man of supple intelligence, with a nuanced grasp of complex issues and evident skill at conciliation and consensus-building. At home, we believe, he would respond to the economic crisis with a healthy respect for markets tempered by justified dismay over rising inequality and an understanding of the need for focused regulation. Abroad, the best evidence suggests that he would seek to maintain U.S. leadership and engagement, continue the fight against terrorists, and wage vigorous diplomacy on behalf of U.S. values and interests. Mr. Obama has the potential to become a great president. Given the enormous problems he would confront from his first day in office, and the damage wrought over the past eight years, we would settle for very good."

Republicans will lose, no doubt. And so they should.

Paul said...

revenue != income

Mason said...

Real and Fake Petes:
STFU, tools!

lilnev said...

Sean:

Can you please ban the sock-puppet who is pretending to be Pete Kent. Better yet, permanently block his IP address. I realize the comments policy ("Don't be an asshole") is deliberately vague, but polluting someone's good name is clearly way over the line.


Sock puppet: Quit being a pathetic asshole.

k said...

I have to say, that while there are racists in PA, at least a few are voting for the black guy. Seriously, there are racists, people who are prejudiced the world all over. Here in Quebec, last year we went through a somewhat humiliating debate about "reasonable accommodation" Basically making allowances for foreigners(supposedly). This debate was done through a government sponsored commission that traveled throughout the province. The discussion was about the integration( or lack thereof) of immigrants into the french culture here. Some of the Quebecois are, well not racist to the point of hatred, but they showed a lot of ignorance during that time. And those who expressed such ignorant opinions were unapologetic of their views. A lot of controversy.

So to the people who were saying that this post was a misrepresentations of what goes on in Western PA, don't worry, us outsiders wouldn't perceive PA any worse, there are racists all over, not just in the US.(hell in Austria, the extreme right wing party got 1/3 of the vote!).

And that supposedly third party robocall imitating Obama, are sure it wasn't a bad prank? I can't imagine any GOP, or hell even third party commissioning such a thing. It doesn't make any sense.

Ed M. said...

And that supposedly third party robocall imitating Obama, are sure it wasn't a bad prank? I can't imagine any GOP, or hell even third party commissioning such a thing. It doesn't make any sense.

Has any of this made any sense so far?

Yvonne said...

The Trolls will go away as soon as nobody at all engages them. If everybody else has an intelligent discussion, their brains explode anyway and they will go away. (Probably curling up in a fetal position, sucking their thumbs)

swiller said...

"We're voting for the n***er"

We're voting for the "nicer" ?

Even bubba can't stand it anymore - trumping "traditional" values.

billsled said...

How the deuce is Washington County a bellwether? It was a Mondale county, for God's sake! Really, what it is is an old blue collar county that is trending Republican nowadays. Of course, the crap economy will likely stall that trend for a while.

assmole said...

swiller: I think Sean was quoting the Mayor of Philadelphia's campaign slogan.

Yvonne said...

Ok, is it just me, or did all the PeteKent posts vanish? There are less comments than before

Clarissa said...

Someone is deleting comments and it must be a moderater because the quantity doesn't change if it is a self deletion- yeah, we have a moderator.

And in a slighly more controversial statement why Obama's tangental guilt by association connection with Ayers doesn't bother me one bit. Bill Ayers was a sixties radical who blew up un-occupied buidlings. Joshka Fischer was a sixties radical who blew up un-occupied buildings. Bill Ayers turned himself in and was let off because the seventies justice department was using illegal methods to spy on left wing radicals. Joshka Fischer never turned himself in and kind of merged into civilian politics becoming Green Party leader in Germany. Bill Ayers led a non-partisan life as an education professor in Chicago and associated with politicians rehabilitating his image enough to become Chicago citizen of the year in 1997. His qualifications might actually make him a decent Education secretary. Joshka Fischer rehabilitated his image enough that when the Green Party became the junior partner in coalition with the SDP (Social Democrats) he became the Foreign Minister of the cabinet. And he held that post and ran that department well throughout most of the early oughts *INCLUDING DURING 9/11* and there was never a major fuss made about the fact that he was once a sixties radical who blew up unoccuppied buildings. In fact he was much more centrists than the rest of his party (or large parts of the SDP which broke off to join the Left Party which is Western leftists and the rump of the Eastern Communists, leaving space for the CDU/CSU to take over in a grand coalition with whats left of the SDP - but thats another story altogether). And I think if I actually like Joshka Fischer it is laughable to try to target me with vague inuendo's trying to make Bill Ayers and anchor on a totally seperate man whose only crime was wanting Chicago schools to be better and working with people who shared that vision.

Probably a bit off the wall (and oh yeah- those who say that Germany is evidence that the entire world is drifing right fail to take into account that the only reason the SDP isn't the lead party right now is because the leaders have made a strict rule not to join with Ex-Communists and so went right in the grand-coalition letting the CDU be the senior partner.)

Okay, that was a tangent.

transplantOH said...

Damned tired of Peterkent. Hey, why doesn't he start his OWN WEBSITE. I want to hear what Nate and Sean have to say.

moondancer said...

I've been canvassing in Pa since Feb. and have yet to have someone be as blunt as the above "were voting for the ..."

But I did have a 83 year old man confront me at a canvass in a Walmart lot and ask me what I'm selling. I started with registration to vote, but before I could get to the Obama part he cut me off. "That McCain has no common sense, I'm voting for the colored fellah." And he walked off.

Correa-Jones Happenings said...

I am still torn to vote early or on the day, I figure I can vote as soon as I can't take it anymore. I have finally decided to get off of my ass and stop talking to my family-4 voting Obama and 1 so far that is an evangelical including my sitter who is voting McCain ugh, and will volunteer. I have 3 kiddies including a newborn who doesn't sleep thru the night yet, but I won't feel like I did anything unless I DO SOMETHING. Somehow this time, my first time vote does not seem like it will be enough =)....dcm I hope to be able to share a memory on Monday if I can make it to the rally, i hear people get to the site at 7 am and I will be one that gets there as doors open =(

Marx was right said...

Man, I'd love to see Turley as AG or S.Ct. justice.

Correa-Jones Happenings said...

Hello? 2 full minutes and no one else has posted? Is this thing on?
~Yari

eve said...

This is the worst comment thread. Really makes me sad because comments have been such a draw.

When I first started reading 538 I didn't even comment because the discussions were all about statistics and far beyond what I knew. I loved reading them and learned a lot.

I appreciate that the site is about more than statistics and that the comments section reflects that now. There have been lots of great posts in comments over the months.

But tonight is a low point. Good comments lost in all the trolling, puppetry gibberish.

So for all you who like to destroy things -- it's working.



dkan71 -- thanks for the pov -- you showed me the absurdity of that anecdote and made me laugh

Pinyan said...

Is there a list of where you're going anywhere? If not, are you stopping in New Jersey in the near future? After all, MSNBC still thinks this is just a "lean" state!

Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...

Just got back from the Olive Stone movie "W". Hope every American goes to see the movie before they head out to the polls on 11/4

Fwiffo said...

Check out these McCain supporters. Stay classy folks.

-- Interview Sarah Palin --

Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...

That's Olivers wife Olive.

sfergus483 said...

Turley interestingly was one of the major voices for Clinton's impeachment a decade ago.

He does seem to be an honorable legal mind.

Patrick Fitzgerald also is likely to be considered for either situation.

eve said...

wow -- thanks moderator -- or big wizard in the sky that deletes garbage!

NC_voter said...

Fucking finally the moderator took care of petekent and his bullshit.

Marx was right said...

Thanks, I didn't know about Turley and the Clinton impeachment. He has some great things to say about how the Fourth Amendment has been pretty much shredded.

Yvonne said...

yay, troll implosion

Davy said...

I hiked the Appalachian Trail through Pennsylvania in '99. Every few miles I had to get off the trail and resupply in towns. Invariably, when you've been out of contact with civilization for days at a time, you long for human interaction. I would stop by local pubs and hostels or other lodging. I was shocked by the blatant racism I experienced in those towns (and I grew up in Alabama). John Murtha is correct. While racism is attributed to the south, it's unadulterated in PA. I don't know what effect that will have for Obama, but I think the story told to Sean is accurate. They'll vote (reluctantly) for the best person regardless of race.

assmole said...

Now the only problem with the thread is all the comments talking about trolls.

Yvonne said...

assmole, that's why you don't engage with trolls. Other than that, everyone who communicated with a troll can go back and delete their post.

Davy said...

What'd I miss? Petecan't got served how?

Yvonne said...

Davy, all of the troll posts vanished. The big moderator in the sky took them down.

DCM in FL said...

SERETSE

yes, I will be voting early, but probably in the second week to avoid the anticipated long lines next week

I have a friend who is a poll worker at the only local early voting location - so I will get a heads up on when it is good to go to the NSB library & vote for Obama & Kosmas & No on 2

I have been called by the DEMs, but I am also a regular in the local DEM HQ

also helping assist the elderly widows in my neighborhood to get their absentee ballots completed correctly & mailed in early to bank those Obama votes

plus I get them to put up OBAMA signs - got my neighborhood plastered 6:1 Obama vs McCain signs when everyone told me that my neighborhood was GOPer territory

NOT THIS TIME - FL is going BLUE, baby !!!

I will be refusing to vote on the fraudulent electronic scanning machines though - we can insist on voting with paper ballots instead

Volusia County, FL is the home of the notorious electronic 'fraud' in 2000 where one machine alone reported a -16,000 votes 'for' Gore which started the whole recount mess in the first place - and no paper ballot backups for auditing...

we are trying to oust our county supervisor of elections this year too - ms ann mcfall will fall !

assmole said...

yvonne: I detest commenters who say nothing with regard to Sean's post or other election issues and just talk about how 'x' or'y' is a troll- the worst insult they can come up with, apparently. That's as much a waste of space as Pete Kent.

Davy said...

Dang. Woulda like to have seen the canage. But good job troll hunters. Way to defend the site.

Correa-Jones Happenings said...

My husband, who is black-cause I guess I have to identify that? well he used to drive trucks long haul and for anyone to say racism is not blatant in 2008, may need to get in a truck and drive with a black man? We still haven't decided (I am not black I am hispanic) if we "prefer" outright blatant racism, because this way we atleast know that the ignorant should be that, ignored, or if we prefer to not know about it. It can be a challenge explaining the sometimes weird looks we get to the kiddies, but so far nothing too bad. It seems the couple in Sean's post were brutally honest, and I thank them for it =). Please everyone vote, do not think because your candidate is ahead or you know 200 people that are voting for your person or 20,000 people showed up at a rally that you don't need to do anything. I would hate to see something so stupid as NY go red because everyone figured, the line is too long why bother.

DCM in FL said...

CORREA

I hope you will post a report on the Obama/Clinton rally in Orlando on Monday evening

sure would be good to attend, but I am booked to make a report to our city council that night at 7 pm so damm, I cannot make it myself !!!

I missed Obama when he was in Daytona last month at Bethune-Cookman cuz I was out in SoCal

hope to catch him somewhere in FL before the end of the campaign - he will be back I will bet on it because FL is going BLUE, baby !!!

take that to the bank

enjoy the rally - hope you get inside the Waterhouse - er Amway Center

that is the place to be on Moday evening to kick of the Early Voting in FL

Barack & Hillary - together again...

newsfromOH said...

nam vet joe,

So W's worth seeing, huh? (the movie, obviously not the person)

DCM in FL said...

CNN map is showing Obama with 277 solid EV, but they sure are trying to keep the race 'interesting'

I expect all the cable channels to start pimping the 60 Senate seat target as the 'really most important' race in this cycle to keep an intersting narrative for election night to see the late results from the west coast senate races like AK & WA

in fact, that is what CNN A/C 360 is pushing right now, lol...

DCM in FL said...

oops, I meant the AK & OR senate races - not WA

besides those NW tree-hugging blue states are all the same, no ???

all look alike from FL late on a Friday evening

STepper said...

7 days out the DNC should hit McCain on GG Liddy, quoting the unrepentant terrorist's most despicable and recent anti-American statements. And McCain's current ties with him. That will dominate the news for a couple of days and be the October surprise.

Then, just as McCain gears up to hit back with Rev. Wright (which they are planning to do anyway), it's time for the DNC to hit Sarah Palin with her AIP connections. That will eat up 2 more days.

The Obama campaign can condemn these ads, and since it doesn't coordinate with the DNC, it will be home scott-free. But McCain will be getting his chickens back to roost. Just where they belong.

The two hypocrites, I mean mavericks, need to be exposed for what they are.

PorDem said...

DCM You are right that they are sure trying to keep it interesting.

But I have to believe that a network like CNN who has so much to gain from a money standpoint with a long election night, should tell us a whole lot about where this race stands.

MATT J. H. said...

Hold on to your hats folks its gonna be a wild ride. Obama has 264 locked up with two stoppers, CO & VA. OH FL NC IN NV and MO are all gravy.

The polls will tighten. No first term democrat wins a landslide. Bill Clinton needed Perot to siphon 20 million votes from the R's and he only won by 5 points.

We don't need panicky democrats fretting about tightening polls. Team Obama knows what they are doing. All Obama needs to do is get to election day with any kind of lead and let the ground game take over.

The media will adopt a "McCain Comeback Story" because thats in their interest, and the polls WILL close. The left will get the sweats and a little off kilter as we get closer, which is good. Turnout will be enormous and Obama will win and all the fretting will make it all the more exciting and enjoyable.

We are in the midst of history, enjoy it. Every good blog and bad. Every sweat and worry. 20 and 30 years from now you will remember this election. This kind of election only comes around once in a lifetime. It was 50 years ago when John F Kennedy was the first Catholic to be President. A true Progressive.

This country has a habit of electing the right guy at exactly the right time. After the war it was Kennedy. When the country needed a good conservative kick in the ass along came Reagan. Now, with our reputation tarnished and the world needing leadership, America will provide it.

Sorry Senator McCain and the GOP. The world needs to look at our country as the "Shining light atop the hill" again. You can't provide that. Only Barack Obama can. America will do the right thing.

nelleellen said...

speaking of trolls...anyone know what happened to champion88? Just curious.

bigdayqueen said...

Got a call from McCain campaign tonight asking if I received the early ballot I requested. I said yes and we had already sent it in. Only problem is, I live in Pittsburgh....we don't have early voting....LOL

eponymous said...

ok I don't know how many of you have been keeping track of this, but I just looked over at RCP's favorable/unfavorable numbers and the average is 57.7 with a +21.6 favorable/unfavorable spread for Obama.

So maybe ridiculous robocalls and a barrage of negative ads aren't the best strategy at this point...?

DCM in FL said...

STEPPER

I want a 527 ad on the Keating 5 & S&L ties with McCain - contrasting a parallel with the current investment & banking & mortgage scandals/crashes today

would YOU trust John McCain with the keys to the nation's treasury with a history like that ?

and tie in his lobbyist cronies like Davis & Phil Graham with banking derugulation = 1 trillion dollar bailout & counting

let the GOPers stay with Joe the fake Plumber & Sarah Failin

emvision said...

Bob Grant, WABC radio in NYC, tonight revealed he had some "secret" polling source of info and, paraphrasing, said it was going to be a blood bath for the republicans. He also added, paraphrasing again, that as a consequence, the fabric of democracy would unravel blah blah, blah...

Tried calling Hannity on the radio earlier (I was driving a lot today) when I finally got through (after about 30 redials) it went something like this:

Screener: Democrat or republican?

Me: Democrat.

Screener: What's your question for Sean?

Me: I want to talk about Acorn...

Screener: What about it?

Me: I want him to help me understannd the difference between voter registration fraud and voting fraud...

Click!

Dang!

Davy said...

Great job eliminating the trolls.

But in the interest of free speech (of which I am an advocate),, how do you determine who is a provocateur and someone who has a legitimate argument? Don't get me wrong, I hate people cluttering up a good debate with "oh yeah?" comments.

An interesting question: Who judges opposing perspectives vs. those whose intentions are to disrupt the discourse? Is it the blogging community? Or 538?

Just asking.

MATT J. H. said...

envision, elaborate on the blood bath?

newsfromOH said...

Not that I'm paranoid or anything, just an Obama voter, but I mailed in my vote in Ohio early this week. I checked the Board of Elections website every day to track my ballot. Today it was received!!!!! I've also checked on my family members' ballots. All received!!! Chalk 5 up for That One/Biden.