I doubt that I get as many e-mails on any single subject as I do on the Bradley Effect. In a feature for Newsweek, I take one last more look at the phenomenon:There is little doubt Obama is losing some votes due to his race; a recent Associated Press survey suggested that as many as 6 percent of the electorate may be voting against Obama because he is black. But that's not what the Bradley effect is about. As long as those prejudiced voters are telling pollsters that they're going to vote for McCain, their sentiments will be reflected accurately in the polling. The Bradley effect emerges when voters tell pollsters one thing and then do another at the ballot booth.
My conclusion?
So the question is why, if a voter does not intend to vote for Obama, would he or she feel compelled to lie about it? There are perfectly legitimate reasons not to vote for Obama; a voter who wanted to vote against him because of his race would have little trouble rationalizing his vote. If a voter felt compelled to lie to a pollster, he might tell them that he was voting against Obama because of his inexperience or his liberal politics—when, in fact, he was voting against him because of his race. But the pollster would still tally the vote correctly in the McCain column. By contrast, in cases where the Bradley effect existed, including Bradley's race itself, the black candidate was as much or more experienced than the white opponent. So voters found it harder to excuse their racism and may have misstated their voting intention to pollsters as a result.With so many "X factors" like race, cell phones and turnout, there is probably an extra margin of error this year. And polls aren't terrifically accurate to begin with. But there is no reason to conclude that the polls are systematically overestimating Obama's support; the reverse is at least as likely to be true. McCain, in all likelihood, will need to win this election fair and square—which means that he has his work cut out for him.
10.22.2008
The Bradley Effect, Revisited
by Nate Silver @ 9:45 AM...see also bradley effect, race
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ADEAL918 said...
First of all, the Bradley Effect may exist now, but it means something different than it did 20 years ago. Then it actually was a function primarily of racism. Now, frankly, it could cause an even greater reduction in Obama's support because of the politically correct environment we live in today. What I mean is, that the Bradley Effect now doesn't reflect actual racism, but rather FEAR OF BEING LABELED RACIST on the part of many who aren't racist. There may be a good number who are voting for McCain for any of many good reasons to vote for him, but don't feel like defending their choice against charges of racism, so they just say they're voting for Obama to avoid the hassle.
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Words fail me.
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Ah! That's it:
E P I C F A I L
Seriously, have you read even one fucking thing about the Bradley Effect?
I mean ... wow.
I mostly buy Nate's analysis, but I think at the edges it may be wrong. As I see it there is probably a Bradley effect and a reverse Bradley effect. Largely these now cancel each other out. However, while at the presidential level we have only evidence in the democratic primaries, which may not be representative of the population as a whole.
The point that concerns me is that we don't have enough historical evidence to demonstrate with say more than 90% certainty that we won't see a substantial Bradley effect this November. Nate has convinced me the probability of this is much lower than 50%. But, Nate's model implies there is less than a 1 in 10 chance of McCain winning. However if we believe there is even a 1 in 10 chance of a significant Bradley effect, we might also conclude there was a larger than 1 in 10 chance of McCain winning.
Hatch has got some nerve saying that this is not some high school election with the Repubs nominating Palin.
Kathleen Parker's hate mail must have slowed down because she's done it again, speaking out about the Reverse Bradley Effect we've talked about so much here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102328.html?sub=AR&sid=ST2008102200187&s_pos=
Mark, please read my previous posting on the reverse-reverse-reverse Bradley Affect (tm) in which reverse psychology takes hold on ones self and negates everything.
You heard it here first folks.
New Obama ad on education airing here in OH. Should be a HUGE hit with the soccer moms. Pay teachers more, but parents have to turn off the TV and encourage learning.
newsfromoh. If you remember the little line thingy from the debates on CNN when Obama started talking about this, both men and women went off the charts. I'd bet they took some of those reactions into account with internal focus groups also after seeing the great reaction from people.
I came up with a few admirable (but mistaken) reasons to vote McCain and tried to dispel them. Copy & paste, or criticize, at will.
new post
Orrin...... please be quiet you are hurting my ears.
indianaobamaniac,
Per Nate, RCP's unreliability doesn't come from any particular poll, but from their tendency to leave out polls that are favorable to Obama, and to allow old McCain-favorable polls to stay in the average longer. They don't seem to have a consistent system, so a pro-McCain bias slips in, possibly unconsciously.
Gallup -2
2000 +2 what else is out there today?
The clothing thing is a distraction they do not need, but in the end, it will not have much of a change on her already low numbers.
This is exactly why the clothing thing is so good for Democrats. If it dominates media coverage for a few days, it will help kill off the clock. McCain is way down and needs as much time as possible to mount a comeback. The less time he can control the media narrative, the less chance he can change the course of the campaign.
newsfOH, thanks for quoting the laws on this.
Here is the recent AP/GFK poll offers some contradiction.....
AP presidential poll: All even in the homestretch.
The poll, which found Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent, supports what some Republicans and Democrats
from The Associated PressThe AP-GfK survey included interviews with a large sample of adults including 800 deemed likely to vote. Among all 1,101 adults interviewed, the survey showed Obama ahead 47 percent to 37 percent. He was up by five points among registered voters.
One downside to early voting weeks before an election is it increases the odds that piles of ballots will be "mislayed" or "lost" ot "taken home accidentally" by poll workers.
In Gallup, Obama dropped by 2 points across the board today and Obama dropped 2 points in IBD/TIPP too. Strangely, Obama soared in Zogby.
I should emphasise - I don't see any "Cold Feet Effect" as new, but as PART OF any Bradley Effect. Rather than millions of people lying, I think it's a more likely cause.
oh, and I also don't think the Bradley Effect would be nearly enough to save McCain now. There are two things that could do so IMO
1)Huge, game changing moment
2)Stolen election, vote rigging, fraud etc.
Obama's margin is now large enough to cover any Bradley Effect as it won't be larger than (guessing here) 5% at the absolutely outside, and more likely to top out well under that (or be reserve).
@chopperjc,mrinsight22
Gallup -2? We're reading different polls then. Here's what I see.
Registered voters: unchanged
Expanded likely voters: M -1
Traditonal likely voters: M -1, O +1
Funny how mrinsight22 rarely offers any insight.
Indiana needs to turn white on this map soon. We've got a lot of white bread states polling well for Obama, I don't think PPP is such an outlier any more.
Most of you are too young to remember the Kennedy-Nixon election of 1960. Kennedy was labeled a papist and if elected the Vatican would control the USA. It didn't work because the electorate saw who Kennedy was during the presidential debate. They also saw who NIxon was and went for Kennedy. Too bad they didn't remember who Nixon was later on in our recent history. Yes it is sadly true that there are racists in our country who will never vote for a African-American candidate and there are those I call racists in hiding who will use any excuse other than racism not to vote for a black candidate. However, this year the vast majority of voters will not be voting white or black. They will be voting green i.e. their pocketbooks or lack thereof. People remember comments such as "I don't know much about the economy" or "Homeowner's who bought homes they couldn't afford should have their homes foreclosed". People also understand that calling Obama a socialist when he talks about national health insurance or middle class tax breaks is the height of deceit. A 700 billion dollar bailout for the private financial sector and the government buying banks is a form of corporate socialism. Calling Obama a socialist is not going to work. Most of voting America is POed and they want real change
Thanks "Voice of the Midwest" for the recipe, and I have passed it to several of our group here to make for our Election night party here in Santiago, Chile, where we continue to gather ballots from abroad and send them off via diplomatic pouch from the US embassy back to the US. There are an estimated 6-7 million non-military expats in the world, and the voting percentage in 2004 was 10%. These voters lean Democratic, 70% to 30%, and Obama has field reps to try and get as many expat votes as possible. If you know ANYONE who lives outside the US and is potentially registered to vote, encourage them to go to www.votefromabroad.org as there is still time to vote, even if they do not yet have a ballot. They can still vote by requesting a ballot by mail and then, one or two days later, sending in the Federal Write-in Absentee Ballot. Any questions they have can be answered by the Obama field rep for their particular area of the world....
New ad from an Winning Message Action Fund(abortion rights group) accuses McCain of something that pro-lifers say they wouldn't do: Jail women who seek abortions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OETjrqZZLzg
Winning Message Action Fund
A 501(c)4 nonprofit affiliated with NARAL Pro-Choice New York
Hilary Clinton going to NH next week
Inmates To Cast Ballots In Vt., Maine
What is the deal with this new AP Poll - how is that they can come out with such a number that is different from everyone else? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/ap_on_el_pr/ap_poll_presidential_race;_ylt=Asqh2JnfhU8nvc3r7BTiVu0DW7oF
I suggest a reverse-Bradley effect:
There are people who are telling pollsters that they are voting for the Republican ticket, but in the voting booth actually voting for Obama. Just sayin'
Shiatt said:
"In fact, people forget that in 1982 there was also a gun control initiative on the California ballot that brought every gun nut in the state out in opposition. Likely these were folks who also didn't like talking to pollsters and were underrepresented in samples"
Add to this that there were a reecord number of absentee ballots that year. (I live here in CA and m old enough to remember)
The vast majority of those absentee ballots were for Dukey..(Bradley's opponent). I think Bill Schneider - CNN, has mentioned this a few times but it doesn't have legs... Some suggest that many of them were indeed motivated by the Gun issues. The Polling was actually "accurate" but when the unpooled absentee's were added in, it swung the race. (yes there were THAT many - I'm trying to recall if its the first years that we in CA did the absentee with no precondition.
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