10.10.2008

An Invitation To Michael Barone

Michael Barone, Fox News pundit and author of the Almanac of American Politics, wrote a piece yesterday titled "The Race Isn't Necessarily Over For Barack Obama and John McCain." I was fascinated to read his central hypothesis -- that Obama's ground game = Howard Dean's Iowa caucus ground game. Seriously, that's what he's pinning his hopes on.

After citing with approval the same Karl Rove contention about undecided voters that Nate dismantled yesterday, Barone embraces hope:

A disciplined approach, certainly. But how effective are all those volunteers? Are they as effective as those stocking-capped Perfect Stormers of the Howard Dean campaign in Iowa in January 2004? You saw those orange stocking caps swarming all over Des Moines, but they didn't end up producing many caucus votes.
I read Barone's piece yesterday and had an epiphany. I recalled our conversation with Nevada's Republican State Party Executive Director, who in so many words argued that this is what they expected from Nevada Democratic turnout. A bunch of kids organizing other kids who ultimately wouldn't turn out in a non-caucus election. They really do think it's Dean's Iowa 2004 ground campaign.

Despite tens of thousands of "Neighborhood Team Leaders," and an entire organizing outreach tool actually named "Neighbor to Neighbor," Barone apparently fervently hopes Obama has no peer-to-peer efforts:
The most successful recent turnout drive was that of the Bush-Cheney '04 campaign, which relied on peer-to-peer volunteers, local people who made connections with neighbors with whom they had something in common (fellow members of a particular church, fellow accountants, nearby neighbors). The Obama campaign, in contrast, seems to be depending on youthful volunteers who seem unlikely to have such connections.
Wow. They. Are. So. F#$%ed.

They look at the Ohio numbers from the first part of early voting -- and assumed that Obama's campaign would have focused on voting between September 30 and October 6, when October 6 was the registration deadline. Early "absentee" voting continues every day from now to the election in Ohio. It's only after October 6 -- when no new registrants may be added, that the focus switches to early voting. That seems kind of logically obvious -- effort spent herding people to the polls that week (with a full month to push early voting afterward) would have been effort not spent on registration while there was still time left to get every last possible new voter. But to Barone, trumpeting Sean Oxendine, this is evidence it's just kids in stocking caps. Holy out of touch, Batman!

For Barone, it's the kids and the blacks who are "susceptible" to -- gasp -- organizing:
... there are surely more voters today who are persuadable. And there are surely a lot of marginally involved young and black Obama supporters susceptible to organization efforts—people who would not vote if not contacted but who will if urged and helped to do so.
Yes, Mike, it's not the evangelical churchgoers in 2004 who were vulnerable to just standing around one day and then suddenly, before they knew it, found themselves organized. (Note: If you are a parent of a kid or a black, you may want to sit down with them and have a heart-to-heart before it is too late.)

Barone continues:
We simply don't know. There will be other metrics in the weeks ahead on which to base judgments. But I think we'll have to wait until the actual election results start coming in to make a judgment on the effectiveness of these tactics. Which was the case in 2004. Journalists then provided good accounts of the easy-to-cover Democratic organizational efforts in black neighborhoods and university towns. They provided very little on the harder-to-cover Bush-Cheney '04 organizational story. My working hypothesis is that peer-to-peer is a lot more productive than young, stocking-capped volunteers.
Barone is right in two respects. One, peer-to-peer is a lot more productive than young, stocking-capped volunteers. And two, he "simply doesn't know."

So, an invitation to Barone. Mike, come out on the road with us. You'll have to ride in a relatively cramped backseat, but we'll make room. We go into all these offices. Not as in, "we simply don't know." As in, you can walk inside and see for yourself whether it's just kids driving this effort, or whether there's a single stocking cap. Peer-to-peer on a mass scale is what we've directly seen with our own eyes and what we've been chronicling for a month.

By the way, it wasn't kids who just tied up Washoe County, Nevada. It was an organization the likes of which we haven't seen in American politics, ever.

Put that in your Almanac.

315 comments

Lance J said...

FIRST!

tk said...

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Eric Garcia said...

Nate's getting angry. I adore it when Nate gets angry.

There's going to be some major cognitive dissonance going on in the Republican world when this is all over. Their worldview and reality are not going to match up for the first time in a long time.

Welcome to what used to be called Democratland. Enjoy your stay.

NY Expat said...

Something in your formatting is preventing anything from loading beyond your second post. Pls fix, thx.

[ tyler curtain ] said...

OMG this is brilliant. They really are deer-in-the-headlights. And those lights are attached to an electoral Mac Truck. They're gonna be election-day road-kill and wondering, huh? Whahhhh??

Kyle10022 said...

LMAO

Speaking of Fox; Obama is up 7 points in the new Fox News poll and only 32% of the ones polled said they cared about Bill Ayers

Genevieve said...

From Fox News/Opinion Dynamics, among registered voters:
Obama 46, McCain 39

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,436023,00.html

thene said...

I love it when commenters call Sean 'Nate'. That must do wonders for his mood, too!

Thanks for giving me a little more faith in the future, Sean.

Rich Merritt said...

DENIAL! What a great coping mechanism, or, in their case, the first stage of grief. Judging from the campaign events, they're also on to anger. Let's hope they get to bargaining son.
Is George Bush really the worst. president. ever?

jakam said...

Michael Barone was the Baghdad Bob of Hillary Clinton's campaign, making ludricrous assertions about what was going to happen long after it was over.

Cole Moore Odell said...

"Nate's getting angry."

Yes, so angry he's signing his posts "Sean".

charliereece said...

As for what the right will do when Obama wins, it's obvious -- blame ACORN for a stolen election and refuse to accept the legitimacy of a President Obama.

Duh.

fred said...

Great piece.

They.are.so.fucked!

Roger said...

I just want to say that I was in Washoe during the caucus here in Nevada. I was turning out votes for Barack for the union I work for and the night before the voting I was surprised to see roving bands of Obama supporters carrying signs encouraging people to vote the next morning. First time I had seen anything like that, didn't see any other candidates, D or R, doing the same thing.

LAT said...

you go Sean! Tell it like it is. This was such a good post I could kiss you!

Allison said...

One of the best posts yet! Love it!

I would only add "...and suck it" at the very end.

fred said...

Sean Quinn is NOT Nate Silver - lets pay attention people! We have two daily posters on this blog!

jakam said...

Speaking of Fox; Obama is up 7 points in the new Fox News poll and only 32% of the ones polled said they cared about Bill Ayers

That's more or less the 32% that identify as (R), the 32% that are taking their orders to care about Ayers from the party, and the 32% for whom there was never any doubt as to who they'd vote for.

In other words, there's nothing to see here, and nothing for Obama to worry about.

assmole said...

Inviting Barone is not wise - it must have been part of his strategy-cum-tactic when writing his article to end up in a 538 sandwich.

The Falconer said...

Michael Barone used to be a conservative who produced interesting analysis. Lately it seems he's analyst who just produces things that are conservative ruminations.

Sad to see a good critical mind devolve into cheer leading section. He pretty much only blogs about topics that are hostile to Obama and he only comments on the horse race numbers when McCain was gaining ground.

Cherry picking is not a substitute for analysis.

M Hussein H said...

I was actually in Washoe County this past weekend and was very encouraged to run across two separate Obama canvassing teams over the weekend. And now, looking back on it, I guess I should be surprised that they were not, in fact, college kids, but actual "grownups!" One of the pairs was two white ladies in their late fifties/early sixties. So yeah these guys have no clue what they are up against.

CRLIndoland said...

Amazing post...perfect reading before bed time!

Real Joe said...



Barack 'Osama' On Upstate Absentee Ballots


Start up those conspiracy-theory engines.

The TU reports approximately 300 voters in Rensselaer County received absentee ballots on which Barack Obama's name appears Barack "Osama."

Both the Democratic and Republican elections officials are insisting this was merely a "typo" and a "mistake."

Among the communities that received the flawed ballots was Brunswick, which happens to be the home of former Senate Majority Leader Joe Bruno.

Enrollment in the county is fairly evenly split, with 29,892 Democrats, 29,363 Republicans and 33,663 blanks.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2008/10/barack-osama-on-upstate-absent.html


assmole said...

fred: eric garcia thought Nate was so angry he couldn't spell his own name

Frank said...

I think he is just trying to find some reason/story for Republicans to go to the polls. If it appears that the fat lady already broke the glass and took a bow on the presidential contest, the lower down nominees are going to be hurt by lack of participation. The spin will be to keep it close enough to try to avoid losing more senate/house seats.

Mule Rider said...

Just curious. When a statement like "They. Are. So. F****d." is used by Sean and some of you, who exactly are you pinpointing as "They"?

Are you singling out the 15-25 million Republicans and super neo-cons who are unbending in any way and bent on sticking with their political party come hell or high water?

Or are you referring to anyone other than the 55-60 million Americans (and children <18) who won't be voting for Barack Obama?

Because if it's the former, I can forgive you for wanting to drive the "electoral mac truck" over a bunch of delusional right-wing partisans.

But if it's the latter, and you have something to prove and want to unleash anger on everyone else, you come across as nothing but angry hyperpartisans - no better, or actually worse, than none other than George W. Bush - who just want to win for the sake of winning and to cram it down everyone's throat.

That's no way to lead. That's now way to govern.

Zenu said...

Hello Sean :)

I agree with what you've said. While some republicans I know do realize their party is in the crapper, the more ardent ones think just like Barone.

It's really just denial accompanied by an explanation they feel explains why their candidate is behind in polls, or has little ground game compared to Obama. I don't think the media helps either when they try to hold off as much as they do on calling toss-up states as leaning towards Obama.

Quico said...

Charlie Reece,

As for what the right will do when Obama wins, it's obvious -- blame ACORN for a stolen election and refuse to accept the legitimacy of a President Obama.

There's a deep, dark, brooding truth to your statement that we're barely cognizant of today. Americans tend to take the stability of their governing institutions for granted, but that's only because they've never had a significant, mobilized minority that's convinced those in power are their enemies. (Well, not since 1860, anyway.)

It sounds nuts to say it now, but you'll see. It's the stability of the American republic that's at stake.

Timothy McVeigh will seem like an altar boy by 2012.

Josh said...

You know what would be funny? If someone pointed out that Sean, not Nate, posted this.

Hilarity would ensue.

Ben said...

I live in Iowa and have been heavily involved in Democratic politics here for a few years. Mr. Barrone has completely missed the boat with his analysis. In the Caucus season, the conventional wisdom was that Obama's ground game was analogous to Dean's "Perfect Storm" and that Obama would fizzle out and finish a distant third. Everyone knew that Obama's GOTC model was different than both HRC's and JRE's--he was focusing on more than merely traditional caucusgoers. JRE having competed in Iowa in 2004 and HRC, relying on some very experienced and bright Iowa politicos, both focused on past caucusgoers and primary-voting Democrats. Well, Obama proved everyone wrong on Caucus Night, a fact that shattered the misconception about his ground game.

Having witnessed it in action now, during the General, I have to say that is quite amazing. In Iowa, they have built on the foundation laid during the Caucus Season superbly. Comparing this general election machine to Dean's Caucus failure is like comparing apples to fire trucks. This piece is an exercise in ignorance.

Scott said...

Hey guys, Nate's pretty good about this, but Sean, please - the partisanship, it oozes and spills, c'mon.

I mean "They. Are. So. Fucked."? Please! That's not analysis, that's not anything but getting all worked up at one republican's partisanship clashing with your partisanship.

This reminds me of the reports (I think from Huffington post) that Sarah Palin's prep for the VP debate was going "horribly" and that mary "insiders" were "extremely concerned". This isn't useful and really sounds like one little thing was amplified by some liberals. Of course there are going to be some internals that go "horribly" in any campaign, and Palin ended up doing OK enough.

Just my two cents.

-A fellow Obama supporter

Dave said...

Great post/analysis, Sean, but I do have a complaint to register with the article. I preface this with : I'm a Dem, I love the site, daily reader, etc...

Sean, can we PLEASE refrain from the f-bombs? I have a 12 and 15 yr old kids who are VERY interested in the election, and I have shown them this site before...I'd like to keep it family-friendly. Yes, they've seen the word before, no they are not traumatized..but I think it is frankly beneath the level of the site to do that when 'screwed' would have worked just as well. Thanks!

jnorthrop said...

@mule

I think Sean was referring to those delusional analysts who keep predicting a McCain victory because of things like the Bradley effect or youth that won't vote.

Colin said...

Here is Cleveland the Obama campaign office that my family I visited last night was certainly buzzing. We were given a packet of folks in our neighborhood to canvass. I was very impressed with the ground operation I saw and I think that they're going to turn out a lot of people.

Congratulations to President-Elect McCain!!! said...

Republican wingnuts grasping at straws is GREAT NEWS!!! For John McCain!!!

Quico said...

Dave,

That's the most coherent plea against blog-swearing I've heard in a long time.

GG said...

Why is McCain coming back to Iowa? Trying to figure out McCain's mind at this point is an epistemological nightmare. But this much is clear. He's returning to a state overwhelmingly Obama's and increasingly distainful of McCain sending out his wife and Palin to throw his punches for him. I once thought McCain an honorable person. No more. He has now chosen a calamitous ending for an uneven career, and shame for a life that was once that of a hero.

Scott Harris said...

Barone is a conservative pundit who is often called upon to give a GOP-favorable outlook to any election. During the 2006 campaign, he repeatedly made the claim that Democrats would "definitely" come up short of the seats they needed to take the House.

In other words, he's not an analyst. He's a pundit.

Mule Rider said...

jnorthrop,

Fair enough. That's who I was assuming. But I'd caution against implementing such vile speech in the context of thoughtful and intelligent analysis.

There's no sense in getting cocky and starting your victory dance before you hit the end zone. It either:

A) Sets you up for a major embarrassment if you're wrong and total discreditation (in the analogy, fumbling and losing the ball).

or

B) Planting the seeds of anger and resentment into those you are supposed to lead which will only make everyone that much more bitter (in the analogy, the other team will try to break your qb's leg on the next possession or do their damnedest to kick your ass beyond repair the next time the teams play and they are competitive).

Just my thoughts.

Cugel said...

Assuming that 3/4 of the hard-core "undecideds" are really racist assholes who will never vote for Obama, but who realize the economy is totally screwed, they might lose their jobs and McCain is wandering aimlessly around (both the debate stage and in his campaign) like a confused old man at the senior center.

He looked like he needed someone to come out on the stage, and gently lead him back into the line for jello.

Assuming they break 3 to 1 for McCain it still won't matter. That would equal at most a 3% advantage for McCain, and right now Obama's leading by at least 6%.

What the pundits refuse to report on is the simple fact that the economic crisis totally destroyed McCain's entire campaign strategy.

Can you imagine if there was no bailout or stock market meltdown or massive 3rd quarter job loss stats coming out at the same time?

The media would be totally focused on Ayers and asking "is this going to hurt Obama? Let's roll the tape of Ayers from 1968 one more time and focus on his beard!"

America's media are useless corporate whores and they have been in the tank for McCain all year.

But, suddenly nobody gives a DAMN about Ayers. It just sounds freakish for McCain to be blabbering about him during the middle of a crisis, rather like some deranged person blathering on about tax policy during the middle of the London Blitz in 1940. It's just so completely detached from anything Americans are worried about right now.

Apparently, McCain has no better strategy left, so it's "Ayers or bust!"

No matter how hard the media tries to ignore it, sometime after the last debate it's going to be painfully apparent that this is no longer a race. Its over and done with.

The rest of the way is rather like a victory lap in the Olympics. That doesn't mean Obama can afford to stop running and wave any more than the Marathon winner can stop to sign autographs before crossing the finish. But, with 1/4 mile to go Obama is miles ahead of the field and running alone entering Olympic stadium, waving to the crowds. McCain isn't even in sight.

BlueDjinn said...

On top of everything else you noted in your analysis, this guy is completely forgetting that the Iowa '04 situation was a true CAUCUS, which is a COMPLETELY different situation from a general ELECTION.

In an Iowa CAUCUS, you have people milling around from room to room, gathering together in groups, talking in-depth about the issues, influencing and persuading each other, taking public head counts, yadda yadda, for several hours.

In a general ELECTION, you have people standing in line, filling out a form, entering data into a machine in private, and then going home, hopefully within a half-hour or less, keeping (one would hope) their opinions and decisions private.

Utterly, utterly different scenarios.

seer said...

Mule Rider:

"That's no way to lead. That's now way to govern"

Go suck a lemon, Mr. Anger Management 101.

Good to see you're still a douche.

Cole Moore Odell said...

Barone's argument is a mirror of the rationalizations Dems made for Kerry's apparent lagging in the polls in the weeks leading up to the '04 election. Surely *something* unaccounted for would ride in and set things right.

It's bracing to see the same magical thinking and finger crossing (that made me sick even as I engaged in it) coming from the other side this time.

Ed said...

Who said Beetlejuice 3 times?

Mule Rider is back! After promising not to post anymore...

Zenu said...

Connecticut legalized same-sex marriage!! Happy days, my friends. Alabama--you're next!

Tom said...

I have been posting here for a few days, but am posting under a different ID for reasons which will be apparent as you read this.

My father served in the US House or Representatives

fred said...

Mulie yelling at people for being too harsh. Mulie, you have been good lately but so good that it makes that post look extremely hypocritcal. Of course, Palin was worse today - she was yelling about Obama's ambition as a negative. LOOK IN THE MIRROR SISTER SARAH!

Tom said...

oops...continued from above

My father served in the US House of Representatives as a Republican. He is no fan of Obama but he doesn't really like Mccain either.

I was just speaking with him this morning and he told me that he thinks Obama's organization could become a massive political force that keeps the Dems in majority for 40 years or more.

I don't really see it that way but he was very adamant about this.

He thinks the GOP will have a tough time recovering from this cycle and that the Obama campaign organization will still be around in 2016 when somebody else is on the ticket.

Real Joe said...



Hilary in WV

http://wvgazette.com/News/200810090745

Ohioan Larry Hicks, originally from Mingo County, brought his Barack Obama van (formerly his Hillary Clinton van) to Charleston to make his sentiments known in the upcoming election. Hicks' van, which he bought for $250 and painted red, white and blue, is covered with about 7,000 signatures, gathered on his campaign trips around the country.

http://wvgazette.com/News/200810090747?returnURL=http://wvgazette.com/News/200810090745&build=cache

bryen193 said...

LOL @ Fox News. Their 24-hour a day anti-Obama propaganda effort can't get McCain past 39% in THEIR OWN POLL.

fred said...

Tom-

That is great news. Lets hope the organization wins first.

Snax said...

Sean/Nate you should write a book - a coffee table/travelogue/campaign history - about this journey across the USA in a pivotal few weeks of history.

Nicholas said...

Two new polls...one an "Oh Shit!" poll:

From Insider Advantage:

Ohio: Obama +5 (ho-hum)
Georgia: McCain...+3

Antmatic said...

New State #s

Rasmussen (leaked to premium members)

Oregon
O-54, M-43
Vermont
O-65, M-32

Not surprising. O and V are safe.

Insider Advantage
Ohio
O-49, M-44
Georgia
M-49, O-46

LOL. In a landslide scenario, Georgia will be the first "shock" state we'll see. It's funny how McCain is much further behind in states like PA and WI than Obama is behind in GA.

Good to see Ohio finally getting religion on who to vote for in this election. I was worried for a while.

Real Joe said...

bryen193 said...
LOL @ Fox News. Their 24-hour a day anti-Obama propaganda effort can't get McCain past 39% in THEIR OWN POLL.


:-(

i'm still packing

the ship is sinking

jdreier said...

Cool, Nate Silver gives us the Baseball Prospectus of campaign analysis blogging, and now Sean is giving us the FireJoeMorgan of campaign analysis blogging!

Eric said...

http://www.physorg.com/news142862643.html -- Polls may underestimate Obama's support by 3 to 4 percent, researchers say

Nice to see a scientific study indicating a "reverse Bradley effect" in states where it matters most...

Chi said...

I thought I read around here that Fox was coming out some state polls at 3pm and 6pm? Are these supposed to be EDT?

STepper said...

Early in my practice of law (early 1970s) I had a very bright, very energetic partner who liked to tell the other side's lawyer his case was screwed up, but that [so and so] was his best argument. (When it was.)

I quickly disabused him of that practice. It was obviously a pure ego thing for him. And not good for our clients.

So, Sean, why are you so intent on proving yourself right at this time? Can't you wait till November 5th? The Repubs aren't going to quit. Let them labor under their fantasies.

Sheesh. I am really disappointed in you.

Matthew H said...

Can we get some more polling in West Virginia and Arkansas? Please?

Anyhow, there must be SOME margin of victory where the Republicans will look in the mirror and stop blaming Acorn or the Chicago Machine for the results. 50%? 55%? 60%? However high it is, we should go for it.

Cripes, a 1/2 hour block on CBS is only half a mil. Makes it tempting to get some friends together and spend some dough on a 5 minute block just asking questions!

eve said...

We will see lots of bad reasoning as the repubs try to convince their supporters that they should vote because McCain can still win.

And monkeys really can fly.

They know those down ticket races are going to be hit hard by their inability to overcome right-winger depression that will keep lots of voters home from he polls. They gonna need to hand out massive doses of prozac to GOTV.

Mike W said...

I early voted in Indianapolis, an Obama stronghold. Nice, long line. Ahead of me in line was a young woman, perhaps 18 years old, with the name of her high school on her shirt. It's a wonderful thing.

Antmatic said...

Sarah Palin will campaign in West Virginia this weekend

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/10/palin-schedules-bus-tour-of-west-virginia/

David said...

I agree with a few other posters here that Sean's rhetoric is getting away from him a bit.

Barone is completely and utterly wrong in his piece, but it's not because he doesn't know any better -- he does. But the pundits and the party leaders need to continue to cheer for their team until the election, to limit the bleeding. If they told the truth, that they were going down, then Republican voters might stay home in larger numbers, and the defeat would be even worse.

So it's not cluelessness or willful ignorance, it's the more pedestrian cynicism and intellectual dishonesty.

eve said...

"Anyhow, there must be SOME margin of victory where the Republicans will look in the mirror and stop blaming Acorn or the Chicago Machine for the results. 50%? 55%? 60%? However high it is, we should go for it."

After blaming him for everything else, I'm sure they will blame Clinton.

Real Joe said...

WV...LOL

NC_voter said...

haha mule rider is now lecturing people on using angry and profane language?

Our pal mulie must be hormonal

Samantha said...

I was at Yom Kippur services yesterday at a temple in Wellesley, Mass. So obviously you don't get much bluer as states go and it's hardly a shock that I heard people talking about being Obama supporters. It's not the kind of place that's heavy on the republicans and those that you find are loathe to admit it publicly. But that's not the point, the point is I heard some people talking about recently returning from Virginia, where they had been registering voters for Obama. And these volunteers were, demographically, a really long way from Barone's mythical stocking capped youth (not to mention how incredibly not black they were). These were upper middle class, middle aged Jewish people. Doctors, lawyers, financial analysts, whatever. Now Barone might be correct that they were not terribly relatable to southern baptists or whomever, but they were pretty successful down there anyway. Still, I understand Barone's position- nothing fails like failure, and conceding defeat now would be suicidal. So if this is a ploy to keep the base motivated, then it's an okay strategy. But it sounds an awful lot like blind denial to me.

jean in MN said...

I agree. They have NO clue. I am one of those 60ish volunteers, as are a lot of Obama volunteers. We phone, canvass, train others, attend events and, regardless of age, are all very involved, committed to Obama's campaign and thrilled to see the engagement of so many others this election. One large group of volunteers in a wealthy suburb here in Mpls, MN identify themselves by their t-shirts: "CAKE EATERS FOR OBAMA".

Jen said...

"As for what the right will do when Obama wins, it's obvious -- blame ACORN for a stolen election and refuse to accept the legitimacy of a President Obama."

I am sure we will see another "Arkansas Project" except in Illinois and Fox and Rush will be talking about bodies on the train tracks 24-7.

imadis said...

real joe

I enjoy your sense of humor.

Eric Garcia said...

Okay, yeah, yeah, I was angry enough myself I glossed over the Sean of it all.

So, officially:

Sean, I am sorry I called you Nate.

But, c'mon, if I'm gonna misappropriate your words, who better, right?

Real Joe said...

where the fu** are the new polls ?

Ras ?

apollodorus said...

Around here the uniform of the Obama fundies seems to be glassy eyes, frazzled white hair, and a glimmer of nostalgia for the precious sixties. I don't know about orange caps.

NC_voter said...

Just like to point out that 4 years ago at this point, John Kerry NEVER led in Gallup, Rasmussen, CNN, CBS, Battleground, Newsweek, or a TIME tracking poll.


Also, between four years ago and election day, bush NEVER had a RCP average that exceeded 4.0

Obama is at 6.3 right now.

PeteKent said...

The central thesis of Barone’s analysis is that while much favors Obama and it certainly appears that he has amassed an insurmountable lead, there are facts, circumstances and evidence to suggest that there remains sufficient fluidity in this race.

Sean seems most offended by Barone’s dismissal of the Obama ground game. I have long maintained that that Obama’s overwhelming efforts in this regard will come up a cropper. He seems hell bent on pursuing a caucus strategy which is misplaced given that we are having elections not caucuses on November 4 and while GOTV may help on the margins, unless the election in a given state is particularly close, it will not matter. If the posters here and on other pro-Obama blogs indicate the level of skill and patience in dealing with voters who might be somewhat resistant to Obama’s charms, if persuadable, then Obama will find little solace in their efforts as his supports strike me as effete, condescending and overconfident and wholly lacking in an ability to make a positive case for their candidate.

The evidence from Ohio is particularly alarming to the Obama side. Apparently so-called early voting there has been a bust, with particularly disappointing numbers in Cuyahoga County wherein lies Cleveland. Not so-surprisingly unregistered African Americans who were offered the chance to register and vote on the same day seem rather blasé and have not bothered to avail themselves of the opportunity. Expect more of the same on Election Day. Black folk have been ignored by Obama in this campaign, except when he chose to use them as an object of scorn. I suspect they will repay him in kind for having thrown his lot in with “whitey”. Think Philadelphia during the primary.

Obama rise in the polls is wholly the creature of a financial markets calamity of which he has been the passive beneficiary. He has done nothing to shape the response to the crisis and has been content to play it cool and cautious, sitting on his lead and letting McCain flail around and make mistakes.

It is a dangerous strategy to try and sit on your lead for the last month of the election especially when there is so much at stake.

Heretofore Obama’s primary deficit has been on the leadership question. He has shown little real leadership over the past few weeks. Being cool and saying nothing is not leadership. And while you can argue over the efficacy of the McCain response, you cannot argue over the fact that he was engaged and spurred to action by the events on Wall Street. In this sense Obama’s lead is porous – he has not earned it and it can be denied him easily should things change.

As a politician Obama is a poor closer. He lost the primaries to Hillary Clinton. Had they all been held in late April when Pennsylvania voted, he would have been routed from the field. Obama seems to win best when he wins by default – driving competition from the race and then benefiting from a weak field. Hence his strategy to have the media call vociferously for Clinton’s withdrawal after he won that string of victories leading up to his twin losses in Ohio and Texas, but by then he had the chattering classes all calling out that it was over, despite Clinton’s series of impressive wins at the end.

McCain and Palin will not go so easily. They will raise grave and necessary doubts about who Obama is. He has not been really vetted. His background and associations have been glossed over and never really examined. The media is his co-conspirator in this and the people understand how untrustworthy they are. A looming surprise may be in the offing as Obama and the media are both rejected as not inspiring trust or confidence.

There may be a tipping point on the economy as well. At some point many will conclude that we cannot afford the luxury of an unknown, untested politician to lead us out of this mess. This is Obama’s greatest risk.

Jeremy said...

Hahaha!!! Nailed him, Sean!

fred said...

Arethe polls just really bad so they are holding them for 6? RAS!

Eric said...

I don't think it's the debate performance as much as the vile campaign the McPlain Camp is running. If you notice, Obama has had a gigantic surge in the last 2 days, probably about 5%. It's almost incredible that there's even 5% more available to him since the country is generally so polarized. I see it as a mass backlash telling the McCain camp, just stop with your insincere negative crap. It rings hollow and pisses us off as we watch you squirm because you're uncomfortable doing it and Palin salivate like a bitch in heat. The whole electorate is basically giving their campaign a big f-you. Look at the trackers. Obama's way up in all of them, but Rasmussen where it's flat. He's moved up 5 more in HOTLINE, 5 more in Battleground, 4 more in Zogby, 2more in Gallup. What now McShame?

Chi said...

"Sarah Palin will campaign in West Virginia this weekend"

LOL. The writing on the wall in WV doesn't bode well for McCain.

Jen said...

MR-

I think the "they" are the hard core right wingers.

I hear your point. I was offended by the cockiness of the right after 2004 and I think it turned many moderates off too. Something to think about.

I do not have much sympathy for those who do not vote though, since it is their choice. I mean it is not that hard, especially since most states allow absentee voting.

fred said...

petekent-

It will be so sweet if you lose in a landslide. Your posts motivate me to call more folks on my Move On list.

RWD said...

"He has not been really vetted."

So, how is the weather on planet crackpot today? Of all the possible arguments you could make against Obama, this is absolutely the stupidest one.

STepper said...

Another stupid comment from Pete Kent who has not idea what the value is of a GOTV drive.

Kent - go back in your hole in your bomb shelter Your talking points are utter bull-ship.

fred said...

Obama was vetted by the two best vetting organization int he world - the Clintons and the repuglicans.

Jen said...

Quico said- "Timothy McVeigh will seem like an altar boy by 2012."

_________________________________

I find this statement to be rather threatening. Was that your intention?

Pip said...

In 2004 democrats were woefully underprepared for how the game was played and what was really occuring. In 2008, Obama has flipped the board and taken control of the entire process, without having to cheat or break laws. There is a huge margin of error in this race, but as you have pointed out it leans in Obama's favor. Republicans are in for a rude awekening on the morning of Nov 5.

As I have argued with friends, the only real qualification Obama needs was beating the Clinton machine. If he can take that down, he can take anything the republicans can throw at him. And he can handle anything thrown his way while serving as our president.

Thelma Lou said...

I'm 41 years old, and I went to a mixer this week at our local Obama office in Colorado (80020). The only people that were obviously younger than me were my two kids (3 & 5).

I was struck by the amount of grey hair in the room. And it was packed, even in our conservative Republican suburb.

dc social said...

Is it me, or are the posts on this site getting increasingly hostile?

rdweber said...

Mule,

"they" are specifically the Republican analysts and strategists who are responsible for the worst run campaign in the history of modern politics.

Antmatic said...

- The state numbers that were hinted to come out at 3 and 5 were the Rasmussen VT and OR numbers I posted above.

- Sean is getting a bit too excited with some of his postings. However, Barone has probably been the most incorrect pundit this entire election season; he seriously should be fired for all of the incorrect analysis he has done. Just read his blog archives, particularly how he was projecting HRC would comfortably win the primary popular vote.

Eric said...

Important to consider as you volunteers passionately work your butts off every day until November 4th. It is possible that Obama will be able to do what FDR and Reagan did, fundamentally change the elctroate with all of our help. The bastardized Reagan religion most call Neo-conservatism needs to die off. If Democrats rule the country for 30-40 years they'll do two things at once. They'll fix the country and destroy Neo-conservatism to where when the republicans make a comeback, they'll be a better and different party. So when you knock on doors, donate, make calls, travel to and fro, know that this is not just an effort for 4 or 8 years of potential changes, this could be for a lifetime and for the potential of america and the World to be a better place. 28 years of crap needs to be set to the curb for at least a generation. Thank you for all of your efforts. let's try to win all of the swing states.

Shap said...

PeteKent said:
As a politician Obama is a poor closer. He lost the primaries to Hillary Clinton.

LOL, Pete. OMG, you really are too cute!

boulder-liberal said...

Obama is likely the most vetted candidate in the history of the US. But, I just hope the McCain camp keeps up the "Do we really know him?" line of attack. It will guarantee an Obama landslide.

Gerbie said...

Of topic,

At the end of the previous post
Shap said...
Once McCain is elected, he will rid this country of planetariums, thus saving our financial system.

Funny enough to crosspost it imo;-)

Wayward Son said...

"wasn't vetted" = Republican speak for "we tried to find something new and couldn't, so we're replaying the Greatest Hits of the Democratic Primary."

Evan said...

Slightly off-topic but I was looking at electoral-vote today and noticed something.

Within the past couple days, Obama has gone above 270 EVs with only the polls giving him a +5 margin. Neither Kerry nor Bush were able to do this after Mid-June in 04.

Take a look - http://tinyurl.com/5n7z67 . The page has two charts for 04 and 08. The 2nd one in each set is the one requiring a +5

Dave said...

Let's cut these right-wingers a little slack.

They don't have much experience with losing, and the poor people are grasping at straws. There's no harm to us in their trying to convince themselves that they have a chance.

prairiecomm said...

mulie - again, kudos for cleaning up your act. i agree that liberal profanity does no one any good

seer - you can lay off, you give us a bad name, mulie's come a long way and most of us appreciate it

real joe (from an earlier thread) - yes, we'll call out the coast guard for you and have hot chocolate waiting

dc-social - they tend to get enraged in the afternoon when people are bored and waiting for their next poll-fix, and sunday afternoons .... well, we just won't go there!

but mostly, both liberal and conservative here are thoughtful and respectful of each other

it's a real opportunity to appreciate how each other tick so we can get along better overall

Stephen Morillo said...

Sean -- quiet! We don't WANT him to know, do we? Remove this post now! :-)

Real Joe said...

Palin schedules bus tour of West Virginia

WTF ?

Phoeflame said...

And while you're lecturing people on vile language, save a bit of your righteous indignation for the ones inciting it against presidential candidates. You know, like the people who say nothing when members of their mob yell "Terrorist!" and "Kill him!"

The hypocrisy is absolutely breathtaking.

Shap said...

Thanks, Gerbie! I'm glad to see that you hate planetariums as much as John McCain and myself.

If we build new planetariums, then the terrorists win!

Gerbie said...

PeteKent said:
As a politician Obama is a poor closer. He lost the primaries to Hillary Clinton.


So you're suggesting Obama will lose states after he won the 4/11 super tuesday?

David said...

Mule Rider,

I see your new meds are making you more stable. That is great to see, and I mean that sincerely.

You still need to change your user name because everything you wrote thus far in this thread is complete orthogonal to almost everything you have posted over the past few weeks.

In other words, it comes off extremely hypocritical.

Put simply: You can't post neo-con talking points for weeks and then play the peacemaking centrist. It doesn't work, just ask McCain.

livemild said...

has anyone heard whatever happened to the troopergate report??

Sean said...

Yeah, Palin being in West freaking Virginia.

What message does that send?

Green said...

Can you tell Nate Silver that he's not been up-to-date about updating new polls, please? Often, it's been behind pollster.com, and not comprehensive enough by Nate's own standard.

Becky Sharp said...

So who wins when pundits get it wrong? Specifically, when Barone says its not yet over for McCain who does he help?

1) McCain, because he raise the morale of McCain supporters and therefore promotes a higher turnout for McCain?

2) Obama, because he lessens the danger of complacency amongst Obama supporters?

3) No net change

I really don't know the answer but I'm not convinced its all 1)

Shap said...

livemild said...
has anyone heard whatever happened to the troopergate report??


Sure, it was resolved. Some guy named Todd was at fault. It appears he only had a passing relationship with Governor Palin, so she's scot-free!

Blame said...

Sorry to break the topic, but any sign of McCain pulling out of PA yet?

He could use a little more help in Florida. Lol.

AxmxZ said...

sean: That they've given up on trying to shield themselves from injury and just want to prevent insult now.

Sean said...

Troopergate:

http://community.adn.com/adn/node/132527

They're meeting right now about where to go with it.

"At their meeting today, Alaska lawmakers plan to vote to release the estimated 300-page report and some of the 1,000 or more pages of supporting documents. The 14-member legislative panel could recommend that the case be closed, that another committee continue to investigate or that the matter be referred to criminal investigators."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=6002372&page=1

I can't wait!!!

Subterranean said...

God, per the Anchorage Daily News, the legislators on the Troopergate panel have over 1,000 pages to sift through. This is going to take fucking forever---we probably won't get a press release today. :(

Kennyb said...

Which do you think is more effective? Youth-to-Parent/Grandparent outreach? Or Parent-to-Youth? If you have ever rebelled from your parents, you know the answer. I know several peers who have been convinced to vote, sometimes for the first time, by their children and grandchildren! And they will certainly get driven to the polls, too.

Barone is right, though, in his instinct: Enthusiasm among a handful (McPalin) is not as effective as enthusiasm among a multitude (Obama). Enthusiasm among many = votes.

bmcworldcitizen said...

Pete, if you really think anyone here reads (let alone is influenced by) your absurd cut and paste fests, you are as deluded as you seem.

The case is made, people have made up their minds and your guys have run out of time. Try and shuffle off with a little dignity and decorum for Gods sake. An honourable running out of the clock, might actually limit the damage to merely catastrophic. It's clear from every poll taken since Monday, that the current unseemly, hysterical and Wagnerian performance, is driving people away in droves.

Maab said...

RACE ISNT JUST WHITE AND BLACK.

What has this election said about America's relations with the Arab and Muslim world? If this election has stressed that race should not be a factor- why does Barack have to try so hard to set himself aside from the Arab world, why do candidates try and portray him as a Muslim, and why does this affect American voters? Should Arab Americans be offended? Finally, does Barack Hussein Obama winning the White House mean that we are beyond Islamophobia/Anti-Arabism or does the fact he had to fight the rumors so hard mean that we are not?

fred said...

On the shows I hae been watching out of Philly, the McCain ads really fell off this week. We sometimes had back to back Obama ads.

John Nail said...

Sean. great work. I commented on this post of his yesterday on USA Today and they did not post it. I told him essentially he was clueless and should go to 538.com or get off his fat ass and get out and see what is going on

mc9cain said...

Real Joe,
Palin in WV? I agree with you. How crazy is that? The McCain camp needs to spend every living moment in Ohio and Florida and...well, then again, what do they do?!? So many states to win back and so little time.

Maybe Sarah and family want to get a free tour of the lower 49 before they head back to her governor's mansion in Juneau for the next 4 years.

Mulie,
Rays take the first one tonight?

KIC said...

Brilliant commentary Sean. This should have national coverage. Outstanding.

Blue in PA said...

Blame--no sign of pulling out of PA yet (still running ads here in central PA). I'm enjoying it. As PA drift farther from him I hope he continues to spend here.

LMP said...

I would like to know who Mr. Barone's agent is. On average I write marginally better than Mr. Barone, but what has always held me back is that I thought one must KNOW things. Or at least look them up. (Oh, research, you make me tired.) But now my eyes are opened! I could make a living writing whatever passes through my mind and not look anything up at all! All I need is Mr. Barone's agent to hook me up with a Republican mouthpiece, and watch the money roll in!

Real Joe said...

sean said...
Yeah, Palin being in West freaking Virginia.

What message does that send?


we are fu**ed

what happened to my fellow rednecks ?

p.s.

i'm still packing

time to jump the ship

the ship is sinking

:-(

Eric said...

Folks. notice the plethora of polls in Ohio, Virginia and Florida that have Obama up outside the MOE. Ohio and Virginia have already started voting. Florida starts soon. If McCain loses any of them he's almost assured to lose. Not to mention Nevada, Colorado, North carolina, Missouri, Indiana, Georgia, Montana, West Virgnia

Jeremy said...

Holy shit!

McCain only +3% in GA.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/docs/IA_Georgia_101008.htm

Real Joe said...

blue in pa said...
Blame--no sign of pulling out of PA yet (still running ads here in central PA). I'm enjoying it. As PA drift farther from him I hope he continues to spend here.


McCain campaign is 100% stupid

PA is fu**ing blue

seer said...

prairiecomm:

say what you will. the guy's a jerk off and has been since day one. thanks for the suggestion though.

zzyzx said...

Heh, I had completely forgotten about that popular vote spreadsheet.

"So if Clinton wins Indiana by 35% and..."

Then people kept acting like those predictions were obvious instead of some random guys

Becky Sharp said...

is McCain running out of money or just changing tactics? I'm noticing way fewer web ads these days

Real Joe said...

jeremy said...
Holy shit!

McCain only +3% in GA.


it may also go blue with high AA turnout

Real Joe said...

becky sharp said...
is McCain running out of money or just changing tactics? I'm noticing way fewer web ads these days


no more money from me

Becky Sharp said...

@eric
If you notice, Obama has had a gigantic surge in the last 2 days, probably about 5%.

What do you base this on?

Gerbie said...

livemild said...
has anyone heard whatever happened to the troopergate report??


This is on TPM...

"Palin's lawyer, Thomas Van Flein, tried to preemptively discredit the report, telling the ADN that it won't be comprehensive because Branchflower didn't interview Palin or her chief of staff, Mike Tibbles.

"They didn't even try to interview the governor. You want to know why she reassigned Monegan, it would be nice to talk to her. They didn't even try," Van Flein said. "It's a report that's going to be half-done at best. And anything that's half-done will likely be half-baked.""

kind of funny after fighting subpoenas...

Shap said...

Maab-

Not sure if you're just a concern troll, but you sure sound like one. Here's the story:

1. Islamophobia is still an issue in this country, and will be after this election, no matter who wins

2. Obama fighting the rumors doesn't mean that he is anti-Islamic. It means he is pro-truth.

3. The only reason Barack has to 'try so hard' to set himself aside from Islam is because haters 'try so hard' to smear him

In summary, Obama is not the problem. Many of his opponents are lying to you. Aren't you concerned about that? If we elect McCain, don't you think America might have a 'dishonesty' problem?

Eric said...

Kennyb said...
Which do you think is more effective? Youth-to-Parent/Grandparent outreach? Or Parent-to-Youth? If you have ever rebelled from your parents, you know the answer. I know several peers who have been convinced to vote, sometimes for the first time, by their children and grandchildren! And they will certainly get driven to the polls, too.

Barone is right, though, in his instinct: Enthusiasm among a handful (McPalin) is not as effective as enthusiasm among a multitude (Obama). Enthusiasm among many = votes.


Okay, so I'm not going to define this as "Bradley Effect". I'd even argue there's potential more Reverse Bradley than Bradley, but... I know that children are talking to their parents and grandparents and convincing them to vote Obama. The question is when they go in that booth, what are they really going to do? No way to know.

DB1 said...

We need a new Almanac to cover American politics, because Barone has lost all credibility for himself and his increasingly sorry almanac.

John Nail said...

Sean, come and see us turn GA blue!! You guys can stay here and get all the beer you can drink!!

New poll has us only -3 in GA now and we are jacked up....

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/docs/IA_Georgia_101008.htm

GA is going blue which means SC can too sandwiched between NC and GA!!

Here is an update for all who are interested:
http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/jnail/blog/&blogId=4687

Pierre said...

I am truly confused by the Palin investigation. Why did McCain pick her when it was planned months in advance that the report would be released in October?

Did Palin convince McCain that she could delay or even completely derail the investigation? Did Palin not mention it? Did McCain not ask about it (or even know about it)? Or did they come up with a plan -- "it's all Obama's fault" -- that they thought would discredit the investigation (if so, what a gamble to take!)?

I mean, seriously, what were they thinking? This makes NO sense at all.

moondancer said...

Looks like McCain is choosing gotterdammerung as his campaign finish. Destroy Obama as much as possible, destroy his own legacy, destroy his viability as a senator. All for what? To punish the US for not choosing him over the upstart colored fellah?
Country first, senator? Yeah right. Its NEVER been country first with you. It's always been about you and your ambition. You're a disgrace without honor. I'm glad you chose the most dishonorable way to exit, you piece of shit.

Mark said...

I don't understand McCain and Palin. Why don't they just fly up to Wasilla and have Rev. Muthee pray over them?

Johnny said...

The difference barone, is that pbama went through an entire promary and had the apparatus in places such as North Carolina, Virgina, Nevada and Colorado.

Does Barone not see the difference? One is theoretical (Dean), Obama's plan has already had a dress rehearsel. The Clinton race is what will win Obama the presidency.

Shap said...

Pierre said...
I am truly confused by the Palin investigation. Why did McCain pick her when it was planned months in advance that the report would be released in October?

Did Palin convince McCain that she could delay or even completely derail the investigation? Did Palin not mention it? Did McCain not ask about it (or even know about it)? Or did they come up with a plan -- "it's all Obama's fault" -- that they thought would discredit the investigation (if so, what a gamble to take!)?

I mean, seriously, what were they thinking? This makes NO sense at all.


It makes a lot of sense, actually, when you consider McCain spent one day vetting her.

But more importantly, who is Barack Obama? No, seriously, never heard of him? Have you? Can you tell me who this guy is?

Robert said...

Just logging in as one more Obama supporter who thought the post in general was very interesting, but feel that the &%!*$ repressed f-bomb could quite easily and happily be left out. I know the McCain Palin "wave of hate" campaign is a bit infuriating, and clearly bad for our country, but posting opposing partisanship won't help that fact much.

fred said...

McCain did not vet Palin, but the one thing they said they knew before her pick was Troopergate. McCain and Schmidt own this one.

New Mexico Matt said...

I can vouch for the Obama peer to peer contact effort in Dona Ana Co., New Mexico. The paid organizers spend more time recruiting and organizing volunteers to go out and canvass their own neighbors than they do canvassing themselves.

It's been pretty successful I think. Me and my fellow organized locals are running out of neighbors who we haven't talked to. I can think of several dozen neighbors who I contacted personally that are much more likely to vote because of the effort. Some weren't registered and we registered them. Some signed up for voting by mail. Some undecideds were convinced to vote for Obama based on a conversation about taxes and the economic plans of the two candidates.

So basically no orange hatted students prowling the streats of Las Cruces, NM.

fred said...

That was not a prtisan f-bomb, it was an f-bomgb using a very normal expression among youth these days. No harm, no foul. OWNED!

Jen said...

Off topic, I think the two biggest winners in the Palin pick were SNL and the Anchorage Daily News.

Chi said...

pierre said, "Why did McCain pick her when it was planned months in advance that the report would be released in October?"

Umm...'cause he thought women were stupid; 'cause he didn't vet her; 'cause he thought he'd be seen as a 'maverick'; he put winning first and country second.

Gerbie said...

Race isn't just black and white

True but what does that have to do with Islam? Middle eastern people are mostly of caucasian race, just as all Americans of European descent are. (Obama only 50%)

fred said...

Well, Schmidt trusted James Dobson's vetting process.
LOL!

Pierre said...

Shap said...

It makes a lot of sense, actually, when you consider McCain spent one day vetting her.

Yes, I know, but even one day of vetting should have uncovered "under investigation by legislative council for potential ethics violations; report due out in October."

I mean, am I making sense here?

markymark said...

I get the feeling that the anti Obama forces have no idea of whats on the way when it comes to a GOTV campaign. I am not saying that the GOP might not have its own plans (much less ovious though they may be) but its plainly obvious that Obama has organised in a way NO other presidential campaign ever has.

Interesting that Barone should chose to look at Dean's Iowa GOTV performance, when there is a more recent and more applicable example he could have used- Barack Obama's own GOTV at the Iowa Caucuses in 2008. How did that turn out again?

Alex S. said...

Palin going to West Virginia.. uhh.. it will probably influence the polls as much as it did in Pennsylvania. West Virginians are not evangelicals. And I wonder what McCain/Palins anti-earmark stance (at least in theory) will do to them, since Sen. Byrd is a "master" of earmarks and West Virginia likes it.

@ Barone:
Well, it´s obvious that many Republicans are delusional about their chances - especially on the ground-game - your posts, Sean, confirm this. However, I´d prefer that to stay this way. Let them be surprised on Nov. 4th.

Becky Sharp said...

Shap, they know about troopergate - they just didn't know she was a doufus

Kennyb said...

Who knows what parents and grandparents will do in the privacy of the voting booth? But I do know that I'd rather have a bunch of parents that say to their kids they will vote Obama than a bunch of parents whose kids do not bother enough to ask them to make the promise!

prairiecomm said...

real joe - the scales are falling from the eyes of your fellow rednecks :-)

Pierre said... I am truly confused by the Palin investigation. Why did McCain pick her when it was planned months in advance that the report would be released in October?

no vetting ...

seer -- we're all evolving, ain't we!

oh, la - the land is turning blue, I can hardly believe it. there actually is a little more room for McC to drop, he was actually down to 41 in the dem convention bounce

Buckeye Joe said...

In Columbus Ohio, the Obama volunteers include many seasoned political professionals and just plain professionals. The neighborhood leader volunteers are interviewed, and only get the supervisory role for the neighborhood after showing their reliability. During the Kerry campaign, a number of local progressive groups sprung up all on their own, and were ineffectively used by the campaign. This cycle is a different ballgame. There is a plan, the plan is executed by folks who know what they are doing, and vote after vote is already banked. I'm not sure if a dead boy story could save McCain now. Franklin County stands to be 100,000+ for Obama, and with that goes the election.

Real Joe said...

glenn-in-colorado said...
The October surprise if it does exist is Obama's Kenyan birth / Indonesian citizenship both meaning Obama is a naturalized US citizen (at best) twice over and is, therefore, constitutionally unqualified to serve as POTUS.

The Berg lawsuit in PA is playing out this month. Obama's "Certificate of Live Birth" produced by his campaign is not an original borth certificate and has several problems (lack of a seal, missing folds, spacing error in the date, race of father ...)

This is the true Hail Mary and is about all McCain has left.

Cheers


Haaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaa

RWD said...

"The evidence from Ohio is particularly alarming to the Obama side. Apparently so-called early voting there has been a bust"

That liberal rag the Wall Street Journal just ran a piece today on Ohio, and somehow failed to mention that the "so-called" early balloting was "a bust".

Real Joe said...

any polls coming out ?

where are the Ras state polls ?

1219775025s12895 said...

Damned kids and their stocking caps. Barone is always wrong. Why does he still have a job? Seriously.

Robert said...

Republicans and Democrats:
Will you write a quick email to the McCain campaign to let them know that the current ginning up of hatred is not a good thing for our country or their election prospects?

Even a one sentence email gets your opinion logged.

I think we can all agree that the wave of hate strategy is not good for the long term future of our country. A time when people are hurting and angry, and looking for someone to pin their anger on, is a bad time to whip up violent sentiments. AS much as I disagree with some of them, I am fine with negative ads by McCain against Obama, or contrasts, etc., but I think that some wackos are going to find this current mob stuff motivating to commit acts of violence. Our country is in no shape for dealing with the effects of an assassination, or even the anger and fear an attempt would create. Let's set our differences aside on this one.

PS: everyone here also knows from the polls remaining relatively stable right now, with some evidence of a further slumping of McCain's numbers, that this strategy is also not helping your candidate if you are a republican. You are doing your candidate a favor AND clearly serving the best interests of your country by taking 60 seconds to email. (I know dems, you don't really want to help McCain's election prospects, but this is for the general good - why don't you email too.)

I would encourage everyone to write to the McCain campaign (republican supporters, independents, and democrats). I never thought I would write posts encouraging people to go to McCain's website, but I think if they are getting an overwhelming amount of feedback on this, they might at least be explicit that hate/violence are not ok, which they are currently refraining from manning up and doing.

Real Joe said...

early voting in OH is a bust ?

from what i hear negroes & white negroes are voting like crazy

STepper said...

@Pierre

The Trooper firing report was originally due out a few days before the election, but the Alaska Legislature decided to be fair to Palin and have it come out earlier so that she could respond to it.

The Republican leader of the state senate, a Rethuglican and from Wasilla, hates her guts, by the way. Palin has gone out of her way to be a miserable ***t to her and I am sure there will be some reciprocity.

I am just as sure Palin didn't bother to tell that to James Dobson when he "vetted" her (probably by holding her hand, exchanging snakes, and babbling in tongues with her).

McCain wanted someone else (Pawlenty or Lieberman), but his brilliant, and I do mean brilliant, strategist and campaign manager, Steve Titanic Schmidt, decided on a game changer. After Bill Kristol (thanks, neocon) urged McCain to pick her.

WORST. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. EVER.

markymark said...

Are the polling companies taking into account early voting for exit polls? Or is it still just guys with clipboards outside of polling places?

Pierre said...

The Berg lawsuit in PA is playing out this month. Obama's "Certificate of Live Birth" produced by his campaign is not an original borth certificate and has several problems (lack of a seal, missing folds, spacing error in the date, race of father ...)

Uh... OK.

1) how many people have their original birth certificate? I don't. That's why states keep, you know, these things called "records."

2) If Obama's claims of birth in Hawaii were lies, wouldn't, you know, the state of Hawaii have something to say about that?

The entire right-wing is going crazy.

David said...

I wish I knew why Obama or his people haven't come out against Palin's hate rallies.

Not only is it vile and dangerous and making more public would hopefully blunt the threat of violence, but getting the word out to people who don't pay close attention can only help Obama.

Becky Sharp said...

Wow. Look how McPalin approval ratings have tanked in the last two days. (2nd chart)

Really hoping this is decent Americans showing their disgust over the direction the recent campaign has taken (and the scumbags who turn up at their rallies)

Wayward Son said...

R.J., please don't leave until after the election. Without your encouragement, no one would hustle to post new polls, and new polls are like candy.

However, it does make me wonder.. to where are you planning on moving? Canada's out, they have healthcare. Mexico? Would be kinda funny to see Republicans treated as immigrants. Europe? They're almost all socialist. Australia? The leadership seems like a bunch of George W's, but my visit indicated they openly dislike Yanks. Maybe it was just me. Middle east, out. Russia, maybe.. oil and new money.. but the mafia? Africa, yea right.

I got it! Kazakhstan! Borat welcoming you to 2nd greatest country!

John said...

Around here the uniform of the Obama fundies seems to be glassy eyes, frazzled white hair, and a glimmer of nostalgia for the precious sixties.

And this passage IN NO WAY describes John McCain. IN NO WAY AT ALL.

Steven said...

OK, NATE (yes, Nate, not Sean), listen:

The on-the-road series is great.

BUT Pretty much everything else that Sean Quinn posts to this website is crap. This post reads like it belongs on FireJoeMorgan.com (a site I'm sure you love as much as I do). And yes, to those who will jump on me for this, I realize I'm free to ignore these posts. That's true, but it doesn't make them NOT crap. I really think this "analysis" takes FiveThirtyEight down a peg. Your credibility suffers when "They.Are.So.Fucked." is the type of analysis that you offer your readers.

Again, I love the On The Road series and I think it does a lot to supplement the polling analysis. But this post is drivel. You can do better.

dwbh said...

Georgia (Insider Advantage):

McCain 49%
Obama 46%

link

Gerbie said...

Nate, Sean,

I've got an ad for Scientology channel on YouTube. Can you please take that away? I find it offensive. I've read the FAQ's where you state "Why do you run ads for [insert name of candidate you don't like]? I believe in the right of free speech." Scientology doesn't qualify in that free speech, instead its a dangerous sect that makes loads of money of their victims.

David said...

"early voting in OH is a bust ?

from what i hear negroes & white negroes are voting like crazy"

RJ, you are better than this nonsense. Leave the hate mongering to MR.

Chi said...

"The Berg lawsuit in PA is playing out this month. Obama's "Certificate of Live Birth" produced by his campaign is not an original borth certificate and has several problems (lack of a seal, missing folds, spacing error in the date, race of father ...)"

One, irrespective of his or her place of birth, is American as long as either parent is American. Barack may have been born on Mars, but as long as his mom is American, he is American.

rationalcauses said...

Just brilliant, Sean. Clearly one guy who hasn't been reading 538. The Road series, btw, and this site deserves a Pulitzer. Brilliant, educational and important. It sheds light on what is fundamental to America - the kernel of our democracy - and what could be more fundamentally American? Seeing those volunteers working their tails off and the inspiring grassroots work going on to reshape America has been eye-opening.

Jen said...

Becky said:

"Shap, they know about troopergate - they just didn't know she was a doufus"

I think this is 100% true. Not to be crass, but I think McCain thought he needed a vagina on the ticket to get the womens's vote and it really did not matter who that vagina was attached to. I may disagree with them, but the Republican women in the Senate (and the Dems too) are smart and accomplished so I think maybe it did not occur to McCain that a Palin would not be since she was the governor of a state. I guess as an Arizonian he never heard of Deukmeijian.

Kennyb said...

I for one would rather have Sean's posts than not.

Eric said...

Becky Sharp said...
@eric
If you notice, Obama has had a gigantic surge in the last 2 days, probably about 5%.

What do you base this on?

Zogby went from O+1 to O+5 (48 hours)

Gallup O+8 to O+10 (48 hours)

HOTLINE O+1 to O+7 (48 hours)

Battleground O+3 to O+8 (48 hours)

Research 2000 O+8 to O+12 (48 hours


Any other questions?

Foxe even has it O+7

InkStain said...

Is that within the MOE? Within the MOE in Georgia?

John said...

They will raise grave and necessary doubts about who Obama is. He has not been really vetted.

Hey! Just like Palin!

Finally, something we have in common.

J said...

I live in Texas and my wife just called and said north of where we live is turning into a sea of Obama signs. I know Texas was last polled at +19 for McCain, but I am going to say those numbers are little off based on what I am seeing on the ground.

Mike said...

Indicator that the last ARG West Virginia poll may not be a fluke?

Sarah Palin has scheduled a bus tour through WV this weekend.

Real Joe said...

j said...
I live in Texas and my wife just called and said north of where we live is turning into a sea of Obama signs. I know Texas was last polled at +19 for McCain, but I am going to say those numbers are little off based on what I am seeing on the ground.


Texas is a BIG state

markymark said...

I don't know if this is a dumb thing to ask, but given there are constitutional qualifications on becoming President, isn't it reasonable to assume that the FEC has asked to check that the candidates are constitutionally qualified to serve as President?

Matt said...

I would agree with a few of the others in this comments thread who have voiced some discomfort with the tone of Sean's post. I'm a big Obama supporter and have loved the OTR series, but there is no need to use f-bombs, however clueless Michael Barone may be. Let's try to keep it factual and as respectful as possible.

It's your blog of course, so feel free to ignore me if you wish.

Becky Sharp said...

@eric

Becky Sharp said...
If you notice, Obama has had a gigantic surge in the last 2 days, probably about 5%.
What do you base this on?
----
Eric said...
Zogby went from O+1 to O+5 (48 hours)
Gallup O+8 to O+10 (48 hours)
HOTLINE O+1 to O+7 (48 hours)
Battleground O+3 to O+8 (48 hours)
Research 2000 O+8 to O+12 (48 hours


You didn't mention:
Rasmussen O+8 to O+5 (48 hours)

Put those 6 together and you get 3% average

Blame said...

McCain knew about troupergate, but felt it was a gamble worth taking. From his point of view Palin was the only available choice.

McCain had been convinced that he HAD to take a staunch pro-lifer, and he believed, as did I, that the PUMA's were up fgor grabs. That meant he had to choose a woman. That left a choice of exactly one.

Had McCain not been a total sexist he might have bothered to try understanding women. If he had he would have realised that women do not see each other as totaly interchangable.

As VP Palin would be fit to make the coffee, and doubtless McCain knew it. Problem is, so do most women.

Alena said...

It's amazing me at the straws the GOP are grasping at. They're just completely shocked, angry, and not ready for what about to happen November 4th. Honestly, I fear for the country regardless of how the election turns out. People will lose it.

markymark said...

I think Sean is being factual in his post. He is criticising Michael Barone's theory using his first hand knowledge of the Obama GOTV vs McCain GOTV campaigns.

Correa-Jones Happenings said...

I have gotten no work done because I have to read everyone's comment and then the comments about the comments. Then I have to refresh to check the previous post to catch what action I may have missed and then refresh to run to a possible new post. I am exhausted. A lot of you are entertaining, you know who you are. I just hope everyone actually votes when they are supposed to and doesn't assume other millions will "take care of it".

eponymous said...

+8 in Florida and -3 in Georgia (freaking Georgia) for Obama have got to be the most eye-popping results today. First Virginia, then North Carolina, and now Georgia? A blue east coast would go lovely with the Atlantic...if only SC weren't in the way.

In all seriousness though, a solid lead in Florida means McCain basically can't win unless his national numbers skyrocket.

Chi said...

That TX +19 was by ARG. Hell may as well freeze over before TX turns blue, but I seriously doubt that poll. ARG is the crappiest pollster out there.

Real Joe said...



McCain Camp, RNC to Spend $160 Million in Final Weeks



John McCain's campaign and the Republican National Committee plan to spend "upwards of $160 million" in the final weeks of the presidential race, according to a senior McCain adviser.

This will represent a massive counter-attack to combat Barack Obama's lopsided spending advantage to date.

The McCain adviser told FOX News that, while Obama is outspending them in all but two of 14 battleground states, "that will change over the last four weeks."

As national and battleground state polls show McCain trailing Obama consistently, McCain is urging voters not to count him out.

"In case you missed it, this is about the seventh or eighth time that pundits have said 'McCain's campaign is in trouble,'" he told Wisconsin voters Thursday. "We fooled them then and we will fool them again."

Asked if McCain could still surmount Obama's polling leads, the McCain adviser said Missouri, North Carolina and Indiana are "either close to or leaning for" McCain, and that the Republican nominee "will win those without much issue."

"That brings us to 200 [electoral votes]," the adviser said. "The next level is where we make or break. We need to really worry about Ohio, Florida, Virginia and Nevada."

The adviser expressed optimism for those states, based on conditions viewed as favorable to the McCain campaign. In Virginia, for instance, the adviser said the military vote could "offset any increased African American turnout."

In Florida, the Hispanic vote is not a "normal Hispanic vote" due to anti-Castro fervor, and so Obama's inroads could be reversed. In Nevada, McCain -- from nearby Arizona -- is familiar to voters. And the adviser said Ohio "seems to be persistently stronger for McCain relative to the other states."

Under that game plan, the adviser said the election would, "come down to Colorado."

So far, polls show Obama leading in Colorado.


http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/10/mccain-camp-rnc-spend-million-final-weeks/

Real Joe said...

$$$

bushworstever said...

tk: I was playing around with some numbers, and while this race looks like it will be a landslide electorally, but somewhat close proportionally, I had no idea small of a proportion of people could affect the election.

Here's a great site for checking that:

https://www.msu.edu/~sheppa28/elections.html#2004

markymark said...

When McCain says 'We fooled them then and we will fool them now' is he suggesting he was just fooling around when he was basically running on fumes about a year ago?

RWD said...

""That brings us to 200 [electoral votes],"

Which is about as many as anyone is predicting them to win. I too expect that McCain will end up winning Indiana...but it won't help.

Mason said...

RJ-
Har... More like McCain spends $30-40 MM and the RNC spends $120-130 MM.