It was Tom Bradley's 1982 race for governor of California, in which he lost to George Deukmejian in spite of leading in the public polls, that gave the Bradley Effect its name. But now Lance Tarrance, the pollster for Bradley in that race, has an article up at RCP suggesting that the Bradley Effect was merely a case of bad polling -- and that his campaign's internals had shown a dead heat:
The hype surrounding the Bradley Effect has evolved to where some political pundits believe in 2008 that Obama must win in the national pre-election polls by 6-9 points before he can be assured a victory. That’s absurd. There won’t be a 6-9 point Bradley Effect –- there can’t be, since few national polls show a large enough amount of undecided voters and it's in the undecided column where racism supposedly hides.Tarrance's article is a fascinating read into the way that polls are spun and campaign narratives are spread. It is well worth your time to read the entire piece.
The other reason I reject the Bradley Effect in 2008 is because there was not a Bradley Effect in the 1982 California Governor’s race, either. Even though Tom Bradley had been slightly ahead in the polls in 1982, due to sampling error, it was statistically too close to call.
With that said, the evidence is pretty strong that the Bradley Effect in fact used to exist in the 1980s and probably through some point in the 1990s. In this Pew Research article you will find several examples of it, spanning the window from Harold Washington in 1983 to Carol Moseley Braun in 1992.
The evidence is perhaps equally strong, however, that the Bradley Effect does not exist any longer. As can be seen in the Hopkins paper for Harvard University that I have referenced many times, at some point during the mid 1990s the Bradley Effect seems to be disappeared.
(A brief aside: This is not to suggest that there was no relationship between race an errors in polling during the Democratic primaries. There is clear evidence that Barack Obama overperformed his polls in states with a large number of African-American voters, a.k.a a Reverse Bradley Effect. There is not any statistically compelling evidence however that Obama routinely underperformed his polls in states with a large number of white voters).
If the Bradley Effect has disappeared or at least dissipated, it is worth thinking about why. I can think of several plausible answers.
1. As Hopkins suggests, racial hot-button issues like crime, welfare and affirmative action are largely off the table today.
2. It may be generational. Expressions of racism are strongly correlated with age, and is much more common among pre-Boomer adults. However, a smaller and smaller fraction of the electorate each year came of age in the segregation era. The Pew study that I linked to above reports that 92 percent of Amerians are now comfortable voting for an African-American for President. In 1982, when Bradley's race occurred, that number was more like 75 percent. (Although the Bradley Effect isn't about racism per se -- it is about people misleading pollsters because of social desirability bias -- racism is nevertheless one of its prerequisites).
3. Racism also has a strong inverse correlation with education, and the country is much more educated than it used to be. In 1980, 55 percent of the electorate had attended at least some college. By 2004, that number had increased to 74 percent. Most colleges are racially diverse, at least to a degree, and so the experience of interacting with African-American students as friends and classmates may be a significant deterrent to racism.
4. There may be some relationship to the revival of the religious right in the 1990s. For members of the religious right, there are now ample and automatic reasons to vote against any liberal candidate, a.k.a. their positions on issues like abortion. In addition, the religious right has made voting along cultural grounds (as opposed to policy grounds) more socially acceptable in general. So long as the voter believes he or she can articulate a "valid" reason for voting against an African-American candidate, there is little reason to deceive a pollster about one's intention.
5. Relatedly, there may also now be less overlap between those sorts of voters who are more likely to harbor racist sentiments and those who are more likely to vote for a Democrat. One test of this hypothesis would be to see whether black Republican candidates still suffer from a Bradley Effect, even if black Democrats largely do not.
6. Polling techniques may have improved. For instance, "pushing" leaners toward one or another candidate with an appropriate follow-up question may be a good way to tease out the preferences of voters who are shy to reveal that they won't support a black candidate.
7. People's attitudes toward polls may have changed. Our society has become more and more impersonal, and so when a pollster calls, the respondent may no longer regard the interviewer as a "neighbor" to whom he or she must seem socially desirable. This would be taken to the logical extreme by IVR polling technologies (a.k.a. "robopolls") in which there is no interaction with a human at all.
8. African-American candidates may have gotten smarter about how they market themselves to white voters.

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Wondering if there are some African Americans blogging who can talk to us about the potential effect in the AA community of an Obama win.
Who on this blog thinks that we should hire as president a former crackhead.
While Bush was an alcoholic, someone addictied to crack cocaine is a different story.
We could have a situation where he goes to a party, sees a pretty girl and she convinces him to take a toot or a hit and its all over. The question is, does Michelle have the same crack connections that she can still get it for him.
Obama up 2 in North Dakota. Not sure how reliable this poll is, but there are a lot of internals that point to good news for Obama.
http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=218215§ion=news
This great link points out how hypocritical the fact check industry is. Fox News nails them all. Fact Check came out very poorly. Politifact was not mentioned. Surprising. Who is doing their PR? As they say in Hollywood: there is no such thing as bad publicity.
Man bites dog makes news. Except in the mainstream media.
Palin is as smart as Biden -- damned with faint priase!
LINK: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,433314,00.html
I wish all the liberal and progressive sites that link to Drudge would resist the temptation. The less attention he gets the better.
So Obama likes young, blonde women. How is that racist?
Harold Ford Jr. liked young blonde women too and that didn't make him a racist.
We could have a situation where he goes to a party, sees a pretty girl and she convinces him to take a toot or a hit and its all over.
Oh, I know! These damned darkies with their jazz music, their big pants, and their dope.
The question is, does Michelle have the same crack connections that she can still get it for him.
Technically, that's not a question.
Don't you worry about Michelle. If she can't, maybe Mrs. McCain can score That One some painkillers.
Peter and Jack hanging out together tonight.Hi boys
Fox News thinks independent organizations aren't being favorable enough to Republicans? Shocking...
The financial crisis is out?.
PeteKent:
Who checks your facts these days, sweetie?
Palin is not as good of a VP option or as intelligent as Hutchison, Fiorina, Whitman, Todd-Whitman, Snowe, Rice, Wasserman-Schultz, Napolitano, Sebelius, McCaskill, Granholm, Clinton.
That would be off the top of my head, 12 possibilities that are Female, 6 Republicans, 6 Democrats, all without question more qualified that the iceberg that hit the Mctanic. Have you seen the internals of the polls? The country thinks Sarah Palin is pathetic. I'd feel sorry for her if I thought she was smart enough to realize what's happening. The reason McCain has no chance of turning this around regardless of strategy or tactics is his running-mate is an unadulterated moron!
Holy moly, the conserva-trolls are still at it. Go figure. These motherfuckers seem to have nothing better to do than constantly try to raise a ruckus on a sight that generally tends to draw well educated, intelligent posters. Hey conserva-trolls, get a damn job losers! You guys have to have something better to do than jack off to liberal responses to your bullshit.
Bush and treasury have solved the financial crisis. Since it is now over, Obama can't play on it anymore. It's pretty weak that your only reason to be elected is a bad economy.
I think you call it the 'audacity of dope.'
Thad Beier said...
"The Bradley Effect definitely existed, even for exit polls, in the Feinstein/Huffington race."
say what ???
both were white - so what effect are you talking about ?
Feinstein was a wealthy NoCal liberal jewish female, ex-mayor of SF & gay friendly
Huff was a wealthy GOPer carpetbagger living in Santa Barbara [SoCal] with the personality of a wet towel - who everyone in CA [or at least in LA] KNEW was a closeted gay self-hater
well apparently everyone except for Arianna...
the ONLY reason he was even in the race for Senate was that Arianna had so much ambition that she literally [not figuratively] pushed her 'hubbie' to run & spend his millions so she could get a better DC connection
only after he came out as gay & she dumped his arse did Arianna find the 'light' as a reformed neo-con now a strident liberal activist...
but there was no Bradley effect of any sort - although there was another NoCal vs SoCal divide
Huff almost won the race BTW
same for Boxer, she barely beat a terrible neo-con from SoCal in 1992 [Bruce Herschensohn] - probably only because on election eve the MSM broke a story about the GOPer hanging out in strip clubs
that was the 'October surprise' that revelation put Barbara Boxer in the Senate
these support the line or feasoning that in CA in the 80'2 & 90's the big difference was whether the candidates were NoCal or SoCal - but that every state wide race was close & not racial animosity or male/female that matterred as much as N/S IMHO
do they really have a country hick singing God Bless America at the Red Sox game in Boston? That's almost as dumb as Palin at the Flyers game! Where do they come up with these morons that make these decisions?!
PeteKent -
(1) Yes, PLEASE, shout from the roof-tops that only Gov. Palin has studied at Cheney's feet to learn VP governance.
(2) Get your talking points straight, son. I'll help: Palin. Is. Lying. Scum.
PETE
you are luvin that Abuse of Power, admit it...
Blogger Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...
Wondering if there are some African Americans blogging who can talk to us about the potential effect in the AA community of an Obama win.
AA is not a monolithic community.
That said - we'll be proud
i thought Ras had O up 6 in VA? only 3
A new 527 group has a new video on youtube. It first shows Obama with his tongue on that blonde woman's cheek, then it flashes to another flashy blonde all dressed up. She says in a throaty voice, "Barack, call me."
i love it! crist has to run away from mcnasty, mcfailin, mctanic as fast as he can. run chucky run
jack-be-numble...
You are, hands down, the dumbest most pathetic person to post on this sight, hands down. You know...you ARE allowed to get an education, right? You're allowed to read, study, and learn. You don't HAVE to remain an ignorant piece of shit your entire life, you know that right? If you don't know that, then I suggest you find a gun and put a bullet in your brainstem, because you're worthless to society. If you are aware of that, then try to exercise your right to learn. We'll see you after the landslide, right? You know, the landslide election taking place in which Barack Obama will receive more votes than any presidential candidate on the history of this great nation. We'll see you here apologizing for being a dipshit, right? I'll assume so, unless you took my bullet to the brainstem advice above.
Sunshine fortress: I'm with you about this. The reality of the Bradley effect is less important than the fact the meme for it exists, because then it can be used after the fact to justify shenanigans. I think the current pushing of it in the media/comments/blogs/etc is a setup.
Florida is blue on RCP without leaners.
But Colorado is still a toss-up, because RCP refused to include yesterday's PPP poll showing Obama +10.
"Obama with his tongue on that blonde woman's cheek, then it flashes to another flashy blonde all dressed up."
Lucky guy, damn. I wish I had his charisma...and clearly Jack wishes he does also.
"when did you stop beating your wife ?"
same with the Bradley non-effect
there is no rational rebuttal to a myth or a lie...
BUT it does make a great non-story & helps keep enthusiasm high for the DEMs
counter-productive for the GOPers & their supposed 'diversity'campaign, no ???
After Barack was kissing on the blonde woman, Michelle was very pissed and angry. She gave him a severe ass-kickin'
After it was all over, Michelle agreed to wear a blonde wig, if Barack would not stray.
i think if one analyzes the race and projects winners of states, not based on tipping points, but on actual likelihood for a state to end up in one column or the other, then MISSOURI should be light blue, not pure toss-up. Look at the recent polling there.
The jack be nimbles of this world will turn an 8 point Obama win into a 15 point landslide.
Thanks in advance.
Whats the matter Jack, you seem obsessed with Barack's chances with the ladies. Can't get laid yourself? Do women in real life think you're a total piece of shit, like all of us on here do? Jack, just because you'll never get a hot blonde, doesn't mean someone else kissing the cheek of one is scandalous. It's 2008, this isn;t 1961, nobody cares. Nobody, particularly on this sight where we're all generally high information intellectuals, aside from you who is clearly an ignorant wretch.
I'm wondering if all of this Bradley effect talk is being driven by the McCain campaign to say the race is closer than people think and we can still win, the Obama campaign to say the race is closer than people think and we can still lose, or the media?
shadowguidex said...
"Lucky guy, damn. I wish I had his charisma...and clearly Jack wishes he does also."
You don't get it Shadow, Jack isn't jealous of Obama, he is jealous of the girl getting kissed.
Oh Jack, you're such a moron.
You sure you aren't a Palin kid?
I just want to be fair. The fact is we learned from Clinton that we can't have the President getting serviced in the oval office without repercussions.
Obama needs to just say no. Turn the audacity of home into the audacity of NOPE.
watch - RCP will make room for in their polling for the latest USA/Gallup poll with an arbitrary averaging of the LV results near or at the top of their list
but they still have intentionally buried the new DCorps poll down the list below older polls from FAUX & Newsweek - why since they are supposed to be listed by most recent dates... hhhmmmm
and still no R2000 results
well it is their ball & they want to play the 'game' their own way or else...
"I'm wondering if all of this Bradley effect talk is being driven by the McCain campaign"
Nah, it's being driven the the MSM. The McCain campaign knows McCain is well behind, you can tell by all the strange tactics he's been using, and how quickly he moves from topic to topic furiously trying to find a meme that works. He knows he's screwed, and is hoping against hope that a miracle happens.
Last trade prices on Intrade for McCain contracts:
Colorado 18.0
Florida 34.5
Michigan 8.5
Missouri 45.0
Nevada 33.9
New hampshire 25.7
North Carolina 41.9
Ohio 30.0
Pennsylvania 11.0
Virginia 27.5
Wisconsin 11.0
Minnesota 15.0
Folks, i'm not making this up. Check it. These are not bids, these are last trades today. The makret as priced in a landslide.
We'll soon see if the Bradley effect is a lie, won't we.
If there is a Bradley effect it will show it's head in 22 days.
I am glad there is no Bradley effect. Whoever wins this election must do so with utmost legitimacy. If it is Obama there can be no question of the bona fides of his win and the forthrightness of his candidacy.
With McCain the stakes are higher. He must not be seen to have won riding on a wave of racism. McCain has been at pains to dissaociate himself from the rabid elements within his support, but he knows he cannot win without them. At the same time, the doubts McCain wishes to sew regarding Obama would not be percieved as racist if the candidate were white. So it rings false when Obama tries to portray any telling personal attacks against him as racist.
Obama has not exactly moved sure-footedly in terms of calming fears and legitimizing his victory. Despite the impact of Obama's massive overspend on paid media on his popularity, he has been slow to dissaociate himself from the
endemic voter fraud that clouds the picture as to how successful his registration drive was, as exemplified by Acorn.
One young black man was filmed on the news saying that he had filled out 73 registration forms. 73! If Obama's voter adevantage among new registrant African Americans is made of as such as this man, then he is in trouble!
Obama is likely to win. Who can argue against In trade? Rich speculators?
Should he win he had best govern by moderate populist means, giving broad swaths of the people benefits. He has discretion ot soak the rich. They will soak him in return. This will cause him to thread the needle to benefit those who support him (Hollywood, Warren Buffet, George Soros, Wall Street, the Housing Lenders) at the expense of those who don't (Gun Owners, the Wealthy, Religious Christians, Oil Companies, Insurance Companies). I am certain the people will hold Obama accountable. His contract with America is that he is smart, not in need of Affirmative Action. Capable and truthful.
Thanks to John McCain we know that Barack Obama is a "decent family man". I don't quite recall anyone saying that so piquantly all season. Face it, it was a better endorsement of Obama than Bill Clinton gave.
How magnamimous of McCain.
Doubt not this: John McCain will give his supporters positive reason to vote for him. He will not need a Bradley Effect to win.
Only good pollsters to figure out why he won; and good poll watchers to make sure the votes that count are only the ones that count.
Nah, it's obvious that Jack-be-retarded is jealous that he can't get a decent woman for himself.
Jack B---I never realized how pathetic you really are. You are a sorry excuse of a human being. Holed up probably in your mother's basement. So afraid that your little world is going to fall apart. Well guess what Jack--it is. There is going to be a black man in the White House. What are you going do?
@jack-be-limp
Wipe the Cheeto's off your chin, get out of your mommy's basement, help her carry the trash out, and take a shower to wash that greasy hair of yours.
Then, maybe then, I might let you lick my dog's ass. He has all his shots so he should be safe.
Regular Bloggers here, how do you manage your day such that, whatever the topic, regardless of the day you're here.
As I try to get here, I can't seem to get here as often as I would like with work, commuting, eating, family time, etc.
How do you do it. Is a BlackBerry necessary, a laptop with a Sprint Broadband card, or take a leave of absence.
I appreciate people noting the Harold Ford results. My question is:
a) What did the pre-election polls who about Obama for Senate '04 vs. actual results?
b) What did the pre-election polls who about D Patrick for Governor '06 vs. actual results?
c) What did the pre-election polls who about Ford for Senate '06 vs. actual results?
Although a statewide race is not exactly analogous to a presdiential election, they seem the most likely to tell us if the effest exists anymore - if it ever did.
"There is going to be a black man in the White House."
Not only will he be black..but he'll have earned more votes than anyone in the history of this nation, by far. Who would have thought that a black man could tally more votes than anyone...ever. We're 22 days from that reality. Feels good to be witnessing history, doesn't it?
Petekent:
First please don't copy and paste your posts.
Second, I don't think you get the Acorn situation.
"he has been slow to dissaociate himself from the endemic voter fraud that clouds the picture as to how successful his registration drive was, as exemplified by Acorn."
Acorn is the victim here. They paid people to register new voters. Some people just filled out a bunch of cards themselves in order to pad their totals. Acorn is the victim in this situation as they were defrauded. But this all has 0 impact on the actual election. These made up registration cards won't result in any ballots being cast. Now if they were actually registering people and then destroying some/all of the cards, that would be a story. This is basically like reporting a story about Walmart employee shoplifting from Walmart, but w/ even less relevance to you, because shoplifting causes prices to go up, this however has no effect.
"Regular Bloggers here, how do you manage your day such that, whatever the topic, regardless of the day you're here."
I come on here after dinner, while I'm watching the Hardball-Countdown-Maddow block on MSNBC. Tonight however, I watch Heroes then turn to Monday Night Football so I'll be off earlier than the other weeknights.
This is all well and good, but a black man in a general election for president, especially one being portrayed as a "muslim", is entirely unprecedented.
(and I just met this crazy bitch that thought he is muslim - she also hadn't even heard of Wright...)
Six Obama commercials in less than 45 minutes here in Florida. It's overkill bro, you've got my vote already...
People don't seem to realize that if someone fills out a registration as Daffy Duck you are required to submit it. ACORN submitted registrations and flagged many, though they were required by law to submit any filled out registration.
Well....got to watch Chuck at 8:99 PM then go downstairs to play NCAA Football 2009 and NBA 2k9 on my Xbox 360!
one$earned
it is Columbus Day holiday for some of us...
plus obsessive/compulsive personalities flock to this site
Nate is most likely O/C [with nerd tendencies] as I have found most statisticians/analysts to be at least borderline, so I can 'predict' those traits [lol]
plus Sean says he has a huge brain... not touching that one
Sean ? probably not so much - except maybe for poker games... he can bluff & read bluffs I would postulate
Did I scare off Jack-me-off? What's the matter lil buddy, too timid to post anymore? That's a common thread among conserva-trolls, they are incredibly weak-willed. they have no real fortitude when pressed, and they slump off to their cozy little lives focused on their grievances and seething hatreds instead of embracing the greater world around them. Don't worry Jack, you'll die eventually and you won't have to deal with reality anymore - again, let me stress the bullet in the brainstem. Thank you, come again. Douchebag.
Mac was a good 'friend' of ACORN btw
Is Lance Tarrance the same as Tarrance & Co. behind the curiously designed GWU/Battle Ground polls?
SHADOW
you sound like MASON taking on JACK the TROLL
careful what you ask for...
Regarding ACORN. In addition to ACORN being defrauded, the right likes to conveniently leave out that ACORN had no choice but to hand in those registration cards. If someone returns with voter registration cards, ACORN can't decide which ones to hand over the board of elections. THEY MUST HAND THEM ALL OVER.
It seems Obama's presumed registration advantage is vaporware -- overstated by perhaps as 73 to 1.
JOHN FORD
yes, the same Tarrance the Tool...
fwiw
Acorn is naturally innocent and McCain was bamboozled by the left to worship at their altar. You forget that they acrtually tried to stick bennies for Acorn into the bailout package.
Now they will have to find some other left wing organization to funnel their graft to.
President Obama can preside over it all!
Shadow---I don't think I will ever be prouder of our nation. Sad that it took so long---but so proud that Americans have been able to get beyond race. I remember talking about the possibility of something like this happening with an AA buddy in Nam. We talked at length about the seperation between races that looked at the time impossible to bridge. It's sad they I have never been able to locate him since then---would love to sit down with him over a beer--and talk about what is happening in our country today. It blows me away.
It's not that we don't need a black person for president it's that we don't need a liberal black person for president.
It is the liberal that is wrong not the black. I can name hundreds of black conservatives that would be preferalbe to Obama.
Btw, he is not African American in the truest sense of the word. He has no black American heritage at all. He has a white mom and a black dad from Africa. No Black American heritage here.
It is the black community that are judging him on the basis of his skin color. I have always said that the Dem party is a party of racialists.(look it up if you don't understand the meaning of the word you intellectuals)
here's the way to read these posts:
1. quickly scroll thru and click on the little orange collapse button for all the petekent and jackbe posts
2. read through with enjoyment at your leisure
"Regular Bloggers here, how do you manage your day such that, whatever the topic, regardless of the day you're here."
some of us work at home or work for ourselves ...
I 'predict' Nate is prepping the latest simulation run right now
and we will see the revised projections showing up real soon followed by a Polling Update thread around 8 PM perhaps ?
now that the RR releases are out AND the TB Rays are pounding Boston - what else would or Natester be doing tonight ???
unless he is still slowed down by that nasty head cold or got another cable gig like with Colbert or Olberman or some better offer....
Y'all got it wrong, the Bradley affect aint whites afraid to see they wont vote for a colored, its that coloreds are to day-um lazy to show up, day-ats why y'all gots to take the day-um ballots to they'alls well fare manchions...We'll see Nov 4th, day-uts the only Pole that matters
One$---I'm retired--and collecting unemployment--I am victim of Republican greed.
wow, now Cracker Jack is trying to argue that Obama is not genuinely BLACK enough
and he claims to know of hundreds of black conservatives !!!
OK, I will play
please name a dozen off the top of your head that are qualified to be POTUS...
such a pathetic tool prone to exageration & outright lies
And furthermore, re Tarrance: Who would step up and actually admit that his candidate won because of racism?
my friends...
The end of the financial crisis benefits McCain?
newsfromOH said...
....Today, she wants to hit McCain supporters with her cane. She's trying to plot how to deface one of her neighbor's McCain signs . . .not like she can make a speedy get-away.
Hahaha thanks so much for the giggle. This sounds just like all my family in FL (seniors included) and all voting Obama as well.
Woot!
Survey USA Oregon
M40
O57
SUSAS OR @ 57-40 is just sick #'s
and Merkley is now ahead of Smith
the tsunami is sweeping across the nation
WOW
All is right with the cosmos---Real Joe is back
Great column. See Link Below
Makes me think that the media had better ratchet it up and get the questions Mr. Balz asks, answered. Bob Shiefer had better get this right in the debate. Let's see how Obama really thinks on his feet. It is despairingly obvious that he hasn't had an original thought all campaign, now is hardly the time for on the job training.
This is not a Hollywood Audition. We are picking a President not an underwear model.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/13/questioning_obama.html
Nate Silver wrote: "But now Lance Tarrance, the pollster for Bradley in that race, has an article up at RCP suggesting that the Bradley Effect was merely a case of bad polling..."
You are mistaken, here, Nate. Tarrance was not Bradley's pollster; he worked for George Deukmejian. This is what he wrote on RCP:
"For example, the daily Tarrance and Associates tracking polls for the Deukmejian campaign showed the following weekly summations (N=1000 each) during the month of October:
Of course, Tarrance is right. The Bradley Effect has been greatly overstated for 25 years.
Darío said...
"The end of the financial crisis benefits McCain?"
If this were truly the end of the financial crisis, I might even accept a McCain presidency, but this is not even the end of the beginning of it, let alone the beginning of the end of it.
RICH it never existed in CA
@ nam vet joe from jersey...
lol,
I visit the site at least three times a day
Early AM (CST)
Mid Afternoon at work
Around this time in the evening. As I read the posts, there are some regulars as yourself that have posted to virtually every topic, regardless of the time of day.
Congrats on being a Nam Vet, and I salute you. ^5.
Republican greed will not die because of this election unfortunately.
As long as the checks keep coming.
Don't you love those who post like "He"? claiming to be something he isn't... military in Iraq...
doofus... they don't speak "Muslim" stupid. If you were anything but a poseur, you'd know that.
pathetic.
Whoa... catchin up on all the posts and I must say:
Hell hath no fury like a shadowguidex scorned!
You are on a fiery roll tonight.
"It's not that we don't need a black person for president it's that we don't need a liberal black person for president."
Damn right he's a liberal, that's why he's soaring to victory! More Americans than any election in history will vote for this liberal, and he'll be able to clean up the bullshit your fucking AWFUL president George Junior did to this nation the last 8 years. His was a disgraceful presidency, and we all know it. The only people who still cling to approval of Bush are people who only care about social issues, and social issues are the dumbest shit ever to actually cast your vote for - since they never ever ever ever change - social issues voters are just tools for both sides.
vanessa said...
Survey USA Oregon
M40
O57
Sen: Merkley (D) 46, Smith (R-i) 41
(9/24: Merkley 44, Smith 42)
Republican Senate seat will go Dem
Barack Obama will get a short honeymoon with African Americans; his longest will be with Jewish Americans.
"Hell hath no fury like a shadowguidex scorned!"
I hate ignorance. His is not even a conservative bias, just an ignorant bias.
Updated numbers!
94.9% (NEW RECORD).
52.1-46.1 (Obama +6) (DITTO)
359.8-178.2 (DITTO)
Pete Kent: Non discriminating bigot.
He said...
As a Marine officer who is currently serving as a combat sniper (Special Ops) in Bagdad, Iraq, I do not want a Muslim terrorist president.
If Hussein Obama is elected, we will all be speaking Muslim = and our school childrens will be forced to salute the Communist flag, and also they will learn muslim practices and how to be homosexual and be anti-Christian.
WHAT A FAKE!!!! Speak "Muslim"???
I've never even been to the middle east and have enough sense to know that no one speaks "muslim" over there, a-hole....
Hey, it must be John McCain, reliving his glory days... oh, wait... he never did anything but crash a few jets... and tell the enemy everything.
Isn't it funny how McCain's OK with using torture at Guantanamo to get "the truth" and confessions from so-called "terrorists" but doesn't see his own "confession" under torture (he says) as the same....
TRAITOR. Your whole life is fake, like Cindy's face.
@ He
As a Blue Star mom whose Marine Devil Dog son is currently serving in Iraq, I'm voting for Barack Not-A-Terrorist Obama. *Because* I care about the troops. So's my son. So is most of his battery.
and indiana is blue!!!
I can't wait to be on this site on Nov 4th. It is going to be a 2 bottles of wine night.
just disregard H, who's obviously impersonating a troll.
Can't be too proud of America voting in a black man. America has lagged behind the rest of the developed world in race relations, last to end slavery, last to grant equal voting rights. All this proves is that now ~55% of Americans seem to be willing to vote in a black man who is ten times the candidate that the white man is. If McCain was as good as Obama is I doubt Obama would have a chance. Of the ~45% of American unwilling to vote for the clearly better candidate at least some are basing this on race.
No, I don't think America should pat itself on the back for being post-racial divide until it has eliminated the horrible chasm in health and education outcomes between the races.
@shadow
Of course. I agree.
I like the gigantic can of whoop ass being opened.
Update guys... wow, things are looking good for Obama
chances of landslide at 53%
Love you Kathy and your son and his battery.
Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...
"I can't wait to be on this site on Nov 4th. It is going to be a 2 bottles of wine night."
1 box is cheaper than 2 bottles.
IF Obama has a double digit lead in Pennsylvania, one may wonder why they are spending so much time there? Of course, they have to spend some time there, but they seem to be spending most of their time there, rather in other states that are up for grabs, like Florida? Are their internal polls showing it's closer than what we think it is? The fact McCain is throwing in so much money into a state that seemingly has a double digit deficit for him would also seem to suggest it may be closer than we think.
IN is blue now and WV is light pink again!!
Win % is at 94.9 now!!!!
And barely and red spikes on the electoral vote distro!!
Yeee freakin haw!
Ouch!! Nice:
Olberman: "Why doesn't McCain have the STONES to just say what he believes about the Ayers issue."
I agree with Keith, McCain has a serious BALLS deficit he needs to fix before he tries to fix any other deficits.
Akoolromeo said...
"The fact McCain is throwing in so much money into a state that seemingly has a double digit deficit for him would also seem to suggest it may be closer than we think."
You are assuming there is a method to the madness of the McCain campaign when every indication is that there is none.
Is Keith Olberman, fair and balance?
Pac-Man says "CHOMP"!
My guess is Obama spends resources in PA to:
1) Headfake McCain into wasting the same
2) Making 100% sure they get the largest Kerry state in which there is even a small amount of doubt.
If Obama holds on to the 264 Kerry/NM/Iowa). almost impossible for him to lose - so why not keep PA in their sights?
Having said that - they might not be back anymore in the last three weeks.
There's almost no red left on the Electoral Vote Distribution chart!
Hurn--my wife makes too much money for me to drink wine from a box.
If Obama has a double digit lead in PA, he can win Ohio easily.
The rural areas of PA are conservatives like Ohio.
"Is Keith Olberman, fair and balance?"
Hell no. He's 100% behind Obama. Screw fair and balanced - reality has a liberal bias...just look at the last 8 years compared to the 8 before them.
This BS nonsense that every single issue needs to be counterweighted by some wingnut opinion on the other side is just ridiculous.
No he is not One$ but a blast to watch.
Olberman is certainly skilled in his presentation and/or his research staff is equally skilled at providing the stories and supporting arguments to support his point of view.
He brings bias, but it is extremely well presented and supported.
New stats and %% on site. Update coming soon.
Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...
I can't wait to be on this site on Nov 4th. It is going to be a 2 bottles of wine night.
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And that would be different how?
;-)
I have posted this issue earlier and people seem to brush it off saying i am being too delusional.
Let me reiterate it again, there is a massive storm brewing up in philly court due to a lawsuit
filled by Mr. Berg and by no means it will go away. It is about BO's birth cert credentials and
it sounds authentic to me. Mr. Berg has vowed it would take the case to supreme court to stop the
electoral college count if it warrants. Infact right wingers are comparing this episode to john
edward's famous 'tabloid trash'. I am still wondering why doesnt BO campaign get over it by
submitting a valid cert rather seeking to dismiss the case which may lead to constitutonal crisis.
How many of you are aware of this ??? any thoughts all suggestions welcome.
Michael Barone gives you a razzie!
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/13/the-coming-thugocracy/print/
The NY Times is a fair and balanced as I get.
That $39 million dollar FL strategy is paying off.
Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...
"Hurn--my wife makes too much money for me to drink wine from a box."
Boxed wine is actually very good for wine that you aren't going to drink all at once, since the bag prevents air touching the wine.
But then again after a few glasses, expensive cheap, all the same.
Florida is now leaning Obama in RCP.
prathap,
my understanding is that they already submitted a valid birth certificate
@jack-be-nimble, although you may be correct, I don't get why. The Dow Jones is not the economy.
Being able to pay your mortage, for gas, get a car loan, get a mortgage, get a small business loan - those things are the economy.
So, I don't think McCain not addressing those things while the Dow rises does him much good. Most especially when his opponent, just today, came out with even more spefics as to how he'd address the problems at hand that are really hitting people where they hurt.
As always, I may be wrong.
Real---was a 1/2 bottle tonight. Other 1/2 for the wife when she gets home.
There are currently 21 polls out today according to RCP.
19 are blue, 1 is a tie (NC) and one is red (M+8 in GA).
Tightening polls??? Tightening around McCain's neck.
One$Earned said...
"He brings bias, but it is extremely well presented and supported."
I can live with bias, because he tends to be more consistent than many conservative commentators. He doesn't lie or make excuses for the left just because he agrees with them politically. Fox will say 1+1=3 if that is the prevailing story of the day about conservatives.
Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...
Real---was a 1/2 bottle tonight. Other 1/2 for the wife when she gets home.
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Oh 2 for you only on Nov 4th and 2 for the wife. I get it.
DCM in FL: I would hardly call Feinstein "gay friendly." If she were, why did it take her so long to come out against Prop. 8?
She also threw gays under the bus after she blamed them for Bush's election victory.
Feinstein finally came out against Prop 8 (Const. Amendment to ban SS marriage in CA), but it was long after Boxer and the Gropenator had done it. It would be political suicide for a Democrat to come out in favor of it, but Feinstein still dragged her feet on it.
Feinstein is essentially a DINO. She's too conservative for California. She practically got censured on her FISA vote and on Mukasey. She's pro business and pro war because it benefits her husband's business interests.
Aunt Karen---you aint been wrong yet.
Updated numbers are posted!
campbell brown finally said what I've been waiting for someone in the media to say
since when did saying muslim or arab become a slur that bears weight??
Why do people care and why are we letting people accept it as a negative?!?!
I commend her for calling it out, something I don't hear enough of in the media
Does anyone know when the Senate numbers are run? Last 4 MN polls according to RCP were Franken +9, Franken +6, Franken +4 and Coleman +10. This race has to be tilts Dem now.
Shadowguidex,
You could give Richard Lewis a run for his money tonight. RFLMAO! McCain needs to fix his balls deficit...
prathap: the Obama birth-certificate "issue" was a right-wing fake started by Corsi. The birth-certificate has been confirmed as valid by the Hawaii Department of Health, has been viewed by an independent fact-verifying organisation and is posted up on www.fightthesmears.com for anyone to view.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200808150001
Regarding Keith Overbite: It's not that he is off the charts left winger, it is that he is a total asshole. His staff can't even stand him.
Compare that with Rachel Maddow. She is off the charts liberal as well, but I can tune her in for a few minutes, because she seems decent at times.
How open minded of you Jack.
How do repubs transform after this election?
Or... do they get even MORE absurdly corrupt?
mc9cain sidenote: Richard Lewis is about to be on MSNBC. Funny.
Jack-be-nimble said...
"says something"
you talk as if people care what you think. leave troll.
I take back my harsh words.
Oh, come on! It's the Hollywood effect. It wasn't until the 1990s that we had a black President in the White House -- Morgan Freedman in "Deep Impact", and he was a marvelous example of a President in a tough situation. And then you had the black President in the first season of "24" -- he was so acceptable as a President that he is now the frontman for an INSURANCE company! There is no Bradley Effect -- but there will be a reverse-Bradley Effect as millions of Americans who wouldn't dare tell their spouses or friends that they are voting Democrat are actually going to go into the polling booth and pull the lever for Obama!
Alyssa said...
"How do repubs transform after this election?"
I still think Huckabee would be the best route for them to go. Social conservatism along with economic populism is there chance to become relevant again.
jack-be-nimble,
So sorry you can't jump any better than you can type. Did you get the candle out yet?
shadowguidex said...
"Is Keith Olberman, fair and balance?"
This BS nonsense that every single issue needs to be counterweighted by some wingnut opinion on the other side is just ridiculous.
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Shadow,
You nailed that to the wall.
Somewhere, along the way "fair and balanced" became to mean "equal time to reality and batshit crazy."
The tarrance article does not disprove the Bradley effect. Tarrance's whole argument is premised on his own INTERNAL polls during the campaign but studies of the Bradley effect are premised on discrepancies between public polls (like the Field poll) and final results.
Moreover, the biggest Bradley effect ever observed was in Wilder's race for Governor of VA (a 14-point effect) that Tarrance had nothing to do with and does not address.
Besides the lying to pollstrs phenom called the Bradley effect, there is a bigger reason the polls may be off this year -- a Gallup pollster on radio last week said that a staggering 80% of all persons reached by phone are refusing to participate right now. As articles in the NYT and WaPo this weekend said, the persons who refuse to participate are more likely to be anti-black than people who willingly participate in polls.
James Earl Jones actually played a black president in the 1972 movie "The Man".
"Regarding Keith Overbite: It's not that he is off the charts left winger, it is that he is a total asshole. His staff can't even stand him."
Yeah, compared to O'Riley, Limbaugh, and Hannity who are the right's version of him but without the ability to logic. Those cretons just scream charisma.
Hey Hannity - for someone who constantly accuses others of being elitists and uppity, you forgot - you grew up in the Hamptons you silver-spoon having piece of shit! You're the definition of Elitist, you anal-secretion!
"It's not that we don't need a black person for president it's that we don't need a liberal black person for president."
What'cha talkin' about "we", kemo sabe?
Jack-be-nimble said...
Regarding Keith Overbite: It's not that he is off the charts left winger, it is that he is a total asshole. His staff can't even stand him.
Compare that with Rachel Maddow. She is off the charts liberal as well, but I can tune her in for a few minutes, because she seems decent at times.
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Jack-be-off,
Put it back in your pants. Sorry to ruin your fantasy, she's a very happy lesbian.
"As articles in the NYT and WaPo this weekend said, the persons who refuse to participate are more likely to be anti-black than people who willingly participate in polls."
If these people are refusing to participate, how could you possibly draw any conclusions about what kind of people they are?
LMAO Charles
Charles Crook said...
"It's not that we don't need a black person for president it's that we don't need a liberal black person for president."
What'cha talkin' about "we", kemo sabe?
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He's talking about himself and his imaginary girlfriend, Rosie Palm.
OK let's back on topic--"Bradley Effect"---talk amongst yourselfs.
I hate that elitist shit that the talking heads throw around. All of them make millions every year and live in the bluest cities and the bluest states: New York, L.A., D.C. And I'm sure they all have vacation homes in Europe and on remote tropical islands. These people wouldn't be caught dead living in the middle of nowhere in Nebraska or Ohio or wherever. But they sure know how to stir up the hate.
mrinsight22-
Are you a cheerleader? You certainly do cheerlead the hopes of the loony right hoping that the Bradley Effect is anything but a poorly defined method of explain bad polling methodology.
Grow up, accept the quantitative objectivity of mathematics, and stop masturbating all over the wiki entry of the Bradley Effect. It won't put that damn-near-dead "hero" in the White House....It's kinda weird when _not dying_ in your third jet crash somehow makes you a hero.
Oh my; the trolls on this site are becoming more and more hilarious.
Shap wins for troll of the night so far. That was epic.
@tomthress
Because of the "enthusiasm factor" is what I've read/heard. I'm not sure you can accurately draw that conclusion however.
charles crook,
Jack be nimble says "we" because he's counting his very little friend Mr. Happy.
Most of the people who talk about the mean elitists probably barely passed highschool (see Hannity, Glenn Beck, etc.). Until they need an elite doctor, elite lawyer, etc. It's an inferiority complex.
Most white people today don't want to have anything to do with racism. They want to move on. Those who are still stuck in that mindset seem increasingly out-dated.
Are there any new polls from Utah?
"But they sure know how to stir up the hate."
Only because it keeps them happily employed and their pockets fat.
I'd love to see a reality show with Hannity for 6 months in a slum.
Richard Lewis is so funny.
We hardly know, but recent media and other anecdotal reports seem to show that a lot of white voters who would have been unlikely to vote for a black presidential candidate now not only are willing to, but are pleased with themselves for doing it.
This is another aspect of the reverse-Bradley effect that we might be seeing.
Assuming Obama is a half-way successful president, the seismic shift in this country could be amazing.
Andy js: But there's always got to be an "other." It's become politically (or socially, whatever) more appropriate to hate Muslims, Arabs, or the more umbrella catch-all, "terrorists."
America is the land of "we have to hate somebody or something." Communism, socialism, liberals, blacks, Jews, immigrants (oh, but only if they are "illegal!"), Muslims, terrorists. Take your pick. Russia now joins the hate bandwagon since the South Ossetia dust-up. Iran's been on the list for a while.
Get your daily other!! There's usually an other du jour depending on the political climate, whoever is running for political office, or the talking point issue of the day.
Much reason to poll Utah?
Richard Lewis:
"A moose pot pie!!"
HAHAHAHAAA
Nam Vet Joe From Jersey said...
Are there any new polls from Utah?
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JackbeNimble and Petey could use a boost. We should take up a collection to get some polling out of UT, ID and WY so there could be some red entries on RCP.
"I'd love to see a reality show with Hannity for 6 months in a slum."
CBS: "Survival Leeds"
"A moose pot pie!!"
hahahaha
Though Obama did great at Harvard Law School, there is no evidence for the claim above that Obama got into HLS on his own merits (and some evidence he used an Arab connection named Khalidi (see YouTube) and/or affirmative action to get in).
Barack has refused to release not only his SAT scores (that Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and Dubya released), but also his LSAT score and his undergrad transcripts at Occidental and Columbia.
In a 1991 letter to the Harvard Law Record school paper advocating more minority hiring, Barack wrote that he had undoubtedly benefitted from affirmative action in his academic career.
Barack never published a scholarly article under his own name and only practised law (in which he had ACORN as a client) for about 3 years before entering politics.
Michelle admitted to Newsweek that she got into HLS via affirmative action. She did not pass the July 1988 Illinois bar exam, but did pass in 1989. She only practised law until the early 1990's.
It amazes me that any company polls Utah at all, since it's a bit of a waste of money. There have been one or two polls there, I think.
The ironic potential of polling Utah might be worth it.
Imagine if the pollsters were in pairs, with matching attire, on bicycles.
@charles
Nice. Ask and ye shall receive. The interwebs are amazing.
I'll look into it. Thanks.
I agree; good post, Nate.
www.approximatingpoliticaltruth.com
I have been thinking. Around February, around the time of the Wright explosion, pundits argued every minute race becomes an issue in this race, Obama looses.
I wonder if this is still the issue.
New poll thread!! WOO HOO at all the blue!
New Thread with LOTS OF POLLS!!!!
I agree with Donna Brazile (Gore's campaign manager who is black) that there will be a nationwide Bradley effect of about 3%. I am not rooting for it, just stating what I objectively expect to happen -- especially in the states of VA (site of the 14-point Wilder effect in 1989), NC, FL, OH, and PA (though Barack leads there so much it won't matter).
Thr real potential problem for Barack will not be people who lie to pollsters but the 40% to 80% of persons reached by phone who now refuse to participate in polls at all. Of course, if the final polls say Barack leads by 9 points that will not matter. But if the final polls have Barack up by 3 points, it sure could.
Utah is RED, RED, RED. No polling is needed.
The Church, for all intensive purposes controls the voting block.
The "Church" will not support some, if not any of the Democratic platform, eg. Roe v. Wade.
So regardless of race or name sake Utah will not be BLUE. Those 5 EV will not turn BLUE.
mrinsight22-
You missed the part where Obama has stated that his daughters should NOT benefit from affirmative action.
He has said that affirmative action should become class-based, which I agree with.
It's sometimes easy to forget that most voters are actually younger than Obama, which means the race issue isn't as big as some people expected it to be. He'll be 50 in two and a half years time. The average voter age is about 43.
@andy js....
I'll be 50 in 6 mo.
Nate,
I think you missed one reason for a decreased/no longer existent Bradley effect (though I didn't read all the comments to see if someone brought this up already): a larger proportion of the electorate belongs to a racial minority. I have no idea how racial biases of, for example, Latinos should be expected to play out in this election, but there certainly are many, many more of them than in 1980.
Those of you wondering what happened with Rachel Maddow in the comments above can see here:
http://bluebelle.typepad.com/blog/2008/10/rachel-pwns-david-frum-with-video-goodness.html
@Prathap:
Berg's stuff is crap. Try one of the fact checking sites. I know either Factcheck.org or Politifact.com has a complete write up on teh general issue.
CNN.com's lead story right now:
Will Obama suffer from the 'Bradley effect?'
Hey, Nate, since this thread has been buried by others now, I would like to make a (possibly annoying) plea for the use of more specific language than "racism." Most of your discussion is about racial prejudice -- individuals holding erroneous beliefs or opinions about a race of people, and racial discrimination -- individuals treating members of one race differently from members of another race. What people mean by the word "racism" is harder to understand than these relatively straightforward and accepted terms (though my definitions could surely be improved upon.) Using these distinct terms may also help you in your discussion because the two phenomena can occur independently.
OK, then. Sociology class is over.
So when does the Bradley effect, if it exists, start? What if people start to change their leaning, even in polls, as the election nears? This did happen with Bradley.
the questin i've asked in a couple of places is:
what were obama senate '04, d patrick for gov '06, and ford for senate '06's election day performances vs. their pre-election polling. while that data is not sufficient to prove anything, it still seems a lot more predictive than governor's races from the 1980s.
does anyone have that info?
Does anyone have any suggestions for Betting sites.
I want to bet on Between 2010 and 2011 for the 'Entitlement Emplosion Crash'?
Any links?
I know that people here are sick of talking about the Bradley Effect, but I am a young political science student and having just learned about the Bradley Effect, am fascinated by it.
As an intern for the Obama campaign in North Carolina I spend a lot of time talking to undecided voters about their concerns regarding Obama. I have found that more often than not, especially among older white voters and young white men, they do not have specific problems with Obama (though some do), but rather think that "there is just something about him", or who “simply don't trust him”. I don't doubt that for some of the people I have spoken to there are specific concerns they have about Obama, but often they make it quite clear that the reason they don't trust him, or the thing they don't like about him is that he is a person of color. Though none of these people have committed to voting for Obama, and are therefore not evidence one way or the other in terms of the debate over the Bradley Effect, most of these people are registered Democrats or unaffiliated voters who have voted consistently for Democrats, yet who are fearful of voting for a person of color. So even though I am just beginning to learn about the Bradley Effect, based on my limited experiences working on this campaign and in looking at the nature of race in this election, it is hard for me to believe that the Bradley Effect doesn’t matter. It will certainly be interesting to see how polls taken before voting compare to exit polls and if there is such a thing as the Bradley Effect in this election.
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