10.20.2008

On the Road: Philadelphia Suburbs, Pennsylvania

We were in the Philly burbs this weekend, but here's a story about Montana.

About three weeks before the 2006 Tester-Burns election, MSU-Billings put out a poll that showed Jon Tester up by 13 points. This was an especially iffy poll, one in the John Zogby category. We knew internally that the race was much, much tighter, and we also knew that our small but steady lead over the summer months would evaporate the final weekend. The race would be a tossup left to the ground game.

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But when the poll came out, I began finding volunteers that much harder to convince to trade their free time for knocking and calling help in a race they erroneously felt was safe due to bad polling. Some explicitly told me, aw, Tester's gonna win, we're just figuring out where to have our Election Night watch party. As an organizer, my head nearly exploded even as I calmly smiled through it and kept at the persuasion. Jon Tester won by less than 1%, and the race wasn't called until the next day. Out of roughly 400,000 votes cast, we won by 3,562.

What we're seeing on the ground with volunteering, especially with public polls showing double digit leads in Pennsylvania, is that the "flake rate" for volunteers is higher. "Flake rate" is the term for how the percentage of people who sign up to do a canvassing or phonebanking shift, and then don't show up. It tends to happen when a candidate's supporters get complacent. And it can happen in a hurry.

Indeed, Barack Obama himself hopped on a nationwide all-staff conference call Friday to emphasize this point to the troops. Pledging to "come down hard" on anyone getting "too cocky," Obama specifically and pre-emptively called out any semblance of lack of focus. High-fiving, for example, is strictly verboten. Acknowledging everyone must be exhausted, he pointed out that he was pretty worn out too. "I've been doing this longer than you, and I'm older than all of you." The message: if I can finish this off, so can you. Do not doubt that this is a man firmly in control of his campaign.



In Northeast Philly, we met up with Janice Caswell, a dedicated grassroots activist who spends every weekend hopping over from New York City to more competitive Pennsylvania with busloads of canvassing volunteers. She was worried about the same complacency I'd seen when polls started looking too good in Montana.

"Suddenly," she said, "a lot more people are finding something else to do." Still, Janice's group of at least 25, clustered in a staging area of a Wawa food store parking lot on Cottman Ave, was by far bigger than any McCain canvassing group we've seen in six weeks and ten battleground states, although we were told about a big weekend one in Omaha we'd missed. Complacency is always relative.

Although we haven't yet observed any real ground game, the Pennsylvania Republican Party is reportedly working to tamp down Obama's margin of victory in Philadelphia, which it knows it must do to win the state. Kerry won by 412,000 votes, and if that margin can be held to 350,000, state Republicans argue, McCain can pull the upset.
Behind the scenes, the party says it is spending $300,000 on behalf of McCain in Philadelphia on everything from targeted newspaper buys -- including ads in Latino, Korean and Vietnamese publications -- to doling out ''street money'' to foot soldiers to talk up the candidate and get voters to the polls on Election Day.
The issue of street money has been a controversial one this campaign season, with local party bosses attempting to leverage the Obama campaign into compliance -- reassuring locals in newspapers that Obama will also pay the street money (that it did not pay in the primaries) -- so that the backlash would be heightened if Obama chooses to break with tradition and use his own volunteer army. The army, Caswell says, is enough from what she's seen to get the job done, if Dems looking at optimistic public polling don't get complacent in the final days.

Over in Kennett Square, Pennsylvania, we met powerfully dedicated full-time volunteer Jessie Cocks, a 40-year veteran of community organizing who'd even once organized with Cesar Chavez. The gregarious Jessie, who was as savvy about how to get people organized as anyone we've encountered on the long cross-country journey, shared the story of how her office came into existence. After finding the office space, she faced some resistance from local Democratic party board members about using funds to pay for overhead costs -- it's now a coordinated campaign office filled with several Obama paid organizers. "If you're not going to help, I'm going to do it myself anyway," she'd said. "If we're broke on November 5th and Barack Obama is elected President, we've done our job," she reported telling her local party official. "What else are we here for?"

Back on the conference call, David Plouffe followed Obama with steady words, and, because he doesn't swear often, language timed for effect. As a baseline, the campaign was in excellent shape to win all the Kerry states, Plouffe said. In many Bush 2004 states, the campaign was in very strong shape as well. The message: we just have to stay focused and do our jobs, not let up one inch and we'll win the election.

"I'll say what I said back in New Hampshire," he concluded. "Let's go win this fucking thing."

*_*

Incidentally, I've gotten a number of queries about the story told at the outset of the previous On the Road piece. We first heard the story in Ohio the night after Sarah Palin's rally in Wilmington, OH. Later, we arrived in Washington, PA, and spoke to the canvasser separately, who repeated it word for word without being aware I'd heard it the first time. Neither telling was intended for the record. In the context of John Murtha's comments about Western Pennsylvania, I decided it was newsworthy. As a condition of printing it, I kept all names off the record.

1021 comments

[ tyler curtain ] said...

Terrific reporting. Really wonderful

Rich Merritt said...

Can't wait to volunteer there next weekend with whole carloads coming from NYC. Thanks for the post.

And why does <this guy participate with CNN on election night?

Maura said...

Thank you Sean. For everything, more than you know.

Will said...

I went to the Philly suburbs last weekend from NYC to canvass. The Obama office was absolutely packed, a crowd of about two-busloads worth of people at 9-10 in the morning.

I passed the McCain office twice that day. In the morning, headed out for canvassing, they had a "Closed, back in ten minutes!" sign on the door. At 4 pm, after blockwalking all day, I passed the office again. "Closed, back in ten minutes!"

Charles Crook said...

Just voted in NW Hillsborough County, FL. This is mostly an area of large subdivisions, but not within Tampa city limits. There were about 30 people in line ( at a library ), mostly elderly, and it took a little over 30 minutes to enter the polling place which uses optical scan ballots, and had a dozen polling booths.

The ballot is in 2 separate pages, printed as you sign in. While the 2nd page "only" contains state amendments, the poll worker had to remind the worker at the printer to give me both pages.

dharmabum said...

has anyone read this new RFK Jr. article? Am I crazy for being paranoid about it?

Nate, what are your thoughts on his claims?

P. Ollig said...

Obama's ground game is a thing to behold. I participated for the very first time in a door-to-door canvassing effort on Saturday in Kalispell, Montana. The tremendous energy and enthusiasm demonstrated by the organizers, combined with their "we can win this state if we don't flake out" attitude energized all of us volunteers and got us excited to knock on doors.

Obama's Kalispell headquarters are open from 9am-9pm seven days a week. There is always someone there to answer questions, hand out information and sign up volunteers. While the windows are filled with Obama posters and flags, it's not overly so and as such isn't intimidating or confusing. They're arranged in a deliberately enthusiastic, cheerful and "clean" manner. The whole office is very inviting.

Conversely, every single time I've driven by the McCain headquarters in town it is completely dark with a big "closed" sign posted in the door. The windows are plastered with posters, many of them overlapping and crooked. It looks messy, unorganized and as if the people inside just don't care. The look of the office is as far from "inviting" as they could possibly make it.

From my observations here in Montana, it's not the Obama campaign or volunteers getting complacent. It's the McCain office that seems to have already declared the state for their candidate.

Regardless of the outcome of this election, Obama will go down in history as one of the most transformational figures in American politics...ever. And I consider myself fortunate to be able to count myself as a participant in his campaign for change!

livemild said...

thanks charles for the FL news.
i heard that absentee voting favored repubs and im nervous.

dilguy said...

Unless I'm reading it wrong, Ras has a VA poll dated 10/16, saying:

O: 54
M: 44

And, it's gone from Toss-Up to Leans Democratic

RWD said...

In past elections, absentee/early voting has favored repubs. But this is 2008, not 2004. Obama's ground game is working to get lots of people to the polls early.

Matt said...

dilguy, that VA number is correct - "Obama's lead jumps to ten in Virginia".

Antmatic said...

Great VA poll. The only thing is that the poll seems a bit dated (last Thursday). However, VA looks like a state Obama is gonna win.

AxelDC said...

Perhaps there is some danger in complacency, but the flip side is that McCain's troops are demoralized. Just as a +12 can lead you to believe that this thing is won, a -12 says that it's not worth the trouble.

The situation you cite is based on ONE poll, and a Zogby one at that. The PA situation is borne out by numerous polls.

I'm not saying that we should just take an early break, but when Obama says that "he has been at this longer", he also has more to gain than anyone else. If he wins, he becomes president. If he wins, I just get a better president. It's like the difference between your favorite team winning the Super Bowl and you actually getting a Super Bowl ring.

Seretse said...

I happily stand corrected.

Blame said...

Could it be that a lot of the Mccain offices are permanently closed with the staff reasigned?

PR wise it is much better to abandon a State without telling anyone, and just leave behind a skelington crew.

Then again, maybe there is no GOP groundgame. McCain's remaining supporters may be so rabid that letting them loose in the streets might reduce suport.

Joseph said...

Excellent post! Keep up the great work out there!

bryen193 said...

History repeats itself. The repubs "maccaca'd" the election over the weekend in VA with that "real virginia" nonsense.

MysticLaker said...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/virginia/election_2008_virginia_presidential_election

Jaime said...

Wow... great VA numbers! If McCain's numbers are tightening, you'd never know it from the state polls.

2much2lose said...

Excellent story. One of your best.

And to think, Rudy and Palin actually mocked Obama's "Community organizing" experience. Obama's organizing the entire nation!

Awesome.

OBAMA / BIDEN '08 !!!

Kelly said...

Wow! Obama +10 is Virginia from Rasmussen is huge. Ras has been the only pollster in the last three weeks to show VA within the margin of error, so their sudden bullishness seems like a pretty big deal.

Maybe this will manage to convince Sabato & Co. that Virginia really is leaning Obama.

Darío said...

Polls tightening!

PA John said...

I am more than happy to see the horse-race numbers tighten, and the battlegrounds expand.

Note to Nancy Phoftenrasenfrassen:

The "Real" Virginia is making a loud noisy statement.

DanR said...

My wife and I volunteered to make calls for Obama yesterday at the campaign office in Columbia, MD. There certainly was no sign of complacency here. We had been solicited by email last week and signed up. Only a few people signed up in advance, but 25-30 showed up and filled the offices, with some people making their calls while sitting on the floor. We were all using our own cellphones. The calls all were to Virginia, at least in our cases, almost entirely to Republicans. At least 90%% of the names on my list were listed as Republicans.

There also was a signup sheet for a canvassing trip to Pennsylvania, and there were a lot of signatures on the sheet, with more people coming in and signing up while we were there.

Maryland is so strong for Obama that neither campaign is making any effort here. All of the volunteer efforts are directed at the two major prizes on either side of us, Virginia and Pennsylvania.

Probably in the two hours we worked, more than 1,000 calls were made from this one office. And more teams of callers were scheduled for the rest of the day. Multiply that by the number of Obama offices and it shows the magnitude of the telephone and canvassing effort.

My wife I made about 120 calls, and reached about 15 people. About half would not tell us their preference, so we assumed they were McCain people. The others either were McCain supporters, or leaning to Obama. A number complained about the barrage of Obama calls they are getting, as well as visits to their doors. No mention of any McCain effort.

We're in our mid 60s. The mix of volunteers ranged from people our age to early 20s, and white, black and Asian.

I've followed politics all my life, and was a journalist for many years. This is the most incredible grass-roots campaign I've ever seen.

Alison B said...

Just wanted to report that my husband and I attended the GOTV training session at Obama HQ in Center City Philly Friday night. The place was jam packed, way past standing room only, Mayor Nutter showed up to lend his support, and
the paid staff there did a *terrific* job of emphasizing the need for focus, follow through, persistence, etc. in the home stretch. *No* complacency allowed.

There were well-designed forms to get volunteers signed up for very specific tasks and shifts over election day weekend, and the staff communicated the GOTV strategy very well -- how many calls, how many door knocks, how many hang tags, how many votes needed. I agree the street money issue may be a problem (I'm new to Philly so don't really know how it works) but I can report that the ground game looks really good. We'll be phonebanking and knocking our hearts out...

ozzie said...

Obama +10 in VA.

Of course, most of that support is coming from communist North Virginia. McCain is probably still winning in the "real" South Virginia.

Maybe Joe McCain was getting Virginia and Vietnam mixed up when he made his comments about communist North Virginia?

Does anyone know if Virginia's electoral votes are determined by vote totals from the entire state or only from the "real" South Virginia?

Harper said...

Sorry, but NoVA still counts in the Virginia race. Looks like the "Real Virginia" plan backfired big time. I'd love to see a regional breakdown of the voting.

MysticLaker said...

What has been strange to me is that through the whole campaign M/P have been pushing people away, instead of trying to bring them in. From the repub acceptance speeches, not clamping down on the hate at the rallies, pro-America, etc...It's showing itself in spades now across the states which are have been pink it the past, but now turing blue.

Flo said...

Suffolk University

Ohio
Obama 51
McCain 42

Missouri
McCain 45
Obama 44

PA John said...

I am more than happy to see the horse-race numbers tighten, and the battlegrounds expand.

Let me re-phrase that to, i'll gladly accept the horse-race numbers tightening if the battleground numbers are expanding like this.

Andrew said...

Obama +10 is Virginia from Rasmussen is huge

My sentiments exactly. VA represents Obama's firewall at this point; even if the national polls tighten to a dead heat, he's got strong enough leads in the Kerry states + IA + NM + VA to give him 270.

Bex of Ambridge said...

@DanR and AlisonB:

Thanks SO much for those reports. As someone in the UK with no opportunity to get involved I am absolutely fascinated by these insights into Obama's ground game.

Really appreciate you taking the time to post your experience.

Bex

liberal_defender_of_freedom said...

Everyone appreciates the effort from our Maryland neighbors DanR. The Virginia offices get tons of volunteers from MD on the weekends.

Darío said...

Flo, that´s real.
Obama +9 in Ohio?.

Charles Crook said...

"
Could it be that a lot of the Mccain offices are permanently closed with the staff reasigned?

PR wise it is much better to abandon a State without telling anyone, and just leave behind a skelington crew."

If McCain can't hold OH, FL, VA, (etc.), MT may not matter. But supposing the resources devoted to MT were limited, what benefit is there to shift them to... CO, NV? Would it really matter to shift them? Or have the offices "flaked" and figured the battle will be won or lost somewhere else?

MysticLaker said...

Suffolk:

MO
M 45- O 44

Ohio:

O 52- M 42

http://www.suffolk.edu/31491.html

zzyzx said...

After going to the Biden rally yesterday, I'm not worried about complacency. Obama voters will do ANYTHING to get to the polls.

Kid G said...

About complacency:
Remember, this campaign is about change. No REAL change can happen as long as Tom Coburn of OK has the ability to run a successful filibuster. He has already set a new record for this technique in the past 2 years. Not letting up is about not just Obama winning, but also the people hanging onto his coattails. The Dems may not have an opportunity for a filibuster-proof majority for another 20 years. That's a long time, folks.

gd said...

ive been driving down to lebanon NH from burlington VT every weekend to canvass. there are usually at least 35-45 volunteers at the lebanon office every weekend morning for canvassing, groups of 2 knocking on about 30-40 doors each time out. the mccain office is across the way from the obama office and i havent seen any activity or cars there every time ive been by it on the weekends. im going to be down there the next 2 weekends and start making calls from home soon, we gotta sprint through the finish line. YES WE CAN!

Charles Crook said...

"Maybe Joe McCain was getting Virginia and Vietnam mixed up when he made his comments about communist North Virginia"

LOL. He did say "my fellow prisoners" at a PA event.

Antmatic said...

CNN National Numbers (LV)
O-51 (-2)
M-46 (+1)

Looks like we are going to settle into a 5-7 point lead or so with 2 weeks left.

jt said...

Complacency? C'mon people! I have been waiting just eight years for this country to wake up and it's all but killing me. Others of us have been waiting much longer...as many as 400 years longer.

We are taking the last steps in a struggle for respect, rights, and dignity. This country, founded on a dream of equality remains the best hope for achieving that dream.

Don't leave Barack hanging. Don't squander the sacrifices of millions...the dreams of President Jefferson and Dr. King are in all our hands now.

Back to my virtual phone bank.

jt in NC

Shawn said...

That Suffolk University Poll was M+4 in Ohio on 9/13!

Josh said...

I'm just starting to get involved with phone banking and door to door. It's pretty hard work (particularly the door to door) but it does make you feel good to know you're helping.

Complacency is BS. Even if we felt secure in the polling - we need to win by a huge amount in case of vote suppression by the GOP and to send a message.

rita said...

I know a few people are bringing up voting how to report irregularities and to answer questions-- MSNBC has been posting a number to call with q's and a's:

866-OUR-VOTE

I'm not sure how "official" this is-- if it puts you in touch with state election boards, for instance, but if you see something that doesn't look right, you might try calling them

Josh said...

BTW I'm in Virginia and we are very fired up here about turning this state BLUE for the first time since 1964. We know that if Obama wins VA he will win this election.

michiganmaine said...

Suffolk is 51 O 42 M in Ohio! Up 10 in Virginia. That is big. Game over! Check Mate!

http://www.suffolk.edu/31491.html

Mark Hussein in VA said...

has anyone read this new RFK Jr. article? Am I crazy for being paranoid about it?

No, you are not. In particular, CO and OH are being worked over furiously, quietly, to disenfranchise voters in those states.

It's quite a tactic the Regressives are employing. Bark like a seal about ACORN "stealing" the election, and during that garrulous distraction, quietly strip voters of their rights in key states. As we learned in 2000, it's critical to be on the correct side of a disputed election the morning after, and the Regressive anti-democracy legions know this.

Cheat and disenfranchise to make sure you have at least 1 more vote than the other side, and just sit back and enjoy the almost-certain-to-fail efforts of the other side to bring about justice before the election is certified.

Somewhere, Karl Rove will whack an old lady in the leg with her cane with a chuckle to celebrate.

takestock said...

The Suffolk MO poll included Saturday when 175k Obama supporters were too busy to answer their phones.

Matt said...

I don't put much stock in ARG's state polls, but there was an interesting nugget in their most recent national poll about the relative value of McCain and Obama's percentages of the national votes. Essentially, Obama is getting votes where they matter most, while McCain is holding large leads in states like Texas, Alabama, Louisiana that are not electorally important.

The larger point was that although the national polls might tighten in McCain's favor, he would almost need to establish a lead in the national polls to even be competitive electorally in the most important battleground states.

MysticLaker said...

From another blog: Intersting point:

That MO poll has a huge problem, on Saturday 175000 Dems were not home

jnorthrop said...

@takestock & mysticlaker --

I think the number was only 100k, but, more to the point, party weighting of the poll would take care of that effect anyway.

PA John said...

CNN:

LV (983) Horse Race:
Obama 51
McCain 46

LV w/3rd Party:
Obama 49
McCain 43
Barr 2
Nader 3

RV (1058) Horse Race:
Obama 53
McCain 43

RV w/3rd Party:
Obama 51
McCain 40
Barr 1
McKinney 1
Nader 4

The RV vs LV seems the same as Gallups RV vs. LV1/2 Avg.

Robert said...

While I share people's fear about voter fraud and the fact that the D's still seem unprepared and loosing this issue in the media (let's hop;e they have lotsa lawyers involved!), I don't think it will matter as much this election

Vote fraud works in close races in swing states. There is clearly at this point way too many states to defraud and there is no way they can pull it off.

I don't think they have a large conspriacy going, they simply understood better then the D's what the D's old election strategy meant. The D's for the last 8 years could only win in exactly one way which included OH. That was a huge mistake, topped with the fact that they lost the war of voters in OH.

This time I think the D's have learned but more importantly then that they are using a MUCH BETTER strategy that is also working. Their path to success comes through so many more states now making any particular state less important.

That all said all voter fraud should be reported, investigated and prosecuted. That goes for issues on both sides.

RWD said...

100k in St Louis and then 75k in Kansas City later.

KB said...

Great post.

Remember, a win with bigger numbers means that BO's mandate to govern is stronger.

Bigger numbers also fend off the pre-emptive undermining the Repubs have been doing with the talk of voter fraud.

So, even if you are feeling complacent about a win, don't ignore the power of the margin.

I remember when Kerry's poll numbers started slipping-- the number of volunteers on election day (lots from MA) overwhelmed the Dover, NH office. BO seems so much better prepared, and we need to show.

We need every last vote, campaign is organized to make your work pay off -- so get out there!

Joseph said...

I'd love to see the internals on the VA and MO polls.

Does anyone have access to them?

Alicia said...

@jnorthrup,
They are correct in 175,000. Obama spoke to 100,000 in St. Louis early in the day and another 75,000 in Kansas City that evening.

On a side note, contrast this with McCain's visit. I live in the KC Metro area, the edge of it, in a town of 20,000. McCain is holding a rally here this afternoon-- at a private religious high school. He's using their football field. Looks pretty pathetic after Obama's visit! I feel dirty knowing McCain will be in my city today. Yuck.

andrew said...

I just had the opportunity to early-vote for Obama here in Tallahassee Florida. The place was reasonably busy and there was definitely some pro-Obama excitement in the air. Thankfully, I encountered no problems getting my ballot and quickly filled it out for Barack. Upon leaving the court house, I heard what sounded like drums in the distance. I looked up, and realized that the entire FAMU marching band was heading this way, joined by several hundred African American students and faculty from this Historically black University. It was quite a sight to behold! After twenty minutes, they all finally assembled in front of the Court House, and began a full “half-time” worth of triumphant marching music. Even though I had stuff to do, I stood there for 30 minutes in awe of what I was seeing, and couldn’t even help but grin as the 2 McCain volunteers to my right were literally overwhelmed by the volume and excitement of the Obama rally that was unfolding. They just gave up trying to talk to people and stood by and watched.

jnorthrop said...

@alicia --

Thanks for the correction and FWIW, Palin wasn't far from here the other day. Talk about feeling dirty!

lucyp said...

My experience with the Towson, MD Obama office was not good. I realize we're solidly blue, but it was hard to get into (the door was locked and the receptionist had to buzz me in--the second time I tried the door); they had no yard signs, and no jobs for anyone except phone banking, and a fairly unhelpful attitude. Not the sort of enthusiasm I'm hearing about in these Road to 270 posts. Sounds like the Columbia office is better--I may try them.

On another note, tho, got our first "down ticket" e-mail from the Obama campaign today, asking us to support Elijah Cummings.

Darío said...

Alicia, who win Kansas City for you?

Kid G said...

Andrew,
Thank you for that awesome story. This election really feels historic already.

markymark said...

CNN poll has cheered me up a bit having arrived home to find Ras cutting the lead to 4, and the Red Sox losing to the Rays.

Does anyone know if Ras uses RV or LV? They only give one number, and there numbers tend to be closer to most pollsters LV numbers.Maybe that is soimething to bear in mind as well.

Ah well! Go Celtics!

ozzie said...

In 2004 people were pretty excited about Kerry's GOTV and enthusiasm. But Rush/Rove had better GOTV (along with Dem voter supression).

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Early_voting_04.html?showall

Of course in 2004 many Bush volunteers were excited about their candidate and many Kerry voters were voting against Bush.

This year it is really the opposite with Obama voters much more enthusiastic about their candidate.

Antmatic said...

Let's see what Rasmussen has to say on OH and MO later today...

Roderick said...

@ andrew. Thanks for that post. FAMU is my wife's alma mater. She LOVES the band and would go from SC to Tallahassee yearly at homecomming just for the band. she sometimes reads this blog, I will pass along your comment.

RoseGrower said...

jnorthrop, you win! Palin is definitely worse.

I don't think most people are even aware of McCain's rally here. Even in my town! I doubt many people from the metro will bother to drive down here, either. Our metro is one of the largest, geography-wise. Picking our small town out on edges seems like dumb move, but what do you expect from them? My father works for the city and he said that even the police didn't know about the rally until Friday afternoon. This was well-planned in advance, eh?

slicknickshady said...

I don't really care if the MO poll is correct if there OH poll is correct. lol.

With that said I think Obama takes MO and OH is real close.

ozzie said...

Rasmussen: Daily tracking results are collected via telephone surveys of 1,000 likely voters per night and reported on a three-day rolling average basis.

No one knows what turnout will be this year. Obama is still +10 in most RV surveys. Part of the reason you are seeing changes in the tracking polls is different LV models.

You can make more of a difference for your chosen candidate by volunteering for GOTV. You can multiply the effect of your vote by getting additional voters to the polls.

michiganmaine said...

Seems like the Repubs are giving up now, and creating a narrative to explain their loss.

Rick Davis and McCain stressing that the Obama campaign is cheating in its fundraising operation. Ohio repubs charging that the Dems are rigging the election. ACORN, etc..

The new narrative is a set up for their loss. I sure hope PeteKKK can get up to speed on the Repub talking points.

RWD said...

"Our metro is one of the largest, geography-wise. Picking our small town out on edges seems like dumb move, but what do you expect from them?"

It's the only way McCain can have an enthusiastic crowd. If he tried to do it anywhere closer to the heart of town, he'd draw more protesters than supporters.

RoseGrower said...

Darío said...

Alicia, who win Kansas City for you?


Dario,
Kansas City and St.Louis always go blue. What turns the state Republican are the rural areas, and there are a LOT of those in Missouri. Part of Missouri is in the Ozarks. I'll leave it at that.

I believe Obama will do better in rural areas this year than Democrats in the past. Claire McCaskill, our Senator, managed to win by campaigning furiously in those areas and establishing toe-holds. I think this will benefit Obama. There's already some thing to work with. I don't expect the rural areas to go blue, though. Unforunately, this includes my county which is almost entirely rural.

I should mention that poll-watching the night of the election is excruciating here in Missouri. The two metro areas report their results early. And then the rural results trickle in at a snail's pace. As they do, the wonderful Democratic lead just gets chipped away until we're biting our nails wondering if our candidate will pull it off. I'm thankful we're getting rid of governor this year. Now, if we could only get rid of Kit Bond...

Bex of Ambridge said...

@andrew:

That sounds INCREDIBLE! Anyone find any youtube footage of this? Had a scout around but no joy - hopefully some will be posted later.

RoseGrower said...

Oddly, my name changed from Alicia to RoseGrower on the comments. No idea why but sorry for the confusion.

Nicholas said...

Of the last 8 Virginia polls, 4 of them have been double digits (Suffolk +12, SurveyUSA +10, CNN +10, and Rasmussen +10), one at +8 (PPP), one at +6 (CNU), and two older Rasmussen polls (+2, +3), which have now been replaced.

slicknickshady said...

I bet RCP leaves out the suffolk polls today. They dem cherry pickers.

zzyzx said...

Andrew - I posted that comment to my LJ. That must have been amazing!

newsfromOH said...

I really need to go take a pic of the "big" Mc office here in the Cleveland area--behind and beneath a small suburban shopping center, in between dumpsters.

I drive by it whenever I'm in the area just to see the cranky old man who seems to be the only one there.

Maybe OH can go blue, I hope so, if only to be part of a mandate. Our neighbors, though, include a lot of red so we'd very much welcome any travelers who want to help with GOTV. LOTS of homes opening their doors.

Erik Nilsson said...

@rita
> ...how to report irregularities
> MSNBC has been posting a number...
> 866-OUR-VOTE
>I'm not sure how "official" this is--

Rita, it's not official, but it's a good project. It's run by the Election Protection Coalition. I've worked with these folks and they are very serious about what they do. In past elections, they have been able to take phone reports, look for patterns of vote suppression, and get lawyers into polling places and in front of judges. All this real time, as the election progresses.

(You can check my Blogger profile to decide if you should value my opinion. I use my real name. I worked for the South African Election Commission (IEC) in 1994 and have been an election observer and election protection worker in the US.)

PorridgeGun said...

dharmabum said...

Has anyone read this new RFK Jr. article? Am I crazy for being paranoid about it?


If Greg Palast is onto it, the Republicans are at it again with voter fraud and caging.


What's the deal in Colorado? Bill Ritter is a Democratic Governor. Why does he have a Republican Secretary of State?

Evgueni said...

Talk about desperate.

John McCain asked the Russians for money to finance his campaign.

http://www.khabrein.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17870&Itemid=57

assmole said...

whats wrong with russians?

RWD said...

In many states, the Sec of State is an elected position, separate from the Governor's office.

Real Joe said...

evgueni said..

John McCain asked the Russians for money to finance his campaign.

http://www.khabrein.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17870&Itemid=57


WHHHHHAT ?

October Surprise ?

RWD said...

I wonder about that Russian story...maybe just a form letter sent out, that shouldn't have been? I can't believe they would really ask a foreign mission from any country for a contribution.

Kid G said...

Evgueni,
Is this website that you linked to a credible source? The article seems a little sketchy to me.

Jay said...

I work here in the Scranton area of PA on behalf of the AFT union which is (amongst other coalitions of unions) dumping money into the state. What I have noticed is an increase in McCain field offices, as well as people out on the street. However, I have not noticed the drop out rate for volunteers (we have buses from New York come in every week). My comment though is on the training of the McCain people I see out. They arent as well trained or as used to the type of work as the Obama supporters are. I see alot of them just holding signs and yelling, which apparently they are getting paid for. If you're trying to win over voters, im not sure of the effectiveness of this tactic and it just reeks of poor organizing.

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John said...

McCain really thinks that he can hold down Obama's margin in Philadelphia to 60,000 less than Kerry's? That's patently ridiculous. McCain will be lucky if he loses by the same margin that Bush did, I should think.

Real Joe said...

assmole said...
whats wrong with russians?


hahahahaha

McCain campaign asking communists for money

Trevor said...

"The Dems may not have an opportunity for a filibuster-proof majority for another 20 years"

2010 is going to be another very pro-Dem year (at least on paper, and 2006 was supposed to be strong GOP on paper a year out.)

The GOP got almost every close break in 2004 in a strong year for them (Bunning, Thune, Burr, Specter barely surived a primary against an unelectable opponent, DeMint only won by 9%.) Not to mention Bunning and Voinovich are possible retirements.

Most of the Dem seats are safe (what credible challenger can beat Reid? Salazar?)

Of course, this is all on paper; we all remember the talk of the permanent Republican majority.

Trevor said...

"What's the deal in Colorado? Bill Ritter is a Democratic Governor. Why does he have a Republican Secretary of State?"

They're elected separately in many (if not most) states.

Real Joe said...

Ben smith:

Russia's permanent mission to the UN has received a letter from U.S. Republican presidential candidate John McCain asking for financial support of his election campaign, the mission said in a statement on Monday.

"We have received a letter from Senator John McCain with a request for a financial donation to his presidential election campaign. In this respect we have to reiterate that neither Russia's permanent mission to the UN nor the Russian government or its officials finance political activities in foreign countries," the statement said.

According to Ruslan Bakhtin, press secretary of the Russian mission, the letter dated September 29 and signed by McCain, was addressed to Vitaly Churkin, Russia's envoy to the UN, and arrived on October 16.

The ambassador's title was not included in the letter, and was not clear why the letter had taken over two weeks to arrive.

Enclosed was a request for a donation of up to $5,000 to McCain's election campaign to be returned with a check or permission to withdraw the money from the donor's credit card until October 24.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/McCain_camp_hits_up_Russian_ambassador.html?showall

PorridgeGun said...

I'd don't really trust CNN's national polling, but it looks pretty decent. The last time they polled was at the height of McCain's insanity trip. Now Obama has lost a couple of points, which is to be expected.


ABC/WaPo will be 7% for Obama, probably lower.

MysticLaker said...

IBT Tipp 47-41

Obama-46.7% (+0.1%)

McCain-41.4% (-0.1%)

Undecided-11.9% (Unchanged)

michiganmaine said...

Real Joe said...

assmole said...
whats wrong with russians?

hahahahaha

McCain campaign asking communists for money




Joe, if you spent even a tiny percentage of the time you spend on this forum learning about the world, you would know that Russia is not communist.

PeteKent said...

The People Will Not Stand For It

Those of you who live your lives in the cocoon of the blogsphere or the shelter of the left-leaning media in general have no idea the anger and outrage that is out there concerning what journalism has become and how obvious it is to many that it is manipulating the news in favor of Obama.

Here is Bryon York's report from McCain's rally in VA over the weekend:

Munoz said he owned a small construction business. “I have a license, if you guys want to check,” he said.

Someone asked why Munoz had come to the rally. “I support McCain, but I’ve come to face you guys because I’m disgusted with you guys,” he said. “Why the hell are you going after Joe the Plumber? Joe the Plumber has an idea. He has a future. He wants to be something else. Why is that wrong? Everything is possible in America. I made it. Joe the Plumber could make it even better than me. . . . I was born in Colombia, but I was made in the U.S.A.”

The scene turned into a mini-fracas when David Corn, of Mother Jones, defended press coverage. Munoz was having none of it. Why, he asked, would the press whack Joe the Plumber when it didn’t want to report on Obama’s relationship with William Ayers, the former Weather Underground bomber? “How come that’s not in the news all the time?” Munoz said. “How come Joe the Plumber is every second? I’m talking about NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, and CNN.”

***

And Obama thinks McCain does not get it?

People know when they are being manipulated and they resist it.

Complacency swells the ranks of the Obama supporters while just anger inflames the McCain-Palin voter. We will make you pay!

Kid G said...

Trevor,
If you think Joe the Plumber and "spreading the wealth around" is getting a lot of press now, I can only imagine the ridiculousness of right wingnut radio if Obama gets elected. It'll make their work during the first two Clinton years look like preschool with all the soundbites they will twist and spin.

PeteKent said...

And just who is Michael Signator anyway?

http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=1&subcatid=2&threadid=1650746&start=1&currentPage=1

Check out The Politico.

MysticLaker said...

gallup

RV

O 52
M 41 (-1)

LVI 52 +1
43 -1

LV

Evgueni said...

No idea if the web-site is credible, but it's a fresh story. We'll see if it has any legs in the next few days.

My first idea was just that - a form letter that had the Russian consulate as one of 100,000 addresses, but you never know. Maybe McCain really is desperate enough to be bashing "KGB" Putin one day and asking him for a handout the next.

Edmund said...

Not to jump the gun too much but...how does Obama run a ground game like this in 2012 when he's busy being President?

markymark said...

I have a feeling that LV models are flat out wrong this time around. I think that RV models may well be more accurate this time out, especially if turnout is high.

CameronsCrusaders said...

Gallup very strong for Obama today

rv- 52-41
LV Exp- 52-43
LV Trad- 50-45

PorridgeGun said...

Trevor said...

"What's the deal in Colorado? Bill Ritter is a Democratic Governor. Why does he have a Republican Secretary of State?"

They're elected separately in many (if not most) states.



So it's down to Gov. Ritter then to make sure his scum Secretary of State doesn't disenfranchise Colorado voters. How comforting.

Hank said...

> Of course, this is all on paper;
> we all remember the talk of the
> permanent Republican majority.

No party should entertain any notion of a "permanent" presence. I am as much in favor of a years-long shift to the center as anybody else, but assuming the Dems win, they need to approach governance with the attitude that they can just as easily be the minority party as quickly as the next mid-term election. 1994 is not so long ago.

Matt W said...

Gallup:
Obama holds his 52 in RV, and gains 1 point in both LVs
McCain loses 1 point in all three!

Uncle Toby said...

Oh, read between the lines of the Michael Signator story. It's the October surprise and it will die a horrific death. Drudge won't put it up because he's been a victim of some of the same nudge nudge whispers.

slicknickshady said...

I guess Gallup right again today with Obama being + 11.

markymark said...

Good day for Obama in Gallup, up in all 3 versions

RV O 52 M 41
LV+ O 52 M43
LV trad O50 M45

Interesting that the trad LV model is very close to the Ras number right now.

slicknickshady said...

Also this Michael Signator is a non story. Whats wrong with a person having friends? Nothing.

Jaime said...

Good Gallup numbers... also:

And just who is Michael Signator anyway?

http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=1&subcatid=2&threadid=1650746&start=1&currentPage=1

Check out The Politico.


I thought it was pretty irresponsible yesterday for Politico to run an article about someone who was pretty obviously in Obama's security detail with the headline "Obama's Mystery Man." It makes it sound sinister when, reading the article, the connection is anything but.

rita said...

@ Erik

Thank you-- I checked it out for myself, and MSNBC is doing a better job reporting who/what they are (Election Protection connection) (hey... that rhymes!!)

I'm sooooo glad this is getting out there!

michiganmaine said...

PeteKent said...

"And just who is Michael Signator anyway?"

He is a friend of Obama's. You might not understand the relationship that the rest of us call "friend". Most of us, however, have friends and understand what that type of relationship entails.


Feel desperate much?

DC Sox Fan said...

# LucyP...

There has been a concerted effort in MD Obama offices to funnel people down to NoVA where they can be a bit more influential. My understanding is that working the MD offices, especially Dem heavy areas like Towson, Rockville, etc. are creating quite a few grumbles as people want to be where the action is - NoVA - you might want to check out the Falls Church office or the Arlington Office.

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yiannis said...

Virginia is not hearing what you say Sean.

They have the best GOTV effort ever assembled in the state and the polls show it.

Even if Rasmussen (brand new poll from today) and CNN/Time are oversampling the DC suburbs, 10% lead is a whole lot of ground to make for John McCain.

Every October poll has Obama above 50% there and the last 3 have him at 54, 53 and 54.

I mean McCain has nothing new to say. Healthcare is killing him and he hasn't even aired a single ad on the issue.

RWD said...

Nobody's ever heard of Signator. Most people, however, have heard of Russia.

Matt W said...

markymark,
I was just thinking about that Ras and Gallup LVt similarity. I think it suggests that Ras is being too conservative in his LV model. I was pretty disappointed Obama lost 2 in Ras today after what had to be a strong day yesterday. I got over it

Jaime said...

uncle toby: are you saying Obama is gay? Hahaha. That WOULD be an October Surprise!

Though I've seen the way Obama looks at his wife, and I have to say, I kind of doubt it!

Paul said...

Obama up in the latest Gallup by +11 Registered and +5 Traditional Likely. How quickly is Drudge going to pull down that 4.8 RCP average?

Christopher said...

Any poll that has 12% undecided is just absurd to me. If you are undecided at this point, chances are you just don't vote.

If Obama is elected, Rush & Hannity will form an implosive harmonic convergence of rage. It will be beautiful to watch.

PA John said...

Good day on Gallup for Obama!

The LV average is +7

So Obama gained in Zogby, R2000, and Gallup...

Down in Hotline, Rasmussen.

No change in Battleground and TIPP.

The trackers keep playing leap frog as to who moves up and who moves down. Of significance though is none are within the MOE today.

ABC/WaPo prediction is Obama +5-7.

Blame said...

If this goes on the republican moderate will go the way of the dodo. Minority groups, such as they are, will be hounded from the party. All that will be left will be the fanatics.

Uncle Toby said...

I'm not saying it. These morons are saying it without saying it. And they'll do their little dance and send the same coded messages to their stormtroopers that they do with race.

This story is just a test of the waters to see if it's a viable attack.

Matt W said...

Obama being introduced by Rays players!
Live on CNN.com

R-Boy said...

Hello Everyone.

Went to vote absentee in person today out in the Fake Virginia City of Alexandria. Steady stream of folks going in and out, mostly elderly, in the 30 minutes I was there.

I voted for Bush in 2000, and libertarian in 2004. I'm a fiscally conservative fellow. The Repubs had been my major party of choice for awhile. That kinda changed during the last 8 years.

Today, I voted for "That One". Like many of my fiscally conservative brethren, we are in Open Revolt against a party gone mad.

yiannis said...

Mason-Dixon has a slight republican lean but they were accurate with the 2004 electorate in most battleground states.

Their last poll of VA was from 3 weeks ago and it had McC up 1. Look for their poll to see how much their more republican sampling has moved the last few weeks.

PorridgeGun said...

The sound you just heard was FReeptard's heads exploding.


Wasn't expecting those numbers from Gallup. Obama was already trending upwards yesterday, but I was expecting similar from Rasmussen, Hotline today. Like I said earlier, these trackers are screwy at the best and worst of times.

NoVa Commie said...

R-Boy,
Welcome aboard from the fake Virginia city of Arlington!

We are all fake Virginians now.

Jaime said...

I have to say, the idea of Obama having hot gay sex with a police officer might make me MORE likely to vote for him. LOL

Seriously, though... people are NOT going to believe that.

R-Boy said...

@Commie

We can raise a beer at the fake Whitlow's on Fake Wilson Street on the 5th.

:P

NoVa Commie said...

R-Boy,
If not too hungover, will look forward to celebrating with all Fake Virginians at any bar in Fake Clarendon...

Voice of the Midwest said...

Nationwide, we are underpolling the effect Barr and Paul will have in marginal red states as alternatives for conservative voters to McCain. Conversely, we have no idea what effect (if any) that Nader will have on Obama.

My guess is that it comes down to enthusiasm for the candidates of the major parties. That likely being the case, I can see a lot more far right voters sitting on their hands this year or voting for a Barr or Paul than far left voters leaving the reservation for Nader.

No one is really measuring this effect. However, no one else is noticing that Obama is likely the first Democratic candidate to keep the far lefties and the blue dogs under the same tent and enthusiastic since Roosevelt.

markymark said...

hmmm well now Obama has been introduced by Rays players, I might have to change my vote. Oh wait I already sent it off. Oh well, I will just take solace in the fact the my BoSox were at least beaten by good liberals!

Redshift said...

Harper:
SurveyUSA includes a regional breakdown in their Virginia polls (though they don't provide a map of their regions.) In the last one McCain and Obama were tied in the "Shenandoah" region and Obama led by at least eight in every other region of Virginia.

Another pollster (Suffolk, I think) also had regional breakdown, but I don't have that handy.

PA John said...

Well, I guess Jack-be-nimble won't be on to lecture us on how we should not doubt "the tried and true" Likely voter model of Gallup.

He predicted that McCain would be ahead in at least one of the trackers by Tuesday.

Matt W said...

Markymark,
I think it went over pretty well there in Tampa. Probably won't lose him too many MA or New England votes.
He's gonna have to walk a line here through the series though

PeteKent said...

What they are reporting on the Politico blog concerning Obama's "confideant" Mike Signator;

"My gay friends told me that skinny guys usually like bigger muscular guys. Also, someone with authority in public eyes usually prefers someone dominating who can "humiliate" the partner in private. Gyms are usually the places where closeted gay friends meet because the wives will not be there and it is "normal" to work out with a buddy. My gay friends also told me that politicians usually have to "pay" for the services (partly for the secrecy)......and almost all the time from some public funds they have juridiction over which they can pay out for legitimate services like administrative assistant, driver or bodyguard."


Ick.

Forcefield said...


RV O 52 M 41
LV+ O 52 M43
LV trad O50 M45


MCCAIN SURGE!!!

ThatOne4Pres said...

First time poster.

As has been mentioned before, there HAS to be something wrong with the Gallup claims about likely voters.

The "LV-traditional" total should be a subset of the "LV-extended" total. And yet, for (at least) the third day in a row, Gallup reports a higher number of voters in the LV-traditional group than in the LV-extended group. That's just impossible.

From 10/20:
RV = 2774
LVe = 2271
LVt = 2340

Those numbers can't be right, since, by definition, it must be the case that:
RV > LVe > LVt
(those ">" signs should be "greater than or equal to")

SHERWICK said...

petekent, how many gay friends do you have? Not that there's anything wrong with that of course. Just asking..

Redshift said...

Edmund:
Not to jump the gun too much but...how does Obama run a ground game like this in 2012 when he's busy being President?

One of the aspects that's been striking about the campaign is the extremely competent management. Obama isn't personally running the ground game, he just establishes the principles and direction, and hires excellent people to carry them out.

Kid G said...

Hope the Tampa Bay intro doesn't lose him too many Philly voters. He told Philly that he was rooting for the Phillies that day.

Voice of the Midwest said...

Joe Maddon and the Rays do not live in a pro-American section of Florida, according to Sarah Palin. That is why the Rays are so out front for Obama.
; )

SHERWICK said...

i have no idea what the Gallup LVs are showing, other than the fact Obama is leading.

PA John said...

PeteKent said:

"My gay friends told me that skinny guys usually like bigger muscular guys.

I knnew there was a reason you like Joe the Plumber so much. thanks for clearing that up!!

Josh said...

I'm down in "real Virginia" and I hope Obama wins down here too ;)

Uncle Toby said...

Pete Kent:
At long last, have you no sense of deceny?

Matt W said...

thatone4pres,
That is completely wrong! I saw this before too. You have to understand how polls are weighted. You can not determine the specific numbers the way you are trying too. Subsets are weighted differently in RV and LV "screens". The numbers are completely plausible.

Keith said...

"Wow! Obama +10 is Virginia from Rasmussen is huge"

Poll is out of date.

RedHawksO4 said...

Yes, while we can't get complacent, things are looking good in the electoral college. I put unemployment rates next to states and found that the states that are "Tossup" or "Lean Obama" have much higher jobless rates that "Likely Obama" states. This indicates to me that Obama has room to grow even further in the electoral college:

The Electoral College and Unemployment

markymark said...

Ha ha well he can't do worse than Giuliani managed to lol! And I was only kidding (well half kidding!) Isn't Biden on record as a Phillies fan? Maybe Obama could square up the odds on the ticket and back the Rays?

To be fair the Rays have had the Sox number in the run in, so well done to them. The Phillies last word series win was in 1980, when Reagan first won, so maybe thats an omen?

Kylopod said...

Not to jump the gun too much but...how does Obama run a ground game like this in 2012 when he's busy being President?

It's much harder to un-elect an incumbent president than to defeat a newcomer. Only one president in U.S. history lost a reelection bid after winning the popular vote against the incumbent party, and that was Jimmy Carter.

Voice of the Midwest said...

"Hope the Tampa Bay intro doesn't lose him too many Philly voters. He told Philly that he was rooting for the Phillies that day."

John McCain smarmily dismissing "the health of the mother" with air quotes in the last debate lost suburban Philadelphia for McCain.

PA and FL will be called within an hour of the polls being closed.

Real Joe said...

keith said...
"Wow! Obama +10 is Virginia from Rasmussen is huge"


Poll is out of date.

WHHHAT ?

Keith said...

"Looks like we are going to settle into a 5-7 point lead or so with 2 weeks left"


2 weeks is a long time in politics. Nothing is settled yet.

Redshift said...

Oh, and hello to all my Fake Virginia compatriots from Fake Fairfax, where Nancy Pfotenhauer apparently lives. As someone who grew up in Fake Arlington, her news that all the Democrats in Northern Virginia just moved in from DC was quite a surprise.

SHERWICK said...

Ras VA poll was done on Oct 16 before the Powell speech. I doubt McCain *gained* any votes from P's speech, so maybe MORE than a 10% gap now.

CommieChemist said...

Check out the Move On "Talking Moose" ad:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/20/1571569.aspx

Antmatic said...

Being up 5-7 points nationally with likely with 2 weeks left really ain't bad.

Hopefully ABC and Rasmussen state polls will confirm one of the better polling days Obama has had in the past week or so.

newsfromOH said...

I just talked to the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections (Cleveland) to confirm some details about my work at the polls 11/4.

The worker there told me that they had a whole bunch of Greyhound bus sized buses coming from churches yesterday FILLED with people to early vote.

How cool is that?!?!?

She said it was insane there (in a great way)

Matthew H said...

Jaime said...
I have to say, the idea of Obama having hot gay sex with a police officer might make me MORE likely to vote for him. LOL


At this point, I don't care if he's having hot gay sex with a police dog. All I care is what he's going to do for the country.

Now, if it was a police horse, I dunno...who's going to get the horseapples out of the oval office?

Alyssa said...

+10 for VA seems to be the holding pattern.
I'm so happy about VA this year! I called it goin blue beginning of Sept and everyone thought I was crazy.

Chatter on the interwebs is that even conservatives in northern commie fake VA are flipping their shit over Nancy what's-her-name's comment.

Game. Set. Match = FIRE!

Real Joe said...

commiechemist said...
Check out the Move On "Talking Moose" ad:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/20/1571569.aspx


hahahahahahaha

Keith said...

"I feel dirty knowing McCain will be in my city today. Yuck"

Comments like this sadden me. We all need to be more respectful and show integrity. Rememember politics is not as important as life, and how we choose to lead it.

NoVa Commie said...

Josh,
You may just be fake like us...(this is a must read snark, btw)

McCain's Cosmological Breakthrough: Unreality Is Expanding

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/mccaina_quantum_physics_breakt.php

jnorthrop said...

@CommieChemist

That MoveOn ad is great!

bizkid23 said...

PeteKent said...

"The People Will Not Stand For It

Those of you who live your lives in the cocoon of the blogsphere or the shelter of the left-leaning media in general have no idea the anger and outrage that is out there concerning what journalism has become and how obvious it is to many that it is manipulating the news in favor of Obama."

Not only do we know what the nutjob righties think, we know it before they say it. You are a nut, you are a fool and you are holding onto a mirage. I'm sorry Rove lied to you and promised you a permanent majority but you're going to have to deal with the fact that Repubs are a dying breed. Just the natural demographic changes are enough to doom your loony fringe of the Republican Party and that makes me smile.

Eric said...

http://www.suffolk.edu/images/content/Ohio_Marginals_Oct_19_2008_for_posting1.pdf

Suffolk poll Obama up 9 in Ohio

Key internal:

Who did you vote for in 2004?

George Bush Jr. 44%
Barack Obama 43%

I believe Obama is ahead in Ohio!

Another question was regarding unemployment. Who has a better plan for jobs? Obama won 2:1.

SHERWICK said...

Powell basically said this about McCain: "I know John McCain very well. I am a very good friend of John's and have known him for over 30 years and I can tell you this. John does not have the temperament, passion, stability, vision or capability to serve as President of the United States of America. Oh, and by the way my Republican party is full of whackos.

Antmatic said...

VA poll is not from this weekend (it's from Thursday), but it is the most up to date poll we have from Virginia. And Thursday, several national polls were showing some tightening. So the numbers are pretty current, and they are consistent with other polling (SUSA, PPP, CVU, etc.).

Voice of the Midwest said...

R2000/Oregon Senate

Merkley +6 Over Smith

MsMike said...

Someone asked about the "OUR-VOTE" phone number. They are a non-profit organization that will help you resolve voting problems. Please spread the word, and carry this information with you when you go to vote:
If voter fraud or vote suppression is suspected: call the Election Protection Hotline at 866-OUR-VOTE (1-866-687-8683). Their Web site is www.866ourvote.org. They also need volunteers.
On election day, November 4th, the League of Women Voters of the United States will have HotLine numbers on their website, as well as an electronic feedback form for any voters who experience trouble at the polls. The League of Women Voters website is as follows: www.lwv.org.
Before you vote, look up and write down the phone number of your local campaign office; they can help you with voting problems.
Read the following articles on protecting voter’s rights:
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=protecting_voter_rights

jnorthrop said...

@Keith -

When someone tries to win primarily by pandering (Palin) and smearing the other guy the backlash is likely to be disgust.

Matt W said...

eric,
43% voted for Obama in 2004!!!

That's some solid early support

Kid G said...

R2000/Oregon Senate

Merkley +6 Over Smith


This poll is GREAT news!!! For Gordon Smith!!!


In all seriousness, it's good to see Merkley getting some breathing room from Smith, especially with voting already happening.

Matt said...

SUSA Virginia

O: 51
M: 45

Not the ten point lead Ras gives him, but I'll take it.

Real Joe said...

matt w said...
eric,
43% voted for Obama in 2004!!!

That's some solid early support


hahaahhahahahah

Alyssa said...

pa john said...
PeteKent said:

"My gay friends told me that skinny guys usually like bigger muscular guys.

I knnew there was a reason you liked Joe THE PLUMBER so much.

Real Joe said...

Obama will win VA

Kaine: Obama will win Virginia

Eric said...

Matt W said...
eric,
43% voted for Obama in 2004!!!

That's some solid early support


Yeah, yeah. Sorry, 43% Kerry.

Suffolk Ohio

51% Obama
42% McCain

same voters 2004...

44% Bush Jr.
43% Kerry

5% new voters.

Catch my meaning? 2/3 think Obama is better for jobs. This is the end game for RepubliCONs. They have to suppress votes. HAVE TO! Everything that comes out of their mouth regarding ACORN and fraud and whatever else is trying to gain popular support and percetion for when they do their dirty deeds. Not only can we not stand for it, we have to scream from the mountaintops. We're not going to take it anymore!!!! FUCK THE GOP!!!

Did I make myself clear enough?

Voice of the Midwest said...

Word on the street: Nancy Pfotenhauer has been asked to sit out talking head interviews for a while. Will confirm with my source if it is not news already.

What she said was Carly Fiorina-ish.

markymark said...

The moose is pretty cool, and its a good spot in that it hits Palin's judgement not her inexperience.

Eric said...

Voice of the Midwest said...
Word on the street: Nancy Pfotenhauer has been asked to sit out talking head interviews for a while. Will confirm with my source if it is not news already.

What she said was Carly Fiorina-ish.

This is very good news. i'm sure many of my Dem friends will disagree with me, but Pfotenhauer and Fiorina were solid talking heads minus the gaffes. The McCain camp has very few good ones (see Tucker Bounds). I'm happy to see her on the sidelines.

Kid G said...

Word on the street: Nancy Pfotenhauer has been asked to sit out talking head interviews for a while. Will confirm with my source if it is not news already.

What she said was Carly Fiorina-ish.


If true: NIIIIIIICE!!!

Someone must have installed a faulty fuse in the Stepford Wives this year.

newsfromOH said...

voice of the midwest,

They're running out of experienced talking heads. So many of them have said such stupid things that they're throwing newbies into the fire. Watching the shows yesterday, I saw a ton of fresh-faced deer in headlights tossed out by the GOP

Subterranean said...

Obama will be unleashing his surrogates in FL. Looking good.

Regarding Signator...good god, PeteKent, is your house entirely carpeted with "Jump to Conclusion" mats? WTF?

Antmatic said...

PPP
North Carolina
1200 LV, 10/18-10/19
O-51 (+2)
M-44 (-2)

Matt W said...

Eric,
Yes very clear... It looks like Legal Team Obama is on top of it. But I completely agree the voter supression tactics are anti-democratic and reprehensible.

Eric said...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/virginia/election_2008_virginia_presidential_election


Somebody's getting imPalined. Poor John McCain. Look at the females flocking to Obama. Palin is an iceberg.

markymark said...

I am trying to think of one area that McCain has won during the campaign? Best use of a plumber maybe, but his surrogates have been awful Gram, Fiorina, the VA woman), his campaign staff have been rubbish, he has been thrashing between lacklustre, tired and overbearing, his ads haven't set the world on fire. Makes you wonder what the polls might be saying if he had run an affective campaign.

PorridgeGun said...

Obama delievering a great one in Tampa, FL. More of high-pitch conversation than a speech. Very Clintonesque.


Looks like he's enjoying himself, too.

Subterranean said...

markymark riffed:

"I am trying to think of one area that McCain has won during the campaign? Best use of a plumber maybe..."

Awesome. :D

newsfromOH said...

eric,

Great analogy. Palin sure was an iceberg, the depth of her danger not at all visible to the captains of the Mc ship

CommieChemist said...

Nice touch at the Tampa Obama rally by playing "Centerfield" at the end of the talk.

newsfromOH said...

My CNN feed won't work but I'm dying to know if Obama mentions pie again . . .

Eric said...

markymark said...
I am trying to think of one area that McCain has won during the campaign? Best use of a plumber maybe, but his surrogates have been awful Gram, Fiorina, the VA woman), his campaign staff have been rubbish, he has been thrashing between lacklustre, tired and overbearing, his ads haven't set the world on fire. Makes you wonder what the polls might be saying if he had run an affective campaign.


McCain was never a good candidate. Just the besto f a bad bunch for the Pubs this time around. Some are overwhelmed by the general election and don't have a clue how to handle it. See Michael Dukakis and Bob Dole. This has been the case with McCain. i'd feel sorry for him if he wasn't running against my candidate. I'll acknowledge he was good at the Alfred Smith dinner. The tape that played about his biography before his speech at the RNC was good. Aside from that he's been awful. I'd say his batting average is about .050. Pretty terrible.

Antmatic said...

SUSA VA poll is fine.

Some movement to McCain among groups you expect, but Obama still performing strongly with his core voters and holding McCain's margins down in the central and western parts of the state.

Obama should make a few more visits to VA to seal the deal.