A month ago at the convention in St. Paul, I spoke with Jennifer Ping, the Republican Vice-Chair of the Marion County Central Committee. I was asking her what Republicans were doing on the ground in Indiana. The story I’d heard, I told her, was that Obama had a huge ground game there but McCain and the Republicans did not. Was that true? I asked.
After all, Democrats registered the overwhelming majority of the 706,038 newly registered and info-updated Indianans Hoosiers in 2008.
Jennifer told me that they were working hard, and that they still got three “touches” on their voters each year. “Touch” is a field term for voter contact, and as naughty as it sounds, it’s the way campaigns and parties maintain their voter files throughout the year. It’s very difficult for parties to maintain voter files – literally the most valuable property any state party or national party owns – without regular contact. It’s why Democrats have recently put an emphasis on a long-term 50-state program, because these things can’t be built overnight. Getting tired of losing national elections inspires that kind of strategy revision.
In New Albany, right across the Ohio River from Louisville, we saw an effort that included weeknight canvassers and phone bankers, just the customary grinding voter contact game these Obama organizers have perfected.
Another thing Jennifer told me was that the Democrats did not, contrary to their claims, have an office in Columbus, Indiana, that it was “just a desk.” Well, after we stopped in New Albany, we zipped up to the Obama Columbus office and found it both open and busy. Jonathan Swain, Barack Obama’s Communications Director, noted that it was one of 43 field offices open around the state, with the potential for a couple more to be added in the final weeks. In all 92 Indiana counties, Swain said, “Barack Obama always intended to compete and compete hard.”
Obama moved into high gear in the Hoosier State in mid-June, only a few weeks after the May 6 primary, and the ability to have a late primary allowed Obama to essentially continue operating at full bore right from the getgo. With unemployment in Indiana at its highest rate since 1987 and average wages down $4,000 since Bush took office in 2000, Swain said,
Still, Swain acknowledges it's an uphill fight. "History was not on our side" when the campaign decided to work a large campaign here. When the polls were a little tighter, many criticized the Obama effort, arguing that Indiana couldn't possibly go blue, and that working the ground here is a waste of resources. Instead, we have a race that, in Dan Rather-speak, is as tight as a tick. Recent polls have showed the race within the margin of error, and the Obama campaign is confident that in a coin flip race -- a better ground game can make the difference.
Still, Democrats have to be considered the underdog here. Indiana hasn't gone blue since 1964 in LBJ's landslide year, and Republicans won by roughly 510,000 votes in 2004. Still, if we apply our 80-20 split on the self-selecting new Obama registrants (80% Obama registrants, 20% McCain) and a 75% turnout rate (newly registered voters vote in higher rates than regularly registered voters), then Obama just added approximately 318,000 votes in Indiana. Now the challenge is to get about 100,000 existingly-registered Bush voters to switch to Obama, approximately 4% of the roughly 2.5 million Indiana voters from 2004.
We'll be back in Indiana before the end, we suspect, as this could be one of Election night's great dramatic stories. Locals in Lake County predicted a long night, especially as Republicans have resisted early voting centers in Gary and Hammond, Democratic strongholds and the 5th and 6th biggest Indiana cities.
My smashed laptop in tow (and really, what a great debate hosting effort by Belmont University, once again, it was awesome to have five different people flatly refuse us access to even a restroom after we'd had to sit for hours behind a 14-car pileup on I-65), we're already at Barack Obama's Dayton, Ohio rally, and we're headed toward the Palin rally in Wilmington later this afternoon.



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One thing about the WV ARG poll:
They polled WV a month ago, and only had Obama down 4. This was in line with CNN (-4) and Blankenship (-5). A week later and 3 months earlier, Rasmussen was higher at -8. That's the totality of WV polling since Obama won the primary.
In sum:
-8
-4
-4
-5
-8
Average of -5.8. Remove the Rasmussen -8 from June 2nd, and all recent polling has an average of -5.25. With the dramatic national shift that we've scene, specifically in places like Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, even Ohio, it's certainly possible that Obama is winning in WV. Maybe Obama's recent gains in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Virginia, and North Carolina have been in the Appalachian areas? If this is true, a positive WV poll wouldn't be that unreasonable.
Obviously, we need more polling from firms besides ARG to confirm this, but I guess it's not completely crazy.
I was just watching the McCain/Palin KKK rally in Wisconsin.
These people are HATEFUL.
Does anyone else think this is going to spill over to violence soon?
"I am a bit confused by the trackers today, Ras down another tick, to Obama +5, Gallup0 maintaining an 11 point gap. Thats a pretty big divergence. Before I chalked some of the divergence in the polls to people not having decided yet. I am not quite sure what to put it down to at the moment. Just house effects?"
A few thoughts as to the difference.
1) Rasmussen weights by Party ID and Gallup doesn't. Because of this, Gallup will fluctuate more, picking up changes in Party ID more quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of people identifying as Republicans has declined a bit in the past week or two as McCain has thoroughly abandoned any pretense of economic conservative principles (voting for the bailout, his proposal to buy bad mortgages). Scott Rasmussen has hinted that the gap in Party ID he's seen recently (last 1-2 weeks) may be closer to D+9 than to the D+6 that he's using. If so, that'd explain about half the difference right there.
2) Rasmussen uses Likely Voters, whereas Gallup uses Registered Voters. Conventional wisdom suggests that the latter is stronger for Obama than the former. From what I've seen recently of polls that show both, though, I'm skeptical that this is much of a difference this election.
3) Cell phones. Gallup claims to include cell-phone only users in their polls. I don't think that Rasmussen does (but I could be wrong about that). Some studies suggest that this could explain another 2-3 points of difference.
4) Rasmussen pushes undecideds harder than most other pollsters. It may be worth noting that the bigger difference in the two results is in McCain support (45-41) as opposed to Obama support, where Gallup only has him 2 points higher than Ras (52-50).
Tying 4) to 1), what we could be seeing recently is a softening of Republican support for McCain, which Gallup could be moving to "undecided" while Rasmussen is moving this people, essentially, from solidly McCain to "leaning" McCain.
But that's all probably far too much thought to have given what is at least fairly likely to simply be random statistical noise.
I was enjoying that AP article until I got to this part:
"To an important degree, however, race is still the elephant in the polling booth, experts say, and according to a recent Stanford University poll, Obama could lose six points on election day due to his color."
Actually, that poll said Obama has lost those six points, but of course, the media keeps things "interesting" so it distorts the numbers to hype the Bradley Effect myth.
I just voted in Indiana. No problems (except for the guy talking on a cell phone right in front of a sign that said "Please turn off all cell phones," who got chewed out by a poll worker).
Today's NYT lists Indiana as one of the states where voters are being removed from voter rolls illegally. Fortunately we have early voting, so if this turns out to be a problem we should be hearing about it long before Nov. 4. So far neither I nor anyone else I know who has voted has had a problem.
I thought about this number of newly registered voters in Indiana a few weeks ago in the same manner that was done above. I feel that the 80:20 ratio of newly registered voters for Obama is overly conservative since Indiana probably has many hidden Democrats. Indiana has not even been close to being a blue state in 40 years. If you were a Democrat in Indiana for the last 10-20, you probably have not cared to vote or even registered to vote. All of these previously apathetic Indiana Democratic voters will be out with a chance to make Indiana blue for the first time in a long time.
Those ARG New Hampshire weightings are pretty much on target. Republicans have a 0.5% registration advantage as of mid-August, the last date published by the NH Sec. of State.
What is more disturbing, violence or apathy?
I am outraged by the hate inciting tactics of McCain, Palin, et al. But somehow I am happy that people on both sides (mainly Obama's side actually) are powerfully engaged this year.
The violence will really start if Obama maintains his lead in the polls and somehow loses. I would expect (hope for) riots.
What is more disturbing, violence or apathy?
Violence.
Next question.
black guy in McCain rally asking McCain to attack Obama
"Real Joe said...
black guy in McCain rally asking McCain to attack Obama"
lmao, this guy is obviously a paid plant ...
I saw that joe. I wonder why McCain felt it necessary to hug him.
Man, I'm close by, I should've gone down to the McPalin rally just to protest.
ha ha
Sean: When you go to the Palin rally, could you give us some idea if Palin is drawing large crowds still? I'm hoping the crowd size is shrinking as the crazy increases.
This is from way before, Jack be Nimble's comment:"In my opinion, you should be a stakeholder in the country to vote. That means you should have a job or own property."
Well, in my opinion, only Greek Gorgon ladies with snakes growing on their heads should be allowed to vote.
WI is blue
i don't see it going for McCain unless something "major" happens in the next 25 days
RCP has finally capitulated and Obama now wins the election under the Electoral count map!
I won't be here when the polling report comes out tonight, so someone else will have to take my place.
Please mention:
-how blue the map is
-how good the news is for barack obama (!!!)
-How george bush led John Kerry in tracking four years ago
-How the 'cons should be getting nervous
-How many days it's been since the fundamental shift toward mccain/palin
-President elect HUSSEIN
MATT J. H.:
I'm the biggest Obama supporter their is, but I do respect McCain. I know he's run a viscous campaign, but I have no doubt its tearing him up having to run the kind of campaign he's running. Putting his wife on the stump to tear down Obama, ridiculous.
I've never respected him, and his "honorable" reputation is largely a myth of his own making, bolstered by his willingness to be friendly with the Washington press corps so they excuse his faults. He was nicknamed "McNasty" all the way back in high school. I doubt anything is tearing him up except losing. Nothing is making him run a vicious smear campaign, hire Rove proteges, and repeat statements that have long since been proven false. The idea that he "has" to do this is ridiculous. He chose to do it because he thought it might work.
Character is not demonstrated by how you behave when everyone likes you and things are going your way. It's easy to be nice and noble then. It's revealed by how you behave when times are tough for you, whether you stick to your principles or throw it all away and do "whatever it takes."
This is the real John McCain, not 2000. I'm just glad we all got to see it before it was too late.
"He's an old man that's been through a lot. He's having to try to keep up with Obama in this sprint to the finish. He's way behind and can taste defeat. I imagine it's really difficult to work the circuit at this point for him. Today was his worst performance I can remeber since the green screen back in June. He's been awful today. He sounds like he's reading a sript and doesn't want to be there."
Give McCain a year and he will be apologizing for this campaign. As an understanding American, I'll cut him some slack because he's 72 and it's his last kick at the can, but after the dust settles, he must apologize to Obama and the country for the hateful nonsense that's coming out of these rallies.
as a republican i believe every american should have the right to vote
McCain needs to attack
so far i don't see any significant movement in the polls
lets see what happens by next week
Here is what you Obama lovers need to know right now.
There is a viscer disdain for Obama from the right that is building. It has nothing to do with his race btw. It has to do with the fact that his is a left wing radical that is parading as a centrist. Blogs like Dkos know this and are laughing all the way to the white house. They know who he is an agree with his true socialist intentions. If Obama is elected he will start out with no honeymoon and deep resentment regarding his deception. If he goes far enough, there will be a backlash that makes 1994 Hillarycare election-look like a dem year. Even McGovern who is very far left has an ad out decrying Obama's proposal to take away the private ballot in union voting.
Wow now Jackass-be-nimble wants to return to 19th century style suffrage-for-property-owners-only?
I knew the neo-fascist portion of the republiCon party would be willing to do almost anything to attain power, but jesus I didn't think they'd be so open about it.
The media needs to call McCain and Palin out on their violent hatefests. The language is borderline lynch mob. Can you think of anything less presidential than this? I like to trust in the fact that we have evolved as a country and see past the hate. Please reassure me.
I believe every citizen has a responsibility to vote. That goes beyond just showing up and marking a box, but involves becoming educated on the issues, candidates, and legislation that you will be voting on.
People far too often do not understand what they are voting for.
Jack, everything that Obama has ever done in public life has indicated he is a very pragmatic non-idealogue. The fact the he shares an interest in supporting impoverished schools with a man who committed crimes 35 years ago doesn't change that.
Give McCain a year and he will be apologizing for this campaign. As an understanding American, I'll cut him some slack because he's 72 and it's his last kick at the can...
Great apology performances are what McCain does best; his contrition for the Keating 5 was what launched him to prominence (which makes his campaign's recent claim that he did nothing wrong then all the more bizarre.) He's great at saying he's sorry, but his actions rarely demonstrate it.
If he actually works to heal what he's done after the election, I could forgive him, but words aren't going to be enough.
I hear all the Chicago mobsters are going to go to Indiana to vote for their fellow scumbag Obama.
Dmitry--thanks for raising the level of the discussion
Dmitry:
Enjoy 8 years of President Barack Hussein Obama you republiClown prick.
You fascist assholes are done. DONE.
Obama was a member of the Socialist party.
Obama and the party will pay a huge price for deceiving the American people. Look for an equal and opposite reaction to them.
Dmitry (Joe McCarthy Redux)
Keep pushing those made-up smear arguments you clowns. Just goes to show how weak your candidate is.
i am in love with that girl in the photo.
my goodness.
nam, welcome.
nc_voter, yes I'm sure you dipshit dimwit fucktard will show us how to be true vote suppressing fascist you are. Scumbag.
You're the clown.
these trolls think they are getting under someones skin, but the fact that every new day is Good News for Barack Obama is driving them further off the deep in is pure satisfaction for us all. I love seeing their desperate and delusional hatred.
jack be nimble is conceding the race LMAO
thanks guy, yeah we know. Our guy is the next president.
U MAD? LOL
Dmitry also has the inability to recognize sarcasm. Your welcome.
OK,
the hater trolls are here so I am out.
PS. hater trolls, I understand your anger, but I do not condone your tactics. This is a civilized society and a rare civilized discussion board. Have respect for us, yourselves, and our country. Your vitriol reflects poorly on all of us.
Dmitry, Bush, McCain and their party ARE paying a huge price for deceiving the American people.
It's sad how you stupid worthless liberals don't care how Obama and his thugs are stealing the election. Instead you resort to name calling. Pathetic, disgusting, yet unsurprising.
Why do you change the subject?
dmitry you really dont get it.
Your rovian voter fraud isn't going to save you this year.
You fascists are done. It's over. Your lynch mob should go home because America is finally taking a stand against you clowns.
I am thoroughly enjoying your bitter and vicious replies. Must suck to be in McCain's position in the polls, right? LOL
Its going so badly for the republicans, that even McCain and Palin themselves have deteriorated into lame net trolls on the campaign trail.
Cindy McCain even is out there trolling. lol.
nam vet got his brains blown out and can't spell "you're".
nam vet got his brains blown out and can't spell "you're".
Obama is good at "stealing" elections. You know, the kind of "stealing" that involves getting more votes than the other candidate. LOL!
Dmitry:
What's it like knowing that your joke of a candidate is getting his ass handed to him by someone 25 years younger than him!
It must enrage you just to think about President Barack Hussein Obama!
Get used to saying it!
Dmitry said...
Obama was a member of the Socialist party.
*************
@Dmitry
Yes and pigs fly.
but before Dmitry goes on and on and on,can someone please check whether Dmitry is Wednesday's "wounded soldier" and tuesday's "rev.Wright"...'couse I smell something coming from the kitchen...
Thank you for your service Dmitry
God help us. I don't think I can bear the next 3 weeks if this is the tip of the iceberg. John McCain, if you are an honorable man, you will cease the character assassination and debate like a man on the issues. I bought your book, Mr. McCain, and I'm starting to feel like your whole career was a farce -- a power grab. Prove me wrong.
Lets laugh at the trolls. They already feel silly, lets enjoy the empty self parody they have become of themselves.
There is absolutely nothing they can blabber to put a spin on the reality, so i'm going to enjoy mocking them in their delusions lol.
Dmitry never was a soldier.
He's most likely some punkass 14 year old freeptard in his mama's West Virginia basement scared to death of President Barack Hussein Obama and the end of their neo-fascist bullshit.
Let me tell you one thing.
If anything---ANYTHING---happens to Obama after the tone McCain and Palin have taken, this country will see things that it has not seen since the Civil War.
You can be sure of that.
i agree @ subterranean.
My wife actually told me to stock up on ammo last night.
To a lot of us, Obama feels like a last tattered shred of sanity in a social fabric that has unraveled almost completely.
Spit on that, and you're looking at a lot of people who feel like they've got nothing more to lose here...and a lot of anger to vent.
Jack-be-nimble:
There is a viscer disdain for Obama from the right that is building. It has nothing to do with his race btw.
You are correct that there is a visceral disdain for him on the right, but it also has nothing to do with policy. The only thing that holds the diverse factions of the conservative movement together is their hatred of liberals. Everything else is just buzzwords.
And you are correct that he will get no honeymoon from conservatives, but again, it is not because of policy, it's because the only thing they do well is oppose. And you're sorely mistaken that it is based on some sort of "backlash" from the American public. Based on polling of the issues, the conservative conviction that this is a conservative country is a delusion; large majorities of voters support the liberal positions on most major issues. That is why conservatives try to run campaigns based on personality and "character" rather than issues. Talk radio has succeeded in demonizing the word liberal, but utterly failed at demonizing the ideas it represents.
But please, keep supporting candidates who believe that a majority of voters really agree with the conservative line, and the only problem is candidates who aren't conservative enough. It's causing the Republican party here in Virginia to go straight down the tubes, and in other states as well, from what I read. The longer the GOP takes to recover its sanity, the bigger a hole it will have to dig itself out of, and that's just fine with me.
Here's an interesting question: Will RCP include the ARG poll showing an Obama lead in WV? After all, they did include ARG state polls last week - when those polls were running better for McCain than everything else.
I don't find the ARG polls to be credible. But they should be treated consistently. If RCP doesn't include this batch, then I think it's pretty clear that they are cherry-picking based on the results.
Let me tell you one thing.
If anything---ANYTHING---happens to Obama after the tone McCain and Palin have taken, this country will see things that it has not seen since the Civil War.
You can be sure of that.
More like 1968.
The numbers on the left just changed. Methinks a polling update thread is imminent.
nc_voter, yes I'm sure you dipshit dimwit fucktard will show us how to be true vote suppressing fascist you are. Scumbag.
Dmitry obviously belongs to the Sarah Palin school of sentence construction.
While waiting for the polling update, it's fun to peruse the new numbers. The big surprise: Obama is actually leading WV in the snapshot! He's still projected to lose the state slightly, but it's now a tossup.
This is largely because WV has had so little recent polling that the ARG poll actually has the highest weight. But the regression analysis also favors Obama there.
Welcome, braindead nam vet.
nc voter, I don't live in West Virginia, although anything better than Hicksville, NC where you are.
I just enjoy make Obamatards angry. It's the only thing the angry left know how to do, besides steal elections, beg, and commit criminal misdeeds.
Loser democrats, why don't you stop frothing at the mouth and elevate the discourse.
Try by not calling everyone who disagrees with you Rovian, or a neo con fascists.
Ironic that it is YOUR tactics that are fascist.
Stupid confused Dimocrat fucktards.
Obama was a member of the Socialist party.
There's no evidence for that. But there is evidence that Palin -- even if not a member -- was a supporter of a Secessionist party.
Nice piece Sean.
Regarding the Hoosier thing, I thought that there were areas in Indiana that didn't like being called "Hoosiers". I remember reading somewhere awhile back that unless you were from Indiana, it's best not to use that term.
bass, at least I can spell. And my sentence construction is grammatical.
THANKS for the compliment!
Ding!
How you folks seen what the betting public is doing in the "swing states" at Intrade. Obama is favored in all of them. Every one, He's even got a 48 spot in Indiana and a 30 spot in West Virginia. He's up over 90% in Michigan and around 70 in places like Colorado, Virginia, Ohio, Florida, Nevada. 50+ in NC and 50 or so in Mizzou.
McCain the Great Apologist is right. I was wondering about the needed apology for the c### name to his wife (since is was done in front of people outside of his family)? And was that about the same time his primary campaign had him flying coach on American?
Redshift, as a former Virginian and centrist who got totally turned off by the nut-wing of the Republican Party and am now a proud Democrat, well said!
Actually, there is. Obama is a socialist.
Hope none of you Dimocrats have any assets, cause they'll get confiscated.
Intelligent people should just ignore people like dmitry. Do not engage them in a civilized conversation.
Actually, there is. Obama is a socialist.
Link please...
recent comments from McCain/Palin are disappointing
There's no evidence for that. But there is evidence that Palin -- even if not a member -- was a supporter of a Secessionist party.
And married to someone who was a confirmed member until she ran for governor.
Time to short sell Obama!
Zing!
@real joe - recent comments from McCain/Palin are disappointing
Are you referring to comments made today? I haven't read anything yet... have a link?
Obama joined the New Party, a wing of the Democratic Socialists of America.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/10/08/will-msm-report-obama-membership-socialist-new-party
Oh SNAP!
Will the blue win% pacman NEVER be sated?
You NoBama fools make me laugh. The guy's not only a socailist follower of Karl Marx, but grew up being trained in the jihadi arts while in an Indonesian madrassa. Any moron knows that.
What's next? Bill Ayers as his Chief of Staff?
Fools.
Ding!!
the tone of the campaign is disturbing
very sad :-(
Ha Ha, Sean has updated his post from earlier with Hoosiers instead of Indianians. Looks like he got a lot of emails.
Well, I guess Obama has to be President. No one else will employ him, not after a background check.
BURNED!
WEST VIRGINIA VOTER REGISTRATION - GENERAL ELECTION 2006
Provided by the Office of the West Virginia Secretary of State
Republican 342,970
% of Total 30.15
Democrat648,899
% of Total 57.05
* Information gathered from the Statewide Voter Registration System
Sounds like if anything the poll showing O+8 is undershooting.
Uh, the guy who is impersonating me did not spell "socialist" correctly. I, on the other hand, did not.
I embrace the message of the impersonator, although I prefer to address the Dimo rat traitors as scumbags and retards, although I certainly agree that they are fools.
Later.
trevor
there is a large hate vote in WV
Mr. McCain, and I'm starting to feel like your whole career was a farce -- a power grab. Prove me wrong.
Welcome to club finding out the truth about McShame
McCain's mistake is that he thinks this election is 2000 or 2004. He thinks it a base election. If it is, he loses. All this off with his head kill him nonsense at these rallies.
It's an independents election.
Before I go...
Sarah Palin will make an excellent POTUS in 2012. Assuming McCain loses, it will set the stage for her triumphant return on the backs of Evangelicals and real Americans.
I see her as a blend of Joan of Arc and Golda Meir. Sheer genius.
SLAM!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrATS6o95BI&NR=1
Obama is a muslim.
PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE!
KA CHING!
Yes, Dmitry, clearly you should let Drudge know about that *damning* evidence. If HE doesn't report it, clearly it's evidence of a massive fascist media cover-up!
I see the traitors have given up their attempt to counter both dmitrys.
I understand. You give up. Your concession is accepted.
As will the food at the concession stand you work at.
"it will set the stage for her triumphant return on the backs of Evangelicals and real Americans."
By which of course you mean white Americans. Whose percentage is shrinking 1% per year. Can't wait til those dirty immigrants turn Texas blue in four or eight years. How's it feel to be fighting against the tide?
THere is a story on the boston herald site quoting Zogby as don't believe the hype regarding Obama's lead in the polls. He uses the 1980 election as evidence. Saying that people didn't break for Reagan until the Sunday before the election.
Is it the same now?
Dimo rats can't post without saying fascist at least once. Pathetic. Lamer than that failure of a president, Roosevelt. The lame Roosevelt, not the cool one.
"he concession stand you work at"
oops...I meant, "where you work".
I'm an uneducated redneck; what do you expect?
adam, how's it feel waving a white flag all the time?
Bowiemom,
The 1980 election involved an unpopular incumbent with very bad economic conditions against an outsider who people didn't know they could trust. After the only debate, which was the week before the election, he won people's trust and opened a large lead that was previously tied.
Are there any parallels here? You tell me. :)
"how's it feel waving a white flag all the time?"
We're on the way to a crushing victory. You've stopped even pretending this election is in doubt. I have to say, it feels pretty damn good.
I see. Screwing with my posts is the only way you can argue, moronic Dimo rats.
You lose. As will Obama come November. As has Kerry. As has Gore.
SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bowiemom:
Let's hook up later. Where you at?
Bang!!!
adam, too bad you're a pathetic loser in real life who depends on the success of others, like Obama, to give you a shred of self worth, which you don't deserve.
Go Jump off a bridge or something.
"As has Kerry"
oops, again...I meant "as did Kerry". Guess I shoulda learned them english better back in school.
bass, at least I can spell. And my sentence construction is grammatical.
THANKS for the compliment!
Ding!
Syntactic/semantic errors above:
1) Starting a sentence with a lower case letter.
2) Starting a sentence with a conjuction. Use the adverbial word or phrase in its stead.
3) "Grammatical" is an adjective meaning "pertaining to grammar". Perhaps you meant "grammatically correct"?
If you disagree with socialist policies, why do you support John McCain, who signed a socialist policy in the form of the bailout, and recently proposed another socialist policy in the form of buying troubled mortgages?
"the success of others, like Obama"
So, he's succeeding now, is he? Good to hear!
you Guys suck. All you can do is belitle others all the while trying to make yourselves feel better at my expense like Obama.
Palin '12.
KABOOM!!!!!!
"bass, at least I can spell."
"belitle"
Dimity: "Hope none of you Dimocrats have any assets, cause they'll get confiscated." --Grammatically incorrect sentence.
Dimity: "The guy's not only a socailist follower of Karl Marx, but grew up being trained in the jihadi arts while in an Indonesian madrassa. Any moron knows that."
Yes, morons do know that; however, smarter people who look into things before they believe them know these "facts" to be untrue. I guess the only moron here that believes that is you.
Jack-be-repetitive, why not just say that women shouldn't vote either, or non-whites; hell, why not come out and say only slave owners should be allowed to vote.
It is nice to be watching the implosion of the Republican Party and conservatism, and it is sure to get worse. The only problem is the violence and ignorant vitriol that goes along with its disintegration, and the fact that debating with right wingers like the morons above has become so much more boring. Where have all the smart conservatives gone? Jumped ship, I guess.
Say good bye to the sinking ship of conservatism.
I've decided that liberals are morally incapable of separating wrong from right. Marion County's eligible voter population is registered at 105%, and that's OK because you know, they're just combating those evil Republican tactics. And of course, what they call "voter fraud" is when election boards rightly purge the voter rolls of obvious frauds.
Marion County's eligible voter population is registered at 105%...
How do you figure?
"Marion County's eligible voter population is registered at 105%, and that's OK because you know, they're just combating those evil Republican tactics."
Actually, it's ok because people move in and out of cities and states, go off for college, etc and their names generally aren't removed from the rolls.
What's not ok is purging a voter because he registers as William and his DMV info says Bill. Which is what's going on in several states: cross-referencing all government databases and deleting anyone with even a single letter different in any field.
real joe--there is, minimally, a big defection of conservative Dems; but ARG only had a D+20 as opposed to a D+27 according to the state office.
Whether this defection is actual "hate" is hard to say; a third of the Dems in the state voted against Kerry, so it might not just be Robert-Byrd-before-he-was-reformed (if he was--he said "white n-word" on tv recently) types.
Way to go Joe Biden!!!
“John McCain could not bring himself to look Barack Obama in the eye and say the same things to him,” he added. “Well in my neighborhood, when you've got something to say to a guy, you look him in the eye and you say it to him!”
Oh yea, it's all Bill/William stuff. Got it. Just Republican elections clerk purging Dems on technicalities. Right. Dream on, barbarian.
dmitry said...
Before I go...
...Assuming McCain loses,
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assuming ???????????
http://www.intrade.com/
...then...go...
Adam said...
"bass, at least I can spell."
"belitle"
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Adam please,just for fun: check "Dmitry" "wounded soldier"and "rev.Wright" ID.
i Know you can...
:)
Actually, it's ok because people move in and out of cities and states, go off for college, etc and their names generally aren't removed from the rolls.
QFT. I moved away from a medium-sized CA county and was listed on their voter rolls and jury records for three years after I had left. In that time, I had legally registered twice in other jurisdictions, paid no taxes to CA, registered two cars in two jurisdictions and bought a house. Nevertheless, the county kept sending Jury summonses to me at my parents house. At one ponit when my mother tried to call to tell them I didn't live there any more, they didn't believe her and threatened to send the sheriff to arrest me for contempt of court! When they finally got around to removing me from the rolls, they screwed up yet again and removed my father instead (same first and last name, but I have a middle name).
@Aturi,
What part of the Keystone state are you canvassing in? I'm originally from the Pittsburgh suburbs and my family tells me that Allegheny County has new offices popping up everywhere. Do you know how the other counties around Pittsburgh are looking, specifically Beaver, Butler, Fayette, and Washington?
Thanks.
John- PUOSU. Thank you.
Dmitry has all the style and bling of a Bob Hope and Emeril Lagasse bastard child. I guess the next meme from the leper colony will be that Obama's a socialist. Interesting that the articles that Dmitry has linked to suggest that "New Party members and supported candidates won 16 of 23 races, including an at-large race for the Little Rock, Ark. City Council...."
Evidently, (a) the party isn't all that far out of the mainstream (since there are already a good number of 'members and supported candidates' in political office); (b) the endorsement of a political party doesn't imply or suggest that the candidate in question is a supporter of the views by the endorsing party.
Put differently, one cannot doubt that McCain has many reactionary parties supporting and endorsing him, including Focus on the Family and the Alaska Independence Party. That's just a part of politics. Baptists and bootleggers sometimes make good bedfellows. The issue boils down to the kind of commitment that one has to those parties.
Palin, by contrast, has endorsed and encouraged the AIP in their good work. She made a video encouraging them to keep pushing for succession.
That's fucking crazy. And she's almost as big a kozyol as Dim-itry.
I started reading this post thinking you'd finally give us some details on what the Republicans are up to. We KNOW the Obama ground game is first-rate. But what is McCain up to? Can we get some firsthand reporting, please? There's an information vacuum on the McCain grassroots!
I didn't know there were any cute Hoosiers in southern Indiana!
What is that office called?
"Babes for Obama"?
"Hot Mama, Obama"?
"Legs for Liberals"?
"Hot for Hope?"
(etc etc etc...)
The "Hoosiers" bit, the quintessential granfalloon.
I should know like Vonnegut, I'm also a Hoosier.
John Peterson said "I've decided that liberals are morally incapable of separating wrong from right. Marion County's eligible voter population is registered at 105%, and that's OK because you know, they're just combating those evil Republican tactics. And of course, what they call 'voter fraud' is when election boards rightly purge the voter rolls of obvious frauds."
John,
I've decided that, as a conservative, you cannot help but cherry-pick one fact to prove your point, when in fact what you cite (more registered voters than voting age population) is true in twenty-one other Indiana counties.
I took the 2007 Indiana estimate of population by county, available here, and multiplied the population by 0.75 to arrive at voting age population (except for Marion County, where I used 0.73, the official percentage from the US Census Bureau 2006 population estimate for Marion County).
I then took the Indiana voter registration figures as of April 30, 2008, available here, and I compared the figures. Here is the list of Indiana counties with more registered voters than voting age population:
Brown
Crawford
Delaware
Floyd
Franklin
Grant
Harrison
Howard
Jennings
Marion
Newton
Ohio
Orange
Perry
Pike
Ripley
Starke
Tipton
Union
Vanderburg
Warren
Warrick
Your argument that the rolls showing more registered voters in Marion county is evidence of Democratic voter fraud is false, unless you are going to assert that it also is evidence of fraud in twenty-one other counties (most of which are strongly Republican).
Voter rolls should be struck, but it is illegal under federal law to strike voter rolls now, as it is within 90 days of a general election for Federal office, 42 USC § 1973gg-6(c)(2)(A).
Go peddle your cherry-picked results somewhere else.
Today a co-worker, who is from MN, (I live in WI), asked me if which way Minnesota was going in the polls. I showed her the Projection map from this site as of yesterday. I then asked told her that her home state had only went Red once in the last 40 years. She was immediately dismayed and said" well you should be happy, you like Obama." Everyone knows I do as I wear Obama shirts to work. She then said, "Well, I think Obama is a terrorist-in-disguise." I was shocked. I didn't want to say anything to get myself fired, all I could come up with was "That is a horrible thing to say."
But you know, the worst part about it is that she is hot, and now, I cannot even be attracted to her anymore. Very sad.
I wonder how much impact native son David Letterman's constant hammering of McCain is having on the Hoosier State...
i so want to be optimistic about Ohio and Indiana, I truly do. But this concerns me a LOT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/us/politics/09voting.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5124&en=d33d06adde38e20c&ex=1381291200
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