10.17.2008

On the Road: Morgantown, "West By-God Virginia"

"The following midnight I took the Washington bus; wasted some time there wandering around; went out of my way to see the Blue Ridge; heard the bird of Shenandoah and visited Stonewall Jackson's grave; at dusk stood expectorating in the Kanawha and walked the hillbilly night of Charleston West Virginia."

-- Jack Kerouac, "On the Road"

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As we write this post, John McCain is projected to win West Virginia by 0.1%. Where did that come from? We had heard Joe Scarborough tell us the night of the West Virginia primary that Barack Obama couldn't win states like this. So once we were in Marietta, right across the river, we had to find out.

We stopped in the college town of Morgantown, on the first day of West Virginia early voting. Obama has six main offices, 14 satellite offices in the state, and Obama for America State Director Tom Vogel told us that during the GOTV phase, all 55 counties in the state will have early voting and weekend GOTV rallies. In Charleston on the 25th, for example, the campaign is holding a live music street fair just two blocks from an early voting location.

We met Beri Fox, a small business owner from Paden City, West Virginia, who voted for Bush twice but is supporting Barack Obama this time. Fox, who owns a glass manufacturing company in her Ohio River town, told us that her industry had been decimated by overseas competition. "Do you know how many glass manufacturing companies there used to be? 250. Then it dropped to 100. Today," she paused, "there are seven." Fox is supporting Obama because the economic trickle down policies Republicans have promulgated for thirty years haven't worked.



When we asked Vogel why he was confident about Obama's chances in a state nearly everyone had written off until the recent surge in polling, he pointed out that Democrats had 20 open offices, over 30 paid staff and thousands of volunteers. (McCain, by contrast, has one Charleston office open and one paid staffer.)

Vogel pointed out that West Virginia had voted for Dukakis and that was considered blue until Al Gore ignored the state. You have to show up here and meet the voters, Vogel noted. "Just eight years ago we were a blue state that suddenly went red. Now we're a red state going blue."

As for what to watch for on Election Night, Vogel said that Obama needed big turnout in the southern portion of the state, and that if Obama is even close to even in Putnam and Berkeley Counties, two traditional Republican strongholds, he would win the state. Putnam, just west of Charleston, went for George Bush by 25.5% in 2004, and won Berkeley, home of Martinsburg, by 26.8%.

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By chance we stumbled upon a Nader/Gonzalez office in Morgantown, and thought we might've had a real story to report. Peering in the locked office front, it looked as if nobody had been inside in weeks.

Whatever happens in West Virginia, it is clear the campaigns are taking the state seriously. Sarah Palin visited the state the other day, defending a state that was supposed to be John McCain's 190th electoral vote. Joe Biden, for his part says, "We're gonna win West by-God Virginia."

Even if West Virginia, whose polls close at 7:30 eastern on Election Night, is too close to call right out of the gate, John McCain is in for a long night.

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216 comments

Isaac said...

This is good news... for John McCain.

trevin said...

You're right. This is good news for John McCain.

The stress of the presidency would take years off his life. Now he will be able to go home to Sedona and rest.

Maureen said...

Thank you for posting these beautiful photographs. WVU is my alma mater.

OBAMA '08

Adrian said...

If anyone wants something to really worry about, read "Block the Vote" by Robert Kennedy and Greg Palast in the latest "Rolling Stone". It predicts that vast quantities of Democratic voters are going to be unexpectedly turned away at the polls on November 4th due to the GOP voter purge list. If Obama so far ahead in Nevada that he can afford to lose the 1 in 9 Democrats who have been purged due to misspellings? How about the more than 1 million ballots that will be discarded as "spoiled" because the antiquated voting machines in place in poor inner city areas tear ballots?

Vote said...

MN Senate Debate: Franken vs. Coleman vs. Barkley [Recap]

MN Senate Polling Graph

Obama 361, McCain 177

KIC said...

Adrian, this truly is my worst fear about this campaign.

Jack-be-nimble said...

I know it's inappropriate for a conservative to invoke any song for fear of being admonished by the liberal artist, but I would like to suggest a new theme song for Obama's campaign:

Slip sliddin' away......

oct said...

It is up to the local election officials to get people back onto the rolls by giving them a chance to update the incorrect information. It is too bad our country's democracy has failed and is still prone to partisan attacks.

This is the legacy of Bush, who benefited from these tactics and failed to correct them the last 8 years.

Nick said...

It predicts that vast quantities of Democratic voters are going to be unexpectedly turned away at the polls on November 4th due to the GOP voter purge list

Scary, but aren't provisional ballots universal now? Thanks to the Help America Vote Act? I would think this would help solve that issue.

I'm glad I get the chance to vote by mail -- I just got my ballot, and now all I taste is democracy. (...or envelope glue) Putting ink on paper never felt so fantastic.

Dr George Clinton Funkenstein said...

(McCain, by contrast, has one Charleston office open and one paid staffer.)


ONE MAN SURGE!


I'm sure that person has the entire state well under control.

Ed M. said...

I know it's inappropriate for a conservative to invoke any song for fear of being admonished by the liberal artist

Or you could just stick to suck.

Just reference John Rich playing "Raisin' McCain" over and over, and you guy wouldn't have this problem with copyright infringement. He doesn't care.

Alyssa said...

"Or you could just stick to suck."

I second this. You're much better at sucking.

(pause)

Jason said...

I have a very strong gut feeling that the republicans are going to steal this election by any means they can and will get away with it. All I know if I were in a state where the votes were going to be close I would ask for a paper ballot. I have a feeling the electronic voting machines are going to be rigged like a slot machine at a 3rd rate casino.

Adrian said...

Nick: "Scary, but aren't provisional ballots universal now? Thanks to the Help America Vote Act? I would think this would help solve that issue."

In 2004 3 million provisional ballots were cast. However, provisional ballots can be thrown away at "the discretion of the election officials", and of the 3 million 1/3 were thrown away without appeal. 1 million votes lost. HAVA is actually a big problem, because it allows the secretary of state of each state to eliminate anyone from the electoral role if any of their state ID doesn't match - for example if an address is updated on one piece of ID but not another, or if the clerk at the social security office or the DMV entered a typo in your name.

Davy said...

"I do, however, blame those of who allow yourselves to have your day ruined when Drudge moonlights as some kind of polling analyst."

It's not the polling that causes me pause. Drudge couldn't hit the mark in a phone booth swinging a dead cat. It's the clueless undecideds out there they've been interviewing since the debate that worries me. Did you know that the word gullible isn't in the dictionary?

Adrian said...

KIC: we need Obama to win by a huge margin just to make sure the Republicans can't steal it back. 2000 and 2004 were just too close, but if 2008 is like 2006 not even gross fraud and voter suppression will stop Obama.

Ed M. said...

I googled up that song and found a youtube video. This is just a matter of truth: Youtube commenters are the stupidest people on the face of the earth. They didn't like the song or McCain. Really, if you've lost youtube commenters yer done. It's over.

Jack-be-nimble said...

Uh-oh.......

Now, in a statement dated Friday because of the time difference, API Chief Editor Korir has promised that the tape will be made available after his lawyers clear it for publication, and he denied being an advocate either for or against Obama's campaign.

He said the delay also is intended to allow Michelle Obama to explain her actions first.

There was no response to a WND call to the Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago tonight to request a comment.

"A number of Americans who are die-hard Obama followers have tried their best to intimidate API using all kinds of threatening methods when they call in and when they e-mail us," the API statement said. "They are implying that API is planning to destroy Obama's chances to become the next U.S. president. API does not have a direct interest in the U.S. presidential elections and we want Obama supporters to understand that. However, when someone who may become the next first lady makes such comments as in the story we have published, the public have the right to know. Intimidation directed to the publishers of the story is not the answer.

"The delay to make public the recordings is expected to give time to Mrs. Obama to come clean and tell the American people that her comments were not meant to harm anyone but that she was reacting to the media pressure on her husband. She should also come out and tell the American people that she will not discriminate those who are not Obama fanatics if she becomes the first lady," the statement said.

Jack-be-nimble said...

Does anyone really doubt that there is a whitey tape?...............................

Phoeflame said...

Ahhh, another "issue-oriented" story from the fading right wing. I suggest you go here and place your bets with Julian, since I'm sure you'll be willing to put your money on the line to support this garbage.

Honestly, do you enjoy being a self-parody?

Shawn said...

Batman vs. The Penguin: The Debate

Brilliant interpretation of this election so far - scary actually. Who do you think is "Robin" in this election?

JB56 said...

Anyone see McCain's appearance on Letterman? Dave tore him a new one.

draNgNon said...

Does anyone really doubt that there is a whitey tape?

I'm sure there's one.

in your HEAD

Jack-be-nimble said...

Why yes...yes I do.....

Only conservatives have a sense of humor.

Drag-nasty liberals have a mean streak and need to be tranquilized.

Josh said...

I'm hoping to make it to the Obama rally tomorrow in Roanoke, VA. It'll be the first political rally I've ever been to.

Also I love that David Letterman brought up John McCain + G. Gordon Liddy = BFF tonight.

I sure hope Letterman bringing it up means that CNN will talk about it too.

Jack-be-nimble said...

How do you tell the liberal lesbian for the girlfrient?

She's the ugly one.

Redshift said...

Does anyone really doubt that there is a whitey tape?

How many times do you have to get duped by teasers on WingNutDaily before you give up? You certainly seem to be a glutton for punishment.

oct said...

Can someone delete J-B-N's posts? I don't read them anyway.

Ed M. said...

Now, in a statement dated Friday because of the time difference, API Chief Editor Korir has promised that the tape will be made available after his lawyers clear it for publication, and he denied being an advocate either for or against Obama's campaign.

I'm laughing my ass off right now.

Dude, can I have your email address? I'm the executor of a former African president who needs to funnel money. I'll give you a portion of it.

I've got a wordpress blog called the African Press International, that copies the African Press Agency, except I stick my own name in as the journalist. I've got a phony charity on my site doing the same sorta thing masquerading as a real charity.

Have you ever heard of Amway?

oct said...

Jack-be-numbnuts--

Q: What do you can a Republican after the 2008 election?

A: Unemployed.

John said...

Jack-be-nimble,

You know, I wondered who could be stupid enough to think that the "African Press International" site is a legitimate news source.

Now I know.

Jack-be-nimble said...

That's what Obama will do. That's right, he'll delete your posts if you say anything bad about him.

Typical liberal, wanting to stop free speech. A Chicago thugocracy.

Cugel said...

PPP's got a report titled "Where have all the PUMA's gone" pointing out in gruesome detail exactly what a flaming disaster the Sarah Palin pick has been for McCain:

"In our final pre-convention polls of seven battleground states John McCain was winning 87% of the vote from self identified Republicans while Barack Obama was getting just 78% from Democrats. On average McCain’s lead with voters of his own party was 14 points greater than Obama, and the discrepancy was particularly remarkable in Florida, Missouri, North Carolina, and Ohio. At that point McCain was winning in three of these states, losing in three of them, and tied in the seventh.

Now there is just a three point gap between the level of support McCain is getting from Republicans and that Obama is getting from Democrats. Obama has increased his average support within the party by 12% over the last two months while McCain has gained just a single point with voters in his.

One thing these numbers speak to is why Sarah Palin was such a poor choice of running mate for John McCain. For all the claims that she has motivated the Republican base the reality is that, enthusiastic about him or not, Republicans were already unified behind McCain before the convention. They would have come out to vote for him anyway out of dislike for Obama, and their unenthusiastic votes would have counted just the same as their enthusiastic ones.

He didn’t need to make a choice to mollify conservatives in the party who are less than enamored with him. Rather he needed to win over independents and conservative Democrats. But our polling has shown over and over again that Democratic voters really don’t like Palin, and that is particularly true with female voters who might have originally supported Hillary Clinton. The Palin pick has helped to unify support for Barack Obama among folks in his party."

Ed M. said...

No one deleted your posts, dipshit.

There is no reason to. You are a poster child for fail and a reason women over 40 shouldn't have children.

Jack-be-nimble said...

Look, Obama may not be as bad as Michelle, but she definately has some pent up hatred for The Man.

Mr Obama just wants power. He will have us all reading out of little red books. He will be our fearless leader......

Davy said...

Don't feed the trolls!

murrman said...

Hey Jack-Be-Nimble:

Here's some new music for your ipod-

"It's Over"- Roy Orbison
"Landslide"- Fleetwood Mac

enjoy!

Phoeflame said...

Sigh.

The Patriot Act and Free Speech: A Primer.

Thanks for playing.

Jack-be-nimble said...

They both were given opportunities by this country and all they can do is spit in the face of the flag.

Redshift said...

Yet another "conservative" who has no idea what the First Amendment actually means.

Josh said...

John McCain palls around with a criminal (G. Gordon Liddy.)

Jack-be-nimble said...

Do any of you really this country will elect someone who deep down can't stand much of what this country stands for?

There would have to be a majority of people that equally hate the country, to vote him in.

Ed M. said...

Jack, just to be clear, do you understand that the API is a bunch of bullshit now and you don't want to defend it?

Conversely, did you know beforehand it was a bunch of bullshit and trying to pass off bullshit thinking everyone else was rubes?

Pick one, that's the only two options. Liar or idiot.

Forrest J. Bowlick said...

Davy is absolutely right, people.

Don't feed the trolls.
Don't feed the trolls.

Repeat until the message is through, everyone.

Ed M. said...

Do any of you really this country will elect someone who deep down can't stand much of what this country stands for?

If he wins, he's what America stands for and if you don't like it I guess you suck it up.

Ed M. said...

Don't feed the trolls.

They have this delicious stomach exposed.

Want to kill them!!!

Cugel said...

When you look at the PPP results, you see exactly what has happened since the conventions.

1. McCain picked Palin, alienating Democratic conservatives and moderates, but exciting the base.

2. The economy collapsed ruining McCain's plans to run on personality, personal attacks and similar lying B.S., just like Bush did in 2004.

3. McCain's erratic performance ("I'm suspending my campaign, no I'm not! I'm canceling the debate, no I'll show up!") made voters see HIM rather than Obama as unpredictable and unstable.

4. Obama's sound performance in winning every debate slammed the door on McCain. No game changer!

5. The personal attacks simply made McCain look like he's out of touch and focused on complete crap that voters don't give a damn about instead of the economy.

All this amounts to a tsunami of blowout proportions. We're going to see more and more House and Senate seats submerged by the blue wave as well.

If Obama wins by 5 or 6% a LOT of house Republicans who think they are in reasonably decent shape right now will wake up to find they lost. Eight or 10 Senate seats (including Mississippi and Georgia) aren't totally out of the question and an 8 seat loss looks likely.

Republican misrule: it's a gift that keeps on giving!

Redshift said...

Don't feed the trolls!

Sorry, I should know better.

Love the post, Sean; I sent it to my one friend in WVa. She hadn't heard that the state is competitive, and is quite happy.

Kent said...

Theory on Cugel's report on base support:

Could it be that the Palin bounce was an insurge of the "base", flocking to someone who they feel represents their values, and what we're seeing now is the associated ebb as the more moderate, McCain v. 2000 (versus McCain v. 2008)supporters jump ship in the face of the more conservative policies he's been advocating? The net result is a wash.

Just John said...

Please.

People. Especially 538 newbies.

All the trolls want is attention.

You gain nothing by responding.

They gain everything.

Again, as a public service, we have three known viral trolls here at 538.

Jack-be-nimble
Petekent (and Petekent sockpuppet)
Right Wing Conspiricist

Some folks think He and SHE are trolls, but they are simply parodies of trolls. With enough practice, you'll see why.

They do not listen to reason, arguments or facts. It is pointless to engage them. It is painful to watch you engage them.

This post is even more attention than they deserve.

Thanks for listening. Back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Jack-be-nimble said...

Just to be clear......So you are saying you hate what this country stands for?

nm-layout said...

Guys, I'm really concerned about voter suppression. Seriously, I feel like the GOP will do anything and that the Dems aren't doing enough. They've already let this ACORN story blow up too much.

And between McCain on Letterman and Palin's upcoming SNL cameo, I'm afraid that they're getting chummy with the media again.

Not to mention my fear that all of these "undecideds" are actually just closet racists holding out on Obama.

This all sounds really paranoid, but I have a really bad feeling about Nov. 5th. Guess I just have to keep trying to GOTV.

Shawn said...

Zogby Tracker Out

Obama - 48.7
McCain - 43.7

Gain of M +0.5

Jack-be-nimble said...

Definition of a troll: Someone who you disagree with. This goes for both sides of the isle. They don't like me a DKOS or Redstate.

If you can't make an intelligent response, don't bother. If you don't understand parody, get a life.

Phoeflame said...

I've had enough of the "don't feed the trolls" lectures. Tell you what: if the troll responders bother you, then simply post "Don't feed the trolls" EVERY TIME THE TROLL POSTS if this will make you feel better. This will of course be a 24/7 job, since you can't expect everyone to sit and watch vitriol and bile flowing through a thread without someone responding eventually.

Either way, constant smacking down of the troll responders doesn't help.

Loralee said...

kent -- interesting theory. Probably some truth to it, though a few Dems in my neighborhood have McCain signs that cause me a great deal of confusion and distress.

Ed M. said...

I don't think you are a troll, Jack.

I think you are a sub-standard piece of shit, moron.

I look forward to electorally demolishing you, and if you poke your head up after that to make trouble rebelling, physically destroying you.

Best wishes.

Michael said...

Davy posted:

"Did you know that the word gullible isn't in the dictionary?"

Is that an attempt at a joke? Try dictionary.com. 5 results.

Sean, do you know of any plans by Obama or Biden to campaign in WV?

Just John said...

If we truly truly GOTV, then the R's voter suppression machine is not numble enough to defeat us. It is not widespread enough to thwart us in 7-10 states. It worked in OH in 2004 but only because the battlefield was contained.

It will not work for them this year if the battlegrounds are CO, MO, GA, FL, WV, NC, VA, IN, OH and all we have to do is win ONE of those states. Do your job between now and Nov. 4 and we'll be just fine.

Then all we D's have to do is stop ourselves from turning into an entrenched power-loving party and we'll all be fine.

Phoeflame said...

Davy posted:

"Did you know that the word gullible isn't in the dictionary?"

Is that an attempt at a joke? Try dictionary.com. 5 results.


Right...that's the whole punchline...that someone will be gullible enough to go look up...

Never mind. :)

Jack-be-nimble said...

I am very concerned about Barack's chances of winning.

I am afraid that people will find out that he will raise taxes after all.

I am afraid that people will find out that he will bankrupt the country with spending.

I am afraid that people will find out that they don't much like white people.

I am afraid that people will find out that he will bring a radical lefist agenda to the country that is to the wacky left of Hugo Chavez.

Help me be not afraid.....

Loralee said...

um, michael, yes it's a joke. and a very old one.

Shawn said...

@Michael - LOL

Yes it was a joke. Telling someone that gullible is not in the dictionary and said person goes and looks - makes them gullible.

It will hit you at any second!

Just John said...

Phoeflame - we gotta educate the people who are just discovering these internets. I'm sorry if the dnftt lectures are old, but that's the way I found out how to cope with their horseshit and I'd like others to learn as well.

Enough on this topic though. Isn't is freakin' awesome how McCain now has to stress about defending WV?

Peace.

Davy said...

@ michael

sorry dude.

Loralee said...

just john:
You make a good point and I feel a little better. Would you repeat it for the next couple weeks, please?

Jason said...

Obama might want to spend a little money to getting a "patrol" out to make sure there will be no funny business at the polling booths with the electronic machines, ect. This will be why he could lose. Obama has a great ground game but the GOP has a great theif game. I bet there are cronies fixing voter machines as I type.

I am a Obama supporter but I have a bad feeling that this will end up being a be a fixed election to epic preportions in favor of McCain.

Mark said...

Ahaha at the Zogby tracker shift. That's well inside the margin of error. Even if it is movement, I'd say McCain needed more from that debate than half a point.

God, it is going to feel good to laugh at the impotent rage of Bill O'Reilly on the Fifth of November. That's the best reason to pull for Franken in the Minnesota Senate race, dontcha know, you betcha?

Ed M. said...

I am afraid that people will find out that they don't much like white people.

Be very afraid, you pathetic piece of shit. It's the least you owe this country.

I gave up a first cousin in Iraq. I wish to hell someone you loved would die over your idiocy. No one is going to, but more is the pity.

Just John said...

And make no mistake. If McCain is getting out-organized in WV by a factor of 30-1, he is in trouble. Same goes for IN.

Kerry lost in 2004 purely on GOTV, turnout, and voter suppression, not on public opinion. Watch as things change this year, with two out of those three factors reversed.

Mark said...

Jason, if this election is stolen, there will be mass revolts.

Phoeflame said...

@Just John--fair enough. I just hate these nervous Internet tics of a troll posting constantly, someone finally responding and then people screeching "DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!!!111" Just gets old. But I hear you.

And hell yeah, McCain defending WV is awesome. Hard to believe, but awesome.

nm-layout said...

I dunno, it still makes me uneasy. I'm also worried about the momentum returning to McCain. Like I said before, he seems to be getting chummy with the press again.

Luckily, Obama has that 30-minute ad, and that'll definitely dominate the news cycle before the election. I'm still worried, though.

Just John said...

np loralee. Check back tomorrow for another version of the same thing. (538aholics, unite!)

oct said...

WV had an experiment with the Repubs and Bush. All their jobs were shipped to China by Bush with little remorse. Did it help the their state or was their state better off during the Clinton years? Don't be surprised if it swings back to Blue. The Clinton's can play a big role in WV, OH, and maybe AR.

broberts said...

On the subject of Palin. While the Republican base may have been behind McCain prior to her selection I think that there was real doubt as to the level of enthusiasm. Old soldiers are always fighting the last war and I suspect this is an example. 2008 is not really a get out the base election. The Palin pick was in part based on the premise that it would be.

Just John said...

phoeflame - if you can call what he's doing in WV "defending"

:o

Surely the money is running low in McCainville. Also a good thing to remember.

Mark said...

We need polling in Arkansas and Montana, and we need follow-up polling to confirm some surprise data in North Dakota and West Virginia...you betcha.

Shawn said...

There was a "rumor" a few days ago about Obama buying 30-minute blocks the day before the election too. Was that true?

Phoeflame said...

@nm-layout--what momentum? Two tracking polls tightening while two others widen, all before the debate results are factored in?

The MSM has picked up on the "McCain is in deep trouble" narrative, and they'll run with it until about a week before the election. Then just when the polls start to tighten, Obama does his half hour ad buy, the polls widen again, and then we have the election.

McCain vs. Obama is like an abacus trying to out-think Deep Blue. The abacus ain't winning that one, kids.

PorDem said...

I know this has been discussed before but how can Obama be winning among independents by 19% but only leading by 5 in the Zogby poll? WTF are the weightings??

Phoeflame said...

@Just John--look, the team that lost to the Florida high school team 91-0 was "defending." It wasn't, uh, working, at all, ever, but it was unquestionably "defending."

:)

Just John said...

mark - not just AR and MT and ND and WV. Give me more KY (lots of college folk) and IN too and a tad more GA with its 15 EV's.

But you're right: especially AR. It's a surrogate CO (as in Kerry states + IA + VA + AR = win).

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Jason said...

Mark,

The scary thing is like in 2000 & 2004 the media won't look into it and of course there will be "no proof". I really have a bad feeling about this.

broberts said...

@Shawn, not day before, Thursday before, but yes 30 minutes on, if I recall correctly, CBS, NBC and probably FOX. I read an article, LA Times I believe that said that MLB has agreed to delay game 6 by 15 minutes (presuming there is a game 6) to allow FOX to carry the spot.

oct said...

Next move for McCain. Does he pull back from PA and MN and focus everything into OH and FL? What message is McCain trying to make?

Joe the plumber is a farce. He is not a plumber. He is a loyal Repub and was all over their talk radio shows before the debate. Joe-not-a-plumber sounds like a Freeptard.

I cant believe that is the msg for McCain this week.

Rick said...

nm-layout said...
"I dunno, it still makes me uneasy. I'm also worried about the momentum returning to McCain. Like I said before, he seems to be getting chummy with the press again."

While I didn't get to watch the full Letterman show, I did see the clips on the Countdown as well as how often Letterman has ripped McCain since he was lied to. Letterman isn't letting McCain off easy by any stretch, nor will it be at all possible for Palin to somehow make herself look VP-material let alone Presidential on SNL.

At most McCain is trying to salvage some of his pride and self respect, but in doing so he is most likely going to have a large portion of his rabid base turn on him as they did when he tried to suggest that Obama is a decent person that they needn't fear. As for Ohio, while it is true they are aiming for voter suppression, it is also ultimately a Democrat in charge and while the Democrats might not be quite as organized at vote protection as the Replublicans are at trying to steal the votes, I leave you with this final bit of joy.

"Obama loses OH, wins election 78.51%"

I want Ohio to be midnight Blue when all is said and done, but fortunately Obama's campaign does not require this state as Kerry's ended up doing, nor is Obama's campaign showing any signs of complacency.

Forget a white christmas, I'm dreaming of a Blue Ohio!

Forget a

Just John said...

Any poll that keeps McCain within 5 is suspicious in its weighting.

Indies are flocking to Obama.

Undies are shrinking.

Pretty soon, we enter the no-changey-of-my-mindey zone and then things are REALLY over. That starts soon.

Phoeflame said...

You also have to remember that Obama's anti-voter suppression team is, like everything else in the supremely competent campaign, incredibly prepared and utterly professional. Unlike Kerry, Obama isn't just hoping things work out.

This guy cut his political teeth in Chicago, folks. He knows what he's up against and how to counter it. Or put it this way: have you seen one moment yet where his campaign has been seriously outflanked (and I don't mean an occasional bad moment...I mean a long-term blunder, such as the kind McCain's campaign is built on?

Just John said...

oct - Joe the Plumberish is backfiring on McCain.

His sewage makes McCain look bad, which is unfair for Mac, but I guess he asked for it.

Another way McCain took a perfectly good opening to attack Obama and then proceeded to f*ck it up royally.

Rick said...

BTW, in regards to the question of what to name "The Model", may I humbly suggest Deep Thought?

Forget a white christmas, I'm dreaming of a Blue Ohio!

PorDem said...

Are there any predictions for tomorrows national polls?

Gallup +7 in both the RV and LV2 and +4 with LV of old.

Ras will be +6.

Any thoughts?

Jason said...

Kentucky isn't going blue. A lot of people here don't even vote. If it doesn't have to do with horse racing or college football, people don't care. The ones that do vote are alot of die-hard republicans (which there is a lot of) and voters over 45. If the college crowd can get out of bed on election day they might make a dent but it won't be enough to make the state turn blue sadly.

PeixeGato said...

Blogger Shawn said...

There was a "rumor" a few days ago about Obama buying 30-minute blocks the day before the election too. Was that true?

I don't know if its true, but I read that the cost of the 30-minute spot will be about $1 million for each network (that sounded really low, but I have no basis for comparison). If it really is "just" $1 million per network, why wouldn't he do it, especially if he thinks it will help him in states like GA, WV, AR, NC, IN, and NV.

Everything about this campaign has been brilliant. Mark my words, a lot of what you are seeing with the Obama campaign will become the norm in future campaigns (i.e. advertising on X-Box games, 30-minute "commercials" on the major networks, platform parties, etc).

Loralee said...

Palin appearing on SNL will be meaningless, if for no other reason than that it won't be funny. It never is when the real pol meets their caricature (unless you're Cokie Roberts, and then it's HILARIOUS). Just think back to the lame cameo Hillary made. Boooriiiing.

oct said...

Did you see the Undecideds with Nora who all gave a thumbs down on Joe the plumber? LOL

MATT J. H. said...

18 days until Barack Obama is crowned the "Next President of the United States"

Bye bye republicans

you can have your chance back after President Obama fixes the incompetent disaster of the last 8 years of GOP rule.

Redshift said...

Jason:
Obama might want to spend a little money to getting a "patrol" out to make sure there will be no funny business at the polling booths with the electronic machines, ect.

He is. There's a full-scale election-protection program across the country.

These people do know what they're doing, really.

Just John said...

Since there's only six of us left awake and posting, here's this really long article I wouldn't usually post. Apologies. Laugh if so inclined.

From the NYT:

Senator John McCain, the Republican nominee for president, announced that he had dismissed his entire team of senior advisers. “All of their positions will now be held by a man named Joe the Plumber,” he cracked.

His rival, Senator Barack Obama, then made a confession about his past associations. “John McCain is onto something,” he said. “There was a point in my life when I started palling around with a pretty ugly crowd, I’ve got to be honest. These guys were serious deadbeats; they were lowlifes; they were unrepentant no-good punks. That’s right: I’ve been a member of the United States Senate.”

With a pair of rivals taking time away from the fray to swap jokes, it could only be the Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner in New York, the white-tie charity roast that has long served as a lighthearted rest stop on the road to the White House. It brought Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama together on Thursday night to dine and trade some jokes — some self-deprecating, some not so much — just one night after a debate so rough that many commentators could finally dust off all those boxing metaphors they had been saving up this year.

They poked fun at themselves — and each other — in consecutive monologues that had their audience of New York royalty at the Waldorf-Astoria in stitches.

Mr. McCain answered critics who said the Ohio plumber he made famous as a hardworking everyman in Wednesday night’s debate would not earn enough money to face any tax increase under Mr. Obama’s fiscal plan.

“What they don’t know — what they don’t know — is that Joe the Plumber recently signed a very lucrative contract with a wealthy couple to handle all the work on all 7 of their houses,” Mr. McCain said, in an allusion to a flap he caused last summer when he was unable to remember how many homes he and his wife own.

Scanning the crowd, he said, “Even in this room full of proud Manhattan Democrats, I can’t shake that feeling that some people here are pulling for me,” quickly adding, “I’m delighted to see you here tonight, Hillary,” as he nodded to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.

He also referred to the awkward moment in the second presidential debate when he disdainfully referred to Mr. Obama as “that one.”

“He doesn’t mind at all,” Mr. McCain said. “In fact, he even has a pet name for me: George Bush.”

Mr. Obama said his first name was actually Swahili for “that one.”

“There is no other crowd on America that I’d rather be palling around with right now,” he said. “It is often said that I share the politics of Alfred E. Smith and the ears of Alfred E. Newman.”

He poked fun at his reputation for arrogance, asking, “Can somebody tell me what happened to the Greek columns that I requested?”

And, looking toward his rival, he said, “I think it is a tribute to American democracy that with two weeks left and a hard-fought election, the two of us could come together, and sit down at the same dinner table without preconditions.”

markedman said...

I would really love to see what people like Jack Be Nimble and Pete Kent look like in real life

they must be the ugliest stupidest motherfuckers out there

Loralee said...

I didn't know about the XBox ads, LOL. The platform parties were brilliant and should absolutely become standard procedure for Dems.

swssbodhi said...

take me home, country roads!

Glad to hear Putnam county is up for this one. Obama has my Putnam County absentee ballot in the mail. Don't know how much hope he has there. Lot's of stubborn people, lot's of white people (myself included).

Green said...

Zogby track for Friday release:

O - 48.7
M - 43.7

0.5 gain from Thursday release for M.

"Obama widened his lead among independents, where he wins 52% support, compared to 33% for McCain. The two candidates have been battling to a near-tie each day among men, and today they are tied at 46% each. Among women, Obama leads by 10 points, 52% to 42%. He led by eight points among women yesterday.

Obama continues to win 19% support among conservative voters, while McCain wins only seven percent among liberals. Among moderates, a demographic that has substantially more Democrats than Republicans, Obama leads, 58% to 33% for McCain."

Paul

Rick said...

Redshift said...
"These people do know what they're doing, really."

Every action that the Obama campaign from the start of the Primaries on has shown that he and his campaign staff have put a great deal of effort into studying the system and past efforts to establish a winning plan and avoid past pitfalls. Yes, the turn the economy took was unexpectable and aided his campaign, but it still seems quite clear that the fact that his staff not only did their homework in full in advance but also has from day one made a study of their own activities and have adapted and perfected their ground game and other aspects shows that they would have kept this a competative race no matter what. Simply put they aren't walking into any of this blind and I have no doubt they planned for contingencies such as attempts at voter suppression in Ohio and Florida. I mean, those were blatent issues that most any layman that read a single newspaper shortly after the 2000 or 2004 elections could have warned them about.

Forget a white christmas, I'm dreaming of a Blue Ohio!

Just John said...

Now, if Obama is:

winning 93-7 in liberals
losing 81-19 in conservatives
winning 52-33 in independents

then he's ahead by a lot more than 5 points.

:) good numbers from Zogby the Atrocious Weighter

MoralMajoraty said...

Finaly we caught Michelle Obama speaking the truth. You people were too busy hanging muslum flags in the White House (as drapes) too notice that you nominated a nateralized citizen instead of a normal citizen!!! That is just like liberal huberis like always.

Loralee said...

Well, I outstayed the trolls. G'nite all!

Phoeflame said...

Seriously, how can you trust a guy with a name like Zogby?

Sounds like a washed up jai-alai player from the mid-eighties. "Zogby...off the wall!"

Loralee said...

Aw, damn.

Jason said...

Anyone else expect the MSM to pump up McCain over the next 2 weeks to make this thing close for ratings purposes? I fully expect for the news cycles to favor McCain & Palin in their efforts to try and make this a "nail biter" on election night.

broberts said...

MoralMajoraty, don't know how you stumbled into this site, you are obviously lost. Out our trolls are much more interesting and rarely post such easily debunked drivel.

Cugel said...

"Kent said...
Could it be that the Palin bounce was an insurge of the "base", flocking to someone who they feel represents their values, and what we're seeing now is the associated ebb as the more moderate, McCain v. 2000 (versus McCain v. 2008) supporters jump ship in the face of the more conservative policies he's been advocating? The net result is a wash."


NO.
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2008/10/where-have-all-pumas-gone.html

McCain hasn't gone down in the battleground states, at least not significantly, Obama has gone up! Democrats have flocked to Obama, Republicans were ALREADY with McCain and still are. There just are a lot fewer Republicans than in 2004.

McCain:
Colorado: pre-convention: 84-11 (among Republicans)
post-convention: 85-10 (R)
+1% gain in Republican party loyalty

Florida: pre-convention: 84-12(R)
Post-convention: 83-11 (R)
-1% loss in party loyalty

Colorado: pre-convention: 85-10 (R) +1% gain

Michigan: pre-convention: 87-9 (R) post-convention: 85-11 (R)
-2%

Miissour: pre-convention: 92-7 (R) post-convention: 92-7 (R)
-0% Unchanged

North Carolina: pre-convention: 86-6 (R) post-convention: 89-7 (R)
+2%

Ohio: pre-convention: 89-7 (R) post-convention: 89-8 (R)
-1%

Virginia: pre-convention: 89-8 (R) post-convention: 89-8 (R)
-0% Unchanged

Total Average: Preconvention: 87-9 post-convention:88-9
+1%

But look how Obama has surged!

Colorado:
pre-convention: 85-11 (D) post-convention: 89-7 (R)
+8%

Florida: pre-convention: 76-16 (R) post-convention: 81-15 (D)
+6%

Michigan: pre-convention: 84-8 (R) post-convention: 89-6 (D)
+6%

Missouri: pre-convention: 78-15 (R) post-convention: 89-7 (D)
+20%

North Carolina: pre-convention: 69-19 (R) post-convention: 79-18 (D)
+11%

Ohio: pre-convention: 75-17 (D) post-convention: 84-9 (D)
+15%

Virginia: pre-convention: 84-12 (D) post-convention: 91-6 (D)
+6%

Total Average: pre-convention: 78-14 (D) post-convention: 85-10
+11%

So, McCain increased his party loyalty by 1% and Obama by 11%!

NOW do you understand why Obama is winning in a landslide?

McCain's negative attacks have rallied the DEMOCRATIC BASE as well as the Republican!

In 2004 the same thing happened! Kerry got 89% of Republicans!

But, this year there are 6.3% MORE Democrats (Rasmussen) to 9% (PPP and R2000) than Republicans and Independents are voting Democratic.

OOOPS! Bad Strategery for McCain!

PeixeGato said...

This is when being on the west coast is great. Its "just" 11pm-ish here, lol.

MATT J. H. said...

McCain is down 5-10 points in Virginia and 4-8 points in Colorado. McCain needs both. The election is over.

Will it get closer, sure. It probably won't be a landslide. But its over.

Redshift said...

Phoeflame said...
Either way, constant smacking down of the troll responders doesn't help.

Actually, it can help quite a bit, as we've seen in the past 50 comments or so. But unfortunately, one of the few complaints I have with Nate and Sean is that they haven't yet implemented enough moderation to really maintain the conversation (Teresa Nielsen Hayden has a really good description of what's necessary.) It can be a lot of work, so I understand that it hasn't been a priority, but I hope maybe they can get to it after the election.

Until then, all we have is "don't feed the trolls."

Shawn said...

@Loralee - LOL

You had to start typing that message didn't you! What the hell is he talking about anyway?

dkan71 said...

man...it's a troll on troll war tonight...and i just stopped by tonight to express some pollster-groupie love for Sean and Brett's Excellent Election Adventure.

I'd like to hear more about JMc's ground game, but I'm sure you're doing what you can to gain access.

Keep up the good work fellas.

rikyrah said...

thanks for the report from WV. I'm truly in shock...happy, but in shock.

Cugel said...

Typo: Should read: Kerry got 89% of Democrats in 2004. Bush got 94% of Republicans and Kerry won Independents by 1%.

Bush won by 2.4%.

Bush also won the white vote by 17%.
McCain is winning it by at most 10%

The White vote is also smaller by perhaps 4% than in 2004.

RedHawksO4 said...

Darn straight. If West Virginia is close, McCain is in a load of trouble!

Debate Reaction: McCain Flounders


The End Of Conservatism As We Know It?

dkan71 said...

rikyrah...you're everywhere - snob, tnc and 538...i think we're following each other around the blogosphere...counting down the minutes until we hear the words "President-Elect Barack Obama."

oct said...

R.A.S.P.E

Regression
Analysis of
Senate and
Presidential
Elections

Joshua said...

For those of you concerned about GOP voter suppression, donate to MoveOn.Org: "The GOP is trying to purge Democratic voters off the rolls to steal the election in states like Ohio, Florida, and Colorado. Can you contribute $25 to protect this election—on the ground, on the air, and in court?" I just donated my $25. https://pol.moveon.org/donate/suppression.html?id=14429-9413038-esb.vDx&t=3

GaMeS said...

I really wish Nate would just get rid of the trolls. I understand that he started requiring a login to post specifically to discourage trolling, but if you never ban repeat violators, it has no effect.

Yes, it's a pain to keep banning them. They always come back because they have a stalker mentality ("You can't make me leave, bitch!") and, in extreme cases, they cross over into pure serial killer territory ("It puts the lotion in the BASKET!").

BTW, that last part should make you picture J-B-N dancing naked with his package tucked between his legs. That's right: He's angry that he was born with a penis, so he takes it out on those of us born with a brain. =)

(See Silence of the Lambs if you don't get the reference.)

Seriously, though, I do think that they literally get off on trolling. Really. As in typing with one hand and spending an awful lot of money on new keyboards.

I'm absolutely serious. I've worked for years as a paid moderator on a high-traffic site, and I seriously suspect that this is a literal fetish for these people ... a sort of mental sexual assault, if you will, turning to twisted control fantasies because they are unable to relate to other humans any other way.


Either way, they are sad, sad, sad little children in a very big, grown-up world. I pity them ... and yet I must admit to reveling in their abject misery, because there is a strange schadenfreude in watching those who gloated and crowed and bullied us for the past eight years slowly slide out of sanity and descend into dementia.


But seriously, trolls: Peace be with you, and I truly hope you find humans in real life who tolerate your presence so you won't need to come here for attention. =)

Phoeflame said...

@redshift--Nope, I don't agree. The lack of trolls came after a bunch of the troll responders, not after the smackdown. "Don't feed the trolls" rarely works. But who cares, since what matters is the pathetically sinking McCain campaign.

That, and my obscure "Zogby as jai-alai player" joke, which I will go to the mat to defend.

Shawn said...

Holy crap. I gave up on that Red Sox game and they came back to win! That sucks I missed that!

Phoeflame said...

@Shawn--I didn't. Boy, was that sweet. And fair warning--the Sox could still easily lose this series, but it is a bad, bad idea to let them off the mat. See Yankees in 2004, Indians in 2007, etc., etc.

Green said...

John Stewart just killed on the Joe Plumber story... very funny.

On a serious note seems Joe has the most conservative Bush-like opinions imaginable
- doesn't care that there were no WMD in Iraq, just likes that we got the job done(?) Whaaa?
- against Social Security as a concept... (hits his old mom too I guess)
- former member of the Natural Law Party (got on their site and couldn't make heads or tales

But best line "Joe The Plumber" has given more interviews to the press in one day than the total for Palin!!

Obama should find "Sam The Firefighter" and let him tell in his own words why Joe is full of shit.

Paul

MoralMajoraty said...

The proof is here:

http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/shocking-development-mrs-obama-decides-enough-is-enough-my-husband-was-born-in-hawaii-and-adopted-by-his-step-father-does-that-make-him-unpatriotic-she-asks-on-a-direct-telephone-to-api/

matador said...

Jack-be-nimble said...
“I am very concerned about Barack's chances of winning.”

-Don’t be, Obama is winning hands down.

”I am afraid that people will find out that he will raise taxes after all.”

-If you earn more than 250k you should,otherwise don’t worry

”I am afraid that people will find out that he will bankrupt the country with spending.”

-The country is already bankrupted (thanks McBush)so Obama can’t do worse.Relax.

”I am afraid that people will find out that they don't much like white people.”

-They do like “people” a lot. All people of all colours. Obama’s will give you an outstanding rainbow’s legislature.

”I am afraid that people will find out that he will bring a radical lefist agenda to the country that is to the wacky left of Hugo Chavez.”

-You can’t even find out Venezuela on a map.

”Help me be not afraid.....”

-I did my best, now you can:
- suspend your campaign in here, join together PeteCant and find out a job.
- Shoot yourself in the head. Your fear will end abruptly and nobody here will miss you.

Btw:Good job Sean, Sir Quinn.

Phoeflame said...

You know what, I've got a better response to the trolls, which simultaneously saves my obscure joke. Every one of my responses to a troll will involve spreading the equally vicious rumor that Zogby is actually a washed up jai-alai player.

That should keep them busy. ;)

LJay said...

@joshua

i hope someone tries to supress my vote here in FLA
so i can riot
and cause a scene
and slap someone
i refuse to be disenfranchised
and ya i donated today

Another Mike said...

Games, thanks for the mental images. I'll be having nightmares tonight.

Another Mike said...

That, and my obscure "Zogby as jai-alai player" joke, which I will go to the mat to defend.
-------------
I laughed.

none said...

oh "wacky left"?
yeah equally if not moreso "wacky far right"

touche yank troll. pot vs kettle mate.

Phoeflame said...

@Another Mike--Thank God someone got it. :)

matador said...

Phoeflame said...
@Another Mike--Thank God someone got it. :)

I got it too.
;)

Eric C said...

Green,

"The Natural Law Party was founded in 1992 in the United States by a group of educators, business leaders, and lawyers in Fairfield, Iowa who practiced Transcendental Meditation.[1] The Natural Law Party was a transnational political party with national branches in over 80 countries."

I'm trying to imagine Joe practicing yogic flying... not sure if that's part of their caucusing procedure, or what.

oct said...

Zogby playing jai-alai

Phoeflame said...

@Matador--Cool.
@oct--Beyond awesome. On the other side of his shirt you can see the crosstabs.

assmole said...

Read to the bottom of this article, 538-ers. Namecheck alert!

lilnev said...

Zogby's party weightings are kind of screwy. From memory, 38D-36R-26I, I think (I'm pretty sure it was just a 2 point D advantage). So if McCain is doing a few points better among R's than Obama is among D's, +19% among I's could translate into +5% overall.

The liberal-moderate-conservative split never matches the D-I-R. More people call themselves "conservative" than "dirty f'ing liberals", since Fox and talk radio have tried so hard to make that a dirty word. So more D's than R's identify as "moderate".

oct said...

I think Mooseberger is getting a little desperate to steal that EV in Maine.

God we should put Biden in Omaha to balance the Force.

assmole said...

To take a quote out of context, Sean: 'Fox is supporting Obama' -really??

assmole said...

Yeh, oct, the article is 9/10ths crap -only interesting now sean's name is now in it - they gave the Stephen King quote originally to Nate - a big boo-boo. Credit to 'thene' who brought this to our attention.

2much2lose said...

Wow, judging by the pics, West Virginia is a beautiful place. Gotta get out there someday.

2much2lose said...

Speaking of PeteKant being afraid.

The guy at the McCain rally who said he was "afraid to raise his kid in America" is probably the biggest sissy in the world. I mean really. He's a sissy.

assmole said...

2MUCH: Pete Kant and his friends can emigrate to Iraq -the surge has worked.

oct said...

Joe-not-a-plumber Graph LOL

The King quote cracks me up. ME-2 is a place fit for Palin and Todd to show their stuff. Did you see that dude in the gun shop who supports McCain-Palin? I bet he plays jai-alai on the side. Maybe that is petekent.

Phoeflame said...

You realize that would make PeteKent Zogby, right?

*boggle*

Goat said...
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Goat said...

Funny article about election Joes in the Guardian:

Joe article

[sorry thought I'd better re-post as a proper link]

CommieChemist said...

If you can stomach it, here is a video of Bill O'reilly kind of defending Obama against Laura Ingraham.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3154466&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/

Blame said...

Anybody still worying about voter supression?

1) It has only ever worked in close elections. This one isn't going to be.

2) Team Obama is well organised to stop it.

3) There just isn't the GOP enthusiasm. Their campaign offices are empty. Any GOP voter supression will be sporadic, disorganised & poorly thought out, just like the rest of their campaign.

Geoff said...

My poor, poor state of Indiana. It is blushing... embarrassed that not only Missouri but West Virginia are more likely to vote Democratic than is Indiana in this election.

Siiiiiigh...

CommieChemist said...

Geoff,

What part of Indiana you from?

I have done some phonebanking and canvassing out of Terre Haute...I was surprised at some of the real racist reactions toward O that I got over the telephone.

Rick said...

http://www.slate.com/id/2202428/

niedda said...

The Washington Post along with the majority of newspaper in the USA, including conservative one, is endorsing Barack Obama for President.

MaysonicWrites said...

The UIUC model (http://election08.cs.uiuc.edu/) has had WC solid for Obama for about a week now. They also have ND a tossup (with Obama favored 53:47). They have McCain winning Indiana handily(odds of 96:4).

Geoff said...

CommieChemist,

I'm in Lake County. & after driving through Martinsville dozens of times over the years, I am sadly not surprised to hear about racism in our state. But just getting in touch with them is a great start. At least the racists are hearing from someone like you, who mentions Obama, & then they have to hear themselves admit their vulgarities. It's a crucial first step to tolerance.

Ahhh, good old Terre Haute. Paper mills & donuts. You know Bloomington got its own Square Donuts a couple years back? No lie, they make a dank pastry.

Derek said...

You know... I wonder what the republican party's long term plans are for winning elections. Even though AA voters didn't support them, they definately have made that relationship worse. Then throw in hispanic voters and the recent immigration stuff and you have a really bad future. I mean, Bush did quite a bit of destruction to the republican brand already but the way McCain is running his campaign isn't helping.

notacrime said...

Gorgeous pictures. I love the Nader Gonzales office, the bright green paint right up against the red brick, fantastic.

I'm really tired of this 'election will be stolen' nonsense, it sounds like a lot of you WANT that to happen.

Seems to me that attitude enables the bad guys, in that clinging to the idea that 2004 was 'stolen' gives them cover for all this voter 'fraud' nonsense (it's not voter fraud until someone tries to vote.)

Suggestion for McCain campaign theme song: That Smell Lynyrd Skynyrd

Rick said...

That is actually my point in showing the link about voter suppression efforts. If we know WHY they want this so desperately, it is my hope that we can band together and not allow it to work. They can only "steal" the election if they can keep us from voting. If we turn out in greater numbers than they can discredit and we don't give into the fear they try to stir, then they can't win no matter what they do.

Forget a white christmas, I'm dreaming of a Blue Ohio!

WVBlue said...

Thank you for this informative post and beautiful pictures of West Virginia.

For those interested in more West Virginia campaign coverage, come visit West Virginia Blue

p smith said...

Today's polls will be interesting to see whether there is movement based on Obama's debate win or McCain's new strategy of Joe the plumber. Despite the fact that his real name is not Joe and he is not a plumber, you can't underestimate the stupidity of the American people to jump on board this crap as they did with Palin but it will be short lived.

I would however like to see the Obama team ramp things up. They cannot afford to coast and I liked the fact that they key message yesterday was "no complacency".

But what would really kill this race stone dead would be the endorsement of Colin Powell. If the Obama team can achieve one thing in the next few days, it should be Powell's endorsement.

fred said...

Letterman owned McCain last night. Must see TV!

http://www.cbs.com/late_show/video/video.php?cid=446418043&pid=uvFEu0pA5ULJIAvCLsVdV7VaJNCyq4Qh&category=editorial&play=true

Real Joe said...



Missouri

Economy Turns Twins, 86, First-Time Voters

Twins Say McCain Too Old For Presidency

Link

Real Joe said...

good morning guys

Real Joe said...

Pa. Democrats now outnumber GOP by almost 1.2 million

LINK

Real Joe said...

Obama, McCain expected at rallies in Virginia today, tomorrow

http://hamptonroads.com/2008/10/obama-mccain-expected-rallies-virginia-today-tomorrow

Rick said...

fred said...
"Letterman owned McCain last night. Must see TV!"

No arguments here. I'm still amazed that Senator McCain and his entire campaign are still clinging so desperately to the Bill Ayers story. Sure it plays well to the base that never would have supported Senator Obama anyways, but it really sounds so amazingly hollow and is getting to the point of being petulant, "But he didn't explain in detail every moment he spent with him!" and now to start calling Acorn the biggest tear in the fabric of democracy? Are these really the biggest and best guns his campaign can call up? Talk about pathetic.

BTW, for those that want the full scoop on Bill Ayers' history and in particular his relationship with Senator Obama, www.factcheck.org has a complete writeup of it.

Forget a white christmas, I'm dreaming of a Blue Ohio!

Arnaud said...

Obama lead by 19(!) points amoung indies in the zogby poll and he leads only by 5 overall?

What a joke.

Real Joe said...

arnaud said...
Obama lead by 19(!) points amoung indies in the zogby poll and he leads only by 5 overall?

What a joke.


hahahahaha

fred said...

Zogby is using 2004 party ID numbers. Frits Wentzel is pretty clearly a Repubican nut if you listen to their XM radio show. Frits must have good insider information on the repub vote killing efforts.

Real Joe said...

Bush should have been impeached: Donald Trump

Link

Real Joe said...



AP Poll: Voters souring on McCain, Obama stays steady


Link

Real Joe said...

McCain Surging ??

niedda said...

R2K tracking Obama leads by 10 points, yesterday was Obama52 M 41

musicman said...

Rasmussen Missouri:

Obama 52 McCain 46

matador said...

Real Joe said...
good morning guys

___________

@Joe.
good morning to you Joe.
I have been reading this site since at least 4 months.
Allways liked your posting.
Now, that it looks like you jumped on Obama's battleship ,I also like you as human being.
...don't let me down.
;)
bye.

Andy1979 said...

@R2K
But the single day result was "only" 50-44 yesterday. This poll go down in the next days. Not the best sign for Obama...

matador said...

Phoeflame said...
@Matador--Cool.
_________-

@Phoeflame

I am "latinos",that's why I know that game.
;)

matador said...

musicman said...
Rasmussen Missouri:

Obama 52 McCain 46

October 17, 2008 6:30 AM

-----------

balls explode !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Charles Crook said...

And Obama has 2 stops in Missouri scheduled for tomorrow. Where will McCain campaign today?

matador said...

Charles Crook said...
And Obama has 2 stops in Missouri scheduled for tomorrow. Where will McCain campaign today?

October 17, 2008 6:41 AM

----------

given that it looks like McCain lost his compass,probably He could be in Habana-Cuba
:P

Charles Crook said...

Close; he's in Miami & Melbourne Florida today.

Rick said...

Charles Crook said...
"Close; he's in Miami & Melbourne Florida today."

Picking out his retirement home (number 9?) for after he totally loses the election and has to spend some time pouting before he drags himself back into Washington to resume doing his job.

Forget a white christmas, I'm dreaming of a Blue Ohio!

Real Joe said...

musicman said...
Rasmussen Missouri:

Obama 52 McCain 46


DAMN.

Charles Crook said...

Miami Herald on McCain:

http://www.miamiherald.com/457/story/729621.html

He thinks the anti-Castro Latinos are still the only Latinos in Florida, so expect his speech to say "Castro bad, embargo good"

Real Joe said...

asmussen Missouri:

Obama 52 McCain 46

is this real ?

Charles Crook said...

Others have said that Rasmussen has a Republican bias. So if Ras says:

O 52 M 46

it could be much worse for John-boy than Rasmussen lets on.

Subterranean said...

McCain's ceiling appears to be 46-47% at this point. Low Republican enthusiasm and Palin problems will probably drag him a bit lower, but he'll get that 45-47%.

As long as BHO stays at 49-51%, it's all good.

joel said...

The race is tighening, R2000 poll McCain picked up 1 and was only down 6 in thursday`s polling.
You can assume 75% of the undecided are just McCain voters afraid to tell pollsters for fear of looking racist.
Still Obama is leading everywhere except the south so the results may be misleading and for him to win the electoral college would take a miracle.
My guess is rasmussen will be down to 3 today.

Hamilton said...

Let's Goooooo Mountaineers!

Another proud WVU alum for Obama. And those are gorgeous pictures.

Hamilton said...

Let's Goooooo Mountaineers!

Another proud WVU alum for Obama. And those are gorgeous pictures.

Real Joe said...

joel said...
The race is tighening, R2000 poll McCain picked up 1 and was only down 6 in thursday`s polling.
You can assume 75% of the undecided are just McCain voters afraid to tell pollsters for fear of looking racist.
Still Obama is leading everywhere except the south so the results may be misleading and for him to win the electoral college would take a miracle.
My guess is rasmussen will be down to 3 today.


hahahahaha

good news for McCain

Real Joe said...

McCain Surge !!

Real Joe said...

new thread

Charles Crook said...

Obama will be in Tampa Monday:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/state/article858345.ece

Interesting:

"According to the latest analysis by the University of Wisconsin Advertising Project, Obama aired 1,069 TV ads in the bay area from Sept. 28 to Oct. 4, while McCain aired just 369. Tampa Bay ranked as Obama's second-busiest TV market nationally, behind Las Vegas, while it didn't crack the top 10 markets for McCain."