10.22.2008

McCain Brings Hope to Pennsylvania

There had been some pushback from McCain operatives about whether the Republican in fact intended to concede Colorado, as CNN had reported yesterday. In politics, however, money speaks louder than words, and the New York Times is now reporting that McCain may not spend further advertising monies in Colorado, as well as four states won by John Kerry in 2004:

Democrats who monitor advertising spending now put at five the number of states where Senator John McCain is reducing his advertising – New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Colorado, Maine and Minnesota.

In essence, Mr. McCain’s campaign has decided to spread the advertising time he bought for the upcoming week in those states over the next two final weeks.

While station managers in the affected states said they were not ruling out the possibility that Mr. McCain would pump money back in before election day, on Nov. 4, the move represents a stark reordering of priorities.

Democrats were predicting Mr. McCain would use the savings to increase his advertising in Pennsylvania and, possibly, Ohio and Florida, all of which have become that much more vital should Mr. McCain have to concede states like Colorado and Wisconsin.
Note that it's not just Colorado on the chopping block, but also Minnesota, Wisconsin and New Hampshire. Michigan was conceded some weeks ago. Iowa and New Mexico are on life support. Essentially, McCain seems to be giving up on any path to victory that does not involve Pennsylvania -- a state that we presently project Barack Obama to win by 9.7 points.

Al Giordano has a good theory about what McCain is up to:
But here's what I think is going on at McCain strategy central: They're getting tired of the daily drumbeat on cable TV news and by newspaper pundits that says things like, "here are the six or seven swing states, all of them voted for Bush in 2004, Obama is winning or tied in most of them, and for McCain to win he has to run the table, taking every single one of them or it's over."

That message - that there is only one narrow Electoral College path to victory for McCain, while there are multiple ones for Obama - has cast a deathly spell over the GOP base's enthusiasm, which is now being reflected in paltry early voting numbers by Republican voters, especially in Nevada and North Carolina. And so they're trying to offer the faithful a belief in the suggestion that McCain, too, has multiple paths to win.

The senior staff seems to think it has convinced McCain to drop his reluctance to play the race card, with trial balloons afloatin' that Obama's ex-reverend will get an encore in the coming days in negative ads and such.

And if they're really going to go there - to try to make the campaign about race and, specifically, some white people's fears of pigmentation - then it would make total sense for McCain to temporarily ignore Colorado, where that message ain't gonna hunt, and shift focus to Appalachia and the South: Virginia, North Carolina, Ohio and, yes, Pennsylvania and even Florida being the swing states where racially charged politics have sometimes, in the past, worked for the Republicans, or, in Appalachia, where they worked for the Clintons during the primaries.
Actually, Al's theory is quite a bit more nuanced than that, and deserves a read in its entirety; among other things, Al thinks that McCain may be trying to use Pennsylvania, a state where his numbers have nowhere to go but up, in order to create a sense of "momentum" that may pay dividends in other states.

But if McCain's strategy is taken more at face value, it would seem to imply -- as Al suggests -- a potential re-appearance by the Jeremiah Wright All-Stars. That would conform with another detail reported in the Times piece, which that the McCain campaign wants to control its advertising message all for itself, rather than having to share with the RNC:
But the McCain campaign also needs the extra money to keep up with its current plans, due to a quiet decision it has made that most voters will hardly notice.

Until now, the campaign has been teaming up with the Republican National Committee to jointly produce a large percentage of its advertisements. By sharing the costs down the middle, Team McCain has been able to basically double the amount of advertisements it can run for its money.

[...]

The campaign has started to phase out those ads in these final days, deciding to stick to advertisements it can devote fully to Mr. McCain’s campaign message. That will greatly disadvantage Mr. McCain as he struggles to keep up with the far better funded Mr. Obama. But Mr. McCain’s aides have clearly decided a trade of volume for greater clarity is worth it.
There are real downsides to this: the RNC has a lot more cash on hand than the McCain campaign does. Without RNC assistance, McCain will be in no position to win a conventional air war, even if he limits his expenditures to small number of states.

Something like a Jeremiah Wright ad, however, would receive lots of free air time on afternoon talk shows and on the Internet, somewhat mitigating McCain's cash disadvantage.

The big problem with such a strategy, however, is this:
4,060,647
2,917,747
869,707
Those are the current numbers of registered and active Democrats, Republicans and independents in Pennsylvania. Democrats make up more than half the total -- 52 percent, in fact -- well outdistancing the Republican's 33 percent. Suppose that McCain were to split Pennsylvania's independents with Obama and win Republicans 92-8. He would need to carry 23-24 percent of Pennsylvania's Democrats to win the state; George Bush carried 15 percent.

As we reported yesterday, however, negative advertising does not seem to be a good strategy for winning over lapsed Democrats; on the contrary, Democratic solidarity has increased markedly in recent weeks, with Barack Obama now on target to win as much support among his party any Democratic nominee has in any recent election.

Frankly, I think Al may be giving the McCain campaign too much credit. My guess is that something like this happened: they ran their usual set of internal polls over the weekend, and saw themselves 5 points down in Colorado and Virginia. 8 points down in Minnesota and Wisconsin, and 10 points down in Iowa and New Mexico. But perhaps Pennsylvania came in at a -6 or something -- not much worse than the others -- and they decided: why worry about all those states when we can worry about just this one.

One of the things I emphasize at Baseball Prospectus is the importance of honest self-assessment. A team can get itself into tons of trouble by convincing itself it has 87-win talent -- making it a fringe playoff contender -- when it fact it has 80-win talent -- making it an also-ran. The same lesson probably applies to internal polling. In addition to the usual problems of optimism bias -- and the unresolved question of whether internal polling is in fact superior to public polling (especially for a campaign that is poor at voter contact) -- campaigns sometimes forget that internal polls contain of margin of error. If you're in the field in a dozen or more states each weekend, you are all but certain to wind up with one or two outliers. Perhaps Pennsylvania was such an outlier for John McCain.

If a campaign gets an internal poll that diverges from the consensus of public polling, it needs to ask itself why the divergence exists. If it cannot explain it, it should probably not treat the internal poll as actionable.

But as reported by the Los Angeles Times, the McCain campaign does not seem to have any particular reason why they think the public polls are wrong in Pennsylvania:
[McCain Political Director Mike Duhaime] said the campaign is operating three dozen offices in the state and is making hundreds of thousands of phone calls every week to identify and persuade potential GOP voters. The data mining efforts are aimed at identifying former Hillary Clinton supporters and independents who are prepared to consider McCain’s message. He said the internal data is “trending” in McCain’s direction and is showing “a lot of things” not apparent in the opinion polls.

Overall, Duhaime said McCain has drawn strong support from what he called a Democrats for McCain movement in and around Scranton, in the state’s western Rust Belt region. “That gives us optimism,” he said.

McCain anticipates good news as well, he said, in the south and central part of the state, near Harrisburg, York and Lancaster -– all cities that the candidate, his wife, Cindy, or running mate Sarah Palin have visited in the last few days.

What is the key phrase in that passage? "Anticipates good news". As in, the McCain campaign does not have any particular idea how they're going to win Pennsylvania, nor why the public polls have the state wrong -- they're just hoping their numbers are right, and hoping that something comes together for them.

As a famous Democrat once said, of course, hope is not a strategy.

179 comments

timschel said...

Nice analysis

sajidms said...

If things tighten in PA, where will that happen? Will it be all about the Philly suburbs again, or do Pittsburgh/the rural areas also become contentious?

Reuben said...

their polls are telling them PA is fertile ground to grow the momentum form their Rev Wright attack.... the final assault.

Clark Miller said...

I was just working up these numbers myself to see where they went. Here's what I get.

Kerry wins PA by 170,000 in 2004
Gore wins PA by 200,000 in 2000

In both races, registered Democrats outnumbered Republicans by approx. 600,000

In 2008, Democrats outnumber Republicans by 1.2 million

African Americans were 13% of the 2004 vote in PA
African Americans went 16% for Bush in 2004 in PA

If AA go 6% for McCain in 2008, and they are 13% of the total turnout, then that amounts to 1.3% difference, or a switch of approx 150,000 (75,000 switching from McCain to Obama).

If Obama equals Kerry’s turnout in PA among 2004 voters, then he would receive 2.94 million votes. Adding 75,000 switched AA voters, gives him 3 million votes. Then, let’s assume that the newly registered Democrats turn out at 50% (total registered voters turned out at 68% in 2004 in PA). Now Obama has 3.3 million votes.

Now, Bush got 2.8 million votes, minus 75,000 AA voters, would give McCain a base of 2.7 million votes. To win, McCain would have to turn out an additional 600,000 votes more than Bush received! This with a current deficit of 11% on RCP.

I don’t see it. Not with polling numbers that were in the 40-41 range all summer, the 42 range in July and August, and topped out at 45.7 during the convention, still losing to Obama by 1.3% at the closest point on Sept. 18, after which time Obama has built a double-digit lead.

Just where are these 600,000 new Republican voters going to come from?

timschel said...

Well if it doesn't come by this weekend they're going to have a really tough time making the sell...

And if it comes any earlier than Friday, I suspect it's going to backfire in a big way since O will be off the trail.

Even so, Obama is going to come back from Hawaii energized. I suspect he is going to be fierce the remainder of the campaign.

Joshua said...

All this weird news coming out of the McCain campaign clusterfuck just serves to reassure me that as long as I am diligent in my GotV efforts McCain has no path to victory. :-)

Impending Obama victory is GREAT NEWS!!!....FOR AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!one

KQuark said...

Unless the McCain campaign thinks it has "the math" like Karl Rove did before the 2006 election, I just don't see how McCain thinks that PA is in play. I thought when he pulled out of MI that it was a strategic blunder. McCain should concentrate on CO and NM which are near his home state and he could have a late surge. I don't want McCain to win but I just don't understand his PA strategy.

Furthermore Obama is now becoming Teflon like Reagan. Noting is sticking for McCain not Ayers, not the socialist nonsense and Write will not either. The reason is that millions of Americans even Independent voters have made their mind up about Obama. Even win the polls were dipping slightly Obama's top number in almost all polls was 49 or higher. Anytime McCain attacks now it just looks like he is ONLY doing for the base.

Bridge said...

These "On the Road" entries are fantastic. Do you guys have a book deal, yet? It would be great too see Brett's photos and Sean's posts? They'd make a fantastic coffee table type book profiling this year's election. Pitch it soon - so I can ask for it for Christmas...

Joshua said...

Recommendation for "On the Road" coffee table book seconded!

GayIthacan said...

Suicidal plan.....

1. Bringing up Wright will simply result in a rash of Hagee and that other nutjob's (starts with 'P') endorsements of McCain (as well as Mccains 'seeking out' Hagee's endorsement) as well.

2. THe negatives will INCREASE Obama's leads in VA and NC - as well as the urban centers of PA.

3. Does anyone honestly think the McCain camp is going to PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE THEIR INTENT like this - so that the 90% who do NOT see it as final desperation will now KNOW what it is?

Ain't gona fly.

sfergus483 said...

I posted at the end of the last thread - Marc Ambinder, who usually goes to bed early, just posted that there is major anger with the RNC over the Palin fashion budget, particularly during an economic meltdown.

Imagine if this had been spend on Michelle Obama and Jill Biden - it would have been the big story of the week. The GOP is still better at this sort of thing (think the John Edwards haircut "scandal.")

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/

Ted Glomski said...

Remember soon after Obama secured the Democratic nomination and he took a vacation with his family, that John McCain came out with some strong and pointed attacks which dug a hole for Obama that took him a few weeks to crawl out of. I expect a "last gasp" out of McCain coming near the end of this week when Obama will be visiting his grandmother to try and have a similar effect. I think it's all he has left.

Brian said...

Does anyone honestly think the McCain camp is going to PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE THEIR INTENT like this

They've been doing it the entire campaign.

Step 1: Announce stupid idea.
Step 2: Do stupid idea.
Step 3: ?
Step 4: Watch numbers go down.

laurentius said...

Good to see Nate on Olbermann-- he really needs to get some sleep!

GayIthacan said...

Ted:

You forget....

Obama now has Biden and THE CLINTONS to do the heavy lifteing while he is away for 2 days.

And I am sure that the ads are all set to run this weekend.

Conor said...

Of course, Obama can definitely still win, even if he loses PA, OH, and FL, as long as he takes IA, CO, NM, NV, and VA (270-268). If you'd told anyone several months ago that a candidate could lose those three traditional swing states and win the election, they'd have laughed you out of the room.

Dr. Jekyll and Mrs. Hyde said...

Hope is not a strategy link is broken....delete the www.blogger.com from the beginning of it.

KurtTappe said...

Very minor point (and yes, I know it was from the LA Times, not you): Scranton is in the Northeastern part of PA, not the "western rust belt". So I'm not really sure how accurate their assessment of that area can be.

KQuark said...

A Republican strategist even said it the other day. McCain has to go positive at some point. His reasoning was simple you cannot send voters to the polls with a bad taste in their mouths. It made a great deal of sense to me. I also think McCain is not taking early voting into his calculations. As we know Obama is crushing McCain in early voting which are driving LV poll numbers up for Obama. I truly expect low turnout for McCain. He just is inspiring too few voters. I don't think McCain has time for another negative offensive. But let him try so he can drive his own negatives to record lows.

Shawn said...

Doesn't Zogby know Nate said they post at 12:45 AM Eastern. Where the hell are my numbers?

Anne said...

Another vote for the coffee table book. I would even get a coffee table to put it on.

The last link on the post is messed up. Use this instead:
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20061115_hillary_vs_the_general/

Ed M. said...

They are hopeless if they still think they are getting Hillary votes because of Palin.

I wind up in fights with women over Palin. I feel sorry for her. I think she's a half-bright, OK person, who didn't understand that this isn't Wasilla and got fed to the wolves by McCain.

All day long, if she comes up, women just savage her. Some of the savaging comes from the people who work downstairs from me and work for Catholic Charities and have "God is pro-life" bumper stickers.

I tried to work this out today and here's the best I can come up with from my responses: Palin is to most women some combination of a Heather's girl cheerleader and a stripper. I always got both kind of responses.

pdb said...

This website will be the death of my business if the economy doesn't get it first. ;-P I think this election is worse than March Madness for productivity.

Nate, Sean, and Brett, thank you so much for what you produce. It is an amazing collection. I love articles like this one. And posts like Clark Miller's about PA voter numbers just make it better.

Jason Henriksen said...

http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=QnE-YJ---GI

Biggest Gaffe EVER!!!

sfergus483 said...

Drudge posted hours ago that Zogby will have an Obama +10 result

GayIthacan said...

Brian:

Good point - though I think it helps to make MY pint as well.

Perhaps this is a HEAD FAKE. They finally realize (after 7 iterations) that their strategy has resulted in a gigantic RECURSION LOOP and they have some other nefarious idea to run while making us THINK this is their latest 'idea'.

Although short of an annuerism or a crashed jet, I do not see McCain winning this one.

Subterranean said...

It's funny to see so many posters panicking at McCain's chance to flip PA's 21 EV's, all while cautioning that Obama can hardly aspire to turn FL and it's 27 EV's.

Reality Check
538 PA Win Share: 98%(O)/2%(M)
538 FL Win Share: 75%(O)/25%(M)

Justin said...

Agreed, nice analysis.

I think based on what we have to go on so far, we can assume McCain's campaign doesn't have some overarching in-depth strategy that we can't see in going for Pennsylvania. It's been one of the most incompetent non-strategic campaigns ever waged, so Occam's Razor would suggest that this is just further incompetence.

That said, in attempting to understand their decision - my guess is that they think that Pennsylvania is the only remaining state which might respond to Wright-a-palooza or whatever McCain has prepared next. They've convinced themselves that all they have left is Appalachia and stoking any potential Bradley effect to attempt to bail them out. McCain simply doesn't have a message to win back the west, so he'll hope OH/FL/VA/NC/IN/MO fall back in line with tightening and then shoot for Western Pennsylvania - the BEST PART OF AMERICA EVER - to win it all.

cher said...

So let's say they do roll out the Rev. Wright stuff which Mc Cain said he did not want to do. Would this help in anyway at all except to quiet down the 'base' such as they are? Polls are showing that people just don't care about it. Seems that Mc Cain should be worrying about history at this point though as a Democrat I am of course as always cautious. I realize that anything can happen but I don't fear the Rev. Wright 'card' as I just don't think it will play well. I think Biden did some serious harm taking everyone's attention off the ball with his comments. Your analysis was great here tonight Nate and it was good to see you on Keith, you are becoming quite the regular. I also appreciated the above post by Clark Miller as I have not been sleeping too well worrying about Pa. The idea of the book is a great idea but as a published author I can tell you that pulling it together will take longer than Christmas if it is done well. When we were waiting for the 'surprise' some nights back when Nate was on Colbert I wondered out loud if it could be a book deal. It would sell for certain for those of us who would live to read back on this with the posts and photo's and all. Got my fix for the night though and hopefully I won't get too worked up now and can sleep. Can't wait for the 4th to come.

John David said...

Nate is wrong.

Zogby posts at 1:00 AM, not 12:45.

jason said...

A team can get itself into tons of trouble by convincing itself it has 87-win talent -- making it a fringe playoff contender -- when it fact it has 80-win talent

A perfect description of the thought process resulting in the 2007 Seattle Mariners, and thus,

Seattle Mariners:Erik Bedard trade::John McCain:Sarah Palin

We just need one more thing to put us over the top.... ohhhh, look at the flaming wreckage.

KurtTappe said...

@Ed M.: Feel sorry for Palin if you like, but I don't for several reasons:
1) She got into this of her own volition--nobody forced her to do it.
2) She visibly has ambition--and she let that ambition outweigh all other concerns (family, lack of experience, baggage.)
3) She has been very haughty and condescending, as if she's owed the same (or more) respect that Obama gets, when he's paid his dues and she hasn't.

Pride goeth before a fall.

Adam said...

[rampant speculation from a layman]
Hm... what if McCain were hoping to put a handful of states within striking range, all at once?

If I'm McCain, maybe I'm hoping for an earth-shattering event that would push me up in national numbers - not just in any one state.

If that's the case, I wouldn't be spending my time trying to turn Nevada from O+2 to even. Rather, I'd want to put more states in striking distance - those that are, say, O+8 right now, push those down to O+3, and hope that this "event" gives me a bounce.

Perhaps I even have some idea that this bounce will play differently in different states. Looking at PA vs CO, I could look at PA not having early voting, so a late boost is more likely to help there. Or maybe my polling indicates that some national-event-I-hope-for may have more of an effect in PA than out West.

I'm not feeling paranoid of some October surprise - a racist bombshell, or a literal one - but rather, wonder if McCain's hope is in boosting his numbers nationally. Given current numbers and trends, his state-by-state odds are diminishing. But if he can get a few states in striking range, then universally raise his numbers a few points... he suddenly has more options.

[/rampant]

texasyojimbo82 said...

1. The polling "trend" in West Virginia has been "positive." (I recognize that this may just be a mirage resulting from a couple of outliers a week or two ago that have since been disconfirmed). West Virginia polls are probably a good indicator of what is going on across the state line in Western Pennsylvania. This may be giving McCain some hope.

2. Pennsylvania was of course a problem state for Obama in the primaries. (Though he did pull a double-digit deficit down to 9 points, which is about what the final polling in PA suggested).

3. There seems to be some irrational belief among conservatives that a Bradley Effect will carry them to victory (pleasant thought, eh?).

4. I completely agree with Al Giordano's analysis that the McCain people are essentially counting on racism to work in their favor in Pennsylvania.

5. You mention of course that Obama has a built-in partisan advantage, but it seems to me that Pennsylvania may be one of the last places in the country where there is still some significant PUMA factor, if only because Pennsylvania is one of the oldest and most "blue collar" states in the country. I'm not going to bank on national-level cross-tabs applying in Pennsylvania.

However...

6. The Muhlenberg tracking poll (http://www.muhlenberg.edu/studorgs/polling/documents/Release_10_20.pdf) has a quesion asking how solid support is for the candidates. Obama's support is 85 "definitely voting for" versus 84 for McCain. If anything, Obama's base seems more solid than McCain's. Not a good sign for McCain if he is banking on unenthusiastic Hillary voters to switch.

7. We're really at a point where very few voters are going to change their minds. ANES (http://www.electionstudies.org/nesguide/toptable/tab9a_3.htm) tells us that historically, about three out of four voters have already decided by the time the last two weeks of the campaign rolls around (19 percent decided in the last two weeks of 96, 23 percent in the last two weeks of 2000, and only 15 percent in the last two weeks of 2004). The number of persuadables is definitely shrinking fast. And again, if we take Muhlenberg at its face value, only 15 percent of Obama's voters have any inclination to switch. Which all leads to the question - is Obama's lead simply insurmountable?

8. Of course, McCain could be hoping to outhustle Obama with GOTV in Pennsylvania, but I doubt that will make up the difference.

9. All in all, I have to agree that McCain is going for broke. As we all know, he is an insatiable gambler and all he's got left is hope...

John David said...

Zogby tracking poll:

Obama 51.6
McCain 42.0

Ed M. said...

1) She got into this of her own volition--nobody forced her to do it.

I'm not a Palin fan, but really, do you think she knew what sort of shark tank she was climbing into?

Someone gave her a set of lines, and she recited them and didn't have a clue what they meant.

I just got done arguing with my sister about how she was just a bitch and me sympathizing with her was just me being a patronizing, male idiot for making excuses for her but I seriously think if they had found some podunk, male, nobody and told them they could be VP and handed him a script I'd feel sorry for him to.

Vote said...

Minnesota Meta-Polling: If Obama wins MN with 55.17%, Franken wins too

How the Base was Won

Shawn said...

Zogby Link

DCM in FL said...

Zogby is excellent news for Obama - right where Mac wants him: pulling away more every day ???

+9.6 after showing it close @ +2.7 only 3 days ago

that is a 6.9% increase in 72 hours, meaning HUGE #'s since the Powell endorsement...

Zog's comments this am:

"These numbers, if they hold, are blowout numbers. They fit the 1980 model with Reagan's victory over Carter -- but they are happening 12 days before Reagan blasted ahead. If Obama wins like this we can be talking not only victory but realignment..."

WOW

wonder if Zogby has heard of 538 yet - Nate, I bet he has been lurking here lately

GayIthacan said...

Today's (10.22) still not posted yet. (1:08)

Shawn said...

Zogby Text:

"he leads by 27 points among Independents, 27 points among those who have already voted, 16 among newly registered voters, 31 among Hispanics, 93%-2% among African Americans, 16 among women, 27 among those 18-29, 5 among 30-49 year olds, 8 among 50-64s, 4 among those over 65, 25 among Moderates, and 12 among Catholics (which is better than Bill Clinton's 10-point victory among Catholics in 1996). He leads with men by 2 points, and is down among whites by only 6 points, down 2 in armed forces households, 3 among investors, and is tied among NASCAR fans"


WOW!

Clark Miller said...

@ pdb and cher

Thanks for your kind words!

Josh said...

This Pennsylvania strategy just seems insane to me. I don't get it. You make a good point that such a strategy (ignoring the west for PA) only makes sense if they are going with race card (Jeremiah Wright.)

I just don't see how Wright is going to work though, especially in Pennsylvania. Isn't that REALLY old news? Won't it just look like another desperate attack particularly with McCain saying he wouldn't talk about Wright?

And what about Palin's pastor problems (WITCH HUNTER) will the media talk about those in response? It seems only fair. And Palin's witch hunter pastor is definitely fresher news than Wright.

Man it seems like the McCain/Palin campaign is just going from one ridiculous attack (remember ACORN? to the next with no real rhyme or reason. They're just throwing everything they can think of at the wall and hoping some of it will stick.

By throwing everything at the wall they've made all of their attacks look desperate.

Mr. X said...

I can see the strategic thinking behind a Wright gambit in PA, even though it probably won't work. McCain has already tarnished his late-90's brand, so he might as well leave no attack unused before election day. Moreover, better to try for a game-changer in a state that would fundamentally alter the race, rather than sticking a finger in the dike in Colorado or North Carolina, only to see the leak spring elsewhere (VA, IN, FL).

That said, I view this as a low-percentage play. The whole thing sets up yet another round of "It's the economy, stupid"-style counters that will be more likely to resonate with the voters. Unfortunately for McCain, that ship had already sailed on the GOP by the time he discovered Joe the Plumber.

JRoyale said...

I think John McCain went to the "metaphorical" craps table and just bet everything on rolling double 7's. Good luck with that.

Jeff said...

First-time poster but long-time 538 addict.

I read earlier on this website (I think) that PA might be the focus for McCain because PA does not have early voting and (if I recall correctly) only electronic no-receipt voting. Any truth to this? Stealing the vote isn't outside the Repube playbook.

PS, voted today in SF. That's another one for That One from the UnAmerican Bay Area.

Justin said...

Off-topic:

Any chance we can get an update on what the polls are saying about early voting? I think if we have what percentage of RVs have already voted, who they voted for, and who the yet-to-votes plan to vote for, predictions can be much improved.

E.g., if in North Carolina 30% of RVs have voted, two-thirds for Obama, then Obama has 20% of RVs banked and McCain 10%. McCain's thus going to need 40% of the remaining 70% of voters on election day. That's a fairly tall order to overcome on election day.

Mark said...

Those party registration numbers speak for themselves. McCain cannot flip Pennsylvania unless he conjures up that mythical "whitey" tape...and I'm pretty darn sure that tape doesn't actually exist.

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Clark Miller said...

@ justin

Here's your source for keeping up to date on early voting totals:

http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2008.html

Frank said...

Going with Wright will be fatal to McCain. It cannot stick due to simple psychology. The rapid-fire exagerations that the campaign, Palin, and other Republicans have put in the media have made the moderates sceptical of any new claim (cry wolf too many times you get eaten by the wolf if it ever shows up.) Also, it will be viewed as more negative politics at a time when the country needs a leader with vision and problem-solving skills (further dimishing perceptions of McCain.)

The only positive for McCain, is that it might energize the part of the base that listens to Rush ... but may also cause more Buckley-style defections.

Robert said...

To be fair to the McCain campaign, "anticipate good news" could mean "anticipate good public news," by which they mean a mean a favorable result from an independent pollster.

Ed M. said...

I just don't see how Wright is going to work though, especially in Pennsylvania. Isn't that REALLY old news? Won't it just look like another desperate attack particularly with McCain saying he wouldn't talk about Wright?

I hope they go out this route. We've heard the Democratic nominee be called a terrorist, a socialist, etc.. and I don't think this has ever happened before. Why bother being coy, bring out Wright and end the whole sorry mess.

When the terrorist, socialist, racist wins we can pretty much ignore the right until they get mad and start up their terrorism again and send them on meathooks to gitmo.

sfergus483 said...

McCain using Wright as centerpiece in campaign = Colin Powell joining Barack Obama for a half hour chat on TV next week.

I really think it would rouse Powell to step up his support at least.

Maybe McCain approves it in pique at Powell (remember he chose Palin because of pique that no one else supported picking Lieberman.)

Chi said...

jeff,

Hi! Fellow San Franciscan over here, and I already cast my ballot for guess who?? Yes, PA does not have early voting. Polls show Barack is in the 10-14 point lead over McCain, but some believe that the McCain's internal polls may be much closer. Probably the reason why McCain wants to make a mad dash for it. I also read somewhere that Ed Rendell was pleading to Barack and his surrogates to come back to the state.

beamman said...

"http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=QnE-YJ---GI

Biggest Gaffe EVER!!!"

HOLY SHIT!! You know, I never before quite bought into the dementia argument about McCain, but his inability to recover from his verbal slip in a good 2-3 tries is significant.

WE CAN'T HAVE THIS GUY AS OUR PRESIDENT!!

Mike B. said...

I just got done arguing with my sister about how she was just a bitch and me sympathizing with her was just me being a patronizing, male idiot for making excuses for her but I seriously think if they had found some podunk, male, nobody and told them they could be VP and handed him a script I'd feel sorry for him to.

Thing is, I don't see any evidence that she's actually unhappy with this state of affairs, other than the fact that they're down in the polls. She'd have to follow the news to appreciate what a laughingstock she's become--all she knows is that she's speaking in front of large, adoring crowds.

Beyond that, I just think she's convinced that Jesus wants her to be president, and therefore it doesn't really matter if she's out of her depth or if she has to tell transparent lies along the way. It's what the GOP has cultivated and pretty much all it's left with.

Subterranean said...

ed m. noted:

"We've heard the Democratic nominee be called a terrorist, a socialist, etc..."

You omit PeteKent's salacious suspicion of bisexuality. :D

Jason said...

Two questions:

1. How can McCain hope to make any headway in Pennsylvania when he also has to spend his limited resources defending Florida, Ohio, Indiana, Missouri, Nevada, North Carolina, and (ideally) Virginia? Don't forget that Hillary won Pennsylvania because she basically lived there for six weeks throwing back shots with the locals, and she drove a dump truck full of money into the state, AND she was ahead in the polls there in the first place.

2) How will a fresh Wright and Bitters ad hominem offensive play while Obama is sitting at what might be his grandmother's deathbed? You can't cast aspersions on a man's character while the entire country is sympathizing with his devotion to the woman who raised him. I would imagine that if McCain tried another "Obama is not like you" ad campaign during that time, the public backlash would be enormous.

Instead, McCain will have to wait until Obama is back on the trail to make his final attacks, and by then it will be too late to matter, what with the Barack Obama National Half-Hour Fun Time Hour coming up next Wednesday.

Pretty bleak indeed. Get ready to watch an old man flail like he's never flailed before.

Nightson said...

Maybe good news is his euphemism for racist support after they start the Wright ads.

divinus said...

Any chance we can get an
"Obama loses PA, Wins election"
scenario added to the analysis?

If this is going to be the McCain/Palin strategy, then it would be keen to see how those numbers actually affect things.

Ed M. said...

Beyond that, I just think she's convinced that Jesus wants her to be president, and therefore it doesn't really matter if she's out of her depth or if she has to tell transparent lies along the way.

Maybe a crucial element I was missing was any belief whatsoever that Sarah Palin was ever going to be vice-president.

Nick said...

If you want to bet that McCain is REALLY a gambler, bet that he will pick a new running mate. McCain has to know that Palin is the 1,000 lb. anchor tied to his leg at this point. Maybe Palin will suddenly need to spend more time with her family, and some poor sucker will step up. It's the ultimate gamble for him.

sfergus483 said...

Gone are the good old days of smears.

In the early 1950s, George Smathers challenged New Deal Dem Senator Claude Pepper in the primary (tantamount to election then in Florida). Apart from calling him Red Pepper, he also said his wife was a thespian and that he had matriculated through college.

True story. The attacks were very successful and won the race for Smathers.

Smather later became JFK's best buddy in the Senate, and Pepper returned to the House where he had a long career.

wald0095 said...

I actually think that the comments by Murtha help Obama there, not sure if he took one for the team or if it was unintentional, but calling them racists and rednecks could possibly help to shame the weak racists that believe in his policies into voting for him. Generally insulting something about someones character will not cause them to give in to that aspect of their character. Quite the opposite. He could be an Obama led prestrike agaisnt Wright.

Not that Wright is going to have that much effect even if it was used. You had to be living under a rock if you didn't hear it 10000 times in the primary.

Another interesting theory that I have heard lately is that Palin has gone rogue. She is keeping with the schedule but no longer really staying on task with McCain as much as she should be. That her coming out recently and upping the attacks and more public appearances are her ideas, not his, and that he really has no control anymore. But, being a politician she has to realize, detach from the sinking ship. If it is over, bolster yourself for later. At this point though, there really isn't anything he could do. Can't fire her. Can't hide her in a cave. He's stuck with her, with no control. Hell of a leader.

pmags said...

zogby poll for 10/22 just rolled out

obama +10

Ed M. said...

You omit PeteKent's salacious suspicion of bisexuality. :D

Seriously, this is a layer of mud no one has ever seen before. I remember Bill Clinton had this sort of underground whisper campaign on him about his trip to the Soviet Union and how he was a crypto-communist but you didn't have Bush spewing it. It was left to to the rights CHUD sort of scum.

DCM in FL said...

Early voting in FL is scandalouly bad...

long lines all over the state, hours to wait to vote...

so today I requested an absentee ballot rather than risk waiting in line in the blazing sun all day

they knew this was coming, but it is part of the voter suppression effort by the state GOPer machine to try to pull out a victory from the jaws of a crushing defeat

it will not work, as Obama enthusiasm is sky high - people are willing to wait to cast that ballot for change

and the turnout is heaviest among the young & first-time voters & overwhelmingly the AA's

in my area of central FL they are providing only 5 polls for an entire county [Volusia] with severely limited hours [Mon-Sat 8-4] that do not cater to working people at all

but the report I got from the local poll worker was "[she] has never seen so many black folks in [her] life in our area - they are arrivng by the busload and waiting in line for 2 hours to vote."

AMEN, and pass the pie !

FL is going BLUE - red is so GW Bush...

Bjorn said...

What's going on with North Dakota? Pollster.com has it as a swing state, but it's solid red in the projections on this site. Thanks. Also good post on hope not being a strategy. But maybe mccain knows something we don't. :o

rossi said...

OK Nate,

It seems you cut down on the "you know" phrase crutch on Olbermann tonight, good start.

But you still have work to do, my friend! I love the fact you're getting air time (you deserve it).

But you HAVE to lose this crutch. And please, please, please do NOT replace it with the Bill O'Reilly (and every other pundit) "LOOK" at the start of every sentence.

Keep at it!

DCM in FL said...

moreon FL early voting

initial tally of voters was released on Tuesday for the first day.

Volusia County recorded over 6,000 votes cast compared to only 2,500 in 2004 [more than double]

this county recorded almost 40% of the votes cast in advance in 2004 18& early voting & 19% by absentee

this year they project OVER 50% of the votes will be cast before Nov 4th !!!

personally, I would not be surprised if it is more like 60% here since the absentee requests are up as well as greater demand for early voting.

we are banking big vote margins for Obama already IMHO

fwiw

neal said...

Clark Miller, very nice #s crunching.
Beamman, great clip!

You know, McCain is 72 years old. He is amazingly sharp.
We are seeing the reality of a man born in 1936 trying to perform at the level required of a presidential candidate (who is not a popular incumbent, or heir apparent of one).
McCain's terrible miscues and erratic choices are somewhat shocking.
Perhaps this is because the juxtaposition is with the Obama camp which is so definitively competent (unlike past dem campaigns).
The thought of McCain as president is truly frightening, which it certainly wasn't a year ago, heck even 6-8 months ago it wasn't that terrifying.

Paul said...

[ot]
timschel said...
...Obama is going to come back from Hawaii energized.


As nice as Hawaii is, no one comes back "energized" from seeing a seriously ill grandmother.
[/ot]

beamman said...

neal--don't thank me, credit to Jason Henriksen for that youtube link.

chopperjc said...

DCM in Fl. 90 minutes on the first day in dade cty. Other reports from "my out in the field reports" were 60 minutes in Duvall on Tuesday. 60 minute in Orlando. 2 hours in Broward. 30 minutes in WPB. 5 minutes in Lee? I worked for a company with several offices throuighout Florida. All but the Lee county thing said nobody has ever seen anything like the turnout that is happening.

humanist said...

This is reminiscent of Dole's push for California.

There are two things here. First, it is natural under such stress to focus on ONE tangible target. So you look for the one gain that could give you a victory, instead of a combination of gains.

Second, those people are not as poll-centric as you, Nate (rather rightly) are. They think through history. They remember that California used to be Republican, or that Pennsylvania used to be competitive, and they think this history is in and of itself predictive.

It is the luxury of the winner to be rational.

Priest said...

I'm inclined to liken McCain's assault on Pennsylvania with Lee's invasion of Pennsylvania, or maybe the Battle of the Bulge. If you know you can't win playing defense, you've got to choose the best option for an offensive move, even if the odds of success are unlikely.

Presume that their numbers show IA & VA as lost; that being the case, if McCain can't take any Kerry states, then it's over. If he can take PA, he can lose IA, VA, NM & CO and still win. Holding onto FL, OH, NC, IN, and NV, while necessary, do not get a win. So they're hoping the defense holds in those states, and they can force a miracle in PA.

The chance of success is remote, but I don't see McCain conceding before the election; he's (ahem) rolling the dice and trying to get lucky.

Fleisch said...

McCain isn't bringing hope to PA; he's bringing fear and loathing.

DCM in FL said...

Mac is destined to be a 'b' list celebrity after this Nov electoral defeat...

I expect to see him on 'Dancing with tha Stars' next season - if Cloris Leachman can do it @ 82, then why not John @ 72 ???

he will probably have a lot of spare time on his hands

after all they have had a deaf dancer, one legged dancer, gay dancers, 'large' dancers, so he would make an appropriate sideshow

Ari said...

Pennsylvania has an average number of African Americans (compared to the national average) — about 11.5%.

A purely racist campaign by McCain will mean long, long lines in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia as these folks turn out to vote. In a lily-white state this gambit might work out, but a blitz of "Obama is black and that is bad" will work to energise Democrats (black and otherwise) as well as others in Pennslyvania, and perhaps other states as well.

Desperate times, desperate measures.

Green said...

This cracked me up.... and I don't even know why.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMPNWT6NxMY

See other clips on the page as well.

So, when will the state polls boost after today's pretty favorable nationals?

Oliver said...

I guess I think the explanation of this McCain strategy is the simplest explanation of all: there is no strategy.

Sometimes you just know you are going to lose and you still have to mark time somehow. Why Pennsylvania? Well, why not Pennsylvania? McCain needs a miracle, and the best he can do while he's waiting for one is to make sure to look busy.

phil said...

McCain's logic is simple: through early voting, he's already lost CO/etc., and since PA doesn't have early voting, he hasn't lost PA yet.

Of course he will; it'll just have to wait until November.

DCM in FL said...

CHOP - on Monday I saw on the local news channels that Orange County [Orlando] had lines several blocks long & waits up to 3 hours

of course part of that might have been due to Obama's big rally with Hillary spiking enthusiasm in central FL off the charts

but the site: http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2008.html

indicates that for the first day alone they recorded 2.0% of all registered FL voters cast early balllots across the state:

Florida (66 of 67 counties reporting, in-person only)

151,610 - 2008 early votes [in person]
2.0% - percentage of 2004 total votes cast
7,640,319 - 2004 total votes
36.1% - 2004 % early votes cast 10/21 - last date updated

aidan said...

just curious about this comment from GOP strategists, also from the LA Times article. hubris? It's just seems like an odd remark to me. Why wouldn't Obama be able to match Kerry's performance, especially w/ Dem enthusiasm running so high this year? The Hillary factor? Your thoughts? thanks!

"Duhaime predicted that McCain would surprise prognosticators even in Philadelphia, a Democratic stronghold where Obama is seen to hold a hammerlock. Kerry won the city by more than 400,000 votes four years ago, winning every single ward. Duhaime said that Obama wouldn't be able to repeat that feat, however, and that McCain would garner more votes than Bush did in the city."

DCM in FL said...

AIDAN

what else can any GOPer 'strategist' say or do at this point ?

even Zogby looks like he jumped the trainwreck this morning in his comments that:

"These numbers, if they hold, are blowout numbers. They fit the 1980 model with Reagan's victory over Carter -- but they are happening 12 days before Reagan blasted ahead.

If Obama wins like this we can be talking not only victory but realignment: he leads by 27 points among Independents, 27 points among those who have already voted, 16 among newly registered voters, 31 among Hispanics, 93%-2% among African Americans, 16 among women, 27 among those 18-29, 5 among 30-49 year olds, 8 among 50-64s, 4 among those over 65, 25 among Moderates, and 12 among Catholics (which is better than Bill Clinton's 10-point victory among Catholics in 1996). He leads with men by 2 points, and is down among whites by only 6 points, down 2 in armed forces households, 3 among investors, and is tied among NASCAR fans.”

OBAMA IS TIED WITH MAC FOR NASCAR FANS !!!

FL & GA & NC & VA [base of NASCAR nation] are all going BLUE if Zogby is correct...

hot damm, no wonder they had the First Dude at a NASCAR race last weekend...

Palin is Failin

CA Hawkeye said...

nate,

really interesting post and analysis. Are you suggesting hubris in the McCain analysis of polling. I'm shocked.

I do not think it will work, although it will likely make make for an ugly and nerve racking week.

It would have been interesting to also include Obama's paths to victory without PA.

GOBAMA!!!

winniechili said...

I was going to try to come up with some witty comment about the utter ridiculousness of the McCain campaign, but it's just too pathetic. I can't devote my brain power to this.

CA Hawkeye said...

@Brian from far above

Does anyone honestly think the McCain camp is going to PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE THEIR INTENT like this

They've been doing it the entire campaign.

Step 1: Announce stupid idea.
Step 2: Do stupid idea.
Step 3: ?
Step 4: Watch numbers go down.


I think Step 3 is more like "Exclaim WTF!" then watch numbers go down.

:)

DCM in FL said...

go ahead, WINNIE & milk a witty comment...

how about an 'udderly religulous' campaign

props to the CA cows & Bill Maher

sorry,lame cuz it is late here in FL

Green said...

John Stewart just showed a clip of McCain in 2000 at a town hall where he said it's OK to have higher tax for people making more money. (responding to a girl whose father is a doctor)

2000 McCain is missed.

MATT J. H. said...

It's clear Mccain does not have the resources to play on the Obama playing field from coast to coast. McCain needs to plant his ass in PA, hope for a miracle, maybe bring up J. Wright, and start praying.

Rendell is getting nervous about PA but the Obama campaign does not seem worried. I think this thing is done. I want to see a spanking on Nov 4.

dbrane said...

McCain's strategy makes sense. Focus on PA and pray for a heavy snowstorm in Philly on election day. He's going to need an act of God to win, this way God can focus on one city.

Wilson said...

McCain and his campaign team are clutching at straws.
The campaign team is now all at sea and the charge for PA is only for appearances' sake as there is now very little left in the war chest like cash, ideas, tactics etc, other than continuing gaffes, and mis-steps.
Like PA speech, Palin's campaign funded wardrobe, etc, etc.

The McCain team & GOPers are loosing the momentum and the looming dem races - Pres, Senate, congress all look like a tsunami on the horizon, approaching swiftly.

I think it's time for McCain especially to salvage his good name, while he has the remaining days to the inevitable loss on 11/4.

Little Miss Misha said...

I actually think that the comments by Murtha help Obama there, not sure if he took one for the team or if it was unintentional, but calling them racists and rednecks could possibly help to shame the weak racists that believe in his policies into voting for him. Generally insulting something about someones character will not cause them to give in to that aspect of their character. Quite the opposite. He could be an Obama led prestrike agaisnt Wright."

You have no idea!! I live in Pittsburgh, but apparently even though where I live isn't the Murtha district, so many people I've spoken to have changed their tune about voting for Obama. All of a sudden, they're so offended over being called racist that they've taken a fresh look at the views of the Obama/Biden ticket. Of course, I can't and certainly wouldn't speak for everyone in this area. It's just been my experience in a suburb of Pittsburgh that I know for a fact to be particularly racist.

I just don't see the McCain assault working on Pennsylvania. I watched the rally at Robert Morris University on the news tonight, and the candidate himself brought nowhere near the excitement that Michelle Obama did on behalf of her husband.

McCain's tactics might work in some of the more rural areas or the more upper-class (i.e conservative) suburbs of Philadelphia or Pittsburgh, but as a whole I see this destined to fail. Without these two metropolitan areas, you can't carry the rest of the state.

And P.S. first time poster, but long time watcher of this site. Big, big fan, and I check it many times throughout the day.

OBAMA IN '08!!!!!!!!!!

chopperjc said...

Nice info thanx. When I voted it was "festive" My little corner of the world has been 50 -50. In line it was all Obama. The feeling was different. Everybody there knew they were there supporting a cause. A little romantic I know but just reporting what I saw and felt.

chopperjc said...

Also went to see Obama in Miami today. It was crazy and a lot of fun.

Colm said...

"A team can get itself into tons of trouble by convincing itself it has 87-win talent... when it fact it has 80-win talent."
God lord, John McCain is the 2008 Seattle Mariners of candidates. That's a terrible thing to be.

STepper said...

After having been screwed and lied to for 8 years, and after seeing no apparent change in Iraq policy after the resounding Dem House & Senate victories in 2006, the American public is following this election very very closely.

That's why McCain's negative commercials aren't sticking, but boomeranging on him.

Palin was an exciting choice for a lot of people who didn't know her. But then they began to follow things closely and she boomeranged on McCain, too.

People listened when Phil Gramm told us we were a nation of whiners and that a recession was only in our heads. And they cheered John McCain's 19th claim during 2008 that the fundamentals of the economy were strong. But they were paying attention 3 hours later when the economy melted down.

They also heard McCain when he reversed his long held positions on many issues, as he prostituted himself to his base, since he failed for months to create a GOTV infrastructure. And when McCain flip flopped from his long-held position that it was unseemly for the wealthy to get more tax breaks. Another pander to recent Republican orthodoxy.

And because most American voters have IQs at least slightly above room temperature, everything McCain did that was transparent, or phony, or stoopid, resonated with the voting public (or at least a goodly portion of it) for what it was.

When the American public was payting close attention, Steve Schmidt (the McCain hater), and Rick Davis (the lobbyist money grubber) ran the

WORST. PRESIDENTIAL. CAMPAIGN. EVER.

They probably still would have lost if they hadn't made so many mistakes, but they and McCain and Palin are going to be humilated. And it serves them right. Too bad a Bush wasn't running this time.

RedHawksO4 said...

I suppose he (McCain) doesn't have much of a choice here, but this seems like grasping for straws as far as I'm concerned.

The End of the American Honeymoon

DCM in FL said...

OMG, are we supposed to be able to see an online list of all the names of people who have actually voted in our elections ?

when I checked for the most recent tally online, it shows me all the names & where they voted:

sample:

RecordType CountyId FvrsElectionNumber ElectionDate ElectionName FvrsVoterIdNumber VoterName AbsPrecinct AbsParty Location DateofEarlyVote
EVtrs VOL 9250 11/04/2008 2008 General Election 108583564 Aberegg, Sandra J 722 DEM Daytona Beach Regional Library 10/20/2008
EVtrs VOL 9250 11/04/2008 2008 General Election 108578950 Aberegg, Terry H 722 DEM
------------------------------------

that is sorta creepy, no ?

@ https://doe.dos.state.fl.us/fvrscountyballotreports/FVRSAvailableFiles.aspx

I clicked on the file for my county [Volusia] and in the left hand column those files download to show the list of all voters who have cast votes in each listed election,including the current early voting period...

is that kosher ?

Green said...

McCain will play in PA and on Sunday or Monday before the election he will announce his support for flat tax of 17% across the board. He'll use the rest of his cash to unleash commercials about the policy.

No time to respond, Obama will have to rely on people's innate sense (good luck) and media push back.

Sounds wierd I know!

As for Rev Wright, he can try to win with appeal to racial fears and Obama "otherness" but he will not be able to govern... congress and 10's of millions will rebel.
So, he won't be the leader even though he won. I wonder if he's that sick?

Wright is too risky... trial ballons allow them to see the initial reaction... Obama's team has probably warned them that it will be nuke war with Pastor Hagee, G. Gordon Liddy, etc dragged out.

The public shame factor by media would sink big Mac. Not to mention his 180 on bringing up Wright would make him look so slimily desperate.

DCM in FL said...

CHOP

check for your county, did you say Broward [are you Ft Lauderdale/Hollywood ?]

see if your name shows up on the list... check the large files in the left side columns

sfergus483 said...

DCM

Voting records (who is registered, who has voted) are always available to the public.

Among other things, particularly with early voting, it allows campaigns to see who they still need to get to the polls.

This has been the case from time immemorial.

Having it online now is just a natural consequence.

kelly said...

I'm signed up to canvass in Harrisburg PA on Nov 1st and 2nd - unfortunately I have class Monday and can't miss it. We need to focus on GOTV! Anyone in MD who's interested, I've got the out of state volunteer organizer's email. Maybe we can car pool... I'm in Columbia.

Chuck said...

McCain was hilarious today when he misspoke at a western PA rally today: McCain said, "There has been nasty things said about the people here in western PA...and I couldn't agree more!"

DCM in FL said...

kinda creepy to make it that public

I thought the campaigns did a public record search at the hallof records or something

this is too much readily available info for real time since it shows who voted when & even where they cast the vote

wonder how they log the absentee ballots they they have received but are not supposed to count until Nov 4th...

chopperjc said...

That Florida thing is a little creepy. Saw my name listed.

matador said...

CA Hawkeye said...
@Brian from far above

Does anyone honestly think the McCain camp is going to PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE THEIR INTENT like this

They've been doing it the entire campaign.

Step 1: Announce stupid idea.
Step 2: Do stupid idea.
Step 3: ?
Step 4: Watch numbers go down.


I think Step 3 is more like "Exclaim WTF!" then watch numbers go down.

:)

October 22, 2008 1:09 AM

*************

love this.
what about step 3:
"We suspend the campaign again" ????

next.

p.s.
keep on fightin' buddyes,don't be complacent,it's not over.
:)

sfergus483 said...

Again, it is a public record. These days, most public records go online - court cases, licences. Voting is no different.

Welcome to the cyber age. That's how we do things.

DCM in FL said...

CHOP

now you will probably get audited since it also shows your party ID & where you cast that ballot,you socialist lover...

is it 'chopper' cuz you have a harley ?

Biketober Fest just ended up here in the Daytona area

paprbackwriter16 said...

DCM,

Your Dancing With the Stars notion is intriguing, but it overlooks one tiny detail: Cloris Leachman is a zillion times cooler than McCain.

"Those who are late do not get fruit cup."

Actually, that will make a suitable eulogy for the McCain campaign if things stay as they are...

matador said...

step 3 update:

what about:
"My friends,we got a stupid idea,you betcha,just wait..."
:P

DCM in FL said...

SFERGUS

and Mac wants to put everyone's medical records online

that is all too much info, too readily available

that is too public for public records IMHO

one should always be allowed to opt out w/o giving up the right to privacy or to vote

Ku said...

Thanks again pal. Precise analysis as always, especially the reference to baseball. It was also good to see you in Countdown but you really need some sleep...I live in Japan and you look to me like you're readi for "karoushi" (death by overwork)

DCM in FL said...

PAPERBACK

well Cloris can sure swear like a sailor- but then so can John McCain since we all know what he called his wife in public...

both are sorta in the crypt keeper cult...

chopperjc said...

Chopper is for my "short game" Funny and embarrasing I am still a reg republican. I was lost 16 years ago when I did that. I never changed.

Ian said...

Don't get to confident about Colorado! Just because John McCain is reducing spending, doesn't mean that the republicans have given up on that state (at least the local republicans).

Look here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/us/politics/09voting.html?pagewanted=all

Apparently, the republicans will throw legality out the window when facing long odds. They will even resort to out-and-out removing tens of thousands of newly registered voters from the rolls (the vasty majority of which are democratic) FOR NO REASON!

I don't know what can be done about this. I feel quite powerless, here on the east coast. I guess I'll just push harder for Obama in New Hampshire, and hope he has built up an insurmountable lead in Colorado.

Blue South said...

A few problems with the McCain strategy.

During primetime its doubtful any station would air any new ad more than twice (once local and once national). And, Obama is outspending McCain 2 or 3 to 1 in most places. That means if McCain puts out a great ad that gets played on the news every night he MIGHT equal Obama's coverage of the networks during primetime.

How many people don't know that Obama has a crazy preacher?

If McCain wins PA and only loses 3 Bush states he is fine. But what about VA, NC, OH, FL and NV, all places where he is down by at least a little.

Hank said...

> God lord, John McCain is the 2008> Seattle Mariners of candidates. > That's a terrible thing to be.

Not as bad as living here and having to watch them. And root for them.

DCM in FL said...

CHOP

I guess I better assume that refers to your golf game...

and not to an unfortunate experience as an infant during a 'bris' encounter with a 'mohel', oy...

that would be another type of short game altogether

but glad to see you are a registered REP for Obama !!!

in these parts usually it is the southern DEMs by birth that never get around to changing their party IDs despite going GOPer

matador said...

Ian said...
Don't get to confident about Colorado!
Apparently, the republicans will throw legality out the window when facing long odds. They will even resort to out-and-out removing tens of thousands of newly registered voters from the rolls (the vasty majority of which are democratic) FOR NO REASON!

I don't know what can be done about this.

**************

@Ian,
Obama knows....:



Armies of Lawyers Are Ready to Roll

"...Obama, in particular, has assembled what is de facto the nation's largest law firm, with 5000 lawyers ready to sue at the drop of a ballot..."

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

DCM in FL said...

on the road to IDAHO with the man, SEAN...

chopperjc said...

That was funny.

CA Hawkeye said...

@matador: we'll keep fighting. It's the only thing that has gotten us through the past two POTUS elections.

@Little Miss Misha said...
Thanks for your insightful local observations. Keep posting.

Not the best person to invoke, but Mondale was advised, when it was clear that he would not win, to run a campaign that his grandchildren will look back on with pride. McCain should heed that advice. But, we are seeing the true snake he is. In reality, his political career has had three phases:
1) Financially corrupt politician
2) Half-hearted reformist
3) Morally corrupt politician

When this is over, I would like to see the Senate boo him when he returns. Or better yet, just get up and silently walk out...leaving him there alone.

Josiah said...

McCain is an inveterate gambler, and his chips are down. So he's putting everything he's got left on one square, hoping that the ball will stop on his number. Of course, like all gamblers, he's forgetting that the house always wins.

"They call you Lady Luck, but there is room for doubt..."

CA Hawkeye said...

And as for Dancing With The Stars, during a red carpet interview Leachman confessed that she peed her pants during one dance. Do you think McCain would do the same. As his campaign slogan goes "Change Depends"

CA Hawkeye said...

@Ian said:

Read Robert F. Kennedys piece on voter suppression in Rolling Stome. It will really make you sick. This has been there tactic for years. If he is elected, I am interested to see if BO revises HAVA.

EmonOkari said...

According to the model McCain currently has less chance to flip Pennsylvania than Obama has of winning Arkansas, Georgia, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, or West Virginia. And if this really IS McCain's final hail-mary...then how wise does picking the white catholic from Scranton look?

robtomorrow said...

McCain is going to play the race card in Pennsylvania, which makes it all the more portent his gaff today on the campaign trail when he said he entirely agreed with John Murtha that Pennsylvania is a racist state.

A Freudian slip if ever I heard one.

GaMeS said...

Gotta give 'em some credit: This latest strategy is probably McCain's best possible shot at the presidency.

Look at Nate's win percentages for McCain in a few key states:

PA - 2% - 21 EVs
CO - 11% - 9 EVs
NH - 7% - 5 EVs
NM - 6% - 5 EVs

If electoral outcomes were independent (again, I know this isn't true, but let's just say), then McCain would have only a .11 * .07 * .06 = 0.0462% chance to win all three of the smaller states, but a 2% chance of winning one big one. That makes McCain 43 times more likely to win.

(Of course, buying 43 lottery tickets makes you 43 times more likely to win the jackpot, but I digress ...)

Add in the fact that the whole scraping-the-bottom-of-the-racism-barrel thing will probably play a lot better in PA than in CO, NM, and NH, and that it would allow him to focus efforts on a smaller geographic area, and it really starts to seem like a bright idea.


Now, that said, outcomes aren't independent, and this whole thing is a massive long shot to begin with. McCain must win his safe states plus OH, FL, NC, NV, MO, and IN to get to 252 EVs -- from there, either PA or CO+NM+NH can push him over the top. (This is assuming that he basically concedes all other Kerry states plus VA and IA.)


So, while I have to give them credit for finally coming up with an idea that doesn't sound like it was the result of picking random words out of the dictionary ("elitist!" "celebrity!" "terrorist!" "socialist!" "plumber!"), they still have ridiculously thin chances.

gab04 said...

I believe this fits very well with the probable McCain strategy. Unleash Rev. Wright, appeal to those Democrats with more racist views, and that makes up the difference between registered Dems and Republicans.

Let's not forget, that Obama's win in Pennsylvannia depends strongly on the majority of Dems voting for Obama. If McCain peel away enough of the more racist leaning voters, he can win.

I tend to think it could work... I still think racism will play a larger role amoung Dems than many of the pundits seem to think.

Andy JS said...

OK, so McCain is basing his new strategy on winning PA.

Here's some facts. The last two times the GOP won PA were in 1988 and 1984:

1988:
Bush: 2,300,087 (50.70%)
Dukakis: 2,194,944 (48.39%)

1984:
Reagan: 2,584,323 (53.34%)
Mondale: 2,228,131 (45.99%)

Notice something? Even in those two years of GOP landslides, the result in PA was pretty close. I don't see how McCain can win it in 2008. To base his whole strategy on the state is madness.

stevemarker said...

Not a concern troll (although living in IN always makes one nervous re: any dem's chances--to think we lost Birch Bayh, who as Nate put it, had more direct writing of the Constitution than anyone save the Founding Fathers--and instead got Dan Quayle (whose relatives still control the ONLY newspaper--right-wing rag, actually--in Indianapolis)--well, you catch the drift.

McCain's play-to-the-racists-and-count-on-cheating is ignoble, beneath him, probably won't work--but stands a chance.

We've seen the GOP cheating in FL, OH, CO & even WV for crying out loud! No reasonto presume theyt won't go all out cheating in NC & NV, which they can explain away by the (debunked) "Bradley effect." And WAY too many people I know personally are racist (& even the ones who don't thik they are, as they're o.k. w/Asians & Hispanics, have an anti-black bias). So it's not outside the ballpark to think an all-out racist blitz plus massive cheating can give McCain PA, IN, WV, NV, CO, (OH & FL are lost causes; cheating's just too well established there--we'd have to win by 10+ points). Yes, an inevitable loser turns to legacy at the end--but as long as Boris & Natasha have even a marginal chance, they'll hammer away. And until there are double-digit leads in all the above states or 90%+ early voting that goes our way, the chance is there. So donate, GOTV, everyone talk to at least 1 undecided or McCain person with every ounce of energy you have between now & 11/4. No time for complacency. Complacency allows it to get close enough to be stolen. Oh, two other things would convince me it was over--an Indy Star endorsement of Barack (won't happen, even if both PPP & Seltzer show him leading). Or McCain taking the 100% high road with effusive praise for Barack, oping to tamp down the odds that the riled up nutjobs he & Palin have fomented & supported won't go off. I don't think McCain & Palin wants to be guilty of inciting terrorist activities, although they don't seem to be bothered by incitement to violence based on already published reports. "Johnny, we hardly knew ye..."

Hans B said...

If the McCain campaign is going to make ads without RNC cofinancing, that is not necessarily because they want to. It seems more likely to me that Republican congressional candidates are sick and tired of seeing McCain suck up the party funds while showing zero loyalty (particularly when they see Obama do the precise opposite), and are prevailing on the RNC to give priority to their races above the presidential one. Of course the face-saving spin will be that McCain foregoes RNC support voluntarily.

livemild said...

mccain said again yesterday that he has him right where he wants him.

anyone at this late stage THAT delusional has not a hope of winning.

his only chance is PA.

talk of mccain taking CO and NM is just impossible. the heavy hispanic community makes it so. there are racists in both places but it is NOT from the hispanics they are really motivated.

i waited in a line blocks long for about an hour to see obama in a tiny town in NM and heard from many hispanics in line about how they voted for bush but not this time they were excited about obama

dont be fooled by co and nm are close to AZ so they might play for mccain- they are both different. f

actually doesnt seem like mccain is all that popular in AZ anyway.

Robbie said...

Great post, really interesting.

hermance said...

I think the most fascinating thing here is the split between the McCain camp and the RNC. As others have pointed out, it's hard to tell who is driving it--McCain's people or the Republican Congress people who are sick of being dragged down by McCain. Regardless, it shows a real meltdown in the Republican Party--about its identity, its message, its strategies, and its leaders. Rove was so successful because he demanded unity and discipline from the whole party. He may be giving "tactical" pointers to the McCain campaign, but they have completely missed his messages on strategy and discipline. Personally, I think he always intended to stake his whole reputation on the Bush presidency and then move away from the spotlight so that he could a be a speaker, lobbyist, analyst, etc. The bottom line is: Karl Rove is way smarter than anyone in the McCain campaign.

And this is why Wright won't work. They have no message discipline, so they haven't been laying the groundwork for this attack since June. I know McCain didn't want to go there, but the campaign should have told him, "If in the 11th hour, you even think you'll be willing to bring it up, then we need to set the table now, just in case."

But the truth about McCain really seems to be that he is delusional. He seems able to convince himself of certain ideas, particularly about himself, even when faced with a completely contradictory reality. He clearly seems to really believe that he is a maverick. He also seems to really believe that the press isn't treating him fairly. And, as we learned from Mark Salter's recent tirade, they really believe Obama has been more negative. Finally, I think McCain in June couldn't stomach thinking through a Wright strategy, but now he is all too willing to figure one out, after it is too late.

This is why I now think McCain would make as bad of a president as Bush--once he gets fixated on idea, he can't seem to let go (hello, earmarks!) and seems compelled to surround himself with people who affirm him rather than help him be pragmatic and analytic.

bm said...

McCain also brings clothes to Sarah Palin. Too bad her hockey-mom outfit wouldn't do

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html

jakam said...

Armies of Lawyers Are Ready to Roll

"...Obama, in particular, has assembled what is de facto the nation's largest law firm, with 5000 lawyers ready to sue at the drop of a ballot..."

http://www.electoral-vote.com/


Yep, this is the fundraising need that few thinks about, and probably why he won't share his funds with congressional races. There could be a costly post-election legal battle.

Toz said...

I did not read every comment here. Suffice it to say that the strategy is this (and I am a former Republican active in PA, so I know): hold down turnout in Philadelphia as best you can (via flase fliers about not being able to vote if you are in bankruptcy or foreclosed on, etc.), then go to Northwest and Northeast PA and deliver the "scary black man" speeches and advertisements. In a strange way, Murtha had it right. Pennsylvania has a history and current reputation of being one of the most racist states in the country; do not believe for a second that the Republicans will not try this scare tactic consistently for the next two weeks.

The Obama ground game in PA is more important than ever. Two very important focus areas: Philadelphia and every college and university. That is the recipe for success.

Joseph said...

I agree with the call to turn the "Road to 270" into a book! I'd buy one in a heartbeat!

At the very least, post-election, post it up in a contiguous format for people to read/download.

sjberke said...

One thing that apparently McCain has accomplished--he's gotten Ed Rendell spooked. CNN reported last night that Rendell has sent two memos to the Obama campaign asking him to return to the state a couple of times before the election:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/21/rendell-still-a-little-nervous-about-penn-asks-obama-to-return/

Don't know if the Obama people will grant his wish; will likely depend on the polling (which presumably they will interpret more strictly than McCain's people did)

hermance said...

Toz, you may be right that this could be an effective strategy in PA. But I still think that for it to work, they would have needed to set the table for it for months. They seem to be pouncing it on the last two weeks of the campaign, simply because PA has no early voting.

Once again: they're running tactics, not strategies. It's a mistake.

Victoria said...

The party registration numbers in PA are probably a little unusual because of the late closed primaries. The Republicans were decided by late April, when the primary was held, but the Democratic nomination hadn't been decided (although Hillary basically had to run the table). I changed my registration from third party to Democrat, and I'm sure plenty of other people changed their registration explicitly to vote in the primary.

Allegheny County (city of Pittsburgh) is very pro-Obama, especially the East End -- I see yard signs, bumper stickers, shirts, etc., everywhere I go -- but I think that would surprise absolutely no one :).

nsh3 said...

I haven't heard Nate talk about the effect of the effort of PA's republicans to register as democrats for the primary to vote for Clinton. It seems likely that the vast majority of those "democrats" are still "democrats". I wonder how much of the democratic registration advantage is eaten up by this.

Heather Nordquist said...

Saw Nate on KO. You are a total rock star, Nate! When do you sleep?
I agree with livemild, NM is not in play. According to the CO early vote numbers, about 1/3 of the state already has their mailin ballots. Hispanics are coming out big for Obama. Looked at a NM poll and the internals had Hispanics at about a 70/30 advantage. Here in NM, they are 44% of the population.
They've been doing it the entire campaign.

Step 1: Announce stupid idea.
Step 2: Do stupid idea.
Step 3: ?
Step 4: Watch numbers go down.


I think Step 3 is more like "Exclaim WTF!" then watch numbers go down.


I actually think Step 3 is "Blame the gotcha elite media"

Heather Nordquist said...

Just found some early voting #s out of NM

New Mexico: More than 230,000 people have voted early or absentee, and Democrats have a 62%-to-38% advantage over Republicans. That's about the same as the Democratic registration edge in a state that Bush won by 6,000 votes in 2004.

Only 775,000 total votes in NM in 2004.

Story includes other states:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-21-early-voting_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

counsellorben said...

I'm late to this party, but I will repeat (and update) points I made in the past.

In 2004, Kerry won Philadelphia and the four suburban counties by 400,000 votes, and used this cushion to carry the state by a modest margin.

In 2004, the four suburban counties had an R +240,000 voter registration edge.  As of today, the registration edge is R +394 (that is NOT a typo, the data is posted here).

Registration in the four suburban counties has shifted by D +240,000 in the last four years.  This area has been trending bluer (communist SE PA, anyone?), and was the engine behind Kerry's victory in PA.

All signs point to an Obama victory in PA.

I, for one, will still be making phone calls, knocking doors, and doing whatever else needs doing for the Obama campaign, ending with my participation in Counsel for Change (the voter protection program) on Election Day.

Get out and vote, and let's show the country that this is another failed tactic from the McCain campaign.  I have yet to see a strategy from McCain's team.

jonathan said...

Even if McCain won PA, FL, NC, MO and OH
if Obama wins NV, CO he nets 270 and wins

Ed said...

Doesn't Rush Limbaugh have a large audience in Penn?

I am guessing they will have Rush go on a super dirty week long tirade. It will be so nasty the national media will have to cover it and repeat it ad nauseum. If it sticks and works they can use the money saved on other states and pull out a win.

counsellorben said...

nsh3 said "I haven't heard Nate talk about the effect of the effort of PA's republicans to register as democrats for the primary to vote for Clinton. It seems likely that the vast majority of those 'democrats' are still 'democrats'. I wonder how much of the democratic registration advantage is eaten up by this."

I'm sorry, but Rush's Operation Chaos is an urban legend.  The final PA registration statistics for the primary (here) show D registration at ~4,200,000 and R registration at ~3,186,000.  The figures from November 2007 (here) show D registration of ~3,883,000 and R registration of ~3,245,000.

Putting the best Republican spin on this, you could claim that 59,000 Republicans switched their registration to Democratic, in order to participate in Operation Chaos.

Yet, in the same time period, Democratic registration increased by 317,000, roughly five and one-half times the largest possible Operation Chaos effect.

There is no evidence to support a belief that Republican "false flag" registrations will have any significant impact on Pennsylvania voting.

blue november said...

I think that the "focus" on PA is mostly spin. My guess is that RNC is cutting-back on funds to the presidential race to commit more funds to save embattled senate and house seats. So the MacCampaign has only enough "chips" to place one big bet.

Jove said...

"Overall, Duhaime said McCain has drawn strong support from what he called a Democrats for McCain movement in and around Scranton, in the state’s western Rust Belt region. “That gives us optimism,” he said."

I know this is a criticism of the LA Times writer, not you, but somebody needs to look at a map. Scranton is not in the western region of anything, it's in the northeast corner of our state.

I have a hard time believing McCain would really hang his hopes on support around Scranton.
I live in PA's 10th District (Chris Carney-D's district) which includes Scranton but also my central, rural part of the state. It was the big margins that Carney was able to run up in Scranton that put him over the top in 2006.

In my part of PA, people are older and whiter (and yes, there's some racism) but locally we've gone from a 3:1 registered Republican:Democrat ratio in 2004 to more like a 1.4:1 ratio now. Obama's had a field office here all summer long whereas McCain just opened a "victory center" down the street last week. We have phonebanking and canvassing every night, whereas all I've gotten from McCain are robocalls (and RNC mailers).

Our biggest fear, honestly, is that if the polls look too good for PA, complacency will set in and we'll get fewer volunteers or (worst case) people sitting out on 11/4 because they figure it's in the bag for Obama. So honestly, the best case scenario for us would be that Obama would be the public perception of a "close race" here (while in reality Obama was still comfortably ahead). If McCain turns his attention here (and isn't too effective), I'd say the extra attention might really help us.

Victoria said...

CounsellorBen:

"I'm sorry, but Rush's Operation Chaos is an urban legend. The final PA registration statistics for the primary (here) show D registration at ~4,200,000 and R registration at ~3,186,000. The figures from November 2007 (here) show D registration of ~3,883,000 and R registration of ~3,245,000."

Those same statistics show a decrease in third-party and unaffiliated voters between November and April: from 984,349 in November down to 941,957 in April, even as the total number of people registered rose by about 200,000.

I had never heard of Operation Chaos when I voted in Pennsylvania -- I simply wanted to vote. (I had moved from an open primary state and didn't know that Pennsylvania was closed when I moved here.) At the same time, though, I can't see that many people who would bother to switch from independent or third-party to vote in the Democratic primary in good faith will vote Republican (though some may vote Green or Libertarian); a good portion of those gains probably are real.

D. Melanogaster said...

I'm pretty shocked that nowhere in these analyses are the horrific projections of hundreds of thousands of new Democratic votes being PREVENTED or THROWN OUT.

Ohio has already gone to the Supreme Court about this, and there are three other swing states that are in dire jeopardy of voter registration fraud.

Not to mention the machines that "malfunction" in poor neighborhoods, the long delays at the voting places, the people who are going to be told they have to use provisional ballots that are going to be TOSSED, etc.

Why is no one here mentioning this AT ALL?

THIS is how McCain is going to win.

Please comment, Nate and others!!

sarasotajoe said...

Hail Mary Pass #1: Choose inexperienced wing-nut for VP nominee.

Hail Mary Pass #2: Suspend campaign.

Hail Mary Pass #3: Cut ad budget in single digit NM and CO and put money in double digit PA.

Each Hail Mary pass is coming from deeper in the end zone and closer to the clock running out, and so each one is more desperate than the last.

Good luck with that 100 yard pass...

grepper said...

Nate, can you add a Obama wins the election if McCain wins PA to the Scenarios?

cincyr said...

Perhaps this explains why Palin's stump speech has dropped Ayers and ACORN and is now focusing on shattering that highest glass ceiling?

Kennyb said...

I keep reading Al Giordano's work to see when the "Cardoza 40" will show up to back Obama over Clinton.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/23/144331/245/396/521343

David said...

"A team can get itself into tons of trouble by convincing itself it has 87-win talent -- making it a fringe playoff contender -- when it fact it has 80-win talent -- making it an also-ran."


As a long time Mariner's fan (and reader of Dave Cameron), I have first-hand knowledge of this. Though calling the '08 M's a true 80 win club is still a bit generous...

zebra450 said...

I think The McCain camp is going to use Wright, not to up his polls before the election but to create doubt when people get to the 'switch' on voting day.

They are down to long shots now!

Bob in Berkeley said...

If hope is not a strategy, then panic isn't either. In the Clinton primary campaign it was widely known that internal bickering led to a less than cohesive message and to a flawed overall strategy. As McCain's campaign runs out of messages that have legs with voters, desperation and even panic is likely to set-in. Probably already has. How would you feel if your majors thrusts all produce negative results? If you re playing blackjack, you might start to double-up, at least until you lose all your chips.

Will said...

From Mark Salter, John McCain's closest adviser:
“When we look at our numbers, we think we’re competitive [in Pennsylvania]. We would like to get as many Clinton supporters as we can.”

The McCain campaign consistently illustrates why the lack of a direct, framing narrative for a Presidential candidate is so fatal; John McCain is getting buried alive over the twin practices of grasping at Hillary's leftovers and cynically pandering to a GOP base that does not embrace his strong suits (leading thusly to the Palin disaster). The Hillary-vote boat has sailed over a month ago, and the Palin boat is burning a few miles offshore. Lord, what terrible management; can someone name me a comprehensive plan that John McCain has offered that differs significantly from George W. Bush? The rookie Democrat is winning handily now because he's (surprise, surprise) focusing on confidence and content over empty character. The lack of a solid plan makes it impossible to take John McCain or Sarah Palin seriously anymore.

lexigeek said...

DCM in FL said:

OBAMA IS TIED WITH MAC FOR NASCAR FANS !!!


====

As a NASCAR fan and a lifelong Democrat, (yeah, what of it?) first let me say this. WOOOOOO! :)

Also, while Obama's strong numbers undoubtedly have a lot to do with this, I think it may also have something to do with NASCAR's changing demographics. It used to be that NASCAR was of, by and for the South. Today, more of the top-tier NASCAR drivers hail from California than any other state.

Craig Hickman said...

Governor Rendell is claiming he's nervous that McCain will win PA. The polls don't suggest it. So why is he so nervous. He does control the state's machine, doesn't he? Couldn't he "ensure" he Democratic nominee take the state with a few phone calls?

I've never trusted that man and I don't believe he has Barack's best interests at heart in PA.

The PA machine doesn't appear to be on Barack's side, so even though he's polling so well, McCain knows that without early voting, a steal will be more easy to carry out by targeting Philly with suppression, intimidation, a contested election on election day, etc.

The GOP has filed a lawsuit against ACORN in PA in order to challenge 140,000 registrations in the Philly area.

It's so transparent.

Obama probably can't win PA without overwhelming turnout in Philly and since Michael Nutter, who isn't exactly a fan of Barack's, is in charge there...

I know the Democrats seemed unified in PA, but the potential for behind-the-scenes shenanigans trouble me.

If Barack ignores Rendell's requests to return to PA anytime soon, then he probably knows that he better spend time closing the deal in other states. Barack can win the electoral college without PA.

I hope I'm dead wrong about the PA steal. But I don't put anything past the criminals.

Jeremy said...

Good article.

I live in Bucks County, PA. One of the counties surrounding Philadelphia.

I find it hard to believe that McCain can flip the state, but I wouldn't be surprised if he made it close. My county in particular has a long history of being moderately Republican. Patrick Murphy is our first Dem. representative in years. Because of the Primary season, and stupid Bush, Dems finally have move registered voters in Bucks than Republican's.

Bucks went with Kerry in 04 and Gore in 00. We'll see. I think Obama needs to do as well as Kerry did in Philadelphia, or better. Hold the surrounding counties like Kerry and Gore did. Biden should help in Scranton. Although, my girlfriends father, a union VP, told me that many men in the union are voting McCain because Obama is black. Should be interesting. I won't be surprised if the race tightens.

Terri said...

Nutter has been popping up at some campaign events recently. Philly is safe. They'll show up for Obama. Obama will not abandon PA.

Fred said...

NE PA (where I am) is right down the middle Rep/Dem, and solid blue collar Hillary supporters. McCain is hoping to get some of these to switch (giving him a +2 for those voters), and will parade Palin around to try to make it happen.

If McCain is down 600,000 votes, this doesn't mean he has to convince 600,000 to vote for him--he just has to convince 300,001 to switch.

The problem for Obama is complacency. I'm on the ground here for Obama, and we're seeing a ton of volunteers just disappear. When Obama gets up more than 10%, the volunteering evaporates. We're having a tough time filling GOTV slots because of it.

Rendell (whose only "machine" is around Philly) has been calling for much more direct involvement by Obama, hopefully in Harrisburg and Monroe County where an appearance would have more direct effect. Obama never came to Monroe Country (which went to Bush by 4 votes in 2004) even during the primary, and he got his butt handed to him by Clinton.

animalhiphop said...

A little off-topic, but the phrase Jeremiah Wright All-Stars is hilarious. I imagine a pastor-reverend dream team of Wright, Farrakhan, Jackson and Sharpton going insane. I want someone to make a poster of that or something.

Eric said...

Ed Rendell can be a pretty funny guy sometimes, but he can also be a huge jackass.

Hey Ed, don't worry about Obama losing PA. What you SHOULD worry about is having your Phillies getting their asses handed to them by the Rays!

MN said...

Yes, Hope is Not A Plan was said by a famous Democrat....


...and she turned out to be wrong. Dead wrong. Hope has served us pretty damn well so far.

So your analogy stinks.

paranoid_you_bet said...

Having spent the first 24 years of my life in Western and Central Pennsylvania I can attest to what John Murtha said earlier this week... Pennsylvania is an extraordinarily racist state over all; suprising as that may be given the overall education level (though in fairness that is concentrated in the two major cities, Philadelphia and to a lesser extent Pittsburgh), but not surprising given the basic reality that even poverty does not seem to remove from people the desire to push blame onto others - and from that racism is an easy jump.

I have feared and been saying from the start of this election that it would come down to Pennsylvania and that Pennsylvania was going to go to McCain. Friends and colleagues have tried to comfort and dissuade me, and every time I have allowed myself the smallest amount of hope I see another blowback.

The latest of course was the Citizen Powell endorsement... I could all but hear the rise in pressure again.

And forget your poll numbers and your party affiliations - racists seldom admit to being racists to anyone except other racists - and racism transcends party affiliation, and apparently common sense as a majority of Pennsylvanians would benefit more from the described agendas of Obama much more so than those of McCain.

But trust me, as one who lived there half his life, if Obama isn't a wide receiver or a running back he is going to have a hard time carrying Pennsylvania.

Dan Twyman said...

McCain is tied to people like this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx_KvCLUTr8

zoe kentucky said...

As a fellow Pennsylvanian (pittsburgher) I have to echo what paranoid wrote above.

However, I also think that times are tough and scary enough that racism just *might* take a backseat this election. Not to mention that PA, like many other states, is only "blue" because of Philly and Pittsburgh. Right now across PA we have over a million registered voter advantage over the GOP. I have seen a level of activism in Pittsburgh that is positively unprecedented.

So while I agree it might end up being closer than everyone thinks in PA, I still think we'll win here in spite of some people's racist tendancies. I think it has much to do with older voters in rural areas, many of whom who see this as a vote for a black man and a vote for the unqualified woman. A recent poll does have McCain losing a lot of ground among rural voters-- if this bears itself out in PA then McCain is toast.

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