10.24.2008

The Number That Explains It All

From yesterday's CBS/NYT poll:



Fifty-nine percent of registered voters think McCain's economics would favor the wealthy; just 11 percent the middle class. Far more than being a "center-right" country, this is a middle class country, and a candidate who fails to speak to the concerns of the middle class does so at his own peril.

Certainly to some extent, rough economic times favor the Democrats, at least when there's a Republican in the White House. But in general, I think the pundits have been too judicious; Obama has gotten too little credit, and McCain not enough blame, for their handling of the financial crisis.

McCain did himself no favors with his "fundamentals" comment, nor the "suspension" of his campaign. But the former might qualify as a capital-G gaffe -- McCain seemed to want to retract his words as soon as he uttered them -- and the later was a snap decision the implications of which were hard to see in advance. These were arguably errors of tactics rather than strategy, if you will.

There have been plenty of other occasions, however, on which McCain had plenty of time to contemplate his message, and wound up coming across as tone deaf. The failure to mention the phrase "middle class" even once during the three presidential debates was either brazen, incompetent, or both. The notion that a capital gains tax cut would be persuasive to middle class families was naive. Joe the Plumber is gimmicky, and seems that way to most Americans. And McCain's best talking point about the economy -- that of high energy prices -- has been strangely absent from the discussion on the post-Lehman economy, or has mutated into a strident catch phrase about offshore drilling.

Conversely, it is not as though Obama was Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney -- someone who was seen coming into this crisis as an economic savant. But the basic message that a robust middle class is the foundation of economic growth is exactly the right one in troubled times like these, and Obama has delivered it with discipline and grace.

308 comments

Joe the Old Guy said...

Who's the elitist!

Jeb said...

numero uno

James said...

I never saw Hillary Clinton as an economic savant. Did anyone else?

Joda said...

great post, Nate.

foreverblu said...

I've been really guilty of not giving the American people enough credit for seeing through McCain's trickle down tactics. Shame on me I guess.

Jonny5 said...

Wow. Take that McMansion...

Schweitzito said...

Republican economic policy has severely favored the rich at least since Reagan. Is this the first time this basic truth has actually been accepted by a majority of the public? If so, a major breakthrough.

Marcelo Teson said...

McCain did say the words "middle class" in the third debate, if I remember correctly. Your point is still valid though. It took him two debates to get there.

assmole said...

'discipline' and 'grace' are two words I definitely associate with nate silver.

Ken said...

http://chartjunk.karmanaut.com/taxplans/

Duh! McCain is asking the poor to put their country first. But the poor is already fighting two wars and if you've seen the news lately, our gap between the rich and the poor is larger than ever.

Obama is asking the rich to put their country first because this is hard economic times.

Looking at the graphs shown, make your own decisions on who to vote for. I already voted early and so should you!

Ryan said...
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Christopher said...

Woah, letter B girl made it up! I'll be expecting a statement from the McCain camp shortly...

mizack2 said...

OBAMA MANDATE 08

Kid G said...

How is it that 8% of respondents could claim that Obama's tax plan favors the upper class? They must have been sarcastic hippies.

Three Stars said...

http://kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloomfield.2.847628.html

Let's go to the videotape...

Carlo Graziani said...
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rita said...

Wowza. Wow, wow, wow. My guess? People truly do understand the implication of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, and although Obama never seems to come right out and say that McCain's tax policy is the extension of those tax cuts (I wish he would say it, like, 20X a day), somehow, the public is putting that together for themselves. Also, it looks like the "tax cut for 95%" promise(which, to be fair, is a bit of a stretch by the analyses I've seen, but it sounds good, and in reality is far fairer than the McBush tax cuts) has sunk in.
GObama!!!

assmole said...

deadpixel: see carlo's post- that's a real troll for you.

Kid G said...

You know why McCain will lose? Because his only volunteer in PA is going to be busy in court.

assmole said...

Ok, it got deleted pdq- the moderator's on tip-top form,I see.

foreverblu said...

During the third debate, did you notice when McCain made such a big deal that Obama thought Joe the Plumber was "rich" because he earned $250,000. Now, that was a tone deaf remark.

I guess when your wife is a beer heiress $250k doesn't seem like a lot of money, but for the vast majority of the country it sounds like a pretty nice income. I think most people would jump at the chance to earn a quarter million bucks annually.

I have been really surprised that no one crucified him over that moment. I thought it was a huge mistake and very telling about how out of touch he really is.

SHERWICK said...

Intrade now has Obama at 375 EVs, up from 364 earlier today.

RWD said...

"You know why McCain will lose? Because his only volunteer in PA is going to be busy in court."

And his brother is stuck in traffic in Northern Virginia!

BTW, been there, done that. traffic around the wilson bridge is incredibly bad.

Carlo Graziani said...

Setting aside momentarily the campaigns' respective political programs, as well as the aspects that relate to the candidates' personal fitness for office, it is interesting to reflect on what the campaigns' structures teach us about the next President's ability to run one of the largest and most complex bureaucracies on Earth.

The contrast has been stark. The Obama campaign has been characterized throughout by thoughtful strategic planning, disciplined execution, and nimble reactions in dealing with the inevitable mistakes. They don't fight each other and they don't leak. They have assembled a huge volunteer Get-Out-The-Vote (GOTV) organization, and managed it with balletic coordination and precision. They have brought effective, innovative approaches to the entire enterprise, from fundraising to media to personal contact.

The McCain organization, by contrast, has been, to put it charitably, hapless. Between bouts of infighting and back-stabbing, they apparently have never found the time to set out overarching strategic goals for a campaign whose strategy has bounced around like a marble in a blender. Their execution has been appalling. They can't keep a message in the air without one of their own senior people stepping all over it. Their GOTV is a joke -- the national office didn't even bother to appoint state coordinators until July, and then only under threat of revolt from state GOP organizations who saw nothing happening. The candidate contradicts himself almost daily. The campaign appears fixated on locating a magic bullet --- a stunt that will change the game. It has hit on several (Palin, campaign suspension, wacky debate formats, Plumbers, Muslims...), but none of them has worked, and none have taught them that a stunt is no replacement for a disciplined campaign.

What is weird about this is that the GOP wrote the book on disciplined (if divisive and amoral) campaigning. Karl Rove's machine is still there, and all that expertise still exists, but McCain ignored all of it.

And that seems to be the trouble with the McCain campaign: John McCain is an incompetent politician. He has an adolescent, highly personal view of politics, according to which he doesn't need organization or strategy, because, well, he's John McCain! A war hero! A Maverick (TM)! All he needs to do is let people get a clear view of him, and they'll flock to the polls and vote for him. The rest is boring detail. He's losing because he's being out-organized and out-hustled, and he doesn't even realize it, and probably never will.

That term, "Maverick", tells us a good deal about McCain's political skills, if we trouble to analyze it. In politics, a maverick is someone with no following, and who is part of no larger movement. A maverick politician accomplishes nothing, because political accomplishment requires team effort, negotiation, compromise, and leadership. Someone who spends his political careeer on his own is capable of none of the above. To a politician, "Maverick" is one of those self-esteem-protecting terms, like "Big-Boned", or "Vertically-Challenged". You call a politician a "Maverick" when you want to reassure him that he's a worthy human being despite his professional ineptitude.

Running an effective Presidential campaign is no guarantee that one will govern well (as the last eight years have reminded us). But it seems perfectly clear that the inability to coordinate even an adequate campaign probably guarantees that the organizational skills required to run the Federal government effectively are lacking. The election campaign is the first test of management and leadership that all Presidents must pass. Obama has passed it with ease. McCain has flunked it more spectacularly than any candidate in recent memory. He won't be President. That is fortunate for the country, and for the World.

Eric said...

you folks that talk bad about Robert Byrd, you do realize he's 90 and a leader of Dems in the Senate equal to Ted Kennedy.

markymark said...

According to MSNBC the term 'middle class' was spoken 5 times in the 3rd debate, each time by Obama. I think that McCain has shown he 'doesn't get it' as far the economy is concerned. Frankly I am not sure it is an issue that interests him, and with 7 houses, 11 (was it?) cars why would it? He has plenty to fall back on.

Jeb said...

ok numero dos...
It seems so silly that there is
EVEN a discussion about this election at this point...except for race.

Obama-biden are so clearly superior to the other ticket, from a standpoint of clarity and a coherent message.

Even if one disagrees with Obama on many issues, it is difficult for me to imagine someone listening, and I mean REALLY listening to McCain or Palin speak and think to themselves, "Hey now, there is a message that speaks to me." I know a woman in her 60's who says she is undecided in NH. She never says anything about either candidate that she likes, she just says, "Well, I don't like the company that Obama keeps....' or "Michelle isn't my idea of what the first lady should look like..." or "Obama doesn't salute the flag.." (my personal favorite,as a reason to or not to vate for the next president of the United States)

She is an older white woman, who clearly does not resonate with McCain or Palin, but keeps spitting out these Fox News lines about Obama...

It is clearly a race issue and it makes me sad, because it is all fear-based AND she has never said one GOOD thing about McPalin.

It appears that it won't matter in the long run, but it IS worrisome, that the most prepared, well-equipped, thoughtful and articulate candidate has to wade through this sewer of racial tension that still pollutes this country...

It makes me smile when I hear Colin Powell say that Barack is "transcendent," because no one else is more qualified to make that statment, with such grace and power.
OBAMA 08
Peace.

assmole said...

trysai, nate, trysai.

Mule Rider said...

Are these the four worst candidates for Pres and VP in presidential election history? I think maybe that could be the case.

In aggregate, who was worse than Obama-Biden-McCain-Palin?

The only group I can think of were Bush-Quayle-Dukakis-Bentsen.

We're watching history, alright. Historically bad candidates.

Mark1 said...

But what about the Neiman Marcus clothing trickle-down effect ! ? !

1 ritzy purchase at Neiman's buys the people who work there 10 Gap / JCrew or 50 Wal-Mart / Target pieces of clothing !

DCM in FL said...

YUP, now the story is coming out about how she faked the attack in Pittsburgh

talk about a stunt backfiring - just like the 'Sam/[Joe] the [fake] Plumber' story was not true

'Police: Campaign Worker Admits Making Up Story'

@ http://kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloomfield.2.847628.html

assmole said...

muley, please don't swear today. Which 4 would you like to see up in 2012?

shism!

MysticLaker said...

What, the girl was faking it? OMG! OMG!

But what about all the evidence, the dyslexic mugger in a tank top in freezing weather, the atm reciept, the twitters...This is a cover up by Obama if I have ever seen one.

Juris said...

TYPO: " . . . and the later was a snap decision. . . ."

Should be latter, not later.

SP said...

"BTW, been there, done that. traffic around the wilson bridge is incredibly bad."

Heh. It's a 'tourist trap', so to speak. Most NoVA denizens won't go anywhere near the damn thing for love or money.

Mule Rider said...

Schweitzer-Bayh

Huckabee-Jindal

I would feel at ease with those four and it would be a win-win either way.

Andy JS said...

Interesting that most of the states McCain is going to win are among the poorest in the country, given these statistics.

DCM in FL said...

Mulie,

you had a sock puppet on the previous thread

but he made almost as much sense, so which one of you is the real deal ?

hhhmmm

Kid G said...

Blogger SP said...

"BTW, been there, done that. traffic around the wilson bridge is incredibly bad."

Heh. It's a 'tourist trap', so to speak. Most NoVA denizens won't go anywhere near the damn thing for love or money.


Are you saying that John McCain is palling around with tourists???

JMNorris said...

Two questions.

1. Where does the 375 as the magic number for a landslide come from? Why not, say, 370 or 380?

2. After posting a comment to a previous post, I noticed a comment.do file in my browser history. Does this mean that comments are being handled by Stata??? (NB. Stata is a first rate statistical program Nate uses for number crunching. It's scripting files have the .do extension. But Stata seems like a REALLY odd choice for web programming.)

Ed said...

Great post at 12:44 Carlo Graziani

Matt said...

Man oh man. Police say she made it all up! What a clusterfuck of a campaign McCain has run. You don't give this thing currency unless you know it's legit.

Dumbasses.

Blame said...

"Wowza. Wow, wow, wow. My guess? People truly do understand the implication of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy"

No shit? Maybe after a few years they noticed that the "tricle down" just wasn't trickling down. Perceptive of them.

assmole said...

dcm: obama's a pretty smooth operator- could the 'backwards B' girl be a plant??

not a bad 4, muley.

Joseph said...

Fox VP, this morning: If the "B" scar story is a hoax, McCain is finished
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/fox-news-vp-if-mccain-wor_b_137522.html


NOW: Story is a hoax!
http://kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloomfield.2.847628.html


McCain = DONE

Real Joe said...

Obama 87 on intrade

Becky Sharp said...

Wait a sec folks. Curb the glee. She didn't fake those bruises.

porophi (Greek God of little holes - plural)

jnorthrop said...

@jmnorris --

The site is built using Google's Blogger platform.

InkStain said...

"But what about all the evidence, the dyslexic mugger in a tank top in freezing weather, the atm reciept, the twitters...This is a cover up by Obama if I have ever seen one."

The Pittsburgh PD is a well-known front for the Liberal Elite Cabal.

Eric said...

Mule Rider said...
Are these the four worst candidates for Pres and VP in presidential election history? I think maybe that could be the case.

In aggregate, who was worse than Obama-Biden-McCain-Palin?

The only group I can think of were Bush-Quayle-Dukakis-Bentsen.

We're watching history, alright. Historically bad candidates.


you're foolish, but I'll play your game. There are 10s of millions, maybe 100+ million who believe Obama is fantastic and about 85+% think Biden is highly qualified.

Here's a crappy group of 4:

1984

Reagan-Bush-Mondale-Ferraro.

Not a decent 1 among them. I completely believe that.

SHERWICK said...

the Liberal Elite Cabal seems to incldue most of the USA these days...
:/

Robin Johnson said...

I'd love to see that broken down by which class the respondents identified themselves as. Something makes me suspect the people claiming McCain's policies will help the poor aren't struggling themselves.

newsinOH said...

kid g,

Your comedic talents are in full force today!

Jack said...

This site makes me nervous. I love Abama, but it not over. Jack

Mark1 said...

How prescient was Barack when he said, "McCain doesn't get it" ! ? !

I mean, seriously, that's a pretty 'out there' thing to say, and yet not only was Barack able to say it, it's staggering just how right Brack's words have been proven !

livemild said...

a hoax??

i cant believe any supporter of honorable mccain would lie?

slag said...

For all of the criticism that Obama's received for being "too professorial", this poll reflects the fact that he's actually done a pretty good job of explaining his economic policy to the people. Even better, he's done a pretty good job of explaining McCain's economic policy as well.

Honestly, I'm pleasantly surprised.

Real Joe said...

jack said...
This site makes me nervous. I love Abama, but it not over.


its over Jack

Eric said...

I'm gonna be greedy here. Not only to I want a mandate where Obama and Dem Congress can change everything for the better over 8 years. Not only do I want 30-40 years of sustained Democratic rule.

I also want those rankings of Presdential rankings to reflect the truth. I want Reagan to be considered what he was, a far below average President who simply had lots of charisma.

Heather Nordquist said...

second the love for Carlo's post!!

Muley~ Schweitzer-Bayh is about the most intelligent thing you've said all day.

Mule Rider said...

Here's a joke for you libruls, how many blacks can you get into the white house at one time?

Juris said...

It's probably well to keep in mind that virtually any of the macroeconomic forecasting models of how this election would turn out had Obama coming out as winner.

That is, looking at the performance of the economy as of September, and at the incumbency factor, and at the very low approval score of the incumbent, Obama was seen as the likely winner by 1 to 12 points in all of these models -- except perhaps ones that regarded the race factor as possibly a key factor.

So in some sense McCain was bound to find his path to failure -- almost no matter what type of campaign he ran. And it was probably his sense of inevitable loss that induced him to try the "Hail Mary" strategy of nominating Palin. All that her nomination did was strengthen his base, but almost inevitable the "high risk, high reward" strategy began to founder.

InkStain said...

"Wait a sec folks. Curb the glee. She didn't fake those bruises."

Even if they aren't make-up, she'd hardly be the first person to do it to herself in an attention-seeking hoax.

The relevant part here is that the McCain campaign again seized on a superficially beneficial story without doing the barest level of vetting. Palin, Joe the Plumber, and now B Girl. It's a pattern.

And this time they took advantage of someone who is likely mentally ill (or at least very stupid) to try to pull something like this.

Kid G said...

newsinOH said...

kid g,

Your comedic talents are in full force today!


I didn't get enough sleep last night.

DCM in FL said...

ASSMOLE

the 'B" never made any sense - why not an 'O' ???

a backward 'B' even more irrational...

no matter how you 'slice & dice' it [pun intended], her fake story only further undercyts the entire GOPer strategy IMHO

further proof that it really the GOPers who will lie & cheat & steal & do ANYTHING to win

Real Joe said...

mule rider said...

how many blacks can you get into the white house at one time?



WHHHHAT ??

DCM in FL said...

anyone else having problems with their 'word verification' not being accepted & getting a blogger conflict message ???

annoying...

justin32099 said...

"The relevant part here is that the McCain campaign again seized on a superficially beneficial story without doing the barest level of vetting"

Wait, how did the McCain campaign seize on this story? I heard they both called the victim but was there any other sort of exploitation of it?

newsinOH said...

I made a HUGE mistake and checked Drudge to see if he'd yet posted that the "attack" was fake (he hasn't). Unfortunately, while there, I saw the headline "JTP Mulling Run for Congress"

I can't take any more. This election must come sooner . . .

mizack2 said...

I can't believe that Todd chick attempted what is the OLDEST TRICK IN THE BOOK.

"If (INSERT SOMETHING) doesn't pass/madeillegal/gets elected, then White women will be attacked by angry black men!"

It worked for most illegal drugs in the past.

Remember when Susan Smith blamed a black man for kidnapping and killing her kids?

Come on woman. Try something more creative. It didn't work when Morton Downey Jr tried this SAME STUNT IN THE 80s, and it's not going to work now. As Johnnie Cochran would say:

"If the B's backwards, you must acquit!"

...or something like that.

newsinOH said...

kid g,

I didn't either (maybe that's why you're slaying me today???)

Real Joe said...



Reagan Appointee and (Recent) McCain Adviser Charles Fried Supports Obama

SP said...

Kid g, McCain's office is in Arlington, isn't it? No telling who that commie, pinko, liberal is cavorting with.

Heather Nordquist said...

"And this time they took advantage of someone who is likely mentally ill"

HAHA!! What other kinds of folks are volunteering for McCain. Let's see; the racists, the anti-intellectuals, the mentally ill, and the guys that think Bush is doing a swell job.

LAT said...

let me third it--great great post Marco.

I love the fact that Fox news went all out saying this crime would determine the campaign and now I guess that means they have to say it's over. LMAO.

markymark said...

The EV counts of states that either candidate, according to Nate's stats are concerned, where a candidate has a 75% chance of winning is 319-160. I am not sure this thing is going to be even slightly close in the end.

Kid G said...

newsinOH said...

I made a HUGE mistake and checked Drudge to see if he'd yet posted that the "attack" was fake (he hasn't). Unfortunately, while there, I saw the headline "JTP Mulling Run for Congress"

I can't take any more. This election must come sooner . . .


I feel like we're living in SNL right now. This story takes the cake for hilarity in this election season. My, Joe is one ambitious plumber.

InkStain said...

"Wait, how did the McCain campaign seize on this story? I heard they both called the victim but was there any other sort of exploitation of it?"

They made darn sure the media *knew* she was being called.

Real Joe said...

dcm in fl said...
anyone else having problems with their 'word verification' not being accepted & getting a blogger conflict message ???

annoying...


yes

it fu**ing sucks

Jack said...

real Joe, my last election. You sure as hell better be right. Hey, pardon the typos. Got excited

Glix said...

I haven't seen it for awhile but there is video of McCain saying that we have to import fieldworkers from Mexico because Americans won't pick lettuce for $50 an hour. Someone in the audience said "Yes, we would" and his reply was "Maybe for a day but all summer? I don't think so" or words to that effect.

He didn't seem to realize that $50/hour is a huge wage to most Americans.

Real Joe said...



yesterday:

35,000 greet Obama in Indianapolis

(AP)

DCM in FL said...

geez, I wish that all the DEMs including Barack & Michelle would quit referring to his Granny as 'Toot'

Michelle just did it again, but it sure sounded like she was giving credit to a noseload of coke rather than his granny for inspiration

of course, GW Bush was really the one who liked his 'toot' the old-fashioned way - before he was 'born again'

GWB shoulda stuck with the drugs instead IMHO

SHERWICK said...

"Heather Nordquist said...
What other kinds of folks are volunteering for McCain. Let's see; ... the mentally ill, and the guys that think Bush is doing a swell job."


Is there a difference?!

InkStain said...

"What other kinds of folks are volunteering for McCain."

Perfectly ordinary, well-grounded, well-meaning Americans who want the world to be slightly different than you do.

Please don't let the Obama victory perpetuate an imaginary "us vs. them" civil war.

Green said...

The B girl...I'm amazed that anyone would be so dumb as to PULL A STUNT to make political points...

Uhhh... wait

THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR... you know.

Seriously, did you all see Michelle Obama today in Ohio... what a beautiful, smart, soulful woman. For the first time in my life, I'm proud of our First Lady... well second (hey Hill!!)

Real Joe said...

jack said...
real Joe, my last election.


????

are you going to die ??

:-(

livemild said...

before we go saying how bad politicians are remember that these are the people who applied for the job.

our current vetting process-when done right-excludes alot of people for a variety of reasons often stupid.palin should have been excluded

that stolen street sign at age sixteen, the affair (mccain got away with this one), your bipolar brother, your sister who lived with a socialist, it goes on and on.

jnorthrop said...

Heather Nordquist said...

"And this time they took advantage of someone who is likely mentally ill"

HAHA!! What other kinds of folks are volunteering for McCain. Let's see; the racists, the anti-intellectuals, the mentally ill, and the guys that think Bush is doing a swell job."

You're double counting there -- "likely mentally ill" = "think Bush is doing a swell job."

assmole said...

Real Joe said...



yesterday:

35,000 greet Obama in Indianapolis

(AP)


real joe, how can you say that? He was in Hawaii attending his dying grandmother.

Eric said...

Mule Rider said...
Schweitzer-Bayh

Huckabee-Jindal

I would feel at ease with those four and it would be a win-win either way.


Those 4 are fine. Schweitzer is great. Bayh seems like he'd be a steady, boring hand at the wheel. Jindal is a little young. I get the feeling he's sometimes able to cover up that he's in over his head with intlelligence. That kinda scares me. I don't believe he's quite ready. Might be a fantastic candidate in 8 years. I really like huckabee, but think he's a little too populist and rough around the edges in some areas. Good crop though. Schweitzer and Kaine are my two favorite Dems for 2016. I'm sure you don't particularly like Kaine, since you don't like Obama and they're similar.

David said...

So what has B girl accomplished with this stunt?
-Gotten herself in trouble with the law (charges pending)
-Wasted the time and resources of her local law enforcement
-Disgraced Obama supporters by making them look like thugs
-Disgraced McCain supporters by making them look like liars
-Re-injected the black male boogeyman into the national consciousness
-Contributed to a culture that is often suspicious, to the point of hostility, toward women who report being assaulted, making it less likely that women who, in the future, are genuinely assaulted will be willing to step forward and report the crime.

Did I miss anything?

LAT said...

sorry how can JTP run for congress when he has liens against him because he has not paid his taxes? being a publicity stunt makes him capable of running for office? the stupid hurts. how deluded can a person be?

my god the only celebrity I know to run for office on less was the Cicciolina in Italy and she had, um, more to show for herself.

Real Joe said...

assmole said...

real joe, how can you say that? He was in Hawaii attending his dying grandmother.



he had a rally in Indianapolis before he left for Hawaii via Sacramento

SHERWICK said...

david spouting rubbish as usual lol

Eric said...

assmole said...
Real Joe said...



yesterday:

35,000 greet Obama in Indianapolis

(AP)

real joe, how can you say that? He was in Hawaii attending his dying grandmother.


He had a rally in Indianapolis in the morning befroe he left ot Hawaii. There were more than 35,000, plus there were another 20,000 off to the side. It was probably closer to 60,000. If it had been aPain rally, I imagine they would have reported it as 100,000+.

Voice of the Midwest said...

The "B" Girl story being declared a hoax in Pittsburgh television and being run over and over and over again this weekend may have lost McCain any chance of winning Pennsylvania.

His whole theory was predicated on winning southwest PA. Now, the community is at a point of intraspection about race because of some kook who saw the world as black and white and injected a bold face lie into the race.

This is sad for her and bad news for McCain in PA. Why? Because the people Jack Murtha spoke about don't mind if the racism is veiled and covert. When it is in the wide open, they take stock in their own attitudes.

This girl is sick. I remember people like her in my younger years in politics on both sides of the fence. They were ideologues with no idea what their ideology stood for on both sides of the fence. They cling onto politics because it is a way to fit in. They do extreme things and take offense at the slightest implication from those they perceive as the other side. They find a home in politics because any help is hard to find and fresh bodies for the front lines are what campaigns and candidates depend on.

I am hopeful John McCain and Sarah Palin have this girl's number in their call history and ask her to apologize publicly for the hoax. They have lost face because of her issues with sanity. They may have lost Pennsylvania outright by stepping on their tails calling this girl and giving her story creedence.

She is clearly a racist. For that, she will have to look inward. She needs a lot of help.

newsinOH said...

For what it's worth, Salon reported that B girl's myspace page included the following quote: "Lying is the most fun a girl can have without taking her cloths [sic] off, but its [sic] better if you do."

Kurt said...

Eric said...

I'm gonna be greedy here. Not only to I want a mandate where Obama and Dem Congress can change everything for the better over 8 years. Not only do I want 30-40 years of sustained Democratic rule.

I also want those rankings of Presdential rankings to reflect the truth. I want Reagan to be considered what he was, a far below average President who simply had lots of charisma.


I've said it before... history was re-written the day Reagan died. Seriously, if he's your top tier, you really don't have a very deep bench.

The call for a return to conservative icons like Reagan makes me laugh, but it will be a persistent meme post-election. For those crying out a D domination of politics for 12 years, let me just remind you of the state of the Democratic party 4 years ago. It was in tatters, torn apart, impotent, and pathetic. It reinvented itself in a mere 4 years to put together a campaign like we have seen this year.

The Republicans will be a mess post-election, yes. But they will put it all back together a lot quicker than many think (kick out the crazies and move to the center, just like the Democrats did). Yes, much credit to Obama is deserved. Its likely a fresh face will rise among the R's to pull them back up as well, someone we don't know about today.

$0.02

Jack said...

real Joe. At my age, playing the odds. Already beat them once. Second time I'm the underdog. Jack

Michael said...

You hit a new low Nate using the most ridiculous poll out there...
Pollsters are going to look like idiots when it is all said and done trying to get Obama nominated.

McCain is losing, I am not denying that. But he is not down 14 points. 5 points sounds about right amongst the trackers...

Eric said...

InkStain said...
"What other kinds of folks are volunteering for McCain."

Perfectly ordinary, well-grounded, well-meaning Americans who want the world to be slightly different than you do.

Please don't let the Obama victory perpetuate an imaginary "us vs. them" civil war.


Is this the real InkStain? There are plenty of legitimate conservatives. But, there are also millions of nutjobs that need to stop winning elections.

Sandy said...

After watching the McCain campaign literally deteriorate before the countries eyes it's almost as though he wants to lose this election.

It's getting pretty sad when many in your own party is defecting to your opponent.

It's almost sad...I said 'almost.':)

OTF said...

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/24/1588530.aspx

McCaign Campign spin/strategy.

As one McCain official candidly tells the Politico, “We have a real chance in Pennsylvania. We are in trouble in Colorado, Nevada and Virginia. We have lost Iowa and New Mexico. We are OK in Missouri, Ohio and Florida. Our voter intensity is good and we can match their buy dollar for dollar starting today till the election. It’s a long shot but it’s worth fighting for.”
The scary thing for the McCain campaign is that they could win Pennsylvania, but if they lose Colorado, Nevada, and Virginia, they lose in the Electoral College, 270-268. That's just stunning. The McCain campaign could win Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania -- and still lose. This is how Obama's money and organizational advantage has made such a difference: They've rewritten the battleground just as they promised.

InkStain said...

"Did I miss anything?"

Her twitter account implies that she was a pre-law student. So she's probably thrown that away, the bar will not look kindly on this.

Chi said...

The sh*t has hit the fan. Breaking on MSNBC: McCain volunteer confesses that attack is a hoax.

Kid G said...

@Voice of the Midwest:

Well said, bro!

DCM in FL said...

ASSMOLE

Barack had a small intimate meet & greet with 35K in IN just before he boarded his plane & fly to visit 'Toot'

did you see the GOPer hacks on cable last night trying to say how TERRIBLE it was that Obama would fly a 767 aeroplane all the way from IN to HI to visit his granny as a crime for the cost & against the environment even !!!

ROFLOL - like that matters , but what else did they have to try to distract from the bad message that the Failin luxury wardrobe & stlylist expenses were reflecting on the GOPers

still, it was shamefull - they truly are shameless IMHO

InkStain said...

I'm not sure if the poll that Nate posted to start this thread is so much a *cause* of Obama's lead as an effect.

mizack2 said...

OOHHH!!! THE BLACK BOOGEYMAN STRIKES AGAIN!!!

Cugel said...

You can't really blame McCain for appearing "tone deaf" on the economy, like Bush I he never wanted to run on the economy to begin with!

His campaign adviser Steve Schmidt famously said that "this election will be about personalities." They wanted to run on McCain the "war hero-POW", and "Obama the elitist outsider."

They wanted the election to be about Mavericky(tm) themes and the "surge" and Mcain's "experience."

McCain admitted publicly that he doesn't know much about the economy. He wants to be a foreign policy president just like Bush I and let domestic matters take care of themselves.

It's just his misfortune that Americans are focused on the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression and FORCING McCain to veer away from his cherished themes of "the surge worked" and "I'm a POW!"

He has no plan except the Bush tax cuts and lets have more of them! Joe-the-Plummer is just a substitute for a real American.

Republicans just can't understand why the usual politics of distractions, B.S. and attack ads aren't working.

"It worked in 2000 & 2004, why isn't it working now? Dammit! Run another Bill Ayers ad! Obama's a socialist! He wants to tax ordinary working Americans!" (i.e. those making over $250,000 a year!)

It's just that the entire Republican election strategy since 1968 has been an utter and complete lying swindle! And finally people have had enough!

Real Joe said...

jack said...
real Joe. At my age, playing the odds. Already beat them once. Second time I'm the underdog.


hang in there

god bless you

yiannis said...

For the last 3 weeks Politico/Insider advantage have been focusing their polling on critical battleground counties in Florida (Hillsborough County-Tampa) and Ohio (Franklin County-Columbus) coupled, but not entirely separately from their statewide polls.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14895.html

In their first week of following this surgical polling idea they had also polled, Nevada's Washoe County (Reno) and North Carolina's Wake County (Raleigh) but it seems they have not followed up in these two counties in subsequent weeks.

Here's the major reason I suspect their current statewide poll in OH showing Obama up 10: They show that Obama leads McCain by 15% among males in Franklin County; that figure is 8% statewide. According to the poll women prefer Obama by 4% points in Franklin County and 12% statewide.

I have yet to see a state exit poll in which males preferred the democrat more than females. Bush carried males statewide by 5% and tied Kerry among females in 04. Now I haven't met many males or females from Franklin County, OH but it's a large enough county (~400k votes) to include all sorts of demographics. It's very hard to believe that this result is due to some lack of demographic oddity. I don't believe that such a huge county could have been affected so much by a plant closing down or something like that.

This poll is odd, Ohio is a much much closer than 10%. If I were you and cared about statewide polls I would average the latest polls from Strategic Vision, Mason/Dixon, Rasmussen, SurveyUSA. These 4 polls taken together show Obama leading McCain by 0.25% I realize that Strategic Vision has a slight republican lean but Survey USA has a slight democratic lean and so it did in 2004. Also note that these aren't the final polls and unlike their breathtaking unanimity in 2004 these 4 pollsters results are nowhere near as close this election cycle

By the way both the Cleveland Plain Dealer and the Columbus Dispatch as well as the U of Cincinnati have had reasonably accurate polls for their state in 04 BUT I can't evaluate their accuracy from simply one poll. Strategic Vision+ Mason/Dixon+Rasmussen+SurveyUSA have gotten it right many times in the 2004 general election and the 2008 primaries.

In 2004 the last polling from these firms showed:

Mason/Dixon: Bush +2
SurveyUSA: Bush +2
Strategic Vision: Bush +2
Rasmussen: Bush +4
UofC: Bush +0.9
Cleveland Plain Dealer: Bush+3
Columbus Dispatch: TIE
The actual result was Bush +2

For more detailed 2004 general election polling performance look at this diary
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/20/131628/92/254/636406

Obamaniacs: No reason to panic

As stated in the earlier diary, Obama's firewall is the least poll southwest where an influx of Californians and Latinos will help Obama as Nate Silver discusses in this article: http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=fb1c6783-fc3e-48c7-8fd5-f0f1a2a77d9e

Mule Rider said...

Any takers on my joke:

How many blacks can you get into the white house at one time?

Frank said...

Becoming national news so that her profs know that she is not visiting her sick uncle joe (the plumber).

Sorry, had to reuse this one from the earlier thread.



So what has B girl accomplished with this stunt?
-Gotten herself in trouble with the law (charges pending)
-Wasted the time and resources of her local law enforcement
-Disgraced Obama supporters by making them look like thugs
-Disgraced McCain supporters by making them look like liars
-Re-injected the black male boogeyman into the national consciousness
-Contributed to a culture that is often suspicious, to the point of hostility, toward women who report being assaulted, making it less likely that women who, in the future, are genuinely assaulted will be willing to step forward and report the crime.

Did I miss anything?

SalP7 said...

Carville puts the boot in:

“The reason the Republicans found Joe the Plumber was to find someone hanging around a toilet other than Larry Craig,”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14911.html

Charles Crook said...

"geez, I wish that all the DEMs including Barack & Michelle would quit referring to his Granny as 'Toot'"

That's slang for the Hawaiian term for grandmother. Would you prefer nana? Gammy?

The online articles I've seen have all explained the term.

Dr. Matt said...

Blogger Voice of the Midwest said...

The "B" Girl story being declared a hoax in Pittsburgh television and being run over and over and over again this weekend may have lost McCain any chance of winning Pennsylvania.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Is this confirmed?

Voice of the Midwest said...

"Bayh seems like he'd be a steady, boring hand at the wheel."

This country could benefit from a few "boring", stable, and level headed Evan Bayhs and less George W. Bushes.

I lived in Indiana when Evan Bayh was Governor. WHAT A LEADER!!! Jobs, great paying jobs, flooded into the state. The GOP had left him with hundreds of millions in bonded debt and he used fiscal austerity to eliminate the debt in less than four years with a solid economic development plan. Taxes were cut and services made modern and efficient.

He improved education in a state that consistently ranked in the bottom ten. This country could use Evan Bayh as President. He may end up being the best President we never had.

Brian Francis said...

Remember, John McCain said the "fundamentals were strong" 16 times over the last year, and he also said $5 million was the cut off between rich and middle class.

McCain's campaign has been a study in self-inflicted wounds. Palin-Gate and his handling of the economic crisis being the killers.

Brian
Political Inaction

markymark said...

The one thing to credit Reagan for is that he was perhaps the best true conservative President. (Also the first since the New Deal, Ike being a New Deal conservative). The top tier of Presidents is still Lincoln, Washington and FDR. I think once you get below the top tier, political ideology has to play a part, but personally I would put Clinton and Reagan both in a 3rd tier bracket. I think in the modern era being good enough to make the 2nd tier is a tough target, but it should be at least what Obama is capable of.

Voice of the Midwest said...

Is this confirmed?

*****************

Yes, go to KDKA's website. She just blew the whistle under pressure.

newsinOH said...

I ventured back to Drudge (very quickly lest I inadvertently see yet another headline that freaks me out like the Congressman JTP one did!) and he has actually posted that B girl lied and that charges are pending. Sorry, I didn't wait around to see if a flashing light loaded.

Real Joe said...

chi said...
The sh*t has hit the fan. Breaking on MSNBC: McCain volunteer confesses that attack is a hoax.


disgusting !

she will go to jail for this

mizack2 said...

Mule Rider, as a black male, I'd LOVE to know...

How many blacks can you get into the white house at one time?

Eric said...

Re: Kurt,


I understand your thought that the D's won't rule for a generation. Here's my view:

FDR is brought in to fix the mess the Republicans made in 1933. Dems ruled from 1933-1968. Eisenhower was your only Republican Prez and he was a centrist. Dems got the chance to run the country for more than a generation.

After 1964 Civil rights Act, Republicans were in the drivers' seat. Carter had a bad Presidency and was way too liberal in many ways from '77-80. 1981 reagan takes office and we have the Neo-Con Movement take hold. Dominant Republican Party for 28 years. Centrist clinton being your only dem Prez during the stretch.

We now have a larger Democratic base than Republican. The grassroots for the Dems is larger and is likely to stay that way. As Fdr followed Hoover and Reagan followed carter, we're likely to see a piss-poor Prez Bush, followed by a very solid, inspirational Prez Obama. Don't be surprised if Dems rule for the next generation with maybe one centrist Pub somewhere in the middle.

DCM in FL said...

CHARLES

I am well aware of what 'Toot' was a nickname for

did you even read my post ? it was sarcastic [anti-Bush btw]...

OK, maybe lame if it went over your head...

my point was that the GOPers are so desperate right now that they will & do seize on anything & try to twist it into something bad

[like Bidem's comment on 'testing' or Obama's harlmless 'spread the wealth']

fwiw

Dr. Matt said...

Blogger Voice of the Midwest said...

Is this confirmed?

*****************

Yes, go to KDKA's website. She just blew the whistle under pressure.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ROFL!! Thanks!

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/24/mugging-hoax

Drudge is even reporting that it's made up. OOOPP!!!!!

livemild said...

i have come up with so many great things to say today ( a rarity) and the stupid comment form hates me!

so just pretend that this is one of them

Real Joe said...

Matt is reporting it:

"SHE MADE IT UP!"

michael said...

Damn, I had to change my ID to avoid associations with a right wing Michael...

Excellent post, Nate. As for the energy price deal. Three things defanged that one for McCain. I think a lot of Americans started seeing through the transparent hoax that a fraction of oil needs 10 years from now was going to help.

The drill baby drill mantra is associated with Palin, who is the most negatively viewed major party candidate in the history of favorability ratings, and seen by significant majorities of Americans as unqualified. Since her "portfolio" woud be energy, it damages McCain on energy.

Lastly, but most obviously, oil prices have been cut in 1/2 at the same time as the banks and stock market have crashed, cementing the perspective that the oil prices were being manipulated.

Dr. Matt said...

WAAAH WAAAAH WAAAAAH HA HA HA

http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redscan/2008/oct/24/that-mutilated-mccain-volunteer-2/

OTF said...

Yes it's also on Politico. The major networks(NBC,ABC,CBS) are probably feeling lucky they didn't run this stuff last night as it broke.

Green said...

To Voice of Midwest--

Beautifully written. Thanks.

She may not be a racist but rather she is just too gung ho for McCain and just to young to understand the horrible consequenses of crying wolf.

She is very screwed... kids don't think things through!! (from a former kid)

And she may be a racist too...

Anne said...

Frank said:
So what has B girl accomplished with this stunt?
:
-Disgraced Obama supporters by making them look like thugs
-Disgraced McCain supporters by making them look like liars
:

I strongly disagree with you on these two points. B-girl has only disgraced herself. This doesn't reflect on McCain or Obama supporters in any way (despite the best efforts of many people on both sides to spin it that way).

You're smack-dead-right-on with your other points though.

Charles Crook said...

I think the GOP will be spending the rest of the days on damage control, and for positioning themselves for the circular firing squad to come.

Not much left to spend on Toot reform.

Matthew said...

Does saying the words "middle class" actually mean that Obama will help them, or is it just pandering? And does anyone really believe Obama's plan helps the middle class? McCain's plan favors the rich, Obama's the poor, and no one gives a crap about the middle class.

Obama is likely going to win for one reason -- he's convinced people that McCain is another George Bush. In fact, there's few Republican Senators further from George Bush. Despite it being essentially a lie that McCain is "McSame," it's worked for Obama.

Bring on the Socialism. Yippee.

brooklynkevin said...

I've been watching this IBD/Tipp poll for the past few days, and I was finally curious enough to go to the Tipp website (http://www.tipponline.com/).

That's where I noticed their "Hot Topics" for the day:

Hot Topics
· Are We Ready for Socialism?
· Economic Optimism Index
· Presidential Leadership
· Americans on the Issues

Is it just me, or does the number one hot topic (Are We Ready for Socialism?) stand out to you, too?

What silly people.

And still...
Age 18-24*, Obama 22%, McCain 74%

Gotta love those asterisks!

And oh boy! If we want, we can: Subscribe to the award winning TIPP Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Election 2008!

Each subscription costs just $99.00

Oh boy!

coc0nutpete said...

The fuckin (B)itch made it up. Nice race-baiting Pennsylvania October surprise assholes. This is obviously NOT excellent news....FOR JOHN MCCAIN!

GreenCardCalifornia said...

Here is an interesting survey done for NPR: Obama up by 11 in battleground states. You won't find this in either the national polls or individual states since they surveyed about 15 states as a whole:

NPR article at cqpolitics.com

www.democratz.org said...

John McCAIN talks about Joe the tax evading unlicensed plumber but he cares more about Joe Millionaire.

Please answer a poll on health care at http://poll.democratz.org

You can watch Countdown with Keith Olbermann at
http://liberal.democratz.org

Voice of the Midwest said...

"Don't be surprised if Dems rule for the next generation with maybe one centrist Pub somewhere in the middle."

If everything goes by Hoyle, there may not be a centrist Republican left in the House, Senate, or any Governor's seat to accommodate the bench for the future.

Look at who will be left in the House and Senate for the Republicans in the House and Senate and you will see a lot of far right, conservative ideologues.

The reason the GOP took the House and Senate in 1994 was because they had a quarter to a third of their caucus from non-southern, non-plain state districts who were Lincoln Republicans. Now, Chris Shays will likely be gone on November 5 and he is considered a liberal in the caucus.

I repeat, the Republican Party needs a makeover - not Sarah Palin - and not more to the right.

DCM in FL said...

Michael said...

"McCain is losing, I am not denying that. But he is not down 14 points. 5 points sounds about right amongst the trackers."
-----------------------------------

MICHAEL

too funnie to pass on

you really do need to start the 5 stages of grief process & get out of the 'denial' stage ASAP [IMHO]

you can keep saying, "5 points sounds about right amongst the trackers" - but saying it over & over just does NOT make it so just because you cannot handle the FACT that he is down at least 7-8% according to all available DATA

even worse in the state polling that counts for the EVs, as the national average really means next to nothing
----------------------------------

IF you ask me [which you didn't] I would say, "10-12 points sounds about right"

Doesn't make it so, but I have better data available to support my position than you do - check the charts !!!

Better start your grieving process real soon or November will be a total bitch for you, pal...

ciao

MysticLaker said...

Voice of MW? Are you AS?

GaMeS said...

Yeah, that Ashley Todd thing almost had me pissing my pants with laughter. =)


Really, what kind of a fucking idiot (or, as my word verification might say, a "uredab") carves a BACKWARD "B" in their face? Like she didn't know that mirrors have a backward image?

I mean, that's like sub-chimp-level retarded.

InkStain said...

"She may not be a racist but rather she is just too gung ho for McCain and just to young to understand the horrible consequenses of crying wolf."

She's 20 years old. If she doesn't know now the link between actions and consequences, she definitely should have and has no excuses.

Loralee said...

david, I think that about covers it.

markymark said...

matthew,

this whole he's not really GWB line is such bull. On the two things that people care most about this year, even at the most ephemeral, the economy and Iraq, people dislike McCain for the same reasons as Bush, so ergo they are essentially the same in the public mind.

txtea said...

I guess McCain promise that he and Sarah will not raise taxes fell on deaf ears. Maybe they are worried about Bush Sr's "tax revenue increases." Hmmm, Senator McCain, you needed to find a new schtick that wasn't used back in 1988.

Great site, Nate! Highly addictive!

DCM in FL said...

NOTE: MR w/ID#6549 is a sock puppet

DNFTT

Douglas said...

Hey Mule Rider,

What's up?

http://crittendenpress.blogspot.com/2008/09/mule-rider-dies.html

markymark said...

matthew,

this whole he's not really GWB line is such bull. On the two things that people care most about this year, even at the most ephemeral, the economy and Iraq, people dislike McCain for the same reasons as Bush, so ergo they are essentially the same in the public mind.

Joe Benevides said...

The real Mule Rider is back! That, or he's on his meds today!

Frank said...

Sorry, I did not give attribution to the original list (by David) that I was adding one more element to ... (used italics but not full name -- sorry about that David).

Anne said:

I strongly disagree with you on these two points. B-girl has only disgraced herself. This doesn't reflect on McCain or Obama supporters in any way (despite the best efforts of many people on both sides to spin it that way).

You're smack-dead-right-on with your other points though.

Chun said...

SO was all the story made up or just the B part? Was she still robbed? If not it's pretty depressing that she decided that her fake assailant was black.

Alyssa said...

"...and now B Girl"

Ha, every time I read this I die laughing. I instantly get a mix of 2 mental images:

1) The plump Bee Girl from the "No Rain" Blind Melon video

and

2) A 80s break dancer B-Girl.

I'm sure you can imagine the outcome of splicing those 2.

Cavour said...

Re: Ashley Todd

There is a special place in hell for women who falsely report sexual assault. Especially when you add it in after the fact. I only wish that she'd put a little more elbow grease into carving that backwards b in her face so that she'd be left with a permanent reminder of what a complete and utter dumbass she is.

The saddest thing is these are the kinds of people McRage/Failin are courting.

Becky Sharp said...

@inkstain
"The relevant part here is that the McCain campaign again seized on a superficially beneficial story without doing the barest level of vetting."

I agree. All I'm saying is it leaves a bad taste in the mouth to hear so much happy gloating. There's a good chance she still got badly beaten - even if she did make up the rest

Subterranean said...

Mule Rider drooled:

"Huckabee-Jindal

I would feel at ease..."


Huckabee is a snake oil salesman who buys his own bullshit; an uneducated idealogue in an echo chamber that's closing in tighter every year.

Huckabee will never make it out of the Republican primaries.

Sarah Clark said...

"There is a special place in hell for women who falsely report sexual assault."

Damn Straight, though my bleeding heart tendencies lead me to hope she gets some psychological evaluation en route.

OTF said...

The fake attack girl obviously was trying to play to the media reports of racial tension as away to help McCain in PA. Though nobody in the MSM wants to say it, the McCain stategy in PA is counter to the obvious polling data. He is banking on racism in rural PA to win. She was trying to stoke it. McCain/Palin have been trying to to stoke "otherness" of Obama for weeks. Let's just call a spade a spade.

Nicholas Warino said...

I am listening to my Rachel Maddow radio podcast and 538.com and Nate Silver got a big shout out from Ms. Maddow. Cool stuff.

Part of me is bummed though. I used to be a big fan of this site before it was popular.

Now how will I show that I am cool to other political junkies?

cher said...

Why does she get a break for being 20 years old? as in young. We have soliders who are dying who are younger. Have you thought of the real tragedy of crying black man did it and imagine the anger and pain that brings up. How many young men have died over the years before they did have the video tapes and polygraph's. Did she influence even one vote?

tony said...

It's interesting to see the notion of 'class' reintroduced into American political discourse.

We Euros, and particularly the Brits have long been led to believe that that America was a 'classless' society.

It was never true of course, but it's taken an economic tsunami to bring about a change of perspective.

The same is true of the 'S' word, socialism. Obama may claim not to be a socialist, but he would not feel out of place in many European social democratic parties.

And of course, there's the delicious irony of Dubya forced to nationalize private institutions on a scale that makes Chavez look half-hearted.

CommieChemist said...

The Todd woman is just a sorry by-product of the race card playing by the McCain campaign. She may not be the last of this type incident this election cycle.

At 20 yrs old she probably believes all the inflamed rhetoric being flung around the election HQ.

What if they had actually found a suspect that fit the description of her attacker?

McCain is the one who should be held ultimately responsible for this crap!

Uma said...

John McCain made one mistake, and spent the rest of his campaign doubling up and losing because of it. The mistake was the Palin choice. His suspension of the campaign would not have happened if Palin had not been in the picture. He was trying, among other things, to save Palin from the VP debate by postponing his first debate with Obama to the date of the VP debate.

From then on, he was losing badly and did what he needed to do, take desperate measures. By definition, these measures were more likely to work against him than for him, which is what happened.

I think justice was served. At the end of Palins convention speech, perhaps the most skillful political speech I have heard, McCain came to stage all excited and victorious and asked "Did I make the right choice or what?" No, Senator, you did not. I am glad you made that choice, though.

Matthew said...

Could it be that the backwards "B" comes from scratching it on themselves while looking into a mirror? Another one for SNL.

DCM in FL said...

BECKY

you are being too sensitive

there is absolutely no evidence or logical reason to believe that any part of the 'B' girl's story is true

why would you assume she really got beaten up ?

by whom, where & why ?

her 'bruises' are a fake as her story

self-inflicted 'wounds' - which was apparent from the get go IMHO

no swelling, no Drs or hospital, no police report - rather she went online to blog about it

after saying just before this 'fake' incident that she was in the 'bad part of town'

it is ALL a lie, and a bad one at that

reminds us all of the 'Joe/Same the Fake Plumber' non-story as well as the entire Sarah Palin 'embelished' story of her life as just a hockey mom & reformer [FALSE, FALSE]

Benno said...

"...a robust middle class is the foundation of economic growth..."

Holy heck! How can anyone see that as socialist? By God, if you're afraid of that philosophy, you need to be put in a little room with padded walls!

sfergus483 said...

"Let's just call a spade a spade."


Somehow I think you didn't realize the irony of using that phrase in this context.

(Spade can be seen as a racial slur).

Fox now reporting on Todd...
"She lied - it was a hoax - that's the end of that story"

Now back to missing Missouri teens!

Their whole coverage was under a minute, no big headlines, alerts or the usual emphasis for much less...

Charles Crook said...

Huckabee holds no office. When was the last time an out-of-work politician gained a nomination?

Reagen managed it only because of having California on his resume, both as governor and Hollywood.

Public: You were governor of Arksansa 5 years ago? Who cares?

Jonathan said...

Mule Rider said...

Any takers on my joke:

How many blacks can you get into the white house at one time?


Enough to make a difference.

liberal_defender_of_freedom said...

Nicholas Warino said...

I am listening to my Rachel Maddow radio podcast and 538.com and Nate Silver got a big shout out from Ms. Maddow. Cool stuff.

Part of me is bummed though. I used to be a big fan of this site before it was popular.

Now how will I show that I am cool to other political junkies?"

You can make a new site called www.threeseventyfive+.com, the number of EV's Obama will get. If he gets it, you're cool, if not well...

kenny said...

Inkstain,

""What other kinds of folks are volunteering for McCain."

Perfectly ordinary, well-grounded, well-meaning Americans who want the world to be slightly different than you do.

Please don't let the Obama victory perpetuate an imaginary "us vs. them" civil war."


You're right, Obama fans shouldn't be trying to perpetuate an imaginary us vs them war. Fox News, the Bush regime, and the McCain campaign have been doing a good enough job with that.

Thomas said...

The McCain campaign is terrible.

Joe Biden gave them a gift and they cant even use it right.

The right way would be first shot - cip of Joe Biden from primary saying Obama is inexperienced.

Second clip - Joe B's quote, WITH the part about Obama needing help.

Instead they leave out the HELP part, which is the most damning part.

Christopher said...

@matthew: If Obama's plan helps the poor, it also helps the middle class. In fact, it may even help the middle class more than the poor, since more of the tax break effects in the plan matter if you are paying income taxes.

GaMeS said...

Matthew said...

Does saying the words "middle class" actually mean that Obama will help them, or is it just pandering? And does anyone really believe Obama's plan helps the middle class? McCain's plan favors the rich, Obama's the poor, and no one gives a crap about the middle class.

You are such an Ashley Todd.

Or, in verificationese, a "praffian."

Instead of just making shit up (I know, it's what the right does), how about LOOKING IT UP?

(Or, here's a pretty graph if you can't read all those boring words.)

Obama's plan helps the middle class 3x as much as McCain's. Yes, he helps working class taxpayers, too, but the bottom two quintiles (0th - 40th percentile) get only about 60% as much as the next two quintiles (40th - 80th percentile).

So, in absolute terms, Obama is definitely removing more tax burden from the middle class than anyone else.


Matthew said...
Bring on the Socialism. Yippee.

Hmmm. Let's see here:

(1) You're calling Obama a socialist.
(2) I'm assuming it's being he's "redistributing wealth" from the rich to the poor, right?
(3) Obama's total taxes -- AND EVEN THE TOP BRACKET TAX RATE -- are substantially lower than they were under Ronald Reagan. (Perhaps you've heard of him.)
(4) Ergo, Ronald Reagan was a bigger socialist than Barack Obama.
(5) Ditto for Nixon and Eisenhower.


That's your argument, right? Just want to make sure we're all on the same page here. =)

PA John said...

Thanks to Ashley Todd, Palin ends up wasting her visit to the Pittsburgh area last night and this morning.

The hoax story will dominate the local news and relegates Palin's visit to an "oh by way".

Best. Campaign. Ever.

Amy DiLisio said...

RCP now has Indiana (!) going blue on their "No Toss-Up States" map for what I believe is the first time this election cycle.

Despite the polls trending left in Indiana, I'll only believe it when I see it. On the flip side, I considered it a coup just because the RNC was forced to do an ad buy here to hold the state.

I wish I could thank the Senator from Illinois personally for making me feel like my blue-girl-in-a-red-state vote actually counts this year.

Lincoln said...

Prominent GOPers are moving to Obama in droves

Here is a list

This thing is Reagan landslide territory.

Real Joe said...




CNN:

Obama spending more on ads than all but AT&T and Verizon

At $250 million, Obama spends double what McCain does on ads


Link

newsinOH said...

I officially have to step away from the news at the moment for my own sanity.

In an interview with Pitt people about the B girl, they said she said she doesn't know how the B was scratched on her face, that maybe something happened in her car or something. Like it's common to get accidental scratches like backwards letters. . .

To their credit, the friends she drove to after the "incident" questioned her story from the get-go

Mule Rider said...

I see no one could answer my joke.

Here's another:

What do you call a 1000 blacks running down a hill?

A mudslide! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Servius said...

Interestingly, Democrats tend to win majorities among the extremely wealthy and the extremely poor. That is, those who can afford the higher taxes and those who don't pay taxes.

Those of us stuck in the middle tend to vote Republican.

Check out the exit polling from the last several elections regarding income levels to see what I mean.

Brad said...

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Charles Fried, a professor at Harvard Law School, has long been one of the most important conservative thinkers in the United States. Under President Reagan, he served, with great distinction, as Solicitor General of the United States. Since then, he has been prominently associated with several Republican leaders and candidates, most recently John McCain, for whom he expressed his enthusiastic support in January.

This week, Fried announced that he has voted for Obama-Biden by absentee ballot. In his letter to Trevor Potter, the General Counsel to the McCain-Palin campaign, he asked that his name be removed from the several campaign-related committees on which he serves. In that letter, he said that chief among the reasons for his decision "is the choice of Sarah Palin at a time of deep national crisis.""

DCM in FL said...

AMY

that RCP map sure does look sweet with 375 EVs !!!

all that lovely BLUE... out with that nasty red stain on our country

but on Nov 4th, I am hoping to add: GA + WV + ND + MT = 401 EVs

now that would be even sweeter !!!

only 11 days to wait for it...

bryen193 said...

Anybody have an thoughts on the weirdness of Palin giving a "major policy address" limited to the single subject of special needs children just 11 days from the presidential election?

Mule Rider said...

How many blacks can you get in the White House at one time?

...Depends on the number of welfare checks there giving out!

LMAO

Brad said...

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"It had drawn wide local and national -- even political attention, with the McCain and Obama campaigns weighing in -- but now the Ashley Todd story has fallen apart. Police in Pittsburgh have now declared the tale a hoax and the woman, who has confessed, now faces charges for her deed.

Earlier today, John Moody, executive vice president at Fox News, commented on his blog there that "this incident could become a watershed event in the 11 days before the election. If Ms. Todd's allegations are proven accurate, some voters may revisit their support for Senator Obama, not because they are racists (with due respect to Rep. John Murtha), but because they suddenly feel they do not know enough about the Democratic nominee. "

Brad said...

MuleRider-

Take your racist rant to the KK boards and quit spewing hate filled racist crap here.

OTF said...

MORE ON FAKE ATTACK:


Fox exec: Alleged mugging will decide race

Fox's executive Vice President for News, John Moody, last night cast the alleged mugging in Pittsburgh as a watershed in the race:

If Ms. Todd’s allegations are proven accurate, some voters may revisit their support for Senator Obama, not because they are racists (with due respect to Rep. John Murtha), but because they suddenly feel they do not know enough about the Democratic nominee.

If the incident turns out to be a hoax, Senator McCain’s quest for the presidency is over, forever linked to race-baiting.

Cavour said...

@bryen193 - Well, it's one area she actually has a chance of knowing what she's talking about. She has to take these opportunities where she can get them. It's a nice touch that her programs for special needs kids would also be outside this hatchet wielding spending freeze McCain's been touting.

Brad said...

Palin can only handle stuff normally managed by the president's spouse.

Thomas said...

Its not weird at all

The polls have informed McCain that people dont like Palin and they think she is unqualified.

So
a) a major speech at least helps with being qualified - no matter the topic - at least in theory
b) special needs children is a topic she can get sympathy on - its hard to hate someone with a downs syndrome child to care for

Of course its far too late for any of that to work. This should have been something she did in week 1, not week 8 of her vp candidacy.

Dems should now crush her for her "not knowing" whether abortion clinic bombers are terrorists.

Take her out of the picture now, before she has 4 years to regroup.

SP said...

On the spending front, As of October 15th (or maybe it is 16th), Obama had $66 million in cash reserves to McCain's $22 million. In the first two weeks of the month, the Obama campaign has outspent the McCain campaign 105 million to 21 million.

Kid G said...

OTF said...

MORE ON FAKE ATTACK:


Fox exec: Alleged mugging will decide race

Fox's executive Vice President for News, John Moody, last night cast the alleged mugging in Pittsburgh as a watershed in the race:

If Ms. Todd’s allegations are proven accurate, some voters may revisit their support for Senator Obama, not because they are racists (with due respect to Rep. John Murtha), but because they suddenly feel they do not know enough about the Democratic nominee.

If the incident turns out to be a hoax, Senator McCain’s quest for the presidency is over, forever linked to race-baiting.


Foreshadowing, if it wasn't so obvious that it's over already.

DCM in FL said...

now if I want to get greedy, add in AZ & AK to my wish list for Nov 4th [what - it could happen if this campaign goes into tsunami territory as it looks like it might]

then it would be a total repudiation of McSame/Failin with Obama = 414 EVs

but I will accept a close loss in those 2 home states for the GOPers

and I would be happy as a clam with 'only' 375 EVs in the books on Nov 4th

MrInsight22 said...

The fool McCain is heading to Iowa again tomorrow where he has absolutely no chance of winning. What an idiot. He should be spending almost all his time now in CO, VA, OH, and PA.

McCain also refuses to use the only association attack that might work -- the riveting Wright videos that hurt Barac in the primaries. Instead, he fixates on Ayers that has no good videos and no one cares about except SH.

Maybe McCain is trying to lose.

Real Joe said...



The Obama camp manager says McCain would have to win 15% of the Democratic vote, 95% of the Republican and 60% of the independent vote to take the battleground.

"It's a daunting task when you kind of wipe away the spin here and look at the facts."

Adds that even though the stats don't look good for their rival, they'll continue to match their campaigning effort in the state.

National field director Jon Carson and battleground state director Jen O'Malley also weigh in on the state of the race.

Charles Crook said...

Ashley's story in Denver:

http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_10805661

and in Las Vegas:

http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_10805661

The truth will out.