Not that you haven't heard the news, but...![]()
My predisposition is to be skeptical of the value of endorsements in presidential general elections. Endorsements generally serve as an informational shortcut for voters, and therefore their importance tends to be inversely proportional to the stature of the contest involved. When you're voting for Dog Commissioner, and you have no information about the candidates, you might well go with whomever your local paper decides to endorse. In a race like Obama-McCain, on the other hand, you already have all the information you could ever want, and probably have established a fairly strong preference for yourself.
With that said, Powell has approval ratings as high as just about any public figure in America. His endorsement was eloquent, unequivocal, and because of his role in the Bush Administration, genuinely newsworthy. Powell's endorsement might play especially well among the defense and military communities in Northern Virginia, which just so happens to be perhaps the most important swing region in the election.
And it comes at an opportune time in the news cycle, with the McCain campaign having just started to feel as though it had refound its center of gravity. Between this and Obama's $150 million fundraising haul, however, the sense of inevitability may creep in again. Contrary to some observers, I think that there is far more downside to the Republicans in resignation, fatalism and low morale than there is to the Democrats in complacency.
10.19.2008
General Powell Endorses Obama
by Nate Silver @ 1:36 PM...see also endorsements
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@clarkejeffery Also, the campaigns spend money on "national" ads. If it a broadcast of sports, national news, primetime, ads from both camps can show anywhere in the country.
Can you compile a chronological list of labels that the McCain Campaign created for Obama?
So far I had these:
Black
Not Trustworthy
Celebrity
Inexperienced
Messiant
Muslim
Unknown
Terrorist
Arab
Communist
Anti-American
Socialist
Easy there, matt w.
Are you aware that economists in the 19th century were certain that the end was near because the world population was outpacing the production of food? It's a matter of shifting resources and methodologies. Theer is still hope. But hold on tight, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
Rush is a fat-assed, unintelligent, hypocritical, drug-addicted coward.
It is his type and the people that listen to him that allowed our country to fall so far, so fast.
Rush(and Hannity, and O'Reilly, and Beck, and ...), and his listeners should be marginalized because they have nothing constructive to offer.
Bush's bailout is socialist, Obama's tax plan is not.
Socialism is an economic system where the government owns the means of production. It has nothing to do with redistribution of wealth through taxes. All so-called capitalist (private ownership of means of production) countries include some socialism and some redistribution, every single one. The only question is what is the right mix. Just throwing around the S word or the R word is meaningless soundbite politics
@matt w
You are right about the media market. My sister lives in southern NH (but on the Seacoast) and also shares this market. On a very positive note, when I spoke to her yesterday, she said it's not even close where she is.
Fred's Shorts said...
Can you compile a chronological list of labels that the McCain Campaign created for Obama?
THAT ONE
Boston exurbs in NH. mcbush thinks he has a chance there. Not.
How about adding:
SCARY
bama,
Of course I am aware of the one economist who was concerned about Population and food, T. Malthus. He was by the way fundamentally right, but failed to adequately account for increases in efficiency. His is yet another problem that we have postponed right up until the present moment.
I know, I know, every generation...yada yada.
matt w--my first thought was Obama is such a classy unflappable guy. My second thought--more proof that mcCain and Palin continue to stir stuff up, isn't it curious that she can say he is a socialist and a muslim? those two do not go together. incredible.
markymark,
I agree about the ugliness. It shows the divisions though and might impact his mandate
WTF? They have shown McCain consistently winning the youngest voters. Something must be wrong with their sample.
They only poll undergrads at Liberty university.
Increases in efficiency has an upper bound and I think that we are getting close to it.
When inputs are scarce, efficiency only gets you so far. The economy needs to fundamentally shift.
Make no mistake, Obama planned weeks (or months) ago to dominate today's news with Powell. The only flaw in the plan was that the $150 million shocker came out too. So he had to go with that very early on today to leave the rest of the day to Powell.
Americans don't necessarily grasp it easily, but yes, there are Muslims who are socialist.
The Algerian government after leaving France for one was socialist as I recall. There are certainly British Muslim socialists. I'm sure others can come up with plenty of examples.
matt w...
I just wanted you to calm down. It's not going to be easy. But a RELATIVELY good outcome is possible. And with a few scientific breakthroughs we could easily be on our way. Not a lot of R&D money has been thrown at it yet. Let's see what happens over the next 3 years.
lat,
I agree that Obama is classy and unflappable. It is really an incredible trait of his. I think I would lose it with those people saying such ignorant things to my face!
Actually I think that the world's economy is saveable. The key word needs to be sustainability though. Part of the problem with stalling on renewable resources is that it has meant that when we get round to it we have a lot more pressure on us. But it needs to be done.
We need to find a way to make not just energy more sustainable but also capital. Simply building up debt and ignoring it is not sustainable. And not just capital and energy but diplomacy. Simply just heading off to war when you want is not sustainable. Obama's point about being prepared to talk to anyone who will listen is important. Its cheaper to find a diplomatic solution to most problems than fighting a war, and its more ethical usually as well.
On the energy thing. There's a ton of stuff to work on. Ethanol doesn't appear to be a good solution (it's killing fish in the Gulf of Mexico, exchanging one environmental problem for another).
Maybe read about the Pickens Plan. I don't buy into it, but what I do buy into is there are a lot of people out there that are smarter than I am who can address the issue.
So, no, maybe Joe Six Pack won't be working on the Alaska Pipeline, but Joe PHD can be working on addressing other solutions.
There's no reason it has to be all one thing. Why not some combo, including Natural Gas (which is where the Pickens Plan advocates we move in the short term). Personally, I live within five miles of an LNG receiving plant - when the boats come by here the air escort is unbelievable. I figure I'll be toast if one of them either goes up in smoke from a mechanical dysfunction or a terrorist attack. That doesn't mean it's a bad short term solution.
I'm not sure that tilting at windmills is correct, either, but I am sure there is something that we can put our minds to, and solve.
matt w--here being a pest about that politico article. on second read it was actually rather inspiring. thanks for sharing that.
Hardball on right now - special Sunday edition, talking Powell of course.
The McCain campaign refused to provide a spokesman.
Speaks volumes...
David,
exactly. too often people think we will be able to increase efficiency forever. But it is a ration of input to output and cannot increase beyond 100%. There is also a diminishing returns problem as we get close.
Bama,
I am calm. I am happy that Obama is looking strong. I am hopefull for the future. We need to be aware of what we are up against though. It is not likely going to be an easy or glory filled first term
aunt karen
I kindof like t. boone's plan. Despise him, but give the plan a thumbs up. Let CA and FL decide what to do about offshore. It's their coast. But the rest is doable. Nuclear is not so terrible, but OOOOOOOH so expensive. Other biofuel options are more likely. Many things in the works that have great possibilities in that area.
423rd!
Lat,
Yeah, your comments helped me to see it in a better way. He is a pretty amazing politician
"Nuclear is not so terrible, but OOOOOOOH so expensive."
I cordially invite you to move next to the Hanford Nuclear Reservation here in Washington State.
Also, let's force Detroit to retool for the new economy. After the govt buys them out next year that can be done.
Some starts to the environmental stuff are simple. One mandate that any new house is built with solar panels. Two invest in wind power especially, but large scale solar and water power as well. Three invest in nuclear development, but hold off on backling nuclear energy for a bit. (Scientist friends tell me we are not too far away from a significant step forward in safety and cost). Make renewable energies a growth market.
Now transport is a tad trickier, but also encourage the big automobile companies to invest in alternative energy development. I think that the big car companies are intelligent enough to realise that finding a decent green alternative to power a car is a money maker. (And boy could Michigan do with that!)
matt w--my head would have exploded and I would have lost it (once in a classroom a student started talking about the ayers thing and I really lost it, that has never happened to me)
David, I don't love it but am willing to keep an open mind. PS, don't build a house close by.
markymark,
I agree that sustainability needs to be a goal. the big problem with that is that our economy is built on growth. Sustainable growth is an oxymoron unless you are in an unbounded system. The only thing that can grow sustainably is the Universe
candidates are receiving historic endorsements:
Plb. Joseph Wurzelbacher
and
Gen. Colin Powell
Tracking Polls will tell which counts most.
Nuclear is not portable
lat,
you are an educator! at what level?
These are the kinds of discussions that are useful for the coming generations. And have you noticed how the trolls have floated away?
bamaObama said...
Also, let's force Detroit to retool for the new economy. After the govt buys them out next year that can be done.
Bama,
Socialism may not be the solution to everything!
I love this place when the trolls go away!
439th?
matt w
No, I don't mean that we simply take over Detroit. But soon the only way we will be able to sustain the big3 is a direct injection of capital, ala the same method being used with the banks. Only this time with voting rights on their boards.
If this country makes the wrong choice, it will set us back really, really far. This is the most no-brainer election of my lifetime and if somehow this country makes the wrong choice the onyy reasonabe explanation is we're a bassackwards stupid country. I really hope it doesn't happen. I'd love to have faith.
Guys, based on recent history, ABC's poll will come out at midnight tonight. That's when they do their poll releases; 12:01 AM on Monday.
Eric...
keep the faith.
It's over.
BUT.........GOTV!
with all the news over the Powell endorsement, has anyone seen this?
http://naomiwolf.org/2008/10/09/thousands-of-troops-are-deployed-on-us-streets-ready-to-carry-out-crowd-control/
bama,
yeah, that is socialism.
I believe in socialized banking, healthcare, education, highways, water and sewage systems, etc. I am not so sure I am a fan of Socialized automobile manufacturing.
"bamaObama said...
aunt karen
I kindof like t. boone's plan. Despise him, but give the plan a thumbs up. Let CA and FL decide what to do about offshore. It's their coast. But the rest is doable. Nuclear is not so terrible, but OOOOOOOH so expensive. Other biofuel options are more likely. Many things in the works that have great possibilities in that area."
See, this is my point. Why not put some good minds to work on the first part, evolving some solutions, then put some good people to work on whatever it takes to enact them?
That's long term new jobs for a lot of people!
I bet a lot of younger posters here don't quite focus on this, but Eisenhower, as President, did this country the great service of creating the National Highway System (yeah, so he did us the disserice of giving us Ick Nixon, but hey). It's things like this that get folks back to work, en masse. I'm not just talking about the labor portions - it takes a lot of brain power to come up with this type of plan. It takes a lot of adminstrative power to see it through. And it takes a lot of strength to just get it done.
On the opening up of Medicare. Hrm, I dunno. Medicaid might be better. As you all know by now, I'm 58 and disabled. I am on Medicare, for which I pay each month (but sort of minimal - $82). Because I had a well paying job when I was working, I am not eligible for Medicaid in MA (thank you, Mitt Romney!, I had been eligible prior to his administration). BTW, I do pay taxes on my disability, at the regular rate, so anyone that thinks it's a handout, it's not.
It's after 5. Time to start drinking!
For the record I am not a socialist, at least in total. I think that private companies are often the best things for innovation. (not uniquely mind!) But car companies should not be nationalised. Profit is not wholly bad, accept where it gets in the way of the main goal (as in health care in the US right now.)
I think in a sense the lack of change in western economies in the last 40 or 50 yuears (save for the technical revolution) may turn out to be a good thing right now. In the long run we can jump ahead of the newer economies on renewable/sustainable production right now.
mattw---well I would call myself more of an entertainer since that is what we seem to be in front of the classroom. I teach grad school.
Matt w
it's either that or NO auto industry. It's that simple. The gov will have to step in in some form. And we might as well have some position as no position.
Three invest in nuclear development, but hold off on backling nuclear energy for a bit. (Scientist friends tell me we are not too far away from a significant step forward in safety and cost)
Actually the new 'pebble' nuclear reactors are quite safe, if something happen they just don't work rather than have meltdowns. And there are several new designs that work with plutonium and we have lots of that already refined.
The issue is waste disposal. A large fraction of France's nuclear industry cost is the mounting storage problem of the waste. They have been exploring 'geological' disposal as the ultimate solution for years but seem no closer to it. If we could figure out a way to just inject the waste below the continental crust it would be problem solved - by the time it ever recycled back to the surface it would be decayed into inert materials.
Also keep in mind the monumental nature of the task, the French have over 50 reactors and their total annual power production is equivalent to about a month of the US energy needs. If they are having waste disposal issues multiply that times 12 and realize why nuclear deserves being looked at but cautiously.
Interestingly if we could develop the tech inject waste like that we would also have the tech for effectively infinite geothermal power production too.
This site rules. I don't know what I'm going to do all my free time in a few weeks. Does anything think Obama could/would use pieces of Powell's endorsement in ads?
the media is amazing. on CNN, they are now looking at the fundraising number and bringing up the issue of Obama not taking public money for the campaign.
Instead of marveling at Obama's reach and appeal, they use it as an opportunity to criticize him. But somehow they are ignoring the fact that McCain himself broke campaign finance laws in the primaries.
Why am I not surprised.
Aunt Karen,
The interstate highway system is pretty cool and did create a lot of jobs, but it cemented our dependence on portable forms of energy (gas) and largely eliminated trains which can use less portable forms of energy including electricity.
"Now Americans have a new, compelling mental image of who supports, influences and "pals around" with Barack Obama: General of the Army, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and Secretary of State Colin Powell."
Just saw this on http://www.politico.com/arena/
"I've known John McCain for twenty-five years. John McCain is a friend of mine. I don't endorse him."
Lat,
If that is true you are better than most of my profs... I am a grad student myself
But Obama hasn't broken any financing rules. He may have hoodwinked McCain a bit, but he has found an astonishing way to fund a political campaign. I bet CNN aren't mentioning that the average donation to Obama's campaign in September was $85. Maybe money really is free speech in the end.
Map updated, today's polls not yet written
anyone know when we'll be getting more polls in indiana, PPP will release one on wednesday but its been way underpolled
Also, PPP just dropped a hint about tomorrows NC poll that obama continues to hold a lead there
anon
OUCH!
peixegato--I think that they just want to tarnish everything as much as possible simply to keep the race or the impression of the race being tight. They will never give him his due.
One thing that really really annoys me--if you all allow a mini rant--is how little recognition Obama gets for winning this. Obama is not lucky, he works hard, sees the big picture, plans ahead and is an very talented incredible politician. No one should say that McCain simply lost because of the economy. He lost because Obama won.
This is why I get so annoyed at the people who post about how Obama should run his campaign, like they know more than he does?
The problem with socialism is it is not efficient. The problem with capitalism is that it is not fair and often does not serve public interests.
Not that socialism is always fair or that capitalism is always efficient.
BTW neither tends to be sustainable.
Those are the big three macro economic problems we need to balance... Fairness, efficiency, and sustainability
So what? Colin Powell had his change to be great and he blew it. As a former military guy, I know that Powell was the type we combat officers despised - a careerist who spent all of his time in Washington, not out in the field leading the troops.
Thanks for letting me vent a little.
Rich
Excuse me? Did you miss that Powell served on two different occasions in Vietnam?
F**K!
I'm watching Morning Schmoe on a special Hardball episode after the endorsement of Colin Powell this morning. ARRRRRRGH!
MSNBC, please fire this douchbag. How did this guy ever get elected to office much less a commentator on TV?
F**k you Joe. You're a chump!
Joe Scarborough is a douche bag... "If Obama was white and named Larry O'Brien and was associated with Ayers, he'd never have made it out of the primary."
Here's where he's wrong.
When well respected Republicans have given money to this guy's cause, then you can't link Obama to him without simultaneously condemning those well respected Republican philanthropists.
It really irks me that Joe suggests that Obama is somehow treated with kid gloves because he's a black candidate with a Muslim sounding name. I have no respect left for him.
Popular vote % lead slips under 5 points for the first time in a little while, hopefully not for long mind!
lat...
You are so right! The O campaign has been simply brilliant! None to match it in my lifetime.
Powell is a fine man and much respected.
Powell's willingness to serve in a Republican administration and yet bow out when he felt the direction was wrong increases his credibility.
I feel that his endorsement will be much to solidify the candidacy of Obama.
matt, I think you know this, but that wasn't my point (about the highway system).
My point was that we have some massive issues, and we have fine minds, fine admisistors, and fine arms to carry out solutions.
So, put people to work on what on Energy? Well, put those fine minds to work. They, in turn, will put the fine admistrators to work, and so on.
I know you actually get it. I'm just sayin' (wink wink).
matt w--hopefully you don't think the performance part is what makes me a better prof. I mean it is part of it but what makes a difference I think is that I love doing what i do, love teaching, love talking about the things that matter to me.
pero ya no digo mas por que sino nos tomamos el thread.
lat,
I agree and I hope the post election analysis will give team Obama full credit.
Popular vote is not really under 5%. Only a blip.
Let's see if there are any experts or web savvy folks out there. I just read an article that said Dems are voting a lot more early/absentee than Pubs in most states, but in Florida, there have been more than 220,000 more Pub absentee balots than Dems. I'm trying to figure out what the number was for absentee balots in florida in 2004 and can't find it. I did find some articles suggesting that there was a big GOP push for that in 2004, but I can't find the numbers. Anyone out there abel to find it?
"it's either that or NO auto industry. It's that simple. The gov will have to step in in some form. And we might as well have some position as no position."
If the US auto industry can't stay afloat, let them sink.
Japanese companies are thriving and building cars here in the US. If GM can't, then natural selection should kick in.
eric,
the GOP is typically way ahead in absentee ballots in every state. No need to be alarmed
@eric.
link to article please.
zebra450 (way back) lists several things that he thinks have helped Obama and whilst I would not disagree with the list - may I just add one more to that list - Obama is the biggest asset to his campaign. He is simply the better, and the best candidate for POTUS 2008.
You may be right David. But GM going belly up puts many pensions on shaky ground.
Joe Scarborough MIGHT be right that Obama wouldn't have gotten out of the primaries if he was a white guy. But so what if he is. Jesse Jackson didn't get out of the primaries 20 years ago because he was black. FDR wouldn't have gotten out of the primaries in the 60s because of his wheelchair. In the 80s JFK's affairs would have killed his political career. Times make the man. Obama has benefitted maybe from a unique moment in History. But maybe it has thrown up a new leader that can inspire millions more.
Can you compile a chronological list of labels that the McCain Campaign created for Obama?
not sure what the label is, but remember the sex ed ad they tried awhile back?
In a time of crisis, 2001 President Bush set about to protect the company.
In a time of economic crisis, 2008, Barack Obama seeks a time of panic to regulate, socialize the economy with the largest power grab in history.
markymark
you are way more politically astute than Morning Joke. Or maybe more honest. I used to think Joke had some credibility, but no more.
updated polling - look at that 364 spike. Wonder what that is?
Anways i have just heard a robocall via tpm - is that for real - who on earth would get fooled by that?
then again am watching independence day, we heard that you americans cheered at the big today we celebrate our independence bit.
David is sort of right, but sort of wrong.
The problem is giant corporations almost begin to resemble command and control economies and do not efficiently respond to market changes. In the auto industry there is a fine line between the benefits of economies of scale and the drawbacks of ineffiecnt management. The big three are struggling with this. I hope they are able to survive.
I would add that the only repub who is honest is Gergen. He still has much cred and it only increases with time.
"You may be right David. But GM going belly up puts many pensions on shaky ground."
You are right and that is a big mess. However, propping up sinking ships is not the answer.
Guaranteeing those pensions and letting GM die is much cheaper and more pro-capitalism.
why is Biden campaigning in Tacoma, WA
lat....
When Obama wins, it will not be because of him or his message, it will be because of the fact that it is a "change" election and that people want anyone BUT a republican in the office.
Oh well, good thing he's not running to stroke his own ego.
I have to say that the viciousness coming out of the right in regards to the Powell endorsement is astounding. I do not know why I am even surprised.
For PeteKent: My Problems with Gov. Palin:
1. Uneducated
This is not to say she is stupid, which I honestly don't think she is. I think she's lacked intellectual drive to learn the minimum of what is truly necessary to be a President should the worst happen.
2. Faux Reformer
She runs on clean government and then pulls all of this crap with abuse of power, hiding government communications with a Yahoo account, and spending taxpayer money on non-government business.
3. Lack of Empathy
The inexcusable callousness in which she deals with the needy (e.g. charging for rape kits), animals (e.g. hunting by plane), and children (using her kids and their misfortune as campaign props).
4. Mean-spiritedness
While I think McCain has issues with his red-meat taunting this campaign, Gov. Palin has really taken it to a possibly toxic level.
5. Political Views
While I think the Republican base is mostly with her on this, I (and I think the vast majority) are not.
She is ill suited to be a candidate for a major party; even a Republican party at its lowest point.
real joe to help the governor in a close election.
Real Joe -- I think part of it is the tight governor's race. Maybe he was trying to give a bump to the democratic governor there.
Tacoma is in red area. Can you say congressional Change We Can Believe In?
Real Joe,
See down ballot races particularly Gov.
Dave London,
I think 364 is the most likely scenario. I agree with intrade as to how it happens
real joe,
Here is a great thing about the Democratic ticket this year. Obama has been in NC today (close Senate race), Biden in Wa (close Gubernatorial), One of them was in Kentucky the other day (closish Senate race) gotta love a ticket that has time to do some down ticket campaigning.
You betcha!
i disagree peixegato. this is not a default thing. Obama has played the situation to his advantage. I don't think just anyone could have run.
the Dem Gov. is in a close race in a blue state
wow
"why is Biden campaigning in Tacoma, WA"
Probably to help down ticket races, such as the governors race, and for fund raising.
He should come to eastern Washington to turn this area more blue. Obama has WA locked up, but even raising the margin of victory in solid blue states will help overall. After all, it is hard for the republicans to steal an election when the dem gets 52+%.
He should also come over here to help destroy our version of Bush in a dress: McMorris. In 2006 a strong dem ran against her, but he isn't running this year, which is sad since the local dem guy sucks. This is the year you don't want to be called a republican and a strong candidate + help from Obama would have added another dem to the congressional membership rolls.
real joe,
look at the last gov race there! closest race ever!
Sorry progressive sisters and brothers (and trolls, too). Gotta go. Later. Lots of love and keep the faith.
Is there a schedule anywhere that lists when the different polling orgs release their polls? Would be great if we could see that.
The weekends can feel like an eternity for us poll addicts (he says, rocking back and forth in a cold sweat, tapping his arm, waiting for his next hit of polls)
"the Dem Gov. is in a close race in a blue state
wow"
It isn't really all that blue.
Outside of King County(and maybe Whatcom County-Bellingham) Washington is not that blue. In fact, cross the cascades and it is downright red.
Just watching MSNBC. Pat Buchanan stated that Colin Powell endorsed Obama because of race and lectured him about "leaving" the Party that did so much for him. There's going to be a lot more of this crap coming!
Here's the Zakaria endorsement:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/19/fzgps.01.html
ZAKARIA: OK. We're in the home stretch, two weeks and two days away from the presidential election.
Now, many of you have e-mailed and asked me whom I will vote for. Since I tell you what I think about most things, I figured I shouldn't dodge this one. So, let me tell you whom I will vote for and why.
I think we have two good candidates. Both are serious people with an obvious commitment to the United States. Both are knowledgeable and substantive. Both talk about reaching across party lines to solve the country's problems.
But I think one is distinctly better for our times.
As I've watched John McCain discuss the current economic crisis, I couldn't help but think that he was really out of his element. His response to questions about the crisis and the rescue package tended to all be about cutting taxes, keeping government small, ending earmark spending.
This is a recitation of 30-year-old Republican orthodoxy and feels irrelevant to the problems we face today.
To get a sense of how divorced from reality McCain is on economics, consider this. He is still promising to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term, while offering large new tax cuts. In reality, the deficit is likely to be $1 trillion. Balancing it would require not good government policies, but magic.
On foreign policy, McCain is a relentless warrior. He wants to fight in Iraq, openly threatens to bomb Iran, is skeptical of the Bush administration's diplomacy with North Korea. He wants to kick Russia out of the G-8, humiliate China by keeping it also out of that body. He sees a world in which a league of democracies will tussle with an alliance of autocracies.
It's a Cold War strategy for a post-Cold War world.
By contrast, Barack Obama has been calm, sensible and intelligent on both economics and foreign policy. His proposals to respond to the financial crisis have been careful, measured and attuned to the moment we're in. Some of them have been adopted by the Bush administration already.
He wants limited tax cuts for the middle class, but also major new investments in infrastructure and alternate energy.
On foreign policy, he argues for greater international cooperation and the aggressive use of diplomacy. He sees a world in which America doesn't have to fight with everyone, and should instead work with other countries to solve the common problems we all face.
I repeat, these are two good men, but with two very different views of the world.
John McCain represents the best of America's past, and Barack Obama the hope of the future -- the hope of a country that can make big changes and live out one of its greatest promises, of equal opportunities for all Americans, of every caste, creed and color.
And America has always been a country that looks forward. So, I will be voting for Barack Obama on election day this year.
Colin Powell did far more for the Repub party than it did for him. Remember, it was the Repub party that booed Colin Powell in his speech at their 1996 convention just because he mentioned his support for affirmitive action and a woman's right to decide what happens to her body.
Powell doesn't OWE anyone anything. That's what the Repubs are all about: keeping people in debt to them.
"eff" Pat Buchannan!
For those who keep asking why Obama/Biden are in XXX state, here's an interesting quote from the AP:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFwdbq0tsqatW6vJpkDRTI1gMgD93TOIF80
He [Obama] and his aides appear so confident of his prospects that apart from a brief stop in Madison, Wis., next Thursday, Obama currently has no plans during the next 10 days to return to Pennsylvania, Minnesota, New Hampshire or any other state that voted for John Kerry in 2004.
Instead, he intends to spend two days this week in Florida, where early voting begins on Monday, and travel to Virginia, Iowa, Ohio, Colorado, New Mexico and possibly Nevada and Indiana. Those states hold 97 electoral votes combined, and Bush all in 2004.
Obama also may stop in West Virginia, where his campaign recently bought statewide television advertising in a late attempt to put the state's five electoral votes into serious contention.
Biden trips to Washington, etc, are surely to help down ticket races, certainly not anything to fret about!
Here is something that I genuinely believe right now. If Hillary Clinton were the Democratic nominee then right now this thing would at least be a lot closer, and it might even be that McCain would be winning.
Why? I think the 'change' argument would have been much harder for Clinton to make. Essentially this election was about being the least like George W Bush, and I think that given a choice of Hillary of John McCain, certainly many independents may have come to the conclusion that Hillary was the candidate of the status quo. I think nominating Hillary would have tied the Democrats into another 50%+1 type campaign. The economy might still have come to Hillary's aid still, but would she have so dominated that couple of weeks? And by now the polling effect of that might have worn off.
Also I doubt a Hillary campaign would have had the same discipline that the Obama campaign has had. They haven't done a lot startling but they have done absolutely nothing wrong.
Chrish,
What is up with IA! what are both camps seeing there that nobody else sees?
Markymark,
I agree, but the economy was a lot better under Bill.
IA is where Obama became a "credible" candidate. He holds the people of that state close to his heart. They made it possible for him to be where he is today. If he had lost in Iowa, even by a small amount, it would've been over for him. HRC would've steam rolled the crowd and would've been the nominee by the end of January.
Also, he has the "luxury" of doing those kind of campaign stops.
I used to hold Gen. Powell in about as high regard as I could hold any public figure/politician. That all went away with the Iraq War when he was the only one among that gang of thieves and liars who had the national stature to stand up and call the War the misadventure that it was. Instead, we got his disgraceful presentation to the UN Security Council (and the World), justifying the insanity. I believe that there is a special place in hell reserved for people like Powell.
I can't even credit him with the high motives and decency ascribed to him by many on this board and elsewhere. Instead, I see his endorsement as a cynical effort to curry favor with those who will begin writing the "real" history of the Iraq War, when they take over the State Department and DOD on January 20th.
I'll take a pass on this lovefest.
dailykos (that hotbed of not-always-so-radical-commentary) is reporting that some of the voting machines in WV are instantly converting dem votes into repub votes, right before the voter's eyes
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/19/132343/11/189/635454
and that in NC in some areas, if you select the straight democratic ticket, the vote for Obama is not being recorded
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/19/151113/84/78/635565
anyone know anything more about these?
They're rerunning MTP on MSNBC right now. I want to hear exactly what Powell said about campaigning for Obama. As I stated much earlier in this thread, I don't remember him ruling it out completely, more just a "I don't see that happening. There's not much time left"
I want a Selzer Poll!!!!
sorry again about the off the topic post ... although the NC situation is not new, the ballots have been that way for years, but the concern is that voters will miss it
MarkyMark,
Don't forget that if Hillary was the nominee, we wouldn't have Palin helping out the democratic party.
Today's polls is posted!
instead of being 1st I came back to tell you guys!
matt w,
Only a moron would argue with what you say. Most things WERE better under Clinton. And I am not anti Hillary per se. I just think that Obama has been a better standard bearer this time out than Hillary would have been. Hillary will be a fabulous leader in the Senate, a real lionness of the Senate, hopefully for the next decade at least, and that in itself is a pretty good runners up prize.
I find the endorsement of Colin Powell to be both inspiring and appropriate. He and the men (Obama and Biden) that he endorses have demonstrated the ability to overcome adversity and to inspire others to give their best. I appreciate General Powell's courage in supporting the people he feels will best lead our country.
I used to hold Gen. Powell in about as high regard as I could hold any public figure/politician. That all went away with the Iraq War when he was the only one among that gang of thieves and liars who had the national stature to stand up and call the War the misadventure that it was.
You forgot that at that point Colin Powell was trying to believe in the reasons going to war. If you remember, with Papa Bush he went into Iraq WHEN WE SHOULD HAVE, and it was HIS IDEA to get out after mission was accomplished. This is the REAL reason he feels so let down by the Party he thought he trusted.
Hang on, nates model is, rather than expecting a tightening as previoulsy suggested, and reflecting a slow move towards JM.
Now suggesting a widening of the race from current postion?
What am I missing?
Gregoire really needs the help and Tacoma is the perfect place for him to be.
I wonder if they are going to send him to other close Senate/Governor states. The thing is that in most close Sen/Gov race, Obama isn't all that popular in the state. The only other legitimate close race in a blue state is Oregon Senate. There are some in purple states (Minn, NC, NH)
Also, I think Obama owes Gregoire a favor from the primaries.
david
so true, and maybe we would have had Bobby Jindal as a conquering hero haven't dealt with Hurricane Gustav instead.
I meant having dealt with Gustav BTW
Matt,
Just because things were better under Bill, that doesn't really translate to Hillary.
That sounds like her ridiculous argument that she had experience because of her husbands position. Is that experience through osmosis?
Besides, she bungled her campaign badly. The way Obama is handling the campaign is one reason so many are behind him. His organizational skills are beyond impressive.
"This is, no doubt, the best run campaign of my adult life. Totally planned AM. They release their astounding September haul numbers (did they thank McCain for his VP pick?) just so they could have the story stepped on by Powell's uncategorical endorsement a few hours later.
Brilliant!"
Heya.
Two things...
1. What makes you assume that they got to choose when Powell endorsed?
2. And even if they did, did you ever stop to think that they WANTED to step on the fundraising news? They waited until a weekend to release that on purpose. Revealing that much money can have a negative impact on future fundraising, for one thing.
If you were being sincere, disregard. If you were mocking... think first.
LAT said...
I have to say that the viciousness coming out of the right in regards to the Powell endorsement is astounding. I do not know why I am even surprised.
Well you had petekent's warning on it when he said "The right wing wackos could not care less"
Ne was, as usual, on the money
Sean, you are stupid, like Palin. Hoosier? You idiot, it is Jayhawk in Kansas. And the guy that called Kansas yet another boring red state that makes him sick. Typical liberal hate.
This entire website is filled with ignorant, stupid people that actually think they are the ones that are smart and know what is best for me.
"So what? Colin Powell had his change to be great and he blew it. As a former military guy, I know that Powell was the type we combat officers despised - a careerist who spent all of his time in Washington, not out in the field leading the troops."
I guess the fact that he was wounded in action in Vietnam while leading a patrol doesn't count.
chrish60 said...
For those who keep asking why Obama/Biden are in XXX state, here's an interesting quote from the AP:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFwdbq0tsqatW6vJpkDRTI1gMgD93TOIF80
He [Obama] and his aides appear so confident of his prospects that apart from a brief stop in Madison, Wis., next Thursday, Obama currently has no plans during the next 10 days to return to Pennsylvania, Minnesota, New Hampshire or any other state that voted for John Kerry in 2004.
Instead, he intends to spend two days this week in Florida, where early voting begins on Monday, and travel to Virginia, Iowa, Ohio, Colorado, New Mexico and possibly Nevada and Indiana. Those states hold 97 electoral votes combined, and Bush all in 2004.
Obama also may stop in West Virginia, where his campaign recently bought statewide television advertising in a late attempt to put the state's five electoral votes into serious contention.
Biden trips to Washington, etc, are surely to help down ticket races, certainly not anything to fret about!
wow
BeanoCook said...
Sean, you are stupid, like Palin. Hoosier? You idiot, it is Jayhawk in Kansas. And the guy that called Kansas yet another boring red state that makes him sick. Typical liberal hate.
This entire website is filled with ignorant, stupid people that actually think they are the ones that are smart and know what is best for me.
The people you seem to support have shown that they do not know what is best for you.
Here they are willing to discuss different solutions. If you are willing to be constructive and tone down the insults, you are welcome to join the discussion.
I couldn't care less about Colin Powell's endorsement. That man means less than nothing to me. As far as I'm concerned, he is persona non grata, having lost all credibility after his inexcusable performance at the UN in 2003.
I agree. I don't think they wanted to make a big deal out of the fundraising number. It just makes the Obama people complacent and McCain seem like the underdog (Americans love underdogs). It also highlights the public financing flipflop and the fact that in a lot of ways this is an unfair fight.
Don't get me wrong. I'm excited about the fundraising. Its great to have $150m, but I don't think its a great headline to have.
I think they stepped on the story on purpose.
I saw Barack Obama in Kansas City yesterday-I was on the 4th standing row, about 10 feet form him. The number of people there were 75,000. I am tired, and I don't thinkit has sunk in yet, what I experienced yesterday.
Powell's outrage about McCain's dirty tactics is probably much deeper than he lets on.
As a black person he must have understood full well that when McCain said in the debate that ACORN and the Dems were preparing the biggest voter fraud in history and were threatening the fabric of democracy he really said this:
Kill the guy, he stole the election, and killing the tyrant is the patriotic thing to do.
As you may have read, the violence and death threats against ACORN have already begun just after the debate.
@jen, well, then, you are of small mind. If you can right off a true hero for a mistake he has tried to rectify, then you are just not going to be convinced, no matter what the guy does. Note, though, that you are in the 20 percent minority who does not think highly of a guy who has the brass ones to man up to his own errors. While it may be true that your livlihood doesn't directly effect the loss of lives in this world, sadly, for all of us, the Secretary of State in the US doesn't have your luxury of ill will. Bless you and your high horse. Ride it in good health!
@BeanoCo(ok), no, by all means join the discussion. What is best for you? What are your particular issues? What the heck is wrong in this country that you can't come here and say (reasonably) what you need to say? This site doesn't implicitly or explicity reject you or your views. Please join in the discussion - it's fun, it's multi-faceted, it's educational.
I've also been one to have become extremely disappointed in Gen. Powell for his role in the Iraq fiasco.
With that said, I think that his remarks today were astonishingly beautiful and eloquent. It reminded me why I had so much admiration for him in the past.
GENERAL COLIN POWEL - THANK YOU!!!!!!
Thank you General Colin Powel for your GREAT
service to our country and for your support of
our candidate/nominee whom we believe will be
a GREAT president.
When I first heard of the endorsement - my feelings were - W O W !!!! And I felt even prouder to be a part of this GREAT campaign.
The words Gen. Powel used were so EXTREMELY
moving, powerfull, emotional, and gave me such
a STRONG feeling that Barack is now looked upon
by such an extrodinary figure as Gen. Powel that
that any doubts about Barack have now totally
been eliminated.
YES HE CAN, YES WE CAN, YES HE WILL, YES WE WILL!!
Powell's endorsement was as much an indictment of the GOP than it was an unequivocal show of support for Barack.
And he's the first public figure to put us on full-blast for our nation's hate of Muslims.
I put my thoughts about it all here.
Maybe it's just my personal impression, but the Powell endorsement has seemed to have done a lot to calm the media echobox about the ACORN "scandal".
What is up with IA! what are both camps seeing there that nobody else sees?
Iowa is the font of eternal political life, and all good politicians must come here periodically to renew.
Will the media point out the contradiction of Obama, who bashed Clinton for "voting" for the war but then negotiates an endorsement from Powell, who sold the war? Also, any gay person over 30 should remember Powell being one of the chief architect's of the defeat of Clinton's effort to end the ban on gays and lesbians in the military. Powell and Sam Nunn said "no way, no how, no hom_s. I am actually saddened by the lack of attention to Obama's contradictions.
@Aunt Karen, I like how you slammed me for voicing my opinion and in the same breath responded to Beano: "What the heck is wrong in this country that you can't come here and say (reasonably) what you need to say?" Rather hypocritical, don't you think?
Oh yeah, Powell's a real war hero. Ever heard of My Lai?
Is Powell still a credible figure in American politics?
In his endorsement, he again gave the lame excuse for backing the Bush attack and making his UN speech saying that he was fooled by the intelligence.
Of course, Democratic and Republican people in Congress, the Administration and media all gave that very poor excuse as cover.
But we must remember the millions of people who marched in America against the obviously impending attack Bush was determined to make on Iraq, despite evidence or no evidence. We marchers all saw how bogus the Bush rationale was. It was contrived, cherry picked "evidence" we did not buy.
We were all smarter than the heavy hitters in Congress and government and the media? No, we just did not feel the need to jump onto the Establishment bandwagon to protect our newspaper, Congressional seat, or media job. We were free to speak the truth as it plainly was.
The anti-Iraq marchers - the most forgotten group in American history.
So excuse me if I pass on excitment about Powell and what he says.
BillG
good night guys
Entourage @ 10
Ahhh sweet irony or injustice... The guy I want to be president endorsed the only reasonable choice for president. I would say it is a dark day in America, but that could be misinterpreted.
In the words of Jenny, "RUN Colin, run!"
Bobby McGill
http:/www.idlewordship.com
William P:
While I think I may agree with you, I also think there's something significant about this move of Powell's. He's repudiating the Bush Administration. He's repudiating the republican party. He's reaching across the aisle.
Anybody who marched against the war, as I did many times, already feels anger at Colin Powell for this charade in front of Guernica. People who do not feel this way are not the same people who marched with us. They are the people who might be on the fence: the independents who are concerned about foreign policy, who do not see the insanity in Bush's mindless foreign policy, who erroneously believe that wars can be fought against emotions, who may even think that there is a way to "win" such a nonsensical war. These are the people who need to come out loud and strong for Obama. These are the people we need in two weeks. These are the people Colin Powell has spoken to.
There will be time for gnashing of teeth in two or more weeks. Right now we fight incrementally. First to oust the king, and later to continue fighting for what's right.
Nate, I've got to disagree with you here. This a.m. I got a call from a hunter in Ohio. She and her son were convinced by Powell's endorsement to vote for O. They had been worried about gun control, but their respect for Powell sealed the Dem deal. FWIW.
I'm hoping to see a swing back in Obama's favor in the tracking polls. I want DOUBLE DIGIT leads golly darn it.
I did door to door for Obama today in Virginia. First time I've done that.
I'M NOT ANYONE!
The following are words to a song performed by
Sammy Davis Jr. any years ago. I just thought
the words were beautifull and represents all
the things for which Barack has been fighting for
all of his life:
I'm not anyone, no not just anyone, I have the right to lead a life fulfilled with every need.
I'm not any man designed to fit someone's plan,
I have my own desires: all the things a man aspires.
No, I will not be used, misled, deceived or abused
No sir, not me;
I am free...
And I'll not give away The freedom I have is to say - To say I do, I don't, I will or I won't
Know thyself - these words are true
Know thyself - I hope I do
Toil awhile but not in vain,
I remove the child - the man remained,
Life is filled with those who fail
The weak, the wrong, the meek, the frail
Those who refuse to try and those who don't live and they die.
I'm not one of those,I'm full of pride I suppose
I'll say it loud: I am proud And I'll not, I'll not be a space And no one a number, a face -
No sir, not me, Can't you see, I am free.
And I'll lay my life on the line.
No I'll not be used - Misled, deceived, or abused;
No sir, not me - not me; Because yes, I'm free.
POWERFULL WORDS of HOPE and STRENGHTH !!!
YES HE CAN, YES HE WILL, YES WE ALL WILL !!!!
Those who don't want General Powell's endorsement should think about this. The Republicans are the ones excluding people. Let's not say the same about the Obama campaign. We need to be open and welcoming to all who support our cause. Because someone disagrees on a couple of things but agrees with the goal should not mean we put them down. The people who support Senator Obama are of all races, all religions, all kinds on inner thoughts and of all parties. As we accept these peoples endorsements and votes, we can help each other understand and grow together. This is what can make the United States a stronger and more fair nation. This will also help the McCain/Palin ticket to implode.
Want to send John McCain a vote of "No Confidence"?
If so, go here and sign this petition:
http://www.McCainPetition.com
Gregg
The Powell endorsement will immediately undercut McCain's new lines of attack that Obama associates with terrorists and that he is a socialist. Whatever Powell did at the UN for Bush, all who know him know he wouldn't endorse a man he seriously thought associated with terrorists of any kind. It also undercuts McCain's first and last remaining alleged "advantage," that he is preferable on national security matters. It's a major win for Obama and should help negate the couple points McCain picked up after the last debate.
Powell's endorsement of Obama does not verify Obama's judgement, but rather brings Powell's judgement into question. Powell says that Obama is ready to lead ... WHY? ... Regardless of Powell's last minute endorsement, Obama is still the most liberal senator in congress ... who accomplished nothing in his meager 3 years in office, except voting present 160 times, and campaigning for President, as well as associating with anti-American racists and domestic terrorists ... and, taking America down the road to socialism. Obama betrayed a friendship of 20 years, for personal ambition. Powell betrayed his friendship with McCain. McCain did not betray his fellow prisoners, even during 5 years of torture. These facts speak volumes about who these men really are, and whether or not we can trust them.
Currently, I believe that Senator McCain’s association with and support of the Bush administration, let’s not forget that John McCain strongly endorsing President Bush in 2004, and has greatly similar voting records. McCain is a conservative, and while he may endorse “reform,” he certainly does not believe in the kind of governmental overhaul as Obama. The most interesting thing to me about the Powell endorsement is that he said that both presidential candidates would make “good presidents,” but that Obama as a “transformative figure.”
Powell reinforcing the idea that government currently requires this transformative figure is yet another example of conservative intellectual figures asking for this kind of change, and this sentiment seems groundbreaking. To hear both candidates loudly advocating for reform is astounding compared to the winning “stay the course” and “flip flopper” strategy of the Bush/Cheney campaign. When push comes to shove, the American people are calling for a new direction in nearly all assets of government. The most obvious choice for change will be the liberal candidate. And thus, Obama has made this a key issue of his campaign, Powell’s endorsement of Obama not only shows the necessity for that change, but also the kind of change that will result. While I disagree personally with many of Powell’s specific beliefs, I think that his objection to the Bush administration’s policies that’s implications were not properly explored, and the statements that were dishonest are admirable and important.
Change of fundamentals in the executive office, as well as the entire government seems to be an issue that all Americans deem highly important.
As stated earlier, I think Powell’s support does highlight the lack of rationality, intelligence and inclusion of the GOP but it also hits on a couple specific issues, such as the failures of foreign policy, economic policy, cultural insensitivity, and divisive tendencies. Clearly Americans will never agree on each issue, and I’ve seen that while canvassing for Obama. People on the street praised him for a variety of different reasons, and expressed a variety of political ideologies. This Powell endorsement hopefully will be used by the Obama campaign as an example of the Democratic Party representing difference of opinion coming together to create a better and more uniting government, as well as governmental policies.
Oh and, has anyone else been paying attention to Powell’s “maveriking?” As far as I’m concerned he’s seemed to have taken much more abuse from his party, and is stepping across party lines more then I’ve seen in Senator McCain (especially in the last four years) and certainly Sarah Palin.
Is it about race?
Only one person knows for sure…and that’s Powell.
Powell claims that he’s not happy with the “rightward shift” of the Republican party.
Any merit in his accusation???
Listen to Republican Senator Michelle Bachmann
Click to watch Senator Michelle Bachmann’s interview
So...what do you think??. Is Powell just imagining things?
Colin Powell who testified as a character witness for Ted Stevens?? who sold the war on faulty intelligence?? who tried to cover up My Lai? He's doing motivational speaking at an event with Rudy 9-11 Guilliani, Zig Zigler and Schuller for $19.95.
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